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Speaker 1: On the Bobby Bones Show. Now, I think I saw

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Speaker 1: in your Instagram you're opening for Sam Hunt this past weekend. M. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what's the difference for you as far as your your

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Speaker 1: so much easier to open these days. There's it's just

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Speaker 1: or less than that sometimes for me, but it's they're

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Speaker 1: there for you. So it's just a different a little

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Speaker 1: I don't get nervous. It's the shorter set. It's usually

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Speaker 1: to us. I toured with We toured with him on

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Speaker 1: I got to see Sam and Thomas this last week,

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Speaker 1: so that was really cool. But it's just a it's

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a different mindset. But there's also

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Speaker 1: can absolutely go headline your own shows and you have

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Speaker 1: But you're also you can make pretty decent chunk of

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Speaker 1: play it. I was talking to Dan and Shakes there

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Speaker 1: it's it's a different It's nice to switch it up,

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Speaker 1: like switch your days up too, because at some point

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Speaker 1: change of pace. When do you get tired, meaning in

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Speaker 1: Like getting home at seven am, getting to have a

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