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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke.

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Speaker 1: We are not in La today. We are over here

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Speaker 1: at eighty five South Studios with the special guests of

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Speaker 1: the day. Van Lengthen is in the building. You guys

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Speaker 1: may know him as podcaster, Academy Award winning executive producer.

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Speaker 1: You know, but I like to acknowledge you as the

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Speaker 1: man that stood up to Kanye West in the TMZ

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Speaker 1: office commissioner of the Commissioner. And we're gonna leave the

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Speaker 1: Commissioner of the BBI off. But Van, before we get

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Speaker 1: into where you're at today, I want you to take

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Speaker 1: me back to where you were when you were broke.

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Speaker 1: What dish you're gonna have cook for us to eat today,

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Speaker 1: so you can start with that.

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Speaker 2: So I get out of college around I would say

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Speaker 2: two thousand and three. Two thousand and three, I get

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Speaker 2: out of college, and there's this like transitional period in

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Speaker 2: my life because I was always interested in people's stories,

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Speaker 2: and everybody's stories seems so linear. Every story seems linear

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Speaker 2: when you're at the end of it. Everybody has a

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Speaker 2: moment that something happened for them. Everybody has a moment

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Speaker 2: that they realize something. But when you're in the middle

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Speaker 2: of it. You don't know. You'll know when it's going

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Speaker 2: to happen for you, you'll know how it's going to happen

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Speaker 2: for you. Certain people have more certainty than other people do.

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Speaker 2: But all you can do is work and try. And

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Speaker 2: I get to this point, and it's this weird, odd

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Speaker 2: point to where I'm like, nothing that I thought was

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Speaker 2: going to happen and or no way that I wanted

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Speaker 2: to go is the way that I wanted to go.

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Speaker 1: So you're graduated, we're taking back to when you graduated.

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Speaker 2: Right, And so I'm working at best Buy And this

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Speaker 2: is the same time that The College Dropout has come

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Speaker 2: out around that same time Conye's first album, and he's

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Speaker 2: talking about great album. He's talking about disillusioned high school

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Speaker 2: graduates who now have to realize that they're not going

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Speaker 2: to conquer the world, that what they're going to do

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Speaker 2: is enter into the American workforce and they're going to

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Speaker 2: be a part of something, and everything that they did

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Speaker 2: it's not just not as meaningful as they thought it

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Speaker 2: was going to be. In a way, it's spiritually debilitating.

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Speaker 2: And the song is the whole album is about breaking

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Speaker 2: free of that. Really it's about saying, hey, like I

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Speaker 2: dropped out, but I dropped out. I took a path

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Speaker 2: that ismired, let's admire, but in a way drowned upon

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Speaker 2: in order to be more alive. Like I'm not killing myself.

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Speaker 2: And so I'm to the point to where I'm like

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Speaker 2: having an existential crisis. I'm like, yo, I'm killing myself.

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Speaker 2: It's not it's not working. And so many things happen

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Speaker 2: within this two year period. My parents divorced. My mom

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Speaker 2: leaves the house, and that was very transformative for me, because,

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Speaker 2: like when a woman leaves a home right away, everything

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Speaker 2: gets less.

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Speaker 1: What you were you were talking about after college though?

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Speaker 1: Were you living at home with your parents?

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Speaker 2: Sure?

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Speaker 1: Oh you were. During college.

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Speaker 2: I went to Southern University and Van Ruge I had

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Speaker 2: gone away to school, and then I came back and

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Speaker 2: I went to Southern University because I wanted to be

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Speaker 2: around all of my friends. So I was still living

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Speaker 2: at home. The school was about ten minutes away from

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Speaker 2: where we lived.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So how old were you when your parents were

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Speaker 1: like twenty twenty two or twenty three, and so you

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Speaker 1: actually got to see it.

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Speaker 2: I got to see it, right, I got to see

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Speaker 2: it there's two people divorcing and not mommy and daddy divorcing.

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Speaker 2: And I also got to see your.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean they're not mommy and daddy divorcing.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't mommy and daddy divorcing when you're ten and

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Speaker 2: your parents break up, you're thirteen, fourteen, Mommy and daddy

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Speaker 2: are divorcing. In my life, Crystal and Terry got a

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Speaker 2: divorce because I had enough of a frame of mind,

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Speaker 2: or a frame of reference, should I say, for these

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Speaker 2: that point. So I knew the anger that my father had,

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Speaker 2: I knew the paranoia that my mother had. I knew

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Speaker 2: no longer compatible, and like what that means, Like when

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Speaker 2: you're a kid, it's like, oh, you guys gonna get

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Speaker 2: split up? Okay, who am I going to live with?

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Speaker 2: It's not the concern for me. The concern for me

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Speaker 2: is do these people still get to live the version

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Speaker 2: them that my mother I thought, Okay, this is a

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Speaker 2: a lot of things emotionally, she had felt unsupported by

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Speaker 2: a lot of things emotionally, and obviously, with my father

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Speaker 2: doing some of the things that he was doing, he

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Speaker 2: must have been unhappy too. So maybe this is a

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Speaker 2: new life for them. I'm young enough to think at

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Speaker 2: that point that severing that type of relationship in some

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Speaker 2: way could be a positive for those two people as

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Speaker 2: much as they loved each other, and loved each other

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Speaker 2: until my father passed away. But immediately she left the

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Speaker 2: house and it was two niggas living in the house

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Speaker 2: that didn't know how to do shit, Like the house

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Speaker 2: just became It's like, it's just like, I remember.

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Speaker 1: Were you young, the youngest two or something? Who are

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Speaker 1: you the youngest in your family? Because you said it

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Speaker 1: was just the two, Yeah I was.

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Speaker 2: I was the youngest in the family. I was the

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Speaker 2: only one still around. My sister had gone. You know,

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Speaker 2: my dad had other kids, but they were gone. But like,

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Speaker 2: so it's just me and him living.

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Speaker 1: Your dad had other kids, Yeah, what do you mean he.

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Speaker 2: Had other kids, Nigga, you know what I meant. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's what I'm saying. And so it was, it was

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Speaker 2: that's another reason why you're happy for her to go

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Speaker 2: and have a chance at a life that is for her.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, And.

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Speaker 2: So you know, me and him are there and it's

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Speaker 2: like she she's your mom, but she's also like a

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Speaker 2: genius in creating. She's a genius in keeping things running.

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Speaker 2: She you get taught this lesson of misogyny, and the

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Speaker 2: lesson is that somebody leaves the house and they gonna

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Speaker 2: make a whole bunch of money. And my mother worked

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Speaker 2: too and made a lot of money. But somebody leaves

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Speaker 2: the house and gonna makes a lot of money, and

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Speaker 2: then they come back into a castle and everything that

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Speaker 2: they touch inside the house turns to go. But you

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Speaker 2: don't realize that there's somebody who's keeping your life beautiful.

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Speaker 2: There's someone who's who's attention to detail, somebody whose ability

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Speaker 2: to multitask, somebody who who looks out for things. Somebody

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Speaker 2: who when something's broke, they go, Okay, you gotta fix that.

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Speaker 2: get it working. And the moment that she left, it

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Speaker 2: was the house crumbled. It fell apart, like the turn

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Speaker 2: him and he looks at me, and I'm like, right,

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Speaker 2: she gets that fixed. That motherfucker popped till we got

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Speaker 2: out of the house with him. Never fixed it, right,

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Speaker 2: The washing machine broke, never got fixed, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean. It's just just like little stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: Like my mother used to come out. This was a big,

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Speaker 2: beautiful home on about sixty acres that we had had.

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Speaker 2: She would come out and she would spray paint, like

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Speaker 2: like power washed the outside of the house to where everything,

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Speaker 2: like just me and him were just too focused on

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Speaker 2: all of that. The place was just less beautiful because

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Speaker 2: during that whole time, I'm also broke. I'm also broke.

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm working at best Buy. I'm like I'm

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Speaker 2: treading water. I don't know what I want to do.

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Speaker 2: And then Hurricane Katrina comes. And so when Hurricane Katrina comes,

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Speaker 2: this is like a weird two year period of my life,

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Speaker 2: like everything changes, like society crumbles, everybody's strapped for cash

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Speaker 2: because you've taken on so much more. You got relatives

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Speaker 2: Everything's different, and now everyone's trying to stretch that dollar.

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Speaker 2: You're eating different, you're feeling different, and it just doesn't

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Speaker 2: feel like there's any abundance. It didn't feel like that

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Speaker 2: in my life. And so that's when that was the most.

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Speaker 2: That was the point, honestly, from two thousand and three

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Speaker 2: to two thousand and five, that was the point where

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Speaker 2: I figured out myself. I moved to LA in two

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Speaker 2: thousand and six. By the time I got to LA,

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Speaker 2: I could fucking handle anything. I could handle anything I

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Speaker 2: had buried homeboys, I had put in the ground. There

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Speaker 2: was nothing the world had showed me like some really

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Speaker 2: ill shit. And so when I got out there and

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Speaker 1: So you also navigated, So what this are you gonna

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Speaker 1: have us eat today? Real cheese, grilled cheese. It's at

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Speaker 1: the staple and the most simplastic and delicious meal. Did

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Speaker 1: you have to add any tomato, soup or anything? Or

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Speaker 1: you just didn't The legendary.

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Speaker 2: Fuck all that butter bread cheese. Shout out to my

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Speaker 2: uncle David resting piece. Shout out to my uncle Mark,

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Speaker 2: rest in peace. These guys taught me the beauty the

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Speaker 2: grilled cheese. You know where they learned it at? Where

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Speaker 2: so you think? Nah? Where you think they learned the

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Speaker 2: grilled cheese at these two uncles? What do you think?

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Speaker 1: Someone screamed, somebody say it jail jail.

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Speaker 3: Yea.

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Speaker 2: I can tell what y'all you've been. I can tell

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Speaker 2: what kind of life you have been living. They they

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Speaker 2: they learned the grilled cheese in jail. They were grilled

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Speaker 2: cheese mechanics. Okay. They came back in here and they

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Speaker 2: was like, I don't know it was jail because they

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Speaker 2: because because what because yeah? Because because we know right

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Speaker 2: there was grilled cheese mechanics.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well let's see, let's judge your grilled cheese.

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Speaker 2: I haven't made it in a long time, because the

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Speaker 2: nigga is not broke no more.

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Speaker 1: You know what I've been doing this show for. This

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Speaker 1: will be our this is our third season. We're taping

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Speaker 1: right now. And some of the dishes are so good

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Speaker 1: on this show that I go home and I'll make

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Speaker 1: it broken, not make it they're good.

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Speaker 2: Butter is a very it's very sensual. Look at butter

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Speaker 2: washes washes was washes. Oh daddy, you hear that. Look

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Speaker 2: at the butter go Oh my god, butter is like delectable, right.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I use butter on my cooking.

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Speaker 2: Really, what's that? What's that?

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Speaker 1: That?

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Speaker 2: Blood pressure?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but I'm really healthy. We're really healthy.

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Speaker 2: Like what you get a church, Well, I don't.

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Speaker 1: Know if you could do a good grilled cheese. I'm

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Speaker 1: watching the way you're making this girl.

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Speaker 2: It's not gonna be good.

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Speaker 1: I'm concerned. I'm concerned because I feel like you are

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Speaker 1: gonna butcher this grilled cheese.

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Speaker 2: It's not it's not gonna be good. I can already

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Speaker 2: tell you it's not gonna be good. You know what

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Speaker 2: I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, because these jail birds, they definitely jail

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Speaker 1: the right way. How much cheese is gonna put on

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Speaker 1: this grilled cheese? This is how you did it, broke. Yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: you put three pieces of cheese on your broke grilled cheese.

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Speaker 2: I work for a place called Capricorn Programs for a while.

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Speaker 1: What do you do there?

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Speaker 2: That company goes belly up financial crisis. So when that

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Speaker 1: Live on unemployment? Hell yeah, I love unemployment.

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Speaker 2: Yep. And I become one of the world's foremost pick

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Speaker 1: Oh shit. And I was like, hell yeah.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so I do the whole thing. I do my

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Speaker 2: it's not a big deal. We're gonna have you try

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Speaker 2: the whole thing. I'm going back and forth to God,

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Speaker 1: That's a really good looking grilled cheese. Look at that.

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Speaker 1: The cheese is bubbling, guys.

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Speaker 2: Yep. It was being a tour guiy TMZ was starting

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Speaker 1: That's a brilliant concept now that I think about it.

435
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 2: The revolutionize the whole score game. So I apply, and

436
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 2: they're doing the tours like American Idol. They have all

437
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:37,400
Speaker 2: of these tour guys in there, and then every week

438
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,199
Speaker 2: they cut a guy. So I'm in there and like

439
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 2: they have me coming in there and whatever. I get

440
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 2: the whole thing. I start with the TMS tour. This

441
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 2: goes through to about everything I'm talking about. I start

442
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 2: with the TMS tour. I think April of twenty ten,

443
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,200
Speaker 2: maybe it might be twenty eleven, whatever it is with

444
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 2: the tm Tour. Then by July I started in March

445
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 2: by July, I'm on TV every day.

446
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 1: Within a couple of months.

447
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 2: Harvey came in took the tour. I was up there

448
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 2: doing my thing, and I told a joke and he

449
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,679
Speaker 2: liked the joke so much that he brought me in

450
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 2: and put me into the.

451
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 1: Into the newsom, into the newsroom. Yep, okay. So then

452
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 1: you get this newsroom opportunity, your pay goes up, benefits.

453
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 1: What are we looking at?

454
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,879
Speaker 2: So this is the way it was working. I was

455
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 2: making money because I was getting tips on the tour.

456
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 2: So I was probably making fifteen hundred dollars a week

457
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 2: straight cash off the tips on the tour. I was

458
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 2: killing these motherfucking white people. I was killing them.

459
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:46,119
Speaker 3: I was.

460
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 2: I was fucking killing them. And then you would you

461
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,199
Speaker 2: would come in and you would have like people from

462
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 2: there was tourists like they were from Australia, they were

463
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 2: from Canada. There was the thing that we do on

464
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 2: the tour to where if you see a celebrity on

465
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 2: the tour, you stop the bus, you get off, you

466
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,719
Speaker 2: shoot the celebrity. And when you're driving around in La

467
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 2: at certain times, if you know where to go, it's

468
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 2: impossible not to see famous people like if you were

469
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 2: coming to LA and you and you were hanging out

470
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 2: with me, and I was like, hey, you want to

471
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 2: sit around and watch celebrities all day? There are three

472
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 2: or four places I could tell you where it's going

473
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 2: to happen, and so we would see them, and I'm

474
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 2: a good spotter. I would spot celebrities and we would

475
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 2: see them, and the people would go credit. We all

476
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 2: kinds of people. Fucking Lady God got Leonardo DiCaprio, David

477
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 2: Beckham and just the other niggas that be around, just

478
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 2: niggas that be around us, and you would just say,

479
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 2: you know the people I'm talking about in La, they

480
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 2: just they'd be around. You see them all the time, Like, hey,

481
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 2: weren't you in Yeah, like you see them. The funniest

482
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 2: thing was b T Wars weekend, right because there would

483
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 2: be all kinds of celebrities that I would recognize that

484
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 2: the bus wouldn't know who they were, and so the

485
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 2: bus wouldn't believe me that these people were famous. I'm like, yo,

486
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 2: I don't know if you know this motherfucker? Are two

487
00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,040
Speaker 2: number ones? We ain't never heard of him before? No,

488
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 2: he signed to Luducris and them he's that's like, actually,

489
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 2: I don't want to say the guy's name, but like,

490
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 2: that's actually that guy is a huge singer. Like you

491
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 2: guys should probably care about him.

492
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 1: Wait, don't know, fuck, keep going no.

493
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 2: But I mean so anyway, so you know, I'm making

494
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 2: good money because I'm making my tips off the tour.

495
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,439
Speaker 2: I'm doing three different jobs for TMC. I'm also on

496
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 2: the camera with my on the street with my camera.

497
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 2: I'm on the street with my camera. I'm doing the tour.

498
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: Oh, you're doing the tour and the newsroom and all this.

499
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 2: On the tour and the newsroom. They gave me as

500
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 2: mean jobs as they could and.

501
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: Did you join as they were like a startup or

502
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 1: they like startup level, so they were.

503
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 2: This was two thousand and so they started in like

504
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 2: two thousand and five. I got there five years later.

505
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 1: That's considered still startup.

506
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 2: Probably, so they were they were the newsroom cast was established,

507
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,040
Speaker 2: so I had to break in. I'll give her. I

508
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 2: always give Harvey credit for this. He the same joke,

509
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 2: because it's very hard to break into that room because

510
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 2: when you're in the room and you're everybody's fighting for airtime,

511
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 2: the camera's always on Harvey. But as far as you

512
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 2: you got to say something, you got to do something

513
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 2: to stand out. So you get you start to maximize

514
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 2: the moments that you have, and if you're on that

515
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:29,360
Speaker 2: means somebody else isn't. So once it's ten motherfucker's in there,

516
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 2: they're not looking for the eleventh motherfucker to come in.

517
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 2: But Harvey knew that I had that joke that.

518
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 1: I could tell on the I want to hear the joke.

519
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 2: It kind of doesn't work without us being on the tour,

520
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 2: but so we so we passed by the Hustler store

521
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 2: on the tour, and so it would stop on the

522
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 2: Hustler tour, and this was a different time to tell

523
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:57,199
Speaker 2: this joke. Okay, So so we would stop and I

524
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 2: would have the bus stop right by the hustle and

525
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 2: you know, Larry Flynn is right, Larry Flint started Hustler,

526
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 2: and I'd be like, this guy's husher store. Larry Flint

527
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 2: started Hustler. And I don't know if you guys know this,

528
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 2: but Larry Flint is one of the most important men

529
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,239
Speaker 2: in the history of civil rights. And they're like, what

530
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 2: are you talking about? And I was like, well, you

531
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 2: guys might not know this, but Larry Flynn is in

532
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 2: a wheelchair. He was shot. One of the reasons why

533
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 2: Larry Flint was shot was because there were people that

534
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 2: were upset that he was doing interracial photo spreads in

535
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 2: a hustler. It's very true, and the bust will go, oh,

536
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 2: I didn't know that, and I would go like, yeah,

537
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 2: so Larry Flint, it's very important to a right leader

538
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 2: because he took a bullet so that I could fuck

539
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 2: white women. That's that's good, right, And so I remember Harvey,

540
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 2: Oh my god, and so I go and so they

541
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 2: don't want to laugh. They don't want to laugh. But

542
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 2: I'm in the room and I say that everybody, and

543
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 2: it's so far out of left field, and they've never

544
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 2: heard the sound of my voice before. I remember shout

545
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 2: out to Nina Parker, who worked at TMZ with me,

546
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 2: who's still a dear friend of mine to this day.

547
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 2: Beautiful black woman. Nina was looking at me like, I know,

548
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 2: they didn't just bring one of these niggas into the

549
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 2: newsroom where these goddamn Tiger Woods is. But that joke

550
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 2: put me over in the newsroom, and so and he

551
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 2: knew that they would. And so after that boom they

552
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 2: all left. Another thing I tell the kids, I don't

553
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 2: want to be hyper verbose about the whole TMZ situation,

554
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 2: but another thing I tell the kids is your ability

555
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 2: to succeed at a place is not just about your talent.

556
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 2: It's about your ability to recognize opportunity.

557
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

558
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 2: So the very first year I was there, I realized

559
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 2: that everybody goes home for Christmas, so everybody takes off

560
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: for Christmas. So if you watched the show, it's always

561
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 2: a buzzy newsroom. Everybody is around, everybody's doing all of this,

562
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 2: but it's bare bones in there, like any point after

563
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving to the news year New Year, because everybody's rotating

564
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 2: in and off vacation, but they're still doing the show.

565
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 2: They still have to do a show. They don't go

566
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 2: dark for two weeks like everybody else is a daily show.

567
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 2: I did not go home. I stuck around, And when

568
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 2: I stuck around, I got all of the time to

569
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 2: talk and be on camera that I wanted to. So

570
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 2: in that month, I endeared myself to the audience. Right

571
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 2: after that, he comes in, he goes, we're gonna give

572
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 2: you a raise, We're gonna do all of this next

573
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 2: time contract with UP and I just my stature at

574
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 2: TMZ just went up to the point to where I

575
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 2: think maybe a year two years after that, I was

576
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 2: a producer.

577
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: So let's take let's let's as forward to the the

578
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: iconic moments. Kanye, Kanye West him. I love Kanye, I

579
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: love old Kanye.

580
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 2: Now you like him? Now I can tell yeah.

581
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: You know what, it's so funny. So my favorite rapper

582
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: is jay Z and my little brother's favorite rapper is Kanye.

583
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: But now Eagle acknowledges that jay Z's the ultimate goat.

584
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: So you know, we have a great, great relationship. But uh, Kanye,

585
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,959
Speaker 1: let me try this girl cheese, go for it.

586
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 2: Bless you as straight from Angola State Penitentiary right there.

587
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: Let's see. But Kanye, old Kanye was simply amazing to me.

588
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: I loved how outspoken he was. I don't know what

589
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: happened in the Kardashian era, like what kind of drugs

590
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: they put him on or what went wrong because he

591
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: was always pro from the bush statement like he was

592
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: always that guy. So take us to that day, what's

593
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: going on from beginning to end?

594
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 2: So Harvey had gone to that buttern So Harvey had

595
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 2: gone to you know, the week before then, Kanye had

596
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 2: an album going out, and this is after the Trump stuff,

597
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 2: and he had, you know, gone off at his at

598
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 2: his show and all of that stuff. Harvey had gone

599
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 2: out to Calabasas. He was so giddy called me up

600
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 2: to his office and he goes, look, look it is.

601
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 2: It's me hanging out with Kanye West. So I'm like whatever,

602
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 2: you were like whatever? Yeah, I'm like at this point,

603
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck about that. I hate that

604
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 2: type of ship. I'll tell you what I hate. Don't

605
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:46,959
Speaker 2: talk to me about who you was hanging out with ever. Like,

606
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,239
Speaker 2: if you go to a party, when you come back

607
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 2: and talk to me about the party, talk to me

608
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 2: about how the vibes were, where the drinks good, was

609
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 2: the music good?

610
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: So I was in the room, you want to hear

611
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: about the drinks.

612
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 2: Give a fuck? If jay Z came to your party,

613
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 2: I couldn't give a fuck. What do that? So it's

614
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 2: a good party, friend, that's the only thing.

615
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: You've been here for a.

616
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,479
Speaker 2: Whole So it's a good party because he was there.

617
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 2: Shout out to him like it's a good party because

618
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 2: he was there. I don't give them welcome Thank you,

619
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 2: I don't care at all. Like, hey man, the drinks

620
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 2: was good man, DJ was crazy. He played that old

621
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 2: school juvenile all of that ship. Now I'm gonna come

622
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 2: to the party. If you start mind party, If Jay

623
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 2: show up to your party, it's a I guess it's

624
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 2: a big deal for your party. I'm not saying that.

625
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 2: I'm saying that it doesn't make me want to attend

626
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 2: your party because there are famous people.

627
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,479
Speaker 1: There, of course, but I'm saying that. Okay, So Harvey

628
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: comes to you, He's like, yo, I was kicking it

629
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: with con.

630
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 2: This is this is all I heard is Kanye, Kanye, Kanye.

631
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: And so he shows me the thing and him and

632
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,239
Speaker 2: Kanye have some kind of report that they're working on

633
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 2: or whatever. I don't know. And so a week after

634
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 2: that he like, I'm in the newsroom. And by the way,

635
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: at this point, I've been very outspoken on Kanye, because

636
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 2: this is Kanye posing with Donald Trump, this is post

637
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 2: all of that stuff. So it comes up to me

638
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 2: after the morning meeting. He goes, hey, I was like

639
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 2: what there he goes, we didn't want to tell you,

640
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 2: But in about ten minutes, Kanye was about to show

641
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 2: up here. I was like inside of TMZ and he

642
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 2: was like yeah. He was like all right, just let

643
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 2: you know all the mics are going to be down.

644
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 2: Because the way it works is for TMZ Live, which

645
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 2: is the l show, Showa comes up the middle of

646
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 2: the day. You have a red button at your desk

647
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 2: and a thing at your desk. Anytime you have that

648
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 2: red button, you can talk. So after Harvey and Charles

649
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 2: do their thing, you hit that red button, you can talk.

650
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 2: So when I want to jump in and say something funny,

651
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 2: I jump in and say something funny. When I want

652
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 2: to jump in when it's time for them to come

653
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 2: to me, like Van van Van talk, you can talk.

654
00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 2: But they had all the mics down because they just

655
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 2: wanted to be Harvey, Charles and Kanye West. Okay cool.

656
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 2: So I go sit at my shout out to Charlemagne

657
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 2: because uh. I go sit down at my desk and

658
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 2: I start watching the interview that Charlemagne did with Kanye

659
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 2: that dropped that very same day when he was walking

660
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 2: around Calabasa. So I started watching that. I'm at the desk.

661
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 2: Kanye West comes in, very polite guy. I says hello

662
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 2: to everyone and everything like that. They go over to

663
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 2: the team's he live to start doing teams? He live.

664
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:32,879
Speaker 2: As soon as the cameras come on, he turns into

665
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 2: a fucking demon, right like when I say to you,

666
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 2: when I'm like it just I come alive in the

667
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 2: nighttime type shit. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, he's

668
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 2: talking now. I mean, I'm not saying that.

669
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: He was being say demon like the stuff he was saying.

670
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, the demon I'm not demonizing. Kanye West was like

671
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 2: the stream of consciousness, the whole thing. I'm like, oh shit,

672
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 2: but I'm still not paying any attention. I'm not paying

673
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 2: any attention. I'm looking at the interview. I'm not a

674
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 2: part of this conversation.

675
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: So you're looking at the interview. But watch she kind

676
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: of looking.

677
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 2: Up or Kanya not really. But remember I've been told

678
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 2: specifically that I'm not part of this conversation. So it's

679
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 2: on them. Uh, Kanye says, uh a slavery four hundred. Oh.

680
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 2: By the way, Kennice Owens is with him. She came

681
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 2: to the office with him.

682
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: I don't know how you're not looking, not watching the

683
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: interview and still looking at the shar interview.

684
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 2: I'm looking at the Charlemagne interview. They're walking around Calabasas, like,

685
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 2: you know, they they Kanye got his hair, you know,

686
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 2: they having all of these deep ass sauce. I'm looking

687
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 2: at but I can. I can hear him though, because

688
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 2: he starts to scream. He doesn't just want to talk

689
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 2: to Harvey and Charles, he wants to talk to all right,

690
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 2: So I can I can hear him. It was like, God,

691
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 2: damn this nigga, Damn that nigga on one and so like,

692
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 2: I'm still looking at it, and he says, slavery four

693
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 2: hundred years, four hundred years. That seems like a choice

694
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 2: to me, and everybody's.

695
00:35:55,160 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: Like, oh, audible, how look when he said that, couldn't

696
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:02,919
Speaker 1: see her.

697
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 2: I don't know she. I think she was in the

698
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 2: other room because there's a side room. A couple of

699
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 2: weeks before that, and maybe like a month before that,

700
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 2: Candace had gone viral for shutting down some some students

701
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 2: that had come to a turning point us a meeting

702
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 2: where she had said I hear a victim, and I

703
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 2: don't like you, and fuck civil rights whatever and and

704
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 2: whatever she said to them, and Kanye was like, this

705
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 2: is the type of thinking that I like. And then

706
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 2: he put it Kanye put Candisons on like she like

707
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 2: she she By the way, this is if any want

708
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 2: to make a judgment, call about Candace Owns, go to

709
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 2: wherever you go to for wherever you want to go

710
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 2: to or whatever. But he put her on basically, so

711
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 2: she was with him for a little while. I think

712
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 2: he got a lot of his his his early political

713
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 2: when he was first in that new sort of right

714
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 2: sphere of thought. I think a lot of he got

715
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 2: a lot of that stuff from her. I think he

716
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 2: probably still does it this day, from a lot of

717
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 2: those types of people. Anyhow, So he's talking. He says

718
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 2: that I didn't say anything when he said that. There's

719
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 2: a there's a misconception that he said that. And I

720
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 2: was like, nah, I didn't like. I didn't like like.

721
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 2: I didn't say yeah. People think it was like a

722
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 2: big deal. I didn't say nothing, right, I didn't say

723
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 2: anything at all? His business? He asked, He asked very simply.

724
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 2: He said that everyone gasps. One other person had said once,

725
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 2: one other thing about something that he had said. But

726
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,919
Speaker 2: most of the people in the room this sidebar real quick.

727
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 2: You guys have no idea. I guess you actually probably do.

728
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 2: Because Atlanta has per capital more famous people than anywhere else.

729
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 2: You can't go to the fucking mall without goddamn nigga.

730
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 2: Wasn't you in atl But like, but just fame just

731
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 2: paralyzes people, particularly in LA like fame just like just like,

732
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 2: oh my god, it doesn't matter what he would have

733
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 2: said up there, He's saying stuff, and people are like,

734
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ is the most famous person that's ever been

735
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 2: inside this office before.

736
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 1: But I'm surprised because at they crossed passed it a lot.

737
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 2: No nobody liked that like it. It's like, especially to

738
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 2: be in the office doing that. It's one thing to

739
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 2: have to see people out on the street and get

740
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 2: a but you know, there's a specific TMZ celebrity that

741
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 2: we talk to all the time. You know, nobody like that.

742
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: So take us back to that moment before you Superman.

743
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 2: So he says that, and he turns around and he goes,

744
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 2: he says the whole thing, and he goes, does it

745
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 2: feel like I'm speaking freely? He says that. He turns around,

746
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,439
Speaker 2: he goes, does it feel like I'm speaking freely? Okay,

747
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 2: Now let me tell you a split second just how

748
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 2: my mind works, Like for me, I just have like

749
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 2: my insecurity is that I just can't be the nigga

750
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 2: you could fuck over. I don't have to be the

751
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 2: number one guy. But like, I'll fight you until you

752
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 2: realize you can't fuck over me. I'll play you in

753
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 2: basketball to I realize I can't be the easy guy

754
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 2: to get over on. Okay, So if you ask me

755
00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 2: something like that and I didn't say anything, there's toxicity.

756
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 2: The immediate says, I gotta answer this question, like I

757
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:07,919
Speaker 2: can't have allowed him that somebody might think that. It's

758
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 2: like everybody was, like you are filled up with the answers,

759
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 2: is not. I didn't want to feel like a weakling. Yes,

760
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 2: I didn't want to miss my opportunity to tell him

761
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 2: how I feel like he was acting, because then it

762
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 2: feels like I'm the one that he could just kind

763
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 2: of get off on. So he says that and not

764
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 2: gonna know y'all, I don't feel like you're thinking anything,

765
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 2: Like actually you don't know you I remember I said,

766
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna go back to the whole thing. But

767
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 2: you look crazy right now, like everything that you're doing,

768
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 2: not just now but every other time, like you look crazy.

769
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 2: You're not thinking and particularly this. It's not even about that.

770
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 2: It's about what the regression or how can I put this?

771
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 2: Not regression, it's what a guy like that represents because

772
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 2: we empower him, like spinning your youth, like arming somebody

773
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 2: with this great, big cultural gun. Everything that Kanye did

774
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 2: were I was down in Louisiana where he said George

775
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 2: Bush doesn't care about black people. He was my god.

776
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 2: Like all the things that he would say when he

777
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 2: would speak out, like you defend them, you advocate for him,

778
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 2: you do it, You stand by and you just the

779
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 2: little cultural gun that he has, a little megaphone, it

780
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 2: just gets bigger and bigger. The gun just gets bigger

781
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,720
Speaker 2: and bigger and bigger, and then one day you're staring

782
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 2: down the barrel of it. Now the things that he's

783
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 2: saying that you've empowered him to say are being turned

784
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 2: right back at you, and so like it's like, hey,

785
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 2: don't shoot me, Like why why are you shoot at me?

786
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 2: Like you know what I'm saying. It's like I'm the

787
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 2: same dude like you you Kanye West. I love you. Yeah,

788
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 2: Like if I'm not about to diss him, never would

789
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 2: I say to you know, you're a genius. Everything that

790
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 2: you've done. Is you deserve all the stuff that you've gotten.

791
00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 2: We love you, but let me tell you how you

792
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 2: make us feel. That's it. That's it. I'm not trying

793
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 2: to go toe to toad with like a cultural deity,

794
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. I'm not trying to act

795
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 2: like he hasn't inspired me in the ways that he's

796
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 2: inspired me, or act like he hasn't done the things

797
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 2: he's done. Like, we don't do that where I'm from.

798
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 2: We give you your props or else we would be haters.

799
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 2: But I just have to let him know, like what

800
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 2: you're doing right now is particularly pernicious to us because

801
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 2: we're in a very specific place in this country. And

802
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 2: when you go back and you watch it, you listen, Now, look,

803
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 2: my thing is this any one person like that. There's

804
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 2: no person that's going to be able to be a

805
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 2: nigger whisperer and change what somebody thinks. Like there's a

806
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 2: day to day experience that people have that has to

807
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 2: do with their surroundings, who they are, their input and

808
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 2: output that's going to affect how they look at the world.

809
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 2: And you're not asking anybody to be to change that.

810
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 2: But what I do think is important as black people

811
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 2: is for us to be cognizant of how what we

812
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,720
Speaker 2: do affects other people. For example, I worked at TMZ

813
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 2: for nine years. I'm not in a moral position to

814
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 2: chastise anyone, like literally, like not in a figurative way.

815
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 2: I'm not in a moral position to chastise anyone. I

816
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 2: understand compromises that people have to make in order to

817
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 2: get to where they want to get. I understand that

818
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 2: sometimes people might walk into situations and not really know

819
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 2: what it is that they're getting into. And then on

820
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 2: the other side, you know better than you do better, right,

821
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:33,280
Speaker 2: So it's not about that. It's about just alerting someone

822
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 2: when you feel like they're doing harm and then that's that.

823
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 2: And then after that, after I've said my piece, you

824
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 2: can choose either you can continue to harm me or

825
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 2: you can be different.

826
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: So how did that milestone with Kanye change the trajectory

827
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: of your life? Because it definitely had a huge impact.

828
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 2: So it was really the beginning of my career. And

829
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 2: the reason why it was was because number one, I

830
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 2: was never going to be able to leave TMZ with

831
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 2: the reputation that they have there. And this is not

832
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 2: shots at TMZ or anything like that. Once you leave

833
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 2: a place that has such a distinct perch and culture,

834
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 2: it's very difficult for people to believe certain things about you.

835
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 2: And I think going old.

836
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: What do you mean, like, what kind of culture, like.

837
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 2: Are you familiar with?

838
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: I am familiar with them. I'm just saying, describe it. Ah,

839
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: I'm saying from the journalists perspective, You're saying like.

840
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. So, look, there's a reason why

841
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 2: like a TMS exists. And honestly, the reason why TMS

842
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 2: exists is the need for people to feel good about themselves.

843
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: The reader or the watcher to feel good about themselves.

844
00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 2: I'll tell you why. So the celebrity in America is overloved,

845
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 2: way overloved, over important, over everything. It just doesn't matter

846
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 2: that much that somebody is famous or rich. It just

847
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 2: really doesn't matter that much. Honestly, it's probably a net negative. However,

848
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 2: it's so it's so precious to people that there's a

849
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 2: need to feel that that person has done or is

850
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,919
Speaker 2: doing something wrong, like.

851
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,280
Speaker 1: To more humanize them.

852
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 2: Right, So, like the question becomes this, say, take take

853
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 2: Kim Kardashian, right, everybody saw her fuck right. Everybody saw her. Fuck,

854
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 2: it's just sex tape out. Everybody saw her right, everybody

855
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 2: watched the sex tape that comes out. And people get

856
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,919
Speaker 2: to make the decision about whether or not they would

857
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,919
Speaker 2: have that happen for them, whether or not they would

858
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 2: go through that in order to be Kim Kardashian, And

859
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 2: it makes them feel good to say no. So it

860
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 2: makes them feel good to say, you know what, I

861
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 2: wouldn't want that life. It's too crazy. It makes them

862
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 2: good to feel to say. It makes him feel good

863
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 2: to say, I wouldn't compromise myself in that way. It

864
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 2: makes him feel good to say, I would never do this.

865
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 2: I would never be around these people. I would never

866
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 2: do that. I would never do this. It makes him

867
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 2: feel good to say, Hollywood's too weird, I wouldn't do that. Right,

868
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 2: And TMZ feels that bloodlust that people have, and it

869
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 2: lets them disconnect from the idea that these people are

870
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 2: better than them. It lets them disconnect because every time

871
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 2: somebody gets a dui and it goes up to the thing.

872
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 2: Every time somebody gets a divorce, everybody in here knows

873
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 2: people have been divorced. Yeah, there's no magic or sinister

874
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 2: story to a divorce. Sometimes it don't work out. It

875
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 2: just doesn't work out. But you want to believe certain

876
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:57,439
Speaker 2: people will never be happy because their lifestyles are antithetical

877
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 2: to happiness in a relationship. So want to believe antithetical

878
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 2: like you like you, you you, you want to believe that, right,

879
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 2: you want to believe that teams gives you that. In

880
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 2: order to do that, TMZ has to treat those people

881
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 2: like they're not people. They have to treat them as

882
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 2: if their concepts celebrity is not a person.

883
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: That's why I guess TMS comes off a little bit

884
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: invasive and ruthless.

885
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 2: Right, Well, no, because they're.

886
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: They're not treating they're they're treating them kind of like.

887
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 2: Well, you have to write like even even the TMS

888
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 2: tour was a celebrity safari, Like what's on a safari?

889
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, animals yea, animals right.

890
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 2: And so and so like when when you like the

891
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 2: tours celebrity so far as animals, right? And so you

892
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 2: do that, right and what you what you say is okay, Well,

893
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 2: in order to be a celebrity, the game is pr

894
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 2: at its base, right, So this is what you sign

895
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 2: up for kind of right, because like there are certain

896
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 2: things that you don't sign up for. I'll never talk

897
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 2: I'll never I'll never forget this. There was the sister

898
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: of a celebrity that had that had had something taught

899
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 2: done to them. I'll never forget. I'm not gonna talk

900
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 2: about who I had the conversation with. I'm like, Yo,

901
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 2: we shouldn't do that. And they did the story and

902
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,959
Speaker 2: this dude went on fucking and let us fucking happen.

903
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 2: And I was like, Yo, we had to take it

904
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 2: down and apologize and do all that stuff. Like yo,

905
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 2: like there's a limit to this. And that's not me

906
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:24,919
Speaker 2: making a moral judgment on the team.

907
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: Team.

908
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 2: I'm just telling you the way things go. So like

909
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 2: when you know all of that, when you have an

910
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 2: idea of what drives that, like obviously they're they're moral. Uh,

911
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 2: there're things that you have to not care about to

912
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 2: work there. But most of the people there are good people.

913
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 2: They're just desensitized to whatever was going on there because

914
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 2: that's where they work, like like that, like that's what

915
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 2: they do. I'm there, it's the same thing. Things are

916
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 2: coming in. At a certain point, you go goddamn, you know,

917
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 2: and it's there will be a little This is a

918
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 2: football player that had this video come out of some altercation.

919
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 2: It was in and it said savage beating by this,

920
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 2: and I was just looking at the headline, I'm like,

921
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 2: that's I don't think we should go savage beating there.

922
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 2: Like I think savage is like a that's like an

923
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 2: interesting way where there's just little small things. The mayor

924
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 2: of DC died, Marion Barry crack maryor Marion Barry dies

925
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 2: like he died, and like, by the way, the people

926
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 2: in DC are going to freak the funk out because

927
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Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys know, but Marion Barry

928
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 2: was with Martin Luther King Junior. Like where I'm from,

929
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 2: Like I deal with a group of people, the community,

930
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 2: people that are always categorized by the worst moment that

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Speaker 2: they have. And I don't feel comfortable with categorizing a

932
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Speaker 2: man that means so much to his city by the worst,

933
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:54,760
Speaker 2: most scandalous thing he ever had. You can't talk about

934
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Speaker 2: his life without talking about that, but maybe in the

935
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Speaker 2: headline you don't do that.

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Speaker 3: So so.

937
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 2: All of those things start to start to happen. And

938
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Speaker 2: so for me, what the place represents, it's not even

939
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Speaker 2: so much a bunch of uh, not even so much,

940
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 2: a bunch of moral people that are running around trying

941
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 2: to get the dirt on celebrities. It represents our relationship

942
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:22,919
Speaker 2: to celebrity and our relationship to ourselves, because there's no

943
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 2: fucking reason whatsoever why we should spend so much time

944
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Speaker 2: talking about what happens.

945
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Speaker 3: In the lives of famous people.

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