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If you'd like to get tickets, you 18 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: can go to New York Comic Con dot Com, Slash 19 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: Events Slash ny c C Dash Presents. You do not 20 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: need a new York Comic Con badge to attend this show. 21 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: It is open to the public. Welcome to Steph. You 22 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: missed in history class from how Stuff Works dot com. Hello, 23 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Holly from I'm Tracy V. Wilson, 24 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: and we recently shared our panel from Salt Lake Comic Con, 25 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: where we spoke with authors who wrote fiction inspired by history. 26 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: But that was just the first of two live shows 27 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: that we did while we were there having a fantastic time. Uh. 28 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: The other, the one that you'll hear today, is much 29 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: more along the lines of our regular narrative format. It 30 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: was just that we shared it with a live audience. 31 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: This was a fun ride. It's about outlaws of the 32 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: wild West, specifically famous hideout in Utah and the very 33 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: famous scoundrels who would sometimes sometimes hold up there. That's 34 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: all covered in the show. Those that were just gonna 35 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 1: jump right in, Hello and welcome to the podcast. I'm 36 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: Holly Frow, I'm Tracy V. Wilson. We joked that there 37 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: are times when we kind of want to switch that 38 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 1: up and pretend to be each other, or just subliminally 39 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: we our brains want to throw out the other name. 40 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: I don't know why more than once I've opened my 41 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 1: mouth and almost holly fry has come out of there, 42 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: and I'm like, what is happening to me today? That's 43 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:33,519 Speaker 1: a job you do not want. Uh. But at the 44 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: end of the nineteenth century in the beginning of the 45 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: twentieth century, a chunk of really rough and unwelcoming territory 46 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 1: in the canyon Lands area east of the Dirty Devil 47 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: River became a safe haven for scoundrels. And I know 48 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: we all love scoundrels a little bit. Uh One of 49 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: the most famous scoundrels is which Cassidy and he and 50 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: his oh he gets to plause. I mean, I see 51 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,079 Speaker 1: the appeal. Let me tell you, uh. He and is 52 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 1: wild Bunch frequented this area, which came to be known 53 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,679 Speaker 1: as Robber's Roost. And there is a lot of outlaw 54 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: history connected to Robber's Roost, a lot, uh so much 55 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: that there's really no way we can cover it all 56 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: in the course of an episode. So I know that 57 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: if you came hoping to hear some piece of like 58 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: your favorite uh lore around the roost, like, we may 59 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: not hit it. But instead we're going to cover an 60 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 1: assortment of some of the people who shaped the legend 61 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: of Robber's Roost. We will talk about Butch Cassidy. I promise. 62 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: Can I interject my incredibly embarrassing story about about Butch Cassidy. 63 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: It's so dear to me. I grew up in the 64 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: southeastern United States, not anywhere near Utah. I believed until 65 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: Holly said, why don't we do a podcast on Robber's Roost, 66 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:52,119 Speaker 1: that Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid were characters made 67 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: up by the same guy who wrote The Princess Bride 68 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: for a screenplay to be played by Paul Newman and 69 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: Robert Redford, my mother's two favorite actors of all time. 70 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: She really did so yeah, real people. Yes, I live 71 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: for a brief time when I was tiny in Arizona, 72 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: So I guess that's how I had my inn. Had 73 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: I spent more time in the South growing up, maybe 74 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: I would not have known that. I thought they were 75 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: made up. Uh, And even today, getting into Robber's Roost 76 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: is really big challenge. The U s Department of the 77 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: Interior Bureau of Land Management actually mentions on its information 78 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: page that, uh, you really shouldn't try to get into 79 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: Robber's Roost. Without a four wheel drive, and it has 80 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 1: this great warning that reads chances of encountering other users 81 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: is low and any kind of emergency response will not 82 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: be fast. Considering the remote and isolated nature of the roost, 83 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: cell phone service throughout the region is unreliable at best, 84 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: so even today it's very difficult to get into there 85 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: and communicate from there. So at the time that we're 86 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: talking about, it was a really isolated space. That reminds 87 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: me of a sign that we saw while I was 88 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: on my honeymoon in Iceland. Uh, and it was at 89 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: the geysers, and it was basically like the water coming 90 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 1: out of the ground here is literally almost boiling, and 91 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: it had a number of hazards that might happen to 92 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: you because of this literally boiling water. And then it 93 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 1: ended with the sentence, the nearest hospital is sixty eight 94 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: kilometers away. Yeah, I love a state run or government 95 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: agency that's just like, we really can't help you if 96 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 1: you're stupid. We just can't. We can't. I'm so sorry. 97 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: We can't cover we can't cover the spread. So Robberts 98 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 1: Reefs is not the only hide out in this general area. 99 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: There's a whole swath of land that runs through it 100 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: that came to be known as Outlaw Trail because of 101 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: all these many hiding places that were all over it. 102 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: Holly was telling me at lunch that Robert Redford was 103 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 1: actually walked the whole thing. Yeah, he hiked the Outlaw 104 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: Trail in preparation for Butch Cassidy and The Sun Dance Kid. 105 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: And I think it was for National Geographic that he 106 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: wrote an article about it. And I was not able 107 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: to get my hands on a copy of it because 108 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 1: it's in their archives and it's not one you and 109 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,479 Speaker 1: just access online. And we didn't have enough time for 110 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: the turnaround for them to send me a copy or 111 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 1: digitize it and get it over. But it's sort of 112 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: fascinating that he went ahead and did it, because that 113 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: is no small undertaking, no, and it's still really difficult 114 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 1: to access. Pretty much the only way in is at 115 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: the mouth of the Dirty Devil River. And another spot 116 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: to tuck out of sight, uh away from the law 117 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 1: on the Outlaw Trail was Brown's Hole, which sits in 118 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 1: Colorado on the Green River. It's at the meeting point 119 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: of Utah, Colorado and Wyoming. It's actually now known as 120 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: Brown's Park because that just sounds nicer than Brown's Hole 121 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 1: now that you mentioned it, right, Like, I don't want 122 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: to hide out there. If you travel on the Outlaw 123 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: Trail into south central Wyoming, you could also lay low 124 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 1: at a place that is also very famous called the 125 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: Hole in the Wall, and on that two hundred mile 126 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 1: stretch that kind of covers the spread of these three hideouts. 127 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: There were also ample lookout points and caves, so there 128 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: were a lot of little mini hideouts that were not 129 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: quite so I'm using the air quotes when I say 130 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: civilized as those three places that had some amenities built in. 131 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: Robbers roosts specifically, is made up of just canyons and 132 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: cliffs all over the place. There the result of thousands 133 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: and thousands of years of erosion. So all this really 134 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: craggy rain, terrain and an almost maze like set of 135 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: natural features are what really make it into just perfect 136 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: hiding spots. There are tons of little places that you 137 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: can tuck yourself away and not be easily spotted. Uh. 138 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: The This area was described in one of the books 139 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: that Holly read for researching this podcast as quote the 140 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: Geography of Despair. So it's such a poetic quaint and 141 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: say it, but really it's like you're gonna die there. Um. 142 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: But in addition to the easy hiding, Robber's Roost also 143 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: had some legitimate appeal to bandits, and not just bandits, 144 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: we'll get to some of the people that actually lived 145 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: there as well, because it had dependable water sources in 146 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: the form of several springs that were there. And we 147 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: don't know the origin of the moniker robbers Roost for 148 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: the area, it predated the Wild Bunch by a significant margin. 149 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: As early as the eighteen seventies, though, outlaws were using 150 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: the trail to take stolen horses away from authorities. One 151 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: of these people was a man known as Cat Brown, 152 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: and he'd been stealing horses for quite some time before 153 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: things really got hot for him, and he would steal 154 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: horses in Utah and then he would sell them to 155 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: mining operations in Colorado. Yeah. That was really sort of 156 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: the business of wrestlers at the time was to supply 157 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: these mining operations, and often Cap Brown sort of served 158 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: as this sort of middleman. He would purchase stolen horses 159 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: and then he would drive them through the roost, which 160 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: was incredibly difficult to their destination to sell at a 161 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: mark up and while we are by no means endorsing 162 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: or excusing this behavior, uh, we really do want to 163 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: kind of acknowledge that there was no doubt that this 164 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: was really really hard work. I mean, for doing illegal things. 165 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: He was really earning his money. Um. Moving horses through 166 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: the roost was really tricky. Sometimes sand would actually have 167 00:08:57,760 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 1: to You'd have to have a man running ahead of 168 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 1: them and throwing sand under the horses hoofs as they 169 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: moved so that they would have something to kind of 170 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: grab onto, you like a little bit of traction. But 171 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: the horses would still struggle and slip just the same. 172 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: One of the books that I read described the smell 173 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: of burning hoofs as they slid on rock because the 174 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: horses were just trying to pull up and they were 175 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: so heavy they were grinding down as they were sliding. 176 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: That's a horrible smell, I imagine, Holly, that's horrifying. I'm 177 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: so sorry. I'm glad you left that out until just 178 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 1: now so I could be horrified along with everybody on 179 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: in the audience. Up to the eighteen eighties, there was 180 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 1: really no development in this area either. But in the 181 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: eighteen nineties at Denver, Taylor decided to give up city 182 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: life for the sake of his health and then to 183 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: come for this strange, forsaken canyon place and start a 184 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 1: small ranch up in the roost. His name was J. B. Burr, 185 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: That is b u h R, not bu r R 186 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: like Aaron Burr who you should vote for if it's uh. 187 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,959 Speaker 1: Along with brothers, two of his brothers, they started sort 188 00:09:58,000 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: of shaping the land a little bit, making it not 189 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: quite so untamed, and they founded what would come to 190 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: be known as the Three Brief the Three Beat Ranch, 191 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: one b for each bur brother, and troughs were built 192 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: to make use of the roost spring water uh so 193 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: livestock could hydrate more easily. Of course, they had to 194 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: supplied this ranch, and a portion of the roost was 195 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 1: fenced in, like they were really trying to settle this place. 196 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: And when Burr's foreman position turned over, the ranch headquarters 197 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: also moved. So this is one of those things where 198 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: there are there's like where the ranch is, but the 199 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: headquarters is sort of more like a mobile. I think 200 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: it's not necessarily in one place. It's where whoever is 201 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: running the thing wants to be central to where he 202 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: thinks is most important. For the herds, so just in 203 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: case that's unclear. Uh. And this new foreman, John Cattrell, 204 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: eventually married the widow of another Roost settler who had 205 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: died while he was moving a group of horses he 206 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: had raised and moved into Colorado to sell for mine work. 207 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: So cal built this cabin for his family at the roost, 208 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: and he slowly expanded the markers of human beings actually 209 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: being there. Uh. The family didn't permanently stay at the Roost. 210 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: They eventually moved on to the more populated area of 211 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: Hanksville and a man named John Moore took over as 212 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: the foreman. I think you mean Jack Moore. Oh sure, 213 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:21,079 Speaker 1: I name Jack Moore, but Jack is a nickname for John. 214 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 1: It is. It's not like this happens every single time 215 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: we record, and our producer Noll takes it magically all 216 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: out because he is a sorcerer. Uh. And this change 217 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: in personnel to from Catrell to Jack Moore was actually 218 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 1: pretty significant. It enacted a pretty big change in the 219 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: nature of the roost because it really seeded the start 220 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: of the wild bunch. More was friendly with a number 221 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: of outlaws who all seemed to know exactly where the 222 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: three D Ranch was and that they could show up 223 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: there and that they would be welcomed and they would 224 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 1: have shelter and water and their needs meant. And eventually 225 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: a number of the outlaws who became well acquainted with 226 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: the Three Bees hospitality would be the ones that formed 227 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: into Butch Cassidy's Wild Bunch. I like how it seems 228 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: like it was some kind of like ranching outlaw farm. 229 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: I think that was not uncommon at the time, like 230 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: a lot of places where you know, it was an 231 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,719 Speaker 1: unsettled wild time. So if you had a friend there 232 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: was maybe a little dicey, but you know, if he 233 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: showed up, you'd take care of him. Sure, you don't 234 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:20,839 Speaker 1: do that for your front should be hospitable. Oh you're 235 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: on the lamb. I have cake. I think at this 236 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 1: point it might have been more like bourbon bourbon cake. Yeah. 237 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 1: So Jack Moore was this tall, dark haired guy, and 238 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: he had also gone by the name of d and 239 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 1: he was an excellent horseman and even better tracker. So, 240 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: as with the foreman who came before him, he moved 241 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: the headquarters of the ranch and he built a shock 242 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: in Burr Pass, which would be closer to where the 243 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: horses fed. He also added a tent and uh, and 244 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: he ended up with more and more people to shelter. 245 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: It was this mix of ranch hands and outlaws and 246 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: outlaw ranch hands. Yeah, there was one thing that I 247 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: read that suggested that he only ever hired one actually 248 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: honest ranch hand, that the rest were sort of people 249 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: that were looking for a job while they kind of 250 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: let the law situation cool off out. And while his 251 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: new location for the headquarters was closer to feed for 252 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: the horses, it really wasn't the best spot for water. 253 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: It's one of those things where you find yourself scratching 254 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: your head and going, really, is this a valid trade off? 255 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: The horses actually had to be driven to water once 256 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: a day, like they just didn't have a continuous source, 257 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: and that sometimes water would be carried in from a 258 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: nearby spring as well. So it seems like he was 259 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: making a lot of extra work. But it couldn't have 260 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,679 Speaker 1: been too rough because the camp that he set up 261 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: was where the three B crew in all of the 262 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 1: ranch hands for quite some time camped for more than 263 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: a decade. Seems like ten years of wasting your time, 264 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: right stuff to do, not driving horses back and forth. 265 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: The water. Eventually, Jack Moore's wife, Nora, and her brother 266 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: Monty Butler, moved from Colorado to join Jack at the Roost, 267 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: and Auntie and his family didn't stay more than a 268 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: couple of years before they moved back, but Nora settled in. 269 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: Burr really liked her, and she would there's some screaming happening. 270 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: They really liked Burr and Nora as well. App I mean, 271 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: who doesn't really, so you really liked her and she 272 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: would look after him. Was when his asthma flared up, 273 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: and she added kind of a touch of refinement to 274 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: the ranch by decorating a little and insisting that some 275 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: of the men exhibit some manners. This definitely feels like 276 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: the plot of like a Western Yeah it does. Uh yeah, 277 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: I mean she it was. She just didn't want them to, 278 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: like I swear while they were, you know, all having 279 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: meals together, and she didn't want them to just put 280 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: their boots everywhere, like classic sitcom level stuff. But the 281 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: really lovely thing is nobody seemed to begrudge her that 282 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: they were like, oh yes, ma'am uh. And while most 283 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: real outlaw work happened in warmer weather because snow obviously 284 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: creates a number of problems in terms of making a 285 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: quick getaway on not slippery surfaces and not being just 286 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: followed by her foot and Ryan being easily tracked because 287 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: you leave footprints in the snow. Jack had this insight 288 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: knowing that the winters were a time when most of 289 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: the ranchers actually stayed in their safe and warm homes 290 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: and we're not at the headquarters of the actual ranching, 291 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: and they did not often, if ever, actually make it 292 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: out to their camps to check on things. They kind 293 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: of left it to the their employees that were a 294 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: little bit, you know, sort of rough around the edges 295 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: and could stand that sort of situation through the winter. 296 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: And so he took advantage of this by often moving 297 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: herds in the winter. So by moving, what we really 298 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: mean is stealing. Uh. He would basically mix up heads 299 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: of cattle from one ranch and another and break them 300 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: up and move them around. And this meant that if 301 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: the owners did come out and check to see what 302 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: was going on, it would seem like most of their 303 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: cattle were there and doing fine. I started to wonder 304 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: if this is where the slang term for wrestling actually 305 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: comes from, because that seems like I mean, not this 306 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: person inventing it, but like that this practice of kind 307 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: of mixing up cattle, I couldn't figure it out, but 308 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: uh that this wasn't unusual. Herds moved around, and most 309 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: ranches had several herds and they didn't go check on 310 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: them all every day or anything like that. Um, So 311 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: once Jack had kind of shuffled them around a bit, 312 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: he would move them away farther and sell them in Colorado, 313 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: which is not California. Yeah, it's kind of like to 314 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: liken it to modern day like if you have ever 315 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: had one of those high level executives in the place 316 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: where you work that is not hands on. They kind 317 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: of go in their office and shut the door and 318 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: then the middle managers are really running the show and 319 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: know what's happening. It's kind of like that, like those 320 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: people that owned the ranches often couldn't they didn't know 321 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: their herds by sight, Like they couldn't say, oh I 322 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: know that that cow and that horse and that. They 323 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: were just like, oh, yeah, you've got this covered right, 324 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: and they would go, yes, sir, they scooted their animals 325 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: away to illicit sale. So eventually, though the wrestling did 326 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: catch up to Jack, Moore is the Burr. It was 327 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: actually closing. He ended up shot while he was fleeing 328 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: from another rancher whose livestock he had stolen. Uh. Then 329 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: a lot of cases, this is sort of described as 330 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: like they would, you know, realize in the spring that 331 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: some of the flock had gone missing, and they would 332 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: kind of shrug it off and just write it off 333 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:18,959 Speaker 1: as a loss. But they started noticing a lot of 334 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: the a lot of the herds under Jack started to 335 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: vanish and maybe he was really bad at his job, 336 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: or maybe he was just an outright thief, and they 337 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: realized that. So Moore's wife Nora and J. B. Burr 338 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: actually ended up together uh and they headed for Texas, 339 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: but not for long. They ended up dying unfortunately in 340 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: a railroad accident the following year. So we will now 341 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 1: get to the most famous person he was associated with 342 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 1: the rus. But before we do, we'll stop for a 343 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 1: word from a sponsor. Learning is something that we constantly 344 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: look forward to. It's one of the best parts about 345 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: our job. 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Uh, he would come to be a central 380 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: figure in the Lord of Roberts roost. Parker was born 381 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: in Beaver, Utah on April eighteen sixty six. Beaver, Utah Natives. 382 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,959 Speaker 1: Where is that in relation to here? Okay? All right, 383 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: now we know Beaver only a very happening spot. Um. 384 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:06,360 Speaker 1: His Mormon parents, Maximilian Parker and a Gillies, were both 385 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 1: from immigrant families. They had made their way to Utah 386 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: from Britain ten years prior to his birth, and while 387 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: the couple had a pretty promising start. They were kind 388 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:15,959 Speaker 1: of setting up their home and it looked like they 389 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 1: were going to be doing okay as farmers. A really 390 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 1: brutal winter in eighteen seventy nine wiped out most of 391 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: their livestock, and the Parkers really struggled to regain that 392 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: lost ground for a long time. However, they had twelve 393 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: more children. Uh. Roberts started working as a ranch hand 394 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: when he was just a teenager, and it was through 395 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: one of these jobs that he met up with a 396 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: man named Mike Cassidy. He was a ranger with a 397 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: kind of side business that I'm gonna do it to 398 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: you again because he's not a ranger. He's not a ranger, 399 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 1: he's a rancher. They're so pretty. Tracy is legitimately one 400 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 1: of the smartest seasons I have ever met. So when 401 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: I teach her, that's apparently I'm illiterate today for some reason. 402 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: And uh so, Mike Cassidy was in fact a livestock rustler. 403 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: I even printed this out really big so that I 404 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: would not have this problem. Okay, So Parker looked up 405 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: to Cassidy and working with him as a part time 406 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: cattle wrestler in the eighteen eighties. Robert hid the livestock 407 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:25,239 Speaker 1: that he was moving at Robbers Roost, and Cassidy had 408 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: taken Parker on because he was young, he was strong, 409 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 1: he was not afraid of hard work. He was willing 410 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: to do the work of trail breaking groups of horses 411 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 1: as they moved them, which is not easy to their 412 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: final sale point. And because Parker had been responsible for 413 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: handling his own family's livestock, he was really already pretty 414 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 1: skilled in all of this. He just didn't need a 415 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: lot of effort to be gotten up to speed. So 416 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: he was a really good employee for stealing UH and 417 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: he made some of those early runs through the area 418 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: with the experienced Cat Brown that we mentioned earlier, and 419 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 1: they were both working for Cassidy at that point. In 420 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: eighteen eighty four, after working a variety of ore hauling 421 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 1: jobs in this brief foray into working as a butcher 422 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: and Rock Springs, Wyoming, Parker, who was too too wrestless 423 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: for a regular job, decided to make they move into 424 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: full time illegal work UH and he became Butch Cassidy, 425 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: allegedly choosing this name UH after his mentor in wrestling, 426 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,199 Speaker 1: and then as well as the nickname Butch from his 427 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,919 Speaker 1: brief time as a butcher. And for the next several 428 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: years he worked on several ranches and also wrestled livestock, 429 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: and he would often move them through various points in 430 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: the Outlaw trail. And in June of eighteen eighty nine, 431 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: Cassidy and another man that he had met wrestling cattle. 432 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: This is apparently the friendliest job, Like you just have 433 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: your pals that you wrestled cattle with. UH named Matt 434 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,159 Speaker 1: Warner robbed a bank in Colorado, and it was the 435 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,360 Speaker 1: San Miguel Valley Bank located until your Ride. And as 436 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: this incident is cited as Butch Cassidy's first bank robbery, 437 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: this is something of a point of historical pride for 438 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 1: tell your righte And the site of the crime, which 439 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: is now an office building, is actually marked with a 440 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: plaque commemorating it today. That cracks me up. Crime happened, Uh. 441 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: Cassidy and Warner had both spent some time until You're riding, 442 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 1: including sometimes spent racing horses there the previous year, so 443 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: they knew this area and they had been able to 444 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: set up these horse relays for a clear escape plan, 445 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 1: and they cut in some accomplices on their takes so 446 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 1: that they could have their assistance along the way. Yeah. 447 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: One of the cool things that which Cassidy did was 448 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 1: he would set up these horse relays, like he wouldn't 449 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: just sort of take off after a crime and run 450 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: his horse into the ground, like every twenty miles. He 451 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: would have somebody standing by with fresh horses so he 452 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: could trade off and not have to be basically like 453 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 1: riding an animal that was exhausted and just completely stacked 454 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: the deck in his favor, which is I mean, he's 455 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: doing illegal things, but it's pretty genius. And they made 456 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: off with dollars in this robbery, and their hideaway while 457 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,479 Speaker 1: the heat died down was none other than the craggy, 458 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 1: unwelcoming landscape of robbers roost, and as the incident is 459 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 1: cited as Butch's first bank robbery, I mentioned that it 460 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: is a point of of pride. Like I said, Tell 461 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: your Ride loves to tell this story. They have parades 462 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: about it. Um I don't. I don't want to go 463 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: to like the Tell your Ride robbery parade, right. I 464 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 1: make sure a lot of people it's like comic combat. 465 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 1: Everyone's addressed as a bandit or a cowboy. Like they're 466 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: all either in the black and white stripes of like 467 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: a criminal, like an imprison criminal, or they're in the 468 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: ten gallon hat. You're only options sounds good? Uh? Is 469 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: this where we are in eighteen ninety four? I got 470 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: distracted with thinking about a parade of outlaws. Uh. In 471 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: Butch was charged with stealing a five dollar horse, and 472 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 1: he was found guilty. And it's possible that this was 473 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 1: actually a set up that he had purchased the horse 474 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: from somebody not knowing that it was stolen. Uh. And 475 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 1: had that been introduced in the trial, that could have 476 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 1: changed the outcome. He wound up serving eighteen months in 477 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 1: prison for the crime. That he got out on good behavior, 478 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: behavior and maybe also a promise to the governor of 479 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: Wyoming that he wouldn't keep stealing cattle and horses from 480 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: the ranchers anymore. Yeah. There's also some historical theory that 481 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 1: part of why he got out early was that they 482 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:19,919 Speaker 1: realized that they had kind of messed up in the 483 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 1: trial and not disclosed that he may have not even 484 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 1: known he was purchasing stolen goods, which would have made 485 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: him automatically innocent. Uh So. Unfortunately, though, when he was 486 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: released in January of eight he jumped right back into 487 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 1: his life of crime. So any sympathy you just had 488 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: like you can get rid of it, don't feel guilt. Uh. 489 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,199 Speaker 1: But Rustling was more or less behind him, so his 490 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: criminal behavior after prison was pretty much focused on robbing 491 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: banks and trains, also probably easier than moving herds of 492 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: animals through really horrible terrain. And this is really when 493 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: the Wild Bunch formed, uh, though it was always a 494 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: fairly loose association. Yeah, and they didn't really run willy 495 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: nilly into their robberies either. They were all very very 496 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: carefully planned under the leadership of Butch Cassidy. The robbers 497 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: roost area and the other hideouts in the Outlaw Trail 498 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 1: also really factored into these plans and really important ways. 499 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: For one thing, the men could store supplies and horses 500 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: in these getaways and hideaways that they would have everything 501 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 1: they needed to survive when they were done with their job. 502 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 1: And then they also had the means to run and 503 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: hide when it became necessary. I while we were talking 504 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: at lunch today, I likened Butch Cassidy to like Tracy's 505 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: dreamboat of a Wild West figure, because I think he 506 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: really would have loved a good spreadsheet, Like he was 507 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: such a planner, which Tracy also is, and he really 508 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,360 Speaker 1: was just meticulous in laying out everything he was going 509 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: to do uh. And additionally, having these predetermined meet up 510 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: places arrangement that the men after they committed a crime 511 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,719 Speaker 1: could scatter in different directions because they knew where they 512 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: were all going to meet up and made pursuit by 513 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: authorities extremely challenging. And of course these spots on the 514 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: Outlaw Trey remained very difficult to reach, with only a 515 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: few key points of entry UH and those were difficult 516 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 1: to manage without a pretty high degree of familiarity. So 517 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 1: even if someone were to chase someone into one of 518 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: these spots, if you don't know where the trail is 519 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 1: going to turn or get steeper, get weird, you're in 520 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 1: a lot of trouble in a hurry. So very often 521 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: Butch Cassidy is named along with the Sundance Kid, and 522 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 1: we don't really know when they met for sure. The 523 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: Sundance Kid was Harry Longabaugh and he most likely started 524 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: appearing at various points on the Outlaw Trail the same 525 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 1: year that but Cassidy was released from prison. UH. And 526 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 1: so a lot of criminals and gangs hit out along 527 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: the Outlaw Trail, and they would also sometimes team up, 528 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: so It's likely that the two of them met through 529 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,919 Speaker 1: some kind of cooperative crime network, uh sometime in or 530 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: shortly after. And we mentioned that there were some ranchers 531 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 1: settling this area, and you may wonder why they seemed 532 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: to be okay with all these outlaws hanging out in 533 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: their hood. Uh. And it seems that at this point 534 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: the bandits who like to hang out there really had 535 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: a pretty good relationship with the people that lived there. Again, 536 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: they had moved away from wrestling, uh and they were 537 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: really moving on to the more lucrative robbery business. They 538 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: just didn't there wasn't an adversarial situation there at that 539 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 1: point in time. Maybe they were contributing a lot to 540 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,879 Speaker 1: the local economy with their stolen money. They were I 541 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: think we mentioned that later. Okay, I read this like 542 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: six times before we came in here. Uh, So most 543 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: of you have probably heard that. Butch Cassidy was really 544 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 1: known as being a nice guy. Some of the Wild 545 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: Bunch cohorts tended to be a little more violent, but 546 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: he really didn't seem to and allegedly even cut some 547 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 1: of the robbers roost residents in on his fortunes and 548 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: he would give them money help them pay for their land. 549 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: He made allies of all of them by treating them 550 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: really well. And to Butch Cassidy, if you had to 551 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 1: kill somebody during a robbery, you were doing a bad job. 552 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 1: He really insisted on very careful casing and pre planning 553 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: for every heist that would help him avoid ever having 554 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: to kill anybody, so would just be stealing, not murdering. 555 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: In his highs, it's a victim was crime, the steal 556 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,719 Speaker 1: from rich dudes. You'll sometimes hear him referred to as 557 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: sort of a wild West Robin Hood because he was 558 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: there are people who, you know, came forward at various 559 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: points and said, he helped me pay off my land 560 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: when I was struggling, and he, you know, helped buy 561 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: horses when I had trouble with my my ranch. And 562 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: so he really had made this amazing not only a 563 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: network of thieves and criminals that he were willing to 564 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: work with him, but also perfectly law abiding citizens that 565 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: were very comfortable having him around. So kind of the 566 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: best of both worlds um in the late summer summery. 567 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: In the late summer of eight, Cassidy, along with Elsa 568 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: Lay and Harvey Logan, robbed the Mont Pelier Bank in 569 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: mont Pelier, Idaho. While the Sundance Kid is often discussed 570 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 1: as though he is which Cassidy's best friend Elsa was 571 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: really that person? Uh? In real life they were very 572 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: very very close. His name was actually William Ellsworth Lay, 573 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: And they were so close that people that really knew 574 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: them well wondered which of them was actually the brains 575 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: of all of these operations because they worked so well 576 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: together and they would trade ideas like they really had 577 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 1: what would today be considered like an optimal office relationship. Uh. 578 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: They just they didn't have like ego that troubled either 579 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: of them. They just had like a great equal partnership 580 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: and they could collaborate really well. 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Did I 617 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: say that earlier? Okay, I don't think so. Yeah, it's 618 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: like e l z y, But it was pronounced elsa. 619 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: Apparently it's in the notes in all capital letters. Just 620 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 1: so neither of us misses that. In April of eighteen 621 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 1: ninety seven, Lay and Cassidy held up the Pleasant Valley 622 00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: Coal Company in Castlegate, Utah. And this abbery took place 623 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: in broad daylight at a train station, and they came 624 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 1: away with seven thousand dollars worth of gold. And the 625 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 1: next two big robberies on the part of the Wild 626 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: Bunch were so massive that in some way they kind 627 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: of spelled the heyday, uh, the end of the heyday 628 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: of robbers roost as a bandit hideout. So that we 629 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: should point out that there is some ongoing debate about 630 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: the level of which Cassidy's involvement in these two There 631 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: is evidence on both sides of that discussion. But regardless 632 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 1: of whether he was actually at both of them, or 633 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: one of them, or even neither of them, they definitely 634 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: impacted his life because he was associated with them. The 635 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: first was on June two near Wilcox, Wyoming. Six men 636 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: common beer to Union Pacific train, the Overland Flyer, and 637 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: they dynamite at the baggage car. The roof and the 638 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,719 Speaker 1: sides of the car were blown off and they managed 639 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: to steal more than fifty thousand dollars in cash, gold, 640 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 1: and other valuables. And the second big robbery took place 641 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 1: on Guy d and the target was once again a 642 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 1: Union Pacific train, this time near tipped In, Wyoming, and 643 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: it was the same m O. The bandits used dynamite 644 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 1: to blow up a safe in one of the cars. 645 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: They snatched everything of value that they could, and then 646 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 1: they took off on horseback. And what I didn't include 647 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 1: in these notes, but I should mention is that a 648 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 1: lot of people will tell you when these come up, 649 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 1: particularly if they're into bandit lower that they really were 650 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 1: like into overkill with the dynamite, Like, they went way 651 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 1: further than they ever had to. You shouldn't have to 652 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,839 Speaker 1: blow the roof and sides off the car to get 653 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,359 Speaker 1: into the safe uh. And they did the same thing again. 654 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 1: It does make a good shot in a movie though. Yes. 655 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: And there's actually a photograph of one of these trains 656 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: that's just kind of a blown out like skeleton of 657 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: a train. It looks like a line drawing where a 658 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:48,280 Speaker 1: train once was. Um And while the loss was initially 659 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 1: reported as less than sixty dollars, in truth it is 660 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: believed that the wild Bunch made off with more than 661 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,799 Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars uh and that the railroad was in 662 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: fact very concerned that if they revealed the enormity of 663 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 1: this heist that uh one, it would evidence the lack 664 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 1: of security on their trains and to one of their 665 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 1: big businesses, which was moving expensive and valuable things back 666 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: and forth, would completely vanish. We had this whole conversation 667 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,280 Speaker 1: Lens for I was like, Holly, this says sixty dollars, 668 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,840 Speaker 1: but this says fifty thousand dollars. Is this sixty dollars 669 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: thing a type out new Yeah? I think one of 670 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 1: the reported numbers was actually fifty two dollars and eighty cents, 671 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: which is oddly specific and ridiculously low. So after the 672 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: first robbery, an eighteen thousand dollar bounty had been placed 673 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,360 Speaker 1: on the Wild Bunch, dead or alive, and after the 674 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,360 Speaker 1: second the heat continued to build. Detectives from the Pinkerton 675 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 1: Agency came in. There was an array, an array of 676 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 1: posse's who all went on the hunt for the Wild Bunch, 677 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: and the crew, in various iterations, was still kind of 678 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: doing some robberies. They became a lot harder, and the men, 679 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 1: uh for the most part, started to put some distance 680 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 1: between themselves and the Outlaw Trail during this time, because 681 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: people knew they hung out there. So they regrouped brief 682 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 1: briefly in Fort Worth, Texas. And if you have ever seen, uh, 683 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: there's a really famous picture of Butch Sun Dance, Will Carver, 684 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: Harvey Logan, and Ben Kilpatrick. And they look crazy, just 685 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,839 Speaker 1: insanely dapper. They look so handsome, every one of them, 686 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 1: and they look like businessmen. Uh. That photo was actually 687 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,719 Speaker 1: taken while they were in Fort Worth on the run. 688 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:28,279 Speaker 1: It became nicknamed the Fort Worth five photograph. So at 689 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: this point, their jobs, their jobs as thieves, we're getting 690 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 1: more and more difficult because of the notoriety that they 691 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,319 Speaker 1: had developed. The Pinkerton's are starting to close in. But 692 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: in the Sun Dance made the decision to leave the 693 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,439 Speaker 1: country in n one and they headed for Argentina. After 694 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 1: they set out for South America, the Roots sort of 695 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 1: lost its appeal as a hideout to the other outlaws. 696 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 1: Without Cassidy's leadership and his propensity for planning all of 697 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 1: these uh pretty successful robberies, the members of the Wild 698 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 1: Bunch who were still survived, having and also not in prison, 699 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: kind of fell apart. So whether or not Butch and 700 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 1: Sundance died in South America or made their way back 701 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 1: to the United States as a matter of debate in 702 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,919 Speaker 1: that movie that I thought they were just characters from 703 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:17,440 Speaker 1: the They spoiler alert get killed in a shootout in Bolivia, 704 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 1: and that's a standard history that was told for a 705 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,400 Speaker 1: really long time. They're actually graves of them in Bolivia. 706 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 1: But I churned up this one thing, and I wasn't 707 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:26,799 Speaker 1: I just didn't have the time to go back and 708 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,359 Speaker 1: verify all of it. But apparently there was actually an 709 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,879 Speaker 1: exhumation we know we all love exhumations, right. Uh, there 710 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 1: was an exhumation performed and those those remains were tested 711 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,839 Speaker 1: and they were not butch and Sundance. Uh, they were 712 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,960 Speaker 1: not believed to be Americans at all. In fact, so 713 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,759 Speaker 1: the people that we thought were buried there's which in 714 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,880 Speaker 1: Sundance aren't. So that gives a little more credence for 715 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 1: the fact that they possibly made their way back to 716 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:49,959 Speaker 1: the U. S And there are some reports of people 717 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,680 Speaker 1: that will say that they saw them in the US 718 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 1: and that they had visited their families. So, throughout its 719 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: time as a criminal haven, lawman of every stripe had 720 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 1: attempted to run down the outlaws who were known to 721 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 1: hide out at Robbers Roost, but most of those efforts 722 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,960 Speaker 1: went without reward. It was simply too difficult to navigate 723 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 1: the area, like we said, for those who did not 724 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 1: know it extremely well, and finding someone who was hiding 725 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,319 Speaker 1: there was difficult even for an accomplished rider if they 726 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,839 Speaker 1: didn't know their way around the outlaw trail specifically, really, 727 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,120 Speaker 1: most people who were working for the authorities did not 728 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,360 Speaker 1: really care about chasing down anybody who was in Robbers Roost. 729 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 1: It was rumored to be incredibly well fort fortified and 730 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 1: exceptionally defended. And part of that reputation was built, of course, 731 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 1: on lots of tall tales and outright falsehoods that had 732 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,640 Speaker 1: been spread around it. Um. According to the account of C. L. Maxwell, 733 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,800 Speaker 1: who was something of a wanna be criminal in spite 734 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: of the fact that he was nicknamed Gunplay, the roost 735 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 1: had kind of an outlaw militia that was guarding it, 736 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:54,839 Speaker 1: and it had two men as that outlaw militia guard. Yeah. 737 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,399 Speaker 1: That's uh, basically just a big fib that he was telling. Uh. 738 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,920 Speaker 1: They did have amazing lookout point there that they could 739 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 1: see people coming, that the people coming could not see 740 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,720 Speaker 1: them at all. But in this account that cel Maxwell 741 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,080 Speaker 1: put together, it was in a letter that he sent 742 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:12,239 Speaker 1: to Utah's first governor, uh, Governor Wells, which Maxwell penned 743 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 1: while he was in prison doing time for a bungled 744 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,720 Speaker 1: bank robbery. Like we said, he was not the best criminal, uh. 745 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,719 Speaker 1: According to him, in this the roots had a really 746 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:24,240 Speaker 1: sophisticated defense system. They had plentiful ammunition, they had land mines, 747 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 1: they had tunnels and have this stuff. Um, they had 748 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,279 Speaker 1: some of this stuff, not all of this stuff, and 749 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 1: it Bears, mentioning that while Gunplay Maxwell really yearned to 750 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,959 Speaker 1: be a part of the Wild Bunch, he was never 751 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,239 Speaker 1: really welcomed into the group. He seemed kind of like 752 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 1: a little bit of a poser. Uh. And they were like, 753 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,240 Speaker 1: that's nice, You're not one of us. He's like the tagalog. 754 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,880 Speaker 1: But can we go? Come here? Now? Can we go? 755 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 1: I can totally help you rob some stuff. So if 756 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 1: you're wondering what happens to Butch's old friend, his best friend, 757 00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 1: Elsa Lay, he was in prison when Butch and Sunday 758 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,320 Speaker 1: left the country. He had been found guilty of robbery 759 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,919 Speaker 1: and murder. Uh. And this was in a Wild Bunch 760 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,600 Speaker 1: hold up of a train near Folsom, New Mexico. He 761 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 1: eventually was pardoned after helping to diffuse a riot in 762 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,680 Speaker 1: which the warden's wife and daughter had been taken hostage. 763 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,399 Speaker 1: After he was released in nineteen o six, he lived 764 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,960 Speaker 1: a pretty much law abiding life until he died in 765 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,839 Speaker 1: Los Angeles. At Yeah, he's like one of the I mean, 766 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,560 Speaker 1: I guess you could say he's one of the success 767 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,160 Speaker 1: stories of robberts Rouse because so many of these guys 768 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,799 Speaker 1: just did not make it into their advanced years. They 769 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,360 Speaker 1: just didn't survive that long. Their lifestyle was not conducive 770 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:39,400 Speaker 1: to longevity. Um, and then we're gonna end on this 771 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,520 Speaker 1: really lovely poem that I found. So Joe Biddlecomb, who 772 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,840 Speaker 1: had a ranch in the Heart of Robbers Roost Territory 773 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,719 Speaker 1: sixty five miles which is about a hundred five kilometers 774 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,440 Speaker 1: south of Green River, Utah, is said to have written 775 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,840 Speaker 1: this poem about the Roost, and it appeared in the 776 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,560 Speaker 1: nineteen thirty eight book The Outlaw Trail, A History of 777 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,520 Speaker 1: Which Cassidy and his Wild Bunch. And whether this poem 778 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,759 Speaker 1: is truly Joe Biddlecome's work or someone else's, it's sort 779 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,319 Speaker 1: of a nice, lovely way to summarize the way that 780 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,080 Speaker 1: the Roost was seen by people living in the area 781 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,480 Speaker 1: at the time when this activity was going on. And 782 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,560 Speaker 1: it reads in part, this isn't the entirety of it. 783 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,719 Speaker 1: In the eastern end of Wayne County. There is a 784 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:18,080 Speaker 1: lovely spring, the Robbers Roost is its name to it. 785 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 1: Fond memories cling one drink of it, you lose your 786 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:25,839 Speaker 1: hope to your religions gone three you want to rob 787 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:30,880 Speaker 1: a bank before another dawn. So that is the story 788 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 1: of Robber's Roost. It was just sort of a wonderful 789 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,960 Speaker 1: piece of history that is right by you guys. So uh, 790 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,280 Speaker 1: we love it. I love all of the good bank 791 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,839 Speaker 1: robbery fun stuff, even though I know that's not good 792 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,120 Speaker 1: to love. Kind of like talking about outlaws, Yeah, outlaws 793 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 1: are always fascinating. And this is kind of an easy 794 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:49,920 Speaker 1: one where you don't have to feel as guilty because 795 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,560 Speaker 1: Butch Cassidy was such a nice guy in many regards, 796 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,160 Speaker 1: and he did a horror violence, so it's a little 797 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,399 Speaker 1: easier to be comfortable saying, oh, I love all these 798 00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:08,600 Speaker 1: robbery stories. We should mention as a wrap up that 799 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,760 Speaker 1: one of our audience members told us that she actually 800 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,000 Speaker 1: lives in the robbers Roost area and that poem that 801 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:14,960 Speaker 1: we read at the end was actually the work of 802 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,120 Speaker 1: Joe Pittlecome's wife. So yeah, we want to once again 803 00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,400 Speaker 1: thanks Salt Like Comic Con for inviting us to be 804 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,879 Speaker 1: part of their show. They do such a wonderful job 805 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:27,120 Speaker 1: of putting together a really vibrant convention with an incredible staff. 806 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:31,200 Speaker 1: It's amazingly well organized. The convention center where it's held, 807 00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:36,319 Speaker 1: it's beautiful. The area where the convention center is located 808 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:41,840 Speaker 1: is beautiful. It's a wonderful show. I love it, love it, 809 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:43,800 Speaker 1: love it. I love the people that work it, I 810 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,279 Speaker 1: love being there. So thank you, Thank you Salt Like 811 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,440 Speaker 1: Comic com because we had a wonderful time. And now 812 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,720 Speaker 1: I think Holly has a little listener mail to close 813 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:56,200 Speaker 1: us out. Yeah, this one is shorty, It's a postcard 814 00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,879 Speaker 1: and it is from our listener, Lisa. She says, Dear 815 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,759 Speaker 1: Holly and Tracy, greeting from Denver, Colorado. So it's kind 816 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,640 Speaker 1: of close to the area we were talking about today, 817 00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,000 Speaker 1: uh in the podcast. I have no idea what condition 818 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,360 Speaker 1: this will arrive in, but hopefully it will be legible. 819 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,240 Speaker 1: As I've been wanting to write you for some time. 820 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,320 Speaker 1: I absolutely love the podcast and I recommend it to everyone. 821 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,880 Speaker 1: Thank you for the many hours of entertainment and learning. 822 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,240 Speaker 1: I thought you might appreciate this little piece of colored 823 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,960 Speaker 1: fashion in gratitude for your content. Thank you, Lisa. So 824 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,320 Speaker 1: she sent a beautiful um postcard with some art deco 825 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,600 Speaker 1: fashion on it, which is wonderful in and of itself. 826 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,520 Speaker 1: But what I really really loved. Any of you that 827 00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,800 Speaker 1: have listened to listener Mail for very long have probably 828 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,560 Speaker 1: heard me say at various points on the curve that 829 00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:43,440 Speaker 1: when we get postcards, often some postal stamping has obscured 830 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,600 Speaker 1: some or part of the message or a person's name. 831 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,759 Speaker 1: So Lisa did this amazing smart thing, which is that 832 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,959 Speaker 1: she laminated her postcard so nothing could have scared any 833 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,960 Speaker 1: part of it. So she did the perfect job. It 834 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,800 Speaker 1: absolutely worked like a charm. I don't know if there's 835 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,400 Speaker 1: any shagrio in on the part of the post office 836 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,399 Speaker 1: at people laminating things, but it sure did keep any 837 00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,200 Speaker 1: postal marks from obscuring anything. So thank you, thank you, 838 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,239 Speaker 1: Thank you, Lisa. If you would like to write to us, 839 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,279 Speaker 1: you can do so at History podcast at how stuff 840 00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,760 Speaker 1: works dot com. You can also find us across pretty 841 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:18,160 Speaker 1: much any social media network with the tag at mist 842 00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,680 Speaker 1: in history. 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