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Speaker 1: Patrick's Show, Ladies and gentlemen filling in for Dan Patrick today,

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Speaker 1: former NBA Center, former UCLA Center, and myself Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 1: We are back having fun, plowing through the first two

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Speaker 1: more left, which doesn't feel like enough given how much

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Speaker 1: we disagree on the topic. We're about to dive into

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Speaker 1: Lebron James. King James goes down bad collapsed by the Lakers. Ryan.

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Speaker 1: They were up seven with about seven minutes left and

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Speaker 1: the Clippers did some lockdown defense. Lakers struggle to score,

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Speaker 1: and Ryan Hollins said one of their big problems last

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Speaker 1: hour is what does Lebron's go to move? Ryan Hollins,

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Speaker 1: Do you want to run that back in and try

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Speaker 1: it again? Give it another shot? What does Lebron's go

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Speaker 1: pull up? What did Steph Curry had? What did Steph

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Speaker 1: what's tough is that Lebron James In times, it's kind

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Speaker 1: talking about a level, because Jason, forgive me if I'm wrong,

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Speaker 1: the expectations for the Lakers are NBA championship. Correct, They're

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Speaker 1: That's not a goal for the Lakers. The goal, ultimately,

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Speaker 1: the Lakers and Lebron James in these tight games. Jason,

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Speaker 1: you thinking? Brothers, So Lebron doesn't need to go to

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Speaker 1: Nobody in the league can stop Lebron. Now, they'll collapse

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Speaker 1: it's Cuzba making the shots. Is Ksep making his? Is

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Speaker 1: Davis has an incredible, incredible touch. So at that moment

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Speaker 1: you may not tell as anymore? I mean as much.

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Speaker 1: if you're gonna close out a game for right now,

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Speaker 1: at least it's gonna be have to be working off

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Speaker 1: that's now in the playoffs is what we care about,

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Speaker 1: right and it's gonna be no grind. We're talking. We're

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Speaker 1: talking last two minutes of a ballgame, championship level. We're

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Speaker 1: not talking. I don't want to shot. I want Anthony

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Speaker 1: you and the Lakers are gonna be in trouble that

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Speaker 1: who's your shooter? Who you want Anthony Davis on the

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Speaker 1: Kahi get a shot off? Heck yeah, Lebron thirty five

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Speaker 1: the game should be slowing down. Paul Pierce can come

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Speaker 1: what another statement that you said. You said you like

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Speaker 1: to just see Lebron James get downhill get when listen, Jason,

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Speaker 1: I'm staying in from experience. When a game gets to

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Speaker 1: getting those fouls called. And if you look historically, there

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Speaker 1: would not because Michael Jordan passed, took Paxson, he made

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Speaker 1: and Lebron yesterday passed to Kcyp he missed a shot.

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Speaker 1: want to talk about context Jason McIntyre, Fine, um, contexts

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Speaker 1: games have been phenomenal. So Tanya, I'm here with Ryan

421
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Speaker 1: Hollands filling in for Dan Patrick, and Uh, I want

422
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Speaker 1: to get started. Um, the Lebron injury. You know he

423
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 1: missed the Denver game. He obviously wasn't himself last night

424
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 1: two of twelve from three. Uh just started over seven

425
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 1: and didn't really get into it. How much of it

426
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,639
Speaker 1: was the injury? And I'm gonna be honest with you,

427
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,439
Speaker 1: Kawhi not playing back to backs now, this Lebron injury,

428
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 1: he was hurt last Christmas. Where are we and where

429
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,679
Speaker 1: are we? Did? Look looking ahead? Yeah, there is some

430
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 1: loose ends with this because there's no two injuries that

431
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 1: we're talking about. The Lakers have talked about a back injury,

432
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Speaker 1: that's what he was on the injury report with when

433
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Speaker 1: we missed the game on Sunday. Um, and then Lebron

434
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,919
Speaker 1: yesterday told us that there's a groin injury that he

435
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Speaker 1: um that he's been dealing with that's on the other

436
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 1: side from last year's injury. So it's a different injury,

437
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,120
Speaker 1: um from that. So UM, I think like that's it's

438
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 1: still a little bit unclear. Um. He clearly wasn't moving

439
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: great last night. UM, you know, and and I do

440
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Speaker 1: have some questions about how how how much that had

441
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Speaker 1: to do with the injury. But you know, he's a

442
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Speaker 1: guy that he believes in the importance of his you know,

443
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,160
Speaker 1: like what he does for the league, if that makes sense.

444
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 1: So I think Christmas Day was a game that he

445
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Speaker 1: really wanted to play in and I could see him

446
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Speaker 1: sitting out a few games after this. Just gnually healthy, Wow,

447
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Speaker 1: good stuff? How you doing? Tell you good? How are

448
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Speaker 1: you good? Good? Um? Teanya? How much of a concern

449
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 1: is it for the Lakers dropping his game. I think

450
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 1: they're up fifteen or seventeen points. Were their frustrations boiling

451
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Speaker 1: over in the locker room? What was that seemed like,

452
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 1: you know they it's not there yet. But one thing

453
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Speaker 1: they really stuck out to me was Danny Green. That

454
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Speaker 1: Danny Green really took this game so hard he felt

455
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Speaker 1: like the losses on him. Um. I mean, I just

456
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Speaker 1: I've that's kind of emotion that I haven't seen that

457
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Speaker 1: much in that locker room this year, mostly because most

458
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Speaker 1: of the games I've covered has been Winnedum. But Danny

459
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 1: was kind of you know, he had those two late

460
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Speaker 1: fowls against Kauhi that helps the Clippers build themselves a

461
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Speaker 1: cushion that ultimately, you know, was the difference in the

462
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Speaker 1: game when Danny was just really broken up about it,

463
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Speaker 1: and um, you know, he just felt like the momentum,

464
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Speaker 1: he just changed the momentum of the game. Um. But

465
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Speaker 1: you know, like I think they are, there are seed

466
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Speaker 1: the frustration creeping in. This is a big game for them.

467
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Speaker 1: They really wanted to win it, but they're probably being

468
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Speaker 1: reminded by their coach that there's more to this. I

469
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Speaker 1: did see them a little bit of bite in Frank

470
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Speaker 1: Vogel last night that you don't normally see. And I

471
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Speaker 1: think that I think that they're they're really trying to

472
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Speaker 1: make sure that internally they don't overreact to this, and

473
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Speaker 1: they understand that they've played four really good teams in

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Speaker 1: a row, but that they also know that they're going

475
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Speaker 1: to have to beat those kinds of teams. They want

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Speaker 1: to do what they want this season, which is win

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Speaker 1: a championship. Tanya, I'm very curious here. You know, again,

478
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Speaker 1: they're twenty four and seven, no need to panic, But

479
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Speaker 1: when you look at what as Kawhi Leonard has done

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Speaker 1: against them twice and the opener he went for thirty

481
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Speaker 1: shot over fifty percent, got to the line when he wanted,

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Speaker 1: and then yesterday thirty five points over fifty percent, shooting

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Speaker 1: perfect on free throws. Listen, they don't have anyone to

484
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Speaker 1: guard him. Is this the scenario where you think they're

485
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Speaker 1: going to need to make a move to get stronger

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Speaker 1: on the wing. And if not, what do you think

487
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Speaker 1: the solution will be come fourth quarter in the conference finals,

488
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Speaker 1: when they're facing Kawhi Leonard in the fourth quarter. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you had the same conversation last night Kawhi Leonard knocked

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Speaker 1: down at three and they were like, what do you

491
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Speaker 1: do when Kawhi Leonards doing that? And it was a

492
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Speaker 1: contested three. Dwight Haird had a good you know, was

493
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Speaker 1: defending it well and it didn't matter. And then you

494
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Speaker 1: remember last week when Yannis made five threes, which he's

495
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 1: not going to do every night, but like their scouting

496
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: report says, let Yanna shoot threes. So this is an

497
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 1: issue that you know, I mean, these are like very

498
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Speaker 1: high level problems the Lakers have that they are things

499
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Speaker 1: that they have to address because you're right, you know,

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Speaker 1: these are these are the teams are gonna have to

501
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Speaker 1: get through. They're gonna if they want to get to

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Speaker 1: the finals and play against the Bucks, probably they're gonna

503
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 1: have to get through the Clippers most likely. And um

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00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: so I think that I think that their defense, their

505
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 1: defense definitely has some holes. I mean, they have been

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Speaker 1: very strong on it most of the year, but they

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Speaker 1: are I could see them addressing a few different things

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Speaker 1: if they can on the trade market. Janya, I know,

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Speaker 1: I know it's tough to say, obviously because of the

510
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Speaker 1: loss of the Clippers, the losing street, but you covered

511
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Speaker 1: the team for the whole season. Is this Lakers team

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Speaker 1: actually ahead of schedule or ahead of expectations so far

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Speaker 1: this part of the season. Yeah, I think that. I

514
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Speaker 1: think that these lasts because their losses have been clumped together.

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Speaker 1: And I remember, I think Jason, I did your radio

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Speaker 1: show at the start of December and you're like, when

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Speaker 1: are people going to panic if they lose a couple

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Speaker 1: of games, they lose like four games in December? Are

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Speaker 1: people going to panic? And I said, only if those

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Speaker 1: games come all together. And that's exactly what's happened. And

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Speaker 1: I think that that, like increasingly it's like, well, they can't,

522
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Speaker 1: you know, they can't hang with the top teams. But

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's true. I mean, I think that

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Speaker 1: that they did build themselves a cushion, and as long

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Speaker 1: as they don't internally let themselves, let themselves think too

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Speaker 1: much about the fact that these losses have all happened

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Speaker 1: in a row and that they haven't won a game

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Speaker 1: in quite a while now, as long as they don't

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Speaker 1: think get too much in their heads about that, I

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Speaker 1: think they'll be able to come out of it and

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Speaker 1: be able to use the fact that they say it's

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Speaker 1: such a great, great this day started with so many

533
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Speaker 1: wins to their advantage. It might sound weird, Tanya. Again,

534
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: this is Ryan Hollands Jason McIntyre on The Dan Patrick's Show. Tanya,

535
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: it might sound weird to ask all these Laker questions

536
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: when the Clippers are apparently the favorite in the title.

537
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: But I have one more like a question. Does Frank

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Speaker 1: Vogel know what his best closing lineup is yet? I

539
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: know they've had some injuries, right, Kuzma has been in

540
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: and out, every Bradley's been hurt, But just do you

541
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Speaker 1: think he knows who is best five are and if so,

542
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Speaker 1: who are they? I think he's flexible with it, and

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Speaker 1: I think that he's I don't think that what they

544
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Speaker 1: did last night is going to be what they do

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Speaker 1: for the rest of every game. I mean, that was

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Speaker 1: one of the questions that we asked, why was literal

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Speaker 1: closing unit? And he said it's just kind of based

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00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: on field game the game. I mean, he did some

549
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: different things with the lineup last night and got the

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Speaker 1: starting back a little earlier than he normally does in

551
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Speaker 1: the second quarter, you know, and there's a matter of managing.

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00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: I mean, Kyle Klesmer is still coming back from his injury,

553
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Speaker 1: and this is his best game since he returns, So

554
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: you know, they're they're figuring out what exactly he can

555
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Speaker 1: do when he help me, they're figuring out how to

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Speaker 1: manage Avery Bradley and KCP, who has similar skill sets,

557
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: and KCP played great while Avery was hurt, and you know,

558
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Speaker 1: they didn't want Avery to lose his starting job because

559
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Speaker 1: of an injury, so they gave it back to him.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I think they're still figuring out how

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Speaker 1: to manage all of those things. And then on top

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Speaker 1: of that, now they're going to have to figure out,

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Speaker 1: you know, how they can survive when they have to

564
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Speaker 1: give their stars a little bit of rest. So I

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00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,719
Speaker 1: think it's all that's all still a work in progress, China.

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Speaker 1: Many others, definitely including myself, were critical of the job

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Speaker 1: that Frank Vogel would be actually be able to do

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Speaker 1: as head coach to the Lakers. And he's been nothing

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Speaker 1: short of amazing, Chinya. How has he done and how

570
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: has he been able to get these guys to jail

571
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: so well? This early? Yeah, well, I wrote a story

572
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Speaker 1: about this last week, um that, and I talked to

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Speaker 1: a bunch of I talk all of his front of

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Speaker 1: the bench assistance. I have several players, four more players.

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Speaker 1: And when I learned was that Frank is very good

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Speaker 1: at sort of adapting to to the people that he has,

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Speaker 1: and that's something that he learned when he is an

578
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Speaker 1: Indiana UM. He's very transparent with the players. They always

579
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: know where they stand, and he takes their feedback. And

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00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: I think those things are really important to the players,

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Speaker 1: and they've allowed they've allowed them to really put some

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Speaker 1: trust in Frank and and and give him a little

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Speaker 1: bit of leeway on certain different things. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: there are two things that he has to manage. He

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Speaker 1: has to manage the stars and he has to manage

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Speaker 1: the role players. And he's been able to keep the

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Speaker 1: role players happy by just being honest with them and

588
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: letting them know, Hey, this is how much we're gonna

589
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: need you, this is what your role will be tonight,

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Speaker 1: We're going to go with this other guy, that kind

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Speaker 1: of thing, and players really respect that. And then with

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Speaker 1: the stars, he's managed to really take their opinions into

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Speaker 1: considering and react to them and they have really appreciated that.

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Speaker 1: So he's done a really good job of creating this

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00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: like collaborative spirit among his players and among his coaches

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Speaker 1: that I think has really helped the harmony and should

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00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: help them get through this patch of games where they're

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Speaker 1: where they're, you know, going through a little bit of

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00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: a rough patch. Is there any situation in particular you

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00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: can think of or player in which he kind of

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00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: reached out or helped a guy as you mentioned. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean a lot of different guys have sort of

603
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Speaker 1: described this, like um Mile Turner in Indiana talk to

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Speaker 1: me about how Frank helped his confidence so much because

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Speaker 1: he's always kind of being his ear and tell him

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Speaker 1: what he could be. Troy Daniels of a guy he

607
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: doesn't play very much, and you know, all all players

608
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: believe in their own ability, and Troy does too. But

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Speaker 1: what Troy told me was, it helps so much when

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Speaker 1: your head coach comes to you and says, hey, this

611
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Speaker 1: is what this is what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: go with this guy. And like Trey used the phrase,

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Speaker 1: he said, it makes me feel like part of the

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00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: teams because if the coach is just ignoring you and

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Speaker 1: not not explaining to you. He said that he's had

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Speaker 1: coaches in the past that he was scared to talk

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00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: to you, or that he didn't know if he could

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00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: ask them anything, and they just wouldn't tell him what

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Speaker 1: they were thinking. And that made him feel very disconnected

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Speaker 1: with the team. So that's that's one example I can

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Speaker 1: think of. Great stuff, Tanya. You can follow her on

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Speaker 1: Twitter at Tania gunglu gn g u l I. Tanya,

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Speaker 1: enjoy the Lakers and hope you had a happy holiday.

624
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Speaker 1: Maybe I'll see you Sunday for Luca don Chas versus

625
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Speaker 1: Anthony Davis. I assume you're going to be there. We

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Speaker 1: don't know if Lebron's playing though, right, we don't know. Yeah,

627
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Speaker 1: he might miss some time. All right, great stuff as usual, Tanya,

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Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, Happy holidays, Thank you. All right. Coming

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Speaker 1: up next here on The Dan Patrick's Show, we wrap

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Speaker 1: up the show. I don't know, maybe we'll do uh,

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Speaker 1: Ryan Hollands really loved Yes, no, um, we may run

632
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Speaker 1: that back Lizzard. It's a can't miss radio segment. Other

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Speaker 1: so much fun with the yes no segment earlier. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna hit you with a couple more. You're like, yes, no,

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Speaker 1: no explanation, Go ahead, let's go, let's go, let's call. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we didn't prep for this at all? Um. Yes, No,

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Speaker 1: Are teams better when Kyrie Hervey is injured and out

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Speaker 1: or just leaves the team in general? Yes, or no,

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Speaker 1: they are better. Yeah, I love that. I'm sorry. I'm

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Speaker 1: sorry to Kyrie. I'm a big Kyrie fan. Ryan Hollins.

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Speaker 1: I bought a Kyrie Cavs jersey, a burnt orange one

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Speaker 1: back in the day. Hey, you know he demanded a

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Speaker 1: trade away from Lebron Cave still got to the finals

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Speaker 1: without him, goes to the Celtics, gets injured. Celtics get

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Speaker 1: to Game seven of the Conference finals without Kyrie. He leaves.

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Speaker 1: They're even better this year, Brooklyn nets, they're better when

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Speaker 1: he's hurt. Now, what's going on explaining this to the

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Speaker 1: Dan Patrick audience. I played with Kyrie. He's a great guy,

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Speaker 1: So all that locker room cancer and stuff needs to go.

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Speaker 1: He's not a bad person, never seen anything like that.

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Speaker 1: But what's what's tough for Kyrie is he has a

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Speaker 1: level of talent that is so high. He's got Kobe

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Speaker 1: Bryant problems. What I mean when I say Kobe Bryant Brown,

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Speaker 1: he got Kobe Bryant problems in a sense that he's

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Speaker 1: so talented that when he looks at teammates, he kind

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Speaker 1: of expects the same, Well, why can't you go get thirty?

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Speaker 1: Why can't you go get forty, Jason Tatum, why can't

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Speaker 1: you go get forty? Or John Harry, Joe Harris go, yeah, yeah, here,

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Speaker 1: here's the ball. Joe Harris, go get a bucket. Well,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't work like that offensively, particularly in the next system.

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Speaker 1: Coach Atkins always expects his guards to play downhill. What

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Speaker 1: I mean, they attack the basket and then they kick

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Speaker 1: out for open threes, and they play more of a

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Speaker 1: penetrate kick game off the pick and roll, attack, kick,

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Speaker 1: attack kick. When Kyrie has the basketball in the hands,

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Speaker 1: he will play a lot of east and west, a

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Speaker 1: lot of east and west basketball, which doesn't promote a

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Speaker 1: lot of teammates. It's hard for me to get you

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Speaker 1: a shot because I don't necessarily get you open not

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Speaker 1: attacking the rim, the defender, your man doesn't need to help,

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Speaker 1: in which I can't kick the basketball to you. And

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Speaker 1: when I give you the basketball, US regular players in

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Speaker 1: the NBA need a little more assistant. We need some space, Kyrie.

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Speaker 1: I'll also throw this to you. The one thing that

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Speaker 1: Kyrie kicked himself on the biggest mistake that he made

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Speaker 1: is not joining the Lakers. He completely completely won him

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was There were expectations. Lebron in Cleveland

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Speaker 1: said I can't deal with this, get me out of here.

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Speaker 1: You think he wanted to play well, he knew that

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Speaker 1: Lebron was getting ready to leave, so he made the

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Speaker 1: smart movie and said, I'm not gonna be stuck in

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Speaker 1: Cleveland alone. When he first came to Cleveland, it was him,

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Speaker 1: Ryan Hollins and Antoine jameson and things didn't work out.

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Speaker 1: Anderson vaised now and Anthony Park Okay. Kyrie remembers post

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Speaker 1: Lebron would it looked like in Cleveland? Ultimately, he underestimated

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Speaker 1: how great of a fit that he and Lebron were.

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Speaker 1: When I look at that, the synergy between he and Lebron,

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Speaker 1: they would switch off being Batman and Robin. How there

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Speaker 1: are moments where Kyrie hit the big shot, the go

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Speaker 1: ahead bucket in the finals, and there's also moments where

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Speaker 1: Lebron James would put up monster stat lines and own

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Speaker 1: the series. There are plays that Lebron makes that gets

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Speaker 1: other guys open. So those two complimented each other so

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Speaker 1: well that Kyrie took it for granted. Kyrie is not

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Speaker 1: a natural point guard. He's more heavy two. Can he

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Speaker 1: paid play point? Can he make every pass. Heck, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I played with him. The guy's an amazing passer. And

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Speaker 1: Bron James, where he's more of a natural point guard

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Speaker 1: at points, he will struggle to score. Kyrie has more

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Speaker 1: of a go to move or can go out and

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Speaker 1: create and get his own shot. That's the one knock

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Speaker 1: if we want to point to Lebron James that he

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Speaker 1: doesn't have Kyrie Irvings should have been a Laker. He

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Speaker 1: should have been a Laker. He should team would be

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Speaker 1: as good if as the Anthony Davis version if they

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Speaker 1: had Kyrie. But I will go to him. It might

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Speaker 1: be the best take. Ryan Hollins is that because I'm

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Speaker 1: looking at my notes and I agree with every ounce

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Speaker 1: of it. Here's the fun fact. Brooklyn nets with Kyrie

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Speaker 1: four and seven without him twelve and six. I'm betting

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Speaker 1: on them tonight, by the way, minus eight against the

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Speaker 1: New York Knicks. Oh wow. And also, Kyrie Irving second

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Speaker 1: most shots per game in the league twenty two shots

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Speaker 1: per game. Now, Bradley Beal's right there with twenty two,

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Speaker 1: but the Wizards have Nobody. Trey Young twenty one. They

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Speaker 1: got Nobody. Harden leads the league with twenty four they

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Speaker 1: got nobody all right? Next up in Yes, No, should

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Speaker 1: Luka played tonight. He's only in his four games off

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00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 1: what looked like a bad ankle injury. I do wonder

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Speaker 1: if he's thinking about the MVP race, because I think

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Speaker 1: he's in it. Twenty years old, Dallas is fifth in

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Speaker 1: the West. Should Luca don rush back and play? For one,

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Speaker 1: I've got to know the severity of the injury. But

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Speaker 1: because you use the word rush, I would assume that

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Speaker 1: he still is injured. That's so No, I would not

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Speaker 1: rush back. But if he doesn't have any swelling, he's good.

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Speaker 1: I played in Dallas and familiar with the training staff there.

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Speaker 1: Top notch Uh. He should come back and play if

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Speaker 1: he can, But if not, there's actually no rush. He's

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Speaker 1: put himself Jason in a place where he's not just

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Speaker 1: the franchise. He's game changing. You don't see players like this.

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Speaker 1: I have never seen a rookie in my entire career

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Speaker 1: that I've ever seen a remember that was a skilled

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Speaker 1: as Luca dontche he played in the Spanish League. I

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Speaker 1: was in the Spanish League at the time when Luca played.

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Speaker 1: Luca was a man amongst boys, absolutely man, and the

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Speaker 1: one thing about Luca is in playing in the Spanish league,

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Speaker 1: he got taught basketball and reads and how to play,

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Speaker 1: how to go right, how to go left. So, for instance,

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Speaker 1: if you're playing a team in the Spanish League and

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Speaker 1: they know you're not as good going to your left hand,

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Speaker 1: you will have a guy who's subpar. But guess what,

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Speaker 1: your whole game, He's going to force you to drive

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Speaker 1: to your left hand to score a basket, so all

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Speaker 1: these weaknesses in your game go away. He learns team basketball.

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Speaker 1: When dotched the Dallas Mavericks, they play almost NBA European

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Speaker 1: style of basketball. Or each of their bigs pops out

786
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Speaker 1: and shoots threes and rolls to the rim. So now

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Speaker 1: the'll almost pick on a five man, and your center

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Speaker 1: will have to guard on the three point line, and

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Speaker 1: your power four will have to guard a guy diving

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Speaker 1: to the basket. So they've got these interchangeable bigs, and

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Speaker 1: Luca just picks you apart because you can't go onto

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Speaker 1: the screens. The guy shoots a step back just behind

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Speaker 1: James Harden. James Harden, Luca best step backs in the

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Speaker 1: league right now, and dude, he'll shoot it from twenty

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Speaker 1: seven feet, So Luca Donsions has been nothing short of amazing, literally,

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Speaker 1: and we're seeing something but we may never see again. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's I think he's in the mix as a second year,

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Speaker 1: twenty year old guy to win the MVP Award. All right, finally,

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Speaker 1: Zion Williamson, what is I mean? He hasn't played yet

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Speaker 1: this season and he's now saying, Hey, if it we're

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00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: up to me, I'd be playing. Should Zion pump the

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Speaker 1: year the way Ben Simmons did, the way Blake Griffin did,

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Speaker 1: the way I think Joel Embiid did and not rushed back.

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00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: The Pelicans, by the way, are a flaming dumpster fire.

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00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: Despite the win last night, they are nine and twenty three.

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00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: Zion An Williamson has to sit out the year. Oh,

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00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: his body is not ready physically, the knee has question marks.

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Speaker 1: A minor surgery or tweak could derail this kid's entire career.

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Speaker 1: I played with Blake Griffin, I've watched Ben Simmons, I

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Speaker 1: see Joel Embiad who sat out almost two years. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what you did in high school, Zon, what you did

812
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: in college does not work in an eighty two game

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Speaker 1: rigor in season. He literally has to sit out and

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Speaker 1: get acclimated. He is too important to the Pelicans, to

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Speaker 1: the NBA. Exactly did not play this place basically led

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Speaker 1: to a lot of agreement between R and Ryan Hollins.

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Speaker 1: But let's end on a disagreement real quick. Should we

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Speaker 1: don't have too much time Lebrons? Should they build around

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Speaker 1: build around Ben Simmons or Joel Ebid When I look

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Speaker 1: for the long haul, I would actually build around Simmons, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because I don't know the hell of Embead, even though

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Speaker 1: in Bead is fifteen times a player that Simmons is

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Speaker 1: fifteen Stop paying great show whoa Ryan holls We're coming

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Speaker 1: You could follow me on both of those, although Ryan

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Speaker 1: watch him, you love to post. I just like it

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Speaker 1: more Twitter. Just so everybody's so angry. I am thirty second?

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Speaker 1: fun that you're not going to answer. I'm not gonna

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