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Speaker 1: that Jonathan Craft likes all those same people equally as

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Speaker 1: much as his dad is probably zero percent. The chances

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Craft tells his wife, tells his close confidence, tells

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Speaker 1: whoever that's really close in his life, I would fire

431
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: this dude, this dude, and this dude tomorrow if I

432
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Speaker 1: was in charge, is probably closer to than it is.

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Speaker 1: And if Jonathan listen, Robert's old, who knows how much

434
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Speaker 1: longer he'll be able to same with Jerry, Like these

435
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: guys is not gonna last forever. The Belichick's time is

436
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 1: just ticking now. I'm not saying I think he's the

437
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Speaker 1: best coach ever, and if he became available, half the

438
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,439
Speaker 1: teams in the league should hire him tomorrow. But my

439
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: point is things eventually come to an end, and there

440
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 1: is now tangible pressure on this team. All the money,

441
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 1: the checks, Robert Kraft just just cash to sign all

442
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,400
Speaker 1: these guys, like, these guys have to be good. These

443
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: guys have to play well. They have to succeed or

444
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,120
Speaker 1: else he might start asking himself, how are we gonna win?

445
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 1: Like Bill finally spores in it and it failed. And

446
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 1: if if they find themselves without a quarterback, you just

447
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 1: wonder if you go, is Bill coming down the home

448
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 1: stretch of the Patriots if this does not work out.

449
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: If it does, then Robert crafts in the clear and

450
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 1: he just keeps on chugging along and they make the

451
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: playoffs and they keep printing cash. But it's just something

452
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: to put in the back of your mind that Jerry

453
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 1: Jones fired Tom Landry. Now Robert Kraft it's different. Robert

454
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: hired him. They've worked together forever. But you know, all

455
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: great things eventually come to an end, and it's just

456
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Speaker 1: it's just something. I'm been a monitor this year. It's

457
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: funny when I when I see people that I haven't

458
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: seen a while, or I introduced myself, and you know

459
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Speaker 1: it eventually, I guess it's part of life as you

460
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 1: get older, people just what do you do? Right? It's

461
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 1: it's always my go to question, what do It's just

462
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 1: a good, easy conversation starter, So what do you do?

463
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 1: And then usually they're eventually gonna throw it back what

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Speaker 1: do you do? And I just go Now in a podcaster,

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Speaker 1: and I think most people when I say a podcaster,

466
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: like God, how's this guy getting by? How's this guy,

467
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Speaker 1: you know paying the rent? How's this guy making any money,

468
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Speaker 1: You're like, actually, the podcast business pretty good. But the

469
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Speaker 1: one thing that you realize and in my business, my

470
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Speaker 1: podcast business, I'm partners in this venture with Colin, and

471
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: in my other podcast, I'm partners in that venture with guy.

472
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Speaker 1: And the column thinks pretty easy, right, he's just uh,

473
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: he just lets me do my thing. I load it,

474
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Speaker 1: I sent it off to my guy Mike. We put

475
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Speaker 1: it up and it just rocks and rolls. There's not

476
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: it's it's very seamless transition. My other podcast, it's more

477
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: hands on with both of us, the decision whether we

478
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: to move to a different hosting platform. What adds that

479
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna take or accept and listen, we're

480
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Speaker 1: gonna accept nine of ads. But that there is just

481
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Speaker 1: a partnership and a relationship to get things done. Do

482
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: You have to communicate right, And it was the same

483
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 1: when I, uh, when I worked for people, you had

484
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: to have a line of communication. That's very very key

485
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,679
Speaker 1: because whatever you're doing an AMTU. Many of you know

486
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: this now, probably especially over you know the when you

487
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 1: were working from home during the coronavirus, that the communication

488
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: there's probably never been easier to communicate, whether it's through email, text, voice,

489
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: tex you can do whatever. So it is easy to communicate.

490
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean communication actually happens. And we've read countless stories, right,

491
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: and I think football is a good example because it's

492
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: such a public business, so we hear when the GM

493
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: and the coach don't get along. I had a front

494
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: row seat for probably i'd say the biggest blow up.

495
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: It was bigger than Chip and Howie because this team

496
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: had gone to three NFC championships and a Super Bowl

497
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Speaker 1: in Trent Bulky and Jim Harbor, and it was really

498
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: really ugly, and rumors had come out. They didn't speak,

499
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: they hated each other. It was a disaster. It was very,

500
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 1: very toxic. You cannot do business, and you cannot run

501
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: a successful football team in the NFL. I'd argue at

502
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,360
Speaker 1: any time, but definitely right now if you're GM and

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Speaker 1: your head coach are not on the same page, because really,

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00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: one of those individuals, and i'd say in two thousand

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Speaker 1: twenty one, the overwhelming majority of the decision making power

506
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 1: is in the coach's hands. Sometimes i'd say a small

507
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 1: percentage is still in the GM's hand. But whoever has

508
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Speaker 1: that decision making power, has to be able to work

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Speaker 1: with their you know, quote unquote partner, because as a GM,

510
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Speaker 1: you're only as good as your coach, and as a coach,

511
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: you're only as good as your GM. I say it

512
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Speaker 1: all the time. Ryan Pace is letting Matt Naggie down,

513
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: but Ryan Pace is ruining the Bears. Is Matt Naggie

514
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Speaker 1: good coach? I think he is, but I don't even

515
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Speaker 1: think he can judge him with with the situation the

516
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks that Ryan Pace keeps giving him because he's in

517
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Speaker 1: charge of the roster. When you see some of these

518
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Speaker 1: situations in Seattle, you go, well, is it John Snyder's

519
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: fault or is it ultimately Pete because he's the boss.

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00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: Like when the forty traded to Forrest Buckner, that has

521
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Speaker 1: to get an okay from Kyle shanahanda happen. That might

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Speaker 1: be a John lynch idea that the Colts might have

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Speaker 1: got running through him, but without Kyle saying yea or nay,

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Speaker 1: that trade never happens. He's the boss. But even even

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00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: when you have about you have to be able to

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Speaker 1: work with each other. And I think what you've seen

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Speaker 1: and I read this article today about the Colts and

528
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: the Carson Wentz situation is that Frank had gone to

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Speaker 1: watch Carson Wentz because he didn't want to rely on

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Speaker 1: just his own experience. So he watched two thousand and eighteen,

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Speaker 1: and he watched two thousand nineteen. He watched some of

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Speaker 1: this year, and he felt comfortable about what he saw,

533
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: but he needed Chris Ballard to also feel comfortable. So

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Speaker 1: Chris Ballard went and watched basically his entire career, and

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Speaker 1: they communicated not out of desperation, not out of Frank

536
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Speaker 1: saying I have to have this guy, but out of

537
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Speaker 1: ultimately coming to the conclusion that Frank felt comfortable with

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Speaker 1: what he saw and then also what he heard because

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00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: they had added coaches from those Eagles teams, right Press

540
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Speaker 1: Taylor and uh and Grow the wide receiver coach. We're

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Speaker 1: both with the Eagles over the last several years, but

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Speaker 1: Chris Ballard was not. And the great part about being

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Speaker 1: a GM or being any front office person as an evaluator,

544
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Speaker 1: if you haven't been around the player, it's easy to

545
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: pretty have an unbiased opinion on what you see on film.

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Speaker 1: And reading this article in Albert Brier, who talked to Frank,

547
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Speaker 1: he was just like I was really impressed. Chris Ballard

548
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: never said no off the bat, and he never said

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Speaker 1: yes off the bat. He just said, I'm gonna need

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Speaker 1: some time. I'm gonna evaluate the guy. You have your opinion,

551
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: all get mine, and then we'll come together. And ultimately

552
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: they came together and agreed on let's make this trade.

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Speaker 1: That is how high level deals happen, because you can't

554
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Speaker 1: force feed a player on your coach, and as a coach,

555
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Speaker 1: you can't force feed a player on a GM. I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying that that doesn't happen. I think it happens

557
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: all the time. But when that happens, you have two

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00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: people kind of pulling an opposite direction. And that's not

559
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: healthy for a football team because really your goal should

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00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: be the same thing winning And I think too often

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00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: that you see in toxic teams, teams that aren't successful.

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00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: Sometimes you have a coach who's kind of rooting for

563
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: a player to fail because they didn't want the GM

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00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: to draft them. They wanted another player who ended up

565
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: on another team, and the guy that they were forced

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Speaker 1: fed in the third round, they don't quite spend as

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00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,719
Speaker 1: much time coaching up or maybe giving all their effort.

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00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: You think that sounds crazy, but I promise you it's true,

569
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: or vice versa. You see gms that force players on

570
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: coaches that they don't want right, so you get these

571
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: situations where they're not all pulling in the same direction.

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00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: They're not all rowing upstream. One guy's rolling one way,

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00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: the other guy's rolling the other way. And I think

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Speaker 1: the one thing you see when you watch the Colts,

575
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Speaker 1: and you've seen it over the last couple of years

576
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: how much talent they have, is everyone's on the same page.

577
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: And this goes back to Chris Ballard, just his character,

578
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: how good he is at his job. He deserves a

579
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: lot of credit for getting screwed by Josh McDaniels. How

580
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: he pivoted with Frank and found a guy that turns

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00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: out to be a pretty solid head coach, but who's

582
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: also open minded. He's not forcing anything. And I think

583
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Speaker 1: their success with Carson Wentz they have an opportunity to

584
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: make this, uh you know, get his career back on track.

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00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: I heard Colin thinking they're a lot to be in

586
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: the a f C Championship game. I think Carson is

587
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: gonna be good, but I don't think he's just gonna

588
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: hit the ground running. There's an elephant in the room

589
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,959
Speaker 1: with him. The moment that first game goes, what if

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Speaker 1: he throws a couple of picks, which could happen like

591
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, How does he respond? Because the moment that

592
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: happens like, oh is he is he a shot? Fighter?

593
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: Is he done? And that to me when you go

594
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: through adversity, and it's impossible not to, whether it's football,

595
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: team or life, right, we all go through it all

596
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: the time. Think about your significant other, whether it's your

597
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: wife or your girl, and you actually find out how

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00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: strong your relationship is when times get a little tough.

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00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: So what happens when the Colts maybe it's not weak one,

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00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: maybe it's week five, Maybe they start like you know,

601
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: three and one, and then week five he throws three

602
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: picks and everyone's like, oh the Philadelphia Eagle two thousand twenty,

603
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz has poked his head out again. Well, when

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00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: Frank and Chris Ballard are rowing the same way, which

605
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: they clearly are in this situation, it's easier to get through.

606
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: It's easier to support the player. In a weird way,

607
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: one of the guys is not rooting against the player,

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00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: which back to what I said Originally, I think many people,

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Speaker 1: many fans would be shocked with when the GM and

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00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: the coach are not, you know, have a good working relationship.

611
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: How often that happens. And I'm excited to watch the

612
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Speaker 1: Colts for the first time. I mean they were they

613
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: were kind of fun with Philip Rivers last year. But

614
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: the problem is his ceiling was just so small, right,

615
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: his ceiling was just so limited. His his best football

616
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: was clearly way behind him. Say the same thing with

617
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: Drew Brees. Those rosters were so awesome. If you just

618
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: put a big time player on that team, either one

619
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: of those teams could have competed to win the Super Bowl.

620
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: Last year they were just missing a quarterback. And now

621
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Speaker 1: Carson has the talent. Just can they get him back,

622
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: you know, on the right track. Can they get him

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Speaker 1: back to playing football. I'm not even talking m v

624
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: P level football, just good football. And clearly the coach

625
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: and the GM both want to see that happen, which

626
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: is not the case always. Okay, let's get into a

627
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: potential rivalry, and I I think a competition that you're

628
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: just gonna see grow and grow because of an aggressive

629
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: nature of a certain NFL team and the the impact

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00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: that it's going to have on you know, a team

631
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: that's kind of chasing them in an indirect way being

632
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 1: at the Rams and the forty Niners and really Kyle

633
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:56,280
Speaker 1: Shanahan and Sean McVeigh. Now, personally, I think I would

634
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: take Kyle over McVeigh, But listen, I don't pretend to

635
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: not be biased. I watched the Niners much closer in

636
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: the Rams. I thought last year when the Niners somehow

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00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: once six games, one of the most remarkable things I've

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00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 1: ever seen. You can't dispute mcveigh's record. They have both

639
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Speaker 1: been to a Super Bowl, but Sean has not had

640
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: a losing record in any of his other seasons. And

641
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:23,240
Speaker 1: I stumbled upon last week Sylvester Stallan his Instagram page.

642
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: He actually gives some pretty good motivational like talks. And remember,

643
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: I think I've mentioned this on the show before. Instead

644
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: of selling Rocky when he did not have a pot

645
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: to piss in for like four hundred thousand dollars the script,

646
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: he refused to sell the script to the studio who

647
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: offered him hundreds of thousands of dollars because he wanted

648
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: to play Rocky. He held out. He held out. They

649
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: finally allowed him to do it. The rest is history.

650
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: But when I stumbled upon this rabbit hole, I went

651
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: to YouTube. I stumbled upon a rivalry and a competition

652
00:35:55,400 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: that I didn't truly know existed. I actually you kind

653
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: of growing up in the nineties, remember Universal Hollywood. I

654
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: thought of Sylvester Stallone and Arnold's like really good friends,

655
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: and I watched them give interviews together. And the one

656
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: thing they mentioned is in the eighties they hated each other,

657
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 1: even though they really respected each other. Why because they

658
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: were competing against each other. They were the two biggest

659
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: action stars by a mile, and what was the biggest

660
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: genre in the eighties action movies? And those guys were

661
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: the guys in Rocky Rambo, Terminator, Terminator Too. I actually

662
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: watched Terminator two a little bit before I went to

663
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: bed on Sunday night, and Arnold and Sylvester both admitted

664
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: when they would see the other guys succeed or do

665
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: a movie, it would drive them to do a better movie.

666
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: And they'd even joke like we would run into each

667
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: other in l a and Sylvester would be like, in

668
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: my last movie, I killed eighty five people, and Arnold

669
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,959
Speaker 1: would look at them in my next movie, I'm gonna

670
00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: kill nine people. In my last movie made two seven

671
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: five million, and Arnold would say my next movie is

672
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: gonna make And there was a competition that drove those

673
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: guys to obviously superstardom in the movie business, to economic greatness.

674
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: I think both guys have had great business careers. Arnold

675
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: probably a little more unique than Sylvester, got into politics

676
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: and did some other stuff. But both those guys just

677
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: are all time great Hollywood actors and an impact just

678
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: on society. Like you don't meet anyone between probably thirty

679
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: and seventy that doesn't know those two guys and can

680
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: list off a bunch of their movies, and they were

681
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: driven by each other. And I think watching the Rams

682
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 1: and I give them a lot of credit. And I

683
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: did a segment probably within the last couple of months

684
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: on I think draft picks get overblown, like the RAM.

685
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: Since Sean McVeigh has been there have not had any

686
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: draft picks high in the draft right, no first rounders.

687
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: It hasn't mattered. They made the playoffs three or four

688
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: years and the one year they missed and went nine

689
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: and seven, And if those seven team rules had been

690
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 1: in place, they would have made the playoffs that year.

691
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh is proving that, like, yeah, you can do

692
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: it that way. I'm not doing it that way and

693
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 1: it's working because I'm a big time coach. And then

694
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 1: this year they got extra aggressive and I appreciate that,

695
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: like I I give them credit because I that's if

696
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: I was an owner, if I you know, I'd want

697
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 1: my general manager and my coach to always lean being aggressive,

698
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: never lean, just if you have two options and you

699
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: feel comfortable doing it. I'm not saying be aggressive just

700
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: to say you're aggressive, but if you're confident on it,

701
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: take big swings. Say this about the Rams. They take

702
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: big fucking swings and they just did it with Matt Stafford.

703
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: There has to be a sense of urgency in the

704
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: forty Niners building. If you're Kyle Shanahan and going, I

705
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: would say most people, most people listening would would agree

706
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: with Kyle Shanahan is a really, really good coach. But

707
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: when you look at his record, he's only had one

708
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: good season now, and I would defend him by saying,

709
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh, even though Jared Goff had diminished, he didn't

710
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 1: miss any games. Jared Goff was very reliable in two

711
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 1: thousand eighteen. In two thousand twenty, Jimmy Garoppolo missed seventy

712
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: of the games. When you're starting quarterback, even at Jimmy's level,

713
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: which is probably middle of the pack in the NFL,

714
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,919
Speaker 1: right somewhere between seventeen and twelve on a given week,

715
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: he's the middle of the pack starting quarterback. If the Packers,

716
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: if Seattle, if Tampa Bay lose their quarterback in multiple

717
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: seasons for seventy percent of the games, it's over. You're

718
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: gonna lose. Remember the year Patrick Mahomes knee you know,

719
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: went out of the socket or whatever. He missed two

720
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: games they went one on one. It's hard to win

721
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 1: without your starting quarterback. When the guy's good top ten quarterbacks,

722
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: most of those teams don't have good backups. That's why

723
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: it was so remarkable a couple of years ago when

724
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: the Saints Lostrew Breeze, they had Teddy Bridgewater. They they

725
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 1: had a starting quarterback as their backup. Now he's not

726
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: a great starting quarterback, but still most teams have like

727
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: a backup that sucks. I saw it the Niner C. J.

728
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: Bethard and Nick Mollins. It is not very good right there.

729
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: Just the more and more they play, the more you're

730
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 1: just gonna lose. You can win maybe one game with

731
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: one of them, but if you play ten games, you're

732
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: gonna go three and seven. It's just hard to overcome

733
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: them and the rivalry and the competition of Sean McVeigh

734
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 1: in that mindset, and we'll find out, like ultimately they

735
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: get over the hill. Kind of pressure this year on

736
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: doing it has to create some emergency of like, we

737
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: don't only have to win, but we need to be

738
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: aggressive to match these guys. And to me, that's trading

739
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: up in the draft. And I've been saying it over

740
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: and over and over again. If Kyle Shanahan likes one

741
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: of these quarterbacks a lot, I don't think they can hesitate.

742
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 1: They got to get to number three. And I've heard rumors,

743
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: and I've said this on different platforms and podcasts, that

744
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: they've already inquired about doing that. My guests would be

745
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 1: justin fields, but Trey Lance, I I don't think you

746
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: could discount either. But competition should drive the best out

747
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: of you, especially competition like if you're going up against

748
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: Arnold's worsenager and he makes terminator the next movie you make,

749
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 1: if you're Sylvester Salone, better be damn good. Better be

750
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: Rocky four. Right. You can't come with a crappy movie

751
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 1: because he's gonna lap you. Whatever the forty Niners do

752
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: next at quarterback, they better get it fucking right because

753
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: right now the Rams are loaded. I would say beside Tampa,

754
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: and we'll see after the draft where Green Bay is

755
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: with their roster, but I'd say the Rams are the

756
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: best team, you know, second best team in the NFC.

757
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: And if that doesn't drive internally, Kyle Shanahan to go.

758
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: This guy works for me in Washington, for me and

759
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: my dad, we kept him on the staff. I guess

760
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: they hired him from Washington, excuse me, from Tampa. But

761
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 1: this guy was I was his mentor and now he's

762
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: his franchise. You know, it's kind of run circles around me.

763
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: Now I've beat them in the last two years. I've

764
00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: kicked his ass, but he keeps making the playoffs and

765
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: I have it and I just hope. And I'm not

766
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: saying you ever do a move because of what another

767
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 1: team does, but when that team is in your division,

768
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: and it's kind of set the bar. The last couple

769
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 1: of years, and the same with Seattle. But Kyle doesn't

770
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: have a relationship with Pete like Seanvey worked for him.

771
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: That's he runs his scheme. And now the scheme that

772
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 1: Seattle is running is because they hired a guy from

773
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: Sean who Sean taught that guy from Kyle. If that

774
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: doesn't bring out the best in you and to make

775
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: you want to excel at the highest level whatever that means.

776
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: But as we know now more than ever, if you

777
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 1: do not have a dominant quarterback, it's gonna be very

778
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: hard to sustainably win. Actually it's impossible. You can't sustain

779
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 1: winning in the NFL if you do not have a

780
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 1: difference maker at quarterback. If you have just like a

781
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: pretty good player Derek Carr, you still could lose big.

782
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: If you have a consistent pro bowler your worst moments,

783
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: you're still gonna be competitive and go above and then

784
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: if I factor in you have a good coach, you're

785
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: gonna be a playoff team consistently. The Niners, they have

786
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: a high level coach, they do not have the quarterback situation.

787
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: Figure it out. Under no circumstances can I rely on

788
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo like I said between eighteen and twenty of

789
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: the games, if I told you or if you told me,

790
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: he was gonna be healthy the next two years, Okay,

791
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: you can keep because I know I can be competitive

792
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 1: and win games with him, but I can't even rely

793
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: on the player at any moment. He just goes down

794
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: and they disappears for games. Not like you know, he

795
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: only misses a quarter, He misses games and months. You

796
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: can't win that way, and especially you can't win that

797
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: way with the Rams taking massive swings to upgrade positions,

798
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: but mainly upgrade the quarterback position. A big reason the

799
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,280
Speaker 1: forty Niners kick Sean mcveigh's asked the last two years

800
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: because they ate Jared Goff for lunch. He was a

801
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 1: sitting duck. He couldn't scramble and he wouldn't make the throws. Well,

802
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: guess what Matt Stafford, who was introduced last week, who

803
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 1: gave an excellent who gave like an eight minute video

804
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: on the Lions social media accounts about what Detroit meant

805
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: from just a high level guy. But he's a high

806
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 1: level talent, and Sean McVeigh who's a high level coach,

807
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: is going to get the most out of that talent.

808
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: So hopefully a little like Arnold and Silvester back in

809
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,439
Speaker 1: the day, going at it and competing and always trying

810
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: to one up each other. Hopefully that's the mindset in

811
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: the you know, front office and with their head coach,

812
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: because if it's not, they're gonna get lapped. Okay, let's

813
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: let's fire around the league on just some things that happened,

814
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: and uh, I'll give you my opinion. Kenny Golladay big

815
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 1: signing with the Giants. They gave him a lot of

816
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: money and texting around a little bit. I got some

817
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: shocked emoji faces back from people in the league and

818
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: I asked someone, how would you describe Holaday's game? And

819
00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: they said, he's a good player. I think like a

820
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: young anger. Al Sean might not be that good, but big,

821
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:08,280
Speaker 1: big catching radius, not a burner, not much after the catch,

822
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: but just very very good and contested catches, A big,

823
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: physical guy, good player, like a legitimate starter, solid starter.

824
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: But the amount of money they gave him, I think

825
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: was a little rich. But they're invested in a quarterback.

826
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: And I stole this from Albert Breer, and he's right.

827
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 1: They need to find out if Daniel Jones is any good.

828
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: I actually think Daniel Jones is pretty talented, but through

829
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: two years it hasn't been great. He's turned the ball

830
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: over at rapid rates. He's had a lot more mrs

831
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: than hits when you just watching him play. Now this

832
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: year you get Goladay, you get Evan Ingram, you got

833
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: sa Kwe coming back. They got golden Hate on the team,

834
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: like they actually have some offensive weapons, and I think

835
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: hopefully at the end of the season you just go,

836
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 1: this is our guy or he's not our guy. You've

837
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: already I mean, you spent the six pick on Daniel Jones.

838
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: So if you have to overpay to get a wide

839
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 1: receiver to ultimately figure out if this guy can play

840
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: or not, I understand it. I do get it. Uh Now,

841
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: is gonna be good enough to live up to that contract?

842
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: Probably not. But if he's good enough to be productive

843
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: on your team and make your quarterback look good and

844
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: help you win games and maybe even make the playoffs,

845
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: it's all worth it. De Sean Jackson went to the Rams,

846
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: no brainer. Him and McVeigh worked together in Washington. I

847
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: haven't seen the money. Doubt they're paying him anything. I

848
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: got some people on Twitter like you're given. You gave

849
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: the Rams credit for signing to Sewan, but you hated

850
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: a J Green to the to the Cardinals. The Cardinals

851
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: gave a J Green over six million dollars as a

852
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Coach told me his film was tough to watch.

853
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 1: Why he might be shot. Someone was like, well, Emmanuel

854
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: Sanders got the same money. Emmanuel Sanders hasn't been getting

855
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: hurt the last couple of years. He's a healthy player,

856
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: more ductive too. Urban Meyer already complaining, does not like

857
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: the way free agency works because I'm like college for

858
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: years when he can recruit, meet, get to know their

859
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: families and get to know the players and those around them.

860
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: Not the way it works in the big leagues. We

861
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: signed guys without ever meeting them. Now you get to

862
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: meet them during the draft process, but you don't. Guys

863
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,240
Speaker 1: don't take visits in free agency. This ain't an eighteen

864
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 1: ninety three. They sign on the dotted line now. Urbans

865
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: used to giving cash to players. Did it at Florida?

866
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: Didgit Ohio State? Uh, he's just used to knowing them

867
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: much better. Obviously, in the NFL you give more cash

868
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: to players. But he didn't like it, so he complained,

869
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: I got news for you. Urban No one gives a

870
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: ship you you wanted to come to the league. This

871
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,760
Speaker 1: is how it works. It's a lot better than college

872
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 1: because you have to worry about recruiting, but you're you're

873
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: never gonna get high price free agents to take visits

874
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 1: when they have multimillion dollar offers from multiple teams. I

875
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:11,760
Speaker 1: don't even get why he's complaining. Isaiah Wilson, the twenty

876
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 1: nine pick in last year's draft, has already been traded

877
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:20,280
Speaker 1: to the Miami Dolphins from the Tennessee Titans and then cut.

878
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: I don't know much about this player he's I mean,

879
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: I know from Georgia was a talented guy. I just

880
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: know what's happened to him in the NFL. Clearly maturity,

881
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 1: uh or immaturity is a problem. But this guy has

882
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: potential to go down as one of the biggest bus ever.

883
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: Because right now he's toxic. No one can touch him.

884
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: Someone needs to get in this guy's ear and just

885
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: direct him back to sanity, Like, hey man, there are

886
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: only so many six, five, three thirty good athletes in

887
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: this world. You're one of them. You can play tackle

888
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: tackles make a lot of money. Figure it out. Bro

889
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: Kyl Fuller to Denver, the Chicago Bears contract guy is

890
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: clearly not very good because he they are constantly having

891
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: to restructure and move money around. They do not have

892
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 1: a thirty five million dollar quarterback eitherier either. How are

893
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: they so messed up in the cap That cap guy

894
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: is clearly over his head because they had to cut

895
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: Kyl Fuller, who now immediately goes to the Broncos for

896
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: like nine million bucks. Why aren't you going to the

897
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: Broncos because he was a pro bowler of Vic Fangio,

898
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: good player. I just don't understand how you have all

899
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: these cap troubles without a star quarterback. Like I understand

900
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,760
Speaker 1: how the Eagles or the Saints have some cap issues.

901
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: They've had thirty million dollar quarterbacks. Drew Brees is still

902
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 1: on the books, obviously, so was Carson Wentz. Chicago Bears

903
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: has never had a quarterback in my entire life? How

904
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 1: is this possible? Like? Do you not know what you're doing?

905
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 1: I I don't get it, but clearly I don't think

906
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: Ryan paces guy does. Okay, let's go a little Middlecoff

907
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 1: mail bag at John Middlecoff is the Instagram handle slide

908
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: up in those d m s and get your question

909
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 1: answered here on the podcast. I wanted to know what

910
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,280
Speaker 1: you thought about Washington's free agency. I like Curtis Samuel

911
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: move me too, William Jackson as well. I'm not quite

912
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 1: sure about Fitzpatrick. Here's what I know about the Washington

913
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:33,320
Speaker 1: football team formally known as the you know What's that

914
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: they have a good team. They have a playoff level coach.

915
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: They just need to get consistent quarterback play. If it's

916
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 1: Patrick played like he did last year for the Miami Dolphins.

917
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: I watched him come to San Francisco. He looked like

918
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 1: Dan freaking Marino. The reason they won ten games was

919
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: not to a tongue of blo it was Ryan Fitzpatrick.

920
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: If he can play like that, which usually he's a

921
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 1: very up and down player, they will be in the playoff.

922
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 1: They will win that division. I think it's fair to

923
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: say that he might not, but if he is just

924
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: five percent of last year, they'll be all right. One

925
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 1: thing he can do that Washington does not need is

926
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 1: turn the ball over because they're gonna play good defense.

927
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: But part of two is games pushing, you know, pushing

928
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 1: balls that he shouldn't throw. I remember John Gruden last

929
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 1: year when he came in and they beat the Raiders,

930
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:24,720
Speaker 1: was like, you know, he was just gonna make throws.

931
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: The tool wasn't gonna make so, but it'll also throw

932
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: picks that way. Question for the mailbag from Zach with

933
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: all these accusations coming out against the Shaw Watson thinking

934
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:41,720
Speaker 1: like a conspiracy theorist for a minute, any chance people

935
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: in the Texas organization Texans organization have a part in

936
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: this news coming out as a way to try to

937
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 1: keep him around a little bit longer. Dig Bow shows,

938
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 1: thank you appreciate it. There's a lot of unknown, but

939
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: here's what I do know it this whole thing, most

940
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: it just is weird and fishing if it ever comes

941
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,879
Speaker 1: out that the Houston Texans were a part of Like

942
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 1: I like most people, if you sexually assaul the woman,

943
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: you should go to jail. Now if things get made

944
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: up about you, that person should go to jail. To me,

945
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: it's very black and white. The problem is in the

946
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 1: in court. It's hard to prove, and a lot of

947
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 1: times these situations we don't even know how it ends.

948
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: I think as of recording this, there are twenty two

949
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: different individuals females accusing Deshaun Watson. That was the last

950
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:36,280
Speaker 1: I heard. If the Texans are associated with this, here's

951
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: my opinion. If they were behind this setup and this

952
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: takedown of Deshaun Watson, if it ever comes out that way,

953
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: cal mcnaro have to sell the team. Jack Easterby's career

954
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,359
Speaker 1: would be over. It would be period, point blank, end

955
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: of story. Cal If the Texans are behind it, it

956
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: would be over for cal mcnaro. The league would like

957
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 1: to kick him out to begin with, but like Donald Sterling,

958
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: you need a reason to kick him out. If they're

959
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: behind this is the reason. It would be one of

960
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: the biggest stories in the history of sports. Uh. Was

961
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: just curious about your thoughts on Kenyan Drake signing. It

962
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 1: seems like a lot of money for a backup, But

963
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if Gruden has seen the success of the

964
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns duo and wants to try to replicate that.

965
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 1: Do you think the overall the overhaul of the old

966
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: line was to get younger and more athletic for reasons

967
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: or strictly cap reasons? Uh? I think that one thing

968
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 1: I had heard is that Rodney Hudson was very, very

969
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: good friends with Gabe Jackson and Gabe Jackson was obviously

970
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: gonna be moved. He was either gonna be cut or traded.

971
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,760
Speaker 1: He was eventually cut or traded to the Seattle Seahawks.

972
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: That Rodney had become kind of a negative Nancy. Now

973
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: here's the one thing, like, I'm sorry, Roddy Hudson, pristine

974
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 1: character been around the Raiders for six years. Now. Granted

975
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: he was paid at premium, but being in that organization

976
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 1: could drive any sane man down bad path. I'm sure

977
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 1: many people listening have worked in toxic places and it

978
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: can put you in a fucking terrible mood. We're all humans.

979
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 1: I'm leaning Rodney Hudson over John Gruden. I would not

980
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 1: have got rid of Rodney Hudson. Kenyan Drake. I like

981
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: Kenyan Drake. Uh don't love paying multiple running backs because

982
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: you drafted Josh Jacobs in the first round. But here's

983
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: a simple reality. With Josh Jacobs, he gets banged up

984
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: a lot because his style. He's a physical back, so

985
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: you need reinforcements. And Kenyan Drake's a more just a

986
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: different type player. Right speed is elite? Um Yeah, I

987
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 1: like it, and clearly Gruden I think was quoted as

988
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,760
Speaker 1: saying he's been enamored with this guy for a long time,

989
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: so I I do get it. I've been seeing a

990
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: ton of comparisons between John Y Smith and Hunter Henry

991
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: to Gronk and Hernandez. What are your thoughts in the comparison. Personally,

992
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,320
Speaker 1: I don't think it's that close. I think both guys

993
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: in the mix of the old tight end group can block,

994
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: catch out run guys. Gronk was never burning in one

995
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: Hernandez was basically a big wide receiver. I love Gronk's

996
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: game and play, but these guys are both Swiss army knives. Yeah,

997
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 1: I mean Gronk and Hernandez were way better in these two.

998
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 1: I mean, Gronk is arguably the greatest tight end is

999
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: peak in the history of football. And Aaron Hernandez turns

1000
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: out absolutely despicable, trash human being. When I was with

1001
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 1: the Eagles, we played him, he was fucking unreal, unstoppable.

1002
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: But these two guys can't hold those two guys jocks. Now,

1003
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:33,439
Speaker 1: neither one of these guys. They're both kind of much

1004
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: more like an Aaron Hernandez because they're not blockers. They're

1005
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: really glorified. I'd say slot receivers, especially Hunter Henry Counter.

1006
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:45,879
Speaker 1: Henry is just a really good path so is Johnny Smith.

1007
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: And Johnny Smith hasn't really produced that much. But Belichick,

1008
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:51,959
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt.

1009
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 1: But I would say neither one of these guys have

1010
00:55:54,080 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: anything in common with with Rob Gronkowski. What do you

1011
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,359
Speaker 1: think on Collins take on the Niners setting themselves up

1012
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: to draft a quarterback, and do you agree they would

1013
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 1: need to trade all the way up to three or

1014
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 1: could they hold out until six or seven? I I

1015
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: think they need to get to three. I would do

1016
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 1: a deal pick twelve four, pick three next year's one,

1017
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: and like a third round pick, and I'd go get

1018
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 1: justin fields. That's what I would do if I was

1019
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: Skyle Shanahan, and like I talked about earlier, like you

1020
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: see what the Rams are doing, like that, that's in

1021
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 1: your division, I say an all the time with the

1022
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 1: Sampson Go Giants, like you're in the division now with

1023
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 1: the Padres who are up and coming and have a

1024
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 1: loaded roster and the powerhouse of the Dodgers. If that

1025
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: doesn't inspire you, you're in the wrong business. So I

1026
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 1: don't like chasing other teams, but when they're in your division,

1027
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: that's who you gotta beat. And while the Niners have

1028
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 1: been beating the Rams, Jared goss Cone and like, you're

1029
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: not gonna watch Matt Stafford play the Niners a couple

1030
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: of years ago he beat him. Why doesn't does Shahn Watt?

1031
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: Why doesn't de Shawn Watson retire and sign with an

1032
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 1: another team after next season? Go the Carson Palmer round? Well,

1033
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: if you remember Carson Palmer, you can't like the team

1034
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 1: hold your rights. Carson Palmer was traded to the Raiders

1035
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: for multiple first round picks, So that's just it's just

1036
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: not an option. I was wondering what your take on

1037
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: Sam Ellinger. I feel like he's not getting enough attention.

1038
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: He's a great talent, but it seems everyone is more

1039
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 1: fixated on the big four in the draft. Completely honest,

1040
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,439
Speaker 1: I don't watch that much Texas football, and a little

1041
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 1: bit I did watch, I thought he was all right,

1042
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:35,919
Speaker 1: you know, mid to late round guy, you know, maybe

1043
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: could be a backup. Obviously he's really athletic. Felt like

1044
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 1: he played in college for twenty five years. But I'd

1045
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: be lying to you if I said I had a

1046
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: great scouting report of Sam Ellinger. I think for the

1047
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 1: most part, I know there's a Dak Prescott and obviously

1048
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 1: a Brady I'm not in the mid to late round quarterbacks,

1049
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 1: like most of those guys are just not going to

1050
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: be any good. I'd rather just get an undrafted player.

1051
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 1: Why did the Packers draft A J. Dillon if they

1052
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: were just gonna overpay Aaron Jones love the pot. I

1053
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: don't think they overpaid him. They basically gave him thirteen

1054
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: million dollars guaranteed one year, thirteen million dollars. They let

1055
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: Jamal Williams walk Aaron Jones, you know, I know as

1056
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 1: comps kind of Camara like, right, he obviously catches the ball.

1057
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: A J. Dillon is, like, I'm trying to think like

1058
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: a Brandon Jacobs, like a big runner between the tackles,

1059
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 1: like a Chris Carson. Like that's ultimately I think what

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Speaker 1: you envisioned him being. That's not Aaron Jones. So you

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00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: get a little like thunder and Lightning and ag Dillon's

1062
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: cheap plus, Like you can't go best player available and

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Speaker 1: then not pick the best player available. They stuck. They

1064
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: have a best player available mentality, and that's what they did.

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Speaker 1: I don't hate it at all. I just started listening

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Speaker 1: to your pot recently and enjoyed it so far. Appreciate

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Speaker 1: that I wanted to ask a mail bad question about

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Speaker 1: Eric b Enemy. Despite being a successful coordinator of a

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00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 1: wildly successful offense, Andy Reid calls the place. But I

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Speaker 1: hear what you're saying. I think a lot of people

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00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:07,919
Speaker 1: are a little confused about why he hasn't been able

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Speaker 1: to land a head coaching job while coordinator is less

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00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: successful of offensive half offenses had it seems like he's

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00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 1: been unable to convince teams that the chief's offenses his doing.

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00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 1: Because it's true, I mean, it's Andy's offense. Why wouldn't

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00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 1: it be plausible route for him to take a college

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00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 1: head coaching job. I bet Texas or Auburn would have

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00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: jumped at hiring him if he had any interest in

1079
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 1: the last hiring cycle. Does NFL view more of those

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00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 1: jobs as a down move or lateral move for his

1081
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 1: or other coordinator gigs. It's a good question. Based on

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00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 1: who they landed, it seems like schools such as Texas

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00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: Auburn would have been all over him. I'm a huge

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00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: USC fan and feel like that's just one example of

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00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 1: a major job that might be open soon. I hear

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00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 1: what you're saying. And these jobs now in college pay

1087
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: a premier. Right, you can make six seven eight million

1088
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 1: dollars being a head coach. I think Starks making like

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00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 1: six right, Starks making huge money, and Eric b Enemy

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Speaker 1: probably makes let me just take an educated guests one

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Speaker 1: point three million dollars with the chiefs. Eric the Enemy

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Speaker 1: is a millionaire. Uh. I think it's a lot easier

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Speaker 1: to work in the NFL just because of the recruiting,

1094
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: even though I think the Enemy probably be a good recruiter.

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01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 1: He also was the offensive coordinator at Colorado when I

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01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 1: was scouting when John Embery, who's the forty tight end coach,

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01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 1: and it was a disaster. So maybe none of those

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01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 1: colleges are interested. Like part of the deal is we

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01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 1: can't keep going and listen. I mean, I know Andy

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01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 1: gives him a ton of credit and I'm not I'm

1101
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:37,959
Speaker 1: not trying to speak out of turn here, but let's

1102
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 1: is this is Andy's baby, It's Andy's offense. Now, I

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01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:44,439
Speaker 1: think he should be hired, but clearly the one thing

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01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 1: that keeps coming out is he doesn't interview well. Like

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01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 1: these teams. I mean they go in kind of unbiased

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01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 1: will hire whoever, and they just don't hire him, like

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01:00:55,520 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 1: Brandon Staley. Now interview you know an inner you doesn't

1108
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 1: mean you're gonna be a head coach, but it doesn't

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01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: mean you're gonna get a job or not. Brandon Staley

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Speaker 1: for the l A. Rams who interviewed with the Chargers.

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01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 1: They wanted to hire Brian day Ball and then they

1112
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 1: interviewed him with the charges and he blew them away.

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01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 1: You gotta interview Will It's part of the deal to

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01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 1: become a coach. How do you feel about the Steelers

1115
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 1: going forward as a fan? I think they're one of

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01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 1: the worst built franchises going forward and are gonna have

1117
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 1: a hilariously hard time rebuilding over the next five years.

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01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: Big contracts on guys due to regress like Hayward, Hayden

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Speaker 1: and Nelson let him walk, Minco and t J need

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Speaker 1: to get paid pay them, and in my opinion, our

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01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: receiving corps is grossly overrated. To be honest, I can't

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Speaker 1: think of a single position they don't need help at

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Speaker 1: and they don't have a lot of draft capital. Kind

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01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 1: of shows you the Steelers fans man fucking high standards

1125
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 1: right used to winning. You know, you know what the Raiders,

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01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 1: what like the Arizona Cardinals? What the hell the Niners

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01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 1: would do? For the consistent success the Steelers have had

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Speaker 1: over the last twenty years, do you know what? Multiple

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Speaker 1: super Bowls? But I like that, you know, that's that's

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Speaker 1: a great part about you know, having powerhouse franchises. There's

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01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 1: a reason most Alabama fans like anything less than SEC

1132
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 1: championship in a Final four bid as a failure. For

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01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 1: the Steelers, anything less than like a home playoff game failure.

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Speaker 1: You got an elite coach. Elite might be strong, a

1135
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 1: damn good coach, and a damn good general manager. Now

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01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna need a quarterback. So for all the other

1137
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 1: fluff you've had Roethlisberger over many years, who's covered up

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01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 1: a lot. Now you've obviously had other great players, Antonio Brown,

1139
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 1: like you said, some of the older guys on defense,

1140
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 1: Levy on Bell over that time, you're gonna have to

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01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 1: figure out your quarterback. To me, that's the number one

1142
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 1: thing you have to do. Devin Bush coming back off

1143
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 1: the injury, really good player. T J. Watt, elite player,

1144
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 1: make a Fitzpatrick elite player, Like you've got some elite

1145
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:51,479
Speaker 1: core pieces. On defense, you always draft well. On offense,

1146
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 1: you always find running backs, you always find offensive alignment,

1147
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 1: you always find skill guys. But you've been spoiled. You've

1148
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 1: had the same guy behind center for since two thousand four,

1149
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 1: and you're just gonna have to find a way to

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Speaker 1: replace him. And I don't really have you know a

1151
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 1: great answer for it, and I'm sure neither to you,

1152
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 1: and neither do the Steelers, Like what are they gonna do?

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01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 1: So I I don't think it's as dire as you think. Um. Also,

1154
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 1: like in your division, the Ravens aren't going away, but

1155
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 1: like until Lamar proves that he can become a great thrower, like,

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01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 1: they're not gonna just be some consistent super Bowl champion.

1157
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 1: And Baker has some limitations, so it's not like you're

1158
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 1: going up against Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson. In your division. Question,

1159
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 1: there's always the most focused on the quarterback position, and

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Speaker 1: this offseason seems like more of the same. It feels

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01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 1: like the Saints may move forward with Taysoon and Winston

1162
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 1: they did. Do you think it could work out for

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Speaker 1: teams in the future to carry two mediocre quarterbacks that

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01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 1: have different strengths obviously taste some more of a running

1165
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 1: quarterback where Breeze Winston or more traditional pocket passers and

1166
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 1: give the majority of the STAPs based on a game

1167
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 1: by game whichever gives you the better chance to win

1168
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 1: based on the defense you are playing and the score

1169
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 1: of the game. Have Taysom grind the clock out with

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Speaker 1: the lead or let Winston channel is TV days of

1171
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 1: chucking it down the field and hope the best when

1172
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 1: they get behind any chance. This becomes a new trend

1173
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 1: where you see Baltimore acquire more of a passing quarterback

1174
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 1: with a low cap hit for all those games where

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01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 1: the defense just matches up well against the running quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. Uh. In baseball, it's called platooning, right.

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01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 1: You have multiple guys to play left field. One guy's

1178
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 1: a left handed hitter, one guy's a right handed hitter,

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01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 1: and one guy plays depending on the starting pitcher. That's

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Speaker 1: just how you know the Billy being. You know mindset

1181
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 1: and philosophy that is spread all over baseball, including the

1182
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:41,080
Speaker 1: Dodgers and like the Yankees do it a little too,

1183
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 1: but all the Billy being guys in Tampa. They platoon

1184
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 1: problem is in quarterback, like you need an elite quarterback

1185
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 1: to sustain winning. So anytime I get I hear the

1186
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 1: word mediocre, he'll get exposed. And you can't just play

1187
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 1: the other guy because then whatever his weaknesses, he'll get exposed.

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01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 1: So you just need to find a way to find

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Speaker 1: a well rounded quarterback. And I think in two one

1190
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 1: it's a mobile not You don't need to be Lamar

1191
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 1: Jackson or even even Taysom Hill. You just need to

1192
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 1: be able to move around or keep plays a late

1193
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 1: alive with your leg. Jamis actually has pretty good pocket

1194
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 1: presence uh and can move For a guy that's not

1195
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 1: wouldn't be known as a great athlete. So I would

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01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 1: just go with Jamis Winston and then just keep using

1197
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 1: the Tastom Hill packages. But I don't see that being

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01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 1: a trend because no team, no owner, no coach, and

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Speaker 1: definitely no general manager would ever feel comfortable thinking that

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01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 1: they're starting quarterback for a given game by choice. It's

1201
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 1: one thing if your starter goes down, but by choice

1202
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 1: you're putting in an averager mediocre player at quarterback, because

1203
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 1: usually that equals losses. Right, think of the teams that win. Rogers, Russell, Brady, Roethlisberger.

1204
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 1: You know that's just Lamar Mames like, you're gonna need

1205
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl players to sustain winning, and the longer you

1206
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:03,000
Speaker 1: roll with more ultiple mediocre quarterbacks. Good thought, but it's

1207
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 1: just it's not it's not feasible. But again, I like

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01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 1: you thinking outside the but we need outside the box thinkers.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate everyone listening. Middlecoff mail Bag. Uh, tell your friends

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Speaker 1: about the podcast. I'm a big word of mouth grassroots.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy the week, godspeed, talk to you all later