1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: Welcome the episode three fifty. It's a good one. I 2 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: want to talk less here and just get to it 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: because because I don't know what to expect with Gavin. 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: I'd met him before, he had played with the Raging 5 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: Idiots once at our Ryman show a few years ago, 6 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: and he was so good. I just remember him singing, 7 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: and I've heard him singing before, but I was right 8 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: beside him and I was like, holy crap, Like he's 9 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: just different good. So what I want to do is 10 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: play this. And we went for over an hour and 11 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: just the guy put his heart on a sleeve, So 12 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to really cloud it up. 13 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: But what we're gonna do is we're gonna play the 14 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: full interview and then we're gonna play because we're gonna 15 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: insert some stuff from the show at the end of this. Right, Mike, 16 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: what are we doing at the end of this? Him 17 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 1: talking about I don't want to be playing it. So 18 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 1: what happened in this interview is we started talking about 19 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: his family, which he's got a really great story. He 20 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:50,520 Speaker 1: grew up in a town with a bunch of prisons. 21 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: His dad was a prison guard. He'll tell you all 22 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: about it. And we started talking about his life so 23 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,279 Speaker 1: much that I never wanted to pivot it and go 24 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: to like I don't want to be or the hits 25 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: because what we were doing was so cool. You'll see why. 26 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 1: But then I took a clip from the radio show 27 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: that's coming up next week and he tells that story 28 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: as well, So we kind of paired that on the 29 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: back for everybody that wants to hear that there's a 30 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: good one that I remember him leaving. And I was like, dang, 31 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: that's for real. Yeah, it's very real. It's a good one. Yeah. 32 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: Uh So. Gavin Degarraw his new record, Face the River, 33 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: came out May twentie. It is very good. It is 34 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: inspired by his late parents, Wayne and Lynn. He will 35 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: tell you all about that. He teamed up with Facebook 36 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: to film a six part docusea Rate. It's out now 37 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 1: about the album. You can check that out. And here 38 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: is Gavin DeGraw Episode three fifty Enjoy. So you're in 39 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 1: a bar, I know, in town, but is it on Broadway? Broadway? 40 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: Do you go? Do you go? Do you work it? 41 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: And I asked, because I have I have a few 42 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: gyms here, but I am part owner have the gym 43 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: of the gym. Have three gyms here? Cool. I don't 44 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: ever go in. I mean I going to work out, 45 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: but I don't. That's not my specialty. You know. I 46 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: told jokes and I do radio TV shows because I would. 47 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm doing. But do you what 48 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: do you do there? Um? I'm not real handy in 49 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: the bar business? Yeah? Same, That's what I wonder when 50 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: I said you owned it, I wonder do you go 51 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 1: in and actually like, all right, you're gonna work this shift? 52 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 1: Hey Clark, you're up here. No, I could never do that. 53 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: I can't do that just because, Uh, I wouldn't be 54 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: able to tell someone they don't have a shift, uh 55 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: unless they were like mean to me, you know what 56 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: I mean, only a punishment you could you got no 57 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:39,519 Speaker 1: shift today? You know? So do you oversee or did 58 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: you buy in as a partner and you tell me 59 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: all this? I was just wondering because I have the 60 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: same kind of situation, and I wonder maybe Gavig just 61 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: way way more into being something other than an artist. No. 62 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: I mean, don't get me wrong, I like I like 63 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: to gamble, right, um, but I don't gamble at tables. 64 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 1: I'm like, but with my life guy. You know, it 65 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 1: seems a little more dangerous. At first, I was like, yeah, yeah. 66 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: I was like, oh no, I don't Yeah, yeah, I'm 67 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 1: over table. Okay, Okay, I don't. I don't know anything 68 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: about that. But but but I don't know, it's a 69 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: gamble with Uh. I don't know. There's something about like 70 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: going all in on stuff and and taking taking risks 71 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 1: with with things. Um No, I don't know all about 72 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: the bar business. I just grew up in bars, so 73 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: a bar bar thing felt pretty natural. How did that 74 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: come to you or did you go to it? Like 75 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: did you pursue? All Right, I'm gonna go find a 76 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: bar or a club whatever it is, you know. Um, alright, 77 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: so my brother and I we got in a into 78 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: a bar. Uh. We got in the bar business in 79 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: New York City in um man, We generated a lot 80 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: of money. So you're already doing it a little bit. 81 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: Then you've done this before. Yeah, we had a bar 82 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: for like five years before we got a bar here 83 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: in Nashville. So we had a bar in the Lower 84 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: East Side, like right a Houseton and Allen in Manhattan. 85 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: And we did it because we wanted to have We 86 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: were just you know, we did a lot of drinking. 87 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: So we're like, we're doing we're spending so much of 88 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: my dream. We made as well buy a bar anyway, 89 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: you know. And then um, and a lot of us 90 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: are friends with musicians because we're musicians. We grew up 91 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: playing in bars. You know. I was a teenager playing 92 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 1: bars on school nights, you know, fifteen years old playing 93 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: you know, you get done with basketball practice. You like, 94 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: now I've rat to go play a bar, you know. Uh. 95 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: And then so that was just a culture for us 96 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 1: growing up. So we got in the bar business in 97 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: New York scene. A lot of the music scene kind 98 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: of disappear out of New York City. We were like, 99 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: let's helped keep this thing alive, you know, we know, 100 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 1: with a bunch of musicians, and we would be nice 101 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: to provide a place. Um and that was cool for 102 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 1: a while, but you're just hemorrhaging dough. You know. We 103 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: generated a ton of money, but we never took any 104 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 1: money out right. Never ever. So one day my brother 105 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 1: calls me, he says, hey, I found a property in Nashville, Tennessee. 106 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 1: I said, okay for what he said, Well, you have 107 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: any interest in being the bar business in Nashville, Tennessee. 108 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 1: You weren't here at this time. You weren't here yet. No, 109 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: this was about um, fourteen years ago. You want to 110 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: open a bar in Nashville. I said absolutely not. No. 111 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: He goes, but I found a great location. I said, 112 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: where is it. He said, Broadway in Nashville. I said 113 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: on Broadway. He said on Broadway. I still want to 114 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: don't want to do the bar? I said no. He said, 115 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: but you haven't heard the terms. I said, what are 116 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 1: the terms? Uh, square foot, two thousand dollars a month 117 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: or something like that. I said, storefront. He said, yep. 118 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: I said, we're in the bar business, right, So we 119 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: signed a twenty five year lease on a storefront. Yep, 120 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 1: and just over two thousand dollars months. Uh. And the 121 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: market man, the town you know, the town erupted. We 122 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: we didn't see that coming. We thought maybe there'll be 123 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: more coming, you know on Lower Broadway, there maybe be 124 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 1: some development. But to the degree it happened as fast 125 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 1: as appen, nobody could predict that. Nobody less hemorrhaging on 126 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: this one than the New York one. Dude, this is 127 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 1: this one's it's a different place. Yeah, this is it's 128 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: incredible to a great business. Uh No, I mean it was. 129 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: It was a factor, you know. The main factor was that, Um, 130 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: I like the price for square foot around here when 131 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 1: I came here, and I liked the local culture here 132 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 1: a lot the people who've been here a long time 133 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: are really there was a certain amount of southern charms, 134 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 1: still really very Nashville Southern charm thing here that I 135 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: really liked. Um And a lot of a lot of musicians. 136 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: And they treated me well, and they treat songwriters really 137 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 1: well in this town. They really believe that songwriters aren't 138 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 1: important here, um, which I which I think is very 139 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 1: important in the music business. They on writers nicely, uh 140 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 1: or or you know these are you know, be out 141 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: there singing the A. B. C's you know and so. 142 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: And it was nice being around people who who were 143 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: in the same craft. That keeps you motivated and sometimes 144 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: competitive some sometimes camaraderie and all of it's good. Um. 145 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: It just keeps you going. Um uh. And we just 146 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: we liked a lot of things about it. The town 147 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: is cool and um. But nobody saw this coming, certainly, 148 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: not not me. Did you try or run Nashville at all? 149 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: It just come down for a few months or did 150 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: you just go let's go. I mean I've been to town, 151 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: you know, touring, you know, just playing gigs, and you know, 152 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: played a bunch of small spots. Um, what's that place 153 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: out you guys? The wrong guy about anywhere? And I 154 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: lived here nine days GPS t N, I know nothing. 155 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: So if you're really asking, great, if just doing that, 156 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: what's that what you're trying to figure it out here? 157 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: I'm trying, man, I can't remember. I played a bunch 158 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: of little places, you know, just you know, as you're 159 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: trying to get a career going coming through town. And 160 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: I just liked how people treated me here. I got 161 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: I got treated nice and and they people knew each other, 162 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: and it felt like I was tapping into a town. 163 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: When I came here. He had he had come with me, um. 164 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: And I mean he found that location on Broadway from 165 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: his lazy boy chair in New York City. You know, 166 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: he was just Craigslist to Halick, you know, and uh 167 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: just always looking for, you know, an opportunity to deal 168 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: or whatever. So we got to hold that place square 169 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: foot Now we're we have and that was now we 170 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: have a fifty year lease on the whole building. We're 171 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: fifty square foot. Yeah, it's crazy. Um, and we're still 172 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: developing it. I mean we're operating at forty square feet 173 00:08:58,200 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: right now. Do you ever trying to buy the building? 174 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: You know, it's a it's a peculiar thing. Um, it's 175 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: just we don't need to, you know, we don't need to. 176 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: The math wouldn't make sense. And this has been real 177 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: estate talk with Gavin and Bobby. So we'll see you 178 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,959 Speaker 1: next week, everybody. I mean, if if the terms, if 179 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 1: the terms matched exactly right, it could work. But our 180 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: our lease is so favorable, I mean, fifty or at 181 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: least you ever pop in there and play, uh once 182 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: in a while, I get up with an act if 183 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: they're they're playing, you know, strumming. Um. We don't have 184 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: a ton of acoustic music in there as much as 185 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: we did. We started just like that. In fact, we did. 186 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 1: I mean we were doing blue grass, and I mean 187 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: it was, oh, brother artou up in there when you 188 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: walked in there, you know, and uh, I am mane. 189 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: You know it was you know like that, you know, 190 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: and uh, but we do um, I don't know. It 191 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: got the crowd and there got younger and younger, and 192 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: they were asking for DJs on the roof. So they're like, 193 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: let put a DJ on the roof. You know, I'm 194 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: not gonna tell them what they want. They're telling, they're 195 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: telling the building what they want. You know. Um, I 196 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: don't want to force feed anybody and anything. So yeah, 197 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: we've got like all these crazy rooftops and bull riding 198 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: and bowling and gaming and I mean, you name it, 199 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 1: that's what we're doing. You know that's cool. Yeah, it's 200 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,319 Speaker 1: it's crazy. Man. You know way more about that than 201 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: I do mine. I mean, similarly, I was at the 202 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: gym all the time. Yeah, as you can tell about 203 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: looking at me. Yeah, I know, Arnold, but I was like, 204 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: why am I paying a membership? And why? I was like, 205 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: I should just see what's up. And the guy that 206 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: owned it, he don't I think you know, one or 207 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 1: maybe two at the time. I said, hey, let me 208 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: get in on this, like you run it really well. 209 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: I don't run a gym, but I can help you 210 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: in other ways. And so we split it, we bought it, 211 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: we bought another one, and so we have three. And 212 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: it's yeah, I don't know anything. Yeah, I just go 213 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: in down, don't pay membership. Hey, man, you know what 214 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: I said. I mean, it's just like you're going to 215 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: get free beer and that's all I got to do 216 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: with it. That's that's a ballsy move, man, you know 217 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: what I mean. You're like, why don't I just pay 218 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: upfront for all my exercise and now the rest of 219 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: my life and my kids? My kids? Right? So I 220 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:10,439 Speaker 1: did the same thing, man. And it's funny because you're 221 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: never sure if it's gonna work out. You hope it 222 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: works out, and of course you do uh what I 223 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: call optimistic math on if it's gonna work out, you know, 224 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: and uh, this one, this one happens to be working out. 225 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: You know. Broadway Broadway in Nashville sells more alcohol per 226 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: square foot than anywhere in the United States, period, makes sense, right, 227 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: I would think Vegas would be with it or trailing 228 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: it slightly because but it's also a lot larger. Yeah, 229 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 1: So does Nashville felt like home to you? Like now? 230 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: You know, the people that I know for a long 231 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 1: time make it feel like home, right, But there's still 232 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: never going to be the substitute for running into the 233 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: people you actually grew up with, you know, even if 234 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: your hometown isn't really there anymore. And pretty much everybody 235 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: left because it didn't have anything really off. There's no 236 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: jobs where I grew up, you know, prisons. What is it? 237 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: What is the town? What's it called? It's called Fallsburg, 238 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: New York. And so how far outside I, like the 239 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,199 Speaker 1: city would that be? If I was driving outside of 240 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: New York City, they would be about ninety miles down 241 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: the Highway, um and some you know, some okay roads 242 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: you know, other than that, you know, but to the 243 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: George Washington Bridge from on the Highway would be about 244 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: ninety miles. We were a sawmill town where I grew 245 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 1: up in Mountaine, Arkansas. Every sawmill. I'm assuming if it 246 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: was a prison town. Did you have family that worked 247 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: at the prison. Yeah? Yeah, my dad, Uh my dad 248 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: was a guard at at the prison, at the Maximax. Um. 249 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: So I'm assuming that's the max. Yeah, that's like that's 250 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: like the one that's like the really bad ones. Yeah. 251 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: And um so there was an annex that's people at 252 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: the end of their bid or or you know, more 253 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: minimal you know. Um there we had a medium security prison. 254 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: We had we had the Maxi Max and Maxi Max. 255 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: Um was were like my dad watched son of Sam 256 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: every day. I don't know if you know who that 257 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: is very famous lovely man, h you mean and by 258 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: the way, from those listening, not the show, the actual 259 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 1: guy that said the dog talk to him and he 260 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: actually watched him in presence what you're saying, Like, that's correct, 261 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: the actual killer. Yeah, he watched Willie Boskett every day. 262 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: Willie Willie Boskett was known as the Genius Killer. And um, 263 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 1: there is another very famous killer he watched every day 264 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: named Ronnie to Fail. You may know him by his 265 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: his other name, which is the Amityville horror Slayer. Did 266 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: your dad have and it's weird to say a relationship, 267 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: because these guys are really heinous beings, but did he 268 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: find that as humans that he could talk with? They 269 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 1: really weren't the feeling that we have about them of 270 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 1: just stabbing, killing and manipulating. You know, it's funny asked 271 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: him about son of Sam. I was like, man, how 272 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: did you do it? How do you do it? He said, Man, 273 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: it's not to Sam. I mean, I got animals in there. Guy. 274 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: You know, he's like he he's not nearly the scariest person. 275 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: I rubbed shoulders with um. But there's guys in there too. 276 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: That he told me when he retired, He said, I 277 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: missed a couple of my inmates. I had actually had 278 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: pretty good friendships with some of the guys. You know, 279 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: there's guys in there who you know, are a lot 280 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: like you. You're a lot like us, he said, Uh, 281 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: I said, do you think so? Huh? He goes yeah. 282 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: You know, ever think to yourself someone really upsetiate and 283 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: you think, man, I could just kill that guy, I said, 284 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess as a figure of speech. He goes, yeah, 285 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: But the only difference between you and them, Gavin, is 286 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: that they actually do it. He said, But you know, 287 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: you think it I can kill that guy. That's more 288 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: like a figure of speech. But they do it. That's 289 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: the difference. Do you worry living in a prison town 290 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: if there's all these prisons that if there is an 291 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: escape of any kind, Yeah, they come to your house. 292 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: They that worried me as a kid. That worried me 293 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: because once in a while you'd have a break um. 294 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: And it was, by the way, there were other jobs there. 295 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: It's just that the prison probably employed the most people. 296 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: You know, so you realize, okay, you got you're definitely 297 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: gonna have other guards kids because my uncle was also 298 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: a guard. Mother uncle did prison psych and other some 299 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: other kids I grew up with their dad was guard. 300 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: And then there's other people you grew up with who 301 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: their fathers an inmate. You don't necessari necessarily know who 302 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: the inmate is, um, but you know because of the 303 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: nature of the town that you are going to school 304 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: with inmates kids too. So do people. Now. I've had 305 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: a lot of family in jail, but not like a 306 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: max place. So if someone's in a max, we'll families 307 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: move towards the prison to be close to their family 308 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: member in a max security place, Yeah, they would because 309 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: there's the father is Yeah, but like once a week. 310 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: They could see him once a month, so they lived 311 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: close to do that. Can can can tell you the 312 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: exact whole thing. But then there's conjugal visits, which is uh, 313 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: you know about these? Yeah, I done a few. Yeah 314 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: I haven't, but I didn't know what that is. I 315 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: had a had a cousin, a first cousin. Let's talk 316 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: about those who uh and I come from a pretty 317 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: troubled family and I have a first cousin that you know, 318 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: he was uh pimp and he had been still a 319 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: lot of trouble and he escaped. You got a nice house, Bobby, 320 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: you're kind of a pimp self appreciate, thank you. That's 321 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: a different kind of pimper. He was all over national 322 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: news because there was a video of him escaping prison 323 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: and he there was a small little hole where you 324 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: would passed your documents into a maybe not the guard 325 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: but the person working the game, and he figured our 326 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 1: way to slide through it. Ran his mom my aunt 327 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 1: picked him up in the park. They ran for they 328 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: ran for weeks like that. Todays show was searching for him, 329 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: constantly calling me like have you seen your cousin? No, 330 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,479 Speaker 1: I haven't seen it. So, you know, situations like that, 331 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 1: that's what makes me think of that if you lived 332 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: in that town, is there a lot of unpleasant business 333 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 1: happening just because you're near it? But probably not. It's 334 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: maybe it's like El Paso, and that El Paso is 335 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 1: right on the Mexican border, lovely town. Nobody, nobody else 336 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: on them there because they're so close and they crossed 337 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: the American and they're like, we're we're safe, can be, 338 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 1: We're close to a board, safest could be, you know, 339 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: so I don't know that that's true. The prison culture 340 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: is interesting to me. I've just had people in it, 341 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 1: but I never was brave enough to even go up there. Yeah, 342 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:57,199 Speaker 1: it's um, I think it makes a little it's a 343 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: little fringe e. I think it makes you think a 344 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: little bit really about how people interact or should interact. 345 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: I saw a lot of violence, you know, I would yeah, 346 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: I would assume. Yeah. And you know, does she work 347 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 1: in that system or was she She was r N 348 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: at a you know, local hospital, and then she u 349 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,360 Speaker 1: ended up joining the reserves because you know, we were 350 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: just never making enough money. Um. And she ended up 351 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 1: joining the reserves because you want to get her masters 352 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: because she wanted to you know, increase her pay be 353 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: a nurse practitioner. Um. And you know, by the way, 354 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: my dad becoming a prison guard wasn't wasn't like, hey, 355 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 1: I want to be a prison guard. It was he 356 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: was trying to be a local contractor, work on houses, molawans, 357 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: you know, Chimney sweet build tables and all that stuff. 358 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: You know, So we go out and help him here 359 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: and there. And you know, if you want to help 360 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: you out, we'll go out and you know, hang draw 361 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: or whatever. And um so when he became a prison guard, 362 00:18:57,800 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: that was like being a millionaire compared to how we 363 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 1: were living. Probably benefits too, right, I mean got benefits 364 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 1: he got, yeah, you got you got medical, dental, whatnot. 365 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: And so that was a huge improvement on our lifestyle. 366 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 1: Um and she my mom was dogging to two man, 367 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: I mean, she was driving an hour back and forth 368 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: to work, uh school full time, you know, putting on camouflage, 369 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: climbing ropes every however many weeks for the reserves, and 370 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,360 Speaker 1: you know, I was just watching their grind, thinking, man, 371 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: this sucks. Man, this sucks. You know, this sucks, and 372 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,919 Speaker 1: you know, you go to school. And this is one 373 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 1: of the things that really hung on me was that 374 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: we had a bunch of public housing too, right down 375 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: the street, and there was kids who I knew, I 376 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: knew their parents didn't work, and they had nicer clothes 377 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 1: and I did, nicer sneakers than we had, you know, 378 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: and I just couldn't. I just couldn't wrap my head around, like, hey, 379 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: where's your reward for like, you know, for trying, you know, 380 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: where's the reward for trying? You know, not to say 381 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: that those kids shouldn't have nice things, but it was 382 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 1: nicer than then my families thinks, you know, and everybody's 383 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 1: working their asses off, and I was thinking to myself, dude, 384 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 1: this don't seem right. You know, life ain't fair. You 385 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 1: come from a blue collar family, but you're here as 386 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: an artist. And I have found that because again I 387 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: grew up in a similar way of there wasn't a 388 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,439 Speaker 1: lot around me that told me I could do it 389 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,919 Speaker 1: because nobody did it. People weren't screaming you can't do 390 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: it because it was a fairy tale. Now I wonder, 391 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: with New York being ninety miles away, if again the 392 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 1: weird dichotomy is you're in an extremely blue collar situation 393 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: and you're doing what you just said. You live in 394 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: a life, and you're like, we're hustling as hard as 395 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: we can. Yet ninety minutes, ninety miles whatever it is 396 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: up the road that that that's the wonderland. Like you're 397 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: actually seeing people do creative things. So it's a it's 398 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: an odd place where right around your circle, really nobody's 399 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,199 Speaker 1: doing what maybe you wanted to do. I don't know 400 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: when you want to start do it, but if you 401 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: just go a little further everybody's doing it. So when 402 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 1: when was it realistic that you could actually do art, 403 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: not be paid and not be rich and famous and 404 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: have number one songs, but make a living, even if 405 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: that's paying your bills doing art. Man uh man, I'm 406 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Did you go to New York City ever? Like, 407 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: was that a thing? Was it close enough that you 408 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: would go? Sometimes? We went occasionally? Yeah, it went occasionally. Um, 409 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: I got the New York experience. You know, you get 410 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: to go to town and check it out. Um, tap 411 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: into it, see it, see what it is. But you know, 412 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: it was also really intimidating going to New York City. 413 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: You had to have gas money, you had to find parking, 414 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: had to pay for part working. It was dangerous, you know. Um, 415 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: you know, you don't really know anybody. I had an 416 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: uncle living in Hell's Kitchen in the nineties, so we'd 417 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: go there because it him UM, which is the neighborhood. 418 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: I end up moving to UM because you knew what 419 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,479 Speaker 1: the best. Yeah, it was familiar with a little bit. 420 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: I was like, oh okay, okay, my brother found the 421 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: apartment UM. In ninety What happened was I played a 422 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: gig at a place called The Bitter ended seven September 423 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: twenty second seven, played my first gig ever in New 424 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: York City and then we was at the bar. I'm 425 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 1: twenty years old, years old, yep, and uh, my brother goes, 426 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: we gotta move here. I said, yeah, yeah, we gotta 427 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:53,959 Speaker 1: move here. And at the time I was working out 428 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: a lumber yard um called Wide lumber And which is 429 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: like the Mancello area, which is next time over. I said, okay, yeah, cool, 430 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: cool with what money? And uh, he said, don't matter. 431 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: We just got to get here. I said, okay. When 432 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: he said six months or whatever it was, I said 433 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: all right, And then uh, March that following March, we 434 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: moved in the Hell's Kitchen. He had lived in New 435 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 1: York City prior, like three years earlier or something like that, 436 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: for a year three and a half years older. Yeah, 437 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: he was g A at Sony Studios when he first 438 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: when he first lived there. Funny enough, he he didn't know, 439 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:46,199 Speaker 1: like he wasn't connected or anything. And he was a 440 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: g A for Michael Jackson. Kid you not, It's like crazy, 441 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 1: you know, He's like, I can't believe. I wish I 442 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: would have had a camera back down. I didn't have 443 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 1: the money to even go get one of those little crappy, 444 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: you know, drug store cameras, and I was thinking I 445 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: should really go get one of those, but that's like 446 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:10,959 Speaker 1: two hours salary, right. If your brother is working with 447 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: Michael Jackson, And my assumption is, I don't I don't 448 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: know this for true or not, but if you're growing 449 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 1: up in a small town and you find music, someone 450 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: has to lead you to that music, either through records 451 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 1: or through instruments. Somehow, your parents must have had something 452 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: musical about them. Either there's their love of listening and 453 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: giving you music or playing. Is that? Yeah? Yeah, my 454 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 1: folks were musicians. I mean, you know, if I was 455 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: to define them, I'd say they were musicians, right, Yeah. 456 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 1: And my dad played for a living when he was 457 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 1: a young man, and my mother played at church um 458 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: wrote songs and uh so that's really who they were. 459 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: What they played with her job? What was there special 460 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: with the guitar players, piano players, guitar They could both 461 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: play guitar. My dad was a I would say, a 462 00:24:55,880 --> 00:25:00,479 Speaker 1: good guitar player. My mom was okay guitar player. My 463 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: mom was okay piano player. My dad was a ship 464 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: piano player. And uh, because he didn't play. He could 465 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: just but he could sit down and figure it out. 466 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: But they sang good, and my father in particular sang great, 467 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 1: like too good, in fact, aggravating lee good. What was 468 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: the specialty singing like? What did he like to sing? 469 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: What do you remember him singing? I get his natural 470 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: voice was sort of an Irish tenor sort of range high, thin, 471 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 1: real clean, pretty sound right, um, almost like a McCartney 472 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,959 Speaker 1: esque signed kind of singing, you know, very pretty voice, 473 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 1: Peter Stera esque sort of thing, high higher the mind. 474 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,239 Speaker 1: You know, I can't. I can't sing like that. And 475 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: he would always weep when he's sang, and uh, his 476 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: eyes would run and uh. I remember sitting across he's 477 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: standing at the crook of the piano one day at 478 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 1: the house because I had, you know one once I 479 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: made money, I bought a nice piano and uh, I 480 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 1: had it up at their house. I'm sitting there playing 481 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,959 Speaker 1: a song that he liked, Um, a song I had 482 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: written about some some stuff. It was called she Holds 483 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 1: a Key, And he wanted to sing harmony. He's looking 484 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 1: right at me, singing the harmony, singing a way above me. 485 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: Of course, because I can't hit those. And he's crying, 486 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: just crying now, not like bawling, like at a funeral 487 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: kind of cry. Just his eyes are watered and running 488 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 1: down his face tears. I said, Dad, you're crying. Why 489 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: are you crying? And I knew he cried when he 490 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 1: saying I said, but why do you cry when he singing? 491 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: He said, I always cry. When I was saying, I said, 492 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: why is it? Is it just physical physically happening to you? 493 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 1: He said, no, singing he makes me so emotional. I 494 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: can't help it. I just my eyes water. I can't 495 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: it's nothing I have control. I'm just so emotional when 496 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: I say, it was beautiful to watch. So it's so 497 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: so honest, you know, because you're looking at a guy, 498 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 1: anyone who knew my dad, even though he liked to 499 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 1: joke around, he's a fucking dude. And uh, I never 500 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,959 Speaker 1: saw him cry, but crowding sang. I didn't see him 501 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 1: cried at his father's funeral. Was he embarrassed that he 502 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: cried when he's saying or because no, maybe it was 503 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 1: like he felt like it was his opportunity to be emotional. Finally, 504 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 1: you know, it was just beautiful to watch honestly special. 505 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: You guys sing together a lot when you were young. 506 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 1: How did you become the guy that could? How did 507 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: you come become the kid that could sing? I guess uh. 508 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: We were encouraged to play music at the house, you know. Um. 509 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: In fact, they didn't even mind if I woke him 510 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 1: up in the old nights and that piano singing, you know. Um, 511 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: and uh I think they I think I overheard them 512 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: telling the other siblings say, if Gavin wants to wake 513 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 1: us up playing and singing, and they leave him along, 514 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 1: you know um. Because it was an addiction for me 515 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: saying it was an addiction. My brother actually asked my 516 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: great uncle if they were such a thing as a 517 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: singing disease. Because I sank so much growing up, I 518 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 1: could shut then up, you know what I mean. It's 519 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: terrible and uh so. But the singing in the house, 520 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: it was, there was music in the house. You know. 521 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 1: It wasn't like we were playing records in the house 522 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: all the time. That's not what it was. It was 523 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: people were making music in the house. You know. Dad 524 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: comes home from work and he's sitting there with his 525 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: guitar that he had when he was a teenager. You know, strumming. 526 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: And you know, I come home from school, he's sitting 527 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 1: there with his you know that his old gibson listened 528 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: to the Dire Straits records playing you know, the solo 529 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: as Sultan's Wing, you know, along with the records. You know, 530 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: and that's just that was the household culture. You know, 531 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: his father after the war, after World War two, you know, 532 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 1: I bought a bunch of instruments and told his brothers 533 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 1: when everybody learned how to play instruments, and you know, 534 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: and so had an oregon and fiddle and bongos and 535 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: uh ban Joe guitars, and you know, just wanted everybody 536 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: to to pick and play and and because it was therapy. 537 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: You know, it's a good therapy, you know. And had 538 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: you know, hooting, and he's had. I had a great 539 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: uncle early as a dairy farmer, and you know we'd 540 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: do all the family unions out there, and you know, 541 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: the old dudes would get together and and play, you know, 542 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: nothing fancy, just playing songs they liked, you know, um 543 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: Marty Robbins and and and Hank Williams and Roger Miller 544 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: and old country you know, uh King of the Road 545 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: and hang me and El Paso. You know, my granddad 546 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: was buried to the song El Paso in fact out 547 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: in the West Texas town of El Paso. Yeah, he 548 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: was actually buried to that song. Uh. And he told me, 549 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: he told me his whole life. I'd walk into the 550 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: house sometimes and my granddad he's sitting at his kitchen table. 551 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: He had his kitchen table was centered his whole world. Man. 552 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: So the kitchen was the first room he really walked 553 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 1: into once he got in the house, and he had 554 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: this he had this this uh circular table there. It's 555 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: about four and a half feet across and his from 556 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: his chair, he could see the whole world, his world. 557 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: Right He's watching the front door, which was eight feet away, 558 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: and behind him was a window where he watched his 559 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: bird feeder that he put together. And off to the right, 560 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: about another thirty feet away was the TV. We had 561 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: the news on all the time all the time. And 562 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: within arms reach. He had his phone up on the 563 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: wall right there and his tea kettle. That was it. 564 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: That was Pop's world, you know. And I walk in there. 565 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: I remember walking in. He's got a guitar in his 566 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 1: hand and he I walk in and he's playing El Paso. 567 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: I walked right in the house. He said, to hear 568 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: that song. I said, yeah, Pop, I know you play 569 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,719 Speaker 1: song all the time. He said, yes, my favorite song 570 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 1: the world. He said, I didn't play a song at 571 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: my funeral. He always used to say it, and of 572 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: course they did, you know. And on that day I 573 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: walked into the funeral parlor. Preacher gets up and bus 574 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: had like an eighties style boom box. I mean, this 575 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: thing was a big, dude. It looked like the preacher 576 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: should have been wearing eyes out shoulder man. Man. He 577 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: puts his boom box on a bar stool in front 578 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: of the coffin. He said, y'all know Russ love music, 579 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: and we're like, yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, Russ warring 580 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: to be here together to enjoy his favorite country in 581 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: Western song. Click presses that button, you know, that big 582 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: click sound, a little bou box of babe, And sure enough, 583 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 1: Marty Robin's El Paso came on. It was I thought, 584 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: that's awesome. Perfect. I got a great story for you too. 585 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: My inheritance from my granddad, my Papa Russell, was a 586 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: two dollar bill. Two dollar bill. That's what we all got, 587 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 1: two dollar bills because he always used to say he 588 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: busted open his wallet. You go see that if you 589 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: got one of them in your pocket and have to 590 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: be broke. Right, So say, okay, so we got two 591 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: dollar bills. I go to El Paso, Texas salmon tour. 592 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 1: I leave the venue playing a little dive bar of 593 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 1: a place right kind of places so long on the 594 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: border that defence to get into Mexico is right there, okay, 595 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: and like right round the rio. Grand I says, uh, 596 00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: I'm skip sound checking and go to the local cafe. 597 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 1: Like where a place I get a cup cup coffee. 598 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: That's wherever I'm waking up, super late musician around a 599 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 1: midnight guy. I walk into this place, I order a coffee, 600 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: and I go to put money in the tip jar. 601 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 1: What's sitting on top of the tip jar, the top 602 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: bill on the pile of singles is a two dollar 603 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: bill in the town of El Paso, Texas. I went, Man, 604 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 1: this is a god thing. I called my mother right away, 605 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: because she always said there's no accidents, so you're never 606 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: gonna believe this. I told her a story. She said, 607 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: that's called the language of God. Gavin, that's your experienced today, 608 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: I said, I think I did. She said, oh you did. 609 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: How many times in your life you've seen a two 610 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: dollar bill laying on anything? Honestly, just a random spot, 611 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: that's right? I mean I'm thinking, I mean I've only 612 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: ever seen them when someone's like, look I got a 613 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: two dollar bill. That's exactly right. And look what you 614 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: brought up. I didn't even bring it up earlier. You 615 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: brought up El Paso, Texas. See, there's no accidents. It's 616 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: a great one. That was wells were spend. And when 617 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: you were telling it, and I was like, it does 618 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: ever seen two dollar bill laying around? Was even me. 619 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 1: I was trying to go, okay, maybe, and I wasn't 620 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 1: gonna say it out loud, but I was trying to rationalize. Ago. 621 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, crap, man, I've never seen a 622 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,439 Speaker 1: two dollar bill just chilling. Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah. 623 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,720 Speaker 1: So it sounds like music to your dad, to yourself, 624 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 1: it was just understood. The importance was understood, maybe not 625 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 1: to make a full living, but to to have exist 626 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: inside of you. You start to play bars or restaurants 627 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 1: or church or when like when you were just you, 628 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: when you're like, oh, I'm gonna go do a show, 629 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:46,240 Speaker 1: I don't even get when did that happen? Um, first 630 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 1: gig I ever played, my brother got. Well, it wasn't 631 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,759 Speaker 1: a paid gig. It was my brother was going to 632 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,479 Speaker 1: a local bar next town over Mana Cellos, a place 633 00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 1: called the Nowhere Bar, across the street from police department. Um, 634 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: I want to say. And he had talked to the 635 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: bartender and said, hey, my my brother is a musician. 636 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: You know, because my my brother also, Joey, is a musician. 637 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: Damn good one. And um the guy goes okay, yeah, 638 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: and he well, can you come in and play here? 639 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,920 Speaker 1: You know, I heard you have an open mic? Can 640 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,919 Speaker 1: can he come play? Can we play? He was like yeah, yeah, yeah, 641 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 1: come Tuesday or wherever it was. And so that was 642 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 1: really the first opportunity to regularly go to a bar 643 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: and play music, really play in front of people on 644 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: a regular basis, other than something like a camp talent 645 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 1: show or something like that, you know, color Wars. People 646 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,320 Speaker 1: that didn't already have an investment in you as a 647 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,319 Speaker 1: as a kid, as a human, we're watching you play 648 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 1: music for the first time. So like now Anton uncles 649 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 1: and friends and cousins of it. Was like people that 650 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 1: didn't even know you were there, are there, and now 651 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 1: they're hearing you play music. When you play, do you 652 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:04,400 Speaker 1: find acceptance early or do you find that it's a 653 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 1: little more difficult than you thought when it's not your 654 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: warm family crew. I think, uh, well, I think because 655 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: because of the of youth, you're given an extra five 656 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: points out of ten right there. Right, Oh man, this 657 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 1: kid is great. No he ain't for fifteen exactly, but 658 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: it's great, right exactly exactly. So I was lucky in 659 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: that regard um that that there was there's an open mind. 660 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 1: You were very forgiving. When it comes to people being 661 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,800 Speaker 1: young doing anything. It's almost like we're just happy somebody's 662 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 1: gotta work ethic. Oh look they're showing up to work today, 663 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 1: you know. Cool and uh it's so so in that 664 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,320 Speaker 1: In that way, I think that was that was a 665 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,200 Speaker 1: good you know, it was it was good enough reinforcement 666 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 1: to keep me going. And it wasn't it wasn't any 667 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,399 Speaker 1: kind of embarrassment, you know, because the embarrassment sometimes will 668 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 1: gets you worse than anything else. What kind of student 669 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,759 Speaker 1: were you at the time, though, decent? I was a 670 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 1: good student, you know, I cared a little too much 671 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,840 Speaker 1: about homework to be honest with you. In fact, I 672 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 1: told my father a couple of years ago. It was 673 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,600 Speaker 1: after my mom passed, and I saw how much fun 674 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,839 Speaker 1: uh my dad, Uh I could have you know once 675 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 1: he didn't have someone telling him take it easy and uh. 676 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,919 Speaker 1: And I said to my father, I said, uh, you know, Dad, 677 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 1: had I known you were this loose, I would have 678 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,719 Speaker 1: had a lot more fun in high school, you know, 679 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:38,800 Speaker 1: because you know, I didn't really want to get in 680 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: trouble because you get your ass whooped at home, you know, so, 681 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,360 Speaker 1: so it was like he had to get permission to do. 682 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 1: You know, hey, Dad, you know this happened a school. 683 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:55,800 Speaker 1: Can I disobeyed the rules to get my honor back? Sure, okay, 684 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,239 Speaker 1: but if you got in trouble without Dad's permission, then, 685 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,400 Speaker 1: you know, right, like for real? Um, I thought that 686 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 1: was all healthy though, to be honest, Um, I never 687 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 1: got the belt when I didn't deserve it. And uh anyway, 688 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,279 Speaker 1: but he was real loose in some ways growing up too, 689 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 1: because he'd come out and play the bars with us. 690 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 1: You know, was that fun for you as a kid, great, 691 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 1: it's awesome. It was absolutely amazing that your dad, what's 692 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 1: open play with you? You didn't feel like, oh man, 693 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 1: my dad's really affected my style or hell no, No, 694 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,280 Speaker 1: I thought I was lucky. Man. I thought I was lucky, 695 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 1: you know, I was getting that kind of attention from 696 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,400 Speaker 1: my old man, you know. Um. And also that he 697 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,879 Speaker 1: wasn't trying to curtail my interest in something as as 698 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 1: unreliable as the arts. He could have said, Man, that's 699 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 1: a stupid Gavin. This is not a This is not 700 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,480 Speaker 1: where you should be putting your attention. I mean, especially 701 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 1: because he put his attention there and it didn't work 702 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,800 Speaker 1: out like it. Because I would think your natural instinct 703 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,480 Speaker 1: would be this sucked for me. Want you to know 704 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 1: this probably will suck for you. But he didn't do that. No. 705 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 1: You know, prior to me deciding to be a musician 706 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,080 Speaker 1: for living, I want to go to medical school. I 707 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,440 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I go to medical school. That's what 708 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:16,680 Speaker 1: I'll do. And then here's what happened. I see Billy 709 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,040 Speaker 1: Joel play man. I'm looking around this place. I'm looking 710 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,919 Speaker 1: around this arena that was our Christmas present that year. 711 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,440 Speaker 1: Instead of getting a bunch of whatever, the socks and 712 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 1: underwear and all that, they were like Christmas present this 713 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 1: year is going to be Billy Joel concert tickets will 714 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,520 Speaker 1: go as a family. Cool, all right, we go. I'm 715 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 1: looking around this arena, looking at strangers overwhelmed with joy. 716 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,120 Speaker 1: They look like they're being cured or whatever was bothering 717 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,160 Speaker 1: them when they walked in. I know it's not a cure, 718 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,319 Speaker 1: but I'm saying I got to look around and say, 719 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:55,200 Speaker 1: music is medicine. This is honorable job. This could be honorable. 720 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 1: This could be not just a hobby. This is not 721 00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,839 Speaker 1: just a selfish thing to do like this. It's really 722 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,960 Speaker 1: else people. Man, this really speaks to people. And I 723 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,319 Speaker 1: thought this, this could mean something. You gotta keep in mind. 724 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,319 Speaker 1: I grew up in the church, hardcore. We were Church 725 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,719 Speaker 1: of Hallo, So you know, I wanted to make the 726 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,920 Speaker 1: Blind Sea like Jesus. I was committed. I was going 727 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 1: to I was giving me an out from ologist. I was, 728 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,400 Speaker 1: you know, it was in there. But when I saw that, 729 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,719 Speaker 1: I thought, well, I actually loved playing music and this 730 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 1: could help people too. You know, this is cool. You 731 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,600 Speaker 1: know it's sorry spit when I talk, so you know, uh, 732 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 1: I was. I just thought, this is the right path, 733 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,480 Speaker 1: This is the path for me. Is that the bug 734 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:36,840 Speaker 1: that bet you? Right? Then if you're talking about it. 735 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,879 Speaker 1: I'm watching your face kind of not just love music, 736 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,920 Speaker 1: but love the idea that you could do music on 737 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,399 Speaker 1: a bigger level, not just for yourself but for others. 738 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:46,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like that's the this is the 739 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:51,239 Speaker 1: bug moment for you. That was a moment, yep. And 740 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:55,320 Speaker 1: then there was another reassurance moment um when I was 741 00:40:55,400 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 1: about nineteen and uh, I had already I dropped out 742 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,800 Speaker 1: of college. I don't know first or second time, and 743 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:09,719 Speaker 1: uh we went to a pay local garage guy named 744 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,399 Speaker 1: Frank Stratton on the garage right downtown. We lived seven 745 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,400 Speaker 1: tenths of a mile from town, and there was this fella, 746 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,879 Speaker 1: great guy, Frank Stratton. What a guy, just a good 747 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:25,960 Speaker 1: good man, hard working, good damn man. And uh we 748 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,399 Speaker 1: showed up there to pay him. My dad owe the money. 749 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,600 Speaker 1: You know, you know, people money when you don't have money. 750 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,560 Speaker 1: But Frank had worked on the car, and I guess 751 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,920 Speaker 1: dad got paid, so we want to pay him off. 752 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,160 Speaker 1: And oftentimes, you know, I remember being my father many 753 00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,319 Speaker 1: time where he opened his wallet so he'd say how much. 754 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,799 Speaker 1: He turned his wallet to me, and he he turned 755 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,919 Speaker 1: the wallet so that they couldn't see what he's looking 756 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:49,319 Speaker 1: at but I could see in as well. He didn't 757 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:53,000 Speaker 1: have any money, and he says, oh, I just don't 758 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,680 Speaker 1: have that much on me right now. I pay you 759 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,280 Speaker 1: back or can I pay whatever? Yeah, okay, yeah, no problem, 760 00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,839 Speaker 1: you know, because they're neighbors. You know, it's a small town. 761 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,919 Speaker 1: So we pay Frank Stratton hopping the car as soon 762 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,520 Speaker 1: as we start the car about we're just pulling out 763 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:11,480 Speaker 1: and we're about to go over this this really short bridge. 764 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,839 Speaker 1: We had a local lake that was at the edge 765 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:15,799 Speaker 1: of town, and the bridge is about five ft over 766 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,480 Speaker 1: the water. And I said, Dad, if you could change anything, 767 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:23,759 Speaker 1: what would it be about your life? Without hesitation, he said, 768 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 1: I never would have stopped playing music. And I'm looking 769 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,799 Speaker 1: at my father, who was about the age I am 770 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:34,040 Speaker 1: right now, and I asked him that question. And I thought, 771 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,600 Speaker 1: he's a great dad telling me the truth. But I thought, 772 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,120 Speaker 1: I don't want to feel like that when i'm his age. 773 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:50,480 Speaker 1: And uh, he expounded on it. He said, Uh, I 774 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,800 Speaker 1: could have done it. I should have done I was 775 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,400 Speaker 1: good enough. I was good enough to do it. And 776 00:42:55,520 --> 00:43:01,040 Speaker 1: I and I and I quit, and uh, that's what 777 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,719 Speaker 1: I should have done. I just knew. Eyes said I 778 00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,160 Speaker 1: want to feel like that feels about that I want 779 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:11,239 Speaker 1: to validate dead. I'm gonna validate him. I'm gonna validate 780 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:20,240 Speaker 1: his talent, you know. And it makes me emotional heavy, 781 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:37,840 Speaker 1: so I thought I wanted to prove it. Uh h, 782 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,960 Speaker 1: it's heavy. It is heavy too, especially when we talked 783 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:43,880 Speaker 1: about your new record in a second. But it is 784 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,960 Speaker 1: so you know that I wanted to prove that he 785 00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,640 Speaker 1: could do it too. Yeah, you know you want to 786 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,839 Speaker 1: do it for him. Yeah, it almost sounds like we're 787 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,239 Speaker 1: doing for him before you wanted to do it for you. 788 00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:01,279 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I want to validate it. You know. 789 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:11,680 Speaker 1: It's important to me and uh and uh yeah, yeah, 790 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:15,239 Speaker 1: it's heavy, but he got to live his dream through me. 791 00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,719 Speaker 1: You know. You know the way you talk about your dad, 792 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,680 Speaker 1: you can tell there's it's all the things, love, respect, 793 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,960 Speaker 1: I mean, the whole list of things whenever you value 794 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,440 Speaker 1: as human. And it sounds like your dad was that 795 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,560 Speaker 1: to you, and you know, it kind of puts us 796 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:33,200 Speaker 1: on the new record here, which, by the way, I 797 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,120 Speaker 1: mean these guys here are can attest. I won't say 798 00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:37,839 Speaker 1: I really like something. If I don't really like something, 799 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:39,200 Speaker 1: I just go ahead. I just go Hey, how about 800 00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,359 Speaker 1: that project, you know, how about that project you did 801 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:45,839 Speaker 1: that the new record is really freaking good. That's well, 802 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,920 Speaker 1: I told you before we even came in here that 803 00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,279 Speaker 1: it's like, this is music that I listened to when 804 00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,640 Speaker 1: I just get to listen to music. M hm. And 805 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:57,040 Speaker 1: you know that's how how deep this record hit. And 806 00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:01,040 Speaker 1: that's even before I knew the reason you wrote, recorded 807 00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,800 Speaker 1: and put the record out when you did. And so 808 00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:05,360 Speaker 1: I want to start there and and you and I 809 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,360 Speaker 1: rarely want to play a song from the front of 810 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,359 Speaker 1: the record because then I feel like people go, well, 811 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,719 Speaker 1: that's just the first song. So but Face the River 812 00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,400 Speaker 1: and you know that's the first track. I believe you 813 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,600 Speaker 1: sent it to me on what was the service SoundCloud. 814 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,279 Speaker 1: I believe this sounds to me a SoundCloud record. And 815 00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:21,719 Speaker 1: so I'm just like card of my Wife. I'm just 816 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,759 Speaker 1: hitting and facetoever comes on and I'm like, god, damg 817 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,680 Speaker 1: if every song is like this and it was just 818 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,800 Speaker 1: one after the other. And Mike, if you'll play some 819 00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:33,520 Speaker 1: Face the River before me track one, please to Faceboo River, 820 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:50,960 Speaker 1: kill thee and die all the wate thing about their um. 821 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:57,400 Speaker 1: I pictured my my, my, my mother had already passed. 822 00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:02,479 Speaker 1: My dad was already diagnosed m um with glib beast 823 00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:10,520 Speaker 1: alma um and um. I visualized my father looking across 824 00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:20,680 Speaker 1: the river at my mother m hmmm, and having to 825 00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:28,560 Speaker 1: face that particular point in his in his life stuff. Um. 826 00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:36,319 Speaker 1: But but I think that it's materialized. I didn't want 827 00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,240 Speaker 1: to shy away from I couldn't. I couldn't. I couldn't 828 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:43,120 Speaker 1: shy away from it because of the time in my 829 00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:49,520 Speaker 1: life that I was writing it. Watching you're experiencing these 830 00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:55,319 Speaker 1: things with with these people, um, watching them go through 831 00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:01,120 Speaker 1: the stage of their life that we all know is 832 00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:05,520 Speaker 1: coming at some point. Um. We all we all have 833 00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:14,000 Speaker 1: some shared destiny. And uh Um, I couldn't ignore. I 834 00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,120 Speaker 1: couldn't ignore what I was seeing and just go off 835 00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,840 Speaker 1: in my corner and pretend like there was another world 836 00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,680 Speaker 1: that I could focus on that was happening right in 837 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:28,279 Speaker 1: front of me. You know, even if it's a car crash, um, 838 00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:35,840 Speaker 1: you know it's uh you have to you have to 839 00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:40,080 Speaker 1: see it, and uh, I know what it is, and 840 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,040 Speaker 1: you know you're hoping that the results aren't going to 841 00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:44,839 Speaker 1: be as bad as they are, but you know, it's 842 00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:51,840 Speaker 1: a car crash, um, and uh, I had to document it. 843 00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:57,680 Speaker 1: I had to document how how I felt and what 844 00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:05,759 Speaker 1: I thought maybe he felt. Uh, you know, our it's art, man. 845 00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:10,960 Speaker 1: It it's not product. It's it's art. And and it 846 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:16,160 Speaker 1: should reflect, it should reflect a real moment and time 847 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,319 Speaker 1: and and uh and it's it's called a record, man. 848 00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:24,720 Speaker 1: You know, a record, A record, a documents something permanent. 849 00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:31,759 Speaker 1: We should make a record of where we're at and 850 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,360 Speaker 1: have that be so it's known, this is what it was, 851 00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,279 Speaker 1: this is what happened, you know, just the way you 852 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:42,920 Speaker 1: look at any piece of history. Um, and then that's 853 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,000 Speaker 1: what it is. You put it his track one. It's 854 00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:47,600 Speaker 1: such a powerful song, and obviously it's the name of 855 00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,600 Speaker 1: the record. And you know, sometimes the record is named 856 00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,840 Speaker 1: after the track. You know, there's never just a layout 857 00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,040 Speaker 1: of what the order is supposed to be meaning. So 858 00:48:55,680 --> 00:49:00,680 Speaker 1: that is, if not the most, one of the most 859 00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,480 Speaker 1: powerful songs on the record, and it just you turn 860 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,400 Speaker 1: you play the record for a song boom, punch right 861 00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:07,719 Speaker 1: in the gut, A beautiful punch in the gut. I 862 00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,560 Speaker 1: mean in a way of like you emotionally are are 863 00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,839 Speaker 1: stung by it. Usually that didn't happen on track one. 864 00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,080 Speaker 1: Want you you went forward immediately was there any sort 865 00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:23,080 Speaker 1: of symbolism there with that? Um? Well, I think the 866 00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:27,080 Speaker 1: main thing was this is a different kind of record, 867 00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,000 Speaker 1: and that was the That was the big thing. It was, 868 00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,800 Speaker 1: you know, just letting the audience know that this is different. 869 00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:44,000 Speaker 1: It's very different. Um uh. And I was more preparing 870 00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:47,360 Speaker 1: them for everything else. You know, boy, you did I 871 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,560 Speaker 1: mean that? And to also hear that story because this 872 00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,680 Speaker 1: record not only important because it's music, it's art that 873 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,360 Speaker 1: you're putting into the world. But and I know you 874 00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,120 Speaker 1: and I talked about this in a in a different place, 875 00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,560 Speaker 1: but you wanted to make this right, this record, record 876 00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,200 Speaker 1: this record and have it ready, um, for your dad 877 00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,600 Speaker 1: before he passed away. Yeah. Did you have any sort 878 00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,799 Speaker 1: of idea like how fast you needed to actually get 879 00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:14,239 Speaker 1: this done? No? But I didn't know it was you know, 880 00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:20,919 Speaker 1: I knew it was bad. Um. But you know there's 881 00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,680 Speaker 1: no there's not ever an exact time as you know, um, 882 00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,200 Speaker 1: but it's a limited time. And was there a rush 883 00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:31,880 Speaker 1: on you? Did you feel like I gotta work fast? 884 00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,080 Speaker 1: I don't. I just it's a it's a it's a 885 00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,279 Speaker 1: timeline that you've gotta follow, But you don't actually know 886 00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:41,319 Speaker 1: word correct correct exactly there's no exact deadline that you're 887 00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:45,680 Speaker 1: aware of, right, um you know, weeks and weeks earlier, 888 00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:50,360 Speaker 1: he's in the hospital. He says to me it was 889 00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,960 Speaker 1: hard for him to talk because where the tumor was. 890 00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:58,320 Speaker 1: And he was saying to me a bit like marble 891 00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,400 Speaker 1: mouth is how he was trying to having a communicated. Unfortunately, 892 00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,000 Speaker 1: um m m. She said, you know, I want to 893 00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,520 Speaker 1: hear the music. You know, aren't you playing me the music? 894 00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:09,640 Speaker 1: I said, it's not done yet, Dad. I wanted you 895 00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,239 Speaker 1: to hear it, like I. Aren't you to hear when 896 00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,600 Speaker 1: it's right. It's really important to hear when it's right. 897 00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,600 Speaker 1: You gotta hear one it's right. I'm really uptight about, 898 00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:22,799 Speaker 1: you know, my job, and come on, blame me something, 899 00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,719 Speaker 1: Blame me something. I'm in the hospital with my sister 900 00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:32,360 Speaker 1: and uh and uh, I said, okay, okay, let me 901 00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,320 Speaker 1: let me see, let me see, let me see you. 902 00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,680 Speaker 1: I reach out to Dave Cobb, I say, and my 903 00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,960 Speaker 1: dad's in a hospital. He's really really begging me for 904 00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:43,120 Speaker 1: these songs. Is there anyway just to send me a 905 00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,920 Speaker 1: mix of just just a couple of songs. I love 906 00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:47,960 Speaker 1: for him to hear a couple of songs, just a 907 00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,279 Speaker 1: couple of songs really help. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah sure. 908 00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:55,919 Speaker 1: So a couple of minutes later, he sends me three 909 00:51:55,960 --> 00:52:00,480 Speaker 1: songs since we Faced the River and desk me in 910 00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:23,120 Speaker 1: summertime and uh and uh um. So Dad starts crying 911 00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:28,680 Speaker 1: when he hears the first high note of of the 912 00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,160 Speaker 1: chorus of Face the River. He's really feeling it right away, 913 00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:37,520 Speaker 1: you know, um, really reacting. And I played the songs, 914 00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:41,560 Speaker 1: the three that I had, and he says, I wish 915 00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:43,839 Speaker 1: your mother could heard these. I wish you could hear 916 00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:47,880 Speaker 1: this right now, this record. And I says, uh, she 917 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,960 Speaker 1: wrote the record, that she wrote the record. He says 918 00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:55,200 Speaker 1: she did, She did write the record. Some weeks go by, 919 00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,680 Speaker 1: I'm trying to finish the album because I know the 920 00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:07,120 Speaker 1: state is not good. M Um, album is done. I 921 00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:10,680 Speaker 1: take it to him immediately. I said, Dad, you want 922 00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:14,319 Speaker 1: to hear the album, the whole album now. He said yeah, yeah. 923 00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:19,640 Speaker 1: So I put headphones on, turn it up so I 924 00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,040 Speaker 1: could hear where it's at, you know, loud enough. He 925 00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:26,279 Speaker 1: likes it loud anyway, and we go straight through the record, 926 00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:34,080 Speaker 1: top of bottom, and he's so moved, and m I said, 927 00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,759 Speaker 1: you want to hear it again. Played for me again. Later, 928 00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:41,799 Speaker 1: Let's do it later, I said, good, Okay, My brother 929 00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,120 Speaker 1: and I we hop in the car. We take a drive. 930 00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:47,680 Speaker 1: A half hour later, half hour after I finished playing 931 00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:54,520 Speaker 1: that record, phone rings and my dad's hav an emergency. 932 00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,279 Speaker 1: They need to take him to hospital immediately. There was 933 00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,920 Speaker 1: some kind of complication and it was taking the hospital 934 00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,719 Speaker 1: and put on heavy drugs and you know for the 935 00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:08,359 Speaker 1: next day and a half. Um, he's just on heavy 936 00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,759 Speaker 1: drugs for that. You know that slow bowl ride out, 937 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:19,719 Speaker 1: you know. Um. So however, the timing worked out, without exaggeration, 938 00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,480 Speaker 1: got to play him the whole record in the nick 939 00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:28,880 Speaker 1: of time, and um, and it's uh, that's a little 940 00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:34,440 Speaker 1: bit of closure I get. Um is that is that 941 00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:38,239 Speaker 1: I got to give him that that experience and say, 942 00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:44,960 Speaker 1: you know, this is you know, your dedication. You know 943 00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:56,080 Speaker 1: so um, very hard. But but damn I hate crying. 944 00:54:56,520 --> 00:55:02,000 Speaker 1: I appreciate the vulnerability. I mean, you could tell the 945 00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:03,759 Speaker 1: love that you have for your mom and your dad. 946 00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:05,400 Speaker 1: You can also tell when you listen to this record. 947 00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:07,880 Speaker 1: I mean, even if you didn't know why, that's just 948 00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:11,120 Speaker 1: someone just came across this record on playlist, not even 949 00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,880 Speaker 1: individual songs, but you may you may like Gavin de 950 00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:15,400 Speaker 1: Girl Faced the River, I think you would listen to 951 00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:20,440 Speaker 1: this and go, well, something's got him like something because 952 00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:24,319 Speaker 1: it just feels different. It feels like there's there's. Yeah, 953 00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:29,640 Speaker 1: it feels like there is. It feels very deliberate in 954 00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:38,759 Speaker 1: the in the most beautiful way, and I want, I 955 00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,080 Speaker 1: want to go to let someone in because again you 956 00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,440 Speaker 1: start hardy in hard and you have all the emotions 957 00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,400 Speaker 1: all in between. But I want to play Mike, this 958 00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:56,560 Speaker 1: has let someone in track ten, someone you that needs. 959 00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,600 Speaker 1: But i'd tell you why. This was just a great 960 00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,000 Speaker 1: song for the end. I'm sure you know I'm gonna 961 00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:04,000 Speaker 1: let me just tell you why. I think it is 962 00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:05,400 Speaker 1: a great song for me to listen to this record 963 00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:07,960 Speaker 1: over and over again because it is a very powerful album. 964 00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:12,279 Speaker 1: But as heart felt as this song is, it's still 965 00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:17,520 Speaker 1: it's an upper. It's just this is an emotional set 966 00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:21,960 Speaker 1: of songs. But let someone's a it's an upper. It's 967 00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,320 Speaker 1: a it's a mid tempo that makes feel good, but 968 00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,719 Speaker 1: you know there's some real power behind it, and it's 969 00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,120 Speaker 1: that rare mix of all of that and you're like, man, 970 00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:32,839 Speaker 1: I just kind of went through something, but I feel 971 00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,719 Speaker 1: good about what I'm about to go through next. So 972 00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:40,760 Speaker 1: just there's no word that I can really use except 973 00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:44,000 Speaker 1: it's just a wonderful project. Thank you man. Even if 974 00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:46,960 Speaker 1: I didn't know, and I didn't know all the details 975 00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,080 Speaker 1: about why you made you just send me the record. 976 00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:50,839 Speaker 1: You didn't send me a text and go hey, it's 977 00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,759 Speaker 1: about mom dad, and you just said hey, when you 978 00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,480 Speaker 1: think of this record, and I'm texting like, oh, I listened. 979 00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,839 Speaker 1: This is why I listened to my own own time. 980 00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:00,880 Speaker 1: And I finished it, and I'm like, well, I just 981 00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,040 Speaker 1: felt and now I actually feel like I should go 982 00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:06,480 Speaker 1: feel some more, but in the most positive way. And 983 00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:09,640 Speaker 1: that song, that song is is is the perfect clothes 984 00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:11,800 Speaker 1: in my opinion for this type of record. So thank you. 985 00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,239 Speaker 1: Just wanted you to know that. I hope you guys 986 00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:15,600 Speaker 1: check it out Face the River. It's been not a 987 00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:19,120 Speaker 1: few weeks now. It is so good. Thank you. I mean, 988 00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:25,120 Speaker 1: it's rare that you get an artist because it doesn't 989 00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:26,720 Speaker 1: happen all the time. I think with all artists, at 990 00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:30,480 Speaker 1: some time it happens that you can just feel their 991 00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:34,880 Speaker 1: DNA in the project so much by their influences, what's 992 00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:39,520 Speaker 1: affected them, what's still affecting them, what their hopes are 993 00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:42,320 Speaker 1: for the future based on their you just feel it 994 00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,240 Speaker 1: all through this and this is that project for you. 995 00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:46,320 Speaker 1: And I've been a fan for a long time of 996 00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,040 Speaker 1: a lot of your stuff, but and I rarely like 997 00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:52,280 Speaker 1: the newer stuff from anyone because you know, well, when 998 00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,040 Speaker 1: you get to be our age, you like stuff your 999 00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:56,960 Speaker 1: formidable years, when you're like, all right, I like that 1000 00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,000 Speaker 1: the best. It's been the longest, it's proven. But this 1001 00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:01,160 Speaker 1: is for me, This is this project is my favorite 1002 00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:04,120 Speaker 1: thing you've ever done. Thank you, man. Wow, it means 1003 00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:08,640 Speaker 1: a lot. So it means a lot. I really I 1004 00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:12,400 Speaker 1: really tried hard to tell their story, my folk story 1005 00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:18,040 Speaker 1: and my family story. I think just watching them go 1006 00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:24,840 Speaker 1: to their daily war on the family's behalf. Um. I 1007 00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:29,480 Speaker 1: just don't feel like that kind of life gets celebrated 1008 00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:32,720 Speaker 1: enough in our in our culture. You know. I mean, 1009 00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:36,000 Speaker 1: hey man, we all love sports and and and music 1010 00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:44,280 Speaker 1: and movies and man, you know, I'd rather I'd rather 1011 00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:49,200 Speaker 1: rock like Dad's picture, you know what I mean? And 1012 00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:51,920 Speaker 1: because that those are my those are my heroes, you know, 1013 00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:55,440 Speaker 1: that's my that's those are my blue collar heroes. You know, 1014 00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:59,360 Speaker 1: they didn't they never even asked me for for thank you. 1015 00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,880 Speaker 1: I think to thank you is you proving it can 1016 00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:08,800 Speaker 1: be done and you can be somebody else's blue collar hero. 1017 00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:10,440 Speaker 1: I think that's the thing. I think they knew that 1018 00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:12,680 Speaker 1: and saw that, and I think they're probably thanking you 1019 00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,600 Speaker 1: all the time. It just wasn't words going to your ear. 1020 00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,480 Speaker 1: There are many ways to be thanked and to thank folks, 1021 00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,920 Speaker 1: and I think that was there. Man. I got two 1022 00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:26,880 Speaker 1: final things for you, and number one is a little trivial, 1023 00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:28,880 Speaker 1: which I like. Though you went on Dancing with the 1024 00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:32,760 Speaker 1: Stars and do very well. I always like to talk 1025 00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:37,200 Speaker 1: to people who you did it? Back in I did 1026 00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:40,520 Speaker 1: the show? Yeah, yeah, but you did? Will I did? 1027 00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:42,720 Speaker 1: I rocked. I don't want to different. Listen, I won, 1028 00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,560 Speaker 1: that's true. Who cares what I did? Who cares what 1029 00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,760 Speaker 1: I did? I want feeling. What was your general what 1030 00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:52,040 Speaker 1: was your general experience about my parents? Mant me again 1031 00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:59,600 Speaker 1: with that show? How and we keep this quick? But 1032 00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:01,240 Speaker 1: how did you get roped into it? Because I got 1033 01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:04,160 Speaker 1: roped into it? Yeah? By the way, I love the 1034 01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:07,760 Speaker 1: people there and experience. You're training with a pro athlete. 1035 01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:09,800 Speaker 1: I agree you can never do that, no doubt. Brother, 1036 01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:12,840 Speaker 1: give me your give me your experience, and like thirty 1037 01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:17,960 Speaker 1: seconds on that show. The experience was killer. I did 1038 01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,360 Speaker 1: get roped into it because I like to run motorbikes. 1039 01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,520 Speaker 1: And I used to run motorbikes with the buddy of mine, 1040 01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,440 Speaker 1: who's a lot of fun. He's a race car jar, 1041 01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:28,360 Speaker 1: but he's a he's a red bull racer, right, So 1042 01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,960 Speaker 1: we we like to run bikes. I like bikes. And 1043 01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:34,320 Speaker 1: so one day the phone rings and somebody asked me, 1044 01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:36,600 Speaker 1: who I knew was a dancer, Hey, do you wanted 1045 01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:38,800 Speaker 1: to dance with the stars that. My reply, of course, 1046 01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:40,800 Speaker 1: was what I said to people from One Tree Hill 1047 01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:47,680 Speaker 1: originally was absolutely not. And my buddy says, uh, why 1048 01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:50,000 Speaker 1: would you say no to that? I said, I don't dance, man. 1049 01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:53,160 Speaker 1: He said that's the point. And then he said to me, 1050 01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,480 Speaker 1: if you do it, i'll do it. I said really, 1051 01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:59,800 Speaker 1: He said, yep, if you do it, I'll do it. 1052 01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,040 Speaker 1: I said, you're wrong. I'm gonna get you on a 1053 01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:05,880 Speaker 1: show too. So I talked to the people at the show. 1054 01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:08,320 Speaker 1: I said, I'll do it only if he does it. 1055 01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:12,720 Speaker 1: We're gonna do it together. Cool. I signed my contract. 1056 01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:14,640 Speaker 1: I reached out to him. I said, they're sending the 1057 01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:18,960 Speaker 1: contract over. I signed mine. He said, sorry, Bro, no 1058 01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:24,240 Speaker 1: can do I just got a new ride. I was like, 1059 01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:27,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill you, bro. That's funny. It's hard though. 1060 01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:30,280 Speaker 1: That was hard. It's hard, dude. Every week I'd get 1061 01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:34,000 Speaker 1: a message from him say, looking good out there, twinkled toes. 1062 01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:40,280 Speaker 1: I will kill you man. That's funny. The final thing 1063 01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:43,360 Speaker 1: I want to hit you on is that's funny is 1064 01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:48,840 Speaker 1: whenever you open to Billy Joel, oh Man, Billy Joel favorite, dude. 1065 01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:52,320 Speaker 1: I gotta think that aside from it being an artist 1066 01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:54,920 Speaker 1: that you just loved listen to and represented who you 1067 01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:58,000 Speaker 1: where you're from, you know, we we have sure you 1068 01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:00,520 Speaker 1: go back to that Christmas I mean the first time 1069 01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:04,240 Speaker 1: did you is? What is that says? The first time 1070 01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:06,640 Speaker 1: you open for Billy joelan? Yeah? I just did you 1071 01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:09,040 Speaker 1: have any of those emotions the first time you went 1072 01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:12,080 Speaker 1: up to go like, oh man, we came here for Christmas, 1073 01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:13,360 Speaker 1: this is our Christmas present, and now I get to 1074 01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,280 Speaker 1: be up here doing this unbelievable, full full circle moment 1075 01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:21,240 Speaker 1: in life. You know. And uh, I'd met him briefly before, 1076 01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:25,120 Speaker 1: once or twice. I met him because I pounded the 1077 01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:28,920 Speaker 1: pavement for so long, for so many years. Um, before 1078 01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:30,520 Speaker 1: I ever had a record deal, I used to play 1079 01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:33,360 Speaker 1: at an open mic thing a bunch of players, studio 1080 01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:37,400 Speaker 1: session guys and stuff on the over West side. I 1081 01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:39,560 Speaker 1: had a gig every Monday night, and after my Monday 1082 01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:41,480 Speaker 1: night gig, I used to go to another place after 1083 01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:43,840 Speaker 1: hours and jam with these guys. And one of them 1084 01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:46,640 Speaker 1: was a sack pary named Richie Kannada who was Billy 1085 01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:50,960 Speaker 1: Joel's early sax player. I put a record out. I 1086 01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:54,240 Speaker 1: got lucky with it. Did good. Richie reached out years 1087 01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:58,120 Speaker 1: later said Billy's playing at the garden, uh eleven dates 1088 01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:01,560 Speaker 1: or whatever it was. Will you come be my guest? 1089 01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:05,480 Speaker 1: I said sure. He said one caveat sit with my son. 1090 01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:08,480 Speaker 1: He's a fan. I said, I love to get to 1091 01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:12,640 Speaker 1: the show. Richie text me come backstage. Billy wants to 1092 01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:16,680 Speaker 1: meet you. I was like, yeah, So I go backstage. 1093 01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:23,960 Speaker 1: There's Billy. Billy introduced himself and I was hoping he'd say, hey, 1094 01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:27,200 Speaker 1: I love your music, but he said I've been reading 1095 01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:35,720 Speaker 1: a lot about you. Thanks, And I said I'm a 1096 01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:41,200 Speaker 1: huge fan a lot about you, you know. And uh, 1097 01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:44,760 Speaker 1: I was like cool, I'm gonna go back and sit 1098 01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:48,520 Speaker 1: in my chair now. And then years later, the phone 1099 01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:51,400 Speaker 1: rang and my dad said, hey, Billy wants you to 1100 01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:54,560 Speaker 1: open for him. And I said, Billy who? Because it's 1101 01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:58,360 Speaker 1: been you know. He said, Billy Joel you moron? And 1102 01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:01,280 Speaker 1: uh I said yeah, okay. When he said this date, 1103 01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:03,920 Speaker 1: that date, this one date, I said, good. Where is 1104 01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:05,680 Speaker 1: it going to be a place called the BB and 1105 01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:09,960 Speaker 1: T Center in South Florida. So I said, great, I 1106 01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:13,840 Speaker 1: go to the gig. I'm backstage. I just get their 1107 01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:19,600 Speaker 1: guitar player. Uh. Tommy Burns, Billy's guitar player, being forever, 1108 01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:22,640 Speaker 1: sees me backstage and he say, hey, Gavin Gavin, have 1109 01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,720 Speaker 1: you seen Billy yet? Billy's here? Have you seen him? 1110 01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:30,400 Speaker 1: I said no, No. He said, come outside, we're having 1111 01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:35,280 Speaker 1: a smoke. I said, oh, okay. I go outside. Guys 1112 01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:37,400 Speaker 1: are standing in a semi circle, billies in the middle, 1113 01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:42,080 Speaker 1: having a dragon. I walk out. Tommy says, Billy, Billy 1114 01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:46,840 Speaker 1: Gavins here, Gavin's here. I introduced myself again. I said, hey, man, 1115 01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:50,280 Speaker 1: thanks for thanks for having me, say thanks, thanks for 1116 01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:53,560 Speaker 1: coming out, you know, thanks for coming good. Glad glad 1117 01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:59,040 Speaker 1: you were able to come here. I said, listen, you're 1118 01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:03,840 Speaker 1: my idol. Okay, that's an honor. But I know there's 1119 01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:08,640 Speaker 1: other musicians out there who want this gig. But I 1120 01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:10,960 Speaker 1: want to say candidly, if you have anyone else in 1121 01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:16,240 Speaker 1: mind for opening for you, yo, funk that guy. I 1122 01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:23,760 Speaker 1: want this gig. They all started laughing. You know, he said, 1123 01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:27,160 Speaker 1: can you do more more dates? I said, all canceled 1124 01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:31,600 Speaker 1: dates to do these dates all cancel. You're such a 1125 01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:34,360 Speaker 1: huge influence on me. He was like, you're the guy 1126 01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:38,080 Speaker 1: you're hired, you know. And uh and he did and 1127 01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:40,959 Speaker 1: he and I'm man, he gave me a million dates. 1128 01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:42,840 Speaker 1: You know, we played the Garden a bunch of times. 1129 01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:45,520 Speaker 1: I don't even know how many times. You know. Fenway Park, 1130 01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:52,240 Speaker 1: uh uh, Wrigley Field. I lived around a corner from 1131 01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:55,120 Speaker 1: Fenway Park when I was at college. For about a year, 1132 01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:57,040 Speaker 1: I could never go to Fenway Park. I have money 1133 01:05:57,080 --> 01:06:00,200 Speaker 1: to go to Fenway Park. Then one day I hop 1134 01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:02,800 Speaker 1: in a shuttle bus, hop out of my hotel, getting 1135 01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:07,440 Speaker 1: a shuttle bus, drive through a tunnel, and I get 1136 01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:09,560 Speaker 1: out of a van in the middle of the field 1137 01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:12,800 Speaker 1: in fami Way Park because I'm gonna open for Billy 1138 01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:14,440 Speaker 1: that night. And I thought this was how I was 1139 01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:18,320 Speaker 1: supposed to see family the park. This is so much better, 1140 01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:22,960 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, I don't know, but I can understand 1141 01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:25,520 Speaker 1: how your inscription of it it is. Yeah, I don't 1142 01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:27,680 Speaker 1: get to do that. Yeah, I mean they may give 1143 01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:29,200 Speaker 1: me some free tickets in the outfield. I don't need 1144 01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:32,640 Speaker 1: to do that. You guys. Check out Face the River. 1145 01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:36,280 Speaker 1: It's just an amazing project. Thanks, you know. I I 1146 01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:40,919 Speaker 1: and I'll shut it down here. But at Gavin de girl, 1147 01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:44,920 Speaker 1: I can't believe that I bring up El Paso randomly, 1148 01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:50,240 Speaker 1: just in a comparison to to your town and the jails, 1149 01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:53,360 Speaker 1: and had nothing to do with anything. That's exactly right. 1150 01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:58,600 Speaker 1: That to me, that's that's wildencies that's why that's it. 1151 01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:01,040 Speaker 1: That is crazy. Listen, I prett share the typers the bank. 1152 01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:05,800 Speaker 1: You appreciate that, as you know. You should know, as 1153 01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:07,360 Speaker 1: you know, you would say the same thing to me 1154 01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:09,439 Speaker 1: if I were to get emotional talking to you. Never 1155 01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:12,040 Speaker 1: be sorry for your emotions. Yeah, man, So I'm just 1156 01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:13,680 Speaker 1: gonna hold that mirror up to you. That's what you 1157 01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:17,080 Speaker 1: would say to yourself. Well, you know, it's funny because 1158 01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:20,040 Speaker 1: you're right. You write the songs so you don't have 1159 01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:22,760 Speaker 1: to talk about stuff because you have a hard time 1160 01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:26,280 Speaker 1: talking about stuff. So you write the songs because you 1161 01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:31,240 Speaker 1: need to get it out of it, right. Um. But 1162 01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:33,480 Speaker 1: then people ask you about your songs if you're lucky 1163 01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:36,600 Speaker 1: and you don't want to do the songs of disservice 1164 01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:39,240 Speaker 1: for the people that are about so you gotta you 1165 01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:41,640 Speaker 1: gotta talk about it and and you gotta get it 1166 01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:43,440 Speaker 1: out of you anyway. And this was the opposite way 1167 01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:45,640 Speaker 1: to do it, opposite of a disservice. It's such a service. 1168 01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:48,280 Speaker 1: Appreciate it. Thank you, Gavin, Girl, you guys check out 1169 01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:52,000 Speaker 1: the project obviously. Another song I love on there's called 1170 01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:54,600 Speaker 1: Ford check that song. Thank you man. Yeah at Gavin 1171 01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:57,160 Speaker 1: a girl and thanks me. I appreciate it. Thank you bro, 1172 01:07:57,320 --> 01:08:00,280 Speaker 1: thanks so much. You know you mentioned you got lucky 1173 01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:03,160 Speaker 1: with I Don't Want to Be Again. I was in 1174 01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:06,200 Speaker 1: pop radio at that point. I don't know it from 1175 01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:10,320 Speaker 1: one Tree Hill, have to show it's on. I don't 1176 01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:13,439 Speaker 1: know it from that. I'll just know it from being 1177 01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:17,160 Speaker 1: played on the radio. So which is this Chicken her egg? Here? 1178 01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:20,680 Speaker 1: Was it a single? And then it got big and 1179 01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:22,800 Speaker 1: the TV show put it on or the TV show 1180 01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:25,360 Speaker 1: and then it went from there. Man, you know, it's 1181 01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:27,479 Speaker 1: funny with that song because I thought that was the 1182 01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:31,040 Speaker 1: obvious first single. My brother was screaming up all the 1183 01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:33,160 Speaker 1: time at me, you know, in our apartment in New York. 1184 01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:35,320 Speaker 1: He's like, that's just single. What's wrong with people? You know, 1185 01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:38,519 Speaker 1: like they need to put that out first. Um, but 1186 01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:42,519 Speaker 1: follow Through is the one, and um I got a 1187 01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:45,439 Speaker 1: phone call from a guy. The song hadn't been selected 1188 01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:47,000 Speaker 1: to be a single yet, and I got a phone 1189 01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:50,599 Speaker 1: phone call from a guy named Joe de Vola, and um, 1190 01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:54,040 Speaker 1: Joe de vol said, Hey, I want to use your 1191 01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:57,200 Speaker 1: song for a TV show. My ship not absolutely not. 1192 01:08:57,320 --> 01:09:01,240 Speaker 1: I don't even watch TV. TV stupid, you know. And uh, 1193 01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:05,400 Speaker 1: it's just you know, that's the New York you know, 1194 01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:09,320 Speaker 1: East Village art, you know snob at the time, you know, 1195 01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:12,679 Speaker 1: I was kicking around Alphabet City and you know, twenty 1196 01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:16,240 Speaker 1: years ago, right. So I said, no, I only watched TV. 1197 01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:19,040 Speaker 1: Who watches TV? And I don't want to be associated 1198 01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:21,679 Speaker 1: with it. He goes, listen, you gotta help me, help 1199 01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:25,040 Speaker 1: you the song I think would be a big song, 1200 01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:27,880 Speaker 1: and I want to put it in a show. I said, na, na, 1201 01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:30,679 Speaker 1: and I really appreciate it. You sound like a nice guy, 1202 01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:33,240 Speaker 1: but no, thanks. He goes, Okay, let me ask you 1203 01:09:33,280 --> 01:09:35,800 Speaker 1: another question, how much money you got in your bank 1204 01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:39,400 Speaker 1: account right now? And I was like, fuck you bro. 1205 01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:46,040 Speaker 1: He starts laughing, and uh, he goes, listen, think about it. 1206 01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:47,760 Speaker 1: We're not going to touch the song. We're just gonna 1207 01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:50,160 Speaker 1: put it in a place where people are gonna hear it, 1208 01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:53,320 Speaker 1: you know. And that show wasn't on yet. I wasn't 1209 01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:58,240 Speaker 1: even honest. Yeah, And I followed through. Apparently had been 1210 01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:00,960 Speaker 1: picked up and put in another that was in pilot, 1211 01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:04,800 Speaker 1: in pilot mode that never got actually never became big 1212 01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:07,080 Speaker 1: with I think Val Kilmers was about the porn industry. 1213 01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:12,439 Speaker 1: Followed through. I don't know, but anyway, um, but yeah, 1214 01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:14,640 Speaker 1: I said, you know what, all right, this guy's right. 1215 01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:17,599 Speaker 1: Guys like me aren't gonna be watching this stuff anyway 1216 01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:20,280 Speaker 1: and associated with certain things. I'm not going to associate 1217 01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:22,439 Speaker 1: it with a teen show. I'm not a teenager, you know. 1218 01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:26,559 Speaker 1: I was twenty seven at the time. I was adult. 1219 01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:30,640 Speaker 1: But I said, all right, do what do you know, man, 1220 01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:32,439 Speaker 1: Just do whatever you want with it. I appreciate it, 1221 01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:34,320 Speaker 1: and you know what, just do it, Just do it. 1222 01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:36,720 Speaker 1: And sure enough that the song took off. And then 1223 01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:39,880 Speaker 1: I walked into the label and I had a meeting 1224 01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:44,000 Speaker 1: with Clive Davis, and he said, Uh, with everything happening 1225 01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:49,960 Speaker 1: around this the show with the song you've heard clap talk, uh, 1226 01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:53,320 Speaker 1: the obvious next single would be I Don't Want to 1227 01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:55,439 Speaker 1: Be And I was like, all right, great, this is awesome. 1228 01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:57,880 Speaker 1: You know, so the song I originally wanted it is 1229 01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:01,000 Speaker 1: finally going to be the this single and it did it. 1230 01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:03,560 Speaker 1: It took off, and you know, fortunately that was a 1231 01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:06,360 Speaker 1: foot in the door in the door moment. You know, 1232 01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:10,479 Speaker 1: does that I don't know. Obviously it got you to 1233 01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:12,560 Speaker 1: the place that you originally wanted, meaning it's kind of 1234 01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:15,200 Speaker 1: a weird way that happened. You wanted it, they said no, 1235 01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:17,439 Speaker 1: you didn't want it to be on the TV show. 1236 01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:19,840 Speaker 1: Then you finally said yes, which got it back around 1237 01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:23,160 Speaker 1: where you wanted it. So, but do you look back 1238 01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:25,320 Speaker 1: at it being on the TV show and go, hm, 1239 01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:26,800 Speaker 1: I wish I wouldn't have done it, or I wish 1240 01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:28,160 Speaker 1: I would have done or you just like, you know 1241 01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:31,800 Speaker 1: what nailed it. It had to happen when people go, hey, 1242 01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:33,840 Speaker 1: I know you from One Tree Hill. That's right, right, 1243 01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:37,120 Speaker 1: When people go I know you from One Tree Hill, 1244 01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:42,160 Speaker 1: You're like, oh no, I say that's awesome because you 1245 01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:45,400 Speaker 1: know that's cool, okay, because how you found me, however 1246 01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:47,519 Speaker 1: you found me, however you found me. You know the 1247 01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:50,000 Speaker 1: fact that you know, twenty years later, if someone's coming 1248 01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:51,960 Speaker 1: up to me saying they know me from a team show, 1249 01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:55,799 Speaker 1: but they're still coming to my shows, that means somehow 1250 01:11:55,920 --> 01:12:00,080 Speaker 1: the music is making them feel good still, right, And 1251 01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:02,960 Speaker 1: if they're only coming for that one song, hey, god 1252 01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:04,840 Speaker 1: bless him. If they want to sit through two hours 1253 01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:08,200 Speaker 1: of music, you know, for me to get the song 1254 01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:10,799 Speaker 1: at the end of the night, you know, then cool. 1255 01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:13,080 Speaker 1: Did you ever have a stage where you disliked playing it? 1256 01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:15,640 Speaker 1: Did you play it so much? No? I've never not 1257 01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:20,200 Speaker 1: ever play it? Thank god. Well it's about to get 1258 01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:23,559 Speaker 1: real awkward. No, no, no, literally, But you know it's 1259 01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:27,040 Speaker 1: funny because I do know acts who talk about I 1260 01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:29,360 Speaker 1: don't want to play my hits. I don't want to 1261 01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:33,280 Speaker 1: do those anymore. And and I think to myself, does 1262 01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:36,240 Speaker 1: this mother know how lucky they are right now that 1263 01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:39,080 Speaker 1: they get to do this? You know, you got to 1264 01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:41,840 Speaker 1: pull them the side. But hey, listen, I know you 1265 01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:45,120 Speaker 1: know you've been doing this song every day since you 1266 01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:48,320 Speaker 1: wrote this song. But must I remind you you have 1267 01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:51,120 Speaker 1: one of the only jobs in the world that when 1268 01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:54,120 Speaker 1: you get to clock out, people collap for you and 1269 01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:55,800 Speaker 1: tell you what a good job you did. You know, 1270 01:12:56,360 --> 01:12:59,760 Speaker 1: name another one, you know, name another job you could 1271 01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:01,479 Speaker 1: think of that the end of your workday, people go, 1272 01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:06,679 Speaker 1: great job, that was amazing tonight. You know, you don't 1273 01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:09,599 Speaker 1: get that. Nobody gets that. You know, get up there 1274 01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:12,599 Speaker 1: and give them what they came for. You're so blessed 1275 01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:15,519 Speaker 1: to be able to do that, or you you you're 1276 01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:21,479 Speaker 1: you have forgotten how how tough real life really is. 1277 01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:23,760 Speaker 1: If you don't want to do a song for three 1278 01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:27,000 Speaker 1: and a half minutes for people who saved up three 1279 01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:29,719 Speaker 1: and a half months to drive three and a half 1280 01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:36,439 Speaker 1: hours to watch you sing that song, ill fuck you. Well, Okay, 1281 01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:40,200 Speaker 1: Gavin the Gross here and he's looking at me when 1282 01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:46,639 Speaker 1: he said that you listen as a fan. I'm glad 1283 01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:48,600 Speaker 1: that you feel that way, right And and with that 1284 01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:50,559 Speaker 1: being said, yeah, don't play the whole thing. Just give 1285 01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:52,120 Speaker 1: me that, give me the hook of that. I don't 1286 01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:56,400 Speaker 1: want to have them yelling. Just give me the hook 1287 01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:58,400 Speaker 1: and we'll call that a day on that one. All right, 1288 01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:01,200 Speaker 1: here's Gavin the girl hit me with that. I don't 1289 01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:08,120 Speaker 1: want to be Yeah, I don't want to be anything 1290 01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:11,519 Speaker 1: other than what I've been trying to be late, like 1291 01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:16,320 Speaker 1: for I have to dude thinking me in a piece 1292 01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:22,040 Speaker 1: of mind. I'm tired of looking around one's wanting what 1293 01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:26,920 Speaker 1: I got to do I'm supposed to be. I don't 1294 01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:32,639 Speaker 1: want to be anything other than me. That's awesome. Let's 1295 01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:34,479 Speaker 1: get to the new stuff now, that's what we all 1296 01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:36,559 Speaker 1: came for. It. Want to be drove three and half hours. 1297 01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:38,240 Speaker 1: I don't want to yell at me again. I was 1298 01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:44,559 Speaker 1: thinking about leaving. You leave after that. Everybody a studio 1299 01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:45,000 Speaker 1: around