1 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: Hi, Get Everybody on Dan Horde and this is the 2 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: Bengals Booth podcast, The Getting beats all the time, better, better, 3 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 1: better audition as the Bengals look for their second win 4 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: in a row this week, as they faced the five 5 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: and seven Browns in Cleveland. Coming up, I'll be joined 6 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: by my broadcast partner Dave Lapham as we discussed the 7 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 1: latest Bengals news, including the return of John Ross, a 8 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: fair assessment of offensive lineman Bobby Hart, and what seems 9 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: like an absurd question, do the Bengals have to worry 10 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: about one win going to their heads? My locker room 11 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 1: conversation this week is with safety Jesse Bates, who describes 12 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: just how good it felt to no longer have to 13 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: worry about possibly joining the two thousand and eight Lions 14 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: and the two thousand and seventeen Browns and the Owen 15 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: sixteen Club. And in this week's No the Fox segment, 16 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: we'll get the lowdown on the Cleveland Browns from one 17 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: of my favorite radio play by play guys in the NFL, 18 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: Cleveland's Jim Donovan. 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Now, let's get to the latest Bengals 34 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: news with my broadcast partner Dave Lapham, and we start 35 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: with a Bengals defense that held the New York Jets 36 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,239 Speaker 1: to two hundred and seventy one yards and two field 37 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: goals last week and did not give up a twenty 38 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: yard play for the first time in twenty seven games. 39 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: Lap the Bengals defense has held three straight opponents to 40 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: seventeen or fewer points. Is that mostly due to mediocre 41 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,239 Speaker 1: opponents or do you see signs that the defense might 42 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: actually be decent. I think it's a combination of both, 43 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: you know. I do think that anytime you hold any offense, 44 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: I don't care if it's peewee football out of the 45 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: end zone and limit them to field goals, you've done 46 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: a hell of a job. And I thought that defensive 47 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: performance they had last week was masterful. Really. I mean, 48 00:02:57,840 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: they didn't even let him in the red zone. They 49 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: didn't even let him inside the twenty yard line one snap, 50 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 1: just a yeoman's effort right there. But I do think 51 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,679 Speaker 1: that it's a combination of the level of the opponent 52 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 1: and the people up front, coupled with the Bengals getting 53 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: healthy on their side of it defensively, so instead of 54 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: six man rotation, they've had a full eight man rotation 55 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: against lesser groups, And that combination, that synergy of not 56 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: as good an opponent up front and having all of 57 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: your guys and keeping your stars fresh, fresher in the 58 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 1: fourth quarter and all throughout the football game has been 59 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: a big, big deal. Because in the opener against Seattle 60 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: when all hands were on deck. Defensive line kicked some tail, 61 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: I mean, just dominated up front. And then the injuries 62 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: start happening and they're playing good quality opponents and Lamar 63 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: Jackson's of the world and you're down a few guys 64 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: in your front seven. You know, those things kind of 65 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: snowball the wrong way. Now maybe you're playing you know, 66 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: you're done with Jackson and the Baltimore Ravens. You don't 67 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: have to worry about that that craziness anymore. You don't 68 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: have the forty nine ers with what they were doing, 69 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: a lot of those offenses and those offensive lines are gone, 70 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: and you're playing, you know, offenses that aren't quite as 71 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: explosive with less talent in their offensive line, and you've 72 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: got your troops back. I think I think it's that 73 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: that entire storyline right there. John Ross, his eligibolter, returned 74 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: from the injured list this week. It sounds like he's 75 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 1: going too. How does that impact the playbook? Well, I mean, 76 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: I keep going back to Deshaun Watson, you know, talking 77 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: about um he had he had a subpart performance and 78 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: then the following week came back and played very well, 79 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: you know, and then Thursday Night football. He had another 80 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: great game. But when he went from the poor performance 81 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 1: to coming back and playing well, he was asked after 82 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 1: the game, you know, what's the difference in how you performed? 83 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: You said, got Fuller back. Fuller of Notre Dame stretched 84 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 1: the field man. Bengals almost drafted him, they wanted him, 85 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: and the Texans got them right. The Bengals did, and 86 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: then later on they draft John Ross to that same role. 87 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: So Fuller and Ross provide the same thing. What's Fuller 88 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 1: provided to Deshaun Watson, Ross is going to provide to 89 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: Andy Dalton, and what Fuller provided to his cohorts the 90 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: receiver position, John Ross is going to provide to Tyler 91 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: Boyd and his cohorts at the receiver position as well. 92 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 1: So I think that it's just having speed, somebody that 93 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 1: you know, takes the top off the defense. The box 94 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 1: that the Bengals will have been playing and will finally 95 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 1: be open and they'll be able to walk outside the 96 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 1: box and get some fresh air and say, wow, it's 97 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 1: nice out here, you know. And I think there's going 98 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: to be an impact. And like we've talked about a 99 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 1: few times, it not only impacts the passing attack where 100 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: guys like Tyler Boyd and Tyler Eiffert, can you know, 101 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: abuse the middle of the football field. When John Ross 102 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: is stretching one side of it, he is going to 103 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:57,119 Speaker 1: tilt coverage. You know. It opens up some running lanes 104 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: for Joe Mixon, makes it easier for the offensive line 105 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: to create some cavities for Joe Misson to take advantage 106 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: of and man up in Cleveland, it's grass in Miami's grass. 107 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, of AJ Green would come back as well, 108 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 1: And obviously that's a hope in her prayers. There's no 109 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: indication that that would be the case at this point 110 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: in time. But if he were to come back, have 111 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: John Ross on one side, AJ Green and the other 112 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: taking the top off the defense on both sides of 113 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: the football field, I mean, the offense would look so different. 114 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 1: People would be like, where's this been. It's been on 115 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 1: the sideline with injury. I mean, the Bengals have been playing. 116 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: They've been hamstrung all season long in terms of what 117 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: they really are offensively. Let's talk about a wide receiver 118 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: who does not have great speed, Audent Tate. He never 119 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: really seems to be open, but he's become a key weapon. 120 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 1: He had four catches for sixty six yards last week. 121 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,239 Speaker 1: He's on a pace for seven hundred forty five receiving 122 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: yards this year. Have you ever seen anybody quite like 123 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: Auden Tate? You know, he's I've seen a lot of 124 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 1: receivers that you know, don't didn't have great speed, but 125 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: could find a way to get open, you know, Danny 126 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: Abramowitz and Fred Bolitnikoff, and I mean, but that's that's 127 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: back a lot of years ago. Chip Myers was a 128 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: big receiver, tall, not super speed, but kind of deceptive speed. 129 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: Pat mcinally same type of guy, big, tall receiver, deceptive speed. 130 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: This guy, though, is six to five almost two hundred 131 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: and thirty pounds, like two hundred and twenty eight pounds, 132 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: So you know, I'm sure a lot of teams in 133 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: the league there was a temptation to say, hey, let's 134 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: get him up to like two thirty eight, two forties 135 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: and see if he can play tight end. But he's 136 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: he is a gifted wide receiver. I mean that's due 137 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: to the injuries. He's had a legitimate chance, and he's 138 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: proven that he belongs in the National Football League's He's 139 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: a guy that he's not going to run by you. 140 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: But when he's covered, he's open because he'll box you out. 141 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: I mean, he uses his body position to his advantage. 142 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: He's got extremely long arms, so you know, he's got 143 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: these big candle levers that he's got a huge catching radius. 144 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: And when he gets his hands on the football, they're 145 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: extremely strong. They're like suction cups, and he wins contested catches. 146 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: And the one thing that he does is when he's 147 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: right at the end of his route, at the top 148 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: of his route, he does have the step to short 149 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: space quickness for his size, and he can get you know, 150 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: a little bit of separation just enough where he'll be 151 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: able to use his body and do the things that 152 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: that he can do. But man, I mean we've seen 153 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: him contorting his body and you know, diving and making 154 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: these circus catches. I mean, it's it's incredible to watch 155 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 1: this kid and quarterbacks feel totally confident going back shoulder 156 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: if he's covered, just going back shoulder to take get 157 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: it anywhere in that vicinity. He'll make a play on it. 158 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: It's it's been impressive to watch. He's been you know, 159 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: he's been a nice storyline to follow this year. Offensive 160 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: coordinator Brian Callahan had praised for right tackle Bobby Hart 161 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,719 Speaker 1: this week. It wasn't effusive, but he said he's had 162 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: a solid season overall. Do you agree. I think people are. 163 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: I mean, they'd love to pile on on Bobby Hart, 164 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: there's no question. I mean it started with the contract. 165 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: You know, he gets more money than people felt like 166 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: he should get, so he becomes an easy target, you know, 167 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: in their mind. And he'll have his you know, a 168 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: moment where he jumps off sides or whatever. But his 169 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: whole thing is he wants to be on the cutting 170 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: edge of I have to get off these defensive linemen. 171 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:26,839 Speaker 1: I don't want to let them have a good get 172 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: off on me. I'm quick, My strength was my feet. 173 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: I'm an He's an athletic guy, he really is. He's 174 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: not a big, group overpower you type guy, but he's 175 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: got really good feet, he's got long arms, he uses 176 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: his hands well, and yeah, honestly, he's he's played pretty solidly. 177 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, where would they be without Bobby 178 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: Hart and Trey Hopkins. I mean those guys have been 179 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: the staples, you know, in terms of and Bobby Honestly, 180 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: since the Baltimore game, the second Baltimore game. Has been 181 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: playing with a bum shoulder and it's he said, it's 182 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: not getting worse, but he's had a harness on it 183 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: from time to time and you can't really get it 184 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: up above his head. But you don't need to to 185 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: be able to block. So he has enough of his 186 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:09,839 Speaker 1: power and his strength where he can keep his hands 187 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: and arms below his shoulders and be able to block people. 188 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 1: So the fact that he's out there sucking it up, 189 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: you know, playing hurt and the shoulder injury is not fun. 190 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: Believe me, when you have shoulder problems, it's not fun 191 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: when you're alignment because you know you're dealing with you're 192 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: dealing with that pain every snap. So you know, I 193 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 1: think that saying that he's had a solid season would 194 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: I wouldn't dispute that. I wouldn't disagree with that whatsoever. 195 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 1: Speaking of the old line, rookie Michael Jordan was back 196 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: in this dining lineup last week. How did he do 197 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: a lot better? You know, I thought, you know, lesson 198 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: learned and was learned against a great player, I mean, 199 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: Cameron Heyward is He's a man. There's no doubt about that. 200 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: Fellow Buckeye. He's having a Pro Bowl season. I don't 201 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: think he gets enough credit, even though it's a Pro 202 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 1: Bowl player. It's like nobody talks about him enough in 203 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: my opinion. But you know, Michael learned a lot that 204 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: football game in Pittsburgh. As a line they gave up 205 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: eight sacks and Cameron Hayward had two and a half 206 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: of them. So he's worked his way back. He was 207 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: nicked up a little bit injury wise, worked his way back. 208 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: They started using him as the extra tight end and 209 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: formations and there he is out there again. Another guy 210 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: with huge radius, I mean, long athletic, can move his feet, 211 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: He's got power. The biggest thing about Michael Jordana that 212 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: has impressed me extremely mature. I mean he's only twenty 213 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: two years old. I think he just recently turned it 214 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: and his parents raised him right. I mean, that kid 215 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:44,239 Speaker 1: is mature and a lot of guys might have crumbled 216 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: and assumed the fetal position to never recover after what 217 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: happened with Cameron Hayward. But he uses as a learning 218 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: tool and I think he's gonna have a hell of 219 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: a career. I think he's gonna play a long time. 220 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: I think he's gonna play at a very high level 221 00:11:56,080 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: for a long time. I think they feel like traded 222 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: up to get him for a reason, and I think 223 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: they feel comfortable with it. Bengals in Cleveland to take 224 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: on the Browns this Sunday, Lap the Browns. Around the 225 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: cover of Sports Illustrated's NFL Preview edition, SI predicted that 226 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: the Browns would win the AFC North. Well, they're five 227 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: and seven. They lost to the Steelers last week with 228 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: Devlin Duck Hodges at quarterback. Are you surprised that the 229 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:30,079 Speaker 1: Browns aren't that good? You know, I think that sometimes 230 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: expectations are set so high it's almost impossible to achieve them. 231 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: And honestly, a first time head coach takes time. I mean, 232 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 1: he was assistant running back coach. I think at the 233 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: beginning of the year a year ago, it was crazy. 234 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: I mean, the Mete York rise has been just, you know, 235 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,199 Speaker 1: a site to behold. Freddy Kitchens came out of nowhere, 236 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 1: and you know, I really thought that the way they 237 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: the way they responded, you know, last year to Greg Williams, 238 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: I really thought that that might be a direction that 239 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: they go and maybe make Freddy Kitchens offensive coordinator because 240 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: there's a relationship with Baker Mayfield. Because of his relationship 241 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: with Baker Mayfield, they named him the head coach and 242 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: let Greg Williams walk so and I think the defense 243 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: was playing so well into Greg Williams. I would have 244 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,839 Speaker 1: just kept him around and kept that kind of style 245 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 1: of play that they were responding to. So I you know, 246 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: I think I think part of it is decisions that 247 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: were made in the coaching aspect of it, and then 248 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: a lot of times you accumulate star players like they did, 249 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: doesn't mean it's going to work in terms of chemistry, 250 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: in terms of you know, defining roles on a football team, 251 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: checking egos and all the things that have to go 252 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: with that. So I thought they would be better. I 253 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: did not see them, you know, being a super Bowl winner, 254 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: of being a Super Bowl participant, winning the AFC Championship. 255 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: I didn't see that. But I saw them being a 256 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: potential playoff team. You know what, the talent they have, 257 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: and they haven't performed up to that level. There's there's 258 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: no doubt about that, and there's there's a myriad of 259 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: reasons why, and it just goes to show you that 260 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: the intangibles are at least as maybe more important than 261 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:18,079 Speaker 1: intangibles when you're putting the thing together. And I think 262 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: I think this football team is probably a pretty good 263 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: example of that lap. After setting a rookie record with 264 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: twenty seven touchdown passes and becoming a pitch man for 265 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: every other advertiser on TV, Baker Mayfield has had a 266 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: lousy year. He has last among qualifying quarterbacks and passer rating. 267 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: He's got fourteen interceptions. That's the third most in the NFL. 268 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: Are we talking second year growing pains or something more? 269 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: That's that's a great question. I mean, I think that 270 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: a lot of times defensive coordinators have a full offseason 271 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: to take a look at Baker Mayfield, what he does best, 272 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: to take away from him, Like Bill Belichick always says, 273 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: take a player's strength, the way, make him play left 274 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: handed if he's a right handed player, or vice versa, 275 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: you know, And I think people are doing that with 276 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield somewhat. Maybe he's not handling the looks and 277 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: the pressures as much or as well as he did. 278 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: That's a good question. I mean, it would have to be. 279 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: You don't have to be tracking him almost on a 280 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: week to week basis. Up there to see and to 281 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: see what they're doing against him. And part of it 282 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: too is you know, bringing in a guy like Beckham 283 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: and you know you've got Landry who you had established 284 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: a relationship. Now Beckham wants the ball. I mean, it's 285 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: just it's kind of a tug of war. Even if 286 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: it's not something that is verbalized, you know that everybody 287 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: wants to football. It's to me, it's almost like when 288 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: you have too many superstars at one position group, it 289 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: can be an issue. You know there you're always better 290 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: off having a clear cut number one and then you know, 291 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: and then everybody else has roles. Sometimes when you have 292 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: one and one a or two ones or whatever it is, 293 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: that can kind of play with a quarterback a little 294 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: bit too. I think losing his tight end to injury, 295 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: who's a big time playmaker, was a factor in it 296 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: as well. He does like to utilize the tight end. 297 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: He had a great one when he was at Oklahoma 298 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: Andrews was playing well, you know, for the Baltimore Ravens. 299 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: So he's very mindful of involving tight ends in the 300 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: passing game. So it's a bunch of things. Offensive line 301 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: I don't think is his playing as well, maybe as 302 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: they did last year. So it's probably not just a thing. 303 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: It's like it always is. It's an accumulation of a 304 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: lot of things, and sometimes those little things start accumulating, 305 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: they become big issues. Lap As crazy as this might sound, 306 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: after No. And eleven start, did the Bengals have to 307 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: worry about one win going to their heads? You know, 308 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: handling success, that that old story is a factor, and 309 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: you know, one win, he can't hardly term it success, 310 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: but it is such a relief. It's like that nasty 311 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: pimple that filled and all that pressure and finally that 312 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: sucker pops, you know. I mean, that's what you're hoping 313 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: might happen, and the Bengals get that victory and it 314 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 1: alleviates and leaves all that pressure. But Dan, it wasn't 315 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: a masterpiece. I mean, they averaged one point eight yards 316 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: a carry. They had no players of twenty yards or more. 317 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: Their longest run was nine yards, their longest pass I 318 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: think was seventeen. It was a touchdown. I mean, it 319 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 1: wasn't like they ripped it up offensively. Defensively, you know, 320 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 1: they were unbelievable defensively. They've only given up one touchdown 321 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: the last ten quarters of play. I mean, that's that's 322 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 1: pretty phenomenal and thirty nine points in the last three games. 323 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: They've been building and getting better on the defensive side 324 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 1: of things. But there were a lot of corrections to 325 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 1: be made looking at that tape. And I bet if 326 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 1: guys looked at that tape against the New York Jets, 327 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 1: particularly offensively, they can point to other games as an 328 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: offensive line where we blocked guys better than that and 329 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: lost the football game by two scores. We didn't block 330 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: these guys as well in the running and we by 331 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 1: two scores. So it's a crazy game, and you just 332 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 1: always have to try to improve on your techniques and 333 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: fundamentals and and try to make plays. I mean, it's 334 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 1: all about making plays and limiting the plays that the 335 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 1: other team makes. It's that simple. Best analogy ever, getting 336 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 1: a win after an on eleven start is like popping 337 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: a nasty pimple. I wouldn't want to see that line 338 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: on a T shirt, although someday I hope to see 339 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: a Dave Lapham T shirt with the words A loose 340 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: groin is a happy groin. Now, time for this week's 341 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: locker Room Conversation. As I visit with a second year 342 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,439 Speaker 1: Bengal who will be looking for his first win in 343 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: three tries against Baker Mayfield and the Cleveland Browns. We're 344 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: in the locker room with second year safety Jesse Bates. 345 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 1: Give me a few words to describe how good it 346 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 1: felt on Sunday night. Yeah, it's a lot of worries 347 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 1: I can say about getting the first win. Obviously, it's 348 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 1: something that we've won it all year. Um, it sucks 349 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: that we had to wait until week twelve or whatever 350 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: it was, but we finally got the monkey off our 351 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: back and hopefully we can continue to build some minimum 352 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: for next year, just knowing that we're that we can't 353 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: play for any championships this year. So we're talking to 354 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: Jesse Bates. When you guys came back to work on Monday, 355 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 1: did everybody have a little pep in their step? Yeah? 356 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 1: It was a little different, um watching the film compared 357 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,679 Speaker 1: to you know, losing. Um, I think we played a 358 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: complete game as a whole football team, not just defensively 359 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: or offensively. I think we played well consistently throughout the game. 360 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 1: So that was good to see. I hate to even 361 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: ask the question, but there've only been two oh and 362 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: sixteen teams in history. As the losses were mounting, were 363 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: you getting worried about that potential scarlet letter? UM? It's 364 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: funny there was no conversation throughout the players thinking about 365 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: going on sixteen. I think we're we did a really 366 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: good job of just going in to every week, just 367 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,880 Speaker 1: going one to know UM. And unfortunately, like I said, 368 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 1: we had to wait until week thirteen or whatever it 369 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: was to get the first win. UM. We amongst you know, 370 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 1: family and friends, you never want to be that team UM. 371 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: For example, like the Cleveland Grounds. I mean they're they're 372 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: all sixteen UM, and we don't want to be that. 373 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: So hopefully we can stack some wins and you know, 374 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: makes the season feel a little better on the back end. 375 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 1: We're talking to Jesse Bates. Over the last three weeks, 376 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: the defense is given up seventeen, sixteen and six points. 377 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: That's going to get you a win almost any time. 378 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,199 Speaker 1: What's been the difference? UM, I just think that we 379 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: executed UM the game plan very well. UH. The biggest 380 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,479 Speaker 1: thing that a lot of people have noticed is that 381 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: we haven't given up a lot of explosive players. UM. 382 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: And that's been the key part that hurt us um 383 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: in the first part of the season. Um. And also 384 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: we've we've been able to generate some turnovers as well 385 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: and stop the run. So those three things. I mean 386 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: that that has been the huge key for us defensively 387 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: to give up. I mean I think that we're giving 388 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: up to touchdown or a touchdown and up past ten 389 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 1: quarters or something like that. Um, it's just good that 390 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: we're playing well. It just needs to continue to snowball effect, 391 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: like I said, and build the momentum to weeks on. 392 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 1: Go ahead, Jesse, your thirteenth in the NFL and solo tackles. 393 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: Switch is necessarily ideal when you're playing safety. But how 394 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 1: much pride do you take and getting guys to the ground. 395 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: Um yeah, it's something that Um, that's that's my job. 396 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,199 Speaker 1: That's my job description. Um, I'm a safety. I'm the 397 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: last line of defense. And UM, if you can't get 398 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: people on the ground, you're not doing your job, your 399 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 1: job very well. So UM, me and me and Sean 400 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 1: we take pride and you know, getting guys on the ground, 401 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 1: making sure that there's no um, you know, explosive touchdowns 402 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: that are happening. So UM yeah, I mean I take 403 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: pride in that, and that's good to hear. So Sean, 404 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: of course, is Sean Williams your fellows safety. He has 405 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 1: played with a wide variety of injuries this year. I mean, 406 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: everybody's bagged up this time of year, but in his case, 407 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: it's been some pretty serious stuff. I might respect you 408 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: have for him. Yeah, you know this isn't just the 409 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 1: only example of having respect for him. You know, coming 410 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: in as a rookie last year and hanging on to 411 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: him and him taking me under his wing was a 412 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: huge respect thing for me. And it's built not just 413 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: on the field, it's built off the field as well. Um, 414 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: Sean is pretty much like a big brother to me. 415 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: So I got a lot of respect for him. You 416 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 1: face the Browns this week. I heard you say earlier 417 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 1: in the week that everybody knows about Odell Beckham Junior 418 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,120 Speaker 1: and Jarvis Landry and they're great players, but the real 419 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: key is the running backs. Yeah, and I think the 420 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 1: two hour receivers they let everyone know when they catch 421 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 1: the ball. I think that's what everybody, all the fans 422 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: and stuff, wants to see because, like like you're saying, Um, 423 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: before the season, they were the Super Bowl team that 424 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: everybody thought that I was gonna make it to the 425 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Um, and it's not such like that anymore. U. 426 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 1: So yeah, I just think you know, Nick Chubb and 427 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: Cream Hunt, those are the guys that gets that team going. Um. 428 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: It's not the receivers, obviously, they're very dynamic. Um. But 429 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: the thing that gets that that team going is those 430 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: two running backs. So that's something that we've keyed in 431 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,640 Speaker 1: on this week. So last thing, Baker Mayfield has four 432 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: teen picks this year. Is he a guy that has 433 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: so much faith in his arm and his ability to 434 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: stick it in a tight window that you think there 435 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 1: will be opportunities to pick one off? Yeah? Absolutely. Um, 436 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:36,719 Speaker 1: I think last year he got away with a lot 437 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 1: of stuff didn't and now it's kind of hurting him. 438 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 1: He's thrown a lot of interceptions. Um. You know, hopefully 439 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: you can throw us some. I mean, we haven't got 440 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: as many as we wanted to as a secondary, as 441 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: a whole defense. Um, but yeah, hopefully we can get 442 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 1: him ratled and give him to talk a little stuff 443 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: and those some interceptions. I hope this Monday is as 444 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: enjoyable as last Monday. Wise, best of thanks for the time. Yes, Sir, 445 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: that's Jesse Bates Baker. Mayfield has not had a good 446 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: year other than cashing the checks for being on every 447 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: other commercial on TV. But the Bengals only have to 448 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 1: pop on the tape from last season to see Mayfield 449 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: at is absolute best. In two wins against Cincinnati, the 450 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: former Heisman Trophy winner through seven touchdown passes with no 451 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: interceptions and a passer rating of one thirty five point eight. 452 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 1: This year, it's been a different story. The number one 453 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 1: pick in last year's draft ranks last among qualifying quarterbacks 454 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: in completion percentage, touchdown to interception ratio and passer rating, 455 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: and this week he's dealing with a bruised hand suffered 456 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: late in the second quarter in last week's loss in Pittsburgh. 457 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,360 Speaker 1: Dave lappom and I discussed that and much more in 458 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: this week's No The Faux segment with the radio voice 459 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: of the Browns, Jim Donovan. My first question is how 460 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: are those Pittsburghs started a T shirt selling? Are you 461 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: wearing one as we speak? Right? If I did not 462 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: wear mine outside to a movie? Yeah, I just got 463 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: to go to the mister Rogers round. It's a great 464 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 1: day in the papers of the movie and I did 465 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 1: not have my uh fo it started his T shirt on. 466 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 1: I have to tell you that's uh that whole thing. 467 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: I mean not only that, I mean the T shirt, 468 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 1: but what triggered it all That Thursday night game. Um, 469 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 1: you know that that that was a great, great night 470 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: in Cleveland. That turned into a real bad night in Cleveland. 471 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: I mean it really did. When you beat the Steelers especially, 472 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we it spent so long since 473 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: the Browns had beaten the Steelers, but when you beat 474 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: them it should be a holiday. The that statement. I 475 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: have to tell you guys, because of the last eight 476 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: seconds of that game and how it all you know, 477 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 1: went down in that ugly melee when you watched out 478 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 1: the first Entergy Stadium that night. It really how what 479 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: they lost that night, and then all the other stuff 480 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 1: that's gone down the road with it has been unbelievable. 481 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 1: Freddy Kitchen seems like a likable guy, but that was 482 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: just kind of such a silly thing to do, to 483 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: be photographed with a fan. I would think you would 484 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: have to know how that would come off. Is he 485 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: just naive? Yeah? I think so, Dan, I really do. 486 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: I think all of this notoriety. That really started last 487 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 1: year when he became the offensive coordinator and the offense 488 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 1: really started to Cleitch as you guys saw when he 489 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: took over the play calling, and you know, he was 490 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 1: just I think Clevelander said, Hey, this guy's like one 491 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 1: of us. I mean, he wore the orange sweatshirt at 492 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 1: that time that said dog Pound on it, and people 493 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: really related to that. And so he became kind of 494 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: a real favorite and the team finished well, and and 495 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 1: he bought into that too. I mean, you know, he's 496 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 1: out there. He's like a greeter when you meet him 497 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: out in the streets. I mean he stops and talks 498 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: to everybody. So I think all of this that came 499 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 1: along with being the head coach of the Browns really 500 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: was overwhelming to him. And there are a lot of 501 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 1: areas whereas he has had a tough time handle, like 502 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: what happened with the T shirt, but also what's happened 503 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,679 Speaker 1: with the you know, the multitude of responsibilities that go 504 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: with becoming a head coach because he has never been 505 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 1: a head coach before. Is the situation here in Cincinnati 506 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,959 Speaker 1: is Zach Taylor head coach and play caller is Freddie 507 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: Kitchen's head coach. Is Monkin play caller? Is Freddie play caller? 508 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: How much influence does Todd Monkin have on the offense. Well, 509 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 1: that equation has been hard to decipher, but at least 510 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,199 Speaker 1: on game day, Freddie is the head coach and he 511 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: is calling the play right Todd Monkin sits upstairs. They 512 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: have never really come out and said here's how it happens, 513 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: you know, to radio's down to play and then Freddie says, yeah, 514 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: you're nay, And they've never really gone over that. You know. 515 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 1: David was like it was a funny situation anyway, because 516 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: Monkin is a you know, he's a pretty well established 517 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: guy who was a head coach in college and of 518 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: course a play caller before in and when he came 519 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: here and Freddie had been come the head coach and 520 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 1: was and openly said I'm gonna I'll call the place, 521 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: he wondered why Monkin came here in the first place 522 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: to do that. You know, it was kind of a 523 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: strange set up for a guy that was so h 524 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 1: you know, he has such good experience, but they've never 525 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: really come out and said this is how we do it. 526 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,640 Speaker 1: They don't even describe what the format they go through 527 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 1: during the week. Other than I know Todd, you know 528 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,679 Speaker 1: as a was a bit fan. I mean when he 529 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: came here, he talked a great deal about getting the 530 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 1: opportunity to be around a young quarterback like Baker Mayfield 531 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 1: and watching him grow. And I know he was in 532 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: love with, you know, the air raid offense coming into 533 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: the NFL, and he up with what Kansas City was 534 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: doing and he wanted to see that he put into 535 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: the to the Cleveland offense. So I'm sure there's monk 536 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: in influence. But as far as strategically on game day, 537 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: as far as I know and what we've seen through 538 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: the throe of these games, these twelve games, I would 539 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: have to say that Freddie is he's calling the place 540 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: too right. We are talking to the voice of the Browns, 541 00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,959 Speaker 1: Jim Donovan. Jim. A lot of us expected to be 542 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: the brown expected the Browns to be good this year. 543 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,479 Speaker 1: I'll put myself in that category. I'm not necessarily talking 544 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: Super Bowl good, but certainly playoff good in my case 545 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: at least, what did so many of us get wrong 546 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 1: about the Cleveland Browns? Yeah, I think, Um, I think 547 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,719 Speaker 1: there's a lot to be said for chemistry. And I 548 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: think at the end of the year last year when 549 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: they get on that nice little run, they had a 550 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: nice little chemistry going. They really did, and whether it 551 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: was pretty you know, turning the offense around and and 552 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: and Greg Williams really kind of making them to the 553 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: long they were a very disciplined team at the end 554 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: of the year. Um, but that was last year. But 555 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: then coming into this year, you know, they added the 556 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: big name parts. I mean they've been obviously OBJ and 557 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: coming here that was the biggest of them all. And 558 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: with the you know, Kareem Hunt joining the team and 559 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: then sitting out the eight weeks because of suspension, and 560 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: then adding him into the offense, It's been kind of 561 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: like when you go into a buffet line and you 562 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 1: just take everything, and they went and they took everything 563 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: and they added that, and then when you sit down 564 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: at potendy, you go on, this is just too much 565 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: for me to eat. And really, when they're out on 566 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: the field, you look at it and you just say, 567 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: I don't think they really know what they want to 568 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: do with all of this. I don't think they know 569 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: how they can function. It's great to say we have 570 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt, but I don't think they 571 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: have a downpack yet. Of Okay, it's great to have them, 572 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 1: but how are we going to use each one of 573 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: their skills? How are we going to have them on 574 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: the field together. What are we going to do? And 575 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: the bier stopsacle has been Beckham. How it get him involved? 576 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: And there has just been no chemistry. But I have 577 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: to say this, in the off season, you know, Odell 578 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: Beckham Junior really didn't do anything in the off season. 579 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 1: He attended one OTA session, he came to the Mints, 580 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 1: but he really didn't do anything. He came to training camp, 581 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 1: he never played in the preseason game. So when they 582 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: went out on the field and the opening game of 583 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: the season against Tennessee, they can't expected, I think, to 584 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: just snap their fingers and it's gonna work. And it 585 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: has not worked. You mentioned discipline. You look at penalty yards. 586 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: The Bengals of one and eleven football team have the 587 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: fewest penalty yards of any team in the NFL. Number one, 588 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: only five hundred and forty penalty yards. The team that 589 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: has the most of the Cleveland Browns, you know, they've 590 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: got nine hundred and twenty six penalty yards. The Bengals case, 591 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: just have not made enough plays. Penalties have not betrayed 592 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: the big plays. Have penalties betrayed and offset a lot 593 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: of big plays by the Browns. Had they been not 594 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 1: only numerous, but very untimely. Yeah, they have, and there's 595 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: been and there's a lot of after the whistle stuff, Gabe. 596 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: It really is, especially early in the year. The opening 597 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: game of the year against Tennessee, they had eighteen eighteen 598 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: accept eighteen accepted penalties. I mean they are over twenty. 599 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: You know, if they had taken them all. Um, you know, 600 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: they've had thirteen penaltyue games eleven. Only in the last 601 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: couple of weeks has that come. I'm down a little bit. 602 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: But yeah, there was a lot of there's a lot 603 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: of unsports fell conduct, rough in the passer, that kind 604 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: of stuff. I mean, they've had ejections. I mean not 605 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: just the Miles Garrett one. I mean they've had to 606 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: you know, there's there's left tackle Greg Robinson got kicked 607 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: out of the opening game for kicking a guy in 608 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: the head. I mean really, I mean really undisciplined stuff. 609 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: Now during during the summer, you know, Hardy was saying 610 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: they we're going to be a very tough football team, 611 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: and I want them to be tough, and you know 612 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 1: we're going to come back people. But there's a real line. 613 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: I think that you have to you have to watch 614 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: that you go over on the wrong side of that line. 615 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 1: And I think too many times, uh that's happened. I mean, 616 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: they the penalties have been absolutely just absurd. And then 617 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: you go at the tikie tack ones where they can't 618 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: get lined up, you know, a lot of false starts 619 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: things like that. So, um, you know that that that's 620 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: been something that really, you know a lot of people 621 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 1: have said, hey, listen, there's a there's a discipline problem, 622 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: you know, bordering on totally doing discipline. And I think 623 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: that that falls on the post, on the head coach 624 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: and definitely his staff. Sure. A couple more questions for 625 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: the Voice of the Browns. Jim Donovan described Baker Mayfield's 626 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 1: play this year. He's had a tough year, he really has. 627 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: I mean, he had a sophomore I don't think it's 628 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a sophomore slump. I think 629 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 1: it definitely probably. Yeah, I think you could probably characterize 630 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: it that way. Now. To hear myself saying it because 631 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: I've watched it go. He has not. I don't think 632 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 1: he's been comfortable guys with that offensive line in front 633 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: of him, and I think he's taken a lot of hits. 634 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 1: And he had a rough day in Pittsburgh last Sunday. 635 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: He got sacked five times, he had an injured hand, 636 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: he fumbled, he got intercepted. The interceptions were really high, 637 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 1: especially early in the season. Got a little bit better 638 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 1: before the Pittsburgh game when they won the three games 639 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: in a row. He's been very frustrating at times. He's 640 00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: battled with the media a couple of times. You know, 641 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 1: he looks as though he just doesn't know what he 642 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 1: wants to do at times. And he was so decisive 643 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: and so affluent last year, and I think that's why 644 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: everybody was so excited about him coming into his second season. 645 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: But whether it's just the odd of having a guy 646 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: like Odell Beckham Junior out there and saying to yourself, 647 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,359 Speaker 1: I gotta get him the ball. I gotta get him 648 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: the ball. It was a little bit like that when 649 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 1: they had Josh Gordon here and he would return after 650 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 1: a suspension and they would say, okay, listen, he's back 651 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 1: in the lineup, we've got to push the ball to him, 652 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 1: and everybody else fell out of the offense. And it's 653 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: been like that. He's had a very, very tough year. 654 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,879 Speaker 1: I think that this will be a year. I think 655 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: when he goes into year three next year, he'll look 656 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 1: back and say, Wow, it's this position is really a 657 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 1: lot tougher than I thought it was going to be 658 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: after my rookie year. Two players, one offense, one defense, 659 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: I think are a little uncelebrated in terms of what 660 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 1: they do in my mind. Like you say, quarterback, star receivers, 661 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 1: Nick Chubb, dude, I mean he's leading the NFL and 662 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: rushing he runs as hard as anybody's ever seen. Eleven 663 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five rushing yards, averaging almost five yards 664 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: to carry, seven rushing touchdown. This dude is the real deal. 665 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: And then defensively, Joe Schobert. Nobody talks it. He's a 666 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: tackling machine. He's got fifty more tackles than the next guy. 667 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 1: Basically Mack Wilson two sacks, four interceptions, all you know, 668 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: all in the last in the last four games. Nine 669 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: pass defense, two forced fumbles, fumble, recovery. He's a stat 670 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,880 Speaker 1: line stuff for those two guys, one on offense, one 671 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 1: on defense. I'm like, man, they just jump out on 672 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:42,719 Speaker 1: tape now. Yeah. Nick Chubb is just the ultimate professional 673 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 1: who doesn't look for any of the spotlight. He shuns it. 674 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: He really does. He just does. He just does his 675 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: work out in the field. There are no wild celebrations 676 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,799 Speaker 1: after touchdowns. He does it the old fashioned way, Dade. 677 00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,439 Speaker 1: He kind of hands the ball to the official breed. 678 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 1: He really is a rare breed. The other thing is 679 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 1: he can run with power and then he's had an 680 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: extra gear. He can run away from you. I mean 681 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,880 Speaker 1: he's had some classic long runs. He had a ninety 682 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 1: two yard or in the big win that they had 683 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 1: in Baltimore earlier season. It really kind of broke the 684 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 1: game open. He can get you a yard, he can 685 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 1: get you fifty yards. He's worked awfully hard, and especially 686 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 1: when you know they had traded Duke Johnson and they 687 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 1: didn't have Kareem Hunt for the first eight weeks, Chuck 688 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 1: really worked hard him being a good receiver out of 689 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 1: the background, and he's become more than adequate at doing that. 690 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 1: But he is the ultimate throwback professional guy just a 691 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,399 Speaker 1: tremendous Kip doesn't say boo, and I mean he does 692 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 1: it in a skyway, not in a way that you know, 693 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 1: he shuns you. The other guy is he's a great story. 694 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 1: Joe Shoulberg was a guy that when they joke to him, 695 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 1: they thought, this guy's gonna be a core special teams player. Baby, 696 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,359 Speaker 1: he might get on the field. But I gotta give 697 00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,319 Speaker 1: Gleg Williams a lot of credit. He's the guy that 698 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: changed him into a mere linebacker. And he's really like 699 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,319 Speaker 1: a coordinator out on the field for them and they 700 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,839 Speaker 1: need that, believe me. You know, he gets the line 701 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 1: up and then he makes play and he's all over 702 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,759 Speaker 1: the field. He can go sideline to sideline. His death 703 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 1: on being able to drop in the passing in is 704 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 1: tremendous and he's really a he's a terrific player. Keith 705 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 1: thing Now, I mean, this is a contract year for 706 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 1: him and it will be interesting to see what they 707 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 1: do as far as they able to give him back 708 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 1: next year. Our thanks to Jim Donovan. And that's going 709 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,480 Speaker 1: to do it for this episode of the podcast. If 710 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,360 Speaker 1: you haven't done so already, don't forget to subscribe. And 711 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 1: if you have a minute, please give it a rating 712 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 1: or share a comment. 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