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Speaker 3: When he beat me, I was that was the best

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Speaker 4: All my life, grinding all my life, sacrifics, hustle, pa price,

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Speaker 4: I be grinding all my life, all my life, grinding

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Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome to another episode of Club Sha Shay. I

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Speaker 1: am your host, Shannon Sharp. I'm also the proprid of

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Speaker 1: Club Sha Sha stopping by for conversation and a drink today.

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Speaker 1: Is one of the most accomplished and decorated fighters in

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Speaker 1: of all times, a warrior in the Opt to God,

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Speaker 1: a champion in every MMA organization he's competed in it.

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Speaker 1: A former UFC Light Heavyweight Champion and Heavyweight Champion, He's

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Speaker 1: the second fighter in UFC history to hold titles in

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Speaker 3: A UFC Hall of.

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Speaker 1: Famer, a two time Olympian, three time Louisiana state champion,

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Speaker 1: an All American freestyle wrestler, color commentator, world class talent,

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Speaker 1: a master on the microphone, a father, a husband, and legend.

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Speaker 1: DC could stand for double Champion, but in this case

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Speaker 1: it stands for Daniel Cormier.

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Speaker 3: Mom, Man, I.

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Speaker 2: Say it again, when you say it all, When you

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Speaker 2: say it all, man, I'm gonna tell you when you

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Speaker 2: say it all, this something Because I grew up in Louisiana,

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Speaker 2: I never could have imagined.

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Speaker 3: Really, it's life.

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Speaker 2: I swear to God I never could have imagined. And

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Speaker 1: Thanks for stopped by Club sha May you know when

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Speaker 1: you stopped by Club shay Shaw, you know you got

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Speaker 1: to have a taste of the yeah shave. Yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: it's good it's great.

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Speaker 3: You know anything about Conye.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't, but let me I'm gonna try that

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Speaker 2: always smell strong.

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Speaker 3: Too, ye see witsh it around.

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Speaker 2: Well that's pretty good. It don't even really yeah see

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Speaker 3: Yeah, set your hair off. Yeah no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: That's actually really good.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you when you hear what I read

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Speaker 2: But at thirty one years old, I was essentially making

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Speaker 1: Because normally guys that are really really good, they start

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Speaker 2: Not today.

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Speaker 3: His name was R. Jaffison. He went out there one glove.

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Speaker 1: Can't do that this The first two fights there were

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Speaker 3: But that's what drew you in. And then Royce wins

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm looking at his little dude said you about

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Speaker 2: But i had to grow so that My manager still

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Speaker 2: to this day, Dwayne, he calls me when I graduated

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Speaker 2: This is two thousand and one. He goes, there's a

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Speaker 2: Have you ever been in a fight like in your life?

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Speaker 2: I started laughing at him. I said, I grew up

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Speaker 3: Somebody's trying to punch you. Yes, you're trying to punch somebody.

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Speaker 2: So then when somebody taught me to punch, like, okay,

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Speaker 3: So it allowed for me to adjust to it much faster.

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Speaker 1: We're starting to see more athletes DC dominate In the forties,

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Speaker 1: a Kareem, I'll do it, Jaba, that'll be But he's

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Speaker 2: And I think that's why they're playing so long. But

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Speaker 2: But I will manage a game every now and again.

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Speaker 2: I'll give you one that goes a little deeper, right,

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Speaker 1: Like, man, I'm getting older, Did you do any did

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Speaker 2: and all it was was my bell just got wrong. Right,

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Speaker 2: I feel great, go into I win the belt back.

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Speaker 2: One month after that, I'm in the gym training. I

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Speaker 2: Now I'm paralyzed almost and from that moment on, I

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Speaker 2: A sneeze essentially ended my career because I never want

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Speaker 2: then he beat me the following that. It's like I

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Speaker 1: Thing to bounce back, because when you're younger, the ability

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Speaker 3: Like what year how old were you when you retired?

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Speaker 1: In training camp, we had you know, we're outside twice

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Speaker 1: a day, we hitting, we have some days we have

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Speaker 3: They're only hit no more, no, no, no, no, they

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Speaker 1: They were for real, real hit, and we hit for

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Speaker 1: So but I think it got our body used to

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Speaker 1: Do you think because you didn't have to wear and

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Speaker 1: like eight years?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I fought for eight years. Yeah, I was the champ.

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Speaker 2: I was in the championship for eight years. I fought

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Speaker 2: I had to defend. Sure, I was beating Steepe, but man,

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Speaker 2: by that that old monkey jump on my back in

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Speaker 2: It is the scariest thing that you could ever imagine

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Speaker 2: in your life. I've been in some some Harry siuations

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Speaker 2: that dude wants to kill you. Yes, if that like,

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Speaker 2: when you're like, you get off that stool and you're like,

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Speaker 1: I forget who it was, but I remember there was

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Speaker 3: And she, I forget the name.

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Speaker 2: She fought, Yes, she got knocked out. Then she she lost,

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Speaker 2: She lost, she lost Tate yep, Misa Tate yep.

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Speaker 3: I remember her saying.

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Speaker 1: That, and I'm like, boy, that's an awful time to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some questions before every time. Oh yeah, for sure,

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Speaker 2: And I was like, man, I couldn't do it, But

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Speaker 2: that's why people That's what people don't understand. When you

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Speaker 3: Yeah you got goose bump, You got goose bumps everywhere?

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Speaker 3: What's going through your mind?

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Speaker 2: Shannon. I'm in the back every time, and I would

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Speaker 2: go in same routine. I'm from Louise's superstitious. I go

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Speaker 2: But I knew that my preparation. I left no stolen turn.

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Speaker 2: I've done everything, so the result was done. Either I

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Speaker 2: settle yourself? I said, because I'm ready, But they would

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Speaker 2: I would be in the back, I get up, I

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Speaker 2: you walk in a minute, and you start hearing music.

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Speaker 2: All right, DC, you we're walking in five four three two,

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Speaker 2: I have gone left? I went to college, shennon, How

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 2: I hit that curtain? Thousands of people eighteen thousand. The

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Speaker 2: and the energy is just electric, and they're reaching for you,

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Speaker 2: and they're they want to pc you, and I couldn't.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't even handle it.

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Speaker 2: I would run to the octagon because it's just too much.

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Speaker 2: I'm already jazz. I can't take in any more energy

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Speaker 2: before I step in there.

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Speaker 3: Do you see them?

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Speaker 1: Because a lot of times you get you get into

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Speaker 1: a zone DC and you know, like you say it,

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Speaker 1: like you don't even you don't even see the people.

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Speaker 1: It's like a com Like I'm in a game and

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Speaker 1: it's like a com I don't even hear the crowd. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's like everything is just like hush, and all of

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Speaker 1: and if I can.

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Speaker 3: Hear it, yes, it's great.

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Speaker 2: But I could like I can't see him because I'm

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Speaker 2: wait trying to so I'm going second. When I hit that,

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Speaker 2: when I hit that, that freaking uh, when I hit that,

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Speaker 2: that step, those steps, I'd walk up and I taped

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Speaker 2: the tap the octagon. That was some football ship. We

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Speaker 2: dress to the dime. Yeah, there's some commissioners making sure

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Speaker 2: we don't fight before and then when they do the

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Speaker 2: right there, that hit the drop. I could hear it

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Speaker 2: twenty thousand in the arena and you can still hear that.

435
00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,520
Speaker 2: I can hear that pen. And then I would say

436
00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:03,879
Speaker 2: to myself, I swear to God. I would be like,

437
00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:05,040
Speaker 2: somebody got dying.

438
00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:07,680
Speaker 3: It ain't gonna be me, you swear to guy. Every time,

439
00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,600
Speaker 3: I'd be like, somebody gonna die here. I'm about to

440
00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,240
Speaker 3: make you go, make you go un lock that gate. Yeah,

441
00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,600
Speaker 3: I'm jump over there.

442
00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:18,040
Speaker 2: You don't either to jump over to run away from

443
00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:19,720
Speaker 2: me or they gonna pull me off of you by

444
00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:21,920
Speaker 2: the time this is done right. And that was always

445
00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,320
Speaker 2: my approach because you had to look at it like

446
00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:25,000
Speaker 2: life and death.

447
00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:26,000
Speaker 3: He just had it.

448
00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,639
Speaker 2: I had so many things I wouldn't eat. I would like,

449
00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,840
Speaker 2: I'm staying from sex. I wanted to be as primal

450
00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,119
Speaker 2: as I could be going into the octagon.

451
00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,200
Speaker 3: Would you cut? Okay? You had light heavy?

452
00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,680
Speaker 1: That weight is two oh five, So now so what

453
00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:41,520
Speaker 1: are you coming down from? You coming from two thirty?

454
00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,520
Speaker 1: You coming from two thirty five? You come from two fifty?

455
00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:44,199
Speaker 1: Where you coming from?

456
00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:48,560
Speaker 2: Deep Shannon, my nutritioness, was at my house for a

457
00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,199
Speaker 2: fight I was supposed to have in January, but I

458
00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,480
Speaker 2: got hurt the day before things given. He had a turkey, Brian,

459
00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:56,400
Speaker 2: a turkey and a brine. It was in a big

460
00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,200
Speaker 2: old pail. Yeah, it was white dude, Shannon. He was

461
00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:00,879
Speaker 2: gonna make us stay, give a dinner, but it was

462
00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:01,719
Speaker 2: not gonna be seasoned.

463
00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:03,960
Speaker 3: I got hurt right before Thanksgiving.

464
00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,400
Speaker 2: Man, we took that turkey, rints all that shit off,

465
00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,720
Speaker 2: made it ourself and season it. The next day. I

466
00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:12,640
Speaker 2: weigh two hundred and fifty seven pounds. Wait, wait, two

467
00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:13,520
Speaker 2: fifty seven.

468
00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:15,520
Speaker 3: And you gotta be two oh five in January.

469
00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,520
Speaker 2: January nineteenth, I weighed at two o four point seven.

470
00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,920
Speaker 2: I was to fifty seven. What that I was huge?

471
00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,359
Speaker 2: I was big, but like I wasn't tall.

472
00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:27,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know that's a lot of weight. Look in

473
00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:28,640
Speaker 3: a small area deep.

474
00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,560
Speaker 2: But when I would walk into the octagon, you could

475
00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,359
Speaker 2: see where the power was and my ass and my legs.

476
00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,919
Speaker 3: Yes, it was like that all this you're really explosive.

477
00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,359
Speaker 2: Exactly, and it was all in this right while I

478
00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:43,439
Speaker 2: was the shorter guy, short arms, Yeah, I had my

479
00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,680
Speaker 2: torso is not tall, but like it's in my legs

480
00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:50,400
Speaker 2: and that's why the explosiveness was always so on on display. Yeah,

481
00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:51,120
Speaker 2: it was good, but.

482
00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:52,200
Speaker 3: It was the It is the best.

483
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,280
Speaker 2: It's like walk, dude, when you're on when you're on

484
00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,080
Speaker 2: that sideline, and the national was playing that feeling. Yeah,

485
00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:00,400
Speaker 2: that's what we're feeling, bro, it's the best. It's lily,

486
00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,960
Speaker 2: I've That's why so many fighters end up on drugs

487
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:05,880
Speaker 2: and messed up because you can't.

488
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:06,400
Speaker 3: You can't.

489
00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,640
Speaker 1: You can't replicate that no, and that's why athletes struggle

490
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,320
Speaker 1: once they leave the said sport. It's because you're never

491
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,480
Speaker 1: gonna be able to replicate twenty thousand, eighty thousand, however

492
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 1: many thousand. You're never gonna be able to replicate the

493
00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,560
Speaker 1: locker room. You're never gonna be able to replicate the

494
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,480
Speaker 1: bus rides, the plane ride just to come Rodderie. Now,

495
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, but that's what you missed the most.

496
00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 1: That's what that literally is.

497
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,320
Speaker 3: The practices and afterwards just sitting there. Yeah, yeah, I

498
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:30,120
Speaker 3: didn't miss the games.

499
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,120
Speaker 1: I mean, the money was nice, but you just missed

500
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,280
Speaker 1: the camaraderie, the laughing and joking, you in the line,

501
00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,440
Speaker 1: stretching and doing all those things. Yep, you mentioned Anaheim,

502
00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,080
Speaker 1: you fought John Jones. I think you were thirty five

503
00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,920
Speaker 1: and he was twenty seven. Yep, if you guys were

504
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,159
Speaker 1: comparable ages, is that fight different?

505
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:49,000
Speaker 2: I think I think there are a lot of I

506
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,240
Speaker 2: think there are a lot of reasons why he beat me.

507
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,680
Speaker 2: He's I mean, have you met John Jones.

508
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 3: I haven't.

509
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:59,240
Speaker 2: John Jones is probably six five six four sixty five.

510
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:04,200
Speaker 2: John Jones's arms are eighty four inches apart. His reach

511
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 2: wow minus seventy two. Yeah, so like he was taller,

512
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 2: like a little so even at the same age, he

513
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 2: would still be taller. Yes, two of his brothers played

514
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 2: in the NFL. One was like really good chance. So

515
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 2: I think I would be better because I would be younger.

516
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 2: But I don't know if I could have been better

517
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,680
Speaker 2: in Anaheim because I trained so hard, because he beat

518
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 2: me the first time.

519
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 3: I've never been better. When he beat me, I was better.

520
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 3: I'd never been better.

521
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 2: I would have beat everybody else in the world and

522
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 2: in all those weight classes. I was never better than

523
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 2: that night and he beat me, and even the fight

524
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 2: up to the point that he got me, it was

525
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,119
Speaker 2: just super competitive. Joe Rogan said something to the effect

526
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 2: of you can clearly see you're watching the two best

527
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,400
Speaker 2: lightweights we've ever seen in an octagon because we were

528
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 2: both so locked in. So I don't know that the

529
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,199
Speaker 2: age made as much of a difference because I just

530
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 2: think that he has a lot of builten advantages with

531
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 2: his height and his reach, and he's got great timing

532
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 2: and he's tough, dude.

533
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 3: He's very tough.

534
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 2: Shannon like I would club him upside the head and

535
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 2: he would just keep fighting. He was just and not

536
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 2: many did.

537
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 3: That, and that's what I wanted.

538
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 1: What makes him because like you said, okay, he's he's

539
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 1: six foot four and a half, he's sixty five eighty

540
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 1: four inch reach.

541
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 3: He could punch you. He can take you down.

542
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 2: He don't hit very hard though his hands. He does

543
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 2: not punch hard. Really no, he does not punch hard.

544
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 2: He so we were I went into the fight. I

545
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 2: talked to Rashad Evans and versatus. He doesn't hit hard,

546
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 2: but he has other weapons. So we first started fighting.

547
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 2: The first time, we trade jabs because I had a

548
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,719
Speaker 2: real unique ability because of my athleticism to get to

549
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 2: the jab even though the guy was tall.

550
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 3: So we jab each other and.

551
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,159
Speaker 2: My nose started bleeding. I was like, well, why my

552
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 2: nose bleed? He don't hit it hard, right, my ship bleed.

553
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 2: His ship bleeding for different reasons.

554
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 3: But.

555
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 2: Going my ship bleed right, and I'm like, why is

556
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 2: my nose bleeding? I was like, why why ish you bleed?

557
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 2: So anyhow, he uh, we start fighting and I'm like, okay,

558
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 2: but I gotta pressure him because I'm shorter. Yo, you

559
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,640
Speaker 2: gotta walk through some razors to get to him. He's

560
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 2: got knees, yes, elbows that. So by the time I

561
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 2: get in, I've been needing the body three times.

562
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 3: I've been elbowed two times.

563
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 2: So now I get off, I get my ship going,

564
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 2: and then we get apart. So now I gotta go

565
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 2: all through the razors again to get my offense going again.

566
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 3: That's what makes him special. He's a special fighter, he

567
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 3: really is.

568
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 2: And I respect him for what he did inside the Octen,

569
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 2: mainly because he beat me on that night.

570
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:49,120
Speaker 1: Like and you said, that's the absolute bands DC has

571
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:50,120
Speaker 1: ever ever.

572
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:55,360
Speaker 2: Been, Shannon, I was. I was in such great shape.

573
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 2: My shoulders were like big. I was lifting, I was running,

574
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 2: I was training hard.

575
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 3: I auditioned, I was well conditioned. I was mopping.

576
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 1: You was ready to go five if if five, if

577
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 1: five is what is.

578
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 2: Required, because we went twenty five the first time, yes, right,

579
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 2: so and and my cardial failed me. Okay, so I

580
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 2: was like, I need to be better because it's going

581
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,679
Speaker 2: twenty five again. And then ultimately he got me with

582
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 2: the head kit. But uh, I was in shape, man,

583
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,360
Speaker 2: I was ready to go. My mind was strong, everything

584
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 2: was ready to go. Get the job done on that night.

585
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 2: But he was he got it done.

586
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:30,360
Speaker 3: He was what about him?

587
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 1: What if y'all had moved up, y'all similar ad Let's

588
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,439
Speaker 1: just say, for the sake of argument, you three years apart,

589
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 1: and now y'all move up and y'all fight heavyweight.

590
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 2: Na, he wasn't beat me at heavyweight.

591
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 3: He couldn't beat you.

592
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 2: I don't think so, because I was good at heavyweight.

593
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 2: Now I think I was probably better, probably a natural heavyweight,

594
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 2: way that financial weight, like my natural weight. But he

595
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 2: almost admitted it, he said in the time that we

596
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 2: were fighting. He goes, no, I'm not going to fight

597
00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 2: him at heavyweight. That would be giving him the advance.

598
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 2: He goes he's bigger than me naturally, and he goes no.

599
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 2: But then like a couple of weeks ago. He was

600
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 2: talking about me fighting. I was like, brou I'm forty

601
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 2: five years old. Man, I'm forty six. Now go fight

602
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 2: the dude that want to fight you. Like he got

603
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 2: a big old he want to fight you, not heavy,

604
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 2: talk about hour be I would beat DC at everywhere. Yo,

605
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 2: I've been I've been retired for five years. My brother,

606
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 2: go fight somebody else, like I'm good fight Tom aspinall.

607
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 3: When you and John got into it at the at

608
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 3: the press.

609
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 2: Or the very first yeah, what happened? Damn DC, Hey, Shannon,

610
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 2: it's so funny because MMA has struggled to capture the

611
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 2: urban audience.

612
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 3: Yes, it really has.

613
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 2: John and I are going to fight the first time

614
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 2: John and I have had We've always had a history

615
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 2: of not getting along great, right, So when the press

616
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 2: conference happened, we came forward to the forehead. I pushed him,

617
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 2: He pushed me. We flew off the octogen that was

618
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 2: right in the middle of football season. In every sports center,

619
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 2: everything led with that, correct, because it was that big.

620
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 2: Lorenzo Fortita told me, he goes, you guys would have

621
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 2: made so much money. He goes, you made great money

622
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 2: in January, but it was six months he goes, if

623
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 2: y'all fought in September, he goes, you can't imagine how

624
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 2: much money you would have made on pay per view.

625
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 2: But because the fire had died down a little bit

626
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 2: after six months past. But we had that moment where

627
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 2: the cameras, the cameras kept recording. It was just we

628
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 2: just didn't like each other. But after the fight, I

629
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 2: was in Newark, New Jersey, walking around like I would

630
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 2: always do, and that's when I realized that being in

631
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 2: there with him had changed the way the public perceived me. Right,

632
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 2: because I'm in a very urban neighborhood, very black, and.

633
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 3: Everybody's like, hey, hey, hey.

634
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 2: But I think it was because of what we did

635
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 2: for each other. Hate each other, dislike each other. We

636
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 2: did great business, and we did elevate each other to

637
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 2: the point that when I thought Steve a I was

638
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 2: able to elevate him because of the name recognition I

639
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 2: got from fighting John.

640
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 1: Look the elephant in the room I saw, Demetrius Johnson says,

641
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: because John Jones, the steroid is tied to his name, Yep,

642
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: he can't be in the gold Carvers.

643
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 2: I don't believe that. I don't believe that he should

644
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 2: be considered the grace of fall time.

645
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 3: I've said that you can't.

646
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 2: You can't chanting steroids. Yes, in fighting is much different

647
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 2: than anything else in the world.

648
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 3: They make you stronger, they make you faster, they give you.

649
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 1: Endurance, recovery ability when you train. That's what you that's

650
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: what it That's mainly what steroids does. It allows you

651
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: to go there and go hard and go hard tomorrow,

652
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: and go hard to day after, and go hard today

653
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: after and go hard today after.

654
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 3: That's when you grow. That's when you become better.

655
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: Yep, because it gets to a point where're like, damn,

656
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: I just I can't get I can't give you everything today.

657
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 3: Yes, but you can go back to back.

658
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 2: And that was me at thirty six, right, even know

659
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 2: I was the best I could ever be, the best

660
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 2: I could ever be. I'm working as hard as I

661
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 2: could ever work in my life, knowing that I have

662
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 2: to be ready at thirty six. He's twenty eight, right,

663
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 2: so he's in his prime. He's in his prime. But

664
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,479
Speaker 2: that's the fight that he actually tested positive and they

665
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 2: made it a no contest. So while he's doing that,

666
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 2: it's like, like you said, he's able to keep up

667
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 2: with me. Work wise, but exceed it because at a

668
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 2: point I got to say, hey, coach, I gotta take

669
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 2: a morning, man, I need it. Yeah, I have to.

670
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 2: I have to take a morning And I don't know

671
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 2: that he would need to do that. Yeah, so I don't.

672
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't know.

673
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: Did you suspect at the time when you were in

674
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: there waiting that there's something that might not be on

675
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: the up and up?

676
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 3: No?

677
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 2: No, no, no no, I didn't suspect. He felt like

678
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 2: he felt like he was always strong. He was always strong,

679
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 2: he was always big, he was always in shape. It

680
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 2: wasn't nothing that surprised me. What sucked was that was

681
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 2: that I felt like I moved past it, right, like, Okay, this.

682
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 3: Dude beat me twice and shit's over.

683
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 2: Like there's nothing I'm gonna to be the champion because

684
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:06,239
Speaker 2: if I can't beat nobody else is beating for truth, right,

685
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 2: I was like, if I ain't beating him, the rest

686
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 2: of these dudes ain't beating him, because I know how much, right,

687
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 2: Because when I fight the other ones, I destroy him,

688
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 2: right right.

689
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: Because they don't have the tool but they don't have

690
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: the toolbox he got now exactly. And plus he's sixty

691
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: five six four and a half. He's long, long limbs,

692
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: and he like he has it all. I mean, you

693
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: can need.

694
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 2: If he if you write a check a checklist of

695
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 2: what you want in a fighter. At two oh five,

696
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 2: the heavyweight John Jones, they're talking about the White House.

697
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 2: They're talking about a White House fight.

698
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 3: Art.

699
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 2: Hey, man, we gotta have some Americans win.

700
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 3: Yes, don't you know I don't like John Jones.

701
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 2: Is no secret.

702
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 3: The whole world knows it.

703
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 2: I say, man, y'all better put John Jones on there,

704
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 2: because right now we ain't got one American in the

705
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 2: top ten pound for bomb. I said, if y'all want

706
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 2: an American dude to go get a victory, put John

707
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 2: Jones in there because he gonna win. That's what he does. Yes,

708
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, I still don't believe,

709
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 2: and I agree with DJ. It's like you just can't

710
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 2: have that tie to your name, especially in fighting, and

711
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 2: people call you the greatest of all time. He's the

712
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 2: greatest talent the sport has ever seen.

713
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: Have we That's what I was about to ask you,

714
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: have we ever seen someone in that sport that possessed

715
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: the arsenal that he had no, No.

716
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 2: He's by far the He's by far the most talented

717
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 2: person that we've had in mixed martial arts in terms

718
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 2: of his his length, his skills, his mind. He's the

719
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 2: most talented guy we've ever had. We've had great fighters,

720
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 2: the Metrix Johnson's was amazing, Kabib is amazing. But Kabib

721
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 2: did it through great determination and hard work. He wasn't

722
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 2: Kabeb wasn't gonna run a basketball and shoot it John Jones.

723
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 2: They got a video John Jones trying to dunk a basketball.

724
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 2: You should see that. That's bad. But obviously he's an athlete.

725
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 2: Look at his family. Yes, right, yeah, yeah, he's the

726
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 2: best athlete we've ever had in terms of in terms

727
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 2: of the best of all time. I would never give

728
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 2: that because of that. Now, he's not the only guy

729
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,959
Speaker 2: I fought on steroids. I think that before they started

730
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 2: doing all that testing, all those guys are doing steric Really,

731
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 2: I really do they just they I mean many of

732
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 2: them had popped for steroids before and I fought.

733
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 3: Them, and they had they had figured out a way

734
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 3: how to cycle on and off.

735
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 2: So cycle on and off, or uh, cycle on and off,

736
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 2: or they just weren't testing right. I never took a

737
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 2: drug test until I got into the UFC.

738
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 3: I just went and fought.

739
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 2: So I don't know what those guys were doing. There

740
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 2: was a guy, now no, they said that this guy

741
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 2: got tested positive for something. They said, Yousada, who was

742
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 2: the testing commission at the time, bro, they got a bit.

743
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 2: They got a bit like I know when they're coming, right.

744
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 2: They would come at six am in the morning, and

745
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 2: I did. I got tested sixty five times from Ysada

746
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 2: from wrestling to them. But look at me, I'm not

747
00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 2: on steroids. But they were hitting the numbers. I said

748
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 2: that publicly one time, way back in the day. The

749
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 2: next time they came to them, I was at four

750
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 2: o'clock in the afternoon.

751
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 3: So they were watching.

752
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 2: But that because they had gotten like repetitive, they heard

753
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 2: fighter of doing it. One guy popped for something this year.

754
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 2: They got him at ten pm. They said, if they

755
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 2: were to let him go to bed and wake up

756
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 2: the next morning, they came testing him.

757
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 3: It had been gone twelve hours, twelve hours for that

758
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 3: to get out of his system.

759
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 2: It's crazy the level of stuff they have out there.

760
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: Well, it's just like anything. I mean, they're gonna come

761
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: up with something that that's ind and out. They got

762
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: these peptides and now see and didn't you didn't you

763
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: thought you're gonna have all that bite too. I don't

764
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: drink now, I don't got drink, it'll have the bite.

765
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: But then the viral video of you finding out that

766
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: he tests positive and you used to like you was

767
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: just so broken.

768
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 2: Hard, heartbroken. It's like it's like losing your first girlfriend.

769
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 2: I had a girlfriend growing up, and me and her

770
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 2: we went crazy. Right, you have sex for the first time.

771
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 2: It is all you want to do. I'm checking myself

772
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 2: out of school man to go meet this girl. She

773
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 2: checking herself out of school. She's up in the middle

774
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 2: of the night on the phone because her mom doesn't

775
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 2: let her use the phone. Our parents took us together.

776
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 2: They found out what we were doing. They sat us

777
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 2: in the front yard and told us we could not

778
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:17,240
Speaker 2: see each other anymore.

779
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 3: That's what it felt like.

780
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 2: Let me tell you something. I'm on the city bus

781
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 2: getting over that.

782
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 3: I'm thirty five cents. I'm going to her house. Who

783
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 3: was the mama go to work?

784
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: And you said it was like that, I will sign

785
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: on labor. I want to fight him.

786
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 2: Heartbroken because I know how hard I had worked. Again,

787
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 2: it was just like, Anaheim, I worked so hard to

788
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 2: prepare myself. We are when you're fighting, that's your business partner.

789
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 2: Imagine you're playing the Kansas City Chiefs and on Sunday

790
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 2: they just don't show up. Think about all week that

791
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 2: they just don't show on. But your game check is

792
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 2: tie to them showing up. Now you're like, hey, man,

793
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 2: you're hurting my business. I ain't know what the first

794
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 2: check looked like when we fought. I want that second

795
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 2: check and about the thing and hopefully we go a

796
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 2: third time, you know what it's like.

797
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 3: That was the hurd of it.

798
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 2: And then it was UFC two hundred.

799
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 3: Man.

800
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 2: We was we were on Good Morning America together. It

801
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 2: was big and I was like, man, we need a

802
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 2: It was I was heartbroken because it's not just me,

803
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 2: it was my entire team that worked so hard to

804
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 2: make sure I was prepared to fight that night. So yeah,

805
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 2: I said, I'll sign whatever I need to. But Dan,

806
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 2: it was like, come on, Dan, it was like, you

807
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 2: can't do that. You could tell he didn't want to

808
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 2: tell me that.

809
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 3: You could tell.

810
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 2: It was like he was like, can I talk to you?

811
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 2: I was like what do you need me? What do

812
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 2: you need? I was staying at the MGM signature because

813
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 2: I always stayed like at that small low one on

814
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 2: the side. He goes, can you come over to the

815
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 2: arena right now? And I was like why. I was like,

816
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 2: it's two in the afternoon. He goes, I want you to.

817
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 2: I have to talk to you out something really important.

818
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 2: So I walk over with my team. He's in the

819
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 2: back of that all way and he tells me and

820
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 2: he goes, we have to talk to the media. I

821
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 2: was like, damn, everything's in place, and I didn't know.

822
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 2: I was still just going about my day like I

823
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 2: was a little cut weight to make for the fight.

824
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 2: And he was like, you have to address the media.

825
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 2: It's horrible. I was up there crying and.

826
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 3: Shit, yeah, I know people, man, DC, what you crying for? DC?

827
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 2: Crying every time all drive They hadn't got me crying

828
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 2: multiple times.

829
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: Did you drive home from from from Did you fly

830
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: after you found out?

831
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 2: No?

832
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:32,280
Speaker 3: No, I fought. I fought.

833
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 2: Remember I fought Anderson Silver. Two days later they got

834
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:36,760
Speaker 2: Anderson to fight.

835
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, which was good.

836
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 2: I actually I got to fight Anderson Silver, which was awesome.

837
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 2: But they got Anderson said yes, not many people would

838
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 2: have done no, no, not two days.

839
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,760
Speaker 1: But is it hard because you're fighting a fight, Because

840
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 1: I've seen people take fights on short notice and kick

841
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,959
Speaker 1: the other fighter ass because he's not prepared to fight

842
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: that guy. You prepared to fight a guy with one

843
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: style and this guy has a different style, and you're like,

844
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: and something bad could have happened.

845
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 3: So I was surprised you even took that.

846
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 2: So I took the fight because I want, Dude, I

847
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 2: wanted to fight bad. Like when you want you want

848
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 2: to fight, you want to check, you want to fight,

849
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 2: you want to check, but you want to fight right,

850
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 2: like you have all that weight. I was already two

851
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 2: hundred and fifteen pounds, Like, I don't want to go

852
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 2: through all that. And then two months they go, you

853
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 2: gotta do it again, because as a champion, I would

854
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 2: fight two times a year max, right, So I'm like,

855
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 2: I don't want to have to go through that again,

856
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 2: so I would. I fought Anderson and it wasn't a

857
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 2: great fight because again I was so nervous. Dude, I

858
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 2: was in the octagu I looked across and I was like,

859
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 2: the very first UFC I ever went to, I went

860
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 2: to Philadelphia to watch Anderson silverad be Forest Griffin, and

861
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,280
Speaker 2: I mean Anderson was flexing on him. He's like moving sideways,

862
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 2: punching him with one hand. Force is just falling down.

863
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 2: He finishes the guy that was the UFC light heavyweight champion.

864
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 2: I was like, damn, this is crazy. I'm fighting Anderson.

865
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 2: I'm in the octagon. I go to the middle. When

866
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 2: I walk back to the size shape, I looked by

867
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 2: him and I said, oh my god, that's actually Anderson Silver.

868
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 2: Sand Like serious, I'm really fighting Anderson Silver.

869
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, that was the.

870
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 2: First I've never had that happen to me in my life.

871
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 2: It was always somebody's gotta die, except for when I

872
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 2: fought Anderson. I was like like, I don't want to

873
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 2: beat them. I gotta fight and Silver. But then once

874
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 2: I got then I start trying to kick. No, hey,

875
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 2: I never had that problem.

876
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 3: You don't take you don't take it.

877
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 2: Dan Henderson was my idol. He was on the Olympic team.

878
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 2: I choke him unconscious. Damn I beat the ship out

879
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 2: of him.

880
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 3: You don't feel bad.

881
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 2: Hell no, somebody gotta die.

882
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 3: Somebody gotta get it, all right, When you play your

883
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 3: brother in football, if you play star.

884
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we want to lose. No, I'm

885
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: trying to kill I'm trying to kill him and tell

886
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: him about it afterward. Yes, John retires and everybody's that.

887
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: Hold on, bro, you retired and then two weeks later

888
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: you're talking about you and protocol again testing protocol.

889
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, that pissed you off, didn't.

890
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 2: So when he retired, it didn't. I just want him to.

891
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 2: I want to see him fight Tom Aspernau. I just

892
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 2: want him. I wanted to see him fight Tom. He

893
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 2: good Shannon. He literally has everything you want in the heavyweight.

894
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 2: He's big, he's physical, he can wrestle, he's fast. Michael

895
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 2: Bisbee once said to me, oh, man, jell, he could

896
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,240
Speaker 2: be like Muhammad Alijah mmma. I said, man, you're going crazy.

897
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 2: I said you. You're a person that works at the company.

898
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,240
Speaker 2: You're a person that take people take your opinion seriously.

899
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 2: You cannot be that strong. On one side, he goes,

900
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:39,240
Speaker 2: I swear it's true. He's fighting the guy uh named Sergei,

901
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 2: who had knocked out ten straight people. Nobody can go

902
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 2: around with Sergey. Tom Asperinaux knocks him out in the round,

903
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 2: walks into the thing and hugs Michael Bisbeck. I was

904
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 2: like I thought, I said, Bisbal, I thought you were

905
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 2: like his advocate, you advocating for this dude. But like

906
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 2: he's actually that good, right, and then he beats up

907
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 2: on Curtis Blade. He beats everybody, And so when I

908
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 2: think about it, I'm like, Okay, now we get to

909
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 2: see John. Because John and I did this thing called CounterPunch. Well,

910
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 2: he sat on one side. I sat on the other

911
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 2: with Joe Rogan, and John said it was so it

912
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 2: was crazy because we just hated each other so much.

913
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 2: We're just talking. John said to me, he said, at

914
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 2: the end of the day, I'm better than you because

915
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 2: I'm younger. He goes, you can't beat me in the

916
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 2: basketball game. I go, well, that's debatable. You cannot swim me,

917
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 2: you cannot run me, he said, because every day you

918
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 2: wake up, you're a day older, and you look in

919
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,280
Speaker 2: the mirror and you see a thirty six year old man,

920
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 2: and I look in him in my absolute prime, I'm

921
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 2: twenty eight. He said. You can't be better than me

922
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 2: because the laws of life don't allow for a thirty

923
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,280
Speaker 2: six year old man to be better than a twenty

924
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 2: eight year old man. When we're doing the same thing.

925
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 2: Tom Aspinall is thirty now John Jones is thirty eight.

926
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 2: See I want to see it on the opposite side.

927
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: Because he said, and he said, well he should be favorite,

928
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: because you know he's much younger. And I've heard you

929
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: and other fighter say, well you were.

930
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 3: You the whole time.

931
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: The older guy gave you an opportunity, he dropped the latter.

932
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 1: So return the favor and give this guy. You don't

933
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: think there's any chance that John can beat him?

934
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:20,439
Speaker 3: I do.

935
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 2: That's the problem. If I had I said to MyD

936
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 2: I said, gun to my head. If I had to choose,

937
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 2: I would probably say John Jones wh win. It's all

938
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 2: I've seen him do. I've seen him fight. He's right,

939
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 2: he's everyone. This is always the next best guy. This

940
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,720
Speaker 2: guy is gonna beat me. This guy's gonna beat John Jones.

941
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 2: And what does John do? He vanquishes him, he beats him.

942
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 3: They said that about Gus.

943
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 2: They said about Gusta, saying about me, saying it about Rashad,

944
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 2: said it about Rampage, said it about Cyril gon I

945
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 2: mean he dirty Cyril gone up.

946
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: I've been the man, have been away for a hundred

947
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 1: years and walked through Cyril Gon like he was like

948
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: cerro Gon was me, And that was embarrassing.

949
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 3: That was DC that was embarrassed. That look DC, that hims.

950
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 2: Trying to stay off of Cyril Man because I like Cyril,

951
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 2: y know, when Cyril's on the ground, and he looked

952
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 2: at him like, I was like, he looked like he

953
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 2: saw a ghose. He was so in awe of John

954
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 2: that he couldn't even compete with him. I was like, bro,

955
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 2: he about to fight for the world title again. Imagine

956
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 2: if imagine if Cyril Gun winning John go okay, okay,

957
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 2: I'm back.

958
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, that would piss somebody off. That would piss

959
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 3: people off.

960
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 2: Because if Cyril beats Tom, because he's Cyril is that

961
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 2: good he is, He's that good.

962
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 3: He could beat Tom Aspernaut. But Dany ain't gonna let

963
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 3: that happen. What if John's like, yo, yeah.

964
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 1: You know, Daniel won't let that happen. Daniel will not

965
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: let John come back and fight Cyril Gun for the

966
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: heavyweight title.

967
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,439
Speaker 3: He's like, no, no, that you gotta fight ultimate move

968
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 3: of all time. I would laugh at that shit.

969
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 2: I would be happy, like John, You'll you'll get over

970
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 2: that one.

971
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, you say you can't put John as you go,

972
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:57,760
Speaker 1: give me my Rushmore.

973
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 2: Fighters, Dimitri Johnson, George Saint, Pierre Kulbe. Kulbee was undefeated,

974
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 2: nobody be him fourth. God, that's where it gets tough.

975
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 3: That's where it gets tough because you.

976
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 2: Feel like you want to put Like when we talk

977
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 2: about just accomplishments, no one's more accomplished than a man

978
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 2: the new nest can can I really put her on

979
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 2: the Mount Rushmore of fighting?

980
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,280
Speaker 3: But George Demetrius kubeeb.

981
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 2: God, there's some good guys. Chuck Ladell was good man.

982
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 2: Chuck Liddell's kind of responsible for us being here. Randy

983
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 2: Cooltur won two titles in his bracket. I think that

984
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 2: fourth place would belong to one.

985
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 3: Of those guys.

986
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 2: I think somebody like that because I can't put I

987
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 2: would never put myself up there, right, But I'm like,

988
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 2: right in that four to seven range, I.

989
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 3: Thought you might put Anderson.

990
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 2: Anderson had the uh Anderson had the steroids right Like,

991
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 2: it was like, I can't put Anderson like I would

992
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 2: like to put Anderson.

993
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:02,720
Speaker 3: If I'm saying all those guys.

994
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 2: Included, then obviously John and Anderson are on that Mount

995
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 2: Rushaboret But I don't do that. I don't. I refused it.

996
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 2: It's not in fighting. Barry Bonds was in a Hall

997
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 2: of Famer before he even went to San Francisco. Correct, right, Plus,

998
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 2: he's hitting with a baseball bat, He's not punching someone

999
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:20,919
Speaker 2: in the face.

1000
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 3: Women fighters? What did what did Ronda Rowsey do for email?

1001
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 2: Everything?

1002
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:29,879
Speaker 3: For women?

1003
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 2: They know on the record said I will never have

1004
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 2: women fighting in the UFC or something very close to that.

1005
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 2: Then Ronda came along and she just opened up the floodgates.

1006
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 2: And now Dana goes very in his life, very rarely

1007
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 2: does he make decisions where he's like, I really messed up.

1008
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 2: He openly goes. Ronda Rowsey coming in and making me

1009
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 2: take on female fighting. He's one of the best decision

1010
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 2: I've ever made because it gave me a man, the

1011
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 2: new nest. He gave me Jeang Wayne Lee, Valentina chef Chenko.

1012
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 2: It's like all these women to have an opportunity because

1013
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 2: of Ronda. No, Rhonda Ralsee like, I don't know if

1014
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 2: women still today fighting the UFC, that's how important she is.

1015
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 3: Could she have been better?

1016
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 2: I think she was at the right time. Also right,

1017
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 2: the girls just weren't well rounded enough to compete with her.

1018
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 3: And when she got somebody that will's well around.

1019
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 2: They You saw what Amanda did to I saw Holly Holm.

1020
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 3: That was probably the beginning of the end, wasn't it.

1021
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know again like you know when it's done.

1022
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 2: But at the end is when the money gets better

1023
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 2: than them men. So yeah, she couldn't have beat them.

1024
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 2: If she couldn't have beaten Holly, she was not going

1025
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 2: to beat Amanda, No, but I think it was just

1026
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,720
Speaker 2: such a great pull to have her back that she didn't.

1027
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: You mentioned this the UFC at the White House, Danna. Look,

1028
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: I was at the when they had it at the sphere.

1029
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 3: I went.

1030
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:54,280
Speaker 1: It was amazing. It was amazing. And I wouldn't put anything.

1031
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: If Danna say they're gonna have a fight on the moon,

1032
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: I don't know where their line flying to the B,

1033
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:02,919
Speaker 1: but it's gonna happen.

1034
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 3: It's gonna happen. If he's saying they're gonna have it

1035
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 3: on the White House lawn.

1036
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: Now, I don't know how they go pad everybody down

1037
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,479
Speaker 1: and frisk everybody to do background checks because and maybe

1038
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: it's just closed circuit and they're really only a handful

1039
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: of staff there.

1040
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 2: No, no, I think it's gonna be an event. They

1041
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,439
Speaker 2: said they want twenty thousand in there at.

1042
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 3: The White House.

1043
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 2: At the White House, they got an East egg hunt

1044
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:25,720
Speaker 2: the White House when.

1045
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 3: He put twenty eight thousands. But them kids, I didn't.

1046
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 2: Shannon, short of God, Shanon, I sort of got. I

1047
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 2: was not believing it until I saw that they have

1048
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 2: that Easter egg hunting.

1049
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1050
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 2: I was like, wow, well that it's possible. Because right now,

1051
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 2: when when Trump goes to a fight, yeah, we get

1052
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 2: background checks.

1053
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 3: Yes, the night before they go to.

1054
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 2: The arena, they're shit sweeping sweeping the fight before he

1055
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,959
Speaker 2: shows up. I don't know, but they I told Dana

1056
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 2: this recently. We were in New Orleans and I said,

1057
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 2: you're going to the White House for real? He goes,

1058
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 2: I said, because you said we got a year, we're

1059
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 2: a year away. Yeah, he was talking about he was

1060
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 2: talking about something on an interview, and he goes, we

1061
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 2: still got a year. The world's gonna change in MMA.

1062
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 2: By that point, I said, you're speaking in definites. I go,

1063
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 2: this is happening. Yes, We're we're gonna go watch a

1064
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 2: fight at the White House. That's crazy.

1065
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,719
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Speaker 1: You said, look, we don't have really any Americans in

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Speaker 1: the pound for pound top ten.

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Speaker 3: And we just can't have.

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Speaker 1: You know, barn is coming in and win in all

1101
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 1: the fighting at the White House, so we got to

1102
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 1: you gotta put John Jones.

1103
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 2: John called, but I'm calling him Captain of America. But

1104
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 2: but somebody gotta win.

1105
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 3: But Dana don't.

1106
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: But Dana wants for sure things, knows that guys are

1107
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: gonna be he can count on.

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00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna fight at the White House. He

1109
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 2: has to he has to fight at the White House, jont.

1110
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,439
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know why he won't fight this, dude,

1111
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 2: I said this if I was still fighting out a

1112
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 2: fall time Asphal already. I just want to did it.

1113
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:43,240
Speaker 2: Like the bigger the challenge, the better, like go prove yourself.

1114
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 2: But I don't know why he'll do it. But he

1115
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 2: might have to fight Tom Asphal. Like you said, Dana's

1116
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 2: gonna make him fight Tom.

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00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: What I mean, how much money would they need for

1118
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: DC to come out of retirement the White House?

1119
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, they got twenty million for you.

1120
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 2: Still not doing a shit. Say, I can't trade, I

1121
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 2: can't train. I go, let dude, I'm doing CrossFit, I

1122
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 2: do little. I was just today practicing and how I'm

1123
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 2: gonna do su more uh dead lifts. I'm like, I'm

1124
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,720
Speaker 2: doing supermore dead lifts. I'm like that's I'm just getting

1125
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 2: excited to go do my supermo dead lifts and say, hey,

1126
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 2: I can't find because I can't. I can't.

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00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 3: I was.

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00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 2: I was sparring the other day.

1129
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:20,240
Speaker 3: I started.

1130
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 2: I started a team of guys that I'm training and

1131
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 2: helping career their career.

1132
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 3: I was sparring.

1133
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 2: One of them punched me in my rib with a

1134
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 2: straight right hand boot right here, dude. It was the

1135
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 2: most painful shot I taken. My rib come out, right,

1136
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 2: my rib come out. I'm in pain, Shaan. I can't

1137
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 2: get off my couch. I'm just like every time I

1138
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 2: get off my couch, I'm rolling to my knees to

1139
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 2: then push up because I can't squeeze my core. Every

1140
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 2: time I squeeze, my cord hurts and I get I go,

1141
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 2: I go take a nap. I'm just sleeping. I guess

1142
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 2: I'm because I'm sleeping rolling I sleep, I roll over

1143
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 2: the top of it, pop it back in place. But

1144
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:00,320
Speaker 2: I'm like, I couldn't do this every day like I

1145
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 2: used to. I always had separated ribs of black guys.

1146
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 2: I just couldn't do that anyware. This life is too comfortable.

1147
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 3: What I do now. You make good living. You don't

1148
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 3: need to go big punch kicks.

1149
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 2: I don't want to fight no more man plus like,

1150
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 2: come on, go put some paths on, go tackle somebody.

1151
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 3: No no artificial hells bone. I'm good. The pain is

1152
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 3: too great.

1153
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 2: I think that's what people take for granted, like how

1154
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 2: great the pain is that we endure.

1155
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 3: To do what we did right, it sucks.

1156
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: I mean before I got my heaps replaced DC, I

1157
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: just thought the pain that I was in was normal

1158
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: because I had dealt with it for so long.

1159
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you get there and you're like, okay, this

1160
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 3: is my new normal. And then the doctor says, no,

1161
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 3: you don't have to live like that.

1162
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 2: How much better does it feel?

1163
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 3: A thousand? Really?

1164
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: I mean there was no position that I could get

1165
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: in that was comfortable. If I laid down, it hurt.

1166
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,919
Speaker 1: If I stood, if it hurt, it walked, it hurt,

1167
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: Sitting hurt, standing too long it hurt. There was no

1168
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: position in which my body did hurt. My hips didn't hurt.

1169
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 3: I got it.

1170
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 2: I don't have that, Thank God, I don't have that. Yeah,

1171
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 2: because that that ship seems.

1172
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 3: So it is. What about what about Connor McGregor at

1173
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 3: the White House? Oh ye, ship man, it's over, it's over.

1174
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 2: The man. This dude, Connor McGregor, he is trippingreg.

1175
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 3: He made too much money, huh, he made way too much.

1176
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 2: He went from plumbing to making He sold that liquor

1177
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 2: from what five hundred million?

1178
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 3: Too much? He got a hundred million for fighting one

1179
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 3: hundred maion fighting floor.

1180
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 2: Then he was doing pay per views like nothing human

1181
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 2: could be the two and a half million pay per views.

1182
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 2: He made too much money. Connor says he wants to

1183
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 2: fight all the time, and everybody kind of they jumped

1184
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 2: to it, but it's like he wants to stay relevant,

1185
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 2: he wants to stay in the news. He wants to

1186
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 2: stay he wants to notariety of being Connor McGregor without

1187
00:52:56,560 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 2: having to be Connor McGregor. And that kind of sucks

1188
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 2: because when he was the man, I bet you tapped in,

1189
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 2: Oh you bet you tapped.

1190
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 3: Into the UFC more because he could because he could

1191
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 3: sell a fight.

1192
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 2: He could sell a fight.

1193
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 3: He could sell it.

1194
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: But him and kuld Be was the best. Did you

1195
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 1: think he was just one dimensional? And that's why he

1196
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:15,879
Speaker 1: was good.

1197
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 3: He was very good. But when he when they got

1198
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 3: him on the ground, DC, he couldn't get up.

1199
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,359
Speaker 2: They couldn't get him on the ground. Kabeb got him. Yeah,

1200
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 2: that Kabe was a different personal like.

1201
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 3: Him, and kabb really didn't like you, Joe. That's pert

1202
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 3: you know.

1203
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 1: Sometimes you're like, oh, we just selling the fight, but

1204
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: it seemed that it was it was a little more

1205
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: to it, like he like Kabeb sincerely and genuinely did

1206
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: not like her.

1207
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 2: He hates He won't say his name. Still today he

1208
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 2: still does not say.

1209
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 3: His name because he said religion.

1210
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 2: He still won't say his name. Last week he did

1211
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 2: an interview in New York. He says, this guy, he'll

1212
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 2: never say his name.

1213
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 3: He hates him.

1214
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 2: Dude. They're in the octagon and Connor goes. He whispers

1215
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 2: after the third round, after Kabe, it's just business could be. No,

1216
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 2: it ain't, No, it ain't. You don't mess with them dudes. Man,

1217
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 2: the Russian dudes there.

1218
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: And then when he like when he had him, the ref,

1219
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: the ref had to do a little bit. Actually, DC,

1220
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: you saw that DC. He wasn't gonlet He wasn't gonna

1221
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: let him go.

1222
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 3: He was gonna put him to sleep. Shad.

1223
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 2: He was holding him and he said, I kicked your ass.

1224
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 2: I kicked your ass. And he kind of was like

1225
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 2: then he jumped over the fence. Yes, and try to

1226
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:26,959
Speaker 2: beat his team. He's like you, I was like, WHOA.

1227
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 3: But dude, he had him.

1228
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 2: He was not going to let him go because he

1229
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 2: felt so his family got so disrespected by this dude

1230
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 2: that he wanted to end them. And and honestly, sometimes

1231
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 2: you bite off more than you can chew. Yeah, because

1232
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 2: he because kind of got beat bad that night. He did,

1233
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 2: he got beat bad. I mean, but here's the thing

1234
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 2: that that kind of made Kube. He really did make

1235
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 2: Kabe the biggest, a bigger star. Like we talked about

1236
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 2: me and Jones. He Kabe went from I think he

1237
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 2: had two or three million followers on Instagram the next

1238
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,760
Speaker 2: morning ten million. Wow, after that fighting all that happened,

1239
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 2: ten million, crazy seven million at night. That's a big jump.

1240
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 3: You think Kabeb would come out of retirement.

1241
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 2: Kabib told me we did a thing in a while

1242
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,399
Speaker 2: back when Kabebe said they offered him forty million dollars

1243
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 2: to fight. He said, no, he ain't coming back. If

1244
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 2: they offered him forty million, he hasn't come back yet,

1245
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:27,240
Speaker 2: he ain't coming back. No, No, Dougas I bet at Douggason,

1246
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 2: you can make a million dollars and be good for

1247
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:29,399
Speaker 2: the rest of your life.

1248
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, right in that place. Well, if they offered Kabe

1249
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 3: forty million, what they offer John Jones? If I asked Ana, I.

1250
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 2: Think they offered I Johnson, he warnted thirty and I

1251
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 2: think they got the money. They got thirty for me,

1252
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 2: and he said, though they got thirty for me. He said, hey,

1253
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 2: let me tell you something.

1254
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 3: I just told you.

1255
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 2: I'm barbecue meat thirty.

1256
00:55:55,200 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 3: Hurt shit. I might test positive after he's over. What

1257
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 3: is it about?

1258
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 1: What is it about Dagastan that the guys that are

1259
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 1: taking wrestle Now, look, I've seen somebody follow somebody like

1260
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: those wrestlers. Wrestlers, Yeah, they really I'm talking about those

1261
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: guys that go to the Olympics. That's a whole different level.

1262
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:18,879
Speaker 1: How did they get so good?

1263
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 2: They just so over there. They put them in wrestling,

1264
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 2: they put them in both styles. Then at like five

1265
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 2: six years old, they identify like where are kids going

1266
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 2: to be better? And that's all they do all the

1267
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 2: way up to school. Kab Kabeban Islam started doing somble

1268
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 2: when they were super young together right with his dad.

1269
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 2: So their whole life they did combat, somble combat, soamble

1270
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 2: was actually like geek tops punching, grappling, like they were

1271
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 2: essentially doing mma as like kids, right, and then just

1272
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 2: keep getting better. I think I think I think from

1273
00:56:55,480 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 2: my son right too, how have the mentality that I

1274
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 2: have or had? It's impossible his life's too comfortable. Yeah, okay,

1275
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:12,359
Speaker 2: his life's too comfortable. You and your brother and your

1276
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 2: to your children, they can't even make themselves think like

1277
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 2: you did growing up, where you grew up.

1278
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 3: And how you grew up. So it's like.

1279
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 2: They all live like that because while Kabeb, I want

1280
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 2: to see Kobeb's son and then the next Islam's son,

1281
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 2: then we could see how it does over there because

1282
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 2: for them it was the way to live and change

1283
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 2: all of their own just like us. Yes, right, it's

1284
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 2: like yes, we're almost like desperate. That's one of my

1285
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 2: kids like playing football and he's like, I want to

1286
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 2: do this and I want to do this. I go, well,

1287
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 2: you gotta be at every practice. You gotta go with

1288
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 2: your individual coach, like you got to go on Sunday

1289
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 2: whenever you go do all your speeding agility. You have

1290
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 2: to get up early in the morning to lift weights.

1291
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 2: I go because while you are living where you live

1292
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:04,439
Speaker 2: and how you live, there's a kid like me that's

1293
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 2: doing the same thing, but without the fallback of what

1294
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 2: my dad did to make sure that I'm okay when

1295
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 2: all this is done. So I don't know that we can.

1296
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 2: How does Christian McCaffrey develop the mentality that his father had.

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Speaker 2: Unless his father came on a whole from you know ed,

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00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 2: maybe he had a whole bunch of money. But I

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00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 2: don't know, how does he develop that mentality.

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00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 1: I'm a firm believer when I look at the Mannings,

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00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 1: Ye them Archie Manning and and his his and Peyton

1302
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 1: and Eli.

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00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 2: They just teach him.

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00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:32,919
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1305
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 1: I mean it's something special for you too, for your

1306
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 1: dad to have and says no, I want to get it. See,

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00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: I still have a healthy respect for Brownie. Yes, because

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00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: he's still you know, he the likelihood or if you

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00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: having a historically or a transcendent great parent and then

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00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 1: the child be equally as transcendent and great.

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Speaker 3: No, it's just not going to have though.

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00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: If great King Griffy Kreen Griffy Senior was a good

1313
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 1: baseball player, but he wasn't junior Bobby Bonds was an

1314
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: unbelievable player, he wasn't Barry No. No if so to

1315
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 1: ask Kareem had Son, Magic got Son to ask their sons,

1316
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: their probably to be just what your It ain't happening.

1317
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 3: So for the dad for Ken, Griffy Jr.

1318
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 2: And Barry, their dads were good, Yes, they just wasn't them.

1319
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 2: They weren't them, So the second one was better. But

1320
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 2: to ask the next one to be better than the

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00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 2: one that's the greatest.

1322
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: Just imagine Barry Bond's son being Barry Bonds were better. No,

1323
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: it's like it's like Vladimir Garrel.

1324
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was really good.

1325
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 2: But his son now is with the same name, yes,

1326
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 2: with the same name, better than his dad. That's crazy.

1327
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 3: So for him to have another one that does that

1328
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 3: will be very hard. But like, so.

1329
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 2: Wor's like Worre's Peyton's son. Where's Eli's son? Peyton said,

1330
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 2: his son went to his camp a couple of weeks

1331
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 2: before I saw that.

1332
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 1: Yes, but is he gonna it's gonna be It's gonna be.

1333
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, it's gonna be hard. Yes, Tom

1334
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: Tom had has a son, yep, but you but here's

1335
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: the thing. But yeah, his other son, right, So just

1336
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 1: imagine Tom Brady, Tom Brady's son Benjamin being as good

1337
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 1: as Tom. God even to bless you like that, bro,

1338
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, even to bless you.

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01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 3: I don't think so. Man.

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01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 2: It's hard, yes, but they get like like but even

1341
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 2: for Lebron James Junior, Yes, Lebron James Junior. Yes, to

1342
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 2: be in the NBA, it's nuts. And then to have

1343
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:36,919
Speaker 2: another one that's supposed even better than.

1344
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 1: The other one, Yes, but to expect them and I

1345
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 1: think the thing is Bron's done everything right, Yes, but

1346
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 1: to expect a child to be Lebron or Kareem's son

1347
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 1: to be him, a magic son, to be him. Come on, bro,

1348
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 1: that that's not about to happen. Lebron James Junior.

1349
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 2: If he can go and if he can stay in

1350
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 2: the league for ten years, that to me would be astounding,

1351
01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 2: because and.

1352
01:00:58,040 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 3: He will, he will.

1353
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 2: But to be in there ten years after what your

1354
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 2: dad did with all that pressure from the moment he

1355
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 2: picked up a basketball, there was pressure on him.

1356
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 3: Because the expectations you got to be because everybody know

1357
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 3: who your dad is.

1358
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 2: My son would wrestle and I would see people you

1359
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 2: just I just why kid, just beat DC's son.

1360
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 3: I'm like, but.

1361
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:22,439
Speaker 2: It's not you didn't, right, I just beat d C's boy.

1362
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 1: I had Kim Gradford Jr. On And when his son

1363
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 1: Trey was coming up, he played baseball and the people

1364
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: in the stand would say he ain't his dad, and

1365
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 1: his dad would say name five people.

1366
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 3: Who are who ooh, I like that. So what would

1367
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 3: they say that you couldn't say anything? I mean, yeah,

1368
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 3: I want you know. He was an m v P.

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01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 3: He I mean he did everything.

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01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 1: Yes, he's one of the greatest. He's one of the

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01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 1: greatest players. I mean the sweetest wing ever is six.

1372
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 2: On the home Come on, he ain't gonna be him.

1373
01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 1: No, it's okay, but the kid have to accept that.

1374
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 1: That's okay. And a lot of people you were having

1375
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 1: we were having a conversation about my brother. I embraced it.

1376
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 1: See I never lived in the shadow. I embraced it.

1377
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 1: Every number he had I got the exact same number.

1378
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 1: He was three in high school. I was three in

1379
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 1: high school. He was two in college. I was two

1380
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 1: in college.

1381
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 3: He was eighty four. I was eighty four. Every card

1382
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 3: that he had I got.

1383
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 1: So I never looked at like and when people told me, man,

1384
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be like your brother, watch, watch me watch.

1385
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 3: But not many people have that.

1386
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have that dog in him, like that, like

1387
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 2: there's there's a dog about that mentality that most people

1388
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 2: don't have. Yes, especially kid, especially a kid that wakes

1389
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 2: up and he's sleeping in a beautiful home with everything

1390
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 2: he ever want in his life. Like it's hard for

1391
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 2: that kid to go. Yeah, my kid gets up in

1392
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 2: the morning at six thirty three days a week and

1393
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 2: he lifts weights. My kid does wrestling practice at two

1394
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 2: o'clock in the afternoon. Then he goes to football practice

1395
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 2: at five thirty in the afternoon. He does that four

1396
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 2: days a week. Then on Sundays he meets with with

1397
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 2: his private coach to do football training where he does

1398
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 2: speed agility, he catches passes, he goes through his coverages

1399
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 2: and his reads. For me, that's my son going, Dad.

1400
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 2: I want to try to do something great, I said, Pop.

1401
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 2: If it works, awesome, if it doesn't, you gave himself

1402
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 2: a chance. You took advantage of every opportunity you had.

1403
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 2: Everything that we have accrued, you use to try to

1404
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 2: better yourself. If it works, great, if it doesn't, you

1405
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 2: never skipped out on the work. That's all I care about,

1406
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 2: And I'm fine with that. And maybe it does, maybe

1407
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 2: it doesn't. But he's given himself a chance even though

1408
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 2: he doesn't have to.

1409
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 1: That's what I loved. How did you and Kulbe he

1410
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 1: become such a great fan.

1411
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 2: That's my boy, right there man. He walked into the gym.

1412
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 2: He walked into the gym by himself. King Mola Wall

1413
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 2: brought him from New Jersey. He wanted to come and

1414
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 2: train with all the wrestlers. Barely spoke a liquor English,

1415
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 2: walked in the gym. Stayed at an Extended State America

1416
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 2: right up the street from Aka, and he would walk

1417
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 2: back and forth by himself from the hotel to the practice.

1418
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:17,439
Speaker 2: And on his first day, I was like, oh, little

1419
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 2: Russian kid, because I spent a lot of time there

1420
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 2: when I was wrestling. We started kind of talking a

1421
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 2: little bit, and it just it grew, and then I

1422
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 2: just understand how much of a he's like a really

1423
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 2: good human being. He's a good person, real strong values,

1424
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 2: and he's the best. I think he's the best fighter ever. Really,

1425
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 2: I do, Yeah, I do. I saw a kid that

1426
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 2: came in there with limited striking. He told you exactly

1427
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 2: what he was going to do every single time, and

1428
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 2: he did it. He was beating Michael Johnson up one time,

1429
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 2: telling him, brother, you know I deserve a title fight.

1430
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 2: You need to give up, Like that's how dominating.

1431
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 3: And he's start in the pocket with Connor knocked Conna

1432
01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 3: that knocked him down.

1433
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 2: After Connor had bought exployed Maywell for nine rounds, he

1434
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 2: stood with him and knock him out. Yeah. I think

1435
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 2: he's the best man. I think he's he just stands

1436
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 2: for something so much bigger than just fighting. And I

1437
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 2: think he like I think he, I think he, uh,

1438
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 2: I think he he. I think he.

1439
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 3: Obviously he elevates the people.

1440
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 2: Around him, which is very important, but he also is

1441
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 2: like a He's like a guiding light for a lot

1442
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 2: of people that follow him, and he does things the

1443
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 2: right way.

1444
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 1: There's this viral clip going around that he refuses to

1445
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 1: shake this lady's hand, how to respect for his wife.

1446
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:36,920
Speaker 2: Yep, and is religious religion and if you know his religion,

1447
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 2: that's that's that's the way it is right. But not

1448
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 2: many men are willing to do that, especially in that moment, right.

1449
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 2: Kate Kate, Kate Scott, Kate Kate Scott. She's She's a

1450
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 2: great and listener. But I think the reason that got

1451
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 2: so odd was because that kid reacted the way that

1452
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 2: he did. There was a YouTube kid that was up

1453
01:05:57,240 --> 01:05:59,200
Speaker 2: there with him and he kind of was like, oh

1454
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 2: my God, like speed, I show speed. And the way

1455
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 2: he acted was like, because he shook everyone's hand, but

1456
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 2: then he just politely said and then I'm pretty sure

1457
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 2: he explained it to her afterwards. And then but again,

1458
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 2: it's live, it's live TV, right, things happen, But that's

1459
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:17,480
Speaker 2: respect to his wife. And then I was honestly respect

1460
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 2: to Kate. It's actually a respectful gesture to the person.

1461
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 2: You refuse it to shake hands because he has a

1462
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 2: married man should not shake the hand of another woman.

1463
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 3: Wow, what separate Russian fighters from American fighters? I don't

1464
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 3: think that. I don't think that.

1465
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 2: I don't think that is much more to it than

1466
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 2: just the the that that need to change their lives right,

1467
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 2: their need I mean even even not not I'm not

1468
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 2: talking homeless, like I'm not talking like transient people that

1469
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 2: are living on the street. But even our upbringing, even

1470
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 2: in mind where I lived in small house, after the

1471
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:06,920
Speaker 2: small house when I was younger, Yeah, then my parents

1472
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 2: did all they could to move us into a big

1473
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 2: house to where they bought their first house for ten

1474
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 2: thousand dollars.

1475
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:15,000
Speaker 3: It wasn't a great house, but it was theirs. That's

1476
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 3: still better.

1477
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 2: Than what they have over there. They're like, it's all concrete,

1478
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:23,920
Speaker 2: just concrete stuff. So yeah, it's like, I think it's

1479
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 2: just that mentality of need to get better that makes

1480
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 2: it allows for those guys to kind of just elevate

1481
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 2: themselves a little more. Because even my upbringing and I

1482
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:37,360
Speaker 2: thought that I had it tough was better than what

1483
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 2: they have there. And you know what we people are

1484
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 2: willing to do to change their lives for sure. Yeah,

1485
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 2: this concludes the first half of my conversation. Part two

1486
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 2: is also posted and you can access it to whichever

1487
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 2: podcast platform you just listen to part one on. Just

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01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 2: simply go back to club profile and I'll see you there.