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Speaker 1: along with my buddy Paul Latino, Brian con Fourth at

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Speaker 1: always say the best way to defend Tom Brady is

428
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Speaker 1: to keep Brady off the field, which that you know,

429
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Speaker 1: so you're relying on your offense. I think in light

430
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 1: of what we were just talking about, people who were

431
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Speaker 1: in the lineup, I don't think anybody realistically could have

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Speaker 1: expected the offense to You know, you're right, and that's

433
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: the biggest change here. Not the caller is asking for

434
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 1: more dynamic plays. It's not even about dynamic plays. It's

435
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: about controlling the floor with the game, making it simple.

436
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 1: Two oh one or five one three is the number.

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Speaker 1: Let's go down to Florida. Check in with Stephen. Hello Stephen,

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Speaker 1: you're on with Russ and PAULI very good afternoon, guys.

439
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 1: Hi good, how you doing good? Good? Um? I kind

440
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 1: of wanted to stand on, you know, like you've mentioned

441
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 1: Corey down time, uh poorly before. UM I have you know,

442
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 1: we're a young team. I'd love to draft. The last

443
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 1: two years, we're moving the needle in the right direction.

444
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 1: I'm very excited about a lot of things. One of

445
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 1: the things I'm really concerned about is, you know, and

446
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: I think Pat Shermer is a great guy, but I

447
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 1: don't know if he's the coach to take this team

448
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:07,360
Speaker 1: to the next level. I see, and I'm a novice,

449
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 1: but I've been watching football a long time. I see

450
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 1: you like in game of justus man, like mill, the

451
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 1: the stubbornness on like for example, leaving a Grant alien

452
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: there and not playing Julian Love and or Corey Balentine

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Speaker 1: at all through six games at this point to me,

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Speaker 1: is well, Julian Love, hold on, hold on, I gotta

455
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Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta stop you here, because I'm all

456
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: for opinions, and you can be as different as you want.

457
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: With an opinion, I can always agree to disagree. But

458
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: facts or facts, Grant Haley played a terrific slot corner

459
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: the second half of last season. He is much more

460
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 1: experienced and much more adept at playing slot corner than

461
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: Julian Love or Corey Valentine. Valentine is much more suited

462
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Speaker 1: to the border, so is Julian Love, who to he

463
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: perfectly frank with you, the Giants believe is better suited

464
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 1: as a free safety than playing one of the corner spots.

465
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: So you have to understand those facts before you try

466
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Speaker 1: to take a shot at anybody. In this case, your

467
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: shot would be off the mark because the facts indicate

468
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: that really Haley is the best option. Well and and

469
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: the Sherman thing is a misguide on that note, but

470
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Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying, pull. But if you look

471
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Speaker 1: at Grant Haley, well, Grant Haley is a short tackler,

472
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 1: but he is getting third hugely on I mean this

473
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,479
Speaker 1: coverage skills this year have been horrible, and I like

474
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: the kid. He's a short tackler, but at this point,

475
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 1: I had you not at least put off and or

476
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 1: bound time and try them. And also Antoinea Fay, as

477
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: good a player as he is, he's lost the step.

478
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: I mean, he's not killing them, but you could see well, Steve,

479
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 1: and I don't think Steve, thank you for the call, buddy,

480
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: I I don't think anybody would would dispute that. But

481
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: you're also basing it. Listen, Uh, I'm not you know,

482
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: an assistant coach. Okay, Uh, I will say this though,

483
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 1: you're basing your opinion on Uh you're talking about love

484
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 1: or Valentine and listen, we talked to those guys, like

485
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 1: those guys, but um, you know, for whatever maybe the

486
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: coach you're you're basing it your opinion. It sounds to

487
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: me on what you wish for, but you're not basing

488
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: it on what you're seeing. I mean, yeah, you're based

489
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,719
Speaker 1: on what you're seeing from Grant Haley, and you're entitled

490
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 1: to your opinion. Paul just gave you his opinion, but

491
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: you're also basing it on your opinion of well, you're

492
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: not seeing from Valentine and Halley. Uh, excuse me, Valentine

493
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Speaker 1: and Love. For whatever reason, the coaches is in something

494
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: that in practice and what that they're not liking enough

495
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 1: to make it change. Well, it's not about necessarily how

496
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: well or how how poorly you think the guy is

497
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: performing in that spot. It's also what all the alternatives.

498
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: Valentine is a Division two player US who has made

499
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: this huge jump to the National Football League. He had

500
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: trouble enough because he got here late after what had

501
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: happened with the tragic shooting. He's a boundary corner. He

502
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: has not played slot for them. That's not what he's

503
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: adept of doing. You can't all of a sudden throwing

504
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: me into a game now and say okay, now play slot.

505
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: They brought him along slowly because they had to. It

506
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: was enough to get him up to potentially getting in

507
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,719
Speaker 1: an NFL regular season game as a boundary corner. And

508
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: now to just say we're gonna throw you in the

509
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: slot that you'd be putting them at the thirty feet

510
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: of water and he drown. That would be a horrible

511
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: mistake for Corey Valentine, and and and it, and it's

512
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: sure fire away not to get things done. So that

513
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: option is off the table. The other option of Julian

514
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: Love Love proved to the Giants during the course of

515
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: the preseason that he was much more dept at playing

516
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: free safety that he was slot because what they found

517
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: out during the preseason snaps, not not at practice, but

518
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: more so during the preseason games, was that he did

519
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: not have the first step quickness to necessarily deal with

520
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: the quick slot receivers in the NFL off the line

521
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. So, to be perfectly honest with you, I

522
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: really like Julian Love. I think he's got a terrific

523
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: future in this league. But to put him in at

524
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: the slot, he's gonna have more trouble covering other receivers

525
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: in this league then Grant Haley. Will. Haley's physically more

526
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: gifted to be able to keep up with the quicks. Now,

527
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna tell you Haley's played great during this

528
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: first six game games, because he hasn't. He played better

529
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: the second half of last year. But the options they

530
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: have on the current roster are not better options than

531
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: Grant Haley. And you know, uh, you've heard us say

532
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: this doesn't matter what position, especially with a young player.

533
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: UM you want to um, you don't want to put

534
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: him in there and destroy their confidence off the bat.

535
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: That is always an issue, you know, Uh, Corey is

536
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: not Let's say, what do you say, Valentine Division two?

537
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: Division two players not DeAndre Baker coming from Division one. No,

538
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: it's a difference. And believe me, you see the progress

539
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: in DeAndre. But DeAndre had his problems, you know, the

540
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: first games and all of a sudden, well, you know,

541
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: because that's DeAndre and where he's coming from. Now, if

542
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: the Giants really, really, really believe that Grant Haley is

543
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: being victimized far too much and they just can't tolerate

544
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,959
Speaker 1: it anymore, well then maybe they do take a gamble

545
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: and throw Junior Love out there and say, look, we

546
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: have nothing to lose. Maybe it gets to that point,

547
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: but I don't think it's to that point yet because

548
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: chances are Love isn't going to do any better. I

549
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: would agree to a one five one three is the number.

550
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: Let's go to Delaware and check in with coach Marvin

551
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: on line three. Hello, coach, are on with your buddies

552
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: Russ and Paul. Yeah you're doing Russell and Paul? What's up, buddy?

553
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: I was up the game Thursday night. I was hoping

554
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: to steve one of you, but uh, I didn't get

555
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: to find either one of you. It was windy there,

556
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: Coach Marvin, wasn't it. I was on the field. Oh yeah,

557
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: I figured you were somewhere on the field. I looked

558
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: and I just couldn't find you. Um, it was a

559
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: really cool knighting out there on Thursday. But I went

560
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: into the game not sure how we were going to perform,

561
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: and you guys was right if we just didn't have

562
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: all our guys to play these guys. But I was

563
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: still walked away proud. Uh the way the Giants um

564
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: came into a game where it was a short week. Um,

565
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: they just came out of a hard game on Sunday,

566
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: and I wasn't expecting of the performance that we got.

567
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: I thought it was a good performance. I don't believe

568
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: it was exactly what the score shows. I thought it

569
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: was a you know what, coach I left, I walked

570
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: away from that the game saying the exact same thing

571
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: that very very rarely do I feel that way, you know,

572
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: when they lose, I'm like anybody else, I'm I'm sour,

573
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: I'm you know, upset. I walked away from that game saying,

574
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: you know what, Like I said at the beginning of

575
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: the show, they played their asses off, they played hard,

576
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: they played tough, they played spirited, and as you just said,

577
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: it was coming off a tough game on a short

578
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: week against you know, defending Super Bowl champs. Again. You know,

579
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: you're not happy because you didn't get the W, but

580
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: I thought there was marked improvement. I agree with you. Yeah.

581
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: I just thought the turnovers late in the game heard

582
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,959
Speaker 1: us and kind of kind of turned the game a

583
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: little bit. But I thought the defense played outstanding against

584
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,959
Speaker 1: h against the Patriots in a short week, especially the

585
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: way the Patriots was coming out. They were going eleven personnels.

586
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: I'll see them on second down they go with thirteen,

587
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: come at the twelve personnel. They were switching those, uh,

588
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: those formations so much, and the Giants was right there

589
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: with them. They didn't back down from them. And uh,

590
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: I was really really proud to stand there and wearing

591
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: Giant gear in that citium on Thursday, even though we lost.

592
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: You know, do you say there's no more. It wasn't

593
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: a moral victory. I wasn't looking at it like that.

594
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: I was just looking at them being competitive and the

595
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: competitive and I was proud that they walked in their

596
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: competitive that that that score was not indicative your anything else.

597
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: You guys were talking about the corners. How is Sam Bills?

598
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the guy I was really like to see.

599
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: But I don't know what it's like. I don't know

600
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: if you guys, Yeah, Bill. Bill is healthy. He's been

601
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,479
Speaker 1: working on the side with the trainers now for quite

602
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 1: a while, and coach Shermer said yesterday he will practice

603
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: for the first time with the team tomorrow. Oh that

604
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,280
Speaker 1: good to see. They've got two weeks to be able

605
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: to to bring him back. They get a grace period before,

606
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: you know, he's got to get ready before they can

607
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: activate him. What is that to grace? What? What? What

608
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: was he had a hammy? It wasn't. I'm pretty sure

609
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: it was a hammy. It's so long ago since he's

610
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: been out that I almost forget the first one. The thing.

611
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: The thing about it is, though Coach Marvin, to be honest,

612
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 1: I hate to say this, it's not like he is,

613
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: you know, the magical lickser that's suddenly gonna make this

614
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: defense a whole lot better. Now we we agree that

615
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,959
Speaker 1: he has tools and he should be a good play.

616
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: Are an equality player that's going to help the secondary.

617
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot. It is a hamstring, by

618
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: the way, there is there is a lot of a

619
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: lot of ups for him. But again, let's not forget

620
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: he's missed a ton of time and and quite quite frankly, okay,

621
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: you know, when you look at the Giants issues, Yeah,

622
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: the secondary has made its mistakes. They've had some miscommunications

623
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: and busted assignments. There's no doubt about that. But but ultimately,

624
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: you know, I think what they'd like to if they could,

625
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,760
Speaker 1: they'd like to add more pass rush, and quite frankly,

626
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: I also think they'd like they'd like to be able

627
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: to add more in that front seven to the linebacking

628
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: corps if they could. But I agree with that ball

629
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 1: that I think it's the past less more so than

630
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: the secondary. I thought DeAndre Baker has played well. Jorth

631
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: goes up and down, but that you made Jenners as

632
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: a guy. He's gonna play tough and he's gonna try

633
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 1: to make those plays for you to turn the get

634
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: turnover a gambler. But there so, the secondary is not

635
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: as bad as it could do. They've improved the luck

636
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: from the first game that they played, So yeah, I

637
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: think that the pass rush has gotten better coach Marvin.

638
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: My issue with it right now is that it's been

639
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Speaker 1: a little bit too sporadic for me. They've gotten better

640
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: and and at times they look really good, but then

641
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 1: there were other times where it's like, there was one

642
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: pass last week against Brady, he had about eight seconds

643
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: back there to throw. So so there are still times

644
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: when they're going in and out. If they can get

645
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: that more consistent, then you're going to have something that

646
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: the improvement is. I was thinking the same thing watching it.

647
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: The improvement is clearly there. Listen, going into this season,

648
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: everybody who's belly, where the hell are you getting a

649
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: pass rush from? Where the hell they're getting a pass?

650
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: There hasn't been a problem getting a pass rush. But

651
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: what Paul says, they've made the improvement of getting a

652
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: pass rush. Now let's see it with a more consistent drive.

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00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: Fair enough. I agree with that. I thought against Brady,

654
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: I thought they'd pressured Brady very well uh in that game,

655
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Speaker 1: But there was some sporadic time what Brady held the

656
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: ball a little longer without anybody around him, and that

657
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: was kind of frustrating. But for the most part of

658
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: that game, I thought they frustrated him a little bit

659
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: and he's had some really bad throats. I don't know

660
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: if it was the pressure or if it was Brady,

661
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: but it was some bad offensive possessions for New England.

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00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: Looking forward, Coach Marvin, you know the problem is if

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Speaker 1: they have gaps in that pass rush against the Cardinals

664
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Speaker 1: on Sunday, Kyler Murray will pull that ball down and

665
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 1: take off like a bat out of hell. And that's

666
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: the problem. That's that's the only thing that scares me

667
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: about next week is this kid getting um stepping up.

668
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: He giving him an escape route and um, he's getting

669
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 1: out to the outside, and I think he can cause

670
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: some problems for it. I would rather see them just

671
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 1: keep him in the pocket as much as possible and

672
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: stay in there lanes and make sure he stays in that.

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00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: Totally agree and so but before I go, UM, I

674
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: just want to shut out to the My quarterback is

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00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: Dr Chris Swart. He was at the Giant facilities this something.

676
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:19,439
Speaker 1: I think I told you about that call and he's

677
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: the one I was with. Uh you know I went

678
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: up at this game. Cool all right, coach, Thank you

679
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: as always, buddy, y'all take here, talk to well, talk

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00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: to you again. Thank you. Coach Marvin always a pleasure

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00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: chat with coach. Yes, one four five, one three is

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Speaker 1: the number. Let's go down to Tampa check in with Rick. Hello, Rick, Hey,

683
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,879
Speaker 1: poly Rutt, my friends. How are you doing today? Sir?

684
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,919
Speaker 1: How are you? The first thing I want to say,

685
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: go Yanks tonight, Savorrino, Baby, that'll be that, that's gonna be.

686
00:38:55,480 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: They're they're already of filling the stadium as we speak. Hey, um, well,

687
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 1: I want to thank the Jets that I want to

688
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 1: thank the Vikings for helping you out this weekend. Because

689
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: you know, Russell, I'm not going to get into my projection.

690
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: We know, we know you're the projectors, So go ahead.

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00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: I know I'm not gonna say a word. I do

692
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: have a question for you because I missed the beginning

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Speaker 1: of the two things I want to question, and I

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Speaker 1: want to make a comment on our a couple of players. No,

695
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: but I know, Rick, Rick, you already have this season

696
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: now at twelve and four, so I understand five and

697
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: four baby, that's no, no, no, no, no no no. Paul,

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00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: I'm going in quarters. I'm listening to yok you go

699
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: the quarters with him. That's what you gotta do. That

700
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 1: that's what you gotta do. Get the two and two

701
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: in this quarter and things will be okay. All right.

702
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,760
Speaker 1: One thing is first, well, I didn't hear the beginning.

703
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: Does it look like we'll have Evan, we'll have Barkley

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00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: and Shepherd back. No, well, it looks like if you

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00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: missed the beginning we said. We both said that, and

706
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: it's not based on inside information. We both feel that

707
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna see Barkley and Angram. That's not et Stone,

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00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 1: but I would I would be shocked quite frankly. You know,

709
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Speaker 1: the other stuff you're dealing with, concussions, I'd be very surprised.

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00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: I'd be very surprised if we see uh, Shepherd or Government.

711
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: But those two that would that's that's going to be

712
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: exciting to add to the lineup. Now. The other thing

713
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: is that I've been very impressed with the Texas kid Mayo,

714
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Speaker 1: the line outside linebacker. Last week. He'd be played well

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Speaker 1: and I'm looking forward to him going forward with the

716
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: team and and having more getting more action and stuff

717
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: going into the next couple of games. You wit about him,

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Speaker 1: You want to know what, Rick, glad you brought that up,

719
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Speaker 1: because prior to when we were going on there. Paul

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Speaker 1: and I were talking about him when Mayo came. We

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Speaker 1: weren't very excited. We said, you know, okay, they needed

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Speaker 1: a body and and he um, you know, it was

723
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: more of a special team. But he Paul and I

724
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: have both said he has played very capably at the

725
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Speaker 1: linebacker position. He's done a very nice, solid job. You

726
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 1: like Connery, like Connry was Connolly was as well. So

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00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: he has that same energy level, I think. So I

728
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Speaker 1: think that that I'm looking forward to him. But is

729
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,919
Speaker 1: Zach Brown any chance of giants would go after, would

730
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: would pick him up? Any news on that? You know?

731
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: Before before I answered that question regarding Kyler Murray's running,

732
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: I think because of his height and and and when

733
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: he's in the pocket, who's going to be the guy

734
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: that's gonna because I think from the pocket throwing, maybe

735
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 1: we could one guy could be that spy to watch

736
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: him for the run. Uh, And you think that's what

737
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: they're going to do, have one guy be the spy

738
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Speaker 1: for him. And as Zach Brown, I was curious if

739
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,280
Speaker 1: that somebody we're gonna would pick up? What her thoughts

740
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:57,240
Speaker 1: on that? Well, I've suggested Balantine as the spy because

741
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: that's an easy thing to do, you know, and he's

742
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: also got the speed to do it. I don't think

743
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: it's too much for the rookie to handle. But as

744
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 1: far as Zack Brown, you know, he was just released

745
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 1: by by Philadelphia. For those of you who are unaware, Um,

746
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:15,240
Speaker 1: he has made some some derogatory remarks about Kirk Cousins,

747
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: who was his teammate when he was with the Redskins,

748
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: going into the Minnesota game, saying, you want to put

749
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: the ball in his hands. Everybody else is good, but

750
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 1: if you give the ball to Cousins, you know that's

751
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: a problem for them. And of course Cousins beat the

752
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: Eagles past week, took a nice shot. Well listen, you're

753
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: gonna yap, it's gonna come back and bite. Brown has

754
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: been on what three or four NFL teams in the

755
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: last ten years. He has seen his better days. UM.

756
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily know that he's a good fit for

757
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: the Giants, but hey, due diligence, you always have to

758
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: check on everybody who's out there because you never know

759
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: they may be able to help you. And I wouldn't

760
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: even be surprised if that's being done. But again, my

761
00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: guests would be no, to be honest, but that doesn't

762
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 1: mean that you don't look into things and see what's cooking.

763
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: To zero, one, five, one three is the number. I

764
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: did want to say one thing about David Mayo. Up

765
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: until this year, the most games in his career he

766
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: had ever started in the season was three last year

767
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: with the Carolina Panthers. So, to be fair to him,

768
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: we all assumed that when we heard he was a

769
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: special teamer and not much more exactly, And so to

770
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: be fair to him, he's never really had an opportunity

771
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: to be to put his wares on tape, and so

772
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: you know, we had all heard a special team or

773
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: special teamer that hasn't played much. Well, okay, the fact

774
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: is that shouldn't have been held against him until we

775
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: actually got to see him on the field. Well, obviously

776
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,760
Speaker 1: Dave get him and you know, knew him from there

777
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: and brought him in and without a lot of fanfare.

778
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 1: But again, he has done a very more than capable job.

779
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: He really has done. You know what capable sounds like. Okay, No,

780
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 1: he's done a very solid job, a very solid job

781
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: at the linebacker position. Again, I said, we're saying two

782
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: or one five one, three to number again. Just gotta

783
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,840
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784
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788
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: go to Maryland and check in with Ti. Hello, Ti,

789
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: how are you doing today? Hey? What's going on? Guys?

790
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: What's going on? TI? All right? Um? I appreciate you guys.

791
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: Take him a call. Uh, I'm at work right now,

792
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: So this is why I'm talking like this, but I'll

793
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: be real quick. UM. I'm glad that we got an

794
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: extra running back and free agency and Buck Allen. I

795
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: don't know too much about him, even though I live

796
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: here in Maryland and the uh most who represents the

797
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 1: Railers what he did for the Railers for three years.

798
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: But I wanted to get I wanted to get your

799
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: take on the kind of running back that he is

800
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: and what he can necessarily bring to the table. Another

801
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: thing I want to ask you guys about was something

802
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: that really intrigues me. Uh that that I just got

803
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 1: wind of in Cree Agency is uh the Cardinals released

804
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,399
Speaker 1: beyond Buchanan and I don't know, uh, several days ago.

805
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 1: Several days ago that was yeah. And I've had a

806
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: lot of Twitter people ask me about what would the

807
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,439
Speaker 1: Giants grab him? Well, they haven't grabbed him by now,

808
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: and one would think if they wanted to, right, he

809
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: would have. He would have been here real quick, especially

810
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: with the Cardinals on deck. You would have thought that

811
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: he would have been here in a heartbeat if they

812
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: really wanted him and if he really wanted to be here.

813
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 1: So my guess is that that's not going to happen.

814
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 1: And as far as Buck Allen's concerned, he has an

815
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: accomplished resume in this league over about four years in

816
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: the NFL of being a solid quality third down back.

817
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: He's got really good hands, does a nice job coming

818
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: out of the backfield. His his resume does not indicate,

819
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: um his strength is running necessarily from scrimmage. He's more

820
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: of a third down specialist. And certainly he has done

821
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: a lot of good things for the Ravens over his

822
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: time there when he was doing that. Okay, alright, Ty,

823
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: thank you very much. Certainly we lost him. Yes, certainly

824
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: you can use uh, you know, the third down, especially

825
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: those third and long situations, you can use that. Well,

826
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 1: consider this for us. Even if se Kwan Barkley is

827
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: up against the Cardinals, he's still coming off a high

828
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,760
Speaker 1: ankle sprain. You're not gonna want to overwork him. Okay,

829
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,240
Speaker 1: you'll you'll play him. If he's active, he'll he'll play

830
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: if and he'll get. If you're guessing how many touches,

831
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Speaker 1: I don't think he gets more than twenty. I'd say

832
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 1: that's about you know. And and to be honest, Okay,

833
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: if if Alan, if buck Allen, who's been here now

834
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: for a few days, if buck Allen can can get

835
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: the third down playbook down again, that's his forte Well

836
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: maybe those are the snaps where you spell see fair

837
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Speaker 1: enough to oh one five one, three is the number.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to New Mexico check in with our friends. Scott. Hello, Scott,

839
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 1: you're on with Russ and Paul. Hi, guys, how are

840
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: you doing? Today's Hi? A couple of points. I agree

841
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: with pretty much everything everybody has said about the defense

842
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: showing and improving. It's not my main point, but I

843
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: would temper it a little bit only because New England

844
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: in that game at over four yards offense and over

845
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: seventy plays and speaks to your point, Paul about kind

846
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: of possession, because I think the three things that UH

847
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: usually a tribute to wins are usually third down efficiency,

848
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 1: time of possession or whether you can run the football,

849
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: and turnovers. Turnovers. Yes, uh, and of the I think

850
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 1: I mentioned this before, of the teams that made the

851
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: playoffs last year, ten, we're in the top ten in

852
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: rushing efficiency. So hallelujah old school football baby. I love

853
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: you for that, Scott. And that's actually the way it

854
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 1: plays out pretty much every year. Kansas City was the outlier,

855
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: and only because Kareem Hunt wasn't there for the whole year,

856
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 1: otherwise they would have been in the top ten. But

857
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: my question is a little bit more controversial, and I

858
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: wonder if either one of you can answer it. I

859
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 1: looked at se Quon Barkley's numbers, and this directly impacts

860
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:29,240
Speaker 1: the offensive line. Uh. He's averaging about six yards to carry.

861
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: But if you look at his games, and I tried

862
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: to extrapolate numbers, I took out the sixty yards that

863
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 1: he had in the first game, a hundred and twenty yards,

864
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: and then I did a little you know, took out

865
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,240
Speaker 1: what he actually was averaging which was about six yards

866
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,280
Speaker 1: to carry. The next game he was averaging four point seven,

867
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 1: still excellent. The third game, the game that he suffer

868
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 1: for the injury, and even though he had ten carries,

869
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: he was averaging one point three. And here's what I'm

870
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: nervous about the strength of the Giant and has always

871
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 1: been the offensive line, at least for this season. And

872
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,879
Speaker 1: what I've noticed looking at some game films is they

873
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: can't make any push up the middle. With three stores

874
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: they have, which is how a peo Zeitler and Hernandez,

875
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: there's hardly any runs going up the middle for any

876
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 1: positive yardage. I'm wondering, if you know, is there a

877
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 1: problem that exists? I know ms and uh, excuse me,

878
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: I forgot the tackle problems with the pass rush roughly,

879
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: but I'm worried about the running statistics. And I was wondering,

880
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: if you know, well, you know what's got um. Paul's

881
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 1: brought that up. We've discussed that a few times, and uh,

882
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 1: there has been a problem at times with the push

883
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: coming from the middle. There has been no deny that.

884
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a catastrophic problem, but there has

885
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: been a problem with that I we would agree, there's

886
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 1: no disputing. Although here here's the ironic part about this. Okay,

887
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,439
Speaker 1: I've got the Giants breakdown on their rushing totals this year,

888
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: and and they have run up the middle thirty eight times,

889
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,760
Speaker 1: which is the most of any direction that the running

890
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: game has taken, averaging four point of five three yards

891
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, four point six three yards per carry, which

892
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: is ninth in the NFL. So so, while I understand

893
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: there have been times when they have not gotten that push,

894
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:33,280
Speaker 1: their overall numbers again, small sample size, only thirty eight carries.

895
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: It's not a ton, but it is the most often

896
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 1: that they've run. Um, you know, it's not It's not

897
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: as bleak as you might think. I would add this though,

898
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: And this is this is the the other thing that

899
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: we must take into account when we talk about, you know,

900
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 1: the running game. As much as we like Gallman, as

901
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 1: much as you know, Hilluman did a nice job and

902
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 1: filled in, and obviously you know, it's back on the

903
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 1: practice squad. By the way that we say that they

904
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: brought him back, he's on the practice spot. Uh, And

905
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: good for him, good, good young fella. And and I

906
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: do think you know he deserves an opportunity to stick around. Um.

907
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,439
Speaker 1: Part of the issue, alright with with the Giants run

908
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 1: game is that when Barkley came out of there, Goldman

909
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: did not have a lot of experience running behind these guys,

910
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: and obviously Human did not either. And we talk all

911
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: the time about the chemistry of the line, well, it

912
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 1: also involves the chemistry of the line with the backs

913
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: and vice versa. And you know, the only work that

914
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: Goldman had, Remember, he split time with Perkins in the preseason,

915
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: so Gorman's worked with the starting offensive line even though

916
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: they got a significant amount of exhibition snaps, Perkins was

917
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 1: taking some of those snaps away too. So so there's

918
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: there's part of an issue there that that needs to

919
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: be addressed. When you understand, you know that it does

920
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 1: take both units, the running back and the offensive line

921
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: to jail to hit those holes on time when they're

922
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: supposed to be hit while they're open, before they close, etcetera, etcetera.

923
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 1: The other thing I would I would warn you about,

924
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: and and this is not to be not to be discounted.

925
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 1: Although I don't know what the number is now as

926
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: of two weeks ago, I believe the Giants were either

927
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: first or second in the league in run blocking before

928
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: they're running back was contacted, and and that number came

929
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: out two weeks ago. I haven't seen it since. And

930
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: we know they haven't run the ball a ton with

931
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: great success. The last couple of weeks they were averaging

932
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: four yards per carry before being contacted, which did indicate

933
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: While I agree with you, I've seen with my own

934
00:52:56,200 --> 00:53:00,280
Speaker 1: eyes times when they haven't gotten that push those members

935
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: indicate that they have certainly done a good job at

936
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 1: the point of attack. Just my last point, and I'll

937
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 1: take it off the your guys. I just found out.

938
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: I didn't know they had this statistic, but apparently they

939
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: tracked pressures and according to what I was told, the

940
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 1: quarterback who severed the most pressures in the NFL right

941
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: now is Daniel Jones. And that's kind of alarming also

942
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 1: because again, the offensive line was the strength of the union.

943
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 1: I know Zeitler was a little bit banged up, but

944
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 1: as far as the other people are concerned, I'm just

945
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: concerned that this may have to do with Daniel Jones

946
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: holding the ball a little bit longer, right, But it's

947
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: an alarming statistic if you're going to move forward with

948
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: the offense, and I was wondering if there's a way

949
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:54,399
Speaker 1: schematically they can help protect with obviously keeping the tight

950
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 1: ends and so forth. And I'll take your answers off

951
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: you guys appreciate it. I think the past protection actually

952
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: been pretty good for most of the season. And yes,

953
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones does tend to hold the ball longer, he

954
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: is more patient, he doesn't always feel the timing of

955
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: the rush properly, and that does lead to some of

956
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: those issues. And the other thing is too and you

957
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: know this for us, since Daniel Jones was inserted into

958
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: the line up, the Giants had taken many more shots

959
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: down field than when Eli was and that requires you

960
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 1: to hold the ball right. And also you know, uh, listen,

961
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: you're talking to two guys here. I don't know if

962
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: there are two bigger fans of Eli than Russe and

963
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 1: Paul here. But but having said that, I think, you know,

964
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: we'd be full on ourselves if we didn't, say, Daniels

965
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:50,399
Speaker 1: mobility and his footwork, you know, got himself out of

966
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,240
Speaker 1: a lot of plays, and we're able to make plays

967
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: that you know, ELI would not have been able to make.

968
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: That's that's part of it. One of the reasons they

969
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 1: made the change. Another thing that Paul it up to

970
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: me off the air, which is fair because I brought it.

971
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,919
Speaker 1: I brought one object. I brought this up to Paul,

972
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:11,240
Speaker 1: that one thing about the receivers what they have to do,

973
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: and Paul right police so said, well that was a

974
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 1: problem that ELI had to deal with the receivers. This

975
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: is a passing league. The receivers have to go get

976
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 1: the ball. What I'm saying, but by go get the ball.

977
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 1: If he's the defender and I'm the receiver and the

978
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 1: I gotta grab the ball, not have it knocked away.

979
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not just talking about an interception, but

980
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: you you have your Daniel Jones has the ability to

981
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: really put the ball in a tight spot. He can

982
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,760
Speaker 1: fire it in there. But you have to be able

983
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 1: to grab that ball, you know, not have it knocked away.

984
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,760
Speaker 1: And I've seen it, you know a few more times

985
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: that I'd like to see. And I'm not singling out anybody.

986
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: I'm saying in general, ball gets knocked away. Grab it.

987
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: Put those meat books on the ball and grab it.

988
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: You know, it's the NFL. It's not it's not Division one,

989
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 1: two or three. It's the National Football League. That's what's

990
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,399
Speaker 1: supposed to separate you from the rest. And by the way,

991
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,760
Speaker 1: I did want to add one other thing. The Giants

992
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: receiving corps has been a revolving door throughout the first

993
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 1: half of the season, and and that also contributes to

994
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 1: some of the quarterback holding the ball a little long

995
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 1: because he doesn't have the comfort zone with the timing

996
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: down with all the routes, because these guys have not

997
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 1: been consistently part of the process. Well, listen, isn't it

998
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 1: gonna be nice if we get Evan Angram back this week?

999
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 1: You're gonna have Angram back and you're not gonna have

1000
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 1: you And I would be knocked over if we're still

1001
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: a shepherd this week. I don't expect to see that

1002
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: at all. But if you have Evan in there, and

1003
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 1: you have Golden Tate in there again, and you have

1004
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 1: Darius Layton who has looking like the real deal, you know, well,

1005
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden and you're gonna have hopefully

1006
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: sat Quan Well, then your quarterback, as we say, is

1007
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: going to have his heavy artillery in there to help him. Yes,

1008
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: And to his point about the offensive line, other than

1009
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: the Minnesota game, and I know that Barrett had four

1010
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: sacks against three and a half. I think I charged

1011
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: the soldier in the Tampa game, but yet on the

1012
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: game when he drive, they shut him down. The soldier

1013
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 1: was outstanding on the game when he drive what he

1014
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 1: had to be other than the Minnesota game. The truth

1015
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: of the matter is the past protection has been adequate. Yeah,

1016
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 1: well better the Minnesota game. You and I were both

1017
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: in agreement. The Minnesota game was bad. That they had

1018
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: a rough game, but they also had a rough game

1019
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 1: against a very rough defense, a very rough defense. Listen, Ty,

1020
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: and we lost them before, so will allow him to

1021
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: come back. Uh, and we'll wrap the show up with

1022
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: Ty in Maryland. I see Tier. You told our producer here, Brian,

1023
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 1: that you had to get off the phone. Obviously the

1024
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 1: big boss was coming right. Yeah. No, Actually my my

1025
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: phone had disconnected my earphone. All right. So well let's

1026
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 1: make your point quick, Paul, Ty, because you gotta wrap

1027
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,439
Speaker 1: it up all right, real quick. So there was there

1028
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: was a conversation to be had after the Tampa day

1029
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: game between coach Marvin I think Lannis Meadows and Jon

1030
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 1: Snow having to do with the defense being motivated by

1031
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 1: the play of Daniel Jones. I don't think there was

1032
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 1: kind of a back and forth between those guys, and

1033
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 1: it was kind of turned into a bit of an argument,

1034
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 1: and the guy coach Marblo, was trying to make a

1035
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: point to say that the team wasn't necessarily motivated by

1036
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 1: the player day of Jones. But I think it more

1037
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: so has to do is confidence. Well, no, I'm gonna

1038
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 1: you know, you know what, Thank you, Ty, because I

1039
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 1: remember the conversation and thanks for the call, because we

1040
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: gotta wrap things up. But I think that that conversation

1041
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 1: got off on a tangent. I think a defense can

1042
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 1: certainly get motivated by the play of Daniel Jones, because

1043
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: if they're looking at Daniel Jones and they're looking at

1044
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: um an offense that's moving, you're gonna say, okay, I

1045
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 1: mean we're gonna get a rest here. He's gonna help us.

1046
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: He's gonna, you know, uh, ball control and maintain the clock.

1047
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the left hands, the elbow is

1048
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: connected to the you know, bicep. Come on, it's all connected.

1049
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 1: So I listen. I don't think you'd be lying if

1050
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: you didn't say a defensive player can get motivated by

1051
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 1: the look of his offense, and certainly the offense can

1052
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 1: get motivated by, Oh, the defense is getting us the

1053
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: ball again, let's go. I mean, I think that goes

1054
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: handon and see. I totally disagree, Okay, I I think momentum.

1055
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 1: Momentum can be gained from one side of the ball

1056
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 1: or the other. But the word motivation, I think it's

1057
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 1: semantics thing. Okay, because you know why. But you know

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Speaker 1: why I take issue with it because I had a

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Speaker 1: caller on one of the shows who insist it that

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones inspired the Giants to win the Tampa Bay game. No, No,

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Speaker 1: Lawrence Taylor inspired the Giants in New Orleans in a

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Speaker 1: primetime game, playing with a harness Scotch taped together and

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Speaker 1: destroying the Saints offense single handedly with one shoulder being

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Speaker 1: totally destroyed. That's inspired. Bill Parcels called it the most

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Speaker 1: inspiring game he had ever seen. That's inspired. It's it's

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Speaker 1: Samanthics exactly. It's Samantha. I think we're getting stuck on

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Speaker 1: you can get momentum. I think every one the other

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Speaker 1: side of the ball, everybody means the same thing. Not me. Well,

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Speaker 1: you're not always there anyway, So anyway, folks, that's a

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Speaker 1: rap on today. Yeah, I noticed you said the oh yeah, Sevey,

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Speaker 1: let's go. You didn't mention the other guy who's pitching

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Speaker 1: against Sevy, did you? But Garrett Cole is pretty good?

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Speaker 1: You think pretty good? Get the ball over the plate

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Speaker 1: now and then. Anyway, folks, thank you for being part

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Speaker 1: of today's show. Our thanks to Brian Confort taking care

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Speaker 1: of us with the controls. Paul Deatino, Amara Salzburg. Thank

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Speaker 1: you all for being here, and really a big thanks

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Speaker 1: to all of you because without you, we'd have nobody

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Speaker 1: here to be talking to. I will see you Thursday.

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Speaker 1: one wants to be the one to miss the big play.

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