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Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with her radio. Welcome to another episode of the Almost

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Speaker 1: Famous Podcast. We're back with another week to break down

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Speaker 1: this beautiful season of the Bachelort with my wonderful co host,

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Speaker 1: Ashley I Connettie. You're so sweet, Ben. Hey, you were

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Speaker 1: in my uh stomping grounds the other this weekend and

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Speaker 1: I didn't know. But then again, I made a last trip, minute,

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Speaker 1: last minute trip home, So if I had known, if

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Speaker 1: you had known, we would have seen each other the

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Speaker 1: first time in a long time. But how long were

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Speaker 1: you in d C for? And what did you guys do?

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Speaker 1: That's been awesome. I love to see you. So this

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Speaker 1: weekend was my wonderful fiance Jessica Clark soon to be

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Speaker 1: Jessica Higgins. It was her birthday and her best friends

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Speaker 1: best friend and her husband flew into d C. So

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Speaker 1: we spent a weekend together as couples hanging out. Uh

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Speaker 1: we here the quick rundown is. We biked all across

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Speaker 1: washingt d C. We went to the Arlington Cemetery, which

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Speaker 1: was absolutely incredible for many reasons. Then we went to

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Speaker 1: a Washington Nationals baseball game. We bought tickets. Well, I

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Speaker 1: had Jessica's friends biased tickets. Guess where we sat, like

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Speaker 1: behind home plate? No, no, no, she bought tickets. She

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Speaker 1: was like, it's a baseball game. We're just saying I

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Speaker 1: have a good time. She bought the highest tickets in

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Speaker 1: the stadium. We literally sat on the fence, like on

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Speaker 1: the top row, like we were up against it, which

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Speaker 1: was awesome. Um, well, I hope you had a big

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Speaker 1: Ben's Chili Bowl hot dog while you were there. We didn't.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't convince anybody that's the whole reason of going

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Speaker 1: to that stadium. Is it close? No, it's in there's

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Speaker 1: one in the stadium. Oh well, I read. I'm really

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Speaker 1: big into going places where like presidents of the past

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Speaker 1: have gone. Um. We went to an oyster house right

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Speaker 1: by the White House that like a ton of presidents

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Speaker 1: have because I saw that Ben's Chili Bowl there is

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Speaker 1: a place that like most presidents go to at some time. Um,

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Speaker 1: but it was awesome. We had a we had a

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Speaker 1: really cool experience and you know, here's the takeaway to

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Speaker 1: nice to be out again. Um, and Jessica said something

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Speaker 1: was your highlight? And uh, she said, my highlight from

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Speaker 1: this trip was not only the experience, which is it

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Speaker 1: was a blessing that all three of like her two

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Speaker 1: of the husbands get along so well because I really do,

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Speaker 1: I really like these guys, like I enjoy hanging out

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Speaker 1: with them. I'm excited to see him. She said that

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Speaker 1: was just like the best birthday gifts she could get.

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Speaker 1: It was like to see all of her see her

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Speaker 1: get along with him and has having fun together, which

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Speaker 1: I thought was super sweet. So sweet. Nice. So what

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Speaker 1: about you? What was your weekend? Like? Um, not much?

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Speaker 1: You know, yesterday was Father's Day. My dad said it

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Speaker 1: was one of his favorite Fallow's Day that he remembers,

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Speaker 1: which is really sweet. But I don't really know. I

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Speaker 1: don't really know why. My sister and I went to

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Speaker 1: the Expo Center with him, and then we went to

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Speaker 1: some lawn work. He says, it's the best Father's Day

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Speaker 1: day to have my two wonderful daughters. Morton's a nap,

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Speaker 1: Day is always interesting and this is always good moment

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Speaker 1: that Ashley and I wanted to bring up. Father's Day.

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Speaker 1: Such an incredible day for so many reasons, but it's

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Speaker 1: also such a tough day for so many reasons. Um

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Speaker 1: that you know, even going back to like the Bachelorette

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Speaker 1: We played in a father's son golf tournament together. Um,

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Speaker 1: or have been father figures to us. So you know,

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Speaker 1: that's a special day. I enjoy those days where we

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Speaker 1: can recognize the people closest to us. I agree, um,

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Speaker 1: Follower's Day is always overshadowed by Mother's Day. You know,

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Speaker 1: come on, they're both as important they are they are. Well, yeah, actually,

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Speaker 1: we have a big episode ahead of us today. Tell

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Speaker 1: everybody about it. Well we haven't. Jen Scheft one of

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Speaker 1: the first bachelorettes. I believe she's the third bachelorette on

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Speaker 1: the podcast today. We're going to actually be catching up

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Speaker 1: with past bachelorettes every week. That's are one of our

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Speaker 1: new themes. So over the next couple of weeks, expect

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Speaker 1: to see some, um, some bachelorettes that you either see

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Speaker 1: into suburban mom life like Jen has. She even has

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Speaker 1: a podcast about it called From the Bachelor to the Bourbs. Uh.

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Speaker 1: So we'll be talking to her about that and about

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Speaker 1: the difference between it being being the bachelortte back then

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Speaker 1: recapping the episode with her as well. Should we ask

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Speaker 1: her if she's on the text thread? Oh yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: sure she is, Okay, jin Chef on the text that

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk to her. That's a big deal, all right. Well,

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Speaker 1: we have Jen Waterman, formerly known as Jen Chef. Is

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Speaker 1: it Chef? I literally keep messing up your name. No,

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Speaker 1: you've got it, You've got it shuffed. Okay, I'm en

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Speaker 1: Cheffed Waterman now usually En Waterman. But but you had

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Speaker 1: to hold onto your last name too in the middle, Huh,

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Speaker 1: I did? I mean just because I was I just

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Speaker 1: sort of wanted to keep the chef. That's who I am.

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Speaker 1: my last name, and so now it's actually my middle name.

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Speaker 1: That's how I feel about mine. I was always the

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Speaker 1: I know it's hard my last You know, I'm a

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Speaker 1: Jen or Jennifer, which there are a million of those

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Speaker 1: give that up. Alright, well, you became the third Bachelorette

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Speaker 1: after your relationship with Andrew Firestone ended. Yes, How do

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Speaker 1: I think it's just as much as the show is different,

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Speaker 1: there for the right reason? Do they know you? Do

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Speaker 1: very cool. But now you guys travel I'm now with COVID.

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Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know. We're all about that

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Speaker 1: We leave off from last week's rose ceremony when Carl

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Speaker 1: glad she let him go because usually the villains do

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00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,880
Speaker 1: stick around for a while and it's like we don't

426
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 1: want to you know, after a while, you just don't

427
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 1: want to see it anymore. So good for her, just

428
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,160
Speaker 1: like you know what, I'm done. I don't care drama,

429
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,400
Speaker 1: and I don't think there's any redemption for Carl here,

430
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 1: Like I don't think this is a good move. I

431
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 1: don't think it was like in her best interests. I

432
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 1: think we see that. But later in the episode, as

433
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 1: we'll talk about, Thomas kind of comes out with not

434
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 1: being there for the right reason. So is that who

435
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 1: he was referring to. We don't get any clarity on that,

436
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 1: But that's ironic band. I think it might. I didn't

437
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 1: put two and two together, But Carl makes the ultimate

438
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 1: move that is I don't care if it's a bachelor

439
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 1: or bachelorette. Um, that just is not okay, and it

440
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 1: is the he did. He did worse than I remember.

441
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 1: He stood in front of Katie, he turned his back

442
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,120
Speaker 1: to Katie, he stared down the guys. Oh my god,

443
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 1: I saw that, and then he walked out. Didn't he

444
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:38,199
Speaker 1: even say, Katie, I'm sorry? That was so crazy? Like

445
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 1: did I I rewound that. I was like, did that really?

446
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 1: Did he really just do that? It was I think

447
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,880
Speaker 1: ridiculous at all levels? Right jin Yes, Oh my god,

448
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 1: And I was like, that's proves why you shouldn't have

449
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 1: chosen him. I mean, if that was how he was

450
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:54,400
Speaker 1: going to react, and I mean obviously not the right guy,

451
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,679
Speaker 1: and he totally did not. He could have maybe redeemed himself,

452
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 1: but obviously he chose to just continue to I mean,

453
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 1: we've seen it in the past where guys, you know,

454
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: say something the bachelor at her Bachelor's guys or girls

455
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: and they send them home and they say, hey, you

456
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 1: know what you said or what you did isn't real okay,

457
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 1: And we've seen it done really well and I can't

458
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 1: remember off the top of my head, but it just

459
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 1: happened recently where they go up to the Bachelor Bachelor

460
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: and they say, hey, I know, maybe I was misinterpreted

461
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 1: or hey, I know what I meant and I didn't

462
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: mean when I say, and I'm sorry that you took

463
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 1: it the way you did. And it's unfortunate to go home,

464
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: like even if you have to get your last word

465
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 1: out of kind of like that, but it's kind of

466
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 1: respect just right. He was like screwing you so bad.

467
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, at least I hope she got some sort

468
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 1: of like like she was like, all right, confirmation I

469
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 1: made the right move. Yeah, okay, absolutely. So then we

470
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 1: get the first group date card and it has Aaron Courtney,

471
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 1: Aames Connor, By, David Justin, Thomas Hunter, Brendan, all of

472
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: them are going on the date and it's like a

473
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 1: therapy session. It looks like it looks like group therapy.

474
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: It looks like a a it's like from what I

475
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 1: see on you know the TV shows. Yes, and Nick

476
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 1: fill is leading the group conversation where he says basically

477
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 1: like everybody is going to talk about their red flags.

478
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: They're going to talk about things that they've done their

479
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 1: past that they're not proud of. And it starts like

480
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: a really vulnerable, like heavy emotional conversation. First we have Hunter.

481
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 1: He talks about how he was previously married and he

482
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: had two kids with his wife and then something happened

483
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 1: where he just had his priorities all shuffled up and

484
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: it ended. I felt like, I really, I really felt

485
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: like I started to learn more about Hunter in this episode.

486
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: I like him. What do you guys think? I liked him.

487
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: I thought I really liked him. I thought he seemed

488
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: he's a little older thirty four. I wasn't. I was

489
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 1: trying to pay attention to all the guys ages, but

490
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: you know, he seems like he's mature, and I liked

491
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,439
Speaker 1: what he had to say. And um, I liked that

492
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 1: little group. I mean, so much came out of it.

493
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: But I thought that was a kind of a really

494
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: great idea for the show to do because it's usually

495
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 1: so fluffy and nobody talks about anything important, or at least,

496
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 1: um you know, they don't air it. So it was

497
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: nice too to see that and then really learn about

498
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: some of these guys. That's why I'm liking this season.

499
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,439
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a lot of scenes like this,

500
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 1: and they're really early on, and some of these dates have.

501
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 1: They They have themes where a lot can come up

502
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: and it's not just like last week's mud wrestling date,

503
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: like we're getting to know these guys really fast. I

504
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 1: feel like the franchise was maybe even like listening to

505
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 1: some fan feedback, because the past season, we just felt

506
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 1: like we didn't get to know people very well, and

507
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 1: I think we're really getting to know these guys quickly.

508
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: It was I thought it was an incredible date, and

509
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 1: Nick said it at the beginning, and I think it

510
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. Um, you know, you're you're

511
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 1: on this show to fall in love with somebody, but

512
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 1: yet you don't know all about these people, and you

513
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 1: still won't write relationships are about continuing get to another person,

514
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: but most of the time you're not even given the

515
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:31,479
Speaker 1: space in this franchise to learn about and to have

516
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: this moment. I actually viewed this as a really beautiful day.

517
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 1: I'll be excited to hear kind of the fan reaction

518
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: to it. Um. I actually kind of feel that it

519
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: should be a date that stays every season, that this

520
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: moment of vulnerability, in this moment for people to open

521
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 1: up and have a safe place to do it where

522
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 1: it maybe doesn't have to always be in a group environment,

523
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 1: but it could be kind of always a focus point.

524
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: Was something that I really enjoyed because now I am

525
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:05,959
Speaker 1: more than past seasons, incredibly emotionally connected to these contestants

526
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,959
Speaker 1: and to Katie because I know their backstories and I

527
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: and I want to see them succeed even past the show,

528
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: which I don't always feel because I just don't always

529
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: feel like I know the people will right. Well. Yeah,

530
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,400
Speaker 1: usually they typically don't let you or the viewer get

531
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 1: to know each other, like get to know people's stories

532
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: except for what they want to tell you, what the

533
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: what the producers want to tell you. So I thought

534
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: it was really, like you said at the beginning of

535
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: you know, the beginning of the season, just to get

536
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: into some real conversations. I thought was really definitely heavy.

537
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, I'm already crying. You know,

538
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: it's stories are a lot, and you know, Katie obviously

539
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: shared so much. Um, I loved it. Yeah, So we

540
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: have Katie, she talks about this one time over ten

541
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: years ago that she didn't give consent. Then we have

542
00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: Connor b who talks about his problems with drinking and

543
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: maybe a little drug use and um cheating on his girlfriend.

544
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: We had more of the other standout stories. I mean,

545
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: we had a lot of guys kind of expressing their

546
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: difficult like their priorities being misaligned in relationships and what

547
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: that's taught them. And you know, I think if you're

548
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: for me, as I'm thirty two years old, I can

549
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: look at their stories and relate with priorities being misaligned,

550
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,719
Speaker 1: and you don't look at it from a place of judgment,

551
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: but you look at a place of like, how cool

552
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: is it now that you're sitting in this place to

553
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: be able to now share that and know what you're

554
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: looking for, to know that you're ready for this again.

555
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: I think those relationship lessons are huge, especially as you

556
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: enter into an experience where you might be in an engagement.

557
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: So those were powerful. Yeah. So the one that raised

558
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: a red flag in the traditional sense perhaps was Thomas's

559
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: story because he didn't really so much have a story

560
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: as he was just kind of like using the time

561
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: to confirm to Katie how he feels about her right now.

562
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: But he did slip in that when he started out,

563
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: when he left for the Bachelorette not knowing Katie, he was,

564
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: you know, saying that it could be a great opportunity

565
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: to get a platform, and that of course raised some

566
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: eyebrows amongst the crowd. I gonna be honest, didn't have

567
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: the hugest issue with this, just because it was so on.

568
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: It was so honest. I didn't like his demeanor necessarily,

569
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: he was smiley. He definitely didn't have the same tone

570
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: as a lot of the other guys, so I could

571
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: see them being like m about that, But as far

572
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: as like what he said and being there for the

573
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: wrong reasons, I just found it to be honest, and

574
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: I think it would be really I think it's really

575
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: hard to say that it hasn't crossed the minds of

576
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: every other guy sitting in there. That's a very single guy,

577
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: I know. So that's what kind of I mean For

578
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: me personally. When I went on the show, it was like, Yeah,

579
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: I think this will be a fun adventure, would be

580
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: ultimate if it worked out, but it probably won't. Exactly like,

581
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: how many people are actually chosen at the end, So

582
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: don't tell me that they haven't thought of it. And

583
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: all of them have thought about it. It was only

584
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: gonna be one at the end, so I'm like, that

585
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: doesn't bother me. I just think he was just he

586
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: just wouldn't you know. He kind of talked in circles.

587
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: He didn't really ever answer any of her questions. Was

588
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: would that bother me more than him admitting that maybe

589
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: he thought of it, thought about it, because of course

590
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: he could be like I thought about it, but now

591
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: I'm actually really into you, which is what I said.

592
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: And I liked it because he was saying what I

593
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: say all the time, like a broken record on here.

594
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't really have the biggest problem if

595
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: you show up for the wrong reasons, but as long

596
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: as when you're in the bubble everything, then in that

597
00:31:55,840 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: case you're fine, right because I feel to react in

598
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: that Yeah, Ben, I would agree. I mean, I think

599
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: we've talked about it so many times. Actually, where if

600
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: you go on the show and nothing slips into your

601
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: head about what this is gonna do to enhance or

602
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: change your life, Yeah, you know, it's it's a little

603
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: bit naive because only one person has chosen. Now when

604
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: you're there, you're there to see if maybe you are

605
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: going to be right for this person and see if

606
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: it works out. If not, go I just think and

607
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: then sometimes you get this. I mean I don't know

608
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: Tom as well yet, but like, I just think he

609
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: was really bad at explaining himself. Like I think he

610
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: did a terrible job. When all the guys were confronting him,

611
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: he still did a terrible job of saying like, Hey,

612
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: this is where I'm at, this is where I was at.

613
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: Are none of you did none of you think this?

614
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: And this is where I want to go? Uh? It

615
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: just I think it. Also though it's the theme of

616
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: the season so far is that people are they're not

617
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: for the right reasons, and so it's gonna be harped on.

618
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: It's gonna be different than past seasons where this is

619
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: said and everybody kind of like glosses over it because

620
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: there's other drama going on right now. We want to

621
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: we can say that there's been a lot of drama,

622
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: but quite frankly, compared to like past seasons, it feels

623
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: like the love stories are increasing more than what we've seen.

624
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: So they they're pulling out this storyline and we're seeing it,

625
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: and he's going to be the one that kind of

626
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: gets pushed aside for right or wrong, we don't know yet.

627
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: I'm sure it gets worse at some level. Yeah, Okay,

628
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: So let's like kind of go into the nighttime portion

629
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: where this continues to be the theme, especially with Aaron,

630
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: who is really coming to have an issue with with Thomas,

631
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: who had an issue last week with the guy that

632
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: he knew back home in San Diego and then got

633
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: him eliminated. So part of me is starting to think, like,

634
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: is Aaron just the guy that's always trying to find

635
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: somebody there for the wrong reasons. I'm not saying that

636
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: I trust Thomas one. Like I said last week, he's

637
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: like a smooth talker, you know, he's he's he's just

638
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: a smooth guy. You know, like you can just see

639
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: the way that he looks at her. I'm not saying

640
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: that trust him, but I also don't have as much

641
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:21,439
Speaker 1: of an issue with him as these guys are kind

642
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,240
Speaker 1: of making it out to be. It's like, the worst

643
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: thing he's done so far is admit that he wants

644
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: a platform, and then during the during the cocktail party,

645
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: he interrupts someone. It's like, welcome to the Bachelor, he interrupted.

646
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: That never happened. I know. So I feel like this

647
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: poor guy is maybe be going to become the villain

648
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: of the season just because there truly wasn't any other

649
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: villains in the house, right, right? Oh my god, that's

650
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: so true. Yeah, And I just but I think when

651
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: she was also asking him about like what are these

652
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: red flags you're talking about? Like, I don't hate him,

653
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: but I just felt like, I just really, I just

654
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: really want you to know how much I'm into and

655
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, can you just like maybe answer the question. Yeah,

656
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: I got frustrated there. But I don't think he's a

657
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: bad guy. But he's also not a very good upfront. Yes,

658
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: he's kind of a has an issue with communicating because

659
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: even when the guys were trying to tell him, like

660
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: you might want to like slow this down or there's

661
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: an issue, he's like not getting it or not being

662
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: able to articulate what he's thinking. Yeah, because I think

663
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: he's so stuck in smooth talk mode that he doesn't

664
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: know how to talk real. Right, that's probably true. Can

665
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: I just answered her question? Can I bring up a

666
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 1: pet peeve that I need you guys to settle me on? Um?

667
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: I don't love it when other people speak for other people,

668
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: especially when that other persons in the room with them.

669
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: So he kept saying these feelings that I'm feeling and

670
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: you're feeling too or these feelings like our connection and

671
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: what you felt when I felt like maybe at some

672
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: point you should ask her to get the confirmation of

673
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: like are you feeling similar to him? Or right now

674
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 1: are you frustrated with me because you feel like I'm

675
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: not communicating clearly to you? But I felt that I

676
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: just sometimes the show brings up my pet piece. I

677
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: think that's one of them. Cause I was watching, I

678
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: was like, stop telling your how she's feeling about you.

679
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,919
Speaker 1: I don't like that, right, and just let her get

680
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,439
Speaker 1: to know you. I think he and he's just trying

681
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: like you love me, you like me too, you like

682
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: me to write versus like, hey, maybe let's just you know,

683
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: don't be so aggressive. Yeah, he's very aggressive, But I

684
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: wasn't getting like super fired up over this whole controversy.

685
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I get it, like he's he's

686
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: at least being honest, and if you don't want that

687
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,439
Speaker 1: to be said, then like send him home. If not,

688
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: this isn't like the worst thing that he could be

689
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: doing is thinking Katie just became the Bachelor at she

690
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: obviously I mean everybody you know, I just I don't

691
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 1: think that's like the worst thing that could ever be

692
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: said by someone, it's the truth. Yeah. Sorry, guys, this

693
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: is random, but I'm just thinking about villains right now

694
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: and who's going to become the villain. Earlier, when we

695
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: were still like trying to figure out how this theseon

696
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: what id fold based on the teasers, I thought Blake

697
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: was going to come in in the first week or

698
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: two he was. His appearance wasn't going to be some

699
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: sort of I'm showing up in the middle of this

700
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: and going to ruffle any feathers type thing. But now

701
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: we see that he comes in next week week four.

702
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: That's pretty far teaching. Same as Nick File he came

703
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,919
Speaker 1: in week four and people were mad about that. Yeah,

704
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 1: so we'll see if the tables turn and they get

705
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: they get the attention of Thomas next week. Yeah. I

706
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: don't like when they bring new people in either, so

707
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: because like as a bachelor or a bachelorette, you're like

708
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: trying to get to know all these people and then

709
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 1: all of a sudden someone new comes in and then

710
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: I feel like you have left. I would feel like,

711
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: oh my god, how am I supposed to get to

712
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: know this person? I started though with twenty five guys,

713
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: and it went down to fifteen. So all of these

714
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: like thirty and then twenty something like, that's just so

715
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: many people that would have been so overwhelming. It was

716
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: already overwhelming. You went from fifteen one night, yeah, first night,

717
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: and then they didn't ever bring anybody in, so it

718
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: was you know, those were the guys, no extra drama

719
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: by bringing anyone else in. So I wonder if back

720
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: then you're able to form closer relationships faster. I think

721
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: probably just because there just weren't as many people and

722
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: you had more time with each person. Mm hmm, that's

723
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: what I think. Okay, well let's get back, let's get

724
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: into something super sweet. Well, change pace a little bit.

725
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: Michael gets his one on one day. This man is

726
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: such a precious gem. He kind of reminds me of Evan,

727
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: but like not in a sassy, like weird Evan way,

728
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 1: because like Evan's fine with me calling him weird. Evan

729
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: embraces that, but Michael has like that sort of like

730
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: sensitivity dad vibe. Um, he's just oh he shares that

731
00:38:53,040 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: story about uh they were together for sixteen years. She

732
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: she passed away January two nine three. Oh me, God,

733
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: like I was crying again. Actually, so from he's from

734
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: around where I live currently lives, so and I heard

735
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: his story and lots of people are like, oh my god,

736
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 1: you got to get to know him, so um just

737
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: you know, right out of the gate, I was like,

738
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 1: I want to hear his story. And then I mean,

739
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: you know, I know friends who know his wife, and

740
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,760
Speaker 1: um so I'm just like, oh my god, I'm rooting

741
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: for this guy. And not only does he have a story,

742
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: but he's also just like a little like you just

743
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: want to hug in. I know, he was like the cutest,

744
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: sweetest little thing, little thing. He doesn't want to hear that, like,

745
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: but big thing, cutest, big thing, cutest, Like God, yes, yeah,

746
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: So his story is just heartbreaking and I love him

747
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: beyond anything else that happens for him on this franchise.

748
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: It is incredible and like something that like just brings

749
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: joy to watch and to see his courage of just

750
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: putting himself back out there again, right, you know, talk

751
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: about a guy that's definitely there for the right reason.

752
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: I would be shocked if this had ever crossed his

753
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 1: mind of anything different. But just for him to say,

754
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: I the love of my life has passed away I have.

755
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: I am a dad, and I'm going to try to

756
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: get back out there and date again and pursue again

757
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: because I get to fall in love twice. I mean

758
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 1: something just absolutely like there's just a really special moment

759
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,959
Speaker 1: for me to learn from him on his courage to

760
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: continue to move forward, get out there again. The way

761
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: that he said that he had never said I love

762
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: you to any other woman. So I really hope that

763
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: he doesn't feel pressure into saying it, like if he

764
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: gets really far before he really feels like it's right.

765
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: I don't want him to be get like sucked up

766
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: in him to get hurt. Now, yeah, she doesn't choose him.

767
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: Now I feel bad for her too, because you're like,

768
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: oh my god, she lets him go, everyone's gonna be

769
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: mad at her. But yeah, so you just want good

770
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: thanks for him. That's all I want. I just want

771
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: good things for him. Yes. Also, he said there was

772
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: something that stood out to me that she said, Um,

773
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 1: it's like, I'm the person who's going to be with him,

774
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: is always going to have to respect the fact that like,

775
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: like that's his life, to his past, just like that

776
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: that she's always going to be like a love of his.

777
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: It's like not like it ever is over right, and

778
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: that's probably pretty heavy for whoever he ends up with two.

779
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: But he's so great, you know. I think like he said,

780
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: he's like he doesn't want to spend he wants to

781
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: make sure that whoever he is with just his love,

782
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 1: just his first wife. So I mean, clearly he's got

783
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: lots of love to give and he deserves it all.

784
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: I've seen it done really well at a football coach

785
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: who's probably in his late thirties when his wife passed

786
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: away from breast cancer and he remarried about four years later,

787
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: and they were like the staples of the town, like

788
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: everybody knew them. It was it was very tragic for

789
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: so many and um, I remember advice that at one

790
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: point there that talking at like an event I was at,

791
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: or I just was meeting with him personally. But uh,

792
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: you know, when you marry somebody, when you entered a

793
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: relationship somebody, one of the most beautiful things is to

794
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: understand their past and to own that past with them

795
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: like that that you know you are part of their past,

796
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: like you take in and you learn from the stories

797
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,760
Speaker 1: they've told. And now this guy and his now wife

798
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 1: run a foundation in the name of his past wife,

799
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: and they do events around the community and her name

800
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 1: and it's it's a really beautiful thing to see it

801
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: not I can't. I imagine it can't be easy. But

802
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: once you start to own that with your the love

803
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: of your life, now I imagine it's a really beautiful

804
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: moment um. So I'm, oh, yeah, I guess we could

805
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: all we could see her all day and talk about

806
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: how great he is. But turns to transition just a

807
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: bit if you watch the very end of the episode,

808
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: because I was worried he was going to be super

809
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: help back and like maybe not really know how to date.

810
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: Like I was kind of worried about that for him,

811
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 1: Like how is this guy gonna be able to like

812
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: flirt again like this? Even he does he does, because

813
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: the last scene of the episode is the two of

814
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: them watching the Stars together and that dude's got game,

815
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: like he he's good. They're flirting, he's joking with her.

816
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,919
Speaker 1: She feels so confident that she's like that's a star

817
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: because you're painting my ass, Like that's that's big, Like

818
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: that's a big deal, Like Jess, can I at this

819
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: point that's how we talked to each other and it's

820
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: like this flirty behavior. I think there's something there, Guys,

821
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: I don't think we cannot discount him. At first, I

822
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: was like, I don't feel anything with these two, like

823
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: the past two weeks. I was like, this is a

824
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,919
Speaker 1: sweet guy that'll stick around for a while. But she like, Wow,

825
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: what a turnaround on that day. You definitely she like

826
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: she likes yes, definitely likes them. It's cool. Alright, so

827
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: count him in going far, I know. But but they're

828
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: already showing this, so that makes me worried for him,

829
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: you know, you know they're giving us too much too,

830
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: So I think there's good things to come for that man,

831
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: no matter what. Okay, good, no matter what, Yeah, no

832
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 1: matter what. All right, let's move on to like the

833
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 1: kind of like the last scene of the episode, we

834
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 1: see the guys at the house. It's about to go

835
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: down with Thomas. Aaron keeps calling him a psychopath. I'm like,

836
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: calm down, Aaron, Okay, it's like I o't look at

837
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: this school like, okay, yeah, I get it, you don't

838
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 1: like him, Like and Hunter kind of how to sit

839
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: down with Thomas, saying like, you know, the guys aren't

840
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: really sure about you. Right now, and now they're going

841
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:51,959
Speaker 1: to have a big, a big like confrontation. Always fun,

842
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: always exciting, and they're getting together to let you know,

843
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: to let Katie know that they don't think you should

844
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,479
Speaker 1: be here. Ever, I mean, I don't know that that's

845
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: up to them exactly. Now they're having a little bit

846
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 1: of a power surge after the Rose ceremonies, you know, ordeal.

847
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: Now they're like, oh we can basically yeah, they're like,

848
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: what is the survivor? You think you could vote people

849
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: out of the house, like now gets to decide not Yeah, yeah,

850
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's that's funny. That's funny to me. Yeah,

851
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: all right, Well, any last thoughts on the episode or

852
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: what's to come? No, But I was just like, this

853
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: was a great episode. I thought it was a really

854
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: good episode, and I'm excited to see where it goes

855
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: for her and for Michael and all the other guys.

856
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: But those are my you know, Katie and Michael right now,

857
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: that's who I I'm worried about. A thought. Okay, yes,

858
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 1: I can't believe you two aren't more up in uproar

859
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: about this. Uh this Okay, this frustrated me. I like Katie,

860
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: but I think he made a drastic mistake this episode.

861
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: I think it brings a lot into question. She got

862
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: rid of my number two guy, John, and I liked

863
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: John John from the Bartender. Yeah, I think he was

864
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: the bartender and I don't know what happened in that relationship,

865
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: but he was sweet, he was sensitive, he was a

866
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: very average mud wrestler. I thought this guy was here

867
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: to stay. And he gets let go and goes home,

868
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: and I was crushed. I'm sorry, sorry for you that

869
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:32,959
Speaker 1: I must be the only one, am I the only

870
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: one here? I didn't feel attached to him, to be

871
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: quite honest, Yeah, you know some of them. There's some

872
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: great guys that you just don't feel or women. I'm

873
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: sure in your case then you just they're great, but

874
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: you just don't have a spark, you know who. I

875
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: want to see more of that we haven't seen have

876
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 1: any sort of connection with Katie Christian from Boston, Jared's

877
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: future best friend. Yeah, yeah, he made a couple of

878
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: good comments this episode, but yeah, I think and we

879
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: can close it here. I'm watching their pow wow as

880
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: they confront Thomas, and I'm watching these group dates and

881
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: there's some like really good dudes in there who don't

882
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: want to get involved in the drama of it all,

883
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: so they kind of stand back, and their facial expressions

884
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 1: are absolutely fantastic, like absolutely like the best things to

885
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: watch in the world. And at some point I believe

886
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: those guys will shine. You'll get to know more about them,

887
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: right but hopefully in the mix they don't just stay

888
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: quiet because the controversy, you know, kind of like deafens them.

889
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: But I think that's his deal, ash I think he's

890
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: just like he was like, I don't want to get

891
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: involved in this. I'm from Boston, Like I've seen a

892
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: lot worse than some guys are, Like, are we really

893
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 1: fighting about this? Let's you know, let's let's cut the

894
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: drama on. Let's just you know, figure it all out

895
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 1: as we go along, because you know, I mean, some

896
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: people just love to fight. So Jim, before we let go,

897
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: I do this with Ashley, I've been do it with

898
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: you as well. Um, who are your top two to

899
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 1: three favorites? And Ashley, you're right after her on the show.

900
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: You're right now, who do you think is going to

901
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: go the farthest? Who do you like this is? I'm

902
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: I'm having a problem, Okay, I like Hunter, I like Michael,

903
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: and then there was another guy I thought was super cute,

904
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 1: but I can't remember his name. I think was he

905
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: a bartender? Did somebody? Okay, it's like curly as Blondie

906
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: Share wrote is. I thought I wrote his name down,

907
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: not connor by but couldn't have a lot to say.

908
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: He didn't have a lot to say today, but he

909
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: did get a rose Christian. Maybe it's Christian. He's super cute. Okay, Okay,

910
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: that's Christian. So yeah, sorry. Then I was talking, you

911
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: were talking about who I was talking about. That's it.

912
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: That's good. That's a that's a good list, Ashley. Alright,

913
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 1: so I'm going to add Michael to the top now,

914
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: so it'll be Michael, um Connor, b Greg and then

915
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: um Andrew, who I think is a sort of dark

916
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: horse right now, because I think he's gonna get far,

917
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,240
Speaker 1: but I don't think we've seen a lot of him yet.

918
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,919
Speaker 1: Why why did you make the greg uh sound Greg?

919
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: Because he's so wonderful and he brings so much comfort

920
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: to us all while watching him on screen with Katie.

921
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 1: That's perfect. I like, I was, I was injured interested

922
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 1: with the noise. Mant Hey Jin, You're the best again.

923
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: Everybody out there listening, uh please please please go consider

924
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 1: listening to Jin's podcast and it is called from the

925
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: Bachelor to the Burbs wherever you can listen to podcast.

926
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: Jin Cheff Waterman, thanks for joining us for this breakdown.

927
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much, so fun. It's now time

928
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:48,240
Speaker 1: for one of our biggest, most famous, most almost famous,

929
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: uh segments of the podcast. It's called Bachelor headlines, and

930
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: we've got a few. This is a big one. A

931
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: buddy of mine, um who is at my bachelor party,

932
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: Wills Adams roll on Bachelor in Paradise just got even bigger.

933
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: People are super pumped about this. This according to e Yeah,

934
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,919
Speaker 1: so he's not just going to be the bartender, he's

935
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: also going to be presiding over rose ceremonies. So my

936
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: big question is this, why is their guest hosts. Why

937
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: couldn't they just have Wells be the bartender giving everybody

938
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 1: advice and like words of support and guidance at the bar,

939
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: and then he conducts the row ceremonies. Like, why do

940
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: you need a host to do anything more than that?

941
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: I don't know what a host does. Now I'm super

942
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: pumped for wells a huge deal for him, really excited,

943
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: uh that he gets this opportunity. He's going to be

944
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,720
Speaker 1: great at it, I have no question but take away

945
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: like him being a friend and him being good at it.

946
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 1: For a second, what else does the host do on

947
00:50:56,520 --> 00:51:00,040
Speaker 1: this show that they guide, they support and they to

948
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 1: roast harmonies? Like I don't get it. Uh So it's

949
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,760
Speaker 1: gonna be interesting to see how much the host plays

950
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: a role in backstor in Paradise this season, because in

951
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:11,800
Speaker 1: past seasons, I mean really, Chris has showed up for

952
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:16,720
Speaker 1: roast ceremonies for like group date cards, maybe to introduce somebody,

953
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 1: like to welcome him in. But I don't feel like

954
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 1: we need David Spade to do that. No, Like, I'm

955
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 1: really curious as to what they're gonna do. Lauren. My

956
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: sister was like, it's gonna be like little John. Hey,

957
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 1: I'm Little John, and this week I'm gonna teach you

958
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: how to wrap. And it's like Lance is going to

959
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: be there and he's like, I want to teach you

960
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: how to dance, like do a choreograph dance. Um. Then

961
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 1: David Spade it's like, hey, I'm gonna teach you to

962
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 1: stand up like, is it gonna be like that that

963
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: that's actually not a bad idea, I can see, I

964
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: can see that, But I mean again, it goes back

965
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: to the conversation we've been having is how do you

966
00:51:56,520 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 1: pay little John David Spade, Lance Bass to be a

967
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: host of a show if all they're gonna do is

968
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: go and host a date? Like, how do you convince

969
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,879
Speaker 1: them the quarantine for a week in Mexico and then

970
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,919
Speaker 1: film for a week in Mexico. That's just a big

971
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 1: deal for them. When Jared and I found out that

972
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: Wills is gond do ROAs ceremonies, he was like, I

973
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:16,439
Speaker 1: bet you the hosts weren't gonna want to even stay

974
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:20,280
Speaker 1: up that late because rose ceremonies take place in Paradise,

975
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: like almost consistently at three or four o'clock at night.

976
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: And he was like, probably couldn't even convince in the morning. Sorry,

977
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: that's everybody. Yeah, that's why I want to be the

978
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: host of the Senior Show because there's no way you

979
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: could convince me to be the bit three in the

980
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 1: morning hosting ROAs ceremonies. I want to host the Senior

981
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: Show because I see those being like a a mid

982
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: afternoon Rose ceremony that you know exists for just a

983
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 1: few hours. That that is the sweetest deal. Hey, Ashley

984
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: More headlines more details about Chris Harrison's exit from The

985
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: Bachelor franchise. It says, according to Variety, that he actually

986
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: got a nine million dollar payout, which was you know

987
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: discussed multiple times, uh, you know last week. Yeah, So

988
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: initially people were saying that he was going to get

989
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: an aid figure payout um, but two people familiar with

990
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 1: the negotiations say that he got nine million plus remaining

991
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:22,760
Speaker 1: contractual fees, which brought his total exit package to about

992
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: ten million UM, about the same paycheck he would have

993
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: made from two back to back years of work, as

994
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: his contract was said to be around five million dollars

995
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 1: a year UM. It also says that he wanted to

996
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: keep his job, but at a certain point the damage

997
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: was done. The relationship had been soured and drama hit

998
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,760
Speaker 1: an all time high with the network in the studio

999
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: and his attorney quickly arranged an exit deal, and within

1000
00:53:56,239 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 1: a matter of days, Harrison had reached a legal agreement

1001
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 1: to depart the franchise on his own accord. Wow, Well

1002
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: that's the big updates. Life without Chris Harrison on the

1003
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 1: Bachelor franchise. We're seeing it and that brings us to

1004
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 1: our mentors for this season. A few stories about Caitlin

1005
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,919
Speaker 1: and Taitia. Caitlin Bristow this week had a week where

1006
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: she was pretty outspoken about the criticism she's been receiving

1007
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: for her appearance, and the headline means this, Caitlin Bristow

1008
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: shuts down criticism of her different appearance with refreshingly honest response.

1009
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: This according to eat Okay, So I saw this response

1010
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,919
Speaker 1: on Twitter, thought I was amazing. Somebody said there's something

1011
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: different about you, but I can't like figure it out,

1012
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: put my finger on it. And then Caitlin was like,

1013
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 1: could it be? And then she listed a whole bunch

1014
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,240
Speaker 1: of things that she has done over the past six years,

1015
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 1: in addition, um in addition to of course being six

1016
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: years older. But she wrote exactly this, six years since

1017
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: I've been on the show. Brow lift, micro needle a,

1018
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 1: micro blading, got my teeth, bonded some lip filler, aging

1019
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 1: darker hair, and I finally learned how to contour. Oh

1020
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: and I put some weight on. So yes. I love

1021
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: how honest Caitlin loves with that and and just absolutely

1022
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 1: ridiculous for the amount of comments she gets she's beautiful.

1023
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, like, yeah, what are we doing?

1024
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: Uh well? Other mentortation Adams. Her dad actually says he's

1025
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: happy with how she's progressing, and that's in quotes with

1026
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 1: fiance Zach Clark dis According to People, Yeah, so her dad, Desmond,

1027
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: was on Mike Johnson and Brian Abslow's Talking It Out

1028
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: podcasts and he was describing his future son in law.

1029
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: He says he's humble and genuine and an all around

1030
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: good guy. What you see is what you get. He said,

1031
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: That's what he really liked about him. A lot of people,

1032
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: as you know, they go on the show for promoting

1033
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 1: certain things. Um, I think it was all pretty new

1034
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 1: to Zach. If if I recall, well, he wasn't really

1035
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 1: a follower of the show for so many years or whatnot.

1036
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: And during our first conversation we had some good heart

1037
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: to hearts, even those first conversations this he said, we're

1038
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: like pretty deep. He said, I was happy with him.

1039
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 1: He was a really he was just a really nice

1040
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: guy and like how things are progressing. Super cool to

1041
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 1: hear a dad of a daughter say that, you know,

1042
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: We've been fans of Zac and Tatious since they got together,

1043
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: so we'll continue to support them. Here we'll speaking of

1044
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: past bachelorettes. Hannah Brown gushes over boyfriend Adam Lord. I

1045
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: think I said that right. I don't know if I did,

1046
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 1: but you get it if I didn't. In sweet post,

1047
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:43,919
Speaker 1: the quote is she's feeling especially blessed this according to us, Yeah,

1048
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 1: she just pushed. She posted a cute little picture of

1049
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:51,280
Speaker 1: the of the two of them and captioned it Adam

1050
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,839
Speaker 1: appreciation post. Just feeling especially blessed to have you by

1051
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: my side. Thank you for everything you do for me.

1052
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 1: I am one lucky girl. I like the way that

1053
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 1: like they show off their relationship, but not in a

1054
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,879
Speaker 1: not not in a too much in your face sort

1055
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 1: of way. It just seems really sweet and it seems,

1056
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 1: I mean, this is gonna but it seems very real,

1057
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 1: which you know, in her position, she could be using

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00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: it and highlighting it and you know, using it for

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00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 1: fame and glory. But no, it just seems like, hey,

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00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: we actually want to make this thing work. This is

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Speaker 1: a real deal. Well, some good news now, and it

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00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: has we've been falling over last week. But Lauren Burnham

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00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 1: and Ari lindyke Jr. They just brought home their daughter

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00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: from the hospital after respiratory issues. This according to us, Yeah,

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00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: we don't have a lot of details. She did get

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00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: to go home, um, but it did take a couple

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00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: of days. She said that when they brought home the

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00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: boy twin lux it felt so bitter. Sweet little ciss

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00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 1: has to stay behind for right now. And then Ari said,

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00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 1: I've never felt heartbreak like this. Please say pros for

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00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: our girl. And then we see a Lessie, their oldest

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00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 1: daughter with the baby boy, and he said, already loves

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00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: her brother so much. Emotional few days, but a Lessie

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00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 1: meeting her baby, her little brother today was cuter than

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00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: words could describe. But good news is all the babies

1076
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,959
Speaker 1: are home and seeming to be doing pretty well. Now

1077
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: onto uh, kind of switching gears here. Uh, this was

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00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 1: a topic we got a lot of messages about and

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00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: uh it's something that we need to break down. Actually

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00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 1: is going to teach me about it because that was

1081
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 1: kind of our role here. Bachelor lum Carly Waddell is

1082
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 1: in rough shape after hospitalization. This, according to page six,

1083
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 1: actually catch us up what's going on? Oh my gosh,

1084
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 1: nobody knows what's really going on, including Carly herself. She

1085
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 1: posted a fifteen minute video to her Instagram describing everything

1086
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: that went down last week, and I was truly nauseous

1087
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 1: just hearing about it. Her girl gets like cramps, such

1088
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 1: such bad stomach pains, she said. The only thing that

1089
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 1: she felt even similar to them in her life were contractions. Um,

1090
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 1: she was in line to get on an airplane, gets

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00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: on the airplane despite the cramps, and then it gets

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00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 1: worse and worse. She says that her hearing goes out,

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00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 1: her eyes sight goes out, you know, like you know, faint,

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00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 1: You're in the faint zone. Um. She gets just flushed

1095
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: with like overwhelming amounts of heat. She ends up passing out.

1096
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: Um walking off the airplane. Right. She was so lucky.

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00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 1: It was right before or like right after they closed

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00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 1: the door, So she made it off the plane. Could

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00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 1: you imagine feeling like that in the air Oh, they

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00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 1: would have probably had to make an emergency landing, because

1101
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 1: she ends up going into the ambulance instead of Her

1102
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 1: blood pressure got alarmingly low. She felt so ill that

1103
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 1: she was like even herself a pep talk to keep living.

1104
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: She was like honestly, like I felt like death was near.

1105
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 1: Gets to to the hospital, throwing up so much, all

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01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 1: the diarrhea um. They nothing would stop it, no Zoe

1107
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 1: fran or anything. And her they couldn't get her blood,

1108
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 1: like they couldn't even find like a vein for her

1109
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 1: blood because I don't know what was going on there.

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01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 1: And after everything kind of like came out, uh, she

1111
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 1: said that like there wasn't much for them to do

1112
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 1: other than like hydrate her. And and they think that

1113
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 1: it was a bacterial or viral infection that just hit

1114
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 1: her hard, like it was just something bad in there.

1115
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: But still she still doesn't know. And she says now

1116
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 1: a week later that she is feeling you know, controllable. Um.

1117
01:00:57,120 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: She would get bouts of nausea and such, but but

1118
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: doesn't know what's what went on. You know, when I

1119
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 1: had that parasite after this season, I was thinking about

1120
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 1: you at the parasite, it was very similar, and it

1121
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 1: would like getting up in the planes or getting the

1122
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 1: pressurized situation would or any anxiety or nerves like of

1123
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 1: the smallest amount would bring it on. So I do

1124
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 1: wonder if she had something like something in her gut

1125
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:24,479
Speaker 1: that was causing because it would make you it would

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01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: be like excruciating pains. So our thoughts are with Carly.

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Speaker 1: You can follow her story. She's doing a pretty good

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01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 1: job now that she's at a hospital on keeping us

1129
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 1: up today on Instagram. Well that's the all the Bachelor

1130
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Speaker 1: headlines we have today. Another great episode of Katie's season.

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01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 1: We're gonna rank this season so far, we haven't done

1132
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 1: it yet because we're kind of waiting to get into it.

1133
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 1: I'm giving Katie season so far actually an a minus,

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01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 1: and only in a minus because I want to see

1135
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 1: room for growth. But I'm really enjoying it, and I

1136
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 1: like the cast. I really like Katie. I'm enjoying participating

1137
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:00,919
Speaker 1: Viewers still aren't tuning in. Ratings are still down, which

1138
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 1: is frustrating probably for many, but as far as like,

1139
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 1: if you're a Bachelor fan, I like this season, what

1140
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 1: about you me too? I was going to give it

1141
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 1: the same I was gonna say a nine, which would

1142
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 1: be like, I think I love it for the same

1143
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 1: reason as you just mentioned. I love feeling attached to

1144
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 1: the cast already this early on. I feel like they're

1145
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 1: giving us exactly what we want, which is love, stories, depths, substance,

1146
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 1: and I'm excited to continue to invest in these love stories.

1147
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:33,919
Speaker 1: It almost feels like a throwback season, like a season

1148
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 1: you would see ten ten five years ago, like a

1149
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 1: season that really was focused on building relationships. It's pretty great. Well, hey,

1150
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 1: that's all we got for you today. Thanks again for

1151
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 1: jin Cheft Waterman for joining us, and as always my

1152
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 1: wonderful co host Ashley can Eddie i'van been and as

1153
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 1: always my wonderful co host Ben Higgins. I love you

1154
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 1: guys so much. I've been actually a piece out followed

1155
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: the Benn and Ashley Almost Famous podcasts on I Heart

1156
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 1: Radio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts