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Speaker 2: As the old saying goes, actions speak louder than words,

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Speaker 2: and you better be listening to what the Miami Dolphins

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Speaker 2: He is erin Torres. I'm Dan Buyer in for Doug.

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Speaker 2: How is your Thursday going?

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Speaker 3: My Thursday's great? How is your Thursday going?

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Speaker 4: Dan Buyer?

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Speaker 2: So far, so good? And I hope people are probably

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Speaker 2: tuning in saying, wait a second, where's Doug? We heard

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Speaker 2: what Doug said last night in Green Bay after his

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Speaker 2: Phoenix picked up a huge non conference win against U

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Speaker 2: SEE Santa Barbara. Pretty good win in college basketball, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean, when you're a mid major you're trying to

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Speaker 2: make your up, way up through the Horizon League. A

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Speaker 2: nice win against an eight and three UCSB team, it's

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Speaker 2: pretty good.

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Speaker 3: Erin Torres, Yes, it was unbelievable win. I know Doug

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Speaker 3: was a little bit emotional after the game, yes, And

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Speaker 3: what you know, I'll give you the floor. You know

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Speaker 3: Doug as well as anybody in this business, and I

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Speaker 3: know I know Doug will be speaking for himself soon.

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Speaker 2: And Doug's going to be in tomorrow, so we all

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Speaker 2: know the news and we'll let Doug speak for what

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Speaker 2: Doug has to say and what he said last night.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to put any words in his mouth.

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Speaker 2: But after the win, the big win that they got,

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Speaker 2: Doug made an announcement and he will deal with that tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: So we're all aware. Doug will be on the Doug

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Speaker 2: Gottlieb Show tomorrow. You don't have to worry about that.

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Speaker 2: But it's erin Torres and myself today hanging out here

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Speaker 2: on Fox Sports Radio. So but a great win for Doug.

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Speaker 2: Going to focus on basketball. We're going to focus on

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Speaker 2: this show today and let Doug say everything that he

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Speaker 2: needs to say and wants to say and deserves to say.

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Speaker 2: Coming up in tomorrow's show. A lot of people are

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Speaker 2: talking about the Miami Dolphins speaking of having something to say,

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Speaker 2: and I think aarin that the message here, the message

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Speaker 2: is being lost. The message that we have heard out

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Speaker 2: of Miami this week is that's it for Tula. Tua's

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Speaker 2: run is over. Told you Tua stinks, Tua was never good.

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Speaker 2: And I think this message is actually clouding what is

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Speaker 2: Dolphins and Mike McDaniel announcing that on Tuesday they were

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Speaker 2: going to evaluate the quarterback position, and then yesterday announcing

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Speaker 2: that seventh round pick quin you Weers would end up

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Speaker 2: for the game this Sunday against the Cincinnati Bengals. It's

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Speaker 2: all been about Tua Tua to his benching, but I

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Speaker 2: just think that there's more to that. So when you

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Speaker 2: hear the news about Tua being benched, what was your

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think coming off of Monday night,

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Speaker 3: it was a debacle. And I'll be honest when when

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Speaker 3: I did hear it, I thought, you know, not good

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Speaker 3: great point by you. We all have to take a

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Speaker 3: like Tua has become this blanket conversation without the context

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Speaker 2: Days, the Miami Dolphins have basically put this all on

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Speaker 2: Monday Night. There was some curious play calling, so much

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Speaker 2: so that Troy Aikman said it in the broadcast of

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Speaker 2: And that's what the Dolphins want you to believe and

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Speaker 2: while they may be done with Tua. Tongue of Ailoa

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Speaker 2: can tank. They're not going to get the first overall pick.

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Speaker 2: They have too many wins already for that. But it

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Speaker 2: is no coincidence, no coincidence whatsoever, that the Miami Dolphins

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Speaker 2: eliminated from postseason competition. They had it was a long

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Speaker 2: shot anyway, Aaron. But if you go back to Monday

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Speaker 2: and Tua went twenty two of twenty eight for two

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Speaker 2: if you were to bench him and you felt that

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Speaker 2: and they didn't. And so I think that the narrative

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Speaker 2: Mike McDaniel is going to stay as head coach. There

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Speaker 2: Chris Greer was ousted, the Dolphins went on a run.

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Speaker 2: The word, the narrative out of the Dolphins locker room

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Speaker 2: start on twenty twenty six and all of the signs

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Speaker 2: that lead up of what the Dolphins did with this decision,

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Speaker 2: even to Zach Wilson, who even told reporters yesterday that

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Speaker 2: understand on why they were going with Quinn Yours instead

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Speaker 2: of him. If Zach Wilson was your best way to

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Speaker 2: he's been your second quarterback all season long. Now you're

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Speaker 2: going with a seventh round pick of a quarterback, and

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Speaker 2: you were sitting there saying that this is our best option.

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Speaker 2: We want to look at stuff. No, this is tanking.

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Speaker 2: This is tanking. If you want to put two on

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Speaker 2: that's fine, but don't put it all on to his shoulders.

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Speaker 2: The Miami Dolphins are completely covering up what the real

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Speaker 5: No one.

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Speaker 3: And as far as Zach Wilson's concerned, I could tell

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Speaker 3: because he probably gives them a better chance to win

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Speaker 3: It is just a very interesting situation. And to your point,

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Speaker 3: it is interesting how it has been framed publicly. And

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Speaker 3: I do wonder if it's you know, Mike, Mike McDaniel

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Speaker 3: coming back next year. I don't know exactly why, but

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Speaker 3: it just has been interesting. And again I go back

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Speaker 3: don't know if it's just because Tua has essentially been

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Speaker 3: off major hip surgery of will he ever play football again?

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Speaker 3: Was a conversation that people were having, maybe not the

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Speaker 3: I think if you watch the game on Monday night

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Speaker 3: if somehow the Dolphins were mathematically still in a in

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Speaker 3: he is probably your starter this week. But he gets benched,

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Speaker 3: and then again to what you've said a couple times,

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Speaker 3: is the spotlight instantly turns to blame to a it's

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Speaker 3: all his fault. You gotta get rid of him. You'll

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Speaker 3: never get over a certain hump with him as your quarterback.

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Speaker 3: It has been fascinating to see how all of that

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Speaker 3: and all of those narratives have shifted.

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Speaker 2: He becomes the easy scapegoat and the reason that they're

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Speaker 2: benching him. And I know that this contract is an

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Speaker 2: enormous albatross, but this is why you're also not playing

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Speaker 2: him the final three games. If it really was a demotion,

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Speaker 2: he would probably be actually the backup quarterback. Let Quinn

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Speaker 2: you were start, and if something goes wrong then you

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Speaker 2: have two in. But no, they're gonna put him at

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Speaker 2: the emergency quarterback in case something does happen with Quinn

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Speaker 2: Ewers or Quinn e Yours is awful, then you got

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Speaker 2: to put a different quarterback in, and you put Zach

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Speaker 2: Wilson in so then Tua doesn't get hurt. Like it's

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Speaker 2: the Dolphins are just piling on. They're completely piling onto

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Speaker 2: the narrative of everybody now taking their victory lap. About

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Speaker 2: to your point, Aaron, whether it was in the twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty draft or whether it was throughout, and I agree, Look,

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Speaker 2: Tua maxed out. He maxed out with their playoff game

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Speaker 2: zero degrees. That's as good as it was going to

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Speaker 2: good as it's gonna get for Tua as a starting quarterback.

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Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean Tua deserves to have this whole

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Speaker 2: While we have got Week sixteen actions, tonight, Dolphins have

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Speaker 2: But Aaron, we are just two weeks away from New

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Speaker 5: You don't call it a throwback Thursday.

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Speaker 2: Now, Erin. I think you're going to be here on

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Dan. I'll take it from here, Thank God,

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Speaker 2: about to this day, and giving the Lakers the superstar

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Speaker 2: that they needed to replace Lebron James, which is a

433
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Speaker 2: whole other angle. I think it's a very very good

434
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Speaker 2: nominee if there are even our other nominees for Story

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Speaker 2: of twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and two more things on that note, the Lakers

437
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Speaker 3: had played that night against the Knicks, so that was

438
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Speaker 3: another crazy part because we were talking about the game,

439
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Speaker 3: and then there was something else I can't remember, but

440
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Speaker 3: it was just in Sandy Dan, do you want to

441
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Speaker 3: share yours next time? I stole the mic just talking

442
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Speaker 3: about Jay SEUs.

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Speaker 2: No, that's that's I think that Jason's is a really

444
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Speaker 2: good point to that's no apologies, no apologies needed. So

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Speaker 2: there there was. I'll just say this, Rory McElroy winning

446
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Speaker 2: the Masters was a story that was fourteen years in

447
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Speaker 2: the making and some may say ten years in the making.

448
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Speaker 2: But Rory even said it himself that going back to

449
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Speaker 2: when in twenty eleven when he blew the lead that

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Speaker 2: he had on the Sunday at Augusta National, that this

451
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Speaker 2: just wasn't about completing the career Grand Slam. This was

452
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Speaker 2: more than that, and I took a still shot of it.

453
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Speaker 2: I still actually have the final round of the Masters

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Speaker 2: on my DVR, and I've got another, I think like

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Speaker 2: CBS two Sports Central episode after because remember, Rory went

456
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Speaker 2: into a playoff with Justin Rose, and Justin Rose has

457
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Speaker 2: been close multiple times at Augusta is only one one major,

458
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Speaker 2: So you have these two guys who you're actually both

459
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Speaker 2: rooting for, but Honestly, Rory has been such the story

460
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Speaker 2: in golf for so long that him finally breaking through

461
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Speaker 2: and winning a Green jacket, to me, is the story

462
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Speaker 2: that stood out to me in twenty twenty five, on

463
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Speaker 2: a year where Scotti Scheffler won two of the four majors,

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Speaker 2: It's Rory finally winning out Augusta and winning the Green jacket.

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Speaker 4: And you know that it was one of those things

466
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Speaker 4: in sports that resonated everywhere, because I, who's not a

467
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Speaker 4: huge golf guy, obviously follow the majors. But everybody had

468
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Speaker 4: an opinion on this, and you know, like all the

469
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Speaker 4: traditional boot check marks on Twitter had their thoughts and

470
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Speaker 4: it was it ran ninety nine percent positive, like everyone

471
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Speaker 4: was just rooting for Rory. And I remember thinking, as

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Speaker 4: probably one of the only people out there, I was

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Speaker 4: actually rooting for Justin Rose that day. I for two reasons.

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Speaker 4: Justin Rose had played well, and he was a great

475
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Speaker 4: quote too. Through the entire weekend. I thought he handled

476
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Speaker 4: himself so well. And then I root for prolonged agony.

477
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Speaker 4: And this speaks to my me being an evil person.

478
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Speaker 4: I guess I was rooting for a prolonged agony and

479
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Speaker 4: that it's a much better story that Rory never wins

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Speaker 4: some Masters than him just kind of winning one eventually,

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Speaker 4: if that makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Totally does I think that. I think that Phil Mickelson

483
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Speaker 2: at the US Open, it just became it just like,

484
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Speaker 2: stop stop doing this to us, stop doing this to

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Speaker 2: me anymore. And I wondered if it was going to

486
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Speaker 2: get to that point with Rory, of him and then

487
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Speaker 2: him finally breaking through. I still have the string the

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Speaker 2: screen grabs that I took during the Masters on my

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Speaker 2: phone where they're showing him on the green and it

490
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Speaker 2: says for career Grand Slam. Like the putt that he's

491
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Speaker 2: about to make. It's not like four birdie for par

492
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Speaker 2: and it's for the career Grand Slam. And it's one

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Speaker 2: of the things that I'll I'll remember for a long

494
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Speaker 2: long time. That's why it stands out so much in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, Aaron, what stands out for you?

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Speaker 6: All Right?

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Speaker 3: So I won't do the sam There's one that I

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Speaker 3: was there for, which was Houston Duke College basketball is

499
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Speaker 3: one of the craziest games I've ever been a part of.

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Speaker 3: But for the sake of this conversation, I will go

501
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Speaker 3: with what I deem to be The second craziest story

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Speaker 3: of twenty twenty five behind Luka Doncic's trade, and that

503
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Speaker 3: is Shador Sanders draft fall. You talk about a three

504
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 3: day where were you? And correct me if I'm wrong, guys,

505
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Speaker 3: But the conversation going into the draft was that the

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Speaker 3: floor for Shador Sanders was twenty one to the Pittsburgh Steelers.

507
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 3: It was like, if all hell breaks loose, the Steelers

508
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 3: need a quarterback, they're gonna take them. And so to

509
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Speaker 3: go through the first round, he goes undrafted. Spend all

510
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Speaker 3: day Thur Friday talking about what's gonna happen on Friday

511
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Speaker 3: with Shador, only for him to go undrafted into Saturday

512
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Speaker 3: and just to really have no context in the moment

513
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Speaker 3: as to what was going on. It was pretty surreal

514
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 3: to see that happen for a guy that for most

515
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Speaker 3: of the draft process felt like he probably wasn't going

516
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Speaker 3: to be the first quarterback off the board, but was

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Speaker 3: going in the top ten.

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Speaker 6: Do you agree?

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Speaker 2: I agree? I agree. We're still talking about it. It

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00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 2: still will be a conversation. That's a very that by

521
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Speaker 2: the way, it didn't even now that it didn't register,

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Speaker 2: I just I didn't think of it and I'm I'm

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Speaker 2: I wish I did. It's a really good nominee.

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Speaker 4: But you're week with it. We were talking early in

525
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Speaker 4: the week, how there's a there's still ramifications today, and

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Speaker 4: I think one of the like sad consequences of it

527
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Speaker 4: is that cam Ward never got his love before the draft,

528
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Speaker 4: after the draft, and still to this day, cam Ward

529
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Speaker 4: is not getting any attention. It's Chaduur is sucking up

530
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Speaker 4: the oxygen in this rookie class of quarterbacks. It's it

531
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Speaker 4: was incredible.

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Speaker 8: We even had a Chaduur moment during game time for

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Speaker 8: I feel a draft when the Indiana Hoosiers fell to

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Speaker 8: who drafted Isaac at what number five?

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Speaker 3: So yeah, there you go. It'll be a reference point

536
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Speaker 3: for history.

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Speaker 2: For the end of time. Oh, that's the same.

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Speaker 3: It was very much the same.

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Speaker 4: It was just.

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Speaker 3: It was two full days of like what are we

541
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Speaker 3: all missing? Cause again, the floor was okay, no matter

542
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Speaker 3: what happens, the Steelers will be taking him. And I

543
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Speaker 3: believe that the pick was twenty one, and I think

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Speaker 3: there was thought could he go to New Orleans? Could

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Speaker 3: he go to the Browns? And number three, number four

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Speaker 3: whatever they were drafting, And so all night Thursday was

547
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Speaker 3: like what happened, But the presumption was I think the

548
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Speaker 3: presumption was he's gonna be like the first guy drafted

549
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Speaker 3: on Friday. Somebody's gonna trade up for him. Nobody drafts

550
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 3: some Thursday or Friday. Again, I'm stealing the mic, or

551
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 3: nobody drafts some Friday all day in the second and

552
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Speaker 3: third round. But just surreal in the moment and to

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Speaker 3: your guys point ramifications throughout.

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Speaker 6: Agreed.

555
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Speaker 2: I just want to before we get to Sam and Isaac,

556
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Speaker 2: it was a boring draft heading into it. Yep, it

557
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 2: really was, and it was the only story of the draft,

558
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 2: Like there were there were just weren't really many storylines

559
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 2: to follow outside of him. And then he carried the

560
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Speaker 2: entire weekend. Poor Cam word, Isaac, Sam, Isaac, what do

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Speaker 2: you got?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm gonna go with October twenty third, and that

563
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Speaker 9: was the morning where the FEDS crashed in and took

564
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Speaker 9: into custody a sitting NBA head coach in shaunby Phillips. Yeah,

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Speaker 9: and Terry Rosier of the Miami Heat. You know, I think,

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Speaker 9: in of itself as individual cases, it was enormous news,

567
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Speaker 9: but I think it was sort of a signature moment

568
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Speaker 9: in what the future potential has in store in the

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Speaker 9: relationship between sports and gambling. And I think it's gonna

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Speaker 9: go either one of two ways. Either there's going to

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Speaker 9: be an even bigger scandal down the road with people

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Speaker 9: getting busted for directly influencing sporting events a llah the

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Speaker 9: Black Sox scandal in nineteen nineteen. Or and I hope

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Speaker 9: this is the case, but I don't necessarily think it's

575
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Speaker 9: going to be the case. It'll wise up people in sports,

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Speaker 9: players and coaches to not get involved in gambling because

577
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Speaker 9: you know you're gonna get busted. I doubt it's going

578
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Speaker 9: to be that, but I at least hope it's going

579
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Speaker 9: to be that. But I think that was really a

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Speaker 9: red letter day October twenty third.

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Speaker 2: Great So when the Jontay Porter stuff came out last year,

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Speaker 2: it was like, okay, whatever. When I saw Terry Rosier

583
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Speaker 2: fake like he was he was faking the injury, like

584
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Speaker 2: you could see him on the bench pretending to rub

585
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Speaker 2: his calf in ankle from the game that he ended

586
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Speaker 2: up you know, ducking out of in twenty twenty three.

587
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Speaker 2: To see the video of how he was trying. When

588
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Speaker 2: have you ever seen an injured NBA player rubbed their

589
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 2: injury during a game right like never. They're either in

590
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Speaker 2: the locker room, they're getting checked out by trainers, their

591
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 2: foot's isolated, it's wrapped up. But he was trying to

592
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Speaker 2: sell it so much that he was pretending to tend

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Speaker 2: to his own ankle on the bench of the game

594
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Speaker 2: that he tried to fix for his friends.

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Speaker 9: Looked like my third grader when he was trying to

596
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Speaker 9: get out of school. My tummy hurts, my throat hurts.

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Speaker 4: I think that's funny that Isaac brings that up, because

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Speaker 4: I think I have mixed feelings on that being a

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Speaker 4: memorable story in that I don't think it was memorable enough.

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Speaker 4: In other words, it was a part the news cycle.

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Speaker 4: It was definitely a part of our world. But I

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Speaker 4: think because everyone is so bought and sold by gambling companies,

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Speaker 4: I don't think enough attention has been I think a

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Speaker 4: lot of people wanted to go away. I think, you know,

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Speaker 4: Sports Center would be like, yeah, no update on the

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Speaker 4: Terry Rogier situation. This segment brought to you by FanDuel.

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Speaker 9: And that literally happened while they were discussing the story

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Speaker 9: that the lower third graphic was a gambling advertisement.

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Speaker 3: It did happen. I mean, to your point, Jay stew

610
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Speaker 3: sitting NBA head coach giving out information on players who

611
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 3: are not gonna play is a huge deal. And I

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Speaker 3: still don't think And by the way, it was also

613
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Speaker 3: Chauncey Billups, mister big shot, like wholesome, you know, nicest

614
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 3: literally has a one hundred percent approval rating. Oh yeah,

615
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 3: he's playing in underground gambling rings with secret card stashes.

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Speaker 3: And I agree with you. I actually felt like it

617
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Speaker 3: wasn't discussed enough, not to say that it wasn't memorable,

618
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Speaker 3: but just not discussed enough.

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Speaker 2: So y, I'll say it.

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Speaker 8: Let's go back to February ninth of this year. It

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Speaker 8: maybe is true that the Philadelphia Eagles did kill the

622
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Speaker 8: Kansas City Chiefs. Now, I know a lot of things

623
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Speaker 8: played into the Chief's demise, aging veterans, you know, maybe

624
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 8: not enough skill position players of quality. But that forty

625
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 8: to twenty two route by the Eagles, which nobody saw coming,

626
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Speaker 8: it just it. It took the Chiefs down another level

627
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Speaker 8: and it signified that the Chiefs were just not the

628
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Speaker 8: same team that they were in the past, you know,

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Speaker 8: seven to ten years. It's the peak of the Chiefs.

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Speaker 8: You were not seeing them get routed like that, You

631
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Speaker 8: just weren't. You were seeing them get getting a lot

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Speaker 8: of wins in close one possession games, the ball bouncing

633
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Speaker 8: their way. But today, but that day, that Sunday in February,

634
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 8: the Eagles just took it all out on the Chiefs.

635
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Speaker 8: And this year the rest of the ball of yarn

636
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 8: just completely unwound it and it was capped by you know,

637
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Speaker 8: Patrick Mahomes's season ending injury just this past Sunday. So

638
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 8: perhaps the demise of the Chiefs started all the way

639
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Speaker 8: back at Super Bowl fifty nine in February, and we're

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Speaker 8: seeing them completely bottom out right now.

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Speaker 3: I think it was a preview of the symptoms that

642
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Speaker 3: would come this year. I totally agree. That's a good

643
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Speaker 3: way to put it.

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Speaker 4: Question for you guys, what do you think resonated more

645
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Speaker 4: in this country from February ninth, the Eagles dismantling of

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Speaker 4: the Chiefs to win the Super Bowl or the kenro

647
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Speaker 4: Guemar performance.

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Speaker 8: That's actually a good question, because his performance did make

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Speaker 8: a lot of a lot of waves.

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Speaker 2: I think now the game does, but the performance had

651
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Speaker 2: a lot more in the short term afterwards, which I

652
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Speaker 2: did not expect. But now as we look at the Chiefs,

653
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Speaker 2: as we look at heck even the Eagles, but really

654
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Speaker 2: from the Chiefs, I think the game has more of

655
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Speaker 2: the lasting of it.

656
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Speaker 9: I think the Janet Jackson justin Timberlake might have had

657
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Speaker 9: a different answer back in the day, even though that

658
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Speaker 9: was a game that was decided at a last second

659
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Speaker 9: field goal.

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Speaker 4: I don't remember that part. Yeah, that last part I

661
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Speaker 4: don't remember.

662
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Speaker 9: YouTube and off company time.

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Speaker 4: I do know the Janet Jackson changed the industry. So,

664
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Speaker 4: speaking of music fellas, this song really took off. And

665
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Speaker 4: here's an interesting tidbit that I just read on Wikipedia.

666
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Speaker 4: There is a hip hop artist named what's her name

667
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Speaker 4: Chappelle ron Apple ron chaperone.

668
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Speaker 9: Isn't that where North Carolina?

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Speaker 6: Tarios?

670
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Speaker 4: Nevermind? She did you call her hip hop artist?

671
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Speaker 6: Uh?

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Speaker 2: It was?

673
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Speaker 4: She a pop song pop singer? Yeah, okay, cool. I

674
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Speaker 4: don't think she raps. I obviously know a lot about this.

675
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 4: And she did a song back in twenty twenty and

676
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Speaker 4: it kind of went it kind of went nowhere, and

677
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 4: then she performed it at the Grammys this year, and

678
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Speaker 4: then it just became the biggest song of twenty twenty five.

679
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 4: And it goes something like this. Pink Pony Club was

680
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Speaker 4: at the top of the charts for sixteen weeks of

681
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Speaker 4: twenty twenty five. I think each of our ages takes

682
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Speaker 4: us out of the demographic of the people that loved

683
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Speaker 4: this song, but I could be wrong. Dan Byer always

684
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Speaker 4: surprises me with his music tastes. Did anybody here have

685
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 4: an experience with Pink Pony Club this year?

686
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Speaker 2: I did.

687
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 4: It started out thirty seconds ago.

688
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Speaker 6: You know what.

689
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Speaker 2: I I did not know this song when it came out,

690
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 2: but through whether it be you know whatever, how it

691
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 2: became popular. I had heard the song, my wife knew

692
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 2: the song. I remember most about those and I'm using

693
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 2: air quotes here. The journalists that were on a red

694
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 2: carpet and they were talking to Babyface and one of

695
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 2: the girls completely just interrupted the interview and was like,

696
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, just chapel erone, get Chapel roone. And

697
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 2: Babyface was totally disrespected from this, and these idiot reporters

698
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 2: completely disrespected him. Later I had to apologize for it,

699
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 2: but I'm like, really, you're gonna diss Babyface for Chapel Roone.

700
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 2: It just didn't make any sense to me.

701
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 3: This song is about as memorable to me as Chaulnsey

702
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 3: Phillips getting arrested on a Tuesday in October.

703
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 8: So I do know it was a big song because

704
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 8: during the Stanley Cup playoffs or maybe it was the

705
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 8: Stanley Cup Finals, the song was brought up by the

706
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 8: panelists between periods, like Wayne Gretzky was there and then

707
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 8: the three or four other guys with him, someone brought

708
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 8: up the song, and I'm like, Okay, I know this

709
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,720
Speaker 8: is a big song because it has pervaded the panel

710
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 8: of NHL talking heads.

711
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Speaker 3: That's how big it is.

712
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 2: It was very popular.

713
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Speaker 4: Now, I don't think there. I don't think that there

714
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Speaker 4: is a movie person in this group besides Sam and I.

715
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,919
Speaker 4: So I'm going to skip that and go right to

716
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 4: what the the largest or the most binged TV series

717
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 4: was of the year. And you guys tell me if

718
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 4: any of these resonate with you. Okay, White Lotus, I

719
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 4: think it was his third season of White Lotus, second

720
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 4: season of Severance that hit really big. A show called

721
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 4: The Pit on Max the former lead and er is

722
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Speaker 4: one that I forget his name, something Noah Noah Wiley

723
00:37:53,520 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 4: maybe or something like that Alien Alien Earth and Squid

724
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Speaker 4: Game the second season. Do you guys remember any of those?

725
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 4: Did you have? We all binge those?

726
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 2: I'm an over on those shows.

727
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 8: Actually i'm too so wow ouch. I was told White

728
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 8: Lotus was so good.

729
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Speaker 3: So I started from the beginning, and about one and

730
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Speaker 3: a half episodes in of season one, I was like,

731
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Speaker 3: I'm out. This is totally uninteresting.

732
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Speaker 4: It takes a lot of patience. It's slow moving. Yeah,

733
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Speaker 4: I can see where you could do that. Darn. So

734
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 4: you guys didn't watch TV or go to the movies.

735
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 4: So we we just did a lot of sports and

736
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Speaker 4: didn't listen to uh to Pink? Was that Pink? Babylon?

737
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Speaker 2: Was that all? I don't want to speak for Isaac,

738
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 2: and I know I can't speak for Aaron, and.

739
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 9: Actually, you know what, you can't speak for me in

740
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Speaker 9: this case. I trust you.

741
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Speaker 2: Since having a child, in an Isaac's case children, my

742
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:54,959
Speaker 2: TV viewing hierarchy is now really only sports. Like if

743
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 2: I'm not watching sports for a game or a pregame

744
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:05,760
Speaker 2: or a draft, I am at the mercy of the family.

745
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 3: He nailed it.

746
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,760
Speaker 9: Unless Peppa Peg and Blippy qualify there.

747
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, same thing.

748
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Speaker 4: Blue.

749
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Speaker 8: It's either blue or the blue Jays, you know, you know,

750
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 8: whatever might be Toronto Bluies, Toronto Bluies. Sure, it really has,

751
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 8: and I was not. I knew that there would be adjustments.

752
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 8: I knew that there would be school events on nights

753
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 8: of their sporting events, but I did not realize on

754
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Speaker 8: how much it would take a part of TV viewing,

755
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 8: of sitting back and catching up on a show or

756
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 8: watching a show, or to be able to follow along

757
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,479
Speaker 8: with that binging show. It is something that truly truly missed.

758
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 8: I've said it on this show. The only show that

759
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 8: me and my wife watch at its normal time is Survivor.

760
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Speaker 8: Last night was a finale and she crashed out at

761
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Speaker 8: like eight thirty, so thirty minutes in, that's that's where

762
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Speaker 8: we were.

763
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Speaker 3: It's tough, crashed out.

764
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Speaker 8: Nice use of twenty twenty five gen Z Lingo.

765
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Speaker 2: Man, it was cinema. It was true and that's don't

766
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Speaker 2: call it a throwback.

767
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Speaker 5: Don't call it a throwback. Fox Sports Radio had the

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Speaker 2: A guy who's not going to go on strike because

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Speaker 2: he's always working in the NFL season. Is Adam Kaplan

773
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Speaker 2: joining us now host of the Inside the Birds podcast,

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Speaker 2: our NFL Inside or find him on Kaplan on ex

775
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Speaker 2: at Kaplin NFL also on Sports Credit. All Right, Adam,

776
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 2: we were just talking about the Tua situation in Miami.

777
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Speaker 2: I think that the Dolphins are taking a convenient approach

778
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 2: to pour everything on Tua when they're trying to lose games.

779
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:54,919
Speaker 2: Why did they turn to Quin Yours and not Zach

780
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Speaker 2: Wilson in this situation.

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Speaker 10: Well, because Quinn Yours was drafted by them, and Quinn

782
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Speaker 10: Yours is a guy I know for fact they had

783
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Speaker 10: a higher grade on than he was drafted. And when

784
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 10: you're eliminated, the term is evaluation mode. They're an evaluation

785
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 10: mode that they don't need to valuate Zach Wilson.

786
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Speaker 6: They know what he is.

787
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Speaker 10: And it's actually a very simple decision for them that

788
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 10: they were cut.

789
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Speaker 2: The way I.

790
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 10: Understand it is they got progressively fed ups. Not a

791
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 10: straw is not a fair word. They they got frustrated

792
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 10: with with Toua. And remember that the general manager drafting

793
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 10: was fired, Chris Greer, and they have no allegiance to

794
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 10: the player now. Unfortunately, because his contract structure it's gonna

795
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 10: be very hard to trade. It's just they're gonna almost

796
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 10: certainly have to eat some of the money of the

797
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 10: the fifty four million that's fully guaranteed next season, and

798
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 10: there's a there's some trigger points for future seasons, so

799
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Speaker 10: they're gonna have They're gonna have to They're gonna basically

800
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 10: have to move on from them one way or the other.

801
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 10: The last thing they want to do is cut them

802
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 10: because they're gonna own that money. But sure, if fact

803
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 10: the matter is, guys, it hasn't worked, and yours is

804
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 10: a guy that dropped in the draft, had a big

805
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 10: injury history unfortunately.

806
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 6: But I know for a fact that they're.

807
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Speaker 10: Very high on this player and they're gonna want to

808
00:41:58,320 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 10: take a look at him because there's there's nothing to

809
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 10: play for other than evaluation.

810
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I understand that portion of it, But what

811
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 2: does it say about the NFL? What does they even

812
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 2: say about the Dolphins? Like if Tua was so bad,

813
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 2: why don't they go to Zach Wilson earlier while they

814
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 2: still had like playoff hopes. That's the point that I that's.

815
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Speaker 10: Harder because they're on a roll because remember they Dan

816
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 10: they kind of sort of turn their season around, right, Yeah,

817
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 10: I know last week was bad, but they started to

818
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 10: getting you know, they got they won four in a

819
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 10: row with that quarterback and with tuas So and they

820
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 10: had a bit huge win where they blow out Buffalo,

821
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 10: which was shocking.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's why their messaging Adam doesn't make any

823
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 2: sense like it does, but it doesn't. And I just

824
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 2: I feel like they're really doing to a dirty by

825
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 2: piling this all on him. McDaniel's words after the game,

826
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Speaker 2: we have to evaluate the courterd Yeah, I was just

827
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 2: gonna say the evaluating of the quarterback portion of it.

828
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 2: To me, it was just it's easy because everybody piles

829
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 2: onto it. And I just feel that it's unfair to

830
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Speaker 2: him that the Dolphins are doing this when they have

831
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,760
Speaker 2: ulterior motives in all of this, including to your point

832
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 2: the evaluation period, which I don't think is lost on anybody.

833
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 2: But it's also then reflects on where are we in

834
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 2: the NFL. If teams are just throwing away weeks at

835
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 2: the end of the season and you know in week sixteen,

836
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 2: like I'd get Week seventeen and week eighteen, but you know,

837
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 2: come on, I just don't like it.

838
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Speaker 6: I would add to this. So when Mike McDaniel after the.

839
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Speaker 10: If the press conference if they lost the Steelers, I mean,

840
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:27,760
Speaker 10: he was asked the direct question.

841
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 6: Is too, is still your starter?

842
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 10: And he could have said, yeah, he's our starter, but

843
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 10: he's got a play better we have when we have

844
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 10: to coach better, which is the typical coach speak. He

845
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 10: didn't say that. It's like we're evaluating everything. I was like, Wow,

846
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 10: he didn't back him. That's not good. That when you

847
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 10: have a chance to back him after a loss and

848
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 10: you don't, you're opening a major cannon worm. So on

849
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Speaker 10: your point, Dan, that's where it really started. But I

850
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 10: know behind the scenes they've been frustrated because he's never

851
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 10: really been able to play consistently good enough football. I

852
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 10: know they've been in the playoffs with him but really

853
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 10: never advanced at all. And the GM who decided to

854
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 10: take him over justin Herbert was fine.

855
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 6: And that's you know, that's kind of where it is.

856
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 3: Let me ask you a dumb question, Adam. The presumption

857
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 3: then would be that they would draft a quarterback. And

858
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Speaker 3: the only reason I ask is because it feels like

859
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,240
Speaker 3: there aren't. It does feel like a great quarterback draft.

860
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Speaker 3: And then on top of it, they're obviously not going

861
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 3: to be in position to get the one to two

862
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,760
Speaker 3: guys that people believe are difference makers. But they would still,

863
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 3: you know, hope to find the right guy at pick twelve,

864
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 3: thirteen fourteen, wherever they end up drafting.

865
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Speaker 6: Well, we don't know about that.

866
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 10: We don't know anything about the draft yet because the

867
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 10: terms of who's available that that'll we won't know until

868
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Speaker 10: January fifteenth, when is the the unaclassman can declare. So

869
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 10: that's off the table for now. What they can do,

870
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 10: and everything I've been told is that mac Jones is

871
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 10: going to have a very big market. There'll be multiple

872
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 10: teams involved. He his tape was really good filling in now.

873
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 10: They could take that on your on your point your question, Aaron,

874
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 10: they could take that route, the free agent route, but

875
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 10: the free agent group overall is bad. They could trade

876
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 10: the trade route. Kirk Cousins could still plays look better lately,

877
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 10: but that he's got to big cash number that's unattenable.

878
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 10: You're not gonna want to take his contract and he's overplayer,

879
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 10: and then you look to see who's released trademarket or

880
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 10: draft as you're pointing out, But we have to see

881
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 10: who comes available first. They're in a tough way, there's

882
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 10: no question. It just depends on what the draft looks like.

883
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,959
Speaker 10: On the surface of terms of upper senior class, it's bad,

884
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 10: but underclassmen it looks like it's got a chance to

885
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:25,720
Speaker 10: be good depending on who declares.

886
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 2: Adam Kaplan our NFL in sid are joining us here

887
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 2: on Fox Sports Radio. He's here in Torres. I'm Dan

888
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 2: Byer in for Doug Gottlieb today on Fox Sports Radio.

889
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 2: What about the Joe Burrow situation because he hasn't been

890
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 2: helping himself over the last couple of year. He's frustrated

891
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 2: talking about retirement. So is he frustrated with the Bengals.

892
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 2: He's just frustrated with football. What's the deal.

893
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 10: With Burrow losing? No, he's frustrated with losing. I know

894
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 10: I have a decent insight on what's going on there.

895
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 10: He's frustrated that they can't win. He's never going to

896
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 10: say anything about their defense. Their defense most weeks is

897
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 10: non competitive.

898
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 6: It was terrible.

899
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 10: It was actually worse last season under lou Ana Roumos

900
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 10: doing a good job with the Colts. And this is

901
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 10: I remember, you know, I don't know if I told

902
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 10: you this when I talked to Carl Pickens, the former

903
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 10: Bengals receiver who forfeited part of his signing bonus his

904
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 10: last contract because he asked out, he wanted out, he

905
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 10: didn't care. He just couldn't take coming in the building anymore,

906
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 10: and he would he would end his career with the Titans.

907
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 10: But it's tough, man. It's tough when you know you

908
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 10: don't have a chance to win. This is what Carl

909
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 10: told me. It's really hard to go into work and

910
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,760
Speaker 10: he's frustrated they're not trading him. Like the trade deadline.

911
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 10: I mean they'd be able to trade is in March,

912
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 10: in the middle of March. But Aaron just talked about it.

913
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 10: I mean, it's just we were talking about this a

914
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 10: minute ago. That quarterback fore agent class isn't very good.

915
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 10: Other than Mac Jones, there's really nowhere to go. And

916
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 10: what I felt when they resigned to Higgins, I was

917
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 10: really surprised by that. Not that he's a good player,

918
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 10: but you're putting a resources totally on offense and the

919
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 10: a they don't draft well on defense well enough, they've

920
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 10: done awfully in free agency and on defense, and they

921
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 10: have a bad roster. That's on defense. They have a

922
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 10: really bad roster Dan and it's hard. It's hard to

923
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 10: get out of that, and you can't do it one year,

924
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 10: by the way, it takes some time.

925
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Speaker 3: Let me ask you about another quarterback, Patrick Mahomes obviously

926
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 3: very unfortunately.

927
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I was gonna.

928
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 3: Ask you know, he he obviously he's a competitor and

929
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 3: he's great at what he does, and he says he

930
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 3: wants to be back week one. But we can see

931
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 3: that this Chiefs team has a lot of work to do.

932
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 3: Like one, I don't even know. I'm not asking any

933
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 3: play doctor here, but does it make sense to just

934
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 3: almost use next year as kind of a reset year?

935
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 3: I know, with Andy Reid you're never gonna really bottom out.

936
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 6: But yeah, they're not gonna do that. But yeah, well.

937
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 3: Go ahead explain why they wouldn't.

938
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 10: They're not they don't think they're in the rebuild. But

939
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 10: I would tell you if everyone I've talked.

940
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 6: To in the last two three weeks.

941
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 10: I do radio every Thursday on WHB in Kent City,

942
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 10: and you know, we actually spend twenty minutes on this today.

943
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 10: My whole segment was based on this, what do they

944
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 10: do next year. The roster's not very good, I think

945
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 10: comparatively to what it's been. Their offensive line was not

946
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 10: as good as they thought it would be. They spent

947
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 10: a lot of resources on it. It didn't work out.

948
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 6: Uh.

949
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 10: The one thing, one of the things I was told

950
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 10: Aaron going to the season, they wanted to bring back

951
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 10: vertical passing game.

952
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 6: This is a big thing for them.

953
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 10: Never happened with Hollywood Brown and Worthy who they you know,

954
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 10: they made the trade in last year's draft to gill

955
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 10: get him with Buffalo, believe or not, of all of

956
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 10: all teams to make a trade with and that has

957
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 10: not worked out yet. He's been okay, but they're not

958
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 10: getting the explosives with him. Their defense they lack pass rushers,

959
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 10: really not very good. Their cornerback group other than McDuffie's

960
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 10: really bottom five. The roster guys, I mean, it's just

961
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,280
Speaker 10: not good enough. It's a it's a probably a bottom

962
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 10: half of the NFL roster, believe it or not, despite

963
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 10: them making the super Bowl last season, and they also

964
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 10: have gotten older, and Aaron, it's a it's a. They

965
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 10: don't run the ball well, by the way, average per

966
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 10: play is not good. They're they're they're actually outside the

967
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 10: top ten. The season they were in top three, and

968
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 10: yards per play is one of the one of the

969
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 10: evaluation numbers at the clubs used through six years there

970
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 10: were no less, no lower than top three. So everything's

971
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 10: dropped off. Guys, Yeah, this is this is not good.

972
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 10: They what they need is a major retool. And John

973
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 10: Schneider the GM told me that one when why had

974
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 10: asked him in his office many years ago. We were

975
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,439
Speaker 10: sitting down and talking about football and everything and said, hey,

976
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 10: you know, I don't know you got this is after

977
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 10: legion of boom. You guys need a rebuild. It goes No,

978
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 10: we don't believe that. We believe in retooling the roster

979
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,439
Speaker 10: while trying to win, and that's that's what the cheeps

980
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 10: are going to try to do here.

981
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 2: Well, Seahawks are playing their biggest game, I think in

982
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 2: since Super Bowl forty nine tonight against the ramsh Just

983
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 2: a side note there, Adam Kaplan joining us here on

984
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio. It's going to have so much to

985
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 2: say with the NFC. But I want to ask you

986
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 2: about something that you just said to Aaron. And don't

987
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 2: mean to put you on the spot, but I think

988
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 2: it's we look at the NFL when you talk about

989
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 2: best rosters available, the Eagles were always the team for

990
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 2: best roster in the NFL, the Philadelphia Eagles. If Philadelphia

991
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 2: is the best in the league and best in the NFC,

992
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 2: and it's not the Chiefs, And I know Buffalo is

993
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 2: complaining about their roster and what they have her own

994
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 2: Josh Allen in the AFC, who has the best roster

995
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 2: in that conference?

996
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 6: Oh boy?

997
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 10: Because the NFC player for the first time. Yeah, well,

998
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,439
Speaker 10: I would say Denver. And as a matter of fact,

999
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,919
Speaker 10: with Denver, their offensive talent is way better than their

1000
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 10: like their numbers would show. And obviously both bo Nix

1001
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 10: has been up and down. Yeah they do. I would

1002
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 10: say that without a shadow of doubt.

1003
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 6: They do.

1004
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 10: And they've got the best and Sean I mean, I

1005
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 10: mean when you look at Sean Payton, he's done a

1006
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 10: phenomenal job there.

1007
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 6: Yeah, Denver has the best roster now.

1008
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 10: And not only that, I would say in the National

1009
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 10: Football League Green Bay, you take Michael Parsons out there,

1010
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 10: out of there, the equation, it's completely different. They're not

1011
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 10: a lock to make the playoffs. They should make it,

1012
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 10: but they're not a lock. Philly is their roster's not

1013
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 10: close to last year they had. They lost five starters

1014
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 10: on defense.

1015
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,720
Speaker 6: And it's although although they've kind of retooled.

1016
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 10: They the trade deadline move and Jalien Phillips has been

1017
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 10: really good and they're now poised probably to make our

1018
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 10: a little bit of a run here.

1019
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:06,919
Speaker 6: Their schedules really good.

1020
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 10: But it's Sky's I'm telling you, and you're a Seahawks fan.

1021
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 10: Dan Sam Darnald doesn't implode, and I know he had

1022
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 10: four picks the last time they played the Rams, but

1023
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 10: they should be a little bit better on offense. You

1024
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 10: would expect him. If Sam doesn't implode, they're capable to

1025
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 10: make a run for the NFC. This is a good

1026
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 10: year just to get in.

1027
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, and tonight is so much implications and it's not

1028
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 2: done if the Seahawks were to win. But if the

1029
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 2: Rams win this, the Rams are in a really, really

1030
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 2: good spot over the final two weeks of the season.

1031
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 2: So all right, Adam, we appreciate the time. Can't wait

1032
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,239
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1033
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1034
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Speaker 1: Coward, pressured by a double team, now jumps into Jackson.

1044
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 3: Jackson drives the baseline running right hand floater. That's the

1045
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Speaker 3: icing on the cake right there, baby.

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Speaker 2: That was the Memphis Grizzlies topping the Minnesota Timberwolves on

1047
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Speaker 2: the Grizzlies Radio Network one sixteen to won ten in

1048
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Speaker 2: w in action last night as the Grizzlies end up

1049
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1050
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 2: I'm Dan Byer. I do think tonight's game is the

1051
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 2: biggest for the Seahawks since Russell Wilson threw the interception

1052
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 2: to Malcolm Butler on the one yard line. There there

1053
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 2: were years and even Adams said that John Schneider and

1054
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 2: the Seahawks were in this reload mode but they were

1055
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 2: never the contender that they were. There was a game

1056
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 2: about six years ago where they played the forty nine

1057
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 2: Ers in the final week of the season, and if

1058
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 2: the Seahawks won, the forty nine Ers wouldn't have been

1059
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 2: the number one seed. But it doesn't mean that the

1060
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 2: Seahawks would have been the number one overall seed. That

1061
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 2: would have gone to Green Bay. But if you win tonight,

1062
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 2: it really opens things up in the NFC wist the

1063
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 2: forty nine Ers would have life the Seahawks in forty

1064
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 2: nine ers are on a have a date in week eighteen,

1065
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 2: but a huge, huge game in the NFL tonight with

1066
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 2: the Rams and Seahawks.

1067
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Speaker 3: Yeah, all I'll say really quick is knowing this game

1068
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 3: was this evening, I was excited to be working with

1069
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Speaker 3: you today, knowing your history with the Seattle Seahawks. My

1070
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,240
Speaker 3: only real take. So I have been a Sam Donald

1071
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 3: critic for most of his career, right up until that

1072
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 3: Sunday night game against the Commanders a few weeks ago,

1073
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 3: when every time I looked up, guys were running eighty

1074
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 3: yards down the sideline untouched, and I was like, this

1075
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,399
Speaker 3: team's awesome. They're fun to watch, And so I got

1076
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 3: really into the Seahawks and started believing in Sam Donald.

1077
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 3: And then, to Adam's point, he had the disastrous game

1078
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,359
Speaker 3: a few weeks ago. At so far, so I'm excited.

1079
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Speaker 3: I'm cautiously out domistic. Adam brought up Sam Donald's, you know,

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Speaker 3: lack of success in these super high profile games, even

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Speaker 3: though he has had a lot of regular season success

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Speaker 3: the last few years. So as somebody with kind of

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Speaker 3: no skin in the game, I'm just excited to watch

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Speaker 3: see if Sam Donald can get that pseudo monkey off

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Speaker 3: his back, pick up a big win, and then to

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Speaker 3: your point, if he does, everything's on the table, from

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Speaker 3: a number one seed, a deep playoff runt, all that

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Speaker 3: good stuff.

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Speaker 2: He is Aaron Torres. I'm Dan byer in for Doug Gottlieb. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Week sixteen, kicking off tonight in Seattle between these Seahawks

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Speaker 2: and the Rams.