1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Best of the Week for What's Right 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: with Nick Right the best takes and moments from this 3 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: week on the show. 4 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 2: Enjoy huge news. Congratulations to you and your show. First 5 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 2: Things First was nominated for Most Outstanding Sports the Most 6 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 2: Outstanding Sports Studio Show Emmy. Has weimby inspired you to 7 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:22,240 Speaker 2: campaign for the award. 8 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna campaign for the award, but I am 9 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: going to be a touch self indulgent here, but also 10 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna spend a bit of time on this because 11 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: I think this is instructive for people in there at 12 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: any I think there are lessons. Lessons sounds patronizing. I 13 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: think there might be some wisdom shared here, and that 14 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: sounded pretty patronizing too, as far as yeah, the story 15 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: of the TV show and listen, I don't know if 16 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: we're gonna win the Emmy, but I and I know 17 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: the maybe the proper thing, certainly the cool thing is 18 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: to say I don't care, but I care deeply about 19 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: being nominated for this. Every year when these nominations came out, 20 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: I got upset that we were not included, and I 21 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: thought for some time maybe not even considered now. To 22 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 1: be fair, there was a period of time where we 23 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: didn't deserve to be considered. But for people that are, 24 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: you know, new ish to this show or first things first, 25 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: I will try as briefly as I can to kind 26 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: of give the history of the show, because again there 27 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: are some fork in the road moments that I think 28 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: are instructive. So September Labor Day, twenty seventeen, the show 29 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 1: launches twenty seventeen. It is me, Chris Carter, and Jenna Wolf, 30 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: and in pretty short order the show was solid and 31 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: I think, you know, it had some documented growing ratings 32 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: success at a timeslot where FS one had never had 33 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: a show before that show. The show used to start 34 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: at six thirty am Eastern, so three thirty am Pacific 35 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: and go three hours six thirty am to nine thirty am. 36 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: And before the end of our first football season, we 37 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: had an episode where we had more than one hundred 38 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 1: thousand viewers, which I think was way way beyond what 39 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: realistic goals were for not only a new show, not 40 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: only a new show involving someone that me that nobody knew, 41 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: but a show that there nobody ever woke up to 42 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: FS one, you know, historically, because we didn't have life 43 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: programming on that. 44 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 3: And. 45 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: But that show was very different, and people that watched it, 46 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: you know know it. The I didn't know what I 47 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: was doing. I thought my job was every day to 48 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: prove to the audience how smart I was. I thought 49 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: my job was every day to just be armed with 50 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: all of the data, all of the facts, all of 51 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: the information to win any potential debate that popped up. 52 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 1: While also weighing that with the fact that my partner 53 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 1: and the person fronting the show, Chris Carter, who was 54 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:30,359 Speaker 1: so good to me personally and so good to my 55 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:35,359 Speaker 1: family and my wife and my kids, and who I 56 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 1: had a real deep personal relationship and friendship with, he 57 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: was not really trying to argue, and so I and 58 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: as much as I believe Chris respected my intellect and 59 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: my work ethic, he certainly did not think if he 60 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: and I disagreed on football or basketball for that matter, 61 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 1: that I had a leg to stand on. He obviously 62 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,239 Speaker 1: was one of the greatest football players of all time 63 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 1: and also had one hundred Division I college basketball scholarships. 64 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: His brother coached in the NBA, And so I was 65 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 1: that first year plus always kind of doing a dance, 66 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: figuring out how to as strongly as I could make 67 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: my case for something, give my opinion while never actually 68 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:48,239 Speaker 1: entering into a debate which could turn into an argument 69 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: with CC because that's just not what he was trying 70 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 1: to do. And it was his show. And so there 71 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: were a lot of moments where and I'm not really 72 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: a folder hand guy, where where I had really no 73 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: other choice but to kind of fold my hand. But 74 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: but it was still great. It was on TV every day, 75 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: The show was growing, and we were headed in a 76 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: really positive direction along with the network. When Undisputed was 77 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,359 Speaker 1: really starting to hum, they were on after us. Colin's 78 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: been great throughout the show, on after Colin He at 79 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: that point in time, he was still a part of 80 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: He would do the herd and then also do speak 81 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: for Yourself, and the network was really rolling. And then 82 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: late October of twenty eighteen, so the show's now been 83 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 1: on for fourteen months, I get a phone call that 84 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: Chris and Fox have parted ways, and the you know, 85 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: I've spent eight years, It's something I've never really talked about, 86 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: but quality of reconcilable differences, and I show up to 87 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: work the next day. I think the first day was 88 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: Halloween twenty eighteen, and they're like, well, listen, you know, 89 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: Chris Canty has been a great guest of ours. He's 90 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: going to do a lot of stuff. Greg Jennings will 91 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: still come in, Coach Manginie. Greg and Coach were there 92 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: from day one. Those guys will you know, still be 93 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: a part of the rotation and we will just kind 94 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: of do you know, a rotating co host while we 95 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: figure out, you know, who's going to be full time 96 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: what's what. And that went from the rotating co host 97 00:07:55,440 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: thing from October of twenty eighteen two. We are now 98 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: in February of twenty twenty and there is still not 99 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: a full time co host. And while that was you know, 100 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: to be obviously not the best thing for the stability 101 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,239 Speaker 1: of the show. And Chris Canty did an awesome job 102 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: because he was he was there more than anybody. We 103 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 1: also during the NBA Chris Brussard started being a part 104 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: of it. It's how I really got to know Broussard. 105 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: And while it wasn't that that lack of stability wasn't 106 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: what was you know, really best I think for the 107 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 1: show's growth. It certainly allowed me to put my stamp 108 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 1: on it and for you know, almost by default, a 109 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: show that was never supposed to be my show became 110 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: my show. And then in January February of twenty twenty, 111 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: Kevin Wilds, who was you know, in the running and 112 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: he himself bowed out of being on the show when 113 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: it launched, had decided he did want to do it, 114 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: and they brought KWN. And then, of course, when I 115 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: say February of twenty twenty, we are approaching COVID. But 116 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 1: right before COVID was the twenty nineteen Super Bowl, which 117 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: was in January of twenty twenty or February of twenty twenty. 118 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: kW is now you know, getting ready to be or 119 00:09:54,120 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: is already a part of the show. And the Sunday 120 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: night of Super Bowl Week, when we are about to 121 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: do a three hour live show in basically the middle 122 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: of the night from wherever that Super Bowl was. It 123 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: was Miami, I think, so it wasn't really the middle 124 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: of the night. But at six point thirty in the morning, 125 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: we find out that Kobe Bryant's helicopters crashed and we 126 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,079 Speaker 1: are going to be doing a three hour show the 127 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: first day of Super Bowl Week with a live studio 128 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: audience reacting to this unspeakable tragedy, and I remember specifically 129 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: requesting that Chris Broussard, who was there in case any 130 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 1: basketball stories popped up during Super Bowl Week, could he 131 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: host the entire show with me, with the crew, could 132 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: he be there for the whole thing, And Brew, to 133 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: his credit, said yes, and we did those three hours together, 134 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 1: which were just I the impossible in retrospect to think 135 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: about Kobe had lost. You know, obviously Kobe died, but 136 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: it was also other adults and a bunch of young girls, 137 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:31,839 Speaker 1: including Kobe's daughter. 138 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 3: And. 139 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 1: I remember when that show ended, hugging Brew and telling him, man, 140 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: I literally could not have done this show without you 141 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: out here, like thank you, and it felt like that 142 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: really bonded us. And then, you know, six weeks later, 143 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: the world shuts down, and we still don't have a 144 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: full time co host. We still don't really know, you know, 145 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: exactly what's what. 146 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 3: And. 147 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: COVID hits and all of a sudden, we're doing the 148 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: show from our house with no live sports on. And 149 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,959 Speaker 1: I might get some of this timeline a little wrong, 150 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: and I apologize for the length of this, but there's 151 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: a reason I'm glad I'm finally kind of putting this 152 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: full thing out there, and at one point during the 153 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: first call, it twelve months of covid Uh. I'm told 154 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: by folks who would know, not sure if we're going 155 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: to continue with the show. We never landed on the 156 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: co host that you know, there's no sports on that 157 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: if you guys remember the sports ay an advertiser economy 158 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: at that time, like the show was on what not 159 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: thin ice, But it was I was giving a heads 160 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: up that it was probably going to be canceled three 161 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: years and four years into the show again, I don't 162 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: remember if this is late twenty twenty early twenty twenty one, 163 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: and I don't know what changed over the next two months, 164 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:32,959 Speaker 1: other than you know, maybe I had you know, the people. 165 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: I don't know what changed, but I know all of 166 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: a sudden, it went from me telling my wife and 167 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: daughters that I think we're gonna probably move to LA 168 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: that I think that, you know, I've established myself well 169 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: enough with Fox that even if they canceled the show, 170 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: I think they will have they'll want to keep me around. 171 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: I'm under contract and the you know, but I think 172 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: we're gonna have to move to LA. I was, I 173 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: was setting up interviews for my older daughter for La 174 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: High schools. I had, uh my pal Maverick had you know, 175 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: made sent made some calls for me where you know, 176 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: his friend's kids went to school, and like the this 177 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: is what was happening, Like I had kind of just 178 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: come to terms with it. And then something changed and 179 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: the show didn't get canceled and they were they were 180 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: adding a full time co host and it was gonna 181 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: be Brandon Marshall and we were still doing the show 182 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: from our house. And that was the twenty twenty one 183 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: I think football season. 184 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 3: And. 185 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: We did Brandon me Wild's and Jenna did that show 186 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: for a year with brew being our basketball guest coaching 187 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: Greg still being on the show as guests, and it 188 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: was fine. Brandon and I had a good relationship, but 189 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: it was also weird. Brandon and Wilds did a show 190 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: together for a year, never once met in person. Brandon 191 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: was in Florida, he was still COVID, we were still 192 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: doing it from our houses. Everything was remote. And then 193 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: Brandon decided he didn't want to do you know, renew 194 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: and we're approaching going back in studio and this is 195 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: I gave that whole background, but this is the moral 196 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: of the story and the reason I'm telling this, I'm 197 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: spending a half hour on this. In that moment, we 198 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: knew that Jenna was moving on, kw's role was gonna 199 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: change a little bit, and they were discussing with me 200 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: thoughts on who the person opposite me should be. And 201 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: out of respect all the to these people, I'm not 202 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: gonna say who. They were, all talented, all people I 203 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: like or had good relationships with, and all former athletes. 204 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 3: And I knew in my. 205 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: Absolute core that the best person for the show, the 206 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: guy who worked the hardest, had the best relationship, we 207 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: had the best chemistry with, and who had the best 208 00:16:55,200 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: disposition and was the most reliable, was Bru. And I 209 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: also knew. 210 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:11,640 Speaker 3: That I had. 211 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 1: You know, probably one time I could play the card 212 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: of let's not do what you're suggesting, trust me, and 213 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 1: it was I really debated whether or not that was 214 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: even smart to do, because if you do what you 215 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: know your bosses or whatever are suggesting, and you register, 216 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's the best idea, but yeah, 217 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: I'll go with it, and then it doesn't work or 218 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: something happens that's not as much on you. It's like, well, 219 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 1: I you know, I said, but if you say, hey, 220 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 1: I know this is right, and all take the hit 221 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. If it doesn't work, that is on you. 222 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: And in that moment I knew wild thought it should 223 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: be Brew. I knew in my core that because I 224 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: listened to Bru's radio shows, like these guys think he's 225 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 1: just a basketball guy. He does a daily radio show 226 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:27,679 Speaker 1: every night. He talked about football every day. Plus I 227 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 1: also knew from my own history, I was like, I 228 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: am so such an annoying person to argue with that 229 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: there is something in my experience for former athletes, particularly 230 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: former football players, that if every single day they got 231 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 1: to argue with me, something in their brain activates a 232 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 1: few months in and they're like, man, I used to 233 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: put guys like him in the damn locker. He's telling 234 00:18:55,680 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 1: me who the better court is. Shut up. And one 235 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: of the reasons I think Greg and Coach have been 236 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 1: so great for eight years on the show is by 237 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: around Thursday, certainly by Friday, of a week of dealing 238 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 1: with my nonsense, they know, all right, I'm about to 239 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: get a week away from this idiot and they can reset. 240 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 1: And so I just really didn't think going with another 241 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 1: former athlete was gonna work. 242 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 3: And. 243 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: I advocated in the strongest possible terms along with Wilds, 244 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 1: we all agree, me, Wilds, Brew, let it run. Just 245 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:43,919 Speaker 1: see And even after that happened once that was like 246 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: agreed upon. In the twenty third hour they I was 247 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: presented with, Hey, we got it done with Brew. He's 248 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: gonna be on the show, but we think we are 249 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: gonna add a fourth person full time, not Coach or Greg. 250 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: They will still be on the show in their current role, 251 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: but in every segment, full time person. And we think 252 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: we know who it is. And I I laid down 253 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: in traffic on it and said, let let us have 254 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 1: this shot. And that was August of twenty twenty What 255 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: hold on, am I do I have this? 256 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:34,640 Speaker 4: No? That was. 257 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: August of twenty twenty two. Right, two, three, four five. Yeah, 258 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: we've done four football seasons together. That was August of 259 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. And I believe by August of twenty 260 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: twenty three, me, Wilds and Brew, along with Coach and 261 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 1: Greg and the amazing folks who work on the show 262 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 1: behind the scenes, have the best show on sports TV. 263 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: And that's why being nominated for that award was so gratifying. 264 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,360 Speaker 1: I understand there's been a half hour of self indulgence. 265 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: But the lesson there is a real lesson there, which 266 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: is if if you feel ownership over something, and I listen, 267 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: I try to be very consistent and I'm being very 268 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 1: honest when I talk about this is a collaborative effort, 269 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: but I feel real ownership over this show. We are 270 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 1: all equal part partners in it. But I it's why 271 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: when we were moving to the afternoons. The other thing 272 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: that I was adamant about is don't don't change the name. 273 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: They were like, yeah, but we named it first things first, 274 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: because it's a morning show. I'm like, don't change the name. 275 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: Let us keep it because I felt a real connection 276 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 1: to it. But if you feel real ownership over something 277 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: and in your core you know what the right call is, 278 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:27,439 Speaker 1: be willing to put some stakes to it. Going along 279 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: to get along can be smart in certain instances. Accumulating 280 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: good coworker, good colleague, not being a pain in the 281 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 1: ass chips along the way is super valuable. Because I 282 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 1: had never once played a let me have this one card, 283 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,199 Speaker 1: and I've only played it once really since then. I 284 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 1: mean that's the only time that I've played it. I 285 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: should say since then, and it's the greatest thing ever 286 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 1: happened in the show. Brew is perfect, He is works 287 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 1: as hard as anyone in the business. He is funny, 288 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: he is never in a bad mood, and he is 289 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 1: just the greatest guy to be around. The greatest guy. 290 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: We've never had a real fight ever. kW is one 291 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:39,919 Speaker 1: of the smartest television sports television creators ever. He created 292 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: really good shows, was behind the scenes, has all these 293 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: amazing instincts and then like we've had this this awesome 294 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:55,439 Speaker 1: group of people behind the scenes. Matt Kattank was our 295 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: original executive producer. He then moved on to Breakfast Ball. 296 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 1: He then moved on to other stuff a couple of 297 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: years ago. Sam Pepper was the brains behind the show 298 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: for years. He then you know, left and now is 299 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: the brains behind the Manning cast. And two guys who 300 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: have been with the show for the only people who've 301 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 1: been with the show from day one as far as producers, 302 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: not like Christine and Wardrobe and Danielle my wife and 303 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: Wardrobe been there from day one. But the people who 304 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: put the TV show together been there from day one 305 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: are me guy named Stephen Hubbard and Dustin Waite. Dusty 306 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: started as my researcher and now is the producer of 307 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:53,120 Speaker 1: the show, and Hubs started as I don't know, an 308 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: ap like a low level producer, and now is an 309 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 1: executive at the company and the executive producer of the 310 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: whole afternoon block. We've been working together for eight and 311 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:08,640 Speaker 1: a half years, the three. 312 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 3: Of us, and and so I. 313 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: Again, maybe this is a bad use of time, and 314 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: maybe people have skipped ahead or they've tuned out. However, 315 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: I don't know if we're gonna win. I do know 316 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: that nominated for that Best Sports Studio Show Emmy is 317 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: ESPN's flagship NBA show, ESPN's flagship NFL show, ESPN's flagship 318 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: This is where all the biggest guests in the world go, 319 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: you know, radio slash YouTube slash TV show and McAfee 320 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: and Sports Center, the defining sports highlight show of you know, 321 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: in television history, those four shows and US and I am. 322 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: I'm really, really, really proud of it. And it is 323 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 1: a gratifying thing every day to work on something where 324 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 1: so many people work so hard. And I didn't mention 325 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: all the behind the scenes folks, because I've terrified that 326 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: I will, you know, mention nine of ten and leave 327 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: someone out. But people work really hard in people care, 328 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,399 Speaker 1: and it's just really gratifying to work on something that 329 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: you feel like is good. And I feel like it's good, 330 00:26:53,640 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: and I don't think we no, I don't think. 331 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 3: I know. 332 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: The only way First Things First is ever nominated for 333 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: anything is if it's me, Wilds and Brew out there 334 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: doing it. And I'm really, really, really grateful. 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My 370 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 4: third argument would be that offense impact is not just points. 371 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: Okay, So before I even get to the actual merits 372 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: of his point, what do you like, dislike or you're ambivalent? 373 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: Demands on him stumping for I know he was asked 374 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: the question, he was asked, what are your three points? 375 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:52,239 Speaker 3: Uh? 376 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: But that he is stumping for himself to win MVP. 377 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 2: I actually like it because I feel like some guys 378 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 2: probably go the so away and they might feel in 379 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 2: them and in themselves that they should be MVP and 380 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 2: might not be saying it. And I think Wemby deserves it. 381 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 2: I like it. 382 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: Oh, so you think he is the MVP. 383 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 3: Uh? 384 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say that's pretty fair to say. 385 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: And I also just like Wimby. Yeah, and you don't 386 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: like you don't like the thunder? Okay, So let me 387 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 1: go through his points. Because Brew and I got into 388 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: a more heated than is typical for our show, Argument, 389 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: Discussion whatever yesterday about kind of Luca versus Wimby, and 390 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: the first point people make is the one he made, 391 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: which is defense is half the game. And that sounds smart, 392 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: and that sounds correct, except for the fact that when 393 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 1: it comes to winning MVP of the league, defense is not, 394 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 1: and has never been, half the game. And when it 395 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: comes to individual impact a player can have, it has 396 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: never been, and should not be fifty percent defense fifty 397 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: percent offense. This is evidenced by the entire history of 398 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: awards voting up to an including demands the awards we 399 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: have to give out. We have the All NBA team, 400 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: the fifteen best players in the league, and then a 401 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: supplemental All defense team. You know what, we don't have 402 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: the All offense team. You know why, because they're like, yeah, 403 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: that'd pretty much just be the All NBA team. We 404 00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: have the Most Valuable Player award and then a supplemental 405 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,719 Speaker 1: award called Defensive Player of the Year. You know what, 406 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: we don't have Offensive Player of the Year because that 407 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 1: would be redundant to MVP. Almost every season. Furthermore, just 408 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: this century, we have had damn near ten MVP seasons 409 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 1: by objectively bad defensive players. Yeah, both Steve Nash years, 410 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 1: Dirk's year, Some would argue Russell Westbrook's year, certainly, James 411 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 1: Harden's year, Steph's years at least one or two of 412 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: jokers years, certainly the first one. Yeah. So now those 413 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: are all again varying level of bad defenders, but they 414 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: are at best. Joker's gotten way better defensively, I should say, 415 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 1: by the way, somewhere from mediocre to a Nash's case, 416 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: downright damaging. Steph's first year he was, they were a 417 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 1: great defense despite him his first year winning MVP. Now, 418 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: let me go ahead and ask folks this question, this 419 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 1: century or any century, how many league MVPs have we 420 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 1: had where they're downright bad offensive players. The answer is none. 421 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 1: It is not how we now. Wemby's saying he thinks 422 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 1: that's a flaw in the system. And Wimby's defense is 423 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 1: so sensational that maybe it bends the rules a bit 424 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 1: on impact an individual defensive player can have on the offense. 425 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 2: He also affects the offense have sighed pretty well too, though, 426 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 2: right does he not? 427 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: So So that's what I want to discuss here, because 428 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 1: this is where Brew and I got into it a bit, okay, 429 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 1: but let me stay on the defense just for a second. 430 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 1: Then I'll get there. Okay. So I do agree when 431 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 1: it comes to a team winning the championship, defense is 432 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 1: as important as offense, and history backs that up. And 433 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: in fact, a truly elite elite defense has been as big, 434 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:37,319 Speaker 1: if not slightly bigger historical signifier of championship chances than 435 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: an elite offense. And so team wise, I agree with 436 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 1: that take. The distinction is one singular talent can impact 437 00:34:54,120 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 1: a team's offense more than one singular talent can impact 438 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 1: a team's defense. And again, Wimby might actually be changing 439 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:10,959 Speaker 1: those rules in real time. Like his ability, he might 440 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 1: be an unprecedented defensive performer with defensive impact. And then 441 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 1: we get to Wimby's offense, which is where I am 442 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 1: not comfortable. For someone we have never seen do it 443 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 1: assign them the ability or the credit for doing things 444 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:47,919 Speaker 1: they don't do. It's one thing when Kevin Durant goes 445 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 1: to Golden State, if people are like, well he could 446 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 1: be averaging thirty plus, it's like, well, yeah, we've seen 447 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 1: him do it a bunch. Wimby averages twenty four points 448 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:04,800 Speaker 1: and three assists a game, and folks seem to want 449 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:10,839 Speaker 1: to say, yeah, but he could average thirty. It's just 450 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: not how the Spurs do things. Okay, I'm not I 451 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 1: am not going to say that you get to have 452 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 1: everything when it comes to your MVP argument, and by 453 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 1: that I mean this. Folks seem to believe that the Spurs, 454 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: as Brew puts it, egalitarian style of basketball is what's 455 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 1: best for their ability to win games. Okay, so if 456 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 1: Wimby took more shots, maybe they would have a slightly 457 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:52,759 Speaker 1: worse record. He shouldn't get the MVP boost from the 458 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 1: better record that is caused by the style they play, 459 00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,840 Speaker 1: and then also a boost of but hype. Aesthetically he 460 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 1: could be averaging more points unless in that hypothetical we're 461 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 1: also gonna draw away a few of the wins. That's 462 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 1: first point. Second point is this, I don't know if 463 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:20,360 Speaker 1: Wimby would be quite as impactful defensively if they added 464 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:24,719 Speaker 1: to his offensive workload. So what I'm not comfortable is 465 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 1: saying we know if he were taking way more shots 466 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 1: and playing more minutes, he would be play to play 467 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 1: as dominant defensively, because what we have seen from every 468 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 1: player across league history is as their offensive workload increases, 469 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 1: their defensive impact tends to decrease of it. Kawhi Leonard 470 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 1: is a great example. Kawhi Leonard's best defensive seasons were 471 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,120 Speaker 1: before he became the team's number one off defensive option. 472 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:02,920 Speaker 3: And. 473 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:09,279 Speaker 1: It is now. Tim Duncan would be the argument as 474 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 1: to a guy who won MVPs without gaudy offensive numbers. 475 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 1: I would argue MVP Duncan was a better offensive player 476 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:30,400 Speaker 1: than Wimby is at the moment. But I don't think 477 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 1: right now Victor win Binyama as great as he is. 478 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,879 Speaker 1: And again, I'm not trying to be the anti Wimby guy, 479 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 1: but it does seem like there's the there is a 480 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 1: bit of an just a touch just it feels like 481 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:56,680 Speaker 1: there it is an ongoing contest for Wimby hyperbole at 482 00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,080 Speaker 1: the moment. And so here's the question that I would have. 483 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,520 Speaker 1: And this is where you know, one of the arguments 484 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 1: Brew and I got in yesterday. I don't think Wimby, 485 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:16,080 Speaker 1: if we are evaluating just offense, just as offensive players, 486 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:20,400 Speaker 1: I don't think he is one of the ten best 487 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:24,400 Speaker 1: offensive players in the sport. Yet doesn't mean he won't be, 488 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,759 Speaker 1: But I think and I'm gonna do this off the 489 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,279 Speaker 1: top of my head. I think Shay is a better 490 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,840 Speaker 1: offensive player. I think Joker is a better offensive player. 491 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 1: I think Luca is a better offensive player. I think 492 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,240 Speaker 1: Ant is a better offensive player. I think Steph Curry 493 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,840 Speaker 1: is a better offensive player. I think Devin Booker is 494 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:49,000 Speaker 1: a better offensive player. I think Donovan Mitchell is a 495 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 1: better offensive player. I think if we're gonna give him, 496 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 1: assume he gets back to himself. I think Jason Tatum 497 00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:02,120 Speaker 1: is a better offensive player. I think Cade Cunningham is 498 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:06,680 Speaker 1: a better offensive player. The one I threw out yesterday 499 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,920 Speaker 1: that Brew lost his mind on but I thought, was 500 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,320 Speaker 1: like kind of I was shocked he with so much pushback. 501 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:16,840 Speaker 1: I think Tyrese Halliburton is a better offensive player, and 502 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,200 Speaker 1: I think we're seeing how much of that offense was 503 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,080 Speaker 1: relying on him. But even if you want to take 504 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:22,880 Speaker 1: Tyree's out, who am I? 505 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:23,080 Speaker 3: Oh? 506 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:27,680 Speaker 1: Jalen Brunson, I think is a better offensive player. And 507 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,279 Speaker 1: I am not saying Wimby won't get there. I am 508 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:37,920 Speaker 1: not saying Wimby that maybe he is already there and 509 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 1: we're just not seeing it. But what I'm not comfortable 510 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 1: with is saying he gets credit for things he has 511 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,440 Speaker 1: not done, he is not doing, and he has not 512 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:57,799 Speaker 1: yet done. And so I think that if I were 513 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:02,239 Speaker 1: right now voting for league in VP, my ballot would 514 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:07,760 Speaker 1: go number one, Shay number two, Luca number three, Wimby 515 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:12,359 Speaker 1: number four, Joker number five, CAD. But CAD's gonna fall 516 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,880 Speaker 1: off for eligibility, so Jalen Brown would take his spot. 517 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,920 Speaker 1: That's that's what my And again, if we want so, 518 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,520 Speaker 1: I guess right now, technically I have Cade five, Jalen 519 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 1: Brown six, Jalen Brunson seven is how I would stack 520 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:33,880 Speaker 1: it with, assuming Caid's going to lose out on the spot. 521 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:43,440 Speaker 1: But there are people are so fascinated by what Wimby 522 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:51,760 Speaker 1: is already doing that we're doing some weird psycho psychological 523 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:56,080 Speaker 1: things on So go ahead. 524 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:56,279 Speaker 3: It is. 525 00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:00,120 Speaker 2: It is most valuable player. Like you say, Wimby's averaging 526 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,600 Speaker 2: twenty four and three, twenty three and three right now, 527 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,200 Speaker 2: SGA's averaging thirty one and six, I think it is 528 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,759 Speaker 2: most valuable player. I think that with what Wimby does 529 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,360 Speaker 2: on offense and the amount of shots that he effects 530 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,239 Speaker 2: on defense, I think together it makes him the most 531 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,480 Speaker 2: valuable player. Like in my obs like that. I think 532 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:19,480 Speaker 2: that's how I think of it. 533 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:26,080 Speaker 1: So I get that, and no, no, no, and either 534 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:31,160 Speaker 1: you know no, I totally understand that. What I'm saying is, 535 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:39,520 Speaker 1: I think we have Wimby is but statistically the exact 536 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,480 Speaker 1: same guy he was last year. Last year is twenty 537 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,760 Speaker 1: four eleven and three. This year is twenty four eleven 538 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,040 Speaker 1: and three. Efficiency is the same. I guess you can 539 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,920 Speaker 1: argue he got better defensively, but it feels like he 540 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,040 Speaker 1: has been basically the best defender in the league since 541 00:42:56,239 --> 00:43:03,000 Speaker 1: the moment he walked into the league. And to me, 542 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:10,719 Speaker 1: the big difference is the Spurs team around him has 543 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:18,160 Speaker 1: gotten so much better. Now we can now the Spurs defense, 544 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,799 Speaker 1: he is the sun, the moon, and the stars for that. 545 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,319 Speaker 1: I don't feel that way about their offense. I don't 546 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:30,640 Speaker 1: think like Wimby's presence dramatically makes Dearon Fox a better 547 00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:35,879 Speaker 1: offensive player or the Harper and Castle are blue chip 548 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:41,279 Speaker 1: guys and so, and I think it is noteworthy that 549 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:46,080 Speaker 1: they're ten and five in the fifteen games he hasn't played. 550 00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,799 Speaker 1: It's not again, I'm not nagging his case, but it's 551 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:54,480 Speaker 1: not as if they fall apart entirely without him, and 552 00:43:54,560 --> 00:44:02,680 Speaker 1: so if we are I the the guy who, by 553 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:08,440 Speaker 1: eye test, the team is team is absolutely most reliant 554 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:12,360 Speaker 1: on to be anything is Joker. Now they actually went on. 555 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,840 Speaker 1: I think they did decent in the time he missed, 556 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:20,320 Speaker 1: but it's just watching him, it feels like everything revolves 557 00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:25,880 Speaker 1: around him entirely, and I'm not. It just feels like 558 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:30,560 Speaker 1: people are pressing fast forward and have been throughout Wimby's career. 559 00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:35,360 Speaker 1: I in the you know my pow Phil Simmons yesterday 560 00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,840 Speaker 1: on his pod for a reason. I still don't totally 561 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:46,680 Speaker 1: understand did a Wimby's in year three, but I want 562 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,560 Speaker 1: to compare him to all of the best year twos ever, 563 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,600 Speaker 1: and part of it now I understood why he wanted 564 00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:59,600 Speaker 1: to do that when it came to Duncan and Kareem 565 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:05,000 Speaker 1: guy who played four years in college but like Lebron, 566 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,520 Speaker 1: was younger than Wimby when he came out of school, 567 00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,800 Speaker 1: and Lebron in year three was second in the MVP 568 00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,920 Speaker 1: race and averaged thirty one points a game. And Lebron, 569 00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,120 Speaker 1: when he was younger than Wimby is right now, took 570 00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:23,400 Speaker 1: a team to the NBA Finals, and so the Jordan 571 00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:28,320 Speaker 1: in his rookie year. Rookie year Michael Jordan was twenty 572 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:32,360 Speaker 1: eight a game. Jordan's year two he got hurt. Jordan's 573 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,200 Speaker 1: year three averaged thirty seven. 574 00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:39,640 Speaker 2: So, like I about like Josh Allen, do you think 575 00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,920 Speaker 2: a similar thing is being done, just like kind of 576 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:42,480 Speaker 2: pushing someone. 577 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:46,600 Speaker 1: No, this is actually very different than Alan because Alan 578 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,640 Speaker 1: was not this at phenom like this. This started for 579 00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:57,040 Speaker 1: Wimby before he was drafted. This was you know, Woes saying. 580 00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:01,080 Speaker 1: People think by his third year he can be the 581 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:07,560 Speaker 1: best offensive and defensive player in the league. And again, offensively, 582 00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,919 Speaker 1: I think he's a really I don't think he's a 583 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,640 Speaker 1: great offensive player yet at all. I think he's a 584 00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:18,560 Speaker 1: really good offensive player, far and away the best defensive 585 00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,080 Speaker 1: player in the league. And if that is enough to 586 00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,200 Speaker 1: make him League MVP on a two seed, so be it. 587 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,160 Speaker 1: Like I don't think it's outrageous to say his League MVP. 588 00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:33,440 Speaker 1: What I am saying is this because a lot of 589 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:38,399 Speaker 1: this has come up in the LUCA MVP discussion. Well, 590 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:43,200 Speaker 1: defenses has half the game and for the MVP award, No, 591 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:47,719 Speaker 1: it is not, and it never has been. And the 592 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:52,040 Speaker 1: last five guys to win Defensive Player of the year, 593 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:57,120 Speaker 1: did not you know got a combined the five guys 594 00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,120 Speaker 1: won Defensive Player of the Year got a come com 595 00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:06,359 Speaker 1: bind one fifth place MVP vote between the five guys 596 00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:10,000 Speaker 1: five seasons. If defens were half the game when it 597 00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:14,560 Speaker 1: comes to voting for MVP, then they be. So I 598 00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,640 Speaker 1: just I don't think that is how it's been done. 599 00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:23,279 Speaker 1: And so there's my thirty minutes on Wimby and the 600 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:27,720 Speaker 1: MVP award. 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I mean, if we're talking about 616 00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:22,560 Speaker 1: like contemporary right now, they're obviously as good as anybody 617 00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:28,440 Speaker 1: right historically. Here the here's what I'll say about Yo 618 00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:37,480 Speaker 1: Kitchen Murray. It's hard to rank them anywhere historically because 619 00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:44,360 Speaker 1: Murray is simply not consistently that caliber of player to 620 00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:49,600 Speaker 1: where he all of the great, the truly great duos 621 00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:55,000 Speaker 1: that we talk about, you have a legend and an 622 00:48:55,080 --> 00:49:01,080 Speaker 1: all time great and whether that's Magic and Worthy, Burna, McHale, 623 00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:05,680 Speaker 1: Jordan and Pippen, Shaq and Kobe, the two legends there, 624 00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:11,640 Speaker 1: Duncan and Tony or Duncan and Manu, Bron and Wade 625 00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:17,360 Speaker 1: Bron and Kyrie, Stephen Clay, Katie and Stephan, Jamal Murray. 626 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,359 Speaker 1: When Jamal Murray is rolling like he was last night, 627 00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,720 Speaker 1: they are they look as good as anybody ever. He's 628 00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:30,920 Speaker 1: just not consistently that guy. And it's a testament to 629 00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,680 Speaker 1: jokers greatness. And I'm not listen, Jamal Murray scored fifty 630 00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:39,520 Speaker 1: last night against the tanking MAVs. I'm not taking anything 631 00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:44,160 Speaker 1: away from the guy, but I don't I don't look 632 00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:48,720 Speaker 1: at them as anything close to an all time great duo. Now, 633 00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:54,799 Speaker 1: maybe they peeled the title this year from the four 634 00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,160 Speaker 1: of the five line, maybe we look at them differently, 635 00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,520 Speaker 1: But right now I don't look at him like that. 636 00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:02,360 Speaker 1: I know you have another Joker question. 637 00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:02,759 Speaker 4: Uh? 638 00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, So he's gone sixty to fifty and fifty over 639 00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,799 Speaker 2: his last three games. Are we forgetting about him in 640 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:08,640 Speaker 2: the MVP race? 641 00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:09,000 Speaker 4: You think? 642 00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:14,200 Speaker 1: Listen, I don't. I think I have him fourth. I 643 00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,960 Speaker 1: know a lot of people have him third over Luca. 644 00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,120 Speaker 1: I would like to just if I may, for a moment, 645 00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:26,920 Speaker 1: make the Luca. Well, let me talk Joker, and then 646 00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:32,919 Speaker 1: I'm gonna pull up this Luca note. Okay, uh, are 647 00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:40,840 Speaker 1: we a little numb to jokers consistent offensive excellence? Sure? 648 00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:51,440 Speaker 1: I think that's fair has because he has been. So 649 00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,759 Speaker 1: it's not like he's short on accolades. The guy's got 650 00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,440 Speaker 1: three MVPs. Okay, he's got the same number of MVPs 651 00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:05,480 Speaker 1: is Larry Bird. He's one short of Lebron. So he's 652 00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:09,160 Speaker 1: not a guy that was like, well, you know, he's disrespected. 653 00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:13,000 Speaker 1: Far from it. He is to a point in his 654 00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:18,080 Speaker 1: career where there is not much to do other than 655 00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:24,840 Speaker 1: win more, and that's why, that's why we are somewhat 656 00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:30,960 Speaker 1: numb to these crazy numbers. And speaking of being numb 657 00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:41,680 Speaker 1: to the numbers, Luca just averaged forty a game on 658 00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:46,719 Speaker 1: a road a six plus game road trip that has 659 00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:55,840 Speaker 1: not been done since Michael Jordan forty years ago. Forty 660 00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,480 Speaker 1: a game over a six game road trip. Last guy 661 00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:05,080 Speaker 1: to do it Jordan in nineteen eighty six. Luca also 662 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:12,040 Speaker 1: is going to average thirty three plus on a fifty 663 00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:16,040 Speaker 1: win team. And this is where I will get a 664 00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:25,920 Speaker 1: little upset, so to speak. Demons in the last sixty years, 665 00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:33,200 Speaker 1: here are the guys who averaged thirty three or more 666 00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:40,600 Speaker 1: on a fifty win team and their MVP finish. Wilt 667 00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:46,719 Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty six, he won it. I want to 668 00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:50,319 Speaker 1: make sure I'm right about that. Yeah, of course I 669 00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:55,319 Speaker 1: am Wilton sixty six thirty three and a half a 670 00:52:55,360 --> 00:53:01,239 Speaker 1: game on a fifty win Sixers team. He won Kareem 671 00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:07,640 Speaker 1: in year two thirty five a game on a Bucks 672 00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,680 Speaker 1: team that went on to win the title. He won 673 00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:15,680 Speaker 1: the MVP Jordan in eighty eight thirty five a game 674 00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,720 Speaker 1: on a fifty win Bulls team. He won the MVP 675 00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:25,000 Speaker 1: Jordan in ninety thirty three a game on a fifty 676 00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:29,720 Speaker 1: plus win Bulls team, he came in second. Okay. James 677 00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:35,279 Speaker 1: Harden thirty six a game on a fifty plus win 678 00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:40,440 Speaker 1: Rockets team in twenty nineteen, he came in second as 679 00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:44,719 Speaker 1: the defending league MVP. So Jordan and Harden. 680 00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,359 Speaker 2: When you first said, I was like, James Harden didn't 681 00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:47,280 Speaker 2: do it recently. 682 00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,600 Speaker 1: No, No, he did it in twenty nineteen. Yeah, he 683 00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,759 Speaker 1: came in second in voting, but he had won it 684 00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:57,600 Speaker 1: the previous year. Jordan did it in ninety after doing 685 00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:01,040 Speaker 1: it in eighty eight and winning MVP there. Joel Embiid 686 00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:05,279 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three average thirty three a game for 687 00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,680 Speaker 1: a fifty plus win Sixers team. He won it. So 688 00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:12,840 Speaker 1: we have in the last sixty years, Will Kareem, Michael 689 00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:17,560 Speaker 1: and Embiid won the MVP for thirty three plus on 690 00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:22,399 Speaker 1: a fifty win team. Jordan came in second another time 691 00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,360 Speaker 1: when he had already won an MVP. Harden came in 692 00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:29,920 Speaker 1: second when he had already won an MVP, and then 693 00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:34,880 Speaker 1: Luke ad Ancic two years ago thirty four a game 694 00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:40,080 Speaker 1: on a fifty win team came in a distant third 695 00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:46,440 Speaker 1: four first place votes out of one hundred four and 696 00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,520 Speaker 1: Luk ad Ancic this year, who people think is going 697 00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:56,240 Speaker 1: to finish third or maybe even fourth. Every other person 698 00:54:56,320 --> 00:55:00,400 Speaker 1: to do this, this high volume of scoring on this 699 00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:04,360 Speaker 1: good of a team either as won the MVP or 700 00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,720 Speaker 1: come in second, and the guys who came in second 701 00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:13,880 Speaker 1: had already won MVPs, except for Luca, who did it 702 00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:22,960 Speaker 1: once already before and that year came in third in 703 00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,600 Speaker 1: MVP voting, but it was seventy nine votes yacht or 704 00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:34,120 Speaker 1: Jokic fifteen Shay four for Luca, and Luca this year 705 00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:38,319 Speaker 1: who people think is going to finish either a distant 706 00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:42,919 Speaker 1: third or fourth, probably with only two or three first 707 00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:48,120 Speaker 1: place votes fourth. I think that's I think we are 708 00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:56,840 Speaker 1: approaching a bit of lunacy when it comes to recognizing 709 00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:05,600 Speaker 1: his are in complete dominance as an offensive player, and 710 00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:09,640 Speaker 1: I think we've overstated. Here's the thing, is Luca good defender? 711 00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:15,320 Speaker 1: No do the Lakers? Does the Lakers defense go from 712 00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:20,840 Speaker 1: an average defense with Luke on the court to a 713 00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:25,600 Speaker 1: horrific defense with Luke off the court one fifteen versus 714 00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:34,520 Speaker 1: one twenty one? They do? So? I just I Luca's 715 00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,320 Speaker 1: gonna average thirty three a game on a fifty plus 716 00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,600 Speaker 1: win team and nobody cares but me. It's weird.