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Speaker 1: All right, It's not often that you get to have

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Speaker 1: somebody come on your show that literally is exploding in

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Speaker 1: an industry in a way that might not be the

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Speaker 1: favorite comments from watching Mike's stuff on TikTok and Instagram

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Speaker 1: is I hate the fitness industry.

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Speaker 2: Like Mike.

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Speaker 1: When when I find that in so many your videos, dude,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, this is the guy I'm gonna listen to.

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Speaker 2: This is the guy that I want to understand.

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Speaker 1: And so, you know, getting the fact that you took

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Speaker 1: time out of your insane schedule, you're telling us what

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Speaker 1: you had going on to come on to our show

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Speaker 1: and chat with us not only about the fitness industry,

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Speaker 1: but the most important thing for me and I hope

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Speaker 1: get off their asses and change their lives, for sure.

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Speaker 2: So thank you so much for coming on, brother.

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Speaker 3: No, it's truly an honor.

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Speaker 4: I was stoked that Buck connected us and started doing

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Speaker 4: some research on you and your background. Appreciate everything you've

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Speaker 4: done in your past and your history, and I'm excited

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Speaker 4: to hopefully create as much value as I can and

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Speaker 4: if just one person takes just one thing from this conversation,

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Speaker 4: at least on my end, it'll all be worth it.

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Speaker 1: Well, i'll tell you what, just before we even started, Geordie,

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Speaker 1: his age, and we we talked automatically about.

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Speaker 2: Loading up on your dose on creatine.

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Speaker 1: So I think that's one of the benchmark topics right now,

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Speaker 1: So let's just start with something viable like that. What

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Speaker 1: talk about the new science that popped and what are

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I am often anti supplement as they are meant

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Speaker 4: Lane Norton calls it so beautifully, the big rocks of

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Speaker 4: Your big rocks are obviously we know your sleep, your training,

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Speaker 4: like for you. Anything outside of that is truly a

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Speaker 4: I say critical, but definitely pertinent. If you're not looking

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Speaker 3: You an edge. And creatine is absolutely a staple for me.

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Speaker 4: Not only is it the most well researched performance supplement

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Speaker 4: probably going to build more muscle over time. And muscle

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Speaker 4: But to your point, the new literature that's come out

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Speaker 3: You know what it feels like to operate.

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Speaker 4: I ever received through I think it was a TikTok.

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Speaker 3: Video was you are the niche.

440
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Speaker 4: It's not the fitness content And this was just this

441
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 4: was a creator talking to other creators, and I again

442
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 4: feel that God's grace on my life has allowed me

443
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 4: to embody these things that I think are simple to implement.

444
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 4: But people continue to ask me, how do I get

445
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 4: out of my own way? And I say, well, the

446
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 4: answer is in the question. You get out of your

447
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 4: own way? How do I not care about what people think?

448
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 4: You stop caring? And I think because God pushed me

449
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 4: onto this route, of this path of helping people in

450
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Speaker 4: some way. I'm looking back on all my experiences of

451
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Speaker 4: being in a sales program in college, to B to

452
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Speaker 4: B corporate sales, to years of sales training, and it's

453
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 4: all playing into what I'm doing now in my content,

454
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Speaker 4: and I'm just not afraid to talk about the things

455
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Speaker 4: that I love.

456
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 3: And the things that I love are sales, they are fitness, They.

457
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Speaker 4: Are public speaking communication, and how the baseline, the root

458
00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,080
Speaker 4: and foundation of physical fitness is the launching path for

459
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,160
Speaker 4: all of it. That's that's how higher up wellness was born.

460
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 4: I was in a business school learning. I loved business,

461
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 4: was really good at the course work and understood and

462
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 4: it fired me up to learn what made businesses and

463
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Speaker 4: business owners tick. But I also loved how I showed

464
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 4: up when I was sleeping, eating and training well. I

465
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 4: felt like I could answer questions more quickly and into

466
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 4: the end of the office. In corporate world, sales calls

467
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 4: went better. When I was dialed in on my food

468
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 4: and my training and my sleep, opportunities started to arise.

469
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Speaker 4: People treated me differently.

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Speaker 3: You know.

471
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Speaker 4: I worked at a five hundred person family owned business

472
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Speaker 4: where I was the youngest guy on the floor by

473
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Speaker 4: like twenty five years.

474
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Speaker 3: Wow.

475
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Speaker 4: So in a world where agism is very real in

476
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Speaker 4: the corporate world, what do you know, You're just a greenhorn?

477
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Speaker 3: You just got here.

478
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Speaker 2: Drives me nuts.

479
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Speaker 3: It's the worst, you know.

480
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 4: It's having that physique and that level of fitness is

481
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 4: something that triggers the reptilian brain and people of like,

482
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 4: you know something I don't, or you're doing something I'm not.

483
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Speaker 4: And that gave me a sense of I guess authority

484
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 4: to these other people that ended up opening their world

485
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 4: up to me and teaching me a bunch and giving

486
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Speaker 4: me great opportunities I probably didn't deserve as a twenty

487
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 4: six year old. And so I think once all of

488
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,479
Speaker 4: those skills came into the content and I just have

489
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Speaker 4: one message, this is what The page started on sharing

490
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,360
Speaker 4: easily implementable ways to improve your life, and I never

491
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Speaker 4: confined it to just the fitness, and so I'm going

492
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Speaker 4: to continue to talk about things that I love that

493
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Speaker 4: I am convicted on because I know it's like my

494
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Speaker 4: dad said when we started, and like I said at

495
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Speaker 4: the beginning of this show, if just one person gets

496
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Speaker 4: something from what I have to say, whether it's sales, fitness,

497
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Speaker 4: public speaking, communication, my talk about my hangover remedies because

498
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Speaker 4: I do still go out and drink with my buddies.

499
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Speaker 4: I'm a twenty seven year old guy in a big city.

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Speaker 4: Then it's all worth it. And that's the message I

501
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 4: want to spread. I think everybody has a gift that

502
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 4: maybe the vehicle they can spread that gift on is

503
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 4: content and I'm seeing it now in real time through

504
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,919
Speaker 4: a challenge I accidentally launched on TikTok that is changing

505
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Speaker 4: people's lives and it's really cool to see.

506
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Speaker 2: What was the challenge.

507
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Speaker 4: I made a video about communication skills being a huge

508
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 4: launch pad to change your life, that a lot of

509
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 4: people have these great skills, these great ideas, but frankly

510
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 4: they suck at talking and communication is a skill and

511
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 4: we can train it and we can sharpen it just

512
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Speaker 4: like our bodies in the gym.

513
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Speaker 3: But you have to practice.

514
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Speaker 4: And in the video, I just say one of the

515
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Speaker 4: things you could do is set your camera up just

516
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 4: like I'm doing right now on this TikTok because I

517
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,679
Speaker 4: was speaking in my front camera on the phone and

518
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 4: record yourself speaking for sixty seconds. And I didn't tell

519
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 4: people to go post it. I said, create a burner

520
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 4: account if you want, and all of a sudden the

521
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 4: video blew up and I woke up one day to

522
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 4: six hundred mentions and it was higher up. Well Inness

523
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Speaker 4: public Speaking Challenge. That's awesome, it's amazing, and it was

524
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 4: an accident. Again, I think God placed his hand on that.

525
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 4: I think it was anointed. And it's probably over five

526
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Speaker 4: thousand people now have created TikTok accounts and are speaking

527
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Speaker 4: every day for thirty days. Some are transcending to one hundred.

528
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 4: There's one guy that stands out and he was sort

529
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Speaker 4: of the second catalyst. His name's Brandon, a young guy

530
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 4: early twenties and made a burner account, was zero followers

531
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Speaker 4: and put the camera up and said, Hi, my name

532
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 4: is Brandon. Public speaking makes me very nervous, but I

533
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 4: was inspired by Michael higher up Wellness to do this

534
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 4: challenge for thirty days.

535
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Speaker 3: His first video ever went viral.

536
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 4: It's got four and a half million views, he's got

537
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 4: forty thousand followers, and now he's documenting his life and

538
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 4: it's that's what it's all about. You know, you could

539
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 4: be one video away from changing your life because you

540
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,679
Speaker 4: have a gift that somebody needs to hear. And that's

541
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Speaker 4: that's where I think is what I'm supposed to be

542
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 4: doing and what I'm going to be working toward every

543
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 4: day really lies is in just giving people the power

544
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 4: back and tell them that their life is in their

545
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,479
Speaker 4: own hands if they take accountability for it.

546
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Speaker 1: All right for me, that that's like a dream come

547
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: true because that was the same thing that inspired me

548
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Speaker 1: to do it my first video back in two thousand

549
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: and six on YouTube, right me with my I just

550
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: bushy old, you know, Afghan beard, and you know my

551
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: tats and a T shirt and down by Beach and

552
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: just like all right here the eight missions that I

553
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 1: believe forge your self confidence. And now that thing's just

554
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 1: gone around the world a couple of times, and you know,

555
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 1: there are detractors though, there are people out there who

556
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: are are There's a I think an advocacy growing towards

557
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: being anti content creator, anti wasting your time on social media,

558
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 1: antie this, antie that, And well, if everybody's creating content,

559
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: then what substance do we have that's actually engaging and

560
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: creating the future world that we need to live in.

561
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Speaker 2: So what's your response to that?

562
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 4: I can't get into the market, I can't be a

563
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 4: content creator. It's too saturated. Hear it all the time,

564
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 4: And the first thing I could say is, well, look

565
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 4: at me. I didn't start till twenty twenty three and

566
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 4: here we are two million followers later.

567
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Speaker 3: So is it saturated.

568
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 4: Maybe, but it's saturated with bullshit, and it's saturated with

569
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 4: low quality ideas and content. But ultimately the best argument

570
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 4: for that is nobody is you, so it is not saturated.

571
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 4: It goes back to you are the niche. No one

572
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 4: can be you, and so long as you don't try

573
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Speaker 4: to be like other creators, which a lot of people are,

574
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 4: and it's why their content doesn't work. In my opinion,

575
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 4: you are you and that is your superpowers. There is

576
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Speaker 4: no there is no better argument than that. I don't

577
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 4: think there's a counter argument for it is our authenticity,

578
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 4: our vulnerability, which is something I'm huge on is I've

579
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 4: shared every facet of my life to millions of people,

580
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Speaker 4: and every time I do, the feedback I get is

581
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Speaker 4: overwhelmingly positive. So the formula of authenticity plus vulnerability plus

582
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 4: consistency always equal success in my opinion, that that's phenomenal.

583
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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: So one of the I love listening to you tell

585
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Speaker 1: your origin story too, about being in college forty five up?

586
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: You know, I mean when I weighed in in freshman lacrosse,

587
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: I think I was one hundred and fifty nine pounds.

588
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 2: A year later I was two five, right, and that was.

589
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Speaker 1: Not great you know great development? That was you know

590
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Speaker 1: that that was bush pounders in the kiddie pool with Paul.

591
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 2: McKelvey right over the summer, right. I love you, Paul.

592
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: And and so there there are young men right now

593
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Speaker 1: that are finding you. I know some have found me

594
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: over the past, but they're more so finding you right now.

595
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Speaker 1: What's the key initiator for them?

596
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Speaker 2: Right? Is it?

597
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Speaker 1: Is it the health part first? Is it getting pushing

598
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: and pulling and feeling better? Is it the motivate? You know,

599
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: drilling down on the motivational idea. What is their potential?

600
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Speaker 1: How do I go after it?

601
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Speaker 2: Or is it just simply the recognition that of that

602
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Speaker 2: inch by inch process? How do you like?

603
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Speaker 1: Cause I know you get bombarded with this. I'm a

604
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Speaker 1: twenty three year old kid. I don't know what to do.

605
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Speaker 1: I don't know where to start.

606
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 2: What should I do?

607
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 3: Yeah?

608
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 4: Probably the most commonly asked question I get from young

609
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 4: men and young women is I'm that age, I'm nineteen,

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty one, twenty three. How do I find my

611
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Speaker 4: purpose in life? Which what a big question? I mean, no,

612
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 4: wonder your biggest agony and anxiety. You're trying to figure

613
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 4: out life's greatest question and you haven't even voted in

614
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Speaker 4: your first fucking election yet.

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Speaker 3: I'd be overwhelmed too. I think a lot.

616
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 4: Of it is is the tension you create when you

617
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 4: feel like you have to have it all figured out.

618
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 4: Is manufacturing suffering within your own mind. And I had

619
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Speaker 4: the opportunity to interview a guy named Peter Cron on

620
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 4: my podcast and talk about an anointed conversation. That podcast

621
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Speaker 4: got one hundred and fifty thousand plays practically overnight, which

622
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 4: outperforms any of my episodes of all time, and he

623
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 4: has a theory that all of our suffering is manufactured,

624
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 4: none of it's real, It's all created based.

625
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Speaker 3: On the narratives we tell ourselves.

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Speaker 4: And one thing I really resonated with was that the

627
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Speaker 4: fact that you think something is hard and should be

628
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 4: easy create suffering rather than sitting in the tension of

629
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Speaker 4: this is hard and that's okay, what is it trying

630
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Speaker 4: to teach me? So I wanted to quickly speak to

631
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Speaker 4: that that a lot of young people are creating suffering

632
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Speaker 4: because of the people they see on social media, you know,

633
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 4: the young guy with the supercar and the Rolex making

634
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 4: one hundred grand a month, probably lying about it and

635
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 4: feeling like they have to get there. But to really

636
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 4: answer your question, I do believe, and I'm convicted on

637
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 4: the fact that I think it always starts with the

638
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 4: physical body. If you can't clean the gunk and the

639
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 4: crap out of your mind with that brain fog, everybody

640
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 4: talks about that low energy. If you don't have clarity,

641
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 4: you don't have vision, and you can't find your purpose.

642
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 4: Without vision, you become myopic. And that's something cool I'm

643
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 4: seeing in my coaching community. I've got clients that have

644
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 4: been with me for four months now, and it started

645
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 4: because they wanted to lose fifty pounds. And now we

646
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 4: had three people on my group call yesterday say I

647
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 4: feel called to sign up for marathons. I feel called

648
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 4: to open my Bible, I feel called to I've never

649
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 4: been religious, but I'm curious about God. And I think, yes,

650
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 4: one incredibly powerful. But two, I think the launching pad

651
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 4: is if you're not where you want to be in

652
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,239
Speaker 4: life and your physical health is not a priority, well

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Speaker 4: it's no wonder you're not where you want to be

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Speaker 4: in life because getting clear in the form of proper nutrition,

655
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 4: proper sleep, proper hydration, cleaning that gunk out of the

656
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 4: physical body creates room for ascension in other facets of

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Speaker 4: your life. So any guy or gal listening out there

658
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Speaker 4: that's young. If you are not prioritizing exercise, daily movement,

659
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Speaker 4: whatever you enjoy, whatever you like, there is no best

660
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Speaker 4: compliance is the science. Do what you like, and we'll

661
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Speaker 4: stick to figure that out first. And I really do

662
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Speaker 4: think as you continue to pursue, because fitness is such

663
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Speaker 4: a good microcosm for delayed gratification, you'll start to really

664
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Speaker 4: understand what you were put here to do.

665
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Speaker 3: But it has to start with the physical body.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't. I couldn't concur more with that. We are

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Speaker 1: physical beings. We are rooted in the physicality of how

668
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: we perceive all things, right, from a from a neurological perspective,

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Speaker 1: from the way we perceive through our vision, through where

670
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Speaker 1: we interpret that information itself within that prefrontal cortex, right,

671
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Speaker 1: which then ultimately generates what that metacognition, which creates our

672
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Speaker 1: own potential. Right, So all of those factors are at

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Speaker 1: the highest level.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 2: You have mentioned several times being.

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Speaker 1: In the presence of of of that Holy Spirit and

677
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Speaker 1: being in the presence of what you would describe as

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Speaker 1: a divine process. Has that always played a role in

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Speaker 1: your life? Was that a part of the initiation to change?

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Speaker 1: And if not, how did it present itsel elf? In?

681
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Speaker 3: How do you.

682
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Speaker 2: What is it? How do you.

683
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Speaker 1: Do?

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Speaker 2: How do you nurture it?

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Speaker 1: How do you I don't I don't want to sound cheesy,

686
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Speaker 1: like how do you work out your faith?

687
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 2: Now?

688
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 3: Right?

689
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Speaker 2: But but that's what I'm asking, like, how does that?

690
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Speaker 2: How does that grow?

691
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Speaker 1: And what are the supplements and the exercises and all

692
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Speaker 1: that that facilitate that.

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Speaker 4: It was not always in the picture. I was always

694
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Speaker 4: the lukewarm Christian of there's there's a God, there's no way,

695
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Speaker 4: there's not.

696
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Speaker 3: A higher power, But what is it? How did it

697
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Speaker 3: get it? What does it all look like?

698
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Speaker 4: I was, you know, I was a classic I'm spiritual,

699
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 4: not religious tuly, just a way of saying I'm lukewarm.

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Speaker 3: But it it took.

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Speaker 4: It took hitting what in my adult life was a

702
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Speaker 4: rock bottom for me, which was ultimately losing my dad,

703
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 4: or not losing.

704
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:51,879
Speaker 3: My dad, but him passing away.

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Speaker 4: And that the man was my best friend, biggest role model,

706
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 4: and he taught me a lot of what I know.

707
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 4: And I make a joke all the time. I was

708
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 4: like that if you if you grew up in my age,

709
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 4: you'd have two million followers, not a million. You'd do

710
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Speaker 4: better than I ever could.

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Speaker 2: That's cool.

712
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Speaker 3: He was special And I moved home. Name. His name's

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Speaker 3: Michael Smoke. Also that's cool. Yeah he's Michael Lee. I'm

714
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Speaker 3: Michael Thomas. So not as junior.

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Speaker 4: Technically, he was my biggest role model, and he's a

716
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:28,760
Speaker 4: very special, special man who everyone looked to and looked

717
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 4: forward to and leaned on in hard times.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: He was the one giving eulogies for the grandparents' funeral.

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Speaker 4: He was the first guy that ever ignited the fire

721
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 4: for public speaking in me because he was so proficient

722
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 4: at it. And he said to me, when I was

723
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 4: a little boy, he came in for career day and

724
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,280
Speaker 4: gave a presentation on his job, which at the time

725
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 4: was selling sports equipment goalposts, foul netting, track surface turf.

726
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 4: And that's not going to interest a bunch of third graders,

727
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 4: But I remember him bringing in props and making jokes

728
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 4: and looking around and seeing all these little boys and

729
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Speaker 4: girls interesting and what this old man had to say

730
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 4: about goalposts. And he said to me, he was like, remember, buddy,

731
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Speaker 4: there's no better feeling than getting up in front of

732
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Speaker 4: a room full of people and knowing there's a question

733
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Speaker 4: they can't ask you that you don't have the answer to.

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Speaker 3: It's empowering. And I thought, wow, that was pretty cool.

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Speaker 4: And I moved home for a little while in a

736
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 4: chapter of my life where I was resetting, I was

737
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 4: living on my own, moved.

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Speaker 3: Back home and come home to it.

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Speaker 4: I hadn't seen him in maybe a month, and he

740
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 4: looked sick, and I was like, well, you look like

741
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 4: you're losing weight.

742
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 3: What's going on? He's like a bubby. I don't know.

743
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 4: I don't feel good, I'm tired, I can't eat. And

744
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 4: being the health and wellness person I am, I immediately

745
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 4: was like, are we seeing doctors?

746
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 3: Are we setting appointments?

747
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 4: And I started doing that for him, Holistic doctors, real doctors,

748
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,439
Speaker 4: GI doctors, Western and Eastern medicine. And they could never

749
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 4: figure out what quite was wrong with him. And I'll

750
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 4: spare you the details. It was cirrhosis, that it was lymphoma,

751
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 4: massive blood clotting. But ultimately what happened was my dad

752
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 4: began to lose all of his muscle mass, all of

753
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 4: his autonomy. He lost about sixty pounds in five months,

754
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Speaker 4: and he was already sixty two point lean guy, and

755
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 4: he got to the point where he was practically skin

756
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 4: and bones and had all the symptoms of liver failure.

757
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 4: But he was never a drinker and so he was.

758
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 4: They were confused, but that was brutal to watch my

759
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,919
Speaker 4: hero lose all sense of autonomy and freedom. And that's

760
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Speaker 4: where I really turned to God because I didn't have

761
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 4: anywhere else to go. I couldn't lean on myself. I

762
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 4: couldn't lean on my family. I couldn't lean on him.

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Speaker 4: You know, he was the guy. He was the guy

764
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 4: I shared my wins with. That was my support system

765
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Speaker 4: and my confidant. And you know, when your earthly father

766
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 4: begins to fail, you turn to your heavenly father. And

767
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 4: that's where I started to experience supernatural peace, that thing

768
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 4: that they say you can't explain. But it was after

769
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 4: a lot of traumatic days of becoming my dad's full

770
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Speaker 4: time hospice nurse. You know, I tried not to get

771
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 4: emotional talking him about it, but I took him to

772
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 4: excuse me. I took him to an appointment and before

773
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 4: we were getting ready, I was putting his shoes on

774
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 4: because he couldn't bend over to do it anymore. And

775
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 4: he he reached around and patted my back, and uh,

776
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 4: he said, I'm just looking for your wings.

777
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 3: You know that I was his angel.

778
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 4: And yeah, God put me there to be with him

779
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 4: in his last six months, and I'm so thankful for that,

780
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 4: and put me in a place with a lot of

781
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 4: God fearing men because he knew i'd need the support

782
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 4: system and men that really weren't a part of my

783
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 4: life until about four months before shit really hit the

784
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 4: fan for me, and I'll always be thankful to God

785
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 4: for giving me that time with him.

786
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,879
Speaker 3: But you know, they you.

787
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 4: Think about God's purpose for your life and what his

788
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 4: purpose for my life was. And to watch my dad

789
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Speaker 4: lose his autonomy as a result of what was probably

790
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Speaker 4: not living a life centered around health and wellness.

791
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Speaker 3: You know, he was never overweight, but he grew up

792
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Speaker 3: in the fifties.

793
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 4: He smoked from the time he was a kid until

794
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 4: the day he almost the day he died, until he

795
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 4: couldn't go outside to smoke.

796
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 3: He ate whatever he wanted, whenever he wanted, and he didn't.

797
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:22,760
Speaker 3: He stopped exercising in his forties.

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Speaker 4: He's a D one two sport athlete at Georgia and

799
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 4: he would always say, Bubby, I hit my exercise quote

800
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Speaker 4: a long time ago.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think I've heard myself say that one

802
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 1: to my daughters recently.

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Speaker 3: I'm all weight lifted out, That's what he would say. Yeah, yeah,

804
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 3: But the beauty of.

805
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Speaker 4: Watching my dad go through that and being there for

806
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 4: him was It's made me so much more convicted on

807
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 4: teaching people that everybody has a lot of problems until

808
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 4: they have a health problem, and then they have one

809
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 4: problem because nothing else. When your body fails you and

810
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 4: you don't have a spare one hanging up in the closet,

811
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 4: you just don't. And I'm thankful that God granted me

812
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 4: the ability to suffer through that, because it gave me

813
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 4: a true power and conviction to teach people how important

814
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 4: this is, and not only how important it is, but

815
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 4: how attainable health and vitality is.

816
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 3: It is not unattainable.

817
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 4: It is in the four or five key choices you

818
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 4: are or are not making every day, and if you

819
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 4: don't make them, they will materialize in the form of

820
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 4: a lifestyle related disease on average, not always.

821
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 3: You can play the odds.

822
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 4: You can gamble like my dad did, so you don't

823
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 4: always win that. You don't always win that bet, and

824
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 4: so I'm fortunate and it's you know, it reminds me

825
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 4: of one of my favorite verses of all time that

826
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 4: really got me through that, which was James Chapter one,

827
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Speaker 4: verse two through four, counted all joy, brethren, when you

828
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 4: face trials of many kinds, because you know that the

829
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Speaker 4: testing of your faith produces perseverance, and let perseverance run

830
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 4: its course so that you may be full, complete and mature,

831
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 4: not lacking anything. That process made me mature, it made

832
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 4: me complete, and it's just a piece of my journey

833
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 4: to prevent me from lacking something in the future.

834
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 3: So ultimately, I'm not thankful my dad passed.

835
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 4: I miss him every day, but I'm thankful for what

836
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 4: that experience taught me and how it's going to allow

837
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 4: me to pour into other people.

838
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what, man, as trying to figure

839
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: out what it was that sucks me in every time

840
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,280
Speaker 1: you start ranting on in front of that screen, and

841
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: and now I know, thank you for sharing that with everybody.

842
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 2: I really appreciate that.

843
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: That's beyond anything I could have imagined you would be

844
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: willing to share with me, Man, And that's proof that

845
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: you are who you say are and you do believe

846
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 1: what you believe. So where can people come and follow

847
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: and participate and get on this journey with you?

848
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Speaker 4: I appreciate that. I do thank you for saying that.

849
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 4: And it goes back to vulnerability. I want everybody to

850
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 4: know that their vulnerability and their authenticity is their superpower.

851
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 4: And don't be scared to show the world who you are,

852
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 4: because if anybody judges you, or thinks differently of you,

853
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter. It's like Goggins says so beautifully, You'll

854
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 4: never be shit on by anybody doing better than you.

855
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 3: And I want people to remember that and to live it.

856
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 4: And if they're interested, yeah, if they're interested in coming

857
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 4: along and learning more. My username across all platforms is

858
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 4: the same. My name is Michael Smoke, but my username

859
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 4: is higher Up Wellness on everything.

860
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 3: I have a podcast called the Higher Up Podcast.

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00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 4: It's available on Spotify, YouTube, and Apple Podcasts. And if

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00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 4: they're interested in working with me, they can simply DM

863
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 4: me the word fit on Instagram and it triggers in

864
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 4: my inbox to start a conversation with you and we

865
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 4: can learn more and figure out if we're potentially a

866
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 4: fit to work together and if we're not.

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Speaker 3: No worries.

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Speaker 4: I hope that they get some value from the content alone,

869
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Speaker 4: and I appreciate you giving me the time and the

870
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 4: space to come on and be a part of your platform.

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00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 3: Is truly in honor and it was a It was

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Speaker 3: a great time, man. I had a blast.

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Speaker 2: Awesome. God bless you, Thank you.

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00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 3: Brother, you as well.

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Speaker 1: M hm m m hm.