1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:07,039 Speaker 1: This League Uncut is on fire and now the greatest 2 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: NBA duo when it comes to trusted reporting. You bring 3 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: the peanut butter and they'll bring the jam. Chris Haynes 4 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: and Mark Stein boom shuck a. Look out, friends, Welcome, 5 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: the heartiest of welcomes really to this League Uncut the podcast. 6 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: It's gonna plug you right in to the NBA grape vine. 7 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: I love, love, love the fact that the first voice 8 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: you heard in the history of this show actually belongs 9 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: to the legendary Tim kits Row, voice of the greatest 10 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: video game of all time, NBA Jam Altitude with an 11 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: attitude that's my Tim Kitzer impression. Probably not that great, 12 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,279 Speaker 1: but I'm sure you don't need it. You don't need 13 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: my impression because we got plenty of kits Row. Tim 14 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: is prepared all kinds. It's a material for us to 15 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: spice this show up. And that's just one of the 16 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: special features on a podcast. I can honestly say, I 17 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:14,119 Speaker 1: personally have been waiting six years to do six years people. 18 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: And one of the reasons it took so long beyond 19 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: the interference of some shall we say, petty forces in Bristol, 20 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: that we will get into in a later date. It's 21 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: because I wanted to do it with this guy, the franchise, 22 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 1: the Pride of Fresno, the star of this humble news show, 23 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: live and direct from Turner Sports and Bleacher Report, and 24 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: his top secret Taylor, who has surely fitted him with 25 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: some gaudy custom suit that you will see on his 26 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: next TNT appearance. I don't know if that's Tomorrow night 27 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: Thursday night. It's probably both. I think he has a 28 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: deal where he gets a new suit every game. Now, 29 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 1: my main man, Chris Haynes, we did it. We did it, man, Fine, 30 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: It's been a long time coming, a long time coming. 31 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: This has been in the works. You said six years, 32 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: Man's it seems a little bit longer. But we've always 33 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: tried to work it out throughout the years. We tried 34 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: to work it out. You know. Sometimes we thought it would, 35 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: you know, we would get close, and then it wouldn't happen, 36 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 1: and then, uh, you know, I'm being honest with your 37 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 1: stein for you know, I guess at some point I 38 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: lost hope, Man, I lost hope. I didn't I didn't 39 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: think it would actually um transpire. But to say that 40 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 1: I'm doing a pod, this pod with you know, collaboration 41 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio. I'm doing this pot with one of my 42 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:58,959 Speaker 1: best friends in the industry. Man, that means a lot. Man. 43 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: This is a guy who you know, we spent time 44 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: together at ESPN and you know, and we only spent together. 45 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 1: It was a year. It was just a year there 46 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: with me and um you together there and uh, that 47 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 1: was the best, one of the best years of my 48 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: professional NBA covering career. Matt and I wish we could have, 49 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: you know, spent spent more time together over there, But 50 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: like you said, that's another conversation for another day. But man, 51 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: I'm happy to save that one for after the trade deadline. Yeah, 52 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: we need to hold some stuff. That sounds good, man, 53 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: But I'm happy. Man, I'm glad to get this underway. Man. 54 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: So nope, nope, no better partning to do this within 55 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: you Man, Well that is those are beautiful words that 56 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: I greatly appreciate. That means a lot to hear that, 57 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean that's kind of the We always 58 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: joke about it, man. I mean how many times how 59 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: many times a year do I text you and say 60 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: I wish we were on the same team, man, Like 61 00:03:53,520 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: they're just there's stories that just sometimes require it requires teammates. 62 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: So we can't exactly do that here, but look, we 63 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: can do a lot here. We are going to talk 64 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: about anything and everything. We are going to get deep 65 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: on the trade deadline obviously, but that's just the beginning. 66 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: We're just getting started. We're gonna do this twice a week, 67 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: and twice a week, yeah if I can get if 68 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: I got to talk to your people and make sure 69 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: that I can find you twice a week, we're going 70 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: to work at All Star. We you know, I'm committed man, 71 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 1: I'm committed to this pot man, this league uncut man, 72 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 1: because that isn't and it's actually one of the things 73 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 1: like again, you know, we're getting started here, right. You know, 74 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: the trade deadline is ten days away, so obviously the 75 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: immediate focus is that. But as this thing goes on, 76 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,359 Speaker 1: I do look forward to I mean, I don't know 77 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: if people realize how much you travel, how much running 78 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 1: around you do, and I still get around a little bit, 79 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: and I think tails from the Road is something that 80 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: we will eventually get to that again, the people will 81 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 1: enjoy hearing some of the chaos that happens on the road. Okay, 82 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: us indeed, with this pot right here. Man, this this 83 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: pod fits right in with our chaos, and we'll be 84 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: able to again, we'll have so much content. Man, we'll 85 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 1: be able to you know, dissect obviously talking NBA basketball 86 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: transaction and things of that nature. But we're gonna take 87 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 1: you behind the scenes too of what it's like to 88 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: do this job the right way. And so you got 89 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 1: it's funny, like Stein, people don't understand our relationship. Man. 90 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: You you you know, you're You're a little older than me, 91 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: just a little bit. You're a little bit older than me, 92 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: and I'm a little bit younger than you. And so 93 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: from time to time you have a tendency to send 94 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: me a text and if I say up or do something, 95 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: you have the propensity to send me a text or 96 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 1: a call and say, hey, did you so you want 97 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: to do that? I'm like, Stein, Yeah, man, it's okay. Stein, 98 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: it's okay. I'm comfortable in doing this. I'm comfortable with 99 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: saying this. I'm comfortable with with with behaving in this 100 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 1: way in this fashion. And You'll be like, Okay, I 101 00:05:58,400 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: just want to tell you. I know I'm an old 102 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: but I just want to tell you from an old 103 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,359 Speaker 1: school guy. So they'll be able to get that type 104 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: of a vibe from this podcast right here, you get 105 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 1: a little old school, new schoolish newish or whatever. I 106 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: don't know you want to call me. I'm middle a's 107 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: now forty one, so I think, you know, I think 108 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: people would be entertained. Nonetheless, you know what the reason 109 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 1: that is is because I love being the old head. 110 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: See when I start, I was twenty four when I 111 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: was blessed to get my chance to start covering this league, 112 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: and I was the youngest traveling beat writer in the 113 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 1: league at the time, so young. I was covering the 114 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: Clippers for the LA Daily News and they used to 115 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 1: call me Junior. That was my nickname then because I 116 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: was twenty four and I looked like I was about fourteen. 117 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: I you know, with my diet and some of my 118 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: shaky eating habits, I'm actually I'm thrilled that I'm still 119 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: here to be able to pester you and kind of 120 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 1: give you my you know. And I'm also a champion warrior, 121 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: so I you know, I can't you know, I do 122 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: tend to worry, and you know I worry about you, 123 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 1: but you usually proved me wrong, which I'm glad about. 124 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 1: But you know what, I think the people they've probably 125 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: heard enough of us being sentimental here. They probably want 126 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: to get to the heart of the matter. So you 127 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: know what, let's let's do it. Let's I mean, we 128 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: have had one substantive trade. I actually thought that the 129 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: Knicks would trade Cam Reddish before anything. But the Lakers, 130 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: under a lot of pressure, fans, not happy Lebron James, 131 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: presumed to be impatient for some action, Lakers swoop in 132 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: and they get really hatche Mura from Washington. They derail Phoenix, 133 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: which had been chasing hatche Mura going all the way 134 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: back to December, I think, even before Christmas, and in 135 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: the process, the Lakers prevent Milwaukee from getting Jay Crowder 136 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: because there was the Washington Phoenix Milwawaukee three way scenario 137 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: where if Washington trade Tatchamrita Phoenix Crowder gets sent to Milwaukee, 138 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: that all gets scuttled for now. But I'm gonna ask you, 139 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: and it steins somewhere along in that three team trade, 140 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: because I can tell you right now one of those 141 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: teams in that deal thought that it was done. And 142 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: I will say this, I'd probably given up a little 143 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: bit too much, but I'll say it, but something happened 144 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 1: between Phoenix and Milwaukee, something happened to nix that deal, 145 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: because I would say this Washington felt like that deal 146 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: was done. It didn't. It didn't get nicked on their side, 147 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: So I don't so interesting because they're the like Phoenix 148 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: was desperate for Ruey and Milwaukee's wanted crowded forever. Like 149 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,959 Speaker 1: if anything, it should have been Washington nixing the deal exactly. 150 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: So I don't know what happened. I don't know what 151 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: got what got mixed up along the way, But yes, 152 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: somewhere along the lines it was Phoenix and Milwaukee. Something 153 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: happened there, and that's how Osmara ended up with the 154 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: Lakers ultimately. So let's say the Lakers cannot make another 155 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: move and this is it, you know, after what happened 156 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: Saturday night in Boston with I'm not gonna say it's 157 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 1: one of the worst calls of all time, but it's 158 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: definitely in the running for a worst call of the season. 159 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: Lebron doesn't get the call when he's clearly hacked at 160 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: the rim, so I'm sure everything is pissing him off 161 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: right now. But if if Hatch and Murra is it 162 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,319 Speaker 1: do you think that's gonna be enough kind of play, King, 163 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: I can't even let you finished. No, it's not enough. 164 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: It's not enough. No, I mean it feels in the 165 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: EU somebody as youthful, versatile can guard multiple positions. But 166 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: there's a desperate need to have a consistent sniper on 167 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: the court with these two. And then I mean just 168 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: just the injury history with a d H. They still 169 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: need a shooter. And this is kind of this is 170 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: a like a trial period the Lakers they have with 171 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: um Hachamar where they got to be able to see 172 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: and analyze and evaluate if this is going to be 173 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: somebody out they're going to commit beyond this season. You know, 174 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: obviously I think they will. They trade away some resources 175 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 1: for that. Definitely, it wasn't obviously wasn't the two top 176 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: resources they have in those two first round picks. But 177 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: it's not going to be enough. This team right now, 178 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: as constructed, is just not that good. And when I 179 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: and when I said, look, Anthony Davis was playing MVP 180 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: level basketball before he went down with that injury. Now 181 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 1: he's back working his way back in coming off the bench. 182 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 1: As a right now, they still don't have the depth, 183 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: the pieces still don't fit. So no, this is not 184 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: going to solve everything out of even though if you 185 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: look at the last skip of the Western Conference standing 186 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: how everybody is just so crushed together and it seemed 187 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: like if you win a string of three or four 188 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 1: wins in a row, it seemed like you move dramatically 189 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: up in the standings. But I still don't believe in 190 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: this Laker squad the way it's constructed. I still think 191 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: Rob Pelinka still has a move or two left in them. Yeah, 192 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: and look he did say. I think the Lakers have 193 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: been pretty upfront about the fact that the timing of 194 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: the trade to get Hatchemura to put Kendrick Nunn's expiring 195 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: contract in three second rounders on the table when they did, 196 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: was designed with the idea that it did leave them 197 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: time to make another deal. Boyan Bogdanovich in Detroit is 198 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: the number one target to me, the obvious number one target. 199 00:11:53,960 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: But Detroit has held firm and most people around on 200 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: the league that I talked to thought this was smokescreen 201 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: negotiating ploy No way Detroit sticks to this. But the 202 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: Pistons have asked for an unprotected first or a very 203 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: lightly protected first with something else good at attached to it, 204 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: and they have not lowered the price on Bogdanovich, who 205 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: is playing. He's having a career season. If the Pistons 206 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: weren't so bad, he at he's producing like an All Star. 207 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: It's the best he's ever played at age thirty four. 208 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: But I actually, like, I'm just if I'm the Lakers, 209 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: I can't even get even if it's just one unprotected first, 210 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:41,719 Speaker 1: I don't think I can do that. I can't give 211 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:45,839 Speaker 1: that up, knowing right now the Lakers are while all 212 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:47,959 Speaker 1: this is going on, and you know, the Lakers are 213 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: so upset about their pointing to these four games where 214 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: they got screwed by a bad call. And if they 215 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: win those four games instead of lose them, they're number 216 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: four in the West, and that's all well and good. 217 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: But while they're trying to just make salvage something out 218 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,959 Speaker 1: of this season, they're also living that nightmare, potential nightmare 219 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: scenario where they gave an unprotected pick to New Orleans 220 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: in the ad trade, and if God forbid, the Lakers 221 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: win the lottery, they're handing Victor wemban Yama to the Pistons. 222 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: So that like, because they're currently living that potential nightmare scenario, 223 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: as remote as it might be because the Lakers are 224 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: not going to have the top lottery odds, but I 225 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: mean with flattened lottery odds, the Lakers could win the 226 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: lottery if they missed the playoffs. And I mean, could 227 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:38,839 Speaker 1: you imagine if they have to send wembon Yama to 228 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: the Pelicans? So to an unprotected first for Bogdanovich, to 229 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: me is probably too steep, Probably too steep. I would 230 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: tend to agree with you on that premise. What I 231 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: will say from Troy we were standpoint, did you imagine 232 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: the Detroit Pistons. I think he understands the kind of 233 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: the desperation that some teams find themselves in. Let's let's 234 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: stick with just the Western Conference and just how box 235 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: boxed in everybody is there. You know, there's really not 236 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: really any separation right now in the standings. And so 237 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: in talking to one front office members, I was in 238 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: Phoenix giving up something, but you know, I was in 239 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: Phoenix for the Mavericks Suns game, and you know, just 240 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: talking with one of the front office members of one 241 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: of those two teams, they just basically explain to me 242 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: that right now, everybody still feels like they have a shot. 243 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: And if everybody still feels like they have a shot, 244 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: he said, there's really there really aren't any sellers. There's 245 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: a lot of buyers, but not really a lot of sellers. 246 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: And if your Troy we were the Detroit Pistons, you 247 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: understand that. And that's why you can kind of raise 248 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: the anti and whole solid to what to what you're 249 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: asking for him? You know, you're asking if he's asking 250 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: for an unprotected first round pick, does in any other 251 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: year does he ask for that for a player of 252 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: his caliber? I don't know. I don't know, but I 253 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: think you can hold firm and hope that some team 254 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: is desperate. And if you look at the Lakers, you 255 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: think about desperation. You think about, Okay, Lebron James is 256 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: always going to apply pressure. Lebron James wants to win 257 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: every single year, and he understand understands if Lebron James 258 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: doesn't have a roster around him, it's going to be hell. 259 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: It's going to be hell for who's ever running that 260 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: front office. David Griffin dealt with it in Cleveland. You know, 261 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: that's just what comes with it. So and then you 262 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: think about the promise that was made to Lebron when 263 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: he signed his extension. You know, he was told that 264 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: they're going to do everything that they can to make 265 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: sure that he has a championship continue roster around him. 266 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: That roster. Look at the starting five they've been trotting 267 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: out there the last month or so. That is not championship. Uh, 268 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: that is not a championship starting five. So I think 269 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: Troy we was doing it doing a good job by 270 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: holding holding still and hoping that some team of desperation 271 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: will give them what they need and because they love them, 272 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: they love I mean, look, he's having a great season 273 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: right now. You just imagine him over there with the 274 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: Lakers that they need. They need a marksman. That's what 275 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: they don't have. They got too many. They've had a 276 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: lot of point guards you know when they had kidsre dumb. 277 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: But they still say they're pretty small um over there, 278 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: and you know they need to mix some things up. 279 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: So that's why I don't think the roster as constructed 280 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: as of right now still will get it done. They 281 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: need to make another move too, But what's changed. It's 282 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: I mean, this still ultimately comes down to adis health. 283 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: I mean, that's correct. That's the thing. When you know 284 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: Ad was playing MVP ball before the injury. It was 285 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: the best he's look since the bubble, and he looked 286 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: like the difference maker of Lebron's dreams. After the was 287 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: it two and eight or two and ten, whatever the 288 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:10,199 Speaker 1: horrific start was and then Ad turned it on. But 289 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 1: if he doesn't stay on the court, to me, it 290 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: doesn't matter, even if they get booked on him. It's like, 291 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,120 Speaker 1: I mean, the reality, you know, it's tough to put 292 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: it on one guy, and you know he takes a 293 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: lot of heat and a lot of criticism, and I 294 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: think both of us would be classified as a D fans. 295 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: I am an AD fan. I mean, I think the 296 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: guy has unbelievable talent and he's not trying to get hurt. 297 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: I mean, he didn't want to be hurt. But look 298 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 1: at the first game he came back, he sprained his 299 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: ankle shooting a half court shot. Man, I mean that's 300 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: just a fluke, Like you know, it's like there's nothing 301 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 1: he can do. It's just like seeming like he just 302 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: has the worst luck in dealing with you know, flukeish injuries. Man. 303 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 1: So thankfully, you know, he didn't miss any time for it, 304 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 1: but hold on him and Lebron will be out. They 305 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: are sitting out one day. Um, I guess the Cleveland No. 306 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: First half of the back to back. I think Lebron 307 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: wants to play in the Garden instead of Barkley Center. 308 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:11,719 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna go out and a limit and 309 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: say that. And let's face he's getting very close to 310 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: Kareem's record now, and I think I think if we 311 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 1: really got ultimate candor on that subject, he wants to 312 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: break that at home, where presumably Kareem can be at 313 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: the game, then do that on the road. Yes, And 314 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: I have a boatload of Laker games I'm assigned to 315 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: next month, so maybe I will be in the building 316 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 1: a way that would be because that will make him. 317 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I've already I wrote I wrote this at 318 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: some point last year. But you know, is he ever 319 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: going to be He's never going to be the undisputed goat. 320 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: I mean, there are always going to be people who 321 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 1: pick Jordan and you know, no matter what he he 322 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,239 Speaker 1: does for the rest of his career, you know, I 323 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 1: don't know if goat status is really within reach because 324 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: there are so many people who are going to say Jordan, 325 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 1: but the longevity goat, which to me is nothing to 326 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 1: sneeze at. It's him, I mean he is now. You know. 327 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: It was Kareem and I was fortunate enough to be, 328 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: you know, a teenager for you know, Kareem's last year. 329 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:29,360 Speaker 1: So I saw a lot of Kareem during the Showtime era. 330 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: But what Lebron has done to basically put himself in 331 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: position to take the all time scoring record and to 332 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 1: play this way in your twenty you know, not just 333 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: in the post as a center. You know, centers I 334 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: think have always had a bit of an advantage to eight, 335 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: especially in Kareem's era. Centers routinely played into their late thirties, 336 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: and Kareem and Robert Parrish were able to play into 337 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 1: their forties. I mean, Lebron is doing this as a one, two, three, 338 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: four and still doing it at thirty eight at such 339 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: a high level. So you know, I'm sure he wants 340 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 1: goat status. I don't know if he's ever gonna get 341 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: goat status, but longevity goat, he's got it, And I 342 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: would say that's not a terrible distinction to have. Yeah, 343 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: that's undisputed in that regard. Goat status for longevity. But 344 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: it just depends, you know, just different eras it depends 345 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: on when you were born. You know, sometimes even where 346 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 1: you were born at determines it. I mean, Stein, there's 347 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 1: still a lot of people who feel, like Kobe Bryant 348 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 1: it's better than Lebron James, and I would argue heavily 349 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: against that. I put you know, I put Jordan Lebron 350 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: right there. You know, I came up watching Michael Jordan. 351 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: I still will say Michael Jordan number one. But it's 352 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 1: to the point right now if people if people said, hey, 353 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 1: Lebron's number one in my opinion, I'm not arguing with him, 354 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like Lebron has made a 355 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 1: case for that. So I would dismasber for me, I 356 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: would say Jordan, Lebron and Kareem are in a tier, 357 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: are in a tier of three, because I do think again, look, 358 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 1: you're right about it's the age thing. I mean, you know, 359 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 1: people my age and certainly people older. I mean, if 360 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 1: you saw Kareem in high school and college, which I 361 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: did not, I mean he was the best ever at 362 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: those levels and then super dominant in the pros as well. 363 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 1: So I do think Kareem is at least in the 364 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,239 Speaker 1: ballpark with those two guys. But you know that's not 365 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,199 Speaker 1: I mean that we'll save that one for another day, 366 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: because that's a whole. I mean that that's a pod 367 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: in itself. This is this is you know, Lakers Adjason. 368 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 1: I guess you know, Miles Turner got his extension, and 369 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,640 Speaker 1: I you know, two three weeks ago, the sides were 370 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: not close on a deal and Turner was saying no 371 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 1: to what the Pacers had on the table. But at 372 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 1: the end of the day he I think Miles gets 373 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: the deal pretty much that he wanted. I mean, on paper, 374 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: it puts him in the thirty million dollars centers club, 375 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: it puts him it actually puts him in the thirty 376 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: million dollars centers club. This season, he just went from 377 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 1: eighteen mill to thirty five mill this year, and overall 378 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: he's getting an extra sixty mill over He's getting an 379 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: extra sixty mil in an extra two seasons. So I 380 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: wondered you you know, you know, Indie has kind of 381 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,439 Speaker 1: lived up to billing here. You know, they're known as 382 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: not tanking, and clearly instead of trading Miles Turner and 383 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: trading Buddy Healed and they're keeping Miles Turner and they 384 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: clearly don't want to tank. Do should the Lakers regret 385 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 1: not trading for Turner and Healed in the offseason? I 386 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: actually say no, I don't think that would have moved 387 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: the needle enough. You don't think that would have moved 388 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: the needle. Huh? Not enough? Not enough? Not enough to 389 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: give up two unprotected first or two even both first, 390 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 1: whatever the protections were. I just don't think Turner and 391 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: Healed makes them a championship team. I don't. Okay, Well, 392 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: I guess you know I'm kind of mixed on that. 393 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,880 Speaker 1: The reason I am because, Okay, if we're passing up 394 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: on Miles Turner and Buddy Healed, you hoping that something 395 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 1: better is going to come along the way. And the 396 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: question I would have is, Okay, what's that better option? 397 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: Is that the hope that Kyrie Irvin might be available? Um? 398 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: Is that hope? Is there a hope that Toronto which 399 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure we'll touch on some you know sometime 400 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: down the road, is Toronto going to cave in and 401 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: and just burn everything down and make everybody available? What's 402 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: going to happen in Chicago is Zach Levine, Damar de Rosen. 403 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a lot of ifs right now. 404 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 1: So I look at that deal, what was it? It 405 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: was gonna take, It was gonna take. It was gonna 406 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 1: take first the two PI, Russ and the two picks. Again, 407 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: we don't know specific protections, but Russ and the two picks, 408 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: Let's just assume one of them was unprotected. But I 409 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: think Indiana was trying to get both of those picks unprotected. 410 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 1: And again, if you're the Lakers, there are a few 411 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 1: words that should scare you right now more than unprotected. 412 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 1: Again in the midst of this potential worst case scenario 413 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: with Wemby. But you know, Russ and two two first, 414 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: your last good your last two good draft assets for 415 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: the decade. For Miles Turner who closing line closing lineups? 416 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 1: Would you would you be closing with Lebron and Miles 417 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: and a D when Lebron really is a four at 418 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: this point and ad really is a five at this point. 419 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: Heeled can shoot it, But I don't know, man, it's 420 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 1: for me. It was too much. And look, you said 421 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 1: all those guys and maybe none of those guys become available. 422 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: But I think the Laker mindset was to wait, we 423 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: gotta see if there is something better. I'm protected as 424 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 1: too much. Definitely, I'm protected it is too much. Look, 425 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 1: I'm not saying they should have, but I was. I 426 00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: was of the notion um that they definitely should consider 427 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 1: it deeply, and you know, especially beginning of the year, 428 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 1: because that's when it was heating up, mostly at the 429 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 1: beginning of the season, and that's when Russ was kind 430 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: of like, you didn't know if Russ was even going 431 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 1: to be in the rotation after the start he had 432 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 1: to the season. So and then Russ started playing better 433 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: and finding his way and he still has his ups 434 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: and downs throughout the season. You know that had a 435 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 1: pretty bad game in Boston. But I still ultimately believe 436 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: that at the end of the day, this is what 437 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: we do know. Stein Lebron James is going to continue 438 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: to demand that the roster be shaped up until a 439 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:47,360 Speaker 1: roster that can compete for a championship period. And so 440 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: that's just that, you know, if Rob Polinka, because there 441 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: can be I believe there's a scenario where they go 442 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 1: into the offseason they might have and you may be 443 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 1: more verse, I should have looked it up more, but 444 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: they could have three first round picks, and let me see, 445 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of the scenario. Man a Lakers, 446 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 1: a member of Lakers front office told me this month 447 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: and a half ago, and I forgot the damn premise 448 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: and how he said it. But they felt like they 449 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: might at the end of the season they would be 450 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: in a better position to bring in a star caliber 451 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 1: player at that point, and they felt like going going 452 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: into a situation where they would acquire Miles and heel, 453 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: they felt like they would be leaving leaving a big 454 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: play on the table. And so I gotta go back 455 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: and think about what I probably might note somewhere about 456 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: what was the exact scenario he told me. But they 457 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,399 Speaker 1: felt like they'll be in a better position at the 458 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 1: end of the season to acquire big time help. Well, 459 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: they have to hope, I mean they have to hope 460 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: that's how it goes, because I mean, the Miles Turner 461 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 1: option is gone now, and you know, they're down to 462 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,679 Speaker 1: their last ten days here. Maybe they do Bugdanovich in 463 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,120 Speaker 1: the end, maybe Detroit lowers its price and they can 464 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: get Bugdanovitch. But I think we should, I mean, let's 465 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 1: let's broaden this a little bit to kind of. I 466 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 1: think the larger question that probably the bulk of the 467 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: audience wonders. And I've certainly been asking myself this, who 468 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: is the foremost name who ends up getting moved at 469 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: this deadline? Because you said it? You know, we're waiting 470 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: on Toronto. The whole league's waiting. Is Toronto gonna move 471 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: Van Vleet? Would they? Is Anna Noby gonna be in play? 472 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 1: Is Siakam gonna be in play Chicago? Are they gonna 473 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 1: trade Levine or de Rosen or Vuchvich? I mean, are 474 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: we gonna see somebody do something like? Are we going 475 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: to get a surprise here in the next ten days? 476 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: Because I mean, I'm sure, I'm sure the audience is frustrated. 477 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 1: I know I'm a little bit frustrated because I feel 478 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: like I've just been writing about the same It's Crowder, 479 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: It's John Collins. We've been talking to nausea about boy On, Bogdanovich, Reddish. 480 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: It's just so many of the same names that we 481 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,919 Speaker 1: just keep hitting over and over and over again. You know, 482 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: do we have some surprises in store here in the 483 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 1: last eight nine days of trade season? Well, I think 484 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 1: if you if we're talking about surprise. I don't know 485 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 1: if this would be considered a surprise by many, because 486 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 1: you know, we've written about him, probably in the past week. 487 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: You had a little nugget on him. But let's talk 488 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: about the Toronto Raptors. I do think ultimately Toronto will 489 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: start listening as the deadline surfaces. Still right now, we're 490 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: probably about eleven days removed from the trade deadline February ninth, 491 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: and you know, look, there's been rumbling all season long 492 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: about not just one, but a few players being unhappy 493 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: over there in Toronto, and the season has not gone 494 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: the way that they had hoped. It's a really talented 495 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: roster too, Stein like it's a it's a it's a 496 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: roster that probably has the most length in the NBA. 497 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: They're so versatile because switch things defensive. They just should 498 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: be a monster, and it hasn't necessarily transferred on the 499 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: court on a consistent basis. And then so there's a 500 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: lot going on. Then let's talk about Fred van Vliet, 501 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 1: who I reported at one point a few days ago 502 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: that he left his agent, and I think you followed 503 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: it up a couple of days later and that that 504 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: he's that you're reporting that he's going over to Rich 505 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: Paul with clutch over there. And a lot of times 506 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: some of these, some of these agents switches, sometimes they 507 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: don't mean much. But I have a hard time believing 508 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: that this agent switch is about nothing. You know, I 509 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: think Fred van Fleet, let me see, he had a 510 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: year left or it's a player option, yeah, which he's 511 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: going to decline. I think it's pretty's going to decline. 512 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: He's gonna become a free agent. So look hiring, especially 513 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: when you when you're hiring an agent of that caliber, 514 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: there's a big player to be made. I don't know 515 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: if that play is to be made by the deadline 516 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: or I don't know if that player has been made, 517 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: you know, coming into off season, because as you said, 518 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: he will decline that option to hit free agency. So 519 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: there's I'm looking at I'm looking at Toronto, Stein, I'm 520 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 1: looking at Toronto. I'm looking at a Nobe. I'm looking 521 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: at Fred van Fleet. Um, you know, you gotta you 522 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: gotta see what's going to happen. Man, it could definitely 523 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: be a yard sale over there. See. The clutch calculus, though, 524 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: to me, is really hard to kind of track in 525 00:30:53,680 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: this case because clutch represents an Anobi Clutch represents Gary 526 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:05,959 Speaker 1: Trent junior Clutch now is about to represent Van Vleet, 527 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: but they also represent Nick Nurse, the coach through the 528 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: coaching Division. So like, look, I just know the way 529 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: I've you know, my thinking on this has kind of 530 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: been influenced. At the showcase, I spoke to someone who 531 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: I believe has a very firm grasp on what the 532 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: Raptors approach is, and I came away from that discussion 533 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: believing that nobody's gonna meet the price for Anonobi or 534 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: Siakam at the deadline to convince Toronto to trade either 535 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: one of those guys. Now, in Van Vleet's case, around 536 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: the league, when you talk to other teams, they seem 537 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: to think he will be in play, But kind of 538 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 1: my stock belief to this point, again, ten days or 539 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 1: so out, Gary Trent is the most in play of 540 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: any of the Raptors regulars. And the reason, I think 541 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: one of the reasons is like there's this sense that 542 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: they have to strip down to get into the Wemban 543 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,719 Speaker 1: Yama sweepstakes. I mean, I don't think they want to 544 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: strip down. They want to still have good players if 545 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: they were lucky enough to win the lottery. So I mean, 546 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: and look, I say all of that and realize that 547 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 1: that is now a month old, and the Raptor's perspective 548 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: could have changed. Also that maybe I was, you know, 549 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: told something that is no longer You're fully valid, but 550 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: you're totally right. The whole league is curious and everyone's 551 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 1: looking at Toronto. I guess I can't forget the Lowry 552 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: situation when Lowry was a Raptor at the end, everybody 553 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: thought he was getting traded at that deadline. Messiah Jerry 554 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 1: didn't trade him in the end, and Lowry walked and 555 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 1: they just moved on. And so now van Vleet's much 556 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: younger than Lowry was then. But it just kind of 557 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: plants a little more. It just that's a little further 558 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: doubt in my mind. I got I really struggle to 559 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 1: see him asside trading van Vleet this month. I just 560 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: I just do. Yeah. But you know, crazier things And 561 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 1: I mean, what's the name of our podcast on this league? 562 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: This league? So man, expect the unexpected. So we've seen 563 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: crazier things happen. Man, there's always look we you know, 564 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: look this another person you gotta look at. Look at 565 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: monitoring Kyrie Irvan over there in Brooklyn. You know, I 566 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: reported a couple of days ago, I spoke with his 567 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: m his agent, who was his stepmother, Cetilia Irvin, and 568 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: she's reaching out. She's trying to get the Brooklyn Nets 569 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: attention about engaging in contract dialogues on an extension. So far, 570 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 1: the Nets haven't returned that level of interest as of 571 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: right now. So you look at Kyrie Irvin, who is 572 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: going to be a free agent I had to end 573 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 1: of this season, and you look at with Kevin Durant 574 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: out right now, Kyrie Irvin is shouldering the offensive load, 575 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: and I get it. I'm just don't shoot the messenger. 576 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 1: I get it. I get Kyrie has been a good 577 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 1: soldier for a month or so and everything that went 578 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 1: on with him and a tweet this season. But I 579 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 1: think the way they feel is that, you know, they 580 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 1: want some level of security, and so I think that's 581 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,439 Speaker 1: something you have to monitor too, is does the Nets 582 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: do the Nets playball? Do they operate in good faith 583 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 1: and start talking extension or if they don't, what's the 584 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 1: next step. And so that's that's why Kyrie's situation should 585 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: be monitored as well. Yeah, no question. I mean, it's 586 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 1: a tough situation for him because kind of the vibe 587 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: I'm getting from other teams as they watch this, because 588 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,120 Speaker 1: of course they read your story and they are watching it, 589 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 1: is that I think the Nets it's by design that 590 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,359 Speaker 1: they really haven't talked extension with Kyrie because to them, 591 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 1: I'm sure the way they see it, there's not you know, 592 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,799 Speaker 1: any team that Kyrie would presumably want to play if 593 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 1: he was leaving Brooklyn. He's going to need their help 594 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 1: and assign and trade. So I'm sure the Nets kind 595 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,720 Speaker 1: of feel like they've you know, they've got the leverage 596 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 1: in this same situation. We'll see if that holds. Because 597 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 1: you know, you said the guy's name. When Kevin Durant 598 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 1: gets back, you know, he obviously is Kyrie's number one 599 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,359 Speaker 1: advocate there and so I don't know that he's you know, well, 600 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,280 Speaker 1: we'll see how that goes. Because the Nets were absolutely 601 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 1: rolling before KD got hurt. Man, I cannot believe how 602 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 1: fast this time goes. We haven't haven't. We're always on 603 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 1: the run. We see each other, we never just sit 604 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:55,800 Speaker 1: and talk. But this is high. We went over time, Star, Yeah, 605 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 1: this is overtime right here. You charged send me to 606 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,319 Speaker 1: send me the bill and I we'll take care of it. 607 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 1: It's all good. It's the first episode, right here, Come 608 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 1: on now, it's the first episode. They deserve it, the 609 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 1: audience deserves it. And look, man, we will be back 610 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,880 Speaker 1: later this week with more. Again, we are dribbling ever 611 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 1: closer to that February nine trade buzzer, and I think 612 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,799 Speaker 1: I agree with mister Haynes's suggestion there. I mean, there 613 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 1: has to be some kind of surprise. There has to 614 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,880 Speaker 1: be some kind of move that we don't see coming, 615 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,799 Speaker 1: because it just like again, we've just been talking about 616 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 1: the same five six guys for ages. Let's uh, let's 617 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,799 Speaker 1: hope for all those fans out there the transaction game 618 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: that there is there is a curveball coming. There will be, 619 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:47,120 Speaker 1: there will be. It's this league. There will be this league. 620 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:53,200 Speaker 1: This League Uncut, number one, episode number one in the books. 621 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,760 Speaker 1: I'm Mark Stein, honored to be joined by Chris Haynes. 622 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,440 Speaker 1: We will be back with you very soon later this week. 623 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, everybody, and that'll do it for us. 624 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 1: See you next time. This League Uncut is an iHeartRadio 625 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 1: production