WEBVTT - Ep. 113: Hunting Idaho Whitetails

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Dirk Durham and at this recording date it's November twentieth,

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<v Speaker 1>arguably my favorite time to hunt mountain white tails. With

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<v Speaker 1>snowflakes dropping in the higher of elevations, I'm packing my

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<v Speaker 1>bags to head up and try a little luck at

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<v Speaker 1>tagging a big buck. After Jason Phelps talked about Kansas

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<v Speaker 1>hunting on last week's episode, I wanted to compare and

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<v Speaker 1>contrast my experienced rival hunting those same type of deer

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<v Speaker 1>in Idaho. Now, as all you know, I love archery,

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<v Speaker 1>elk hunting, and to be honest, all elk cunning. But

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<v Speaker 1>what you probably don't know is whitetail hunting was my

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<v Speaker 1>very first love, hunting white tails from twelve years old

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<v Speaker 1>with my dad. Looked a lot different at age thirteen,

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<v Speaker 1>and then a lot different today. Back then, it was

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<v Speaker 1>all big timber deer hunting, much zero clear cuts. At

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<v Speaker 1>least where I began hunting. This was state land, private timberland,

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<v Speaker 1>and sometimes private property. Sometimes I'd get permission from these

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<v Speaker 1>local farmers who I worked for in the summertime putting

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<v Speaker 1>up hay and come fall, you know, I'd ask him

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<v Speaker 1>if I could hunt, and they would say, oh, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>because farmers, most farmers, they want to trim down the

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<v Speaker 1>deer herd and the elk hurd as much as they can. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>twelve year old me hunting, was riding around in the

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<v Speaker 1>truck with my dad all day looking for deer, hoping

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<v Speaker 1>one wouldn't magically appear. But man, did they ever appear.

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<v Speaker 1>There were deer everywhere back then. It was crazy. You

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have to drive very long and you would see

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<v Speaker 1>a deer run across the road or be standing next

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<v Speaker 1>to the road. But the funny part was they were

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<v Speaker 1>almost impossible to get right, you know, by the time

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<v Speaker 1>you'd get out, run off the side of the road

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<v Speaker 1>and run out in the brush, you'd try to get one,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were always gone. And so I kind of

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<v Speaker 1>made a decision. Thirteen year old me had had enough

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<v Speaker 1>road hunting that very first year. Every deer we saw

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<v Speaker 1>it was on high alert and running. So I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to shoot a deer more than anything in the world,

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<v Speaker 1>and I knew doing it from a truck was definitely

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<v Speaker 1>not the way I was going to get it done.

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<v Speaker 1>So honestly, I think I think my dad he hoped

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't get a deer. I think he was just

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<v Speaker 1>just out enjoying the fallwoods, you know, taking in all

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<v Speaker 1>the sites, all the pretty all the pretty fall colors,

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<v Speaker 1>and driving around, sipping on coffee, having a candy bar.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. It was that kind of a kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a vibe, and I think he was just out there

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<v Speaker 1>enjoying it. I feel like he had zero intention of

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<v Speaker 1>actually getting a deer back then. So at thirteen, I

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<v Speaker 1>made the decision that I wanted to get out of

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<v Speaker 1>the truck and I wanted to hunt hunt deer. I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to get in the woods on foot and find

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<v Speaker 1>find a big buck. So I'd have my mom or

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<v Speaker 1>my dad dropped me off in the woods for a

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<v Speaker 1>morning hunt or an evening hunt, and then meet back

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<v Speaker 1>where they dropped me. And this may be, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they may drop me thirty minutes before first light and

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<v Speaker 1>pick me up later on that morning. They may drop

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<v Speaker 1>me off right after school, and I'd hunt till dark,

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<v Speaker 1>a little after dark. In fact, most most of the time,

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<v Speaker 1>I would hunt every single day before school until I

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<v Speaker 1>got my deer. I'd go out for an hour or two,

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<v Speaker 1>just get out there my mom. Sometimes my mom would

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<v Speaker 1>go with me my dad. He was just like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's cold out, I'm not into it. I think he

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<v Speaker 1>was pretty much over it by that time. I think

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<v Speaker 1>he'd go, if we want to drive around, but he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want to. He called it beating the brush. He's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna get out there and beat the brush.

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<v Speaker 1>He's he always he always thought if you beat the brush,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna just spook the hero over to someone else.

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<v Speaker 1>So he didn't want to do that. So today hunting

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<v Speaker 1>looks completely different. There's virtually no big timber. There's clear

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<v Speaker 1>cuts everywhere on state and timberland. There's a little and

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<v Speaker 1>some of the private stuff is not cut up so bad.

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<v Speaker 1>But a lot of those farmers, you know, they that

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<v Speaker 1>I used to go hunt on their place, then they've

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<v Speaker 1>long since retired or passed on. So it's definitely a

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<v Speaker 1>different game these days. And i'd say there's there's less

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<v Speaker 1>deer today too, And I attribute to a couple things

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<v Speaker 1>that dominate those things. But some of the things I'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk about before I tell you what I think the

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<v Speaker 1>key key things are is predators. Predators are taking their

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<v Speaker 1>fair shared deer, that's for sure. You know, back in

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<v Speaker 1>the early or in the eighties and nineties, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>mountain lions and coyotes were thick in Idaho and they

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<v Speaker 1>I think they took their fair shared deer, but I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think coyotes had the population like they do today

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<v Speaker 1>in my opinion. Today today, wolves and coyotes probably doing

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<v Speaker 1>most of damage. There's still some lions out there, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think the wolves and the coyotes are taking down

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<v Speaker 1>the larger numbers. For one, coyotes, there's just no market

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<v Speaker 1>on their fur these days, and nobody's really trapping coyotes

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<v Speaker 1>in a large scale like they used to do. There

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<v Speaker 1>was a lot of guys just out trapping a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of coyotes back in the day, putting a pretty good

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<v Speaker 1>dent in their population, but we just don't see that

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<v Speaker 1>as much today. The hides are hardly worth a thing,

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<v Speaker 1>which is unfortunate because it really helps with, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>creating some balance out there. Another thing to think about

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<v Speaker 1>is disease. You know, when as a kid, we'd never

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<v Speaker 1>had any disease to speak of. They we'd never had

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<v Speaker 1>any blue tongue, we never had any EHD come through,

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<v Speaker 1>and then in the nineties we saw our first first

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<v Speaker 1>cases of that. It seemed like we had more droughts

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<v Speaker 1>during the mid to late nineties and we had some

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<v Speaker 1>pretty substantial die offs where you know, we lost like

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<v Speaker 1>eighty to ninety percent of the deer in some spots.

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<v Speaker 1>And today, you know, continue through the last you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you look at the last decade, the last two decades,

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<v Speaker 1>you know we've had I have had quite a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of drought and we've had a few more HD and

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<v Speaker 1>blue tongue die offs. So that definitely does put a

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<v Speaker 1>put a nail in the coffin on some of these

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<v Speaker 1>deer herds. But they seem to bounce back after a

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<v Speaker 1>few years and you start getting your deer herd built

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<v Speaker 1>up again after a few years. But my personal opinion

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<v Speaker 1>on one of the main the main culprits is too

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<v Speaker 1>many tags and habitat loss. I'd like to say, first

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred percent, I support logging in the timber industry,

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<v Speaker 1>but with the massive clear cuts that have removed security

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<v Speaker 1>cover for the deer and also an abundance of deer

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<v Speaker 1>tags for residents and non residents alike, it's really taking

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<v Speaker 1>its toll. I'll say the herds are starting to slowly

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<v Speaker 1>look better as the clear cuts are starting to grow

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<v Speaker 1>up a little bit and offer more security, but we're

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<v Speaker 1>just not there where we were at back in the

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<v Speaker 1>eighties and nineties. I think without you know, reaction from

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<v Speaker 1>the fishing game. I don't want to pick on them

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<v Speaker 1>too much, but there's a lot of nuance I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like in big game management, and one of them is

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<v Speaker 1>loss of habitat and security cover. And when when they

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<v Speaker 1>started making those clearcuts, you know, they were really great

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<v Speaker 1>because you'd have big blocks of timber and then you'd

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<v Speaker 1>have a clearcut and that would give the deer a

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<v Speaker 1>ton of food and they still had somewhere to hide.

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<v Speaker 1>But man, over the last five six years, all these

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<v Speaker 1>big clearcuts they'd put out there previously, they've all started

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<v Speaker 1>connecting them. Now they've they've wiped out a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the big blocks of standing timber, and the deer run

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<v Speaker 1>kind of running out of places to hide. But I

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<v Speaker 1>will say in the last three or four years as well,

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<v Speaker 1>some of those earlier clearcuts are starting to grow up,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're starting to get little fir trees and brush

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<v Speaker 1>and deer starting to find some new places to hide.

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<v Speaker 1>So so I feel like in the next five ten

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<v Speaker 1>years there should be a pretty good heyday of deer.

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<v Speaker 1>For deer, I feel like, you know, they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a lot less vulnerable and a lot harder to

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<v Speaker 1>see no matter how many tags are going to be

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<v Speaker 1>out there. But one bad thing about having too many

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<v Speaker 1>tags is you know, and I'm I'm all for everybody

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<v Speaker 1>getting the hunt every year. I love to hunt every year,

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<v Speaker 1>but man, at some point it gets tough because it

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<v Speaker 1>gets overcrowded. And you have to look at Idaho's population,

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<v Speaker 1>the resonant population. In the last three or four years,

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<v Speaker 1>it's exploded from a lot of folks moving to Idaho

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<v Speaker 1>because they love our resources, they love the outdoors, they

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<v Speaker 1>love to hunt. They they're looking for a different life

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<v Speaker 1>or a different way of life. So I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>there'll probably be some corrections or changes in tag availability

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<v Speaker 1>in the next few years, you know, which I don't

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<v Speaker 1>look forward to. But I feel like for the greater good.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes you know, it's painful, but man, we we have

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<v Speaker 1>to have have something done, so you know, it's still

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<v Speaker 1>a pleasure of pleasurable experience. Again for those kids, Like

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<v Speaker 1>if you take kids out, you know, you want them

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<v Speaker 1>to have a good time and have fun hunting, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>what makes what makes a good deer hunt for me? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I personally, I just want to see a lot of deer.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to see does and fawns. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to see young bucks. I want to see middle aged bucks,

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<v Speaker 1>and I want to see mature bucks. Basically, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to a well balanced herd with the possibility of taking

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<v Speaker 1>home a mature buck from time to time. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to take a kid hunting and keep

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<v Speaker 1>him or her engaged by showing them a bunch of deer.

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<v Speaker 1>I want it to be fun. We're competing with all

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<v Speaker 1>this instant gratification of electronics and all this other stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's it's really tough to get kids out there

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<v Speaker 1>and show them a good time if they're not seeing

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of deer. So that's for me, that's really

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<v Speaker 1>what it's about. You know, I don't need to try

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<v Speaker 1>to shoot one hundred and seventy inch deer every fall.

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<v Speaker 1>Some people might say, oh, you're just a trophy hunter,

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<v Speaker 1>but honestly, I just want to see a well balanced herd.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to see just a lot of deer. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to see does and fawns and little bucks and

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<v Speaker 1>middle aged bucks and old bucks. I just want to

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<v Speaker 1>see I'd like to see this kind of same kind

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<v Speaker 1>of deer hunting we had when I was a kid.

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<v Speaker 1>That way this generation can can enjoy that same thing

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<v Speaker 1>I did. Now I want to switch gears a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>And this week's Pendleton Whiskey Question and answer A question

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<v Speaker 1>is from that was kind of funny. Question and answer.

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<v Speaker 1>Question is from an Instagram direct message. Now I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>get the guy's name, but I'll read you the question

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<v Speaker 1>he said. I'm taking my kid on an Idaho whitetail

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<v Speaker 1>hunt in a month and have been crushing maps as

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<v Speaker 1>its new hunting unit for me. Some of the areas

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<v Speaker 1>I've been eyeballing or clearcuts at timber edges and on

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<v Speaker 1>state in private timberland. I've not done a mountain whitetail

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<v Speaker 1>hunt in Idaho before, so I'm assuming they act similar

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<v Speaker 1>to our Willamette Valley whitetail in Oregon. But if you

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<v Speaker 1>have any thoughts aside from that, I'm all ears. Current

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<v Speaker 1>plan is to archery spot in stock I'll bring provisions

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<v Speaker 1>to get in a tree if need be. This tag

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<v Speaker 1>being new to me, I'm curious to see what kind

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<v Speaker 1>of hunter numbers I run into. That's a great question.

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<v Speaker 1>I've actually been getting similar questions a lot because on Instagram, Facebook,

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<v Speaker 1>because folks know I've you know, grew up in north

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<v Speaker 1>central Idaho and have you know a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>insight on on the hunting up there. But first off,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to say, you know, archery spot and stock

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<v Speaker 1>will be kind of like taking a knife to a gunfight.

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<v Speaker 1>The area, it's it's rifle season, right Everybody's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>running in with a rifle. The area has a large

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<v Speaker 1>number of other hunters using rifles and they're gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>using ATVs extensively. The area is very roaded. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of roads that are open to ATVs. Recently there's

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<v Speaker 1>been some some closures to some of the roads, but

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<v Speaker 1>I still feel like you're going to run into a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people run their side by sides and four

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<v Speaker 1>wheelers around, whether that's whether they're supposed to or not.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems like there's always a bad apple out there

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<v Speaker 1>abusing abusing the the laws. But I'd say, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>committed to bow hunting, I would a one hundred percent

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<v Speaker 1>suggest setting up a tree stand or ground blind. Personally,

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<v Speaker 1>my style of hunting Mountain white tails is a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more mobile than folks who hunt in Eastern States. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>more of a I'm more of a get on the

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<v Speaker 1>ground and hunt the guy than a tree standing guy.

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<v Speaker 1>I like to cover a lot of country, whether I'm

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<v Speaker 1>on foot or on four wheels. Either I'm a pickup

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<v Speaker 1>or I'm in an ATV, you know, on roads that

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<v Speaker 1>are open. I really hate running an ATV at that time.

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<v Speaker 1>It's cold, and I'm just not into hunting from the

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<v Speaker 1>truck or the four wheeler. I really want to get

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<v Speaker 1>out there and just enjoy, you know, the quiet once

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<v Speaker 1>once it starts snowing. Man in the deer woods, it

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<v Speaker 1>can be so quiet. There's no birds chooping, there's no bugs,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no bees buzzing. It's just very quiet, just you

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<v Speaker 1>and the sounds are like maybe some squirrels or the deer,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just really love that. So I would just

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<v Speaker 1>like to cover for a lot of country to begin with.

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<v Speaker 1>I like to look specifically for tracks. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>look for deer trails. I want to look for rubs

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<v Speaker 1>and scrapes. Then I dial it in from there. Ideally,

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<v Speaker 1>I like to watch an area. I like to watch

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<v Speaker 1>a place where deer cross crossing from fetting feeding or

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<v Speaker 1>from feeding to security cover. You know, this may give

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<v Speaker 1>me a fifty yard shot or even a three hundred

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<v Speaker 1>or four hundred five hundred yard shot, depending on the area.

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<v Speaker 1>But I like to kind of sit and wait in

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<v Speaker 1>those kind of places just because deer they've got a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good eye for people walking around. But I will

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<v Speaker 1>say I do also love hunting big timber. I like

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<v Speaker 1>to still hunt big timber, and that's kind of how

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<v Speaker 1>I cut my teeth as a kid. And what I

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<v Speaker 1>do is I interesstand a big timber on a game trail,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I move really slowly, so slowly that it

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<v Speaker 1>almost appear that I'm standing in one spot. It might

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<v Speaker 1>take me an hour to walk two hundred yards. It's

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<v Speaker 1>almost exhausting, honestly, just because you're moving so slow and

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<v Speaker 1>you're just standing one spot. You don't want any perceivable

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<v Speaker 1>movement from a deer. And if if you move that slowly,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of times you can walk up. You'll as

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<v Speaker 1>you move through there, eventually a deer will appear and

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<v Speaker 1>you'll have the jump on them. They won't see you

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<v Speaker 1>before you see them. And a lot of times I

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<v Speaker 1>like to sit down when I get to the thickest

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<v Speaker 1>cover likes as the forest, as the big open timber

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<v Speaker 1>kind of starts closing in, and I start getting into

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<v Speaker 1>more fir trees and more brushy areas where deer tend

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<v Speaker 1>to bed. I like to sit down, and then I

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<v Speaker 1>like to use my grunt call or rattling horns, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I intend on on calling in a deer out

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<v Speaker 1>of that thick stuff, because a lot of times those

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<v Speaker 1>doughs will bet up in there, and if there's a

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<v Speaker 1>if there's a buck there that's not on a hot dough,

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<v Speaker 1>and sometimes a buck's you know, depending on the period

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<v Speaker 1>of the rep, there'll be a buck in there too bedded.

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<v Speaker 1>He may not be on a dough, but if you

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<v Speaker 1>can call into there, I've had it happen several times

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<v Speaker 1>where a buck will just come either come boiling out

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<v Speaker 1>of there running or they'll just they'll they'll come so

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<v Speaker 1>quick and silently. You'll look up and you'll just see

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<v Speaker 1>their feet standing there, and then you see a piece

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<v Speaker 1>and a part of a deer and you're like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there he is. And then you have just enough deer

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<v Speaker 1>to raise your rifle and put a bullet in them.

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<v Speaker 1>Now for archery hunting that would be that would be tough,

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<v Speaker 1>so that that's still hunting for with an archery with

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<v Speaker 1>a bow. I feel like it'd be really tough because

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<v Speaker 1>just central Idaho and north central Idaho it's pretty pretty

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<v Speaker 1>thick cover. A third way I like to hunt deer

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<v Speaker 1>is to hunt them kind of like you would elk.

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<v Speaker 1>I like to get on an old road or a trail,

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<v Speaker 1>a travels shoe kind of some semi open timber or

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<v Speaker 1>grown up clear cut that has lots of nooks and crannies.

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<v Speaker 1>More of a flat, more flatter kind of country. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not talking about steep canyon lands because if you're if

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<v Speaker 1>you're into that stuff where it's more like canyon brakes

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<v Speaker 1>or or big deep draws and ridges. As you come

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<v Speaker 1>around the corner on an old road, you around the corner,

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<v Speaker 1>you can see that hole here hillside, which is pretty effective.

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<v Speaker 1>You can see and you can glass it up and

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<v Speaker 1>look and see if you can see a deer. But

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<v Speaker 1>now you're walking. You got to walk another quarter mile

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<v Speaker 1>half mile sometimes before you get to ever see another

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<v Speaker 1>good site picture. But I'm talking about kind of more

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<v Speaker 1>flatter ground, where as though ground unfolds as you walk

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<v Speaker 1>maybe every two hundred yards, maybe one every hundred yards

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<v Speaker 1>or so, you'll see new nooks and crannies. Maybe it's

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<v Speaker 1>a place they did a select cut of some logging,

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<v Speaker 1>or they did some maybe a clear cut, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty years ago, fifteen, twenty years ago, and there's still

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<v Speaker 1>some old old skid trails and logging roads that are exposed.

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<v Speaker 1>And as you kind of walk your way around a

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<v Speaker 1>main road or a main trail, you'll see you'll peer

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<v Speaker 1>down into these other skid roads or old skid trails,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a great way to just walk right up

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<v Speaker 1>on deer and a lot of times you'll find a

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<v Speaker 1>dough there that's eating or moving. And if it's November twentieth,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna bet there's gonna be a buck with her.

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<v Speaker 1>More times than not there'll be a buck. If not,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll know it because she won't be watching her back trail.

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<v Speaker 1>But if she has a buck with her, she'll be

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<v Speaker 1>looking behind her nervously, because not all doughs like a

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<v Speaker 1>buck following them. And if you see a dough acting

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<v Speaker 1>like that, if she's looking behind her and then she

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<v Speaker 1>kind of moves off, have your gun up, have your

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<v Speaker 1>gun ready, and in that opening, because that buck's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>follow that same line and you possibly could have could

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<v Speaker 1>get a shot at a really nice deer. Now another way,

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<v Speaker 1>just like the folks back east in the Midwest, like

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<v Speaker 1>the hunt, I'm looking for deer in the fringe, fringe

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<v Speaker 1>areas and the tree you know, where the trees and

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<v Speaker 1>thick cover, the thin trees and the thick cover kind

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<v Speaker 1>of kind of meat. It seems like the deer love

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<v Speaker 1>traveling that stuff. So I like to set up to

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<v Speaker 1>where I can sit and watch a place like that.

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<v Speaker 1>And if I was to put a tree stand, I

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<v Speaker 1>might put it up in one of those fringe areas,

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<v Speaker 1>especially if it was a really good, really good trail

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<v Speaker 1>going through there with a lot of a lot of tracks,

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<v Speaker 1>especially this time of year that's a little bit muddy.

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<v Speaker 1>You can find big buck tracks, you can find their rubs,

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<v Speaker 1>you can find their scrapes where they've been traveling. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a great way to set up. But as far as

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<v Speaker 1>tree stands go, honestly, by default, I'm just not really

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<v Speaker 1>a tree stand guy. There's nothing wrong with him, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'd probably do a lot better if i'd start using one,

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<v Speaker 1>But it's just a different style of hunting. But I

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<v Speaker 1>will say if you want to hear about how to

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<v Speaker 1>hunt mountain white tails from a tree stand, you got

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<v Speaker 1>to go back and listen to episode one oh five

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<v Speaker 1>where Jason picks Troy Pottinger's brain on hunting mountain white tails.

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<v Speaker 1>Troy is the real deal and literally has shot He

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<v Speaker 1>just literally shot a giant another giant white tail last week.

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<v Speaker 1>Get on Facebook, look up Troy Pottinger. It's a it's

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<v Speaker 1>a it's an impressive giant buck and he's got several

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<v Speaker 1>of those under his belt. So that's a that's a

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<v Speaker 1>great deep dive to go into. If you want to

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<v Speaker 1>listen to more about hunting white tails as far as

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<v Speaker 1>a tree stand and maybe even with a bow. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a wrap for this week's episode. I figured I'd

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<v Speaker 1>share my thoughts on a subject that I hold near

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<v Speaker 1>and dear to my heart and that sideahole white tails.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, good luck out there and we will catch

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<v Speaker 1>you on the next one. St