1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to 2 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: the show, fellow Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so 3 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: much for tuning in. That's our super producer, Max the 4 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: Beachhead Williams. That's no Brown and still has a bit 5 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: of long tresses, uh, which may not last forever. That's 6 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: Noel Brown. I am ben Bullen. 7 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 2: Uh, Noel. 8 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: Let's let's do uh. Let's do it in the style 9 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: of Lost or in the style of Saturday Morning cartoons 10 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: previously on Ridiculous History. 11 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 2: Previous Saturday Morning cartoons. How does that leave? 12 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 3: There's always like an announcer voice in those programming blocks. 13 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 1: And we are coming to you live, hot and ready, 14 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: just like that viral meme about Little Caesars. With part 15 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: two of this, because we talked about the halcyon age 16 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 1: of Saturday Morning cartoons when there there was a huge 17 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: loophole that Big Studio saw this was the easiest way 18 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 1: to sell merchandise to children and to propagandize children. And 19 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 1: they got in a fight with the federal government about 20 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: what makes a show versus what makes essentially a thirty 21 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: minute advertisement. 22 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 3: For sure, feature length advertisements, I believe is what some 23 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 3: of the parenting groups who are lobbying lawmakers and the 24 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 3: FCC to kind of crack down on some of this, 25 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 3: were referring to those as and they had really the 26 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 3: networks this is all on broadcast television, the big three networks, 27 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 3: along with a lot of these animation studios who were 28 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 3: kind of booed up with some of these big toy 29 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 3: manufacturing companies like Mattel were just raking it in hand 30 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 3: over fists. They were having a real boom time as 31 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 3: far as you know, their profits were concerned, and that 32 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 3: is what kind of led to I think what you 33 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 3: and I really remember as kind of the golden age 34 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 3: of Saturday morning cartoons, at least when we were more 35 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 3: like little tykes. But we're going to talk today about 36 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 3: kind of the next phase and then what became of 37 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 3: the concept of Saturday morning cartoons as we enter, I 38 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 3: guess are more like middle school, early teenage years the nineties. 39 00:02:53,919 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 1: So up until the early nineteen eighties, this out if 40 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 1: it used to kidnab people, kid nab studios as well. 41 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: I'm saying kid nab as a delicious pun because NAB 42 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: stands for National Association of Broadcasters, and they enforced what 43 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier in our previous conversational voluntary guidelines, and 44 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: those voluntary guidelines said, if we have a show, that 45 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: we have a series of shows that runs for an 46 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: hour on weekends, the ad time cannot be more than 47 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: nine and a half minutes on the weekends, and if 48 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: it's the weekdays, it can't be more than twelve minutes, 49 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: which is still a significant amount of time. 50 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 2: But we trust you to police yourselves on this. 51 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 3: The networks, however, starting in the eighties, under ray again. 52 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 3: As we know, this is a huge period of deregulation. 53 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 3: The Federal Communications Commission pushed for deregulations, and those NAB guidelines, 54 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 3: which were already kind of toothless in the first place, 55 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 3: were completely abandoned. So broadcasters were then legally allowed to 56 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 3: air as many commercials during kids programming blocks as they wanted, 57 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 3: which led to exactly what you were describing ben those 58 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 3: program I said feature That was the wrong word. Program 59 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 3: length commercials, shows designed purely to sell toys like transformers 60 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 3: and Gi Joe's. But as we mentioned, we're kind of 61 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 3: now entering the early days of the nineties when the television, 62 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 3: sorry the Children's Television Act of nineteen ninety would ultimately 63 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 3: begin to change all of that and require broadcast stations 64 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 3: to air a lot of educational programming while limiting commercial 65 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 3: advertisements directed at kids. 66 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 1: Well, someone think of the children. 67 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 2: Got to think there are few? Sure, I believe that. 68 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 1: It's the easiest way to get evil stuff passed as well. 69 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 1: Look at the efforts to de anonymize the Internet today. 70 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 3: But this was I think we both can agree that 71 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 3: this is beneficial in many ways. 72 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 1: Like I was going to say, this is a good 73 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: faith effort as far as we could tell in our 74 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 1: mutual research. And thank you again, Noel for creating this series. 75 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: This Children's Television Act, this CTA nineteen ninety is a 76 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: watershed moment because they're saying, Hey, these kids are going 77 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: to watch the screen no matter what, so why don't 78 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: we teach them a little something, and why don't we 79 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: try to ease it off with the dial back the advertising. 80 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: I cannot help but imagine that there were some parents 81 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: in Congress who were like, why does my kid will 82 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: always want the most expensive toy out there? But again, 83 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 1: as we set up in our first part of this series, 84 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 1: there were loopholes, right, No, there were exemptions. 85 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. 86 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, and we're going to get into like 87 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 3: a whole kind of sea change as far as the 88 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 3: landscape of what it meant to be able to bring 89 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 3: this kind of programming to kids. This was indeed designed, 90 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 3: like you said, in a good faith effort to provide 91 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 3: educational broadcast stuff that kids would have to kind of 92 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 3: also experience alongside their favorite Saturday morning cartoons. But to 93 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 3: your point, them an exemption did allow the five commercial 94 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 3: broadcast networks at this point there are five to increase 95 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 3: ad time while pretty much abandoning these educational blocks targeted 96 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 3: at kids under thirteen. 97 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And according to one of our favorite sources 98 00:06:55,240 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 1: for this, David rob writing for Deadline, this spell the 99 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 1: beginning of the end for the age of Saturday morning 100 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: cartoons in a big deal. A big aspect of this, 101 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: I should say that we teased previously is the emergence 102 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: of cable networks cable television. Because while they there were 103 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: many aspects of cable programming that we're still beholden to 104 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: these FCC regulations, it was a lot easier for them 105 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: to get around some of them too, because they weren't 106 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: on the public airwaves. Yeah, which means they're again, legislation 107 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: is always reacting to innovation. It's never really It hasn't 108 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: historically been prescient, it hasn't really figured out the future, right, 109 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: so it has to react at present. Yeah, yeah, not yet. 110 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: And so in the early nineteen nineties, as you were saying, 111 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: we see a significant amount of new players on the field, 112 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: and they're increasing in not just quantity but in quality. 113 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: We see Nickelodeon, we see Fox Kids, we see Warner 114 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: Brothers getting bigger budgets. They're actually snagging cinematic soundtrack scores. 115 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: And then they're they're letting people like they're actually letting 116 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: some of the world's most lauded comic book writers start 117 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: to write cartoons. 118 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 3: Giving them a budget and a platform, and they made 119 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 3: some incredible work, like the film noir coded Batman, the 120 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 3: animated series that I think we all grew up with 121 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 3: and really holds up to this day. It's just such 122 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 3: an art what would you call that style band kind 123 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 3: of art deco noir, like the Angular, you know, Frank 124 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 3: Lloyd Wright, kind of buildings of it all, and. 125 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 2: Just very very cool and viby stuff. 126 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 3: Of course, X Men, which we're gonna get too little later, 127 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 3: but has experienced a reboot in the style of the 128 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 3: old cartoons. 129 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 2: I believe it's called X Men ninety seven and uh 130 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 2: this one but little and but a little. 131 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 3: I know that was such a hallmark for I think 132 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 3: all this Max, I see you popping in. 133 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 2: Were you an X Men's kid, X Men's kid? X 134 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 2: Men Kid. 135 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 4: I'm just gonna say, as of recording today, you know, 136 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 4: the first three episodes of season two just drop. 137 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 138 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 3: I have not even watched season one, but I really 139 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 3: loved it when I was a kid, and I've been 140 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:26,839 Speaker 3: meaning to watch it. 141 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 4: Well, season one is season one. I mean, obviously I'm 142 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 4: not going to judge season two yet because you know, 143 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 4: we're only three episodes in. But season one it was 144 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 4: like when people told me about it, I'm like, okay, whatever, 145 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 4: It's like, this seems like a catch grab. It's it 146 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 4: is amazing, like how well ridden and like they let 147 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 4: like the show grows up with the audience. It's written 148 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:50,319 Speaker 4: for people who watched the nineties cartoon, which. 149 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: I yeah, very much, very well written and great, great 150 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: boy Max. And then we got Tiny Toon Adventures and 151 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 1: of course it's time for an maniac. 152 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 3: Wait, we've got bologna in our Slacks, where Zany to 153 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:06,319 Speaker 3: the Max, Who's Bolognian? 154 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 2: Yeah? 155 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 3: And Tiny Tunes and Animaniacs, if I'm not mistaken, both 156 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 3: involved Steven Spielberg. He uh he executive produced both of 157 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,839 Speaker 3: those shows and actually would make little cameos in both. 158 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 3: So the Animaniacs was about the Warner brothers and the Warner. 159 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 2: Sister Dot who have been like these. 160 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 3: Chaos gremlins who were locked in the Warner Movie Lot 161 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 3: water Tower, the famous water tower with that Warner Brothers 162 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 3: logo on it, and then they get out and they 163 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 3: cause all kinds of craziness. We got Pinky in the brain, 164 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 3: the good Feathers, remember the pigeons that were sort of 165 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 3: like Mafia gangsters. 166 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I love that show. 167 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: What I loved about Animaniacs as well is the the 168 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: phenomenal like geo weirdly astute geopolitical awareness they learn, they 169 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: name all the countries and the absolute banger song. And 170 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: then back in Boy Scouts, we used always write these 171 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 1: parody lyrics for things we would have instead of ani Maniacs. 172 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: We had the entire intro song as Pyromaniacs, Nice on Fire, 173 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: pre Smoke to You, Collapse Romaniacs so well, thank you, sir. 174 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: So like we're saying, I didn't know the Spielberg aspect there, 175 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: and like we were saying, these new shows completely ring 176 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: the bells of all the other pre existing stuff that 177 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: was treated as templatized cookie cutter, corny cell toys crap. Yeah, 178 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,319 Speaker 1: this is now like reimagining it all. 179 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 3: All those all those shows that we were talking about 180 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 3: in the eighties segment or the section were all like 181 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 3: quantity over quality. They wanted to make as many episodes 182 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 3: as they could. They were all kind of working hand 183 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 3: in hand with the toy manufacturers, so they were inherently 184 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 3: commercial and they just weren't that creative. 185 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 2: Like we were saying, it's like. 186 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 3: Magical strong Man a hold sword aloft and fight skeleton monster, 187 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 3: you know who lives in a spooky castle. It's like 188 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 3: the most basic kind of loreless stuff you could imagine. 189 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 3: With Batman the animated series, you're talking about some real 190 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 3: hard boiled kind of like edgy, serious detective kind of writing, 191 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:34,199 Speaker 3: like of the quality of like a what's it dashiel 192 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 3: Hamnet or some of you know, the Multese falcon and 193 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,439 Speaker 3: stuff and x men as well, comedy writing on tiny 194 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 3: tunes and animaniacs top notch. You had all these old 195 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:46,319 Speaker 3: Hollywood references that even like adults would get. It really 196 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 3: was a new kind of beginning of a golden age 197 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 3: of animation. The new shows made that rushed animation and simplistic, 198 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 3: moralistic narratives of eighties shows kind of look a little 199 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 3: bit hack in comparison. 200 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. So now at this point, your extant five big 201 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: broadcast studios networks, they are encountering lower advertising rates upon 202 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: which their business depends, and they're seeing increasing competition from 203 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: these cable channels which have an entirely different model of income. 204 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 3: Whuch that makes sense spend the lower ad rates because 205 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 3: there's just more competition, so like there's more opportunities for 206 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 3: advertisers to go in different places. So it's almost a 207 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 3: buyer's market rather than a seller's market. 208 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: Right, Right, that's on base. We're also seeing that, you know, 209 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: a cable channel be not beholden to the same model 210 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: may seem more interesting to the golden goose. The child demographic, right, 211 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: the child consumer demographic, which sounds very cold, they call 212 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: it preteen audience, but I still think it's it's like, 213 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: treat people as people and recognize when folks or children. 214 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:10,199 Speaker 1: Don't treat them as numbers. But that's maybe two leftists. 215 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. 216 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 3: And it's just not it's not cutthroat enough. 217 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 2: Ben, there's no room for morals and empathy and business. No, 218 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 2: there should be. 219 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 3: But it was really just kind of a little footnote 220 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 3: in the Federal Communications interpretation of the Children's Television Act 221 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 3: of nineteen ninety that was really kind of the beginning 222 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 3: of the end, one of the final nails in the 223 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:44,359 Speaker 3: coffin of Saturday Morning cartoons. So, under the agency's interpretation 224 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 3: of this law or this Act, broadcast stations were required 225 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 3: to run at least three hours of what's referred to 226 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 3: as educational and informational children's content every week for kids 227 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 3: sixteen and under. And this was a caveat of me 228 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 3: able to retain their licenses. You know, the FCC is 229 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 3: the one who issues and maintains, you know, a good 230 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 3: standing of these broadcast licenses. 231 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's like having a driver's license. Think of 232 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: it that way, folks. You get a license if you 233 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: qualify for your driver's test and so on, and you 234 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: don't have serious prior crimes or serious serious constraints that 235 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: would disallow you from driving a vehicle, you have to 236 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: satisfy government requirements. And what we're saying here is that 237 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: the CTA Act of nineteen ninety said that if you 238 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: don't have at least three hours each week of intentional educational, 239 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: non propagandistic programming for kids who are you know, also 240 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: just about or too young to drive, then you are 241 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: going to lose your right to broadcast anything the very 242 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: high stakes. So you also have to limit the amount 243 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: of advertising that you can do to ten point five 244 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: minutes per hour on weekend. So again, that's a sixty 245 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: second increase I. 246 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,479 Speaker 2: Was gonna ask, Yeah, yeah. 247 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: And then the twelve minutes per hour on weekdays, which 248 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: is still a lot of advertising time. Like, I'm sure 249 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: it is fought against it, but yeah, it's a lot. 250 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 2: For sure. 251 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 3: And by nineteen ninety six, the government decided to take 252 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 3: this even a little bit farther in a package of 253 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 3: rules that had been referred to as and I swear 254 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 3: when I read this, I think of burger king kids. 255 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 2: And I'll tell you why. 256 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 3: The kidvid rules by really further kind of becoming a 257 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 3: little bit stricter in their interpretation of the children's programming. 258 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 3: By implementing a study called the Children's Programming Report, which 259 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 3: was full of kinds of new mandates. Do you guys 260 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 3: remember Burger King Kids Club? This was the thing in 261 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 3: the nineties. They were like these kids, Like there was 262 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 3: one name Wheels who was in a wheelchair. 263 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 2: I always remember that there. 264 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: Was one with the cool sunglasses. 265 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 2: That's kidvid. His name was kid Vida. 266 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 3: And it had to have been a reference to this 267 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 3: in some way or I don't know if it's a 268 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 3: chicken or the egg thing, but I can't imagine that 269 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 3: the SEC named their program after the Burger King cartoon character. 270 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 2: But maybe it was around the same time. 271 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 3: But yeah, this Children's Programming Report, which you can read 272 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 3: in full online if you'd like to check it out, 273 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 3: had a lot of these new kind of frameworks for 274 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 3: how the FCC felt educational and not educational things should 275 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 3: be interpreted, or what their standards were for those things. 276 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 3: And this kind of really kicked off a new age demographic, 277 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 3: a new range for sixteen and younger. It kind of 278 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 3: identified them instead of just generally just you know, kids. 279 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 3: And another thing that this did was prohibit the advertising 280 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 3: of tie in merchandise for cartoons during the hours of 281 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 3: seven am to ten pm, which is one of several 282 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 3: what do they called I believe they're called safe harbor periods. 283 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 3: That's an FCC concept as well. 284 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, like which words one can use on air, And obviously, 285 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: folks we think it's we think it's dirty pool to limit, 286 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: like I'm not saying, teach every three year old all 287 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: the curse words, you know. But it is imperialistic and 288 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 1: kind of gross in general in this country to limit 289 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 1: what people are saying or try to police what they're saying. 290 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: It violates the First Amendment. But the issue here is 291 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: again the loophole is the existence of children. Right, So 292 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: you could argue, if you're a studio, you could say, hey, 293 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: these bullies are trying to tell me what to say 294 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: and how to say it. But then if you are 295 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: looking at this, which again I think is well intentioned, 296 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 1: they're saying, you guys are going to bleed households dry 297 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: when you have a Gi Joe show that has Gi 298 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: Joe expensive toys as the only commercial in the show. Again, 299 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: I'm a huge proponent of allowing people to say what 300 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: they want. It's super gross to do otherwise, I mean, 301 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: including hate speech. It's the first Amendment. But as you're 302 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: saying there NOL seven am to ten pm, they're clearly 303 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: mapping out the window where kids would watch this stuff, 304 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: and they say, Okay, let's teach the children with this 305 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: amazing technology television, mass broadcasting. And now the makers of 306 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: Saturday Morning Cartoons on broadcasts and on cable they have 307 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: to they to figure out how to deal with these 308 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: kidvid rules. 309 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's complicating things for them, for sure. It's 310 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 3: definitely mudding the waters and all the while Cable just 311 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 3: is not behold into this stuff. They are not required 312 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 3: to fill up significant parts of their programming blocks with 313 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 3: educational content. And we played you some of those segments 314 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 3: in the last episode, like the hunk of cheese thing, 315 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 3: well picture of that, but stretched out to literal, full 316 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:30,120 Speaker 3: length kind of programming, more like PBS style stuff. So 317 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 3: as the nineties kind of continued on, the era of 318 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 3: Saturday Morning Cartoons was really beginning to further kind of wane, 319 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:44,479 Speaker 3: with more folks households rather with personal computers, the advent 320 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 3: of the Internet. Obviously VCRs had been around where you 321 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 3: could record things off of TV, but that wasn't really 322 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 3: eating into their market share quite as much. As things 323 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:58,360 Speaker 3: like home video DVD players began consoles that could play videos, 324 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 3: kids were finding other ways to entertain themselves outside of 325 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 3: broadcasts and even cable. But broadcast was really starting to 326 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 3: show its age and was starting to become increasingly irrelevant 327 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 3: when it came to how kids got their entertainment. 328 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, now, we're not saying this was a light switch moment, right, 329 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: This was not a sudden flip. There are a lot 330 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: of shows that many of us in the crowd will 331 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: remember tonight, fellow ridiculous historians, things like Teenage Ninja, Turtles, Animaniacs, 332 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 1: Bobby's World, of course, Pinky and the Brain earlier mentioned. 333 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:39,439 Speaker 1: These are cult classics. They've spawned so many iterations, so 334 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: many memes. In some cases they've spawned full on film adaptations. 335 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: And then you have, of course Nickelodeon, the legendary cartoon network, 336 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: Adult Swim, Disney Channel. Of course, the mouse has been 337 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: in this game from the beginning. So there are other 338 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 1: way they're saying, Okay, I can't do what we want 339 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: in these specific constraints of the federal government of the 340 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: United States. We're going to find other ways to sell 341 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:16,479 Speaker 1: stuff to children. That's what's happening, and that leads us 342 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: to one of the quintessential textbook examples of this adaptation, 343 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,199 Speaker 1: which is Pokemon. 344 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 3: Hooke, hm on, you gotta poke that mom pokem on? 345 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 3: Man never was my thing. I think it hit a 346 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 3: little late for us, I did, I don't know, Max? 347 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 3: Did it hit just about the right time for you? Yeah, 348 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 3: you're a little younger than us. 349 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 1: Where were you at? Next? 350 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 5: I want to be the very best. No one ever was? 351 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 5: Is my real test? Train them is, buddy? 352 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 2: This is this is this peak. 353 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 4: It wasn't really a this wasn't really a Saturday Cartoons. 354 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 2: I watched it like every day before right, it was life. 355 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 4: This was when I was in elementary school. This was 356 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:10,199 Speaker 4: the show. And man we talked about commercialized shows. There 357 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 4: is nothing like poll COmON. 358 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: So it's nineteen ninety eight and our young Max Beachhead 359 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: Williams is grow it up, dealing with all the trials 360 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 1: and travails and triumphs of be the child. We see 361 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: that none other than our super producer is embroiled in 362 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: something that is a true paradigm shift. It's a sea change. 363 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: It up ends the viewing habits of children, It accelerates 364 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: the decline of the big network Saturday morning dominance because, 365 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:51,159 Speaker 1: like you were saying, Max, this becomes a show you 366 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 1: watch before you go to school every weekday. 367 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 4: Correct, yep, every single day. Because there were so many episodes. 368 00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 4: I think the first season I looked this up at 369 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 4: one point was like eighty two episodes. 370 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 3: Because wasn't it already It already hit big in Japan, 371 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 3: so these are just being repackaged and re dubbed, and 372 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 3: it was like just an endless content stream from Japan. 373 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, and there's also kind of a regression. And I 374 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 4: remember my dad loved shows like The Animaniacs and stuff 375 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,159 Speaker 4: like that because he could watch that with us and 376 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 4: we find it funny. We actually, on vacation were referencing 377 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 4: Tiny Tunes a whole bunch because there's a famous scene 378 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 4: in Tiny Tunes where they summer vacation episode where they 379 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 4: go spend like forever the whole summer going to amusement 380 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 4: park and then they go ride them on a round 381 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,679 Speaker 4: and leave. That's some making fun of like vacations that 382 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 4: are like that. But my parents never liked Pokemon because 383 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 4: the actual writing quality horrible. Is it's it's kind of 384 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 4: a step back. 385 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 2: It's like. 386 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: They grind out so much stuff. And you guys will 387 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:57,360 Speaker 1: see this when you encounter you when you travel to Japan. Right, 388 00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: we're going separately this year, but maybe when you were 389 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:00,679 Speaker 1: go together. 390 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 2: Uh. 391 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: The the sheer one piece, right, the One Piece franchise 392 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 1: is another example of this. The sheer number of episodes 393 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: in a thing means a lot of filler. Like I 394 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 1: I also remember this was maybe a little bit earlier, 395 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: maybe around the same time. I remember Dragon Ball Z 396 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 1: if you ever saw that one, guys, Uh, most of 397 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: the episodes are people talking about how they're charging up 398 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: their power moves. 399 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 4: To be honest, my friend Enrika, he's a he has 400 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 4: every dragon Ball thing he's done. I've seen all dragon Balls. 401 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 2: The I watched. 402 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,199 Speaker 4: Actually in college, I brought up with the fact that, like, 403 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 4: you know, the Freeze of Saga is just Goku doing 404 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 4: uh sit ups in a ship for like twenty. 405 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 2: Episodes about I'm about to that's it. 406 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 3: Ten thousand however, a hundred million or whatever the numbers. 407 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 3: I mean, it is so much there you go, it's 408 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 3: to corny throw out. And I guess a lot of 409 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 3: that comes in the fact that it is translated and 410 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 3: they are like you know, having to do the voices 411 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 3: of the dubbing, and there is a certain amount of 412 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 3: kind of regression that goes into that. It's not until 413 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 3: you see like Studio Ghibli and the dubbing and the 414 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 3: quality of voice acting in those films that you kind 415 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 3: of see a good version of what could be accomplished. 416 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 3: But they're trying to churn these things out, so you're 417 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 3: gonna have a bit of a throwback or a step 418 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,199 Speaker 3: back in quality in that department. But what can't be 419 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 3: denied is that it was an absolute craze, Dragon Ball, 420 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,160 Speaker 3: all of the anime stuff that was kind of flooding 421 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 3: the zone. But Pokemon in particular, that weekday kind of 422 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:45,439 Speaker 3: appointment viewing was really just absolutely eating Saturday morning cartoons' lunch. 423 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: And I've got to point out I will slightly derail us, guys. 424 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,439 Speaker 1: I've got to point out on the on the note 425 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: regarding Studio Ghibli, there is a phenomenal stage adaptation of 426 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: Spirit Did to Wait that is coming to Yeah, we 427 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 1: could watch it online. I had seen previously because it's 428 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,199 Speaker 1: you know, it's based in Japan, but they're going to 429 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: have a showing of it in Los Angeles and in London. 430 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: It's traveling the world. La is probably the closest to us. 431 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: So I say, we go, are you guys down day? 432 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 3: I I've just seen little snippets of it online. It 433 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 3: looks incredible, And you say it is streaming. It's available 434 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 3: to view online currently, Yeah. 435 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: Yep, you can find it on Amazon Prime. It's it's 436 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: a great hangout movie night, you know, because we're I 437 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: think we're all in love with the innovations of Japanese poetry. 438 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: This is astonishing. Even if you don't care for plays, 439 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 1: if you enjoy hearing about cartoons, this is a live 440 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,880 Speaker 1: action cartoon. It's way better than it should be. And 441 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 1: that thus ends our derailments here, because Noel, I don't 442 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 1: want to lose the amazing point you just made, which 443 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 1: is that things like weekday morning appointment viewing, they absolutely 444 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:16,719 Speaker 1: rock the industry. Advertisers were coming back into the fold 445 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: because they said, if we can get the kids before 446 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 1: they go to school, that we can make you know, 447 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,679 Speaker 1: instead of two days worth of money on the weekends, 448 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: we can make seven days worth of money through advertising. 449 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: And Pokemon also helps normalize and popularize the idea of 450 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: anime in the West, right outside of the Wiyaboos and 451 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: using that I'm using that term the way it's meant 452 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: to be used. We're not trying to cast dispersion. We're 453 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: just people. Yeah, most people didn't didn't know about, or 454 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: care about or like this stuff. And I think he 455 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: nailed an excellent point in that this is a repackaging 456 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: of stuff that was originally created in Japan, and Japan 457 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: through the intervening decades of post World War two, they 458 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: just got so far ahead in cartoon war like just 459 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: absolutely way better than the US. 460 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 2: For a minute, no, no question about it. Ben Oh. 461 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: And we should point out also when we say weekday 462 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: appointment viewing an important point here, which is in your research, 463 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: we're not just talking about that six thirty to a 464 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: thirty block where kids are getting ready or going to school. 465 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: We're also talking about immediately after school three thirty to 466 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 1: five thirty or what have you, the kids who don't 467 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: have extra curriculars, who maybe Latchkei kids their main thing 468 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 1: is going to be watching TV and waiting for their 469 00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: parents to get home. 470 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 3: That's exactly right. So at the same time, some of 471 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 3: these new rules were really you know, just absolutely hamstringing. 472 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 3: Some of these legacy networks and making them have to 473 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 3: air more and more educational content, leaving them far less 474 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 3: competitive against some of these really, really, really powerful franchises 475 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 3: like Pokemon, Ugo, Digimon, Dragon Ball, all of that stuff 476 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 3: across weekdays on cable, and this was absolutely becoming just 477 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 3: the death knell for the concept of Saturday morning cartoons. 478 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: What we're building the case here for folks is that 479 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 1: in the two thousands the two thousand, the center of 480 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 1: gravity has been shifting decisively to cable. So now the 481 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: kids are not just saying, what did you see on 482 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: ABC or CBS, They're saying, oh my gosh, Billy's dad 483 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: has cable at the house. We gotta go and broadcast 484 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 1: networks the old guys are outsourcing their blocks of cartoon programming, 485 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: or they're shutting it down entirely. They're doing something really 486 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: interesting that if you and I were kids, we would 487 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: not have understood at the time. Like NBC is essentially 488 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 1: selling real estate to Discovery Kids, They're leasing time to them. 489 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 1: It's a similar practice to what we saw with whomever 490 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: replaced Stephen Colbert's Late night program. I haven't watched it. 491 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 2: But I do know what you're talking about. 492 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, they they Essentially. 493 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 2: It was a new model where he's like paying to. 494 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: Be on the air essentially, right, Yeah, and that's what 495 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: that's It's weird because we hold a new model for 496 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: late night TV, but in this case with cartoons, we 497 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: see it is the same model NBC least time to Discovery, 498 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: Fox had something called Number four Kids TV, and then 499 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: the CW moves to outsourcing programming. Didn't they guys, correct 500 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: me if I'm off base here. Didn't they used to 501 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: be the Country Western Network CWN was that different from CW. 502 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 2: I don't know, Ben. 503 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 3: There were so many like rebrandings of those like TLC 504 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 3: became its own thing, to the Learning Channel, and then 505 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 3: it just kind of it's sort of like removing the 506 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 3: meaning of the acronym or trying to strip it away, 507 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 3: like Kentucky Fried Chicken turning into this KFC, et cetera. 508 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 2: So it's hard to keep tracks sometimes, man. 509 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 4: It is a fusion dance between the CBS Corporation and 510 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 4: Warner Brothers C and. 511 00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 2: W the phone and fall in knowledge. 512 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 5: It's just for you right now? 513 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, So, as you were saying, no, CWN is 514 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: something entirely different, got. 515 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 2: It, got it. 516 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 3: I was also thinking, there's Country c CTNE. 517 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 1: Okay, and then there's CNN. 518 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 2: CMT CMT Country Music Television. 519 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 1: The one CMT is the one. And then we got 520 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 1: Cartoon Network, which later spawns Adult Swim. We've got Nickelodeon, 521 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: Disney Channel. They're running animation all week. If you don't 522 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: believe us, check it out now. Uh, And then you 523 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: have you have the erosion of the appointment television habit 524 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:54,480 Speaker 1: because now we can uh, we can record stuff in 525 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 1: advance for our kids, right, and we can play it 526 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: when we want those kids to trackeded by a screen. 527 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: And it's two thousand and eight, so we're not at 528 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 1: the point where every child has a smartphone. We see 529 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:13,839 Speaker 1: the I guess, as Gizmotos said it, we see the 530 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:19,319 Speaker 1: death knell really coming into play in twenty fourteen when 531 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 1: the CW's outfit Vortex with two x's ends. That's right, 532 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 1: the last that marks the end of it. 533 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, big time. And as Bob A. 534 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 3: Sora Canitch from Gizmoto put it, I'm just going to 535 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 3: quote directly from this piece he wrote that came out 536 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 3: right after this kind of you know, watershed moment. It's 537 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 3: the end of an era, he said, but it's been 538 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 3: a long time coming. NBC ditch Saturday Morning cartoons in 539 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 3: nineteen ninety two, CBS followed suit not long after, and 540 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,360 Speaker 3: ABC lost this animated weekend mornings in two thousand and four. 541 00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:01,360 Speaker 3: The CW, he goes on a lower tier broadcast network, 542 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 3: was the last holdout in a game that the Big 543 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,720 Speaker 3: three left long ago. 544 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: Ouch lower tier. 545 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 3: They kind of were, I mean, y, yeah, they were 546 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 3: one of those like the WB, you know, the CW, 547 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 3: they had some of these kind of you know, lower 548 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 3: quality teen dramas, and then they had sort of like 549 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,799 Speaker 3: I believe the WB is where didn't you have like 550 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,879 Speaker 3: Buffy the Vampire Slayer on one of those as well? 551 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 3: They were they had like kind of a little bit 552 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,800 Speaker 3: schlockier content, it would seem. I'm not saying Buffy schlocky. 553 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 3: Buffy rules people love it, but it was yeah, very 554 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,919 Speaker 3: very good. But I think it's not an unfair characterization there. 555 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 3: And then we finally have Lisa Golombowski who kind of 556 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 3: further eulogizing Saturday Morning cartoons in a piece she wrote 557 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 3: for Refinery twenty nine in October of twenty fourteen. And 558 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 3: I think this is a great way to wrap up 559 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 3: this section. The nation mourns today as we witnessed the 560 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 3: first weekend in America without Saturday Morning cartoons in more 561 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,280 Speaker 3: than fifty years. Last weekend, the CW ran the final 562 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 3: installment of its vortex with two Axes by the Way 563 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,400 Speaker 3: animation block, marking the last gasp of the decades long 564 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:17,280 Speaker 3: animation domination. The network has replaced it with One Magnificent Morning, 565 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,879 Speaker 3: which promises all the wonders read boredom of live action 566 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 3: educational programming. But not all is lost, Ben, because we're 567 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 3: starting to see some really fun kind of reboots and 568 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 3: nostalgia baiting but admittedly pretty high quality versions of some 569 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 3: of these eighties cartoons that we sort of have this 570 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 3: soft spot for in all of our hearts. 571 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, a bunch of a bunch of kids 572 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:49,280 Speaker 1: who grew up on Saturday Morning cartoons are now big 573 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:53,959 Speaker 1: studio moguls and they're chopping their bubblegum cigars and they're sick. 574 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,360 Speaker 1: Yeah I should do Yeah, let's not waste time on 575 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: new risky ideas like the phenomenal Pacific rim. Let's look 576 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,920 Speaker 1: at the old pieces of intellectual property. This stuff I liked, 577 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,719 Speaker 1: you know, top tough, tough top. They say, let's make 578 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 1: Vultron sleeker, sexier, more character driven. Let's get some good writers. 579 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 1: Remember how we didn't respect writers. Let's get some good 580 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 1: ones for Ductails and reboot that. 581 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 2: You know comedians? 582 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,359 Speaker 3: Do you recognizable comedians doing voice parts. 583 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:33,839 Speaker 1: Paton Oswald as Splinter? Why not, guys, Let's think outside 584 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 1: of the box. The calculus here is is weaponized nostalgia. 585 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:45,760 Speaker 1: It is the idea that you know, the Lago Company 586 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:50,080 Speaker 1: is phenomenal with this. It's the idea that your kids 587 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:54,360 Speaker 1: that you got early on, the ones you propagandized, the 588 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 1: ones you indoctrinated, you got in their heads with it. 589 00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,799 Speaker 1: As they age up into their own adulthood and have 590 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 1: their own children, they want to share that story of 591 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:10,400 Speaker 1: their own evolution. And they have disposable incomes. So obviously, 592 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,319 Speaker 1: an eight year old is going to have a hard 593 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 1: time convincing their parents to pay three hundred dollars for 594 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:18,920 Speaker 1: a Lego set. 595 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,880 Speaker 3: But if you want to be the cool parent, and 596 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,520 Speaker 3: you also maybe wanted a little bit for yourself, let's 597 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 3: be honest. 598 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,400 Speaker 1: You know you wanted a hundred a bit for yourself, 599 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:32,880 Speaker 1: Let's be honest. Yeah, So that's that is that is 600 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:38,000 Speaker 1: part and parcel of what is fueling this new renaissance 601 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 1: in Saturday morning cartoons, even if they're not on Saturday mornings. 602 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:47,760 Speaker 3: And admittedly Ben and Max too. You know, this doesn't 603 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 3: necessarily mean that some of these reboots aren't fun and 604 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,799 Speaker 3: pretty good. Like The X Men ninety seven is absolutely 605 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 3: what you're describing. There is a cynical view of it 606 00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 3: that could be taken and saying that it's some sort 607 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 3: of cash grab, know, to capitalize on nostalgia, but it 608 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 3: also is being written and helm clearly by people with 609 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 3: a serious affection for the original material and and trying 610 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,680 Speaker 3: to think it should be true a million percent, dude, 611 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,120 Speaker 3: And I think that's the case with a lot of 612 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,399 Speaker 3: these shows. Uh, Teenage Being Ninja, Turtles keeps getting reimagined 613 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,799 Speaker 3: Masters of the Universe. There's other versions of that that 614 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 3: were fun, some of which didn't quite go, including I 615 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:28,279 Speaker 3: believe the live action MO two movie that I think 616 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:29,400 Speaker 3: was a bit of a flop. 617 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,480 Speaker 2: But you saw it and said it was a good time. 618 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,919 Speaker 1: It was a good time. I mean, it's look, are 619 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:41,720 Speaker 1: we expecting something like an a war an Academy Award 620 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 1: winning thing. No, are we jared leto fans, I'll definitely 621 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:52,759 Speaker 1: nah really but but yeah, you're you're nailing it there. 622 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 1: It's the sweet spot. As as you said in your research, 623 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:03,040 Speaker 1: modern storytelling more inclusive cast links to old themes and 624 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:07,560 Speaker 1: Easter eggs, heaps and heaps of merchandise, one of which 625 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,200 Speaker 1: we have here now. It's a skeletor popcorn cup. It's 626 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:17,880 Speaker 1: his brains, yeah, because it opens to the it's so weird. 627 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:22,879 Speaker 1: It's not as off footing as that dune sandworton cup. 628 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:30,920 Speaker 3: No, or the recent uh Supergirl commemorative soda cup that 629 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 3: has inexplicably a flesh colored trench coat on it that 630 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,120 Speaker 3: when you look at it from behind just kind of 631 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,839 Speaker 3: looks like a aany a Vaney dome. 632 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,560 Speaker 1: Georgia O'Keefe, would. 633 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:47,000 Speaker 2: Anyone, yes, please more of that? I'll have what she's having. So, 634 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:48,640 Speaker 2: I mean, I guess it's been to wrap it up. 635 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,880 Speaker 3: Saturday Morning cartoons didn't just vanish overnight, like you said. 636 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,760 Speaker 3: This was kind of a death by a thousand cuts 637 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:54,960 Speaker 3: thing that happened over time. 638 00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:56,439 Speaker 2: They were squeezed out. 639 00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:00,200 Speaker 3: The cable network started airing animation all week long. We 640 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,440 Speaker 3: didn't really get into DVRs, because that's not even as 641 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,840 Speaker 3: relevant anymore. But that was a thing the kind of 642 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:10,480 Speaker 3: replaced VCRs and allowed on demand viewing, So the appointment 643 00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 3: viewing habit really became kind of less and less relevant, 644 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,839 Speaker 3: and streaming truly finished the job by letting kids watch 645 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,600 Speaker 3: anything they want at any time. Meanwhile, the FCC educational 646 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:25,439 Speaker 3: rules made these legacy broadcasters just absolutely eat into their 647 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:31,440 Speaker 3: airtime with hours of educational programming, and of course the 648 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:39,879 Speaker 3: toymakers and the advertisers they migrated away to folks like Nickelodeon, 649 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 3: Fox Kids and the WB. 650 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:48,120 Speaker 1: So the thing is that while this current ritual or 651 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:54,279 Speaker 1: this former ritual faded away at the time, and by 652 00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:58,200 Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, the last broadcast holdout ended. As we said, 653 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:03,880 Speaker 1: the cartoons themsel elves soldiered on. They simply moved and 654 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:08,320 Speaker 1: adapted to wherever the kids already were. I would say, 655 00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:13,080 Speaker 1: the kids present and the kids past right the kid's former. 656 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,520 Speaker 1: So if you want, and a lot of people do this, 657 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,920 Speaker 1: if you ever want to have an excellent binge of 658 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,839 Speaker 1: something like Captain Planet or he Man and Masters at 659 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 1: the Universe or Gem in the Holograms, you can easily 660 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,920 Speaker 1: go find it and that is a beautiful thing, because 661 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,759 Speaker 1: as ridiculous as the premises of so many of these 662 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:41,359 Speaker 1: cartoons are, they rule and we're super happy that they 663 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:45,280 Speaker 1: are there. Big big thanks or super producer mister Max Williams. 664 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,960 Speaker 1: Big thanks to our research associate for this series, mister 665 00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,920 Speaker 1: Noel Brown. And Nola got to ask you, what do 666 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:57,040 Speaker 1: you think Jonathan Strickland aka The Quister's favorite cartoon was. 667 00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:58,640 Speaker 2: It's a good question. 668 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:03,800 Speaker 3: It's probably something sword and sorcery related, maybe some of 669 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,680 Speaker 3: those maybe some of those O, G, D and D 670 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:11,160 Speaker 3: cartoons from being charitable, he also was basically his favorite 671 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 3: cartoon character is probably Doctor claw On Inspector Gadget, because 672 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,960 Speaker 3: that's like they have, you know, the sort of spiritual 673 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:18,279 Speaker 3: commonalities there. 674 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say his favorite cartoon characters himself. 675 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,160 Speaker 3: I did not walk right into that one, and I 676 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,239 Speaker 3: should have. Well, well, well said Ben, and you know what, 677 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,920 Speaker 3: let's just say I'll who's thanks to Jonathan Strickland aka 678 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,920 Speaker 3: The Quister, A J. Mohammas Jacobs, the Puzzler, Rachel Big, 679 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,120 Speaker 3: Spanish Lance, the Doctor, the Underwater Doctor herself. 680 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,640 Speaker 1: Big big thanks as well to the rude dudes of 681 00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,520 Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime if you dig us, you will love them. 682 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,439 Speaker 1: We can't wait to we can't wait to announce when 683 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:51,560 Speaker 1: we have them back on a collaboration. We also and 684 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,800 Speaker 1: I guess we should tease it here even though we 685 00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:58,360 Speaker 1: don't have to. We're also taking to our super producer 686 00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,439 Speaker 1: Max and our pal Matt Fredrick, along with a few 687 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:06,200 Speaker 1: compatriots on a tour of the High Seas for different shoes. 688 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true, we are doing that. 689 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,279 Speaker 3: We're going to Bermuda by way of the Port of 690 00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:14,919 Speaker 3: New York, one of many. 691 00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:16,000 Speaker 2: It's not just one. 692 00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,359 Speaker 1: We're so mystified by the toured authority too. 693 00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,440 Speaker 2: I know that's pretty it's the thing. Yeah, and why 694 00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,920 Speaker 2: do they run the bus terminals? I don't understand what 695 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:25,840 Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Yeah, exactly. 696 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,719 Speaker 3: So where are we gonna be doing that? With Virgin Voyages? 697 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,080 Speaker 3: You can if you just look up what is it 698 00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,279 Speaker 3: stuff at sea? You can book yourself a cabin on 699 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,120 Speaker 3: that journey with us. What we'll be hanging out? That's 700 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:38,959 Speaker 3: when has that been? Early October is when the actual 701 00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:39,799 Speaker 3: voyage takes place. 702 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,480 Speaker 1: That's right, it's October two to the seventh. We hope 703 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,439 Speaker 1: to see you there. And Noel, I had a great 704 00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,360 Speaker 1: time with this. I knew you've got to go watch 705 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:53,040 Speaker 1: another episode, but I'm gonna be honest with you guys. 706 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:58,839 Speaker 1: More and more often, I've been working out too old cartoons. 707 00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:01,239 Speaker 3: So many amazing super cut of them on YouTube that 708 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:02,319 Speaker 3: you can watch. 709 00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,880 Speaker 2: Pretty freely as well. So try that yourself. 710 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,000 Speaker 3: Pump some iron, take a page out of the book 711 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,920 Speaker 3: of Ben and do some squats to some old he 712 00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:10,839 Speaker 3: Man cartoons. 713 00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:13,360 Speaker 2: We'll see you next time, folks. 714 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:24,000 Speaker 3: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 715 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,240 Speaker 3: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.