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Speaker 1: Come on, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to another episode

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Speaker 1: of Club Shayshe on the road, I met the ufc

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Speaker 1: APEX right here in Las Vegas, Nevada, and the guy

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Speaker 1: that's stopping by for conversation, and he's gonna give me

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Speaker 1: some pointers on how to prow puncher and have the

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Speaker 1: right technique just in case something pop pop. He's the

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Speaker 1: first mail boxer in history to become a two weight

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Speaker 1: division undisputed world champion in the four beilt era. He's

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Speaker 1: the first mail boxer in history to become a two

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Speaker 1: time undisputed champion, a threeweight ring magazine champion, a four

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Speaker 1: weight division world champion. He's six times fight the other year.

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Speaker 1: He's won ten world titles across four weight classes. He's

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Speaker 1: the undefeated, and then he's a reigning WBA Super well

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Speaker 1: toweight champion. Here he is, Ladies and gentlemen, the pride

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Speaker 1: of Omaha budd Crawlers gone on.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, you let your god damn, let's bob out

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Speaker 2: of cardy. Now you ain't hold up?

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Speaker 1: Hold up boy, you circling Bud.

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Speaker 2: You certain.

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Speaker 1: Boy, don't do that.

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Speaker 2: I would have called look at that, don't do that

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Speaker 2: don't do that.

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Speaker 1: But I'm just gonna that the cope.

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Speaker 2: All right, you go, You're good.

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Speaker 1: Good to see you, man, How you mean that?

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Speaker 2: Man, I've been great.

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Speaker 3: I've been great all my life, grinding all my life, sacrifice, hustle,

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Speaker 3: back price, one slice, got the brothers sat all my life.

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Speaker 3: I've been grinding all my life, all my life, grinning

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Speaker 3: all my life, sacrifice, hustle, bad price, one slice, got

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Speaker 3: the brother squat all my life. I've been grinding all

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Speaker 3: my life.

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Speaker 4: You're a flip part right on whatever I need to

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Speaker 4: be on, Hold on, hold on, let me get let

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Speaker 4: me get this the doctor. That's the thing, that's the theme.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna take your right right, I'm gonna. I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: just so I know you ain't got no left, So

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Speaker 4: i'm gonna just I'm gonna you know that, because you

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Speaker 4: told me, Lie, Look, I'm gonna just take it.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna just.

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Speaker 2: Look at it, all right.

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Speaker 1: So here a temple. I gotta protect the temples.

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Speaker 4: Right, Okay, So first and foremost you're too square, you

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Speaker 4: know what I mean? There you go, snow. If you're

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Speaker 4: right here, man, I can hit you with every every

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Speaker 4: punch in the book. But if you're right here, you

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Speaker 4: know what I mean, it's gonna be harder. And you

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Speaker 4: you slimmer, you're you're a harder target.

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Speaker 2: All right. Now you're big man, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: First and foremost, your elbows out. Man, you're gonna be

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Speaker 4: getting here with body shot your toe a little bit,

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Just a back one a

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Speaker 4: little bit. Because when you when you when you punching,

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Speaker 4: you want to spring off. You want to spring. That's

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Speaker 4: gonna get you a little a little spring and stuff.

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Speaker 4: There you go, Relax, relax, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: Then when you jab, you want to spring golf of

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Speaker 4: that one and you just want to step and slide

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Speaker 4: there you go. Yeah, yeah, but I got a break

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Speaker 4: you with it. Yeah, sokay, so I might bop you

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Speaker 4: feel me?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: So when you when you jab, you want to boom,

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Speaker 4: just keep it tight boom. Don't don't pull it up

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Speaker 4: too much because now you're straining yourself.

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Speaker 2: Just let it. Just let it flow you boom. You

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Speaker 2: ain't even got to be hard. You just let it flow.

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Speaker 2: Let it flow.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, chaining down a little bit, get that right there.

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Speaker 4: You want to protect your chin a little bit.

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Speaker 1: O yo, talking about protect your temple. See o jo,

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Speaker 1: you don't got me knocked out. I got professionally here.

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Speaker 1: I know I shouldn't listen to talk about. But you

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Speaker 1: take your temple. You know you're you're gonna protect that too.

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Speaker 1: But but you okay protecting this? But how do I

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Speaker 1: keep from getting body shot?

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Speaker 2: Man?

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Speaker 4: Because listen, you know what I mean, if you got

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Speaker 4: drop them. But if your elbows out here, if your

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Speaker 2: Boom. Come man, you gotta tell you're gonna throw the

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Speaker 2: body I can see it. I ain't get for that.

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Speaker 2: So when you hear you just you just drop them.

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Speaker 4: You just drop them because you always want to keep

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Speaker 4: if I if I throw a jab, you just boom boom.

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Speaker 4: You don't you want to stop. You don't want to

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Speaker 4: do that because you do that, I might fake you.

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Speaker 1: So you that that's the faint you're talking about. Come

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Speaker 4: See there, you go. You just catch it, just catch it. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: there you go, but.

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Speaker 2: Not pulling out. You pulling, don't pull.

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Speaker 1: So so so let'sten you throw I do this in

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Speaker 1: back right.

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Speaker 2: So I'm boom said, I'm gonna step in.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna step in and crack you. So if you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, getting hit with something that you don't see.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: The puns, A lot of punts that damn there always

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Speaker 1: So how do we protect against the upper cut?

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Speaker 4: Well, there's two things that you got to worry about

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Speaker 4: with the uppercut.

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Speaker 1: You gotta being close to do it. Now you throw

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Speaker 4: Right, you're right, But this is this is another case

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Speaker 4: where I say, you knowing your combinations, you know, and

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Speaker 2: Try not to get over this knee which one your

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Speaker 4: Over when you over there, when you when you've been down,

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Speaker 4: that's when that's when. That's when they need. Now Remember

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Speaker 4: I said not getting out of position. If you're in position,

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Speaker 4: it's gonna be hard to hit you with an upper

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Speaker 4: And if you do get hit, boom, you kind of

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Speaker 4: want to you want to get back, you know what

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Speaker 4: what I mean, and I come here, just open that boom.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you don't even gotta do see here is the thing.

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Speaker 1: Don't see. But you're gonna count and see what I

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Speaker 1: knocked this down.

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Speaker 4: No, I can't counter. I can't counter what I'm counting with. Okay,

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Speaker 4: if I touch you with this, you got your hand

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Speaker 4: I can't be teaching.

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Speaker 2: I can't even give them to jewels somebody like give

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't be giving you too much saying it

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Speaker 4: because now you're gonna try to box and you're gonna

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Speaker 4: do this.

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Speaker 2: Channing gonna come and call Jake Paul.

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Speaker 1: Out, No, hell no, I gotta fight somebody that got

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Speaker 1: liberty skills like myself. Somebody somebody that finish their fifties

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Speaker 1: don't know anything about boxing. Okay, you you you like

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Speaker 1: you fight from the Orthodox aside both? What do you

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Speaker 1: southball stands the Orthodox, and I'm gonna fight from the South, Paul,

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Speaker 1: this is my Orthodoxy. So you want me to fight?

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Speaker 1: So what are you trying to do? Are you trying

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Speaker 1: to stay in? You're trying to stay inside? You trying

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Speaker 1: to stay outside? You try to step on my foot.

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Speaker 2: I ain't trying to step on your foot. It just

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Speaker 2: depends on what I'm trying to.

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Speaker 1: Do, okay, because a lot of times you get a

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Speaker 4: I can't let you take the outside, you know what

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Speaker 4: I mean, and and hit you with some shots. And

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Speaker 4: to do at the moment, I'm trying to I'm trying

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Speaker 4: not let you hit me with your power shot.

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Speaker 2: Which one ain't my power shot.

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Speaker 4: If you say I'm gonna thank you left, okay, so

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna hit you with a power shot. That's not

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Speaker 4: what the left that's okay. I don't feel it got

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Speaker 4: that same kind of sting, that same kind of venom.

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Speaker 2: Why do you think that, because.

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Speaker 1: I just I just feel that. Let me see it. Actually,

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Speaker 2: They both they both do what they suposed to do.

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Speaker 1: I know that that that that, but I think that

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Speaker 4: I'm telling you, if you watch their history, these ones

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Speaker 4: I put them to sleep with left.

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Speaker 1: But but what you can do, you can put punches.

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Speaker 1: Which one you want.

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Speaker 2: Let me see.

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Speaker 1: This. This is a little big I'm hitting me with

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Speaker 1: this one. This got put this one.

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Speaker 2: They be scared of this one. So this one put

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Speaker 1: But see if your your your right is bigger than

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Speaker 1: your left, you know, yes it is, look at it.

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Speaker 4: No, my left is bigger yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you see how you got here. That's the delayed reaction.

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Speaker 4: That's the delayed reaction that I'm telling you about.

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Speaker 2: I say, what is the yeah? All right?

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Speaker 4: So when you when you hooking, you here, you want

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Speaker 2: So this so you hear right here, say you want

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: But when you when.

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Speaker 4: You hook, you want to change your You want to

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Speaker 4: hook from the hips. So when you hook, boom, this

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Speaker 4: So you're here and it's gonna go boom. So you

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Speaker 4: can do it forty five or you can do straight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So so you want to be a Mike Tyson. So

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Speaker 1: Be because because hold on, because I like to think

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Speaker 1: I'm fighting the hell, I would be a heavyweight. The

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Speaker 4: So so here we're here. Come from the shoulders. Relax, relax,

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Speaker 2: It hips, use your hips. I did you got bad? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: You need some stretching.

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Speaker 1: You need some stretching. Your hymns is like this.

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Speaker 4: Right now, use your hips when you're coming in there.

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Speaker 4: You hear bom, and that's where that tour gonna come from.

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Speaker 2: The hips.

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Speaker 4: Your legs all the way up in there. So you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm blowed. Get about five of the motherfuckers in here.

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Speaker 1: He didn't hit me with everything the upper cut left

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Speaker 4: No, it's all good man. It's hot in him.

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Speaker 1: The hardest day, like when you see like watching a

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Speaker 1: It ain't just diseasy. It's just like walking out the corner,

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Speaker 1: is it? Because I've been in the corner, you know,

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Speaker 4: Facts, So getting out the corner could be difficult. It

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Speaker 4: bam bam. You got three things you can do, right.

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Speaker 4: You can smother me, no, no, smother him. You can

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Speaker 4: you can close the distance right, so it's like here

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Speaker 4: when you get up under you Okay, you know what

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Speaker 2: You got that. You can grab me.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's what I mean.

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Speaker 2: You can grab me. You can just step around and

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean. Step step around her feet.

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Speaker 1: but I probably hurt.

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Speaker 2: Ain't But that's what I'm saying. If you hurt, you

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Speaker 2: better grab me. Okay, you know what I mean? Everybody think,

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Speaker 2: oh man, he punk, If you grab me, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: grab you right hold up, let me let me get

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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, then I'm gonna get back to the center

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Speaker 4: of the ring. And then you know what I mean,

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Speaker 4: You have to work for it now because you.

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Speaker 1: Don't let me. You don't let me out of there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you know you want to you

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Speaker 2: want to do one when you tired?

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Speaker 1: Another thing, bro throw punches. He in trouble. It's hard

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Speaker 4: Bud man, it is, Bud. You gotta That's why you

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Speaker 4: then you shouldn't have that type of problems really, or

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Speaker 4: you know, when when you is tired, you than train

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Speaker 4: so are that you learn how to deal with being

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Speaker 1: You know when you tie? Does it get more difficult

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Speaker 1: if it's a fight, you know, and it's you know,

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Speaker 1: starts to pick up. Does it get harder to get

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 4: But at the same time, we all didn't got tired before,

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Speaker 4: but now that's when that second win kitchen.

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Speaker 1: Do you know when someone's getting tired?

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Speaker 2: Of course? Can you tell we all can you know?

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Speaker 4: Well, we can, we can you know, uh, certain things,

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Speaker 4: you know, body languages and you know when you tie

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Speaker 4: the mouth, when you tie up and in the clinch.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean, you can.

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Speaker 4: Like, oh, you you tell them a little bit of pressure,

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Speaker 4: or they not fighting the same level that they was

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Speaker 1: You're taking all that information in yeah, of course, you know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're in a street fighting right, let's go people, man,

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Speaker 1: He ain't fight fair, ain't no.

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Speaker 2: Fear, no street fight, ain't nothing, ain't nothing.

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Speaker 1: Fair in bottle a brad. Whatever the casion may be

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Speaker 1: on the street.

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Speaker 2: Fight I'm gonna hurt you.

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Speaker 1: See, I don't want to hurt you.

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Speaker 2: I don't, I don't. I don't want to fight. And

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Speaker 2: straight I'm gonna hurt you, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: But they they they your hands with deadly weapons. So

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Speaker 1: you can't get a fight. It's best for you to

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Speaker 1: just like hey, bro, nah, just be like.

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Speaker 2: Man, just chill oud man, because I'm gonna suck you up.

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Speaker 1: I'm over here, bro a bro, ain't on what you already?

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, go ahead, or you got it, you.

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Speaker 4: Got it, you got it, you got it. That's because

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Speaker 4: the order me. Because here's the thing. But people they

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Speaker 4: look at you, they look at your size. Yeah, and

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Speaker 4: that's the biggest mistake that you can make on somebody.

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Speaker 4: First thing I'm looking for I'm looking at his ears.

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Speaker 4: You got college fly, you might be ufc to have

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Speaker 4: you flopping and everybody, Now you're.

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Speaker 2: Mean, I ain't worried about that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but bum saying though, buddy, you got hands like that.

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Speaker 1: Everybody got hands to me. I'm looking at it.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at your hands in your body language.

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Speaker 1: Nah, but I see, hey, I'm not gonna let you

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Speaker 1: get apartment. I'm looking at the mirrors from.

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Speaker 4: An even if I'm not on you, I'm looking at

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Speaker 4: your hands, in your body language. That's the first thing

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Speaker 4: I'm looking at because we're in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean? What what.

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Speaker 1: Hey?

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Speaker 2: Ain't nobody fight no more so he's just like, man, listen,

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Speaker 2: you good, you got it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah you got to like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that's what I thought. Yeah, you're right, You're right, bro,

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Speaker 2: you got it.

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Speaker 4: And I just leave peacefully. Yeah, then when you come outside.

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Speaker 1: No, if I leave people getting I'm going. But that's

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Speaker 1: the thing that I would tell you is that like

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Speaker 1: if you getting into it and y'all once the voices

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Speaker 1: start to raise, bud and it's all that mofos and bet.

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Speaker 2: And we closed, I probably already punched you.

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Speaker 1: That's the same. But you not go let somebody close

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Speaker 1: the distance.

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Speaker 4: I'm not about to argue with your way over there though.

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Speaker 4: That's the thing, okay, you know I'm not about to.

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Speaker 4: That's that we used to call uh people like that.

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Speaker 4: They scared because they want everybody to to come in

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Speaker 4: and hey, man, y'all need to start.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 4: But if if we everybody to do this like what

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Speaker 4: you're talking about, and we here, we here we're not

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Speaker 4: about to man, what you say?

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Speaker 2: Send it? Send it? What's that stuff you said? Man said? No,

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Speaker 2: I beat you up. Man.

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Speaker 5: Now, everybody's gonna break it up and now and everybody listen.

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Speaker 1: Hey, but hey, I would take you mos.

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Speaker 4: Oh listen, listen, listen, listen. All right, were on the

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Speaker 4: streets were not well?

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Speaker 1: Ohay that little.

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Speaker 2: Boy? What boy? Oh? No boy, no boy? Yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: what I want. I say. You're gonna be tired minute.

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Speaker 1: I'm already tired about what you're talking about. What you're

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Speaker 1: talking about the mint.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna be tired in the minute.

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Speaker 4: I'm already You're gonna be tired in a minute. All right, now, Shanny,

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Speaker 4: sit back, say back, breathe me. Now, listen, you did

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Speaker 4: good that round. Okay, but you didn't do good. I see,

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Speaker 4: I see what you're trying to do. But you gotta

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Speaker 4: keep your hands up.

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Speaker 1: Okay, go back to the BASSA one to Okay.

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Speaker 2: Keep the jabba. Come on, get out there, champing?

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Speaker 1: Hey, how many how many more minutes we got?

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Speaker 2: Coach? He get out there? You got you got another round? Hey? Okay, how.

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Speaker 4: All the muscles? I told you? I told you you

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Speaker 4: was gonna get tired with all your muscles. I told

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Speaker 4: you and see I'm little, yeah see and and you

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Speaker 4: didn't get me out of there.

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Speaker 1: Now you I got you out in the first round.

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Speaker 2: Now it's gonna now.

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Speaker 4: Now, now it's my turn. You're gonna be rolling around

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Speaker 4: and stuff.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna drag me to the DP.

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Speaker 4: Hey, you're gonna be rolling around.

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Speaker 2: Tell you about.

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Speaker 1: I got as like Tommy Hurd has had on Martin Longo.

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Speaker 2: Hey, you're gonna be talking about you got as.

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Speaker 1: You ain't never do you see? I see, I see,

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Speaker 1: I decided to do something.

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Speaker 4: You know, the time I can't breathe. That's how them

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Speaker 4: big dudes on my head coach.

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Speaker 2: All times.

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Speaker 6: I was bro remember saying, though five on folk these

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Speaker 6: days winning only din it? I know fail so many

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Speaker 6: times now getting dance strong took so many ails down

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Speaker 6: money getting.

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Speaker 1: We were you were bull jabbing it up I did.

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Speaker 1: I was like, you threw a punch. I would do

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Speaker 1: this and I will come back. He was like, man,

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Speaker 1: that's a little ass. Points matter hit you like sel

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Speaker 1: eight times. Alright, So with somebody like that drag and

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Speaker 1: and Florida is good with that. Like somebody throwing he probably.

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Speaker 2: Bailed, did you?

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Speaker 1: I mean, how do you know what's coming? And then

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Speaker 1: how do you conteract that?

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Speaker 2: Floyd is so good as timing people? Yeah, I got speed.

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Speaker 4: So by time you already threw your hand out, he

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Speaker 4: already didn't seen it, and he already in motion to

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Speaker 4: hit you.

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Speaker 2: So the only thing you can do is five. It's

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Speaker 2: just bracebok, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: So when you out of position, Floyd is good at

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Speaker 4: getting fighters out of position, right, So when you're out

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Speaker 4: of position, you know what I mean, you just got

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Speaker 4: to eat it.

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Speaker 1: You know what if it's like because a lot of

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Speaker 1: people say, well Floyd Floyd ain't got no power. But

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Speaker 1: if he ain't got no power, white people didn't walk

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Speaker 1: him down. He did something to keep y'all look off it.

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Speaker 1: Fact is it is speed? Is power generated through speed

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Speaker 1: or is it generated through sitting down? Okay?

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Speaker 2: Both?

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Speaker 4: You know, because I can hit you with something something

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Speaker 4: fast and you don't see.

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Speaker 2: It, and you be like oh shit, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean.

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00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 4: It's like whip flash, or I can hit you with

442
00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 4: something that you see but I sat down on it

443
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 4: and it's like boom, and you're like, man, this motherfucker.

444
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:55,359
Speaker 2: And crack me. You know what I mean?

445
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,120
Speaker 4: Right, So it's both. You know, speed is powered though,

446
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 4: but the ones that you don't see hurt you or work.

447
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's the thing is. It's that. That's what

448
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 1: I tell people, like, what's the hardest you've been hit? Well,

449
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 1: I didn't see it. I'm going here and I'm like, damn, well,

450
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 1: if I see you coming.

451
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 2: I can you embrace for it.

452
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:11,879
Speaker 4: I can brace for it and you can feel the

453
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 4: force and you can know that it was it was powerful, right,

454
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:15,880
Speaker 4: you know, but but.

455
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 1: You took a lot of the sting out of it

456
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:18,639
Speaker 1: because you brace for it. But that one that you

457
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,879
Speaker 1: don't see when you in the ring, and you like,

458
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,360
Speaker 1: because the hardest thing is is the state focused once

459
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 1: you tired? Is that? And they you know, Coach Lombardi

460
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 1: once said, fatigue make cowards of us.

461
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 2: All.

462
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 1: So, all of a sudden, now you and because everybody

463
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 1: feels good, the first couple of round, you're like, yeah, yeah,

464
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,920
Speaker 1: I feel good. Age, you're doing good, Son, you're doing good.

465
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,159
Speaker 1: You're on your told you bounced a round. Now we

466
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,639
Speaker 1: get around six or seven, and now all of a sudden,

467
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 1: the punch is starting to uptick. So instead of throwing ten, fifteen,

468
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 1: twenty punches. Now all of a sudden, it's a thirty

469
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 1: forty fifty punch output. Now you got to really stay

470
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:57,120
Speaker 1: focused because when you get tired, that jaw drop. Now

471
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 1: you're in the middle of the ring.

472
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:00,400
Speaker 2: So how do you how do you stay?

473
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 1: How do you stay? Really? Because I think the biggest

474
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 1: thing is staying relaxed, because that takes a lot of energy.

475
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 4: It's it's it's something that a lot of fighters, you know,

476
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 4: struggle with. But being that I'm an experience and I've

477
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 4: been doing it for so long, I'm used to it.

478
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 4: You know, I'm used to staying calm in the storm.

479
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 4: You know, all great fighters is used to it. You

480
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 4: got you know, it comes with experience. I'm gonna just

481
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 4: say it comes with the experience.

482
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 2: You know. Uh, some fighters, you see, they throwing a.

483
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 4: Hundred punches around and you know, they aven got no

484
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 4: look on their face.

485
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 2: It's because they've been doing it for so long, right.

486
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 2: You know.

487
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 4: Other other fighters, you know, you see them breaking down

488
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 4: and falling apart when they get tired, you know, And

489
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,440
Speaker 4: you know that's when the inexperience come into play. When

490
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 4: you're tired, you gotta go back to the fundamentals, you know,

491
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,439
Speaker 4: keep your hands up and stick to your guns.

492
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 1: That's the hard hardest thing because you know doing it,

493
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: and people like man three readers say nothing. I was like,

494
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 1: I'll tell you, tell you what. Just hold your hand.

495
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 1: I ain't say throw no punches. I want you to

496
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:10,919
Speaker 1: hold your hands just like this for three minutes and

497
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,439
Speaker 1: just move around there. That's it. Now do that and

498
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 1: just you know, just shatow. But I ain't talking about

499
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 1: you know, you got to throw no power and let

500
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 1: me know how you feel. Now do that for twelve

501
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 1: rounds and see how you feel. Three minutes doesn't seem

502
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 1: like a long time, but when you're getting stalked or

503
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 1: you're stalking somebody, that's a long period of time. Because

504
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: the hardest thing that I found out, Bud, that I

505
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 1: stopped breathing. I hold my breath and now here we

506
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 1: are men at the half of it, rateon, I'm exhausted.

507
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 1: I'm exhausted, so I couldn't the hardest thing for me

508
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: is that I couldn't relax because when I run around, Budd,

509
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 1: I'm holding my breath. I'm not breathing. Catch the ball, run,

510
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 1: I start breathing again, I can't do that.

511
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 4: In boxing and on you can't do that, and you

512
00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 4: can't say, coach, let me take one.

513
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: Hut be doing You can't.

514
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 4: You can't go on the sideline and be like, let

515
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:09,439
Speaker 4: me take two players.

516
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, let me.

517
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 2: Get me if you yeah. Yeah.

518
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 4: But I love it though. I love it though, because

519
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 4: you know, I'm so competitive. It's like I used to

520
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 4: get into it with my teammates because of the wrong

521
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 4: things that they were doing, or they're not working as

522
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 4: hard as I am. You know, if I want to

523
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,959
Speaker 4: win so bad that I'm about to beat you up

524
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 4: because you like, I don't care. It's just one play.

525
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 4: No one play can cause us the game, right, you know?

526
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 2: Or you missing layups you know what I mean?

527
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 4: Like that that that's on the team, Like, nah, cut

528
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 4: it out, it's gonna be on me.

529
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 2: Let me put it on my back.

530
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: At any point in time in your career, I'm not

531
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,439
Speaker 1: just saying professionally, your amateur career when you was taught,

532
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: did you feel that you went into the ring and

533
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: you weren't prepared?

534
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 2: Most definitely? Most definitely.

535
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 4: I mean I hadn't lost twice as an amateur for

536
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 4: not being prepared and not being in shape, and they

537
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 4: just all worked me. I remember, you know what i mean,

538
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 4: going to the corner out of shape and I'm like, man,

539
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 4: this he couldn't fight.

540
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:17,880
Speaker 1: Right, you know what I mean.

541
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 4: But he's just punching and I'm out there trying to

542
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 4: knock my out, wing in and stuff, and I'm just like, man,

543
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 4: I don't never want to feel that that feeling ever

544
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 4: again in life, because it's like, for one, it's embarrassing

545
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 4: to be this this top amateur and you losing to people.

546
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 2: That you know, yeah yeah, yeah.

547
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 4: So it's just like, bro, if I'm in shape and

548
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 4: I'm trained to the best of my ability, I don't

549
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 4: think nobody can beat me. That's just been my model

550
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 4: my whole life since I've been working, like really working

551
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 4: in the gym. Because when when you're little, you come

552
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 4: in the gym, you hit the speedbag, you play around

553
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 4: with your friends and stuff like that, and y'all go

554
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 4: to tournaments and y'all just go to tournaments.

555
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 2: But when you start.

556
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 4: Getting to that elite level and the amateurs, like everybody's good,

557
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 4: you know, you're fighting different styles every day you you fighting,

558
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Overseas and stuff like that.

559
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 4: So it changed my life and my training resimeent. So

560
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 4: everything was.

561
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 2: Like hard, go go, go, go go.

562
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 4: And then you start seeing the outcome, It's like, oh man,

563
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 4: if I'm.

564
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 2: This this terance right man, these boys can't be me. Wow.

565
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 4: And then looking at the way Floyd Mayweather train that

566
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 4: was so inspired. You know how you know he'll run

567
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 4: from the strip club like everybody think, you know, just

568
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 4: because he's out there party.

569
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 2: He don't drink or smoke. He had run from the

570
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 2: strip club.

571
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 4: You always working, just working, working, And I just took

572
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 4: that from Floyd, like I just just work.

573
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 2: Stop, stop, let back through.

574
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 6: If you see the smoke, I'm not just sailing all

575
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 6: my guess made it killing what it costs to get

576
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 6: a million. I'm living life for real. Can't be out

577
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 6: here moving semit. They love to see you feel this

578
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 6: risky a minute.

579
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 1: What gave Bud Crawford the confidence that he could be

580
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: a world champion.

581
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 4: Of the doctors, the doctors and my belief in myself,

582
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 4: you know, I think me believing in myself and the

583
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 4: heart that I pose within my my chest, that I

584
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 4: don't care who you is.

585
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 2: If you ain't fault me, you can't.

586
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: You can't.

587
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 4: Nobody tell me you can beat me, right, you know,

588
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 4: So it just always being that I had a chip

589
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 4: on my shoulder and every sport to prove like I

590
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 4: belong here, I'm better than these guys that you're praising.

591
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 2: So I just always carry myself like.

592
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: You still have that. Now you won ten belts over

593
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: four different weight divisions, you are too, your two division

594
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: undisputed in the four belt era. You're the only male

595
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: that's done that. You still have doubts, You still feel.

596
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 2: You have something to prove, of course.

597
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: Because they don't believe you gonna be able to do

598
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: what you what you believe you could do.

599
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 2: Except facts.

600
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 4: And that's and that's the joy in it, you know,

601
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 4: proving everybody wrong. You know, havn't having the ability to

602
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 4: see the look on everybody's face when everybody say, oh man,

603
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 4: he's this, he ain't for nobody, or he's not that good,

604
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 4: or he's gonna get knocked out.

605
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 2: I've been hearing that my whole career, you know, and.

606
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 4: Then when I succeed, then it's so no, it's not quiet.

607
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 4: It's so it's like I didn't faught everybody that everybody

608
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 4: wanted me to fight.

609
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 2: But then it's, oh, you haven't fought nobody, Okay.

610
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: Cool, you know, and I heard that because when you fall,

611
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: Earl man, that car rich took everything he had out

612
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: of him. So if you'd have falled it three years before,

613
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: that ain't no way, Earl White white floor. So let

614
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: me ask you this in septem are you gonna pull this?

615
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: I shook up the world. I told you, I told you,

616
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: I told you, I told you, I told you that.

617
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 4: Definitely, that's definitely gonna be you know what I mean.

618
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 4: One in the moments, you know, and I just smile

619
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 4: because a lot of the people that personally know me,

620
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 4: they know they like man, I don't know why they

621
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 4: doubting that boy, you know, and it's cool, But I

622
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 4: need that. I need the doubters to fuel me. I

623
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 4: need the people to say, oh, well, look at his

624
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 4: fight again, smag him off.

625
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 2: You know what you think he'll do if he go

626
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 2: up two more away classes.

627
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 4: I need that, you know, because that that's gonna make

628
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 4: me more focused and turn into a different animal.

629
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 2: So I need the people to say I can't do this.

630
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 4: Or I'm not good enough, or I'm not strong enough,

631
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 4: or this person gonna knock me out because that makes

632
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 4: me get up and you know, turn into super.

633
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: Say rights, as you move up in weight, some of

634
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: the time they're say, well, you move up and weight,

635
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: you lose some of the power. But do you feel

636
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: that you'll still be able to maintain that level of

637
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: quickness moving up to weight classes? I mean that's gonna

638
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: be fourteen pounds, moving up fourteen pounds, are you still

639
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: gonna be able to possess Because everybody says, well, Canelo

640
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: has power, that's his natural fighting weight. You're moving up,

641
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: that's not your natural fighting weight. You have the speed advantage,

642
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: So are you going to be able to maintain that

643
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: speed advantage and still be able to pack a punch?

644
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 2: Of course? You know, I think you know, if you

645
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 2: can punch, you can punch.

646
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 4: Okay, you know, it may not have the same effect

647
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 4: that it did on a smaller guy on a bigger guy,

648
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 4: but if you if you're sharp, you're sharp, right, you know,

649
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 4: and I don't got to knock him out, I just

650
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,479
Speaker 4: got to beat him, right. A lot of people are

651
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 4: thinking just because a person punch harder.

652
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 2: Than you know, another fighter that they automatic on win.

653
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 4: It's a lot of fighters that lost, you know, and

654
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 4: they punched way harder than the fighter that they lost to. Right,

655
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 4: Canelo is not just a puncher.

656
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 2: I don't know why. That's that's what people believe.

657
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 4: It's just like this, they don't know boxing. They just

658
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 4: looking at him being strong. He's a great boxer, you.

659
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 2: Know what I mean.

660
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,959
Speaker 4: People taking away from his boxing skills and just thinking

661
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 4: that he's just this puncher when that's not true. So

662
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 4: that's why I laugh, because we're not just looking at

663
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 4: Canelo as a puncher.

664
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 2: Were looking at him as a whole fighter, a complete fighter.

665
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 4: You know, he can take a punch, he can deliver

666
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 4: a punch, he can counter punch you, he can box you,

667
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 4: he can punch on you, you know what I mean.

668
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 4: A good body puncher, good you know, fighter that got

669
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 4: good balance. He never getting out of position. So we

670
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 4: looking at all that.

671
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: Where were you when you decided to say, you know what,

672
00:32:58,360 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: my next great event?

673
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 2: It's crazy, I don't even know. I don't even know

674
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 2: where I.

675
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 4: Was at, but it was like, I'm always willing to

676
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 4: challenge myself, like like today with you.

677
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 2: You know, it's just it's just it's just it's just emmy.

678
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 2: It's just a competitive nature, emmy.

679
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 4: You know, if I was sitting sitting next to Michael

680
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 4: Jordan and I'd be like, man, let's play one on one.

681
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 4: Let me see how many I can score on you.

682
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 4: You know, that's just that's just me so accomplishing so

683
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 4: much and failing to have the many pack y'all fights,

684
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 4: you know, the Kodo fights and the Shane Mosley that

685
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 4: all the other great fighters had when these fighters was

686
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 4: on their way out, you know, that made them, you know,

687
00:33:56,040 --> 00:34:00,040
Speaker 4: the star that they is not having those guys to

688
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 4: share the ring with, right, It's like, oh, man, what

689
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 4: can you do to leap frog those fighters? Why not

690
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 4: go up three with weight classes? I wanted to go

691
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 4: up three just to be honest. I didn't want to

692
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 4: fight at one fifty four. I want to go You

693
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 4: want to go straight from forty seven to sixty eight?

694
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 2: Yes? I did. It is documented.

695
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 4: I wanted to go from one forty seven on one

696
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 4: sixty eight just because I want to challenge myself.

697
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 2: But that's it, Yeah, that's and that's the joy of it.

698
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 4: That's the joy of it. Everybody's like, man, boy, you're crazy. Yeah,

699
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 4: you got to be crazy to think of things.

700
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, because that's not a whole lot of guys. I mean,

701
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: Roy went from one sixty eight to one and he

702
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: weighed the heavyweight and he I think he weighed one

703
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: ninety three in that fight, So that was basically I mean,

704
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: that's twenty five pounds that he went up. You be

705
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: going up twenty you be going up twenty one pounds,

706
00:34:55,800 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: and normally guys like go up incrementally. You know you

707
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: thought it, because if I'm not mistaken, I think Sugar

708
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: Ray and Durance fought it lightweight that win thirty five.

709
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: I think No. One forty seven. Yeah, because I know,

710
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: I know, I know, Uh, Sugar Ray and Haggler, I'm

711
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: excuse my hearents forty forty seven. But Sugar Ray and

712
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: Hagler thought it went sixty and I'm like, okay, one

713
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 1: forty seven, he go to one fifty four, he go

714
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 1: to one sixty.

715
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 2: We cool, okay, But now I okay, I like that.

716
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 1: But think about going to super middle.

717
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's that's the excitement about it. You know

718
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 4: when I look at it, like, I always had this

719
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 4: this mind frame of the bigger they are, the harder

720
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 4: they fall. Okay, I've been beating up big dudes all night.

721
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 4: It's just even if they didn't, I'm gonna beat you up.

722
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 4: You know I can fight right, you know. So if

723
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 4: you watch like all these dudes bigger than me, yeah,

724
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 4: you know, like I don't care, but I'm going to

725
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 4: find a way win no matter what.

726
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: Okay, you win this fight, then what who you? I mean?

727
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 1: Where you go from that? Bud? You can't go back down?

728
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 2: I might go to heavyweight now I just fla but

729
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 2: who I mean?

730
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: I mean? I mean once you let's just say for

731
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 1: the sake of argument, and I'm gonna say, you know, Bud,

732
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 1: you win, you win this fight at one sixty eight.

733
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: You can't fight someone else. You can't fight anybody at

734
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: one forty seven because their bout say why these fight

735
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: that way?

736
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:27,919
Speaker 2: Yeah? I can't.

737
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 4: I can't make one forty seven either, anyway, you can't

738
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 4: make one forty seven again, what about fifty four?

739
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 2: Junior middle And we're gonna go to one sixty eight.

740
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: So you're gonna go to one sixty eight to stay there.

741
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about nothing but one. No, but that one

742
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 2: sixty is it over?

743
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:41,439
Speaker 1: After that?

744
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm not gonna say that. I'm not

745
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 2: gonna say that will be left. I don't know. That's

746
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:46,799
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747
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,440
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748
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749
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Speaker 1: How to hear you get to name bulld How you

783
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: get bud out.

784
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 2: Of terrace asksing me.

785
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 4: I asked my mom the same question, said that you know,

786
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 4: when I was a little kid, they used to call

787
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 4: me Spud.

788
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 2: Like, don't call them spud, call him Bud. Okay, it's

789
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 2: still ever since I was a baby, they've been calling

790
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 2: me Bud.

791
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: Does anybody in your family call you Terrance? So everybody

792
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: just call you Bud.

793
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 2: Everybody called me Bud. Nobody really called them Terrence.

794
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: Well, we got to Laportie up here. But you don't

795
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: drink or you don't smoke, and you're getting ready to

796
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: put the arguably one of your biggest fights. So congratulations

797
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: on everything. But we're gonna get into it right quick.

798
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: You're from Omaha, Nebraska, Omaha, Nebraska, and you never left.

799
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: What's special about Omaha to Terrence carl.

800
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 2: Uh, Omaha is home.

801
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 4: Omaha is specially just like any other city that any

802
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,919
Speaker 4: other athlete came up out of. You hear a lot

803
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 4: of athlete and a lot of people say, oh, where

804
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 4: I'm from Philly, I'm from Chicago, Detroit or Texas whatever

805
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 4: so forth.

806
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 2: I'm from Nebraska. I'm from mamah home.

807
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 4: And that's what I put on for and that's where

808
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 4: I give the most hope to the youth.

809
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: Did you ever when you were growing up like, man,

810
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: I can't wait to get our Omaha because you see

811
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: a lot of people like you come. Man, I couldn't.

812
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: I can't wait to leave this. I can't wait to

813
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: leave that. But it seemingly, as you mentioned, this is home.

814
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: It's very special place, and I'm not so sure you

815
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:10,720
Speaker 1: ever wanted to leave Omaha.

816
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 4: No. I just always said I can't wait to make

817
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 4: it for Okay, okay, because Omaha is not a hot

818
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 4: bed for boxing. Omaha is a place where when I

819
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 4: used to go to national tournaments and we got the

820
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 4: Nebraska team, they'd be like, oh, we got one, got

821
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 4: easy one today, you know what I mean. So I

822
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 4: want to change that narrative.

823
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 2: You know I did that ten times.

824
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: Describe Omaha for people that's never been to Omaha, that

825
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: doesn't live in Omaha. For the people that's gonna watch this,

826
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 1: gonna listen to this, describe Omaha to.

827
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 2: Them, Well, first and foremost, it's black people.

828
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: And besides you and your family.

829
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 2: Let's see, that's what I'm saying. So let's let's get

830
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 2: that out there. Okay.

831
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 4: A lot of people, you know where you say you

832
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 4: from Omar, they be like, it's black people.

833
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 1: Know what Gabrielle Uni from Omaha. Malcolm X from omahas.

834
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 2: Malcolm X great Ron Buffett.

835
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 4: You know, Omaha is a place where, you know, it's

836
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 4: not as fast as the bigger cities, but you know,

837
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 4: we have the same things like any other big city.

838
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 4: We got crime, we got you know, nice parts, we

839
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 4: got the you know.

840
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 2: Not so nice parts, not so nice parts.

841
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 4: But you know, Omaha is a great place that you

842
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 4: can raise a family at. It's a nice place to visit.

843
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 4: And Omar's where's that to me?

844
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: You and I was having a conversation off camera. You

845
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: say you got seven kids, and You're like, man, tell

846
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: me this, where would you want to raise your kids.

847
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: He's like, LA's too fast. New York's too crowded, X

848
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: Y and Z. You said, Omaha, that's the best place

849
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: that I can raise my kids.

850
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 2: For sure.

851
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 4: When I look at cities and I say, all right,

852
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 4: what I want to raise my kid in that city

853
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 4: in that type of environment, I'd be like, no, you know,

854
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 4: I don't want to I don't want to shield them,

855
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 4: but at the same time, I want to kind of

856
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 4: protect them from the world. That's it could be a

857
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 4: negative vibe. I like Colorado Springs as well. You know,

858
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 4: Colorado Springs kind of remind me of Omaha type type city.

859
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 4: But the best thing about Colorado Springs is you can

860
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 4: go to Denver.

861
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 2: And go to yes a football, Yeah, man, go to an.

862
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: Because ain't nothing. But it ain't nothing but the Olympic boxing,

863
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: Olympic training facility and the Air Force category. Right, that's it.

864
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, But then I can go back, you know and chill. Right,

865
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 4: you know, uh, see a see ah, some.

866
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 2: Beers in the morning, see a bear here.

867
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: You know, I like the wildlife, right, So describe your neighborhood.

868
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: What was what was Bud Crawford's neighborhood.

869
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 4: Like, Oh, my neighborhood was fun. You had all kinds

870
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 4: of kids in the neighborhood with it.

871
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: Was it mainly black? Was it mixture black bay?

872
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 4: Many blacks run around the neighborhood. Were fighting. We've been friends.

873
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 4: The next day we all playing sports together. We either

874
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 4: on different teams and playing football. We're on the same team.

875
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 4: We'll all get our paths together and go in the

876
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 4: field across the street and be seeing who running who over,

877
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,280
Speaker 4: or we playing you know killer Man two in touch,

878
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 4: or you know, just just being kids. You know, walking

879
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 4: around the corner trying to get on the girls. My

880
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 4: neighborhood was was fun. But you don't see neighborhoods like that.

881
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 2: No more.

882
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: No, Well, did you experience racism? I mean kept, it's

883
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 1: just the natural thing. People think like like you said,

884
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, there are black people in there are

885
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: black people in the Omaha and in Nebraska, contrary to

886
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: what you by have heard of what you might perceive.

887
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 1: So did you did you ever in experience or come

888
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:13,240
Speaker 1: in contact with any racism?

889
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 2: Never? Never, I can't.

890
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 4: I can't remember one time where I actually I can

891
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 4: say that I experienced a person.

892
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: Like calling me out my name?

893
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 2: Right, wow, you know now.

894
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 4: Biased, yes, you know, being rude. Yes, but a person

895
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 4: like you there you this and that that?

896
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:36,439
Speaker 2: Never?

897
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 4: Wow, never, you know, I can't, I can't say that.

898
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 4: And then for the most part north Omaha it's primarily black.

899
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 1: You ever met what you mentioned Warren Buffett being from Omaha.

900
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: Have you ever met Warren Buffet? Yeah, plenty of times.

901
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 2: He gave you some great advice. Yeah, warren't cool. Warn't cool.

902
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 2: He chill.

903
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 4: You know, we sit there, we have we have little

904
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 4: little meetings, little little conversations and he drink his co colon,

905
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 4: eat his popcorn and just like a regular person. You

906
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 4: know when people look at war and they'd be like,

907
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 4: oh man, this guy is like like so like smart,

908
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 4: got so much money, but just a regular person like us.

909
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 2: You know, how has.

910
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: Been from Omaha, been from the neighborhood that you're from,

911
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,760
Speaker 1: that upbringing. How does that shape demand we see sitting

912
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: here today.

913
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 4: I think it made me more humble. I think it

914
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 4: made me more reserved in a sense of not trying to.

915
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 2: Get all up into the hype.

916
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 4: You know, where you see people from LA they all

917
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 4: want to be Hollywood. They all want to dress a

918
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 4: certain way. When you're saying way with New York, you

919
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 4: know everybody, I gotta have these or I gotta do this,

920
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 4: I got to do that, you know, and other other

921
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 4: cities they want to be rappers. You know, I got

922
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 4: to have all the jury and I got to have

923
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 4: all the rings and the bling, and you know, I

924
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 4: got to spend all my money on cars because that's

925
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 4: what people like. And I think being from Omaha have

926
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 4: kept me grounded to the to the point where you know, uh,

927
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 4: I'm more business minded than worried about what everybody else think.

928
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 1: Then, when you growing up in Omaha, did you see

929
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 1: because a lot of times, you know, in La you

930
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 1: saw people with fancy cars and jewelry and nice clothes,

931
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: same thing in New York and a lot of other cities.

932
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: Did you see anybody in Omaha that had jewelry, that

933
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: had nice cars, that that dressed a certain type of

934
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 1: way that you like, Man, I give me some money,

935
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do that.

936
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 4: Of course, I think all of us have growing up,

937
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 4: but I was taught at an early age. You know,

938
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 4: if you can have this car, in this car, they

939
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 4: both gonna get to the destination at the same time, right,

940
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 4: you know, So if you want to spend five hundred

941
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 4: thousand dollars on this car, that's gonna depreciate, right, and

942
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 4: it's not an asset. Or do you want to spend

943
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 4: twenty thousand dollars on this car that's gonna work just

944
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 4: as well as this car and it costs less to

945
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 4: fix it up. Then buy you some assets on the side,

946
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 4: and then you know, playing for your future or you're

947
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:16,399
Speaker 4: gonna live for now.

948
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: Raised by single mom, how much of a challenge was that?

949
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,919
Speaker 1: Did you notice that, you know, being a single mom,

950
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: and they're probably financial struggle. I don't know, you know,

951
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: what was what was your you know what she did

952
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: for a living, But was it hard? Did you did

953
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: you know that man my friends might have something or

954
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: did you go without meals? Did you clothing? So what

955
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: was that your upbringing as far as being a single

956
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 1: you know, being raised by single parent, Well, my.

957
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 4: Upbringing was was was cool because I have a family

958
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 4: that supported.

959
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: Okay, you know, extended family, Yeah.

960
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 4: For sure, my aunts, my uncles, things like that, my cousins,

961
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 4: My mom, you know, was married. You know, my dad

962
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 4: was in the military, Okay, so he was always send

963
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 4: money home every month. But at the same time, you know,

964
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 4: sometimes that wouldn't be enough. So I couldn't get the

965
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 4: clothes that I want. I couldn't get the shoes that

966
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 4: I want. So enduring, so I will always get in

967
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 4: a fights because people will talking about my clothes. People

968
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 4: always talk about my shoes. So I'm like, all right,

969
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 4: I didn't have the jokes you had to make. You

970
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 4: had to bun I'd had a joke. So, you know,

971
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 4: people calling me dark Vader, calling me oil spear and

972
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 4: stuff like that, and then everybody laughing.

973
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:38,320
Speaker 1: You a better person.

974
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 2: I punched kind of been like, oh so it's funny,

975
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 2: I got you what.

976
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 4: But that's the thing, boy, I'm trying to figure out.

977
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 4: You don't get bad at the goud laughing. You get

978
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 4: bad at yo. But why did guy, you get bad

979
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 4: and got laughing?

980
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 2: I didn't tell the.

981
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 4: Joke because you would be the one that drags it out.

982
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 4: So so save me and you you, my homie, you

983
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 4: you you you bagging on the Yeah, you got the

984
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 4: right because we friend, right, you know what I mean?

985
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:05,720
Speaker 2: But you who is man? Who is this dude?

986
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: Why you laughing?

987
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 2: And he just drag ah?

988
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 4: Now everybody else laughing because they laughing at how he

989
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 4: dragging it out?

990
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 2: Yo, Now everybody laughing at you.

991
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: So you got into it a lot growing up at

992
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: the kidhoud.

993
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 2: And I'll fall a lot. I full a lot.

994
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: So you fight in school, you fight outside of school?

995
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 2: Right when did you When.

996
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 1: Did your mom say, hey, son, you got you gotta hey,

997
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 1: you got to channel this. Let's let's get you into

998
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: something that you can channel this this anger?

999
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 2: What what did you think to stem from?

1000
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 1: My dad?

1001
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 4: And I been there, you know, and and my mom

1002
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 4: wasn't the one that got me in boxing really really sold.

1003
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 4: The owner of the gym live right behind me. Okay,

1004
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 4: so me being in the neighborhood running.

1005
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 2: Around the neighborhood bad.

1006
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 4: He will always try to get all the little kids

1007
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 4: to do something positive. So he had boxing down there.

1008
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 4: He had singing, he had dancing talent shows. Take us

1009
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 4: to go sell raffle tickets, you know, so we can

1010
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:17,359
Speaker 4: have some money. And he was a big, big influence, uh.

1011
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 2: Person in the community. Still there, still he asked.

1012
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 4: He stopped me and a couple of friends that asked

1013
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 4: that we want to box.

1014
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 2: I ran home, like, hey man, some some strangers.

1015
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 4: Trying to talk to me, you know, he knocking on

1016
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 4: the door, and when he when he come in, everybody

1017
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 4: greeting him.

1018
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is the dude.

1019
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 4: I'm telling y'all. They're like, oh, well, your dad and

1020
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 4: your uncle box for him. Yeah, you know, uh so

1021
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 4: Boston kind of ran in your family. So your uncle box,

1022
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 4: your dad box. Okay, wow, okay, so that was that

1023
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 4: was you you So you had no choice but to

1024
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 4: be a boxed for sure.

1025
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 2: Definitely.

1026
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 4: So my mom asked me that I want to go,

1027
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 4: and I told her, yeah, so go down there start boxing.

1028
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 2: I get through what you got thrown out. So so

1029
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 2: the coach.

1030
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 4: The coach and me bumped heads because I was this

1031
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 4: kid like, you're not about to be cussing at me, okay,

1032
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,720
Speaker 4: yelling at me, telling me get.

1033
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,720
Speaker 2: Your little badass over there and do them.

1034
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 4: Push ups like you talking to me my daddy, Like

1035
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 4: you ain't about to be cussing at me.

1036
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 2: So we clash and kicked me out.

1037
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:36,399
Speaker 4: So I'm like, whatever, I come back to the gym,

1038
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 4: I'm hitting the speed bag. He like, then, I tell

1039
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 4: you a little bad ass, don't just be hitting them

1040
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 4: bags without no gloves and this and that, and I'm

1041
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 4: I started arguing with him again. I'm like, man, this

1042
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 4: ain't your gym, man, Carl Jim. You know, it's just

1043
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 4: a coach here we arguing, We bumping heads. Man, he

1044
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 4: kicked me out. I was off like five years.

1045
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 2: Damn. I cut out in care. I just went to

1046
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 2: other sports, right, you know.

1047
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 4: And in two thousand and two they made these little

1048
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 4: pamphlets with my face on it like I'm some kind

1049
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 4: of fijo children.

1050
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 2: You gotta see it. Come on, man, hey man, it

1051
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 2: goes c W need you and I'm on.

1052
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 4: As she lives it off and I'm it's like they

1053
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 4: try to sell me, so I come back. You know,

1054
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 4: I'm like, man, I'm not boxing, man, So everybody's just

1055
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:34,879
Speaker 4: all trying to get me to come back.

1056
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 2: Uh. My guy Risindo. He Mexican.

1057
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 4: He was boxing at the time, and he was running

1058
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 4: through all the little kids in the gym, and they like, man,

1059
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 4: when you was here, you was the baddest little little

1060
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 4: kid in there.

1061
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 2: Man.

1062
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 4: We got this slow Mexican down oh called the body Snatcher.

1063
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:57,439
Speaker 4: He dropping everything. And I'm like, man, I don't care

1064
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 4: what y'all talking about. Man, I come in there and

1065
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 4: whoop them. So we're going back and forth. And we

1066
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 4: got this thing called Family Night that uh we we

1067
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 4: throw to raise money for the for the gym. Yeah,

1068
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,879
Speaker 4: They're like, well we got Family Night. Come down there.

1069
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 4: I'm like what I come down there? Like They're like, ah, man,

1070
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 4: you ain't coming down there. You're scared what I'm scared for.

1071
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 4: So they basically challenged me, oh, come back to the gym.

1072
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 4: So I come down there. He getting out the rent

1073
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 4: he had already sparred.

1074
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:29,479
Speaker 2: I was mad.

1075
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:31,760
Speaker 4: I'm like, man, I came all the way down here

1076
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 4: and he already getting out the gym. I didn't see

1077
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 4: him fighting on nothing. They're like, well, come back to

1078
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 4: the gym. So I come back to the gym. I'm like,

1079
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 4: all right, let's spark AND's like all right, you knowing

1080
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 4: you got.

1081
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh man, here we go.

1082
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 4: Get But I'm older now, so I'm like all right.

1083
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:54,280
Speaker 4: So then I started training and I've been back ever since.

1084
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: Did you uh?

1085
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 4: Did you take back over the gym? Old boy drop you? No,

1086
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 4: he ain't dropped nothing. He knocked the win out of me,

1087
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 4: did dry that? But we'll always compete, right and you

1088
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 4: know that that That definitely.

1089
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 2: Took me to the next level.

1090
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 1: Your story is very unique because you grew up in

1091
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: a very matriarchal mom, grandma, aunt, sister. What was that?

1092
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 1: What was that like? Because you said a lot of

1093
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,879
Speaker 1: you believe a lot of your troublestem from not having

1094
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: your father there, not having that dominant male figure for

1095
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: the time being until the boxing coaches came into your life.

1096
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 1: So what was it like? So your mom? I mean

1097
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 1: normally sometimes you know, like you said, you know you

1098
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: do it. It's something about a father's voice that that sternness,

1099
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 1: that firmness that you know that you're like, okay, he

1100
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 1: mean business, mom, you play, I'm going to do what

1101
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 1: I want to do.

1102
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 2: I don't.

1103
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: I don't believe you.

1104
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,399
Speaker 4: No, my mom was tough, man. I used to get

1105
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 4: whooped all the talk, you know what I mean. My

1106
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:51,320
Speaker 4: mom wasn't having it.

1107
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 2: You know.

1108
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 4: But the thing is it was hard because I didn't

1109
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 4: have no brothers. Oh, you know, I had older cousins,

1110
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 4: but I didn't have no brothers. So in the household

1111
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,879
Speaker 4: with just you and your two sisters and your mom

1112
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,839
Speaker 4: at work, and your sisters really don't like you. They

1113
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 4: really ain't messing with you, and it's like you're just

1114
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 4: sitting there, like, man, what I want to do? Like,

1115
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 4: you know, every time I go in there, I'm getting

1116
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 4: beat up because they don't want me in their room.

1117
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 4: I can't say nothing to them because they think I'm

1118
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 4: bothering them when I'm really bored, you know what I mean.

1119
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 4: I'm trying to talk to something. So it's just like,

1120
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 4: all right, man, I'm leaving the house. So then it

1121
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 4: got to the point where I started leaving the house.

1122
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 4: My mom asking where you at, and I'm at the

1123
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 4: fishing pond. I'm fishing. I'm getting in trouble. I'm shooting

1124
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,439
Speaker 4: pavilions up with BB guns and things like that, getting

1125
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 4: in trouble. And you know, that's when the trouble started,

1126
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 4: transitioning it from me just sitting in the house to

1127
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 4: me Then I saw.

1128
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: You say, you're dad with the military. How often did

1129
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 1: you see your dad?

1130
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 4: My dad used to come like probably once twice a

1131
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 4: year because he'd be out to see for like six months. Wow,

1132
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 4: so he was in the navy. Yeah, do that also

1133
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:10,919
Speaker 4: shaped you. I used to flip out when you see

1134
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 4: man when he leave? Oh so, because it's crazy because

1135
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 4: my dad, like when he used to come home, he

1136
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 4: used to be on for like five days.

1137
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 2: That's it, man, you're going for like six months home

1138
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 2: for five days.

1139
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 1: I forget at least two.

1140
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 4: Weeks because he lived in Virginia. Oh okay, you know,

1141
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,720
Speaker 4: so he lived in Virginia and we lived in Omar.

1142
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 2: So I used to flip out.

1143
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 4: It used to be so bad where they used to

1144
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 4: take me out of school to go send my dad

1145
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 4: off because I flip out.

1146
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 1: You know, did you ever want to go with him?

1147
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: Did you ever want to go back to Virginia with it?

1148
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1149
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, your mom said no, no about her

1150
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: her kids out there.

1151
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:53,800
Speaker 2: So we actually did go, me and my sister.

1152
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:56,879
Speaker 4: You know, my mom was like, all right, forget it,

1153
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 4: you know here, Yeah, T T and y'all want to

1154
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 4: go out there so bad. Oh she don't care. She

1155
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 4: don't care about that. So we go out there and

1156
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 4: they had a hurricane. It was bad, wow, you know

1157
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 4: what I mean, tore up the trees and stuff. We

1158
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 4: didn't have no lights, no water, no nothing for like, man,

1159
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 4: two weeks, but it lasted for like a month. And

1160
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 4: that two weeks my mom was like, man, send my

1161
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 4: mother fucking kids back home. So there we moved back home, right,

1162
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 4: we never go back to Virginia.

1163
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 1: Do you think you would have become the bud that

1164
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:35,439
Speaker 1: we see here today had your father been in your life,

1165
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 1: because it seemed like a lot of times chaos and

1166
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: turmoil shapes uthing to the people. We don't see it

1167
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: at the time, but a lot of that that angrery

1168
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: what you had, you was able to channel that. You

1169
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 1: was able to focus it and become a multi world champion.

1170
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: How different do you think your life would have been

1171
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: had your dad been there every single day?

1172
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 2: How I think my life?

1173
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 1: Yeah? How different would your life have been now different.

1174
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 4: You know, I definitely think I'll still be you still,

1175
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 4: but I think, you know what I mean, i'd be

1176
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 4: more successful really.

1177
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. Like my dad was like way different really yeah.

1178
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 4: Like I think I got in more trouble being that

1179
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 4: he wasn't there, Because when I got to a certain age,

1180
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 4: it was like, Mom, you ain't whooping me no more.

1181
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 2: Put that belt down.

1182
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 4: I don't know what you raising that belt for it,

1183
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 4: you know, And being that my dad never whooped me,

1184
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 4: you know, he always talked to me and gave me

1185
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 4: a solution. Oh okay, you know you're like, at why

1186
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 4: are you doing that? You know, he always wanted to

1187
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 4: know why.

1188
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 2: My mom she didn't care. She was just like, oh

1189
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 2: so you want to do this? You want? Wow?

1190
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 1: You think you were mad?

1191
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 4: So it didn't got to the point where I go

1192
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 4: to school you say something I don't like, damn. But

1193
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 4: because that's when I was taught as a kid, if

1194
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 4: I said something that my mom didn't like, I was

1195
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 4: getting my ass for. If I did something that my

1196
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 4: mom didn't like, I was getting my ass right, you

1197
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 4: know what I mean. So every time it was something negative,

1198
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 4: I was getting my ass for. So I carried that

1199
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 4: on in my life when hours with my peers, what

1200
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 4: say something? Oh really, because that's all I knew?

1201
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 2: Right?

1202
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: Did you feel your do you feel like it was excessive?

1203
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: Did you feel your mom sometimes whoop you for no

1204
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 1: reason because you said that sometimes you would just say

1205
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 1: stuff and it was boom if you did something, boom,

1206
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 1: You're like.

1207
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 2: Dagn mom, I can't do anything. Do you feel like

1208
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 2: you couldn't do anything? Right? No? No, you feel you

1209
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 2: deserve they asked my Hell no, it.

1210
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 4: Was a lot of times that I didn't even do shit.

1211
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 4: My mom be like, I know your ass was gonna

1212
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 4: do something. But the crazy thing about it is I'm

1213
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 4: a mama's boy, right, you know. And my mom like

1214
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,919
Speaker 4: used to shield me from everybody, like nah, he ain't

1215
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 4: going nowhere, like he he can't go? Like why like nah,

1216
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 4: because everybody was like I was bad. So she was

1217
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:07,959
Speaker 4: always like, no, You're gonna stay here.

1218
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 2: You know.

1219
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 4: Because my mom prayed for me. She's always said, always

1220
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 4: prayed for because my two sisters.

1221
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:16,439
Speaker 2: Is light skinned. I always pray for a black son.

1222
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 2: I want the black son. You know.

1223
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 4: My dad, My dad likes skinning my two sister, like

1224
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 4: skinning I'm her black son. She always like me and

1225
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 4: my mom was like like like that. But when my

1226
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 4: mom and my dad started getting into it, that's when

1227
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 4: she you look like your dad, you're just black. It's

1228
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 4: like my dad give me in trouble me so you

1229
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 4: know what I mean. But my mom, that was my

1230
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 4: that's my heart. When you were growing up, did your

1231
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 4: mom tell you she loved you?

1232
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 1: Did she hook?

1233
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 2: No, No, she ain't.

1234
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 4: She ain't she know she a and all that that

1235
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 4: love and all that stuff.

1236
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:52,439
Speaker 2: It was tough.

1237
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 1: Well you had a roof over yeah, yeah, food, that clothes,

1238
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 1: that's love.

1239
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, ain't no, ain't no love. She's been

1240
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 4: through I asked her. I was like, man, what's up?

1241
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 4: Why you don't never tell me a little? She just said, man,

1242
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 4: I don't like that word. She's like, I've been through

1243
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 4: a lot in my life, and you know what I mean.

1244
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 2: Love love hurts.

1245
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 1: Do you remember the first time she told you she's

1246
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 1: proud of you?

1247
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 2: It was when I being grown.

1248
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 4: It's probably like two thousand, seventeen eighteen, damn bud, hey

1249
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 4: no for real, like she my mom is not affectionate, Okay,

1250
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.

1251
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 2: So she's not about to be all I love you,

1252
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 2: tugging you and and stuff like that. All right, you

1253
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 2: do something, all right, I see you about.

1254
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 1: Did that motivate you? Because a lot of times people,

1255
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 1: a lot of times we want that. We want the

1256
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 1: person that validation from the person that we respect and

1257
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 1: love the most. We just want to hear one, I'm

1258
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 1: proud of you.

1259
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 2: Damn I love you.

1260
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,919
Speaker 1: You're doing good? Is that what you sought from your mom?

1261
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 2: Of course?

1262
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 4: Of course everything that I did, Like when I start

1263
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 4: doing right in school and not getting kicked out, she

1264
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:19,479
Speaker 4: like by time, like, damn, like my sisters, they get

1265
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 4: put on this pedal store right, you know what I mean?

1266
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 4: She made the honor roll and it's all right, Mama

1267
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 4: got a's and b's.

1268
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 2: You're in the our tournament of school. I'm like, god, damn,

1269
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, you're supposed to I have

1270
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 2: a good great rat souh Yeah.

1271
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 4: But for sure, man, like I used to, I used

1272
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 4: to get into it my mom and be like, one day,

1273
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be chap in another.

1274
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 1: World Watch when you told her that, what did you say?

1275
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 2: You ain't gonna be ship, She'd be like, you're gonna

1276
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 2: be just like your dad.

1277
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 4: So, but the one thing that I noticed, like when

1278
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 4: I come home, you know, and I had that belt

1279
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 4: on my on my shoulders, you know, should should have

1280
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:09,919
Speaker 4: that belt. And she'll be telling everybody, look with my son,

1281
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:11,439
Speaker 4: Looking with my son.

1282
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 1: She never told you, but she told everybody else through

1283
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 1: an action of how proud she was of you.

1284
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 4: But I wanted you wanted her to hear. You want

1285
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 4: to tell me, yeah, don't don't, don't, don't fluster my belt.

1286
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, coming come and praise me,

1287
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 4: you know. So uh, I just looked at it like,

1288
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 4: you know, my mom loved me like wholeheartedly. She just

1289
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 4: used that reverse psychiatrist to prove her wrong because she

1290
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:41,440
Speaker 4: knew that's what I needed to be successful.

1291
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 1: I read that your mom used to pay the kids

1292
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 1: in the neighborhood to beat you up.

1293
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 2: Try.

1294
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 4: They couldn't do it, to try because, like I said,

1295
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 4: it was a neighborhood full of kids.

1296
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 1: Right.

1297
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 2: So we'll all be outside.

1298
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 4: You know, I'm boxing and putting the gloves on, just

1299
01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 4: like any typical neighborhood. And my mom knew that I

1300
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 4: was one of them tough kids, right, so she would, Hey,

1301
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 4: if you can whoop them I give you.

1302
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 2: Five dollars, you know what I mean?

1303
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 1: Anybody get paid. Ain't nobody whoop me?

1304
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Because she just knew her

1305
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 2: son was tough.

1306
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 4: Coming from a boxing family, she wanted to challenge, you know,

1307
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 4: so she'll be like, hey, come here, I give you fight.

1308
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 4: You can whoop them and that made them fight harder.

1309
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:29,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, uh where any where the kids bigger than you,

1310
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 1: Where they older than you, or whether they about your

1311
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 1: age both?

1312
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 4: No, I had kids that was older than me, bigger

1313
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 4: than me, you know what I mean, my age.

1314
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:42,840
Speaker 2: It didn't matter were you a kid. You just throw

1315
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:44,479
Speaker 2: the gloves on it. You just go right.

1316
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 1: So now all of a sudden, you make that decision. Okay,

1317
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 1: you say, you know what, You've given up the other sports, football, basketball,

1318
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:52,959
Speaker 1: box is going to be your thing.

1319
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 4: Do you remember your first your first fight? Do you

1320
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 4: remember getting in the ring the first time, whether it's

1321
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 4: golden gloves or whatever the case may be, the average fight,

1322
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 4: do you remember getting into that ring the first time

1323
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 4: and what was going through.

1324
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 2: Your bad nothing? I was sold. I was so like

1325
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 2: you that life. I had confidence.

1326
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 4: I won the first tournament that I came to, came

1327
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 4: back to now was a ringside Nationals. I won that

1328
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 4: whole tournament and I had just came back in two

1329
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 4: thousand and two.

1330
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 1: Right wow, So now, okay, boxing is it what? Because

1331
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 1: once you got that adrenaline high, you won the whole tournament.

1332
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 1: It's old. Ain't no turning back now. But so now

1333
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 1: you put shift all your focus in the boxing. You said,

1334
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 1: this is what I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be a

1335
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 1: prize fighter. I'm gonna be a professional fighter. Not yet,

1336
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 1: not yet.

1337
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 4: I always said I was gonna be a world champion,

1338
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 4: but my mind wasn't there yet.

1339
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:49,400
Speaker 2: Okay, you know I lost in.

1340
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 4: The Civic Glove Nationals and I lost to Michael Dallas Junior.

1341
01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 2: And I remember.

1342
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:02,920
Speaker 4: Me trying to trying to fight him, yeah, and he

1343
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 4: just out boxing me and I'm like, man, stop running,

1344
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:06,959
Speaker 4: stop running, I'm.

1345
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 2: Like, I want to fight.

1346
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 4: And then he thought Rashie Warren the next day and

1347
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 4: he lost, and Rashie Warren like everybody was around the

1348
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 4: ring and they was just going blow for blow and

1349
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 4: Rashi hitting them with all these hooks, and I'm like, man, damn,

1350
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 4: that nigga would have fucked me up, like so so

1351
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 4: right there, and there, I'm like, man, I gotta get better.

1352
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 4: So seeing all the talent in the tournament, I'm like, man,

1353
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 4: I gotta get better. So I go to the gym

1354
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 4: and I just train and train and train, and Risindo,

1355
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 4: you know, he had to just be Danny Garcia, you know,

1356
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 4: Danny Garcia, Storm the storm, the ring, and every tournament.

1357
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 4: Dan he'd be like, where your boy at? Where's your

1358
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 4: boy at? You know when we got a little older.

1359
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 4: But I was just like, I gotta get better. So

1360
01:06:56,960 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 4: every day I'm competing with him, right, you know, because

1361
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 4: Danny was a top amateur too, I'm competing with him.

1362
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 4: He running and running, he doing push ups. I'm doing

1363
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 4: push ups. He doing pull ups. I'm doing pull ups.

1364
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 4: So I'm competing and I'm traveling the world and I'm like, man,

1365
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 4: I can I can make something out of this because

1366
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 4: I'm hanging in there with these top.

1367
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 2: Kids from around the world.

1368
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 4: Correct, boom, I get in a fight. I had to

1369
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 4: insurge you on my hand.

1370
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 1: Hold up now of the box to make a street

1371
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 1: fight outside of the ring in school, okay.

1372
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:34,439
Speaker 4: So boom, And that just stopped me. And it was like, man,

1373
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:38,160
Speaker 4: you can't you can box and for some months. You

1374
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 4: gotta wait to your hand here.

1375
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 2: And I'm like, man, no, I can't do it.

1376
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 4: So at that time I was already going south Park right,

1377
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 4: but my lafe wasn't that strong. I was just doing

1378
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 4: it because it just came natural to me. So I

1379
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 4: was just like, work on your left for you not

1380
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 4: a natural south Park? No, you talked yourself right, So

1381
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 4: I was just like, this is this is your weakness,

1382
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 4: you know strength, So I just started working on it

1383
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 4: and then I've been focused every since.

1384
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:14,960
Speaker 1: You had I want to know when did you realize

1385
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 1: because sitting here talking to you and we talked in

1386
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 1: the ring earlier, is that it seemed like you had

1387
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 1: a temper and one thing you can't have if you're

1388
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 1: a professional, fight of the temper, because you can't get

1389
01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 1: outside of yourself. How did you learn how to control that?

1390
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:31,440
Speaker 1: How do you learn how to focus? And says okay, yeah,

1391
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 1: I'm upset, but let me channel this aggression. Let me

1392
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 1: use it for what I know it can be beneficial

1393
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 1: for me.

1394
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 2: Oh man, I don't know. Like my temper was so bad.

1395
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 2: I used to have to see like psychiatrists and the

1396
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 2: strengths and stuff like damn Bud used to I used

1397
01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:59,800
Speaker 2: to flip out, man, I was it was. It was worse.

1398
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:04,680
Speaker 4: It was I got kicked off the USA team. I

1399
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:10,560
Speaker 4: was having fights and overseas and stuff against other teammates

1400
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:13,840
Speaker 4: and getting into it with my teammates and stuff like that.

1401
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:15,640
Speaker 2: It was just I don't know. I was just a

1402
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:19,800
Speaker 2: norm nonsense type of guy. I just didn't care like you.

1403
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:23,840
Speaker 4: Know, I honestly think when I had my first son,

1404
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 4: you know, that changed my life and I started looking

1405
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:31,639
Speaker 4: at life different because you know, you have live. Yeah,

1406
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 4: there you go. I had something to live for, and

1407
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 4: I stopped not not caring. I start caring a little

1408
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:41,759
Speaker 4: bit because I looked at my dad and my situation,

1409
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 4: like I got to be there for him because my

1410
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 4: dad wasn't there for me. So that's when I when

1411
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:51,799
Speaker 4: I sat down, told myself, man, you gotta control yourself.

1412
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:55,439
Speaker 4: My uncle is a pastor, so he just put it

1413
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:59,679
Speaker 4: in perspective of God got some big bay and better

1414
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 4: for you. You know, you got a bright future. So

1415
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:07,360
Speaker 4: you got two ways you can go. You can go

1416
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 4: the right way or you can go to the left right,

1417
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:11,559
Speaker 4: And he just gave me an option. I was just

1418
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:14,080
Speaker 4: like I was sitting there and I was just man.

1419
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:17,680
Speaker 4: I was just like man, fuck. And then I was

1420
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:20,559
Speaker 4: just like man, all right. I started going to church

1421
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 4: a little more and then I started fighting, but I

1422
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:28,639
Speaker 4: wasn't fighting that much. So I was really getting down

1423
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:32,639
Speaker 4: on myself because I'm like, man, man, I'm not getting

1424
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 4: no fights.

1425
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:35,720
Speaker 2: Like I gotta go back in the streets. I got

1426
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:38,720
Speaker 2: to hustle. I'm like, man, what I'm gonna do? You

1427
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:39,639
Speaker 2: know what I mean? I'm like man.

1428
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:41,200
Speaker 4: I told both them. I said, Man, I'm about to

1429
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 4: quit boxing. I was like, man, boxing ain't.

1430
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 1: I ain't putting food nothing.

1431
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 2: And it's like.

1432
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 4: God just started making things happen. I went to training

1433
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:55,880
Speaker 4: camp with Tim Bradley. Wow, you know, and that's the

1434
01:10:55,960 --> 01:11:00,240
Speaker 4: start of everything. I sparred Tim Bradley and he like, man,

1435
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 4: you ain't no sparring partner. I'm laughing and he was

1436
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:06,559
Speaker 4: like man, he looking at me like, no, real, can

1437
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 4: you not a sport? You're a world champion. It's like

1438
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 4: you a world champion. And I'm like, I was like, man,

1439
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:18,720
Speaker 4: I just want to fight, right. He like, so they

1440
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 4: not giving me no fights? When the last time I said, man,

1441
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 4: I don't even fall like two times and folk two years.

1442
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 4: I'm like, I probably fought four times in four years

1443
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 4: two years. Wow, and there was four rounders. So I'm

1444
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:35,679
Speaker 4: really not making no money fighting for pennies and stuff

1445
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:38,759
Speaker 4: like that. And I'm like, man, I can't be training

1446
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:39,919
Speaker 4: in boxing and.

1447
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 1: You know, not making nobody. He gotta make sense.

1448
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:45,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it was just like I told boy, man,

1449
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:49,559
Speaker 4: I'm about to quit. So they called bowl. He sent

1450
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 4: me down there, talked to Tim. Tim called our manager

1451
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 4: up and he like, what y'all gonna do with him?

1452
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:57,480
Speaker 4: He was like, because I buy him out his contract

1453
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:00,160
Speaker 4: right now. He was like, y'all don't know what y'all said. No,

1454
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 4: y'all sitting on this, this, this, this dude, and this

1455
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 4: dude is cold.

1456
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:08,600
Speaker 2: But so uh, Cameron.

1457
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 4: Was like, don't nobody want to fight him? And he

1458
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 4: can't get no fights and this and that and this

1459
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 4: and so uh. I went down to California. I was

1460
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:20,880
Speaker 4: supposed to fight on a Golden Boys show. They was

1461
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 4: gonna sign me. The guy comes to the way and say, man,

1462
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 4: that's Terrence Carford. I know him. I know him from

1463
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:34,680
Speaker 4: the amateurs. He was ranked number one. I'm not fighting him.

1464
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 4: They yo straight like that. I didn't made wait and everything.

1465
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:43,720
Speaker 4: I'm at one thirty five and I'm like, man, he like,

1466
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:44,679
Speaker 4: I'm not fighting.

1467
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:49,919
Speaker 2: He left. He left, so I'm stuck with no opponent.

1468
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:52,080
Speaker 2: They ain't give me no money.

1469
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 4: So the guy at one point forty, they had signedist guy,

1470
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:57,760
Speaker 4: so they had all this little money in them, and

1471
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:01,559
Speaker 4: his opponent didn't even show up. So he's undefeated. But

1472
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 4: he fight at one forty. I'm undefeated. I fight at

1473
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 4: one thirty five.

1474
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:06,840
Speaker 2: I go to gold Man. Now.

1475
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:09,479
Speaker 4: I'm like, hey, put us, let us fight. I fight it,

1476
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. I fight him and he's

1477
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 4: like nah.

1478
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no no.

1479
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 4: I'm like, whoever win, get the money, get to sign

1480
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:18,840
Speaker 4: you signed. Okay, he already signed with you. But if

1481
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 4: I win, you signed.

1482
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 2: Me, and if he lose, you cut him. They're like, no,

1483
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:24,839
Speaker 2: we got too much money in him.

1484
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:27,559
Speaker 4: And I'm like, all right, cool, you know what I mean,

1485
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:29,519
Speaker 4: Send me home. I don't even want to watch the fight.

1486
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:30,120
Speaker 2: Send me home.

1487
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 4: So they send me home. That's how I got with

1488
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:36,440
Speaker 4: Tall Raight. You know, tal Right gave me the opportunity,

1489
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:40,160
Speaker 4: and uh it's been up ever since.

1490
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:44,599
Speaker 1: Wow, you know we were talking in the ring earlier today. Well,

1491
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 1: people don't tell some no more. You know, back in

1492
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:48,759
Speaker 1: the day, people just know, hey, you took a gass whipping,

1493
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 1: You took ass whipping. Nah, I ain't nobody trying to

1494
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 1: take no ass whip. They gonna let them things off

1495
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 1: on you.

1496
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 4: You know why why social media really? You know, back

1497
01:13:57,080 --> 01:14:00,040
Speaker 4: in the days, if you wasn't there, you do you

1498
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 4: get somebody who's lost. A person could be like man,

1499
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 4: I whooped him. He was bleeding, he was bleed, but

1500
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:12,799
Speaker 4: he whooped your nigga w ahead. But now you know, uh,

1501
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:17,760
Speaker 4: social media then came to a point where it humiliates

1502
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:18,799
Speaker 4: a person forever.

1503
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:21,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, they always can bring up that man.

1504
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:25,520
Speaker 2: Remember remember you got me forever.

1505
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:28,519
Speaker 4: Me, you know, And can't nobody just take a hell

1506
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:30,800
Speaker 4: no more, don't nobody want to take a hell?

1507
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 2: They ain't even worried about even the thought of.

1508
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:37,080
Speaker 4: Then't fight on the streets no more, like man, I'm

1509
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:39,559
Speaker 4: about to shoot you. You know you got kids that's

1510
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:42,920
Speaker 4: like eleven years old carrying guns talking about man in

1511
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 4: my ops.

1512
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 2: I'm like, bro, you're supposed to be in school, yeah,

1513
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 2: you know, and we'll make it so bad.

1514
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:53,559
Speaker 4: They're gonna knock you off, and they're gonna go to

1515
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:57,040
Speaker 4: this little juvenile detention center. They're gonna get out and

1516
01:14:57,080 --> 01:14:59,080
Speaker 4: they're gonna be like, hey, man, I caught a body

1517
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:05,400
Speaker 4: when I was eleven, and they scott free because they

1518
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:09,240
Speaker 4: not programmed, they mind, their brain is not developed enough

1519
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:16,200
Speaker 4: to give them life, you know, and they only doing

1520
01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 4: what they see and they hear and what they.

1521
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:20,040
Speaker 2: Told to do.

1522
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:24,439
Speaker 4: So they following behind these these young adults that's having

1523
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:26,920
Speaker 4: these parents. I mean, these kids at a young age

1524
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 4: that don't talk to my kids like that, don't say

1525
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 4: that to my kids, don't correct my kids because they're

1526
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:37,040
Speaker 4: not your kids. Yes, so they let their kids just

1527
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:39,799
Speaker 4: do whatever they want, you know, because they did whatever

1528
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 4: they want. And then that's how the society bro Yeah,

1529
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:46,599
Speaker 4: because when I was growing up the community, because you know, hey,

1530
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 4: it didn't have to be a relative. You acting up

1531
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:51,400
Speaker 4: somebody that was older than you could tell your tailoro

1532
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:54,479
Speaker 4: o while and then go home and tell your grandma,

1533
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 4: your mom, and you get another beating. Now exactly what

1534
01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 4: you said, don't talk to my child, you not his

1535
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:01,960
Speaker 4: that it's okay.

1536
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:03,840
Speaker 1: You don't want me to correct him.

1537
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:05,880
Speaker 2: There somebody they're a plate that they'll send him that

1538
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:08,000
Speaker 2: he will get corrected. There's no respect.

1539
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 4: When you look at today's world, the older people was

1540
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:18,120
Speaker 4: kind of scared of younger people because the younger people

1541
01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:19,679
Speaker 4: is trying to make the name for themself.

1542
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 2: You know, it's not no all, let me respect my others. Yeah,

1543
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 2: it's like, man, if you don't get your old that's

1544
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 2: out of it.

1545
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:28,760
Speaker 1: That's exactly lay you down, you know.

1546
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:32,720
Speaker 4: And it wasn't like that back in the days. It's like, hey, man,

1547
01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:33,559
Speaker 4: chill out, man.

1548
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:34,920
Speaker 2: All right, all right.

1549
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:38,840
Speaker 1: You mentioned that all the things that you went through

1550
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 1: and that you talk to people about, the anger issues

1551
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:43,639
Speaker 1: and the trauma, what would be some of the vice.

1552
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:46,360
Speaker 1: But if you if somebody was going through something very

1553
01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:49,880
Speaker 1: similar to what Bud Crawford grew grew up in an

1554
01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:52,640
Speaker 1: environment and what he had to deal with, what was

1555
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:55,800
Speaker 1: some of the vice he would partake on these I.

1556
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 4: Just tell him, you know, always be positive, and you

1557
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 4: need you need the right role models to look up to,

1558
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:08,559
Speaker 4: you know, and the people that's gonna come down and

1559
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:11,599
Speaker 4: grab you by the wing and you know, show you,

1560
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:12,799
Speaker 4: show you the ropes.

1561
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:13,559
Speaker 2: You know.

1562
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:19,160
Speaker 4: I think those people is very important because I had

1563
01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:21,800
Speaker 4: my coaches, I had my uncles and things like that.

1564
01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 4: If I didn't have certain individuals in my life, I

1565
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:28,920
Speaker 4: don't know how my life would have turned out. So

1566
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:32,519
Speaker 4: I'll just tell them, you know, stay positive and pick

1567
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:34,599
Speaker 4: and choose who you hang out with and who you

1568
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:36,799
Speaker 4: allow your kids to be around.

1569
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:40,360
Speaker 1: You know, is it true that you didn't want to

1570
01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 1: you didn't want to fight in the Olympics? Never?

1571
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:46,320
Speaker 2: Why? Because that never was my dream?

1572
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 4: You know, I always wanted to be a world champion, right,

1573
01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:52,440
Speaker 4: you know, I never want to be an Olympic gold medalist.

1574
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:54,639
Speaker 1: You know, I want to be a lot of people

1575
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:56,200
Speaker 1: is the other way around? A lot of people like

1576
01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 1: I want to be a gold medalist, And then they

1577
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 1: parlay that. You look at Sugar Ray, look at our lead,

1578
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:03,080
Speaker 1: you look at Phrase, you look at Forman, and you

1579
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:05,120
Speaker 1: look at a lot of you know, Mark Breenland, the

1580
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:07,320
Speaker 1: eighty fourteen, I don't know how closer you follow. That

1581
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:09,720
Speaker 1: was the greatest boxing team ever, Symble, Mildred Taylor and

1582
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:11,479
Speaker 1: Sweetpeet Whitaker and all those guys.

1583
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 2: So that's odd that you said that. I'm a leader,

1584
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:16,320
Speaker 2: not a follower.

1585
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:19,439
Speaker 4: So I never wanted to be like nobody else, Right,

1586
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:22,000
Speaker 4: I wanted to be a world champion, Right, I wanted

1587
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:25,920
Speaker 4: to go make money. When I look at you know,

1588
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:29,400
Speaker 4: the Olympics, you get what a couple one hundred thousand

1589
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:33,920
Speaker 4: that where you look at I always envisioned, but I

1590
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 4: was wrong.

1591
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:37,479
Speaker 2: If you're on TV, you're making all this money and

1592
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:40,719
Speaker 2: all this and uh, it ain't true. It wasn't true,

1593
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:41,360
Speaker 2: you know.

1594
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:45,400
Speaker 4: But when I got to a certain level, then I

1595
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:50,160
Speaker 4: started making the top of money that I dream be making.

1596
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:55,920
Speaker 4: But I always start being on TV. Got your paid, yeah, yeah,

1597
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:59,000
Speaker 4: it got your paid. But it wasn't true. Because when

1598
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:01,720
Speaker 4: I was coming up, I was mad because I see

1599
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:10,400
Speaker 4: all the people that graduated from the amateurs into the

1600
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:15,320
Speaker 4: pro range or what's all on TV? Danny Garcia, Danny Jacobs,

1601
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:18,320
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, all these all these fighters,

1602
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:22,799
Speaker 4: you know, getting Ny Shan and I'm like, man, these

1603
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 4: people can't even even people that wasn't even close to

1604
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:26,120
Speaker 4: on my level.

1605
01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:28,639
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, this dude, how you get on TV?

1606
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:29,840
Speaker 2: And this dude close?

1607
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 4: Look at this dude, like I will be so like

1608
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:37,519
Speaker 4: frustrated that my career wasn't going away. Yeah, And I

1609
01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:40,439
Speaker 4: always put in the work, you know, it don't matter

1610
01:19:40,479 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 4: what anybody can tell you. I'll be in the streets

1611
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:47,439
Speaker 4: with the homies, and I'd be like, all right, y'all

1612
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:51,040
Speaker 4: gotta go. I'm riding my bike to the gym, or

1613
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:53,679
Speaker 4: I'm getting a ride to the gym. I always made

1614
01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:55,479
Speaker 4: it to the gym, no matter what. I don't care

1615
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:58,400
Speaker 4: what we was doing, you know, I always made it

1616
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 4: to the gym. That's why I always said I always

1617
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:04,320
Speaker 4: put it in the work. But I didn't see the

1618
01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 4: results until God said it is time for you to

1619
01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:12,320
Speaker 4: see the results, you know. So it was tough, Like

1620
01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:14,600
Speaker 4: I never want to be an Olympic gold medals. I

1621
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:16,760
Speaker 4: want to be a world channel to make money.

1622
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:17,080
Speaker 2: Money.

1623
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:21,800
Speaker 1: Explain this to me. You undefeated as a pro, you

1624
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:25,120
Speaker 1: had twelve losses, and the amateurs, how they have that happen?

1625
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:29,160
Speaker 2: Man, amateurs is amateurs. Anything can happen. You know, I

1626
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:32,080
Speaker 2: lost my first two fights, you know, when I was

1627
01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:32,679
Speaker 2: a little kid.

1628
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:38,519
Speaker 4: Then you know, losing in national tournaments and things like that.

1629
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:43,960
Speaker 4: It happens, losing, not being in shape, losing fights that

1630
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:48,600
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Because you from Omaha, Nebraska

1631
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:51,639
Speaker 4: and this guy from a bigger city by one point,

1632
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:53,719
Speaker 4: lose one point here at one point there.

1633
01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:55,280
Speaker 2: You know, it's politics.

1634
01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:58,799
Speaker 4: Politics plays a big factor and by amateur boxing.

1635
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:01,000
Speaker 1: Why didn't you become fuss straighted and give up?

1636
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:05,559
Speaker 4: I wanted to, you know, but my coaches, like I said,

1637
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:07,880
Speaker 4: they kept me motivated, you know.

1638
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:11,080
Speaker 2: Bo always to tell me, hey, bro, man, just just

1639
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:11,599
Speaker 2: keep crying.

1640
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:14,639
Speaker 4: It's gonna get greater later, you know, don't don't, don't

1641
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:17,519
Speaker 4: give up, you know, and me having a faith and

1642
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:20,479
Speaker 4: a belief in them, you know, and trusting the process.

1643
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:21,760
Speaker 2: I just kept going.

1644
01:21:23,160 --> 01:21:24,800
Speaker 4: You wanted to fight, made it Package. I think you

1645
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:26,600
Speaker 4: were like twenty seven, twenty eight when you wanted to

1646
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:28,719
Speaker 4: fight Packed. Why why didn't that fight happen?

1647
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:31,280
Speaker 2: How know?

1648
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:31,760
Speaker 1: Man?

1649
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 4: I heard so many excuses, like they didn't want it,

1650
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:39,000
Speaker 4: but Freddy Roach on the record saying he didn't want

1651
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:42,840
Speaker 4: to Pack y'all to fight for one And I just

1652
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:46,760
Speaker 4: think Todd Rank wanted to protect Pack y'all because of

1653
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:47,639
Speaker 4: the money issue.

1654
01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:49,559
Speaker 2: You know, that was their cash cow.

1655
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 1: And you know, okay, but hell you could have been

1656
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:52,720
Speaker 1: their cash cow.

1657
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:58,519
Speaker 2: Listen. They don't think like that, you know, so they didn't.

1658
01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:01,040
Speaker 4: They didn't want to mess up the money that that

1659
01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:06,559
Speaker 4: was getting Packed y'all at the time. So other other reasons,

1660
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 4: I don't know what way were you gonna fight at forty,

1661
01:22:12,240 --> 01:22:15,600
Speaker 4: So I fought Derry Jean, and they said, you know

1662
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:21,479
Speaker 4: that was the marketing to Crufford beat Derry Jean. He's gonna,

1663
01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:25,479
Speaker 4: you know, potentially fight many pack y'all. Derry Jean was

1664
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:29,320
Speaker 4: when I pack y'all sparting partners, I stopped Jerry Gene.

1665
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:36,840
Speaker 2: That's like I want to fight, so I had to

1666
01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:37,200
Speaker 2: move on.

1667
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:41,479
Speaker 1: Do you believe you would have been had you fought pack

1668
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:45,200
Speaker 1: y'all done what you've done, done what you thought, think

1669
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:47,960
Speaker 1: or know you could have done. Do you think that

1670
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:50,200
Speaker 1: would have sped up the process of Bud Crawford being

1671
01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:51,839
Speaker 1: in the position that he's in currently.

1672
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:55,920
Speaker 4: Of course, of course, like I said before, you know,

1673
01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:59,519
Speaker 4: I didn't have the many pack y'all, Miguel Cotto, Sugar

1674
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:05,880
Speaker 4: Shane mostly and those guys that was marquee names in

1675
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:09,719
Speaker 4: a sport of boxer to pass the torch. Nobody passed

1676
01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:11,080
Speaker 4: the torch to Terrence Crawford.

1677
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:12,479
Speaker 2: He took right.

1678
01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:14,719
Speaker 4: When you look at when you when you look at

1679
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:19,280
Speaker 4: my career, I paid my own way. I didn't piggyback

1680
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:23,479
Speaker 4: off of any fighter. You know, I fought my way

1681
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:26,000
Speaker 4: up to the top. When you look at you know,

1682
01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:30,439
Speaker 4: any any fighter, from Floyd Mayweather to any of them.

1683
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:34,640
Speaker 4: When Floyd fought Dela Hooya, you know, that was a

1684
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:37,559
Speaker 4: whole big thing. He wanted to fight Dela Hooya, but

1685
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:41,280
Speaker 4: top rank didn't want to give him Dela Hooya really initially.

1686
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 4: But when they met up, you know, Floyd was the

1687
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:47,040
Speaker 4: B side, and you know, he beat Dela Hooya and

1688
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:50,040
Speaker 4: then he started rising to the top.

1689
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:53,439
Speaker 1: This concludes the first half of my conversation. Part two

1690
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:55,719
Speaker 1: is also posted and you can access it to whichever

1691
01:23:56,040 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 1: podcast platform you just listen to part one on. Just

1692
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:02,439
Speaker 1: simply go back the club profile and I'll see you there.