WEBVTT - REWIND: VAN LATHAN - Angola State Grilled Cheese (Pt. 1)

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke.

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<v Speaker 1>We are not in La today. We are over here

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<v Speaker 1>at eighty five South Studios with the special guests of

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<v Speaker 1>the day. Van Lengthen is in the building. You guys

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<v Speaker 1>may know him as podcaster, Academy Award winning executive producer.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, but I like to acknowledge you as the

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<v Speaker 1>man that stood up to Kanye West in the TMZ

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<v Speaker 1>office commissioner of the Commissioner. And we're gonna leave the

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<v Speaker 1>Commissioner of the BBI off. But Van, before we get

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<v Speaker 1>into where you're at today, I want you to take

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<v Speaker 1>me back to where you were when you were broke.

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<v Speaker 1>What dish you're gonna have cook for us to eat today,

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<v Speaker 1>so you can start with that.

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<v Speaker 2>So I get out of college around I would say

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and three. Two thousand and three, I get

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<v Speaker 2>out of college, and there's this like transitional period in

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<v Speaker 2>my life because I was always interested in people's stories,

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<v Speaker 2>and everybody's stories seems so linear. Every story seems linear

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<v Speaker 2>when you're at the end of it. Everybody has a

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<v Speaker 2>moment that something happened for them. Everybody has a moment

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<v Speaker 2>that they realize something. But when you're in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of it. You don't know. You'll know when it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to happen for you, you'll know how it's going to happen

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<v Speaker 2>for you. Certain people have more certainty than other people do.

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<v Speaker 2>But all you can do is work and try. And

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<v Speaker 2>I get to this point, and it's this weird, odd

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<v Speaker 2>point to where I'm like, nothing that I thought was

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<v Speaker 2>going to happen and or no way that I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to go is the way that I wanted to go.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're graduated, we're taking back to when you graduated.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And so I'm working at best Buy And this

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<v Speaker 2>is the same time that The College Dropout has come

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<v Speaker 2>out around that same time Conye's first album, and he's

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<v Speaker 2>talking about great album. He's talking about disillusioned high school

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<v Speaker 2>graduates who now have to realize that they're not going

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<v Speaker 2>to conquer the world, that what they're going to do

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<v Speaker 2>is enter into the American workforce and they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a part of something, and everything that they did

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<v Speaker 2>it's not just not as meaningful as they thought it

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<v Speaker 2>was going to be. In a way, it's spiritually debilitating.

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<v Speaker 2>And the song is the whole album is about breaking

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<v Speaker 2>free of that. Really it's about saying, hey, like I

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<v Speaker 2>dropped out, but I dropped out. I took a path

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<v Speaker 2>that ismired, let's admire, but in a way drowned upon

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<v Speaker 2>in order to be more alive. Like I'm not killing myself.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I'm to the point to where I'm like

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<v Speaker 2>having an existential crisis. I'm like, yo, I'm killing myself.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not it's not working. And so many things happen

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<v Speaker 2>within this two year period. My parents divorced. My mom

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<v Speaker 2>leaves the house, and that was very transformative for me, because,

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<v Speaker 2>like when a woman leaves a home right away, everything

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<v Speaker 2>gets less.

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<v Speaker 1>What you were you were talking about after college though?

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<v Speaker 1>Were you living at home with your parents?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you were. During college.

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<v Speaker 2>I went to Southern University and Van Ruge I had

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<v Speaker 2>gone away to school, and then I came back and

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<v Speaker 2>I went to Southern University because I wanted to be

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<v Speaker 2>around all of my friends. So I was still living

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<v Speaker 2>at home. The school was about ten minutes away from

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<v Speaker 2>where we lived.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So how old were you when your parents were

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<v Speaker 1>like twenty twenty two or twenty three, and so you

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<v Speaker 1>actually got to see it.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to see it, right, I got to see

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<v Speaker 2>it there's two people divorcing and not mommy and daddy divorcing.

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<v Speaker 2>And I also got to see your.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you mean they're not mommy and daddy divorcing.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't mommy and daddy divorcing when you're ten and

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<v Speaker 2>your parents break up, you're thirteen, fourteen, Mommy and daddy

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<v Speaker 2>are divorcing. In my life, Crystal and Terry got a

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<v Speaker 2>divorce because I had enough of a frame of mind,

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<v Speaker 2>or a frame of reference, should I say, for these

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<v Speaker 2>people to know who they kind of really were at

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<v Speaker 2>that point. So I knew the anger that my father had,

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<v Speaker 2>I knew the paranoia that my mother had. I knew

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<v Speaker 2>that these were two people that were on diverging spiritual

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<v Speaker 2>growth the journey, should I say, and that they were

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<v Speaker 2>no longer compatible, and like what that means, Like when

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<v Speaker 2>you're a kid, it's like, oh, you guys gonna get

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<v Speaker 2>split up? Okay, who am I going to live with?

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<v Speaker 2>It's not the concern for me. The concern for me

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<v Speaker 2>is do these people still get to live the version

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<v Speaker 2>of their life that they want to live now that

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<v Speaker 2>they're no longer together? And so when I saw that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, my mom, I was actually happy for them

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<v Speaker 2>that they had made the decision. I was happy for

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<v Speaker 2>them that my mother I thought, Okay, this is a

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<v Speaker 2>new life for her. She had felt beaten down by

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of things emotionally, she had felt unsupported by

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of things emotionally, and obviously, with my father

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<v Speaker 2>doing some of the things that he was doing, he

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<v Speaker 2>must have been unhappy too. So maybe this is a

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<v Speaker 2>new life for them. I'm young enough to think at

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<v Speaker 2>that point that severing that type of relationship in some

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<v Speaker 2>way could be a positive for those two people as

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<v Speaker 2>much as they loved each other, and loved each other

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<v Speaker 2>until my father passed away. But immediately she left the

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<v Speaker 2>house and it was two niggas living in the house

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<v Speaker 2>that didn't know how to do shit, Like the house

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<v Speaker 2>just became It's like, it's just like, I remember.

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<v Speaker 1>Were you young, the youngest two or something? Who are

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<v Speaker 1>you the youngest in your family? Because you said it

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<v Speaker 1>was just the two, Yeah I was.

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<v Speaker 2>I was the youngest in the family. I was the

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<v Speaker 2>only one still around. My sister had gone. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>my dad had other kids, but they were gone. But like,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's just me and him living.

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<v Speaker 1>Your dad had other kids, Yeah, what do you mean he.

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<v Speaker 2>Had other kids, Nigga, you know what I meant. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what I'm saying. And so it was, it was

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<v Speaker 2>that's another reason why you're happy for her to go

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<v Speaker 2>and have a chance at a life that is for her.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah right, And.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, me and him are there and it's

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<v Speaker 2>like she she's your mom, but she's also like a

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<v Speaker 2>genius in creating. She's a genius in keeping things running.

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<v Speaker 2>She you get taught this lesson of misogyny, and the

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<v Speaker 2>lesson is that somebody leaves the house and they gonna

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<v Speaker 2>make a whole bunch of money. And my mother worked

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<v Speaker 2>too and made a lot of money. But somebody leaves

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<v Speaker 2>the house and gonna makes a lot of money, and

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<v Speaker 2>then they come back into a castle and everything that

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<v Speaker 2>they touch inside the house turns to go. But you

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<v Speaker 2>don't realize that there's somebody who's keeping your life beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>There's someone who's who's attention to detail, somebody whose ability

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<v Speaker 2>to multitask, somebody who who looks out for things. Somebody

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<v Speaker 2>who when something's broke, they go, Okay, you gotta fix that.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody who when something doesn't work, they okay, we gotta

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<v Speaker 2>get it working. And the moment that she left, it

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<v Speaker 2>was the house crumbled. It fell apart, like the turn

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<v Speaker 2>on the stove, po the pop. And I look at

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<v Speaker 2>him and he looks at me, and I'm like, right,

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<v Speaker 2>she gets that fixed. That motherfucker popped till we got

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<v Speaker 2>out of the house with him. Never fixed it, right,

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<v Speaker 2>The washing machine broke, never got fixed, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean. It's just just like little stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Like my mother used to come out. This was a big,

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful home on about sixty acres that we had had.

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<v Speaker 2>She would come out and she would spray paint, like

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<v Speaker 2>like power washed the outside of the house to where everything,

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<v Speaker 2>like just me and him were just too focused on

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<v Speaker 2>the individual things that we were doing to care about

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<v Speaker 2>all of that. The place was just less beautiful because

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<v Speaker 2>the woman of the house had gone wow. And so

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<v Speaker 2>during that whole time, I'm also broke. I'm also broke.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm I'm working at best Buy. I'm like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>treading water. I don't know what I want to do.

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<v Speaker 2>And then Hurricane Katrina comes. And so when Hurricane Katrina comes,

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<v Speaker 2>this is like a weird two year period of my life,

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<v Speaker 2>like everything changes, like society crumbles, everybody's strapped for cash

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<v Speaker 2>because you've taken on so much more. You got relatives

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<v Speaker 2>living with you that come down from down in the city.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything's different, and now everyone's trying to stretch that dollar.

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<v Speaker 2>You're eating different, you're feeling different, and it just doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>feel like there's any abundance. It didn't feel like that

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<v Speaker 2>in my life. And so that's when that was the most.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the point, honestly, from two thousand and three

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<v Speaker 2>to two thousand and five, that was the point where

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<v Speaker 2>I figured out myself. I moved to LA in two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and six. By the time I got to LA,

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<v Speaker 2>I could fucking handle anything. I could handle anything I

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<v Speaker 2>had buried homeboys, I had put in the ground. There

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<v Speaker 2>was nothing the world had showed me like some really

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<v Speaker 2>ill shit. And so when I got out there and

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<v Speaker 2>was dealing with LA, it was a piece of cake.

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<v Speaker 1>So you also navigated, So what this are you gonna

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<v Speaker 1>have us eat today? Real cheese, grilled cheese. It's at

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<v Speaker 1>the staple and the most simplastic and delicious meal. Did

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<v Speaker 1>you have to add any tomato, soup or anything? Or

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<v Speaker 1>you just didn't The legendary.

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<v Speaker 2>Fuck all that butter bread cheese. Shout out to my

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<v Speaker 2>uncle David resting piece. Shout out to my uncle Mark,

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<v Speaker 2>rest in peace. These guys taught me the beauty the

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<v Speaker 2>grilled cheese. You know where they learned it at? Where

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<v Speaker 2>so you think? Nah? Where you think they learned the

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<v Speaker 2>grilled cheese at these two uncles? What do you think?

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<v Speaker 1>Someone screamed, somebody say it jail jail.

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<v Speaker 3>Yea.

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<v Speaker 2>I can tell what y'all you've been. I can tell

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<v Speaker 2>what kind of life you have been living. They they

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<v Speaker 2>they learned the grilled cheese in jail. They were grilled

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<v Speaker 2>cheese mechanics. Okay. They came back in here and they

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I don't know it was jail because they

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<v Speaker 2>because because what because yeah? Because because we know right

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<v Speaker 2>there was grilled cheese mechanics.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well let's see, let's judge your grilled cheese.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't made it in a long time, because the

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<v Speaker 2>nigga is not broke no more.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I've been doing this show for. This

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<v Speaker 1>will be our this is our third season. We're taping

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<v Speaker 1>right now. And some of the dishes are so good

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<v Speaker 1>on this show that I go home and I'll make

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<v Speaker 1>it broken, not make it they're good.

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<v Speaker 2>Butter is a very it's very sensual. Look at butter

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<v Speaker 2>washes washes was washes. Oh daddy, you hear that. Look

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<v Speaker 2>at the butter go Oh my god, butter is like delectable, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I use butter on my cooking.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, what's that? What's that?

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<v Speaker 1>That?

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<v Speaker 2>Blood pressure?

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<v Speaker 3>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but I'm really healthy. We're really healthy.

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<v Speaker 2>Like what you get a church, Well, I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Know if you could do a good grilled cheese. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>watching the way you're making this girl.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not gonna be good.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm concerned. I'm concerned because I feel like you are

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<v Speaker 1>gonna butcher this grilled cheese.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not it's not gonna be good. I can already

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<v Speaker 2>tell you it's not gonna be good. You know what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, because these jail birds, they definitely jail

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<v Speaker 1>the right way. How much cheese is gonna put on

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<v Speaker 1>this grilled cheese? This is how you did it, broke. Yeah, man,

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<v Speaker 1>you put three pieces of cheese on your broke grilled cheese.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you know this, but like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a big ass nigga.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, nah, bro, you're being judged. And right now this

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<v Speaker 1>grilled cheese is looking like it's not. We're gonna see.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see well, I mean, we'll see what happens. Cash.

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<v Speaker 2>Your question is this show to judge people, is to

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<v Speaker 2>get inspired?

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<v Speaker 1>You know what? The first the first season and a half,

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<v Speaker 1>I was very nice with people's feelings, and then I

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<v Speaker 1>had someone Tuna Castro the motherfucker. It was terrible. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we tape in LA. Usually like eighty five did this

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing for us. Shout outs to eighty five. They

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<v Speaker 1>did the whole cooktop and whole build this whole kitchen.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in love with it. Now, I'm gonna have to

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<v Speaker 1>come to Atlanta more.

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<v Speaker 2>You like Atlanta?

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I like it. It's cool. I haven't seen

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<v Speaker 1>much out here yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Where do you travel to? Where do you go?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you mean? Where do I go?

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<v Speaker 2>Where do you be at?

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be I'll be at LA, New York, LA New

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<v Speaker 1>York is, Okay New York, Okay, La New York. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>from there. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's focus on y'all story for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So you graduate, you moved to LA. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>you graduate with what degree?

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<v Speaker 2>I have a political science and English degree.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, and your goal in life before you left college

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<v Speaker 1>was to be an attorney, okay, and then you got

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<v Speaker 1>to La.

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<v Speaker 2>To be uh in the movie game?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? What happened in between those times to make you

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<v Speaker 1>change your career?

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<v Speaker 2>I spoke to a lot of attorneys.

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<v Speaker 1>You found out they don't like their jobs.

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<v Speaker 2>What I found out. So, my brother Jabriel is one

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<v Speaker 2>of the most brilliant people I've ever known. Super brilliant,

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<v Speaker 2>like ridiculously smart, right smart in a way that's almost inaccessible.

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<v Speaker 2>And he went to Morehouse here in Atlanta, and then

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<v Speaker 2>he went to Stanford, one of the greatest law schools

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<v Speaker 2>in the world. And he didn't have a specific love

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<v Speaker 2>for the law, if you ask me, but he is

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<v Speaker 2>just an incredibly successful person. And it didn't seem like

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<v Speaker 2>to me like that was going to be a fulfilling life.

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<v Speaker 2>What I like to do is commiserate, talk, create. Obviously

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<v Speaker 2>I like to go back and forth on all of

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<v Speaker 2>that stuff, But more than anything, I want to create

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<v Speaker 2>things that made people think and discuss. And I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think that that was going to be something that was

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<v Speaker 2>possible as an attorney.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Now a little backstory, So did all your siblings

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<v Speaker 1>graduate college? No, okay, or any any of them similar

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<v Speaker 1>to yours shows, similar to your path.

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<v Speaker 2>My sister's a poet, Okay, She's one of the greatest

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<v Speaker 2>poets in the.

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<v Speaker 1>World, really, I think. So she made money on it.

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<v Speaker 2>She made no money on it, but she is ridiculously talented,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm inspired by her every single day because she

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<v Speaker 2>creates no matter what the circumstance is, okay, And that,

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<v Speaker 2>to me is more impressive than somebody who gets flown

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<v Speaker 2>all over the world to create. She creates because she

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<v Speaker 2>must create, and not because it's incredibly lucrative for her

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<v Speaker 2>to create.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's in her, It's in her, and that makes.

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<v Speaker 2>Me feel good.

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<v Speaker 1>So you get to LA. What's the next step.

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<v Speaker 2>I work for a place called Capricorn Programs for a while.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you do there?

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<v Speaker 2>I produce a show called Cybernet. It's a video game show.

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<v Speaker 2>So when I first get out to LA, I am

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<v Speaker 2>playing video games for a living and then reporting on

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<v Speaker 2>those video games on this show, Cybernet, and writing.

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<v Speaker 1>For the show, okay, and then then something happens. What happens.

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<v Speaker 2>That company goes belly up financial crisis. So when that

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<v Speaker 2>company goes belly up, guess what I get to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Live on unemployment? Hell yeah, I love unemployment.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep. And I become one of the world's foremost pick

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<v Speaker 2>up basketball players. Every gym in La you see me,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four hour fitness, you see me.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you didn't try to hustle on top of the unemployment.

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<v Speaker 2>I definitely he did. But the most thing that I

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<v Speaker 2>did was just play ball and vibe and right. I

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<v Speaker 2>wrote so much. I wrote so much, so much stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But how long were you on unemployment? A year?

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<v Speaker 2>Two?

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<v Speaker 1>You can be on unemployment two years.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to remember that at this time it was

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<v Speaker 2>the financial crisis, so they were extending benefits to meet

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<v Speaker 2>people's years two eighty and then it's like going into

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<v Speaker 2>twenty ten basics and let me tell you what happens.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a true story. So I'm on unemployment, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>doing my thing. I'm walking into the gym LA Fitness, Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody there knows me. I'm walking into the gym. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>walking into the gym. And as I'm walking into the gym,

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<v Speaker 2>a lady outside the gym says, hey, you want to

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<v Speaker 2>take place in the c you want to take part

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<v Speaker 2>in the SURVEYM Like yeah, sure, No problem. She's like,

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<v Speaker 2>you take part in the survey, and we like what

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<v Speaker 2>you say, will give you five hundred dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh shit. And I was like, hell yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so I do the whole thing. I do my

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<v Speaker 2>whole little stick. I'm on a little small camera that

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<v Speaker 2>she has, and she goes, we like you, we want

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<v Speaker 2>you to come out to this place, do even more

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<v Speaker 2>stuff right and take place in this gigantic, bigger survey. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not a big deal. We're gonna have you try

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<v Speaker 2>out these products. And when you try these products, we're

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<v Speaker 2>just gonna ask you what you think about them. I'm like, cool,

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<v Speaker 2>the problem, all right. So I decide to go to

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<v Speaker 2>this thing. We cheese it up right now.

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<v Speaker 1>It actually looks really good. Yeah, i'moroughly impressed.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I go to this thing. It's Van Eys,

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<v Speaker 2>you know where Van Eys. So I go in there

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm into the little deal or whatever, and a

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<v Speaker 2>guy goes, Okay, this is what you're gonna do. I

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<v Speaker 2>want you to go in here, take a shower and

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<v Speaker 2>use this shampoo because they're doing product testing. Take a shower,

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<v Speaker 2>use this shampoo. Right when you get out of there,

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<v Speaker 2>brush your teeth use this toothbrush in this toothpaste. Cool.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, don't do this, don't do that stuff. We

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<v Speaker 2>took those products off the list. And then when you

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<v Speaker 2>come in here, we want you to shave with this razor.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, well, I'm not shaving my beerd He goes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>well you can just shave at the top and on

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<v Speaker 2>the and right here. Just tell us what you think

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<v Speaker 2>about it. I'm like, cool, no problem. So after that, cool,

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<v Speaker 2>I do all this stuff. I get into this little

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<v Speaker 2>room and inside of this room, it's two other guys

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<v Speaker 2>in the room and they got towels on and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>looking around. I'm like, yo, what's going on here? What

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<v Speaker 2>is this? I try to weigh myself on the scale.

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<v Speaker 2>Scale doesn't work. I'm looking in the room. The room

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<v Speaker 2>looks like a gym, except I know that we're not

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<v Speaker 2>in a gym, Like, what's going on? So I start

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<v Speaker 2>using the the the razor, doing like this. And when

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<v Speaker 2>I start using the razor, somebody jumps out with a

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<v Speaker 2>camera and they say, hey, are you ready for the

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<v Speaker 2>Gilet Fusion pro Glide Challenge. It's a commercials And I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh shit. And so I'm using the thing. I'm doing

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<v Speaker 2>the whole thing. I'm going back and forth to God,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm having fun. After the thing is over, I walk

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<v Speaker 2>in there and everybody's clapping, like, hey, why how are

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<v Speaker 2>you doing all? You got this a great job. You're

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<v Speaker 2>in a commercial boom boom, So don't make five hundred dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>I make three thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet the freaking out so high.

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<v Speaker 2>Because it's a uh, we're done, baby, A little special.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a really good looking grilled cheese. Look at that.

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<v Speaker 1>The cheese is bubbling, guys.

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<v Speaker 2>It's bubbling over and it's a little buttered in.

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<v Speaker 1>I just learned a trick and making grilled cheese. What

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<v Speaker 1>is it to stack a lot of cheese in the middle.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, cheese is actually a pretty staple ingredient to

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<v Speaker 2>the grilled cheese, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, but I usually just put like one or two

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<v Speaker 1>Yours is like, first of all, you did it really impressed.

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<v Speaker 2>I tell you, I tell you, I tell you why though,

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<v Speaker 2>that's why you're healthy. Though you said you were healthy before.

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<v Speaker 1>Look at the like the even colored color. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if it's you did it really impressive grilled cheese?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yes, you just slow and slow, okay. So look,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm there and they're like, okay, so it's Saturday.

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<v Speaker 2>So with the five hundred bucks that you were promised,

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<v Speaker 2>you get that it's Saturday, so you get double the

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<v Speaker 2>session fee on that, plus like whatever you get like

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<v Speaker 2>a holding fee and all of that stuff. So I

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<v Speaker 2>ended up making like three thousand dollars for this commercial.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me tell you what kind of American I am.

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<v Speaker 2>I come home and I'm doing my unemployment and it

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<v Speaker 2>asked if you made any money? Yep, Why I put

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<v Speaker 2>the money on there?

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<v Speaker 1>Why?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I've seen niggas get the death penalty

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<v Speaker 2>for less. So so I put so, I put the

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<v Speaker 2>money on there. I put the money on there, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is what happens. They then readjust my unemployment quarterly.

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<v Speaker 1>Like me, yeah, I would have told you not to

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<v Speaker 1>do that.

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<v Speaker 2>So quarterly. So it goes from being I go from

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<v Speaker 2>getting five hundred dollars a week in unemployment to seventy

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<v Speaker 2>five dollars a week in unemployment. So I go, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the deal. It's not Obviously they don't think

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<v Speaker 2>a nigga can live off this. So I'm just gonna

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<v Speaker 2>go up to the unemployment office. I'm gonna talk to

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<v Speaker 2>these people. That's why I'm gonna I'm gonna go up

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<v Speaker 2>to the uneployment office. I'm gonna talk these people. I'mna

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<v Speaker 2>straighten this whole thing out. So I go up there

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<v Speaker 2>to the unemployed office in Pasadena. I'll never forget. The

0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:05.680
<v Speaker 2>lady was like, baby, ain't nothing we can do. It's

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<v Speaker 2>in the computer. I was like, uh, I can't live

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<v Speaker 2>on this blah blah blah in the computer. So I

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<v Speaker 2>needed a job. I had to have a job. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, the funny thing was the ge let

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<v Speaker 2>that commercial ended up like making me. That commercial ran

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<v Speaker 2>Oh shit, I didn't know anything. I didn't know anything

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<v Speaker 2>about being a commercial actors. So I would get a

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<v Speaker 2>holding check every now and again. And then I started

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<v Speaker 2>making money off the commercial. But that's later I didn't notice.

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<v Speaker 2>I came home, and when I came home, I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I have to find a job. I pulled up entertainment

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<v Speaker 2>careers dot net. The first job was TMS tour guide.

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<v Speaker 1>You were a tour guide.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep. It was being a tour guiy TMZ was starting

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<v Speaker 2>a tour and the tour was like you go around

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<v Speaker 2>to different places and you show people different things that

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<v Speaker 2>happened like on TMZ, like we would show you where

0:22:00.440 --> 0:22:04.399
<v Speaker 2>Josh Hartnett got diarrhea. We would show you where Michael

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<v Speaker 2>Richards fucked up at the laugh Factory. It's actually a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty good tour. I'm actually I was one of the

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<v Speaker 2>first GUIDs on the tour. I was the first guid

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<v Speaker 2>on the tour. So actually a little bit of pride

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<v Speaker 2>in the fact that we were able to jump that

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<v Speaker 2>off and make it a thing, because it's still going

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<v Speaker 2>right now, right. So I get in there and I

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<v Speaker 2>do that. I apply.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a brilliant concept now that I think about it.

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<v Speaker 2>The revolutionize the whole score game. So I apply, and

0:22:32.520 --> 0:22:35.600
<v Speaker 2>they're doing the tours like American Idol. They have all

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<v Speaker 2>of these tour guys in there, and then every week

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<v Speaker 2>they cut a guy. So I'm in there and like

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<v Speaker 2>they have me coming in there and whatever. I get

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<v Speaker 2>the whole thing. I start with the TMS tour. This

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<v Speaker 2>goes through to about everything I'm talking about. I start

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<v Speaker 2>with the TMS tour. I think April of twenty ten,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe it might be twenty eleven, whatever it is with

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<v Speaker 2>the tm Tour. Then by July I started in March

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<v Speaker 2>by July, I'm on TV every day.

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<v Speaker 1>Within a couple of months.

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<v Speaker 2>Harvey came in took the tour. I was up there

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<v Speaker 2>doing my thing, and I told a joke and he

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<v Speaker 2>liked the joke so much that he brought me in

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<v Speaker 2>and put me into the.

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<v Speaker 1>Into the newsom, into the newsroom. Yep, okay. So then

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<v Speaker 1>you get this newsroom opportunity, your pay goes up, benefits.

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<v Speaker 1>What are we looking at?

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<v Speaker 2>So this is the way it was working. I was

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<v Speaker 2>making money because I was getting tips on the tour.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was probably making fifteen hundred dollars a week

0:23:38.760 --> 0:23:41.840
<v Speaker 2>straight cash off the tips on the tour. I was

0:23:41.960 --> 0:23:45.879
<v Speaker 2>killing these motherfucking white people. I was killing them.

0:23:45.920 --> 0:23:46.119
<v Speaker 3>I was.

0:23:49.800 --> 0:23:51.600
<v Speaker 2>I was fucking killing them. And then you would you

0:23:51.640 --> 0:23:54.199
<v Speaker 2>would come in and you would have like people from

0:23:54.840 --> 0:23:57.040
<v Speaker 2>there was tourists like they were from Australia, they were

0:23:57.040 --> 0:23:59.399
<v Speaker 2>from Canada. There was the thing that we do on

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<v Speaker 2>the tour to where if you see a celebrity on

0:24:03.359 --> 0:24:04.720
<v Speaker 2>the tour, you stop the bus, you get off, you

0:24:04.720 --> 0:24:07.719
<v Speaker 2>shoot the celebrity. And when you're driving around in La

0:24:07.800 --> 0:24:09.600
<v Speaker 2>at certain times, if you know where to go, it's

0:24:09.640 --> 0:24:12.480
<v Speaker 2>impossible not to see famous people like if you were

0:24:12.480 --> 0:24:15.480
<v Speaker 2>coming to LA and you and you were hanging out

0:24:15.480 --> 0:24:17.240
<v Speaker 2>with me, and I was like, hey, you want to

0:24:17.440 --> 0:24:19.960
<v Speaker 2>sit around and watch celebrities all day? There are three

0:24:20.040 --> 0:24:21.840
<v Speaker 2>or four places I could tell you where it's going

0:24:21.840 --> 0:24:26.280
<v Speaker 2>to happen, and so we would see them, and I'm

0:24:26.320 --> 0:24:28.440
<v Speaker 2>a good spotter. I would spot celebrities and we would

0:24:28.440 --> 0:24:30.040
<v Speaker 2>see them, and the people would go credit. We all

0:24:30.119 --> 0:24:32.680
<v Speaker 2>kinds of people. Fucking Lady God got Leonardo DiCaprio, David

0:24:32.720 --> 0:24:35.520
<v Speaker 2>Beckham and just the other niggas that be around, just

0:24:35.640 --> 0:24:38.200
<v Speaker 2>niggas that be around us, and you would just say,

0:24:38.240 --> 0:24:40.000
<v Speaker 2>you know the people I'm talking about in La, they

0:24:40.040 --> 0:24:42.440
<v Speaker 2>just they'd be around. You see them all the time, Like, hey,

0:24:42.560 --> 0:24:45.760
<v Speaker 2>weren't you in Yeah, like you see them. The funniest

0:24:45.760 --> 0:24:48.600
<v Speaker 2>thing was b T Wars weekend, right because there would

0:24:48.600 --> 0:24:50.720
<v Speaker 2>be all kinds of celebrities that I would recognize that

0:24:50.760 --> 0:24:52.760
<v Speaker 2>the bus wouldn't know who they were, and so the

0:24:52.760 --> 0:24:55.520
<v Speaker 2>bus wouldn't believe me that these people were famous. I'm like, yo,

0:24:55.560 --> 0:24:57.080
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you know this motherfucker? Are two

0:24:57.119 --> 0:25:00.040
<v Speaker 2>number ones? We ain't never heard of him before? No,

0:25:00.920 --> 0:25:04.440
<v Speaker 2>he signed to Luducris and them he's that's like, actually,

0:25:05.080 --> 0:25:06.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to say the guy's name, but like,

0:25:06.520 --> 0:25:09.359
<v Speaker 2>that's actually that guy is a huge singer. Like you

0:25:09.359 --> 0:25:10.600
<v Speaker 2>guys should probably care about him.

0:25:10.600 --> 0:25:13.760
<v Speaker 1>Wait, don't know, fuck, keep going no.

0:25:14.760 --> 0:25:20.160
<v Speaker 2>But I mean so anyway, so you know, I'm making

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<v Speaker 2>good money because I'm making my tips off the tour.

0:25:23.280 --> 0:25:25.439
<v Speaker 2>I'm doing three different jobs for TMC. I'm also on

0:25:25.520 --> 0:25:27.600
<v Speaker 2>the camera with my on the street with my camera.

0:25:28.359 --> 0:25:30.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm on the street with my camera. I'm doing the tour.

0:25:31.480 --> 0:25:33.760
<v Speaker 1>Oh, you're doing the tour and the newsroom and all this.

0:25:33.920 --> 0:25:37.560
<v Speaker 2>On the tour and the newsroom. They gave me as

0:25:37.600 --> 0:25:39.640
<v Speaker 2>mean jobs as they could and.

0:25:41.640 --> 0:25:43.560
<v Speaker 1>Did you join as they were like a startup or

0:25:43.720 --> 0:25:45.200
<v Speaker 1>they like startup level, so they were.

0:25:45.440 --> 0:25:47.879
<v Speaker 2>This was two thousand and so they started in like

0:25:47.920 --> 0:25:51.000
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and five. I got there five years later.

0:25:51.480 --> 0:25:53.200
<v Speaker 1>That's considered still startup.

0:25:52.960 --> 0:25:57.240
<v Speaker 2>Probably, so they were they were the newsroom cast was established,

0:25:57.880 --> 0:26:00.040
<v Speaker 2>so I had to break in. I'll give her. I

0:26:00.119 --> 0:26:03.879
<v Speaker 2>always give Harvey credit for this. He the same joke,

0:26:04.119 --> 0:26:06.600
<v Speaker 2>because it's very hard to break into that room because

0:26:07.680 --> 0:26:13.200
<v Speaker 2>when you're in the room and you're everybody's fighting for airtime,

0:26:13.440 --> 0:26:15.960
<v Speaker 2>the camera's always on Harvey. But as far as you

0:26:15.960 --> 0:26:18.639
<v Speaker 2>you got to say something, you got to do something

0:26:18.680 --> 0:26:22.280
<v Speaker 2>to stand out. So you get you start to maximize

0:26:22.320 --> 0:26:24.600
<v Speaker 2>the moments that you have, and if you're on that

0:26:24.640 --> 0:26:29.360
<v Speaker 2>means somebody else isn't. So once it's ten motherfucker's in there,

0:26:30.000 --> 0:26:32.040
<v Speaker 2>they're not looking for the eleventh motherfucker to come in.

0:26:32.840 --> 0:26:34.760
<v Speaker 2>But Harvey knew that I had that joke that.

0:26:34.720 --> 0:26:36.720
<v Speaker 1>I could tell on the I want to hear the joke.

0:26:37.600 --> 0:26:39.640
<v Speaker 2>It kind of doesn't work without us being on the tour,

0:26:39.720 --> 0:26:44.399
<v Speaker 2>but so we so we passed by the Hustler store

0:26:44.400 --> 0:26:47.320
<v Speaker 2>on the tour, and so it would stop on the

0:26:47.400 --> 0:26:49.760
<v Speaker 2>Hustler tour, and this was a different time to tell

0:26:49.800 --> 0:26:57.199
<v Speaker 2>this joke. Okay, So so we would stop and I

0:26:57.200 --> 0:27:00.560
<v Speaker 2>would have the bus stop right by the hustle and

0:27:00.640 --> 0:27:03.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, Larry Flynn is right, Larry Flint started Hustler,

0:27:04.160 --> 0:27:07.439
<v Speaker 2>and I'd be like, this guy's husher store. Larry Flint

0:27:07.480 --> 0:27:09.960
<v Speaker 2>started Hustler. And I don't know if you guys know this,

0:27:10.000 --> 0:27:12.640
<v Speaker 2>but Larry Flint is one of the most important men

0:27:13.600 --> 0:27:16.239
<v Speaker 2>in the history of civil rights. And they're like, what

0:27:16.240 --> 0:27:18.240
<v Speaker 2>are you talking about? And I was like, well, you

0:27:18.240 --> 0:27:20.440
<v Speaker 2>guys might not know this, but Larry Flynn is in

0:27:20.480 --> 0:27:24.280
<v Speaker 2>a wheelchair. He was shot. One of the reasons why

0:27:24.400 --> 0:27:27.280
<v Speaker 2>Larry Flint was shot was because there were people that

0:27:27.320 --> 0:27:31.280
<v Speaker 2>were upset that he was doing interracial photo spreads in

0:27:31.320 --> 0:27:34.399
<v Speaker 2>a hustler. It's very true, and the bust will go, oh,

0:27:34.480 --> 0:27:36.199
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know that, and I would go like, yeah,

0:27:36.280 --> 0:27:39.280
<v Speaker 2>so Larry Flint, it's very important to a right leader

0:27:39.320 --> 0:27:41.240
<v Speaker 2>because he took a bullet so that I could fuck

0:27:41.280 --> 0:27:46.840
<v Speaker 2>white women. That's that's good, right, And so I remember Harvey,

0:27:47.080 --> 0:27:52.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, and so I go and so they

0:27:52.760 --> 0:27:56.600
<v Speaker 2>don't want to laugh. They don't want to laugh. But

0:27:56.680 --> 0:27:58.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm in the room and I say that everybody, and

0:27:58.720 --> 0:28:01.120
<v Speaker 2>it's so far out of left field, and they've never

0:28:01.160 --> 0:28:05.960
<v Speaker 2>heard the sound of my voice before. I remember shout

0:28:05.960 --> 0:28:08.320
<v Speaker 2>out to Nina Parker, who worked at TMZ with me,

0:28:09.000 --> 0:28:10.920
<v Speaker 2>who's still a dear friend of mine to this day.

0:28:11.440 --> 0:28:14.159
<v Speaker 2>Beautiful black woman. Nina was looking at me like, I know,

0:28:14.200 --> 0:28:15.800
<v Speaker 2>they didn't just bring one of these niggas into the

0:28:15.880 --> 0:28:20.560
<v Speaker 2>newsroom where these goddamn Tiger Woods is. But that joke

0:28:20.600 --> 0:28:22.960
<v Speaker 2>put me over in the newsroom, and so and he

0:28:23.040 --> 0:28:27.280
<v Speaker 2>knew that they would. And so after that boom they

0:28:27.320 --> 0:28:29.920
<v Speaker 2>all left. Another thing I tell the kids, I don't

0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:32.200
<v Speaker 2>want to be hyper verbose about the whole TMZ situation,

0:28:32.280 --> 0:28:38.680
<v Speaker 2>but another thing I tell the kids is your ability

0:28:38.720 --> 0:28:41.480
<v Speaker 2>to succeed at a place is not just about your talent.

0:28:41.560 --> 0:28:43.720
<v Speaker 2>It's about your ability to recognize opportunity.

0:28:44.200 --> 0:28:45.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:28:45.720 --> 0:28:50.120
<v Speaker 2>So the very first year I was there, I realized

0:28:50.480 --> 0:28:54.320
<v Speaker 2>that everybody goes home for Christmas, so everybody takes off

0:28:54.360 --> 0:28:58.280
<v Speaker 2>for Christmas. So if you watched the show, it's always

0:28:58.320 --> 0:29:01.400
<v Speaker 2>a buzzy newsroom. Everybody is around, everybody's doing all of this,

0:29:01.480 --> 0:29:05.440
<v Speaker 2>but it's bare bones in there, like any point after

0:29:05.480 --> 0:29:08.560
<v Speaker 2>Thanksgiving to the news year New Year, because everybody's rotating

0:29:08.560 --> 0:29:11.160
<v Speaker 2>in and off vacation, but they're still doing the show.

0:29:11.240 --> 0:29:13.080
<v Speaker 2>They still have to do a show. They don't go

0:29:13.160 --> 0:29:15.400
<v Speaker 2>dark for two weeks like everybody else is a daily show.

0:29:16.080 --> 0:29:18.920
<v Speaker 2>I did not go home. I stuck around, And when

0:29:18.920 --> 0:29:22.840
<v Speaker 2>I stuck around, I got all of the time to

0:29:23.040 --> 0:29:25.560
<v Speaker 2>talk and be on camera that I wanted to. So

0:29:25.600 --> 0:29:28.960
<v Speaker 2>in that month, I endeared myself to the audience. Right

0:29:29.000 --> 0:29:32.280
<v Speaker 2>after that, he comes in, he goes, we're gonna give

0:29:32.280 --> 0:29:34.920
<v Speaker 2>you a raise, We're gonna do all of this next

0:29:34.920 --> 0:29:39.600
<v Speaker 2>time contract with UP and I just my stature at

0:29:39.600 --> 0:29:42.280
<v Speaker 2>TMZ just went up to the point to where I

0:29:42.280 --> 0:29:45.800
<v Speaker 2>think maybe a year two years after that, I was

0:29:45.840 --> 0:29:46.360
<v Speaker 2>a producer.

0:29:58.080 --> 0:30:01.360
<v Speaker 1>So let's take let's let's as forward to the the

0:30:01.560 --> 0:30:08.800
<v Speaker 1>iconic moments. Kanye, Kanye West him. I love Kanye, I

0:30:08.840 --> 0:30:09.920
<v Speaker 1>love old Kanye.

0:30:10.120 --> 0:30:14.880
<v Speaker 2>Now you like him? Now I can tell yeah.

0:30:14.680 --> 0:30:16.440
<v Speaker 1>You know what, it's so funny. So my favorite rapper

0:30:16.480 --> 0:30:19.280
<v Speaker 1>is jay Z and my little brother's favorite rapper is Kanye.

0:30:20.240 --> 0:30:23.600
<v Speaker 1>But now Eagle acknowledges that jay Z's the ultimate goat.

0:30:23.760 --> 0:30:28.520
<v Speaker 1>So you know, we have a great, great relationship. But uh, Kanye,

0:30:28.760 --> 0:30:32.959
<v Speaker 1>let me try this girl cheese, go for it.

0:30:33.880 --> 0:30:36.400
<v Speaker 2>Bless you as straight from Angola State Penitentiary right there.

0:30:36.720 --> 0:30:41.680
<v Speaker 1>Let's see. But Kanye, old Kanye was simply amazing to me.

0:30:41.840 --> 0:30:44.640
<v Speaker 1>I loved how outspoken he was. I don't know what

0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:48.760
<v Speaker 1>happened in the Kardashian era, like what kind of drugs

0:30:48.760 --> 0:30:52.680
<v Speaker 1>they put him on or what went wrong because he

0:30:52.760 --> 0:30:55.520
<v Speaker 1>was always pro from the bush statement like he was

0:30:55.560 --> 0:30:58.960
<v Speaker 1>always that guy. So take us to that day, what's

0:30:59.000 --> 0:31:01.360
<v Speaker 1>going on from beginning to end?

0:31:01.960 --> 0:31:08.240
<v Speaker 2>So Harvey had gone to that buttern So Harvey had

0:31:08.280 --> 0:31:12.840
<v Speaker 2>gone to you know, the week before then, Kanye had

0:31:12.840 --> 0:31:15.600
<v Speaker 2>an album going out, and this is after the Trump stuff,

0:31:15.640 --> 0:31:17.840
<v Speaker 2>and he had, you know, gone off at his at

0:31:17.840 --> 0:31:20.440
<v Speaker 2>his show and all of that stuff. Harvey had gone

0:31:20.480 --> 0:31:23.240
<v Speaker 2>out to Calabasas. He was so giddy called me up

0:31:23.280 --> 0:31:27.000
<v Speaker 2>to his office and he goes, look, look it is.

0:31:27.040 --> 0:31:30.200
<v Speaker 2>It's me hanging out with Kanye West. So I'm like whatever,

0:31:32.080 --> 0:31:34.160
<v Speaker 2>you were like whatever? Yeah, I'm like at this point,

0:31:34.200 --> 0:31:36.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't give a fuck about that. I hate that

0:31:36.800 --> 0:31:41.160
<v Speaker 2>type of ship. I'll tell you what I hate. Don't

0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:46.959
<v Speaker 2>talk to me about who you was hanging out with ever. Like,

0:31:47.080 --> 0:31:50.239
<v Speaker 2>if you go to a party, when you come back

0:31:50.280 --> 0:31:51.760
<v Speaker 2>and talk to me about the party, talk to me

0:31:51.760 --> 0:31:54.480
<v Speaker 2>about how the vibes were, where the drinks good, was

0:31:54.480 --> 0:31:55.120
<v Speaker 2>the music good?

0:31:55.160 --> 0:31:57.040
<v Speaker 1>So I was in the room, you want to hear

0:31:57.080 --> 0:31:57.640
<v Speaker 1>about the drinks.

0:32:01.400 --> 0:32:04.200
<v Speaker 2>Give a fuck? If jay Z came to your party,

0:32:04.280 --> 0:32:06.600
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't give a fuck. What do that? So it's

0:32:06.600 --> 0:32:08.600
<v Speaker 2>a good party, friend, that's the only thing.

0:32:08.640 --> 0:32:09.480
<v Speaker 1>You've been here for a.

0:32:09.520 --> 0:32:11.479
<v Speaker 2>Whole So it's a good party because he was there.

0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:15.200
<v Speaker 2>Shout out to him like it's a good party because

0:32:15.200 --> 0:32:17.480
<v Speaker 2>he was there. I don't give them welcome Thank you,

0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:19.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't care at all. Like, hey man, the drinks

0:32:20.000 --> 0:32:23.800
<v Speaker 2>was good man, DJ was crazy. He played that old

0:32:23.800 --> 0:32:26.120
<v Speaker 2>school juvenile all of that ship. Now I'm gonna come

0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:31.200
<v Speaker 2>to the party. If you start mind party, If Jay

0:32:31.200 --> 0:32:32.680
<v Speaker 2>show up to your party, it's a I guess it's

0:32:32.720 --> 0:32:34.640
<v Speaker 2>a big deal for your party. I'm not saying that.

0:32:34.640 --> 0:32:36.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying that it doesn't make me want to attend

0:32:36.560 --> 0:32:38.120
<v Speaker 2>your party because there are famous people.

0:32:38.000 --> 0:32:41.479
<v Speaker 1>There, of course, but I'm saying that. Okay, So Harvey

0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:42.960
<v Speaker 1>comes to you, He's like, yo, I was kicking it

0:32:42.960 --> 0:32:45.760
<v Speaker 1>with con.

0:32:46.960 --> 0:32:50.960
<v Speaker 2>This is this is all I heard is Kanye, Kanye, Kanye.

0:32:51.240 --> 0:32:53.000
<v Speaker 2>And so he shows me the thing and him and

0:32:53.040 --> 0:32:55.239
<v Speaker 2>Kanye have some kind of report that they're working on

0:32:55.920 --> 0:32:59.800
<v Speaker 2>or whatever. I don't know. And so a week after

0:32:59.800 --> 0:33:04.920
<v Speaker 2>that he like, I'm in the newsroom. And by the way,

0:33:04.960 --> 0:33:06.920
<v Speaker 2>at this point, I've been very outspoken on Kanye, because

0:33:06.960 --> 0:33:10.040
<v Speaker 2>this is Kanye posing with Donald Trump, this is post

0:33:10.080 --> 0:33:12.160
<v Speaker 2>all of that stuff. So it comes up to me

0:33:12.520 --> 0:33:15.960
<v Speaker 2>after the morning meeting. He goes, hey, I was like

0:33:16.000 --> 0:33:20.360
<v Speaker 2>what there he goes, we didn't want to tell you,

0:33:20.400 --> 0:33:22.120
<v Speaker 2>But in about ten minutes, Kanye was about to show

0:33:22.160 --> 0:33:26.880
<v Speaker 2>up here. I was like inside of TMZ and he

0:33:27.000 --> 0:33:28.840
<v Speaker 2>was like yeah. He was like all right, just let

0:33:28.920 --> 0:33:31.120
<v Speaker 2>you know all the mics are going to be down.

0:33:31.640 --> 0:33:35.560
<v Speaker 2>Because the way it works is for TMZ Live, which

0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:37.480
<v Speaker 2>is the l show, Showa comes up the middle of

0:33:37.480 --> 0:33:39.080
<v Speaker 2>the day. You have a red button at your desk

0:33:39.280 --> 0:33:41.680
<v Speaker 2>and a thing at your desk. Anytime you have that

0:33:41.760 --> 0:33:46.920
<v Speaker 2>red button, you can talk. So after Harvey and Charles

0:33:46.920 --> 0:33:48.920
<v Speaker 2>do their thing, you hit that red button, you can talk.

0:33:49.720 --> 0:33:51.520
<v Speaker 2>So when I want to jump in and say something funny,

0:33:51.600 --> 0:33:53.560
<v Speaker 2>I jump in and say something funny. When I want

0:33:53.600 --> 0:33:55.920
<v Speaker 2>to jump in when it's time for them to come

0:33:55.960 --> 0:33:57.880
<v Speaker 2>to me, like Van van Van talk, you can talk.

0:33:58.120 --> 0:33:59.720
<v Speaker 2>But they had all the mics down because they just

0:33:59.720 --> 0:34:03.120
<v Speaker 2>wanted to be Harvey, Charles and Kanye West. Okay cool.

0:34:03.680 --> 0:34:07.640
<v Speaker 2>So I go sit at my shout out to Charlemagne

0:34:07.680 --> 0:34:14.759
<v Speaker 2>because uh. I go sit down at my desk and

0:34:14.800 --> 0:34:18.080
<v Speaker 2>I start watching the interview that Charlemagne did with Kanye

0:34:18.120 --> 0:34:20.600
<v Speaker 2>that dropped that very same day when he was walking

0:34:20.640 --> 0:34:23.120
<v Speaker 2>around Calabasa. So I started watching that. I'm at the desk.

0:34:24.080 --> 0:34:27.239
<v Speaker 2>Kanye West comes in, very polite guy. I says hello

0:34:27.280 --> 0:34:28.960
<v Speaker 2>to everyone and everything like that. They go over to

0:34:28.960 --> 0:34:30.600
<v Speaker 2>the team's he live to start doing teams? He live.

0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:32.879
<v Speaker 2>As soon as the cameras come on, he turns into

0:34:32.920 --> 0:34:36.080
<v Speaker 2>a fucking demon, right like when I say to you,

0:34:36.080 --> 0:34:38.719
<v Speaker 2>when I'm like it just I come alive in the

0:34:38.840 --> 0:34:42.399
<v Speaker 2>nighttime type shit. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, he's

0:34:42.440 --> 0:34:43.799
<v Speaker 2>talking now. I mean, I'm not saying that.

0:34:43.760 --> 0:34:46.120
<v Speaker 1>He was being say demon like the stuff he was saying.

0:34:46.200 --> 0:34:49.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the demon I'm not demonizing. Kanye West was like

0:34:50.400 --> 0:34:52.359
<v Speaker 2>the stream of consciousness, the whole thing. I'm like, oh shit,

0:34:52.600 --> 0:34:54.839
<v Speaker 2>but I'm still not paying any attention. I'm not paying

0:34:54.840 --> 0:34:57.480
<v Speaker 2>any attention. I'm looking at the interview. I'm not a

0:34:57.480 --> 0:34:58.360
<v Speaker 2>part of this conversation.

0:34:58.440 --> 0:35:00.560
<v Speaker 1>So you're looking at the interview. But watch she kind

0:35:00.600 --> 0:35:01.200
<v Speaker 1>of looking.

0:35:01.040 --> 0:35:04.200
<v Speaker 2>Up or Kanya not really. But remember I've been told

0:35:04.239 --> 0:35:07.160
<v Speaker 2>specifically that I'm not part of this conversation. So it's

0:35:07.160 --> 0:35:14.160
<v Speaker 2>on them. Uh, Kanye says, uh a slavery four hundred. Oh.

0:35:14.200 --> 0:35:17.759
<v Speaker 2>By the way, Kennice Owens is with him. She came

0:35:17.800 --> 0:35:18.680
<v Speaker 2>to the office with him.

0:35:18.719 --> 0:35:21.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how you're not looking, not watching the

0:35:21.040 --> 0:35:23.080
<v Speaker 1>interview and still looking at the shar interview.

0:35:23.480 --> 0:35:28.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm looking at the Charlemagne interview. They're walking around Calabasas, like,

0:35:28.880 --> 0:35:31.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, they they Kanye got his hair, you know,

0:35:31.200 --> 0:35:33.040
<v Speaker 2>they having all of these deep ass sauce. I'm looking

0:35:33.080 --> 0:35:34.600
<v Speaker 2>at but I can. I can hear him though, because

0:35:34.600 --> 0:35:37.319
<v Speaker 2>he starts to scream. He doesn't just want to talk

0:35:37.320 --> 0:35:39.719
<v Speaker 2>to Harvey and Charles, he wants to talk to all right,

0:35:40.280 --> 0:35:41.960
<v Speaker 2>So I can I can hear him. It was like, God,

0:35:42.040 --> 0:35:46.319
<v Speaker 2>damn this nigga, Damn that nigga on one and so like,

0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:50.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm still looking at it, and he says, slavery four

0:35:50.760 --> 0:35:53.759
<v Speaker 2>hundred years, four hundred years. That seems like a choice

0:35:53.760 --> 0:35:55.600
<v Speaker 2>to me, and everybody's.

0:35:55.160 --> 0:36:02.520
<v Speaker 1>Like, oh, audible, how look when he said that, couldn't

0:36:02.520 --> 0:36:02.919
<v Speaker 1>see her.

0:36:03.040 --> 0:36:05.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't know she. I think she was in the

0:36:05.040 --> 0:36:08.880
<v Speaker 2>other room because there's a side room. A couple of

0:36:08.920 --> 0:36:10.680
<v Speaker 2>weeks before that, and maybe like a month before that,

0:36:10.840 --> 0:36:13.960
<v Speaker 2>Candace had gone viral for shutting down some some students

0:36:13.960 --> 0:36:15.920
<v Speaker 2>that had come to a turning point us a meeting

0:36:16.200 --> 0:36:18.160
<v Speaker 2>where she had said I hear a victim, and I

0:36:18.200 --> 0:36:22.440
<v Speaker 2>don't like you, and fuck civil rights whatever and and

0:36:22.600 --> 0:36:24.880
<v Speaker 2>whatever she said to them, and Kanye was like, this

0:36:24.920 --> 0:36:26.239
<v Speaker 2>is the type of thinking that I like. And then

0:36:26.239 --> 0:36:29.719
<v Speaker 2>he put it Kanye put Candisons on like she like

0:36:29.800 --> 0:36:32.680
<v Speaker 2>she she By the way, this is if any want

0:36:32.680 --> 0:36:34.880
<v Speaker 2>to make a judgment, call about Candace Owns, go to

0:36:34.920 --> 0:36:36.239
<v Speaker 2>wherever you go to for wherever you want to go

0:36:36.280 --> 0:36:38.719
<v Speaker 2>to or whatever. But he put her on basically, so

0:36:38.760 --> 0:36:39.960
<v Speaker 2>she was with him for a little while. I think

0:36:39.960 --> 0:36:44.080
<v Speaker 2>he got a lot of his his his early political

0:36:44.200 --> 0:36:47.520
<v Speaker 2>when he was first in that new sort of right

0:36:47.640 --> 0:36:49.799
<v Speaker 2>sphere of thought. I think a lot of he got

0:36:49.800 --> 0:36:51.520
<v Speaker 2>a lot of that stuff from her. I think he

0:36:51.560 --> 0:36:53.320
<v Speaker 2>probably still does it this day, from a lot of

0:36:53.320 --> 0:36:56.200
<v Speaker 2>those types of people. Anyhow, So he's talking. He says

0:36:56.200 --> 0:36:58.359
<v Speaker 2>that I didn't say anything when he said that. There's

0:36:58.360 --> 0:37:00.239
<v Speaker 2>a there's a misconception that he said that. And I

0:37:00.280 --> 0:37:03.319
<v Speaker 2>was like, nah, I didn't like. I didn't like like.

0:37:03.320 --> 0:37:06.000
<v Speaker 2>I didn't say yeah. People think it was like a

0:37:06.000 --> 0:37:08.560
<v Speaker 2>big deal. I didn't say nothing, right, I didn't say

0:37:08.560 --> 0:37:16.520
<v Speaker 2>anything at all? His business? He asked, He asked very simply.

0:37:17.440 --> 0:37:21.759
<v Speaker 2>He said that everyone gasps. One other person had said once,

0:37:22.080 --> 0:37:24.000
<v Speaker 2>one other thing about something that he had said. But

0:37:24.040 --> 0:37:27.919
<v Speaker 2>most of the people in the room this sidebar real quick.

0:37:28.200 --> 0:37:32.239
<v Speaker 2>You guys have no idea. I guess you actually probably do.

0:37:32.280 --> 0:37:34.799
<v Speaker 2>Because Atlanta has per capital more famous people than anywhere else.

0:37:34.800 --> 0:37:36.920
<v Speaker 2>You can't go to the fucking mall without goddamn nigga.

0:37:36.960 --> 0:37:42.080
<v Speaker 2>Wasn't you in atl But like, but just fame just

0:37:42.160 --> 0:37:47.120
<v Speaker 2>paralyzes people, particularly in LA like fame just like just like,

0:37:47.200 --> 0:37:48.680
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, it doesn't matter what he would have

0:37:48.719 --> 0:37:50.560
<v Speaker 2>said up there, He's saying stuff, and people are like,

0:37:50.680 --> 0:37:52.759
<v Speaker 2>Jesus Christ is the most famous person that's ever been

0:37:52.800 --> 0:37:53.799
<v Speaker 2>inside this office before.

0:37:53.920 --> 0:37:56.879
<v Speaker 1>But I'm surprised because at they crossed passed it a lot.

0:37:57.040 --> 0:38:01.440
<v Speaker 2>No nobody liked that like it. It's like, especially to

0:38:01.480 --> 0:38:03.840
<v Speaker 2>be in the office doing that. It's one thing to

0:38:04.560 --> 0:38:06.839
<v Speaker 2>have to see people out on the street and get

0:38:06.880 --> 0:38:10.600
<v Speaker 2>a but you know, there's a specific TMZ celebrity that

0:38:10.640 --> 0:38:13.040
<v Speaker 2>we talk to all the time. You know, nobody like that.

0:38:14.120 --> 0:38:16.719
<v Speaker 1>So take us back to that moment before you Superman.

0:38:17.320 --> 0:38:19.800
<v Speaker 2>So he says that, and he turns around and he goes,

0:38:20.239 --> 0:38:22.759
<v Speaker 2>he says the whole thing, and he goes, does it

0:38:22.840 --> 0:38:27.600
<v Speaker 2>feel like I'm speaking freely? He says that. He turns around,

0:38:27.640 --> 0:38:30.439
<v Speaker 2>he goes, does it feel like I'm speaking freely? Okay,

0:38:30.520 --> 0:38:31.960
<v Speaker 2>Now let me tell you a split second just how

0:38:32.000 --> 0:38:39.799
<v Speaker 2>my mind works, Like for me, I just have like

0:38:39.920 --> 0:38:43.319
<v Speaker 2>my insecurity is that I just can't be the nigga

0:38:43.360 --> 0:38:45.560
<v Speaker 2>you could fuck over. I don't have to be the

0:38:45.680 --> 0:38:49.319
<v Speaker 2>number one guy. But like, I'll fight you until you

0:38:49.360 --> 0:38:51.640
<v Speaker 2>realize you can't fuck over me. I'll play you in

0:38:51.680 --> 0:38:53.799
<v Speaker 2>basketball to I realize I can't be the easy guy

0:38:53.840 --> 0:38:56.120
<v Speaker 2>to get over on. Okay, So if you ask me

0:38:56.160 --> 0:39:00.000
<v Speaker 2>something like that and I didn't say anything, there's toxicity.

0:39:00.080 --> 0:39:03.440
<v Speaker 2>The immediate says, I gotta answer this question, like I

0:39:03.480 --> 0:39:07.919
<v Speaker 2>can't have allowed him that somebody might think that. It's

0:39:07.960 --> 0:39:11.080
<v Speaker 2>like everybody was, like you are filled up with the answers,

0:39:11.160 --> 0:39:13.560
<v Speaker 2>is not. I didn't want to feel like a weakling. Yes,

0:39:13.960 --> 0:39:16.680
<v Speaker 2>I didn't want to miss my opportunity to tell him

0:39:16.719 --> 0:39:18.759
<v Speaker 2>how I feel like he was acting, because then it

0:39:18.760 --> 0:39:21.719
<v Speaker 2>feels like I'm the one that he could just kind

0:39:21.719 --> 0:39:23.560
<v Speaker 2>of get off on. So he says that and not

0:39:23.600 --> 0:39:25.560
<v Speaker 2>gonna know y'all, I don't feel like you're thinking anything,

0:39:25.960 --> 0:39:28.879
<v Speaker 2>Like actually you don't know you I remember I said,

0:39:28.880 --> 0:39:29.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna go back to the whole thing. But

0:39:29.960 --> 0:39:32.920
<v Speaker 2>you look crazy right now, like everything that you're doing,

0:39:33.080 --> 0:39:36.200
<v Speaker 2>not just now but every other time, like you look crazy.

0:39:36.239 --> 0:39:40.040
<v Speaker 2>You're not thinking and particularly this. It's not even about that.

0:39:41.719 --> 0:39:49.400
<v Speaker 2>It's about what the regression or how can I put this?

0:39:49.480 --> 0:39:58.000
<v Speaker 2>Not regression, it's what a guy like that represents because

0:39:58.080 --> 0:40:04.480
<v Speaker 2>we empower him, like spinning your youth, like arming somebody

0:40:04.520 --> 0:40:08.399
<v Speaker 2>with this great, big cultural gun. Everything that Kanye did

0:40:08.480 --> 0:40:10.600
<v Speaker 2>were I was down in Louisiana where he said George

0:40:10.600 --> 0:40:13.040
<v Speaker 2>Bush doesn't care about black people. He was my god.

0:40:13.280 --> 0:40:14.759
<v Speaker 2>Like all the things that he would say when he

0:40:14.760 --> 0:40:18.680
<v Speaker 2>would speak out, like you defend them, you advocate for him,

0:40:18.800 --> 0:40:20.719
<v Speaker 2>you do it, You stand by and you just the

0:40:20.760 --> 0:40:22.960
<v Speaker 2>little cultural gun that he has, a little megaphone, it

0:40:23.040 --> 0:40:25.840
<v Speaker 2>just gets bigger and bigger. The gun just gets bigger

0:40:26.160 --> 0:40:28.720
<v Speaker 2>and bigger and bigger, and then one day you're staring

0:40:28.760 --> 0:40:31.359
<v Speaker 2>down the barrel of it. Now the things that he's

0:40:31.400 --> 0:40:34.160
<v Speaker 2>saying that you've empowered him to say are being turned

0:40:34.239 --> 0:40:37.319
<v Speaker 2>right back at you, and so like it's like, hey,

0:40:37.360 --> 0:40:40.840
<v Speaker 2>don't shoot me, Like why why are you shoot at me?

0:40:41.800 --> 0:40:43.960
<v Speaker 2>Like you know what I'm saying. It's like I'm the

0:40:44.000 --> 0:40:48.000
<v Speaker 2>same dude like you you Kanye West. I love you. Yeah,

0:40:48.080 --> 0:40:50.840
<v Speaker 2>Like if I'm not about to diss him, never would

0:40:50.840 --> 0:40:53.279
<v Speaker 2>I say to you know, you're a genius. Everything that

0:40:53.320 --> 0:40:57.680
<v Speaker 2>you've done. Is you deserve all the stuff that you've gotten.

0:40:58.040 --> 0:40:59.759
<v Speaker 2>We love you, but let me tell you how you

0:40:59.760 --> 0:41:03.120
<v Speaker 2>make us feel. That's it. That's it. I'm not trying

0:41:03.120 --> 0:41:06.600
<v Speaker 2>to go toe to toad with like a cultural deity,

0:41:07.040 --> 0:41:08.719
<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying. I'm not trying to act

0:41:08.880 --> 0:41:10.640
<v Speaker 2>like he hasn't inspired me in the ways that he's

0:41:10.640 --> 0:41:12.319
<v Speaker 2>inspired me, or act like he hasn't done the things

0:41:12.400 --> 0:41:14.160
<v Speaker 2>he's done. Like, we don't do that where I'm from.

0:41:14.160 --> 0:41:16.840
<v Speaker 2>We give you your props or else we would be haters.

0:41:17.320 --> 0:41:18.960
<v Speaker 2>But I just have to let him know, like what

0:41:19.000 --> 0:41:24.360
<v Speaker 2>you're doing right now is particularly pernicious to us because

0:41:24.680 --> 0:41:27.840
<v Speaker 2>we're in a very specific place in this country. And

0:41:27.920 --> 0:41:30.080
<v Speaker 2>when you go back and you watch it, you listen, Now, look,

0:41:30.160 --> 0:41:32.879
<v Speaker 2>my thing is this any one person like that. There's

0:41:32.880 --> 0:41:34.520
<v Speaker 2>no person that's going to be able to be a

0:41:34.600 --> 0:41:38.040
<v Speaker 2>nigger whisperer and change what somebody thinks. Like there's a

0:41:38.160 --> 0:41:41.400
<v Speaker 2>day to day experience that people have that has to

0:41:41.440 --> 0:41:44.640
<v Speaker 2>do with their surroundings, who they are, their input and

0:41:44.680 --> 0:41:46.880
<v Speaker 2>output that's going to affect how they look at the world.

0:41:47.160 --> 0:41:50.319
<v Speaker 2>And you're not asking anybody to be to change that.

0:41:50.400 --> 0:41:52.920
<v Speaker 2>But what I do think is important as black people

0:41:53.840 --> 0:41:57.239
<v Speaker 2>is for us to be cognizant of how what we

0:41:57.320 --> 0:42:00.720
<v Speaker 2>do affects other people. For example, I worked at TMZ

0:42:00.800 --> 0:42:05.480
<v Speaker 2>for nine years. I'm not in a moral position to

0:42:05.600 --> 0:42:11.160
<v Speaker 2>chastise anyone, like literally, like not in a figurative way.

0:42:11.200 --> 0:42:14.799
<v Speaker 2>I'm not in a moral position to chastise anyone. I

0:42:14.920 --> 0:42:18.920
<v Speaker 2>understand compromises that people have to make in order to

0:42:18.960 --> 0:42:20.680
<v Speaker 2>get to where they want to get. I understand that

0:42:20.719 --> 0:42:23.200
<v Speaker 2>sometimes people might walk into situations and not really know

0:42:23.239 --> 0:42:25.560
<v Speaker 2>what it is that they're getting into. And then on

0:42:25.600 --> 0:42:28.720
<v Speaker 2>the other side, you know better than you do better, right,

0:42:28.840 --> 0:42:33.280
<v Speaker 2>So it's not about that. It's about just alerting someone

0:42:33.719 --> 0:42:36.719
<v Speaker 2>when you feel like they're doing harm and then that's that.

0:42:37.040 --> 0:42:39.759
<v Speaker 2>And then after that, after I've said my piece, you

0:42:39.800 --> 0:42:43.000
<v Speaker 2>can choose either you can continue to harm me or

0:42:43.040 --> 0:42:43.840
<v Speaker 2>you can be different.

0:42:44.200 --> 0:42:48.480
<v Speaker 1>So how did that milestone with Kanye change the trajectory

0:42:48.719 --> 0:42:52.160
<v Speaker 1>of your life? Because it definitely had a huge impact.

0:42:53.120 --> 0:42:57.239
<v Speaker 2>So it was really the beginning of my career. And

0:42:57.280 --> 0:43:00.480
<v Speaker 2>the reason why it was was because number one, I

0:43:00.520 --> 0:43:02.200
<v Speaker 2>was never going to be able to leave TMZ with

0:43:02.200 --> 0:43:04.759
<v Speaker 2>the reputation that they have there. And this is not

0:43:04.800 --> 0:43:07.680
<v Speaker 2>shots at TMZ or anything like that. Once you leave

0:43:07.719 --> 0:43:12.920
<v Speaker 2>a place that has such a distinct perch and culture,

0:43:13.440 --> 0:43:16.319
<v Speaker 2>it's very difficult for people to believe certain things about you.

0:43:17.200 --> 0:43:18.960
<v Speaker 2>And I think going old.

0:43:18.840 --> 0:43:21.080
<v Speaker 1>What do you mean, like, what kind of culture, like.

0:43:22.640 --> 0:43:23.319
<v Speaker 2>Are you familiar with?

0:43:23.920 --> 0:43:30.880
<v Speaker 1>I am familiar with them. I'm just saying, describe it. Ah,

0:43:31.400 --> 0:43:33.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying from the journalists perspective, You're saying like.

0:43:34.040 --> 0:43:37.960
<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm saying. So, look, there's a reason why

0:43:38.560 --> 0:43:44.480
<v Speaker 2>like a TMS exists. And honestly, the reason why TMS

0:43:44.600 --> 0:43:55.680
<v Speaker 2>exists is the need for people to feel good about themselves.

0:43:53.480 --> 0:43:56.400
<v Speaker 1>The reader or the watcher to feel good about themselves.

0:43:56.400 --> 0:44:06.560
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you why. So the celebrity in America is overloved,

0:44:07.600 --> 0:44:12.080
<v Speaker 2>way overloved, over important, over everything. It just doesn't matter

0:44:12.120 --> 0:44:14.680
<v Speaker 2>that much that somebody is famous or rich. It just

0:44:14.719 --> 0:44:20.320
<v Speaker 2>really doesn't matter that much. Honestly, it's probably a net negative. However,

0:44:20.640 --> 0:44:26.480
<v Speaker 2>it's so it's so precious to people that there's a

0:44:26.600 --> 0:44:30.279
<v Speaker 2>need to feel that that person has done or is

0:44:30.360 --> 0:44:33.919
<v Speaker 2>doing something wrong, like.

0:44:33.920 --> 0:44:36.280
<v Speaker 1>To more humanize them.

0:44:36.560 --> 0:44:39.560
<v Speaker 2>Right, So, like the question becomes this, say, take take

0:44:39.640 --> 0:44:45.120
<v Speaker 2>Kim Kardashian, right, everybody saw her fuck right. Everybody saw her. Fuck,

0:44:45.160 --> 0:44:47.560
<v Speaker 2>it's just sex tape out. Everybody saw her right, everybody

0:44:47.560 --> 0:44:51.600
<v Speaker 2>watched the sex tape that comes out. And people get

0:44:51.640 --> 0:44:53.919
<v Speaker 2>to make the decision about whether or not they would

0:44:53.960 --> 0:44:57.919
<v Speaker 2>have that happen for them, whether or not they would

0:44:58.000 --> 0:45:00.520
<v Speaker 2>go through that in order to be Kim Kardashian, And

0:45:00.560 --> 0:45:03.560
<v Speaker 2>it makes them feel good to say no. So it

0:45:05.360 --> 0:45:07.680
<v Speaker 2>makes them feel good to say, you know what, I

0:45:07.719 --> 0:45:10.319
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't want that life. It's too crazy. It makes them

0:45:10.400 --> 0:45:13.000
<v Speaker 2>good to feel to say. It makes him feel good

0:45:13.000 --> 0:45:15.400
<v Speaker 2>to say, I wouldn't compromise myself in that way. It

0:45:15.400 --> 0:45:17.239
<v Speaker 2>makes him feel good to say, I would never do this.

0:45:17.360 --> 0:45:19.160
<v Speaker 2>I would never be around these people. I would never

0:45:19.160 --> 0:45:20.680
<v Speaker 2>do that. I would never do this. It makes him

0:45:20.680 --> 0:45:24.799
<v Speaker 2>feel good to say, Hollywood's too weird, I wouldn't do that. Right,

0:45:25.440 --> 0:45:28.239
<v Speaker 2>And TMZ feels that bloodlust that people have, and it

0:45:28.320 --> 0:45:30.920
<v Speaker 2>lets them disconnect from the idea that these people are

0:45:30.920 --> 0:45:35.120
<v Speaker 2>better than them. It lets them disconnect because every time

0:45:35.160 --> 0:45:37.600
<v Speaker 2>somebody gets a dui and it goes up to the thing.

0:45:37.640 --> 0:45:40.920
<v Speaker 2>Every time somebody gets a divorce, everybody in here knows

0:45:40.960 --> 0:45:46.440
<v Speaker 2>people have been divorced. Yeah, there's no magic or sinister

0:45:46.560 --> 0:45:50.200
<v Speaker 2>story to a divorce. Sometimes it don't work out. It

0:45:50.280 --> 0:45:52.719
<v Speaker 2>just doesn't work out. But you want to believe certain

0:45:52.719 --> 0:45:57.439
<v Speaker 2>people will never be happy because their lifestyles are antithetical

0:45:57.440 --> 0:46:02.160
<v Speaker 2>to happiness in a relationship. So want to believe antithetical

0:46:02.560 --> 0:46:06.799
<v Speaker 2>like you like you, you you, you want to believe that, right,

0:46:06.920 --> 0:46:09.799
<v Speaker 2>you want to believe that teams gives you that. In

0:46:09.880 --> 0:46:12.520
<v Speaker 2>order to do that, TMZ has to treat those people

0:46:14.239 --> 0:46:17.040
<v Speaker 2>like they're not people. They have to treat them as

0:46:17.080 --> 0:46:20.600
<v Speaker 2>if their concepts celebrity is not a person.

0:46:21.960 --> 0:46:23.960
<v Speaker 1>That's why I guess TMS comes off a little bit

0:46:23.960 --> 0:46:25.040
<v Speaker 1>invasive and ruthless.

0:46:25.120 --> 0:46:27.080
<v Speaker 2>Right, Well, no, because they're.

0:46:26.719 --> 0:46:29.680
<v Speaker 1>They're not treating they're they're treating them kind of like.

0:46:29.640 --> 0:46:31.719
<v Speaker 2>Well, you have to write like even even the TMS

0:46:31.840 --> 0:46:34.680
<v Speaker 2>tour was a celebrity safari, Like what's on a safari?

0:46:35.320 --> 0:46:37.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, animals yea, animals right.

0:46:37.200 --> 0:46:40.440
<v Speaker 2>And so and so like when when you like the

0:46:40.480 --> 0:46:43.160
<v Speaker 2>tours celebrity so far as animals, right? And so you

0:46:43.200 --> 0:46:46.120
<v Speaker 2>do that, right and what you what you say is okay, Well,

0:46:46.160 --> 0:46:48.160
<v Speaker 2>in order to be a celebrity, the game is pr

0:46:48.280 --> 0:46:50.480
<v Speaker 2>at its base, right, So this is what you sign

0:46:50.600 --> 0:46:54.840
<v Speaker 2>up for kind of right, because like there are certain

0:46:54.840 --> 0:46:57.520
<v Speaker 2>things that you don't sign up for. I'll never talk

0:46:57.880 --> 0:47:01.040
<v Speaker 2>I'll never I'll never forget this. There was the sister

0:47:01.280 --> 0:47:05.040
<v Speaker 2>of a celebrity that had that had had something taught

0:47:05.280 --> 0:47:07.120
<v Speaker 2>done to them. I'll never forget. I'm not gonna talk

0:47:07.120 --> 0:47:08.680
<v Speaker 2>about who I had the conversation with. I'm like, Yo,

0:47:08.680 --> 0:47:14.759
<v Speaker 2>we shouldn't do that. And they did the story and

0:47:14.800 --> 0:47:17.959
<v Speaker 2>this dude went on fucking and let us fucking happen.

0:47:17.920 --> 0:47:19.560
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, Yo, we had to take it

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<v Speaker 2>down and apologize and do all that stuff. Like yo,

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<v Speaker 2>like there's a limit to this. And that's not me

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<v Speaker 2>making a moral judgment on the team.

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<v Speaker 1>Team.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just telling you the way things go. So like

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<v Speaker 2>when you know all of that, when you have an

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<v Speaker 2>idea of what drives that, like obviously they're they're moral. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>there're things that you have to not care about to

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<v Speaker 2>work there. But most of the people there are good people.

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<v Speaker 2>They're just desensitized to whatever was going on there because

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<v Speaker 2>that's where they work, like like that, like that's what

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<v Speaker 2>they do. I'm there, it's the same thing. Things are

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<v Speaker 2>coming in. At a certain point, you go goddamn, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's there will be a little This is a

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<v Speaker 2>football player that had this video come out of some altercation.

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<v Speaker 2>It was in and it said savage beating by this,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was just looking at the headline, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>that's I don't think we should go savage beating there.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I think savage is like a that's like an

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<v Speaker 2>interesting way where there's just little small things. The mayor

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<v Speaker 2>of DC died, Marion Barry crack maryor Marion Barry dies

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<v Speaker 2>like he died, and like, by the way, the people

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<v Speaker 2>in DC are going to freak the funk out because

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you guys know, but Marion Barry

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<v Speaker 2>was with Martin Luther King Junior. Like where I'm from,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I deal with a group of people, the community,

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<v Speaker 2>people that are always categorized by the worst moment that

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<v Speaker 2>they have. And I don't feel comfortable with categorizing a

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<v Speaker 2>man that means so much to his city by the worst,

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<v Speaker 2>most scandalous thing he ever had. You can't talk about

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<v Speaker 2>his life without talking about that, but maybe in the

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<v Speaker 2>headline you don't do that.

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<v Speaker 3>So so.

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<v Speaker 2>All of those things start to start to happen. And

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<v Speaker 2>so for me, what the place represents, it's not even

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<v Speaker 2>so much a bunch of uh, not even so much,

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of moral people that are running around trying

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<v Speaker 2>to get the dirt on celebrities. It represents our relationship

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<v Speaker 2>to celebrity and our relationship to ourselves, because there's no

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<v Speaker 2>fucking reason whatsoever why we should spend so much time

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<v Speaker 2>talking about what happens.

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<v Speaker 3>In the lives of famous people.

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