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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal.

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Speaker 2: Ull that for me, I'm a man, I'm for it.

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Speaker 3: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 3: be happy. You want to be happy for Dake Edith State.

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Speaker 1: Is that whoo whoo? And them and tie? Iowa football? Yeah, baby,

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Speaker 1: easy to make jokes about lately. Yes, we have typically

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Speaker 1: made all of those jokes. We are not making them today.

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Speaker 3: Do you have a favorite joke that you made?

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Speaker 1: I think the whole Brian Farrens drive for three twenty

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Speaker 3: I enjoyed the my very rudimentary math calculation that punters

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Speaker 3: ran off the field to more yardage than the offense

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Speaker 3: put up last year. It was something along those lines.

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Speaker 1: It was great. It has been a tumultuous go for

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Speaker 1: the Iowa offense as of late. It has been a

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Speaker 1: popular punchline. We have not been above those punchlines. But

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Speaker 1: that being said, we thought maybe we would take a

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Speaker 1: deeper dive into where Iowa has been as an offense,

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Speaker 1: how it got here, where it goes next, and basically

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Speaker 1: the red flags along the way. What has happened? What

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Speaker 1: have been the key moments throughout the course of the

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Speaker 1: last decade plus in this Kirk Farens coach team that

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Speaker 1: got us to where we're at right now.

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Speaker 3: What I just heard is you pitching a concept called

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Speaker 3: behind the punchline colin Iowa football, like a behind the

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Speaker 3: Music Leaf Garrett type examination of what has happened this

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Speaker 3: past decade and a half with Iowa football.

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Speaker 1: We're going to have Scott Doctrman on from the Athletics.

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Speaker 1: Scott has covered Iowa football Iowa sports for a good

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Speaker 1: long time and has great insight into where it started

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Speaker 1: under Kirk Farence back in the late nineties. Yeah, where

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Speaker 1: it has gone in the interim, and now how it's

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Speaker 1: arrived at where it currently is. And then after we

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Speaker 1: get the reporter's perspective as somebody who has rooted for

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Speaker 1: a team that at one point had an older coach

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Speaker 1: that much of the fan base wanted out, that also

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Speaker 1: had a son hired as an offensive coordinator. I am

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Speaker 1: always interested in knowing how the fan base feels about

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Speaker 1: the current state of play within a football program. Lucy

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Speaker 1: Rodin is going to stop buying noted Iowa football fan,

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Speaker 1: going to stop by to give us her perspective, her

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Speaker 1: journey from being born in Iowa fan to where she

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Speaker 1: is now having watched this program again for the last

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Speaker 3: What I want to do though, because Scott Doctrman follows

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Speaker 3: the team professionally covers the team and this program and

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Speaker 3: has for a long time, and Lucy has been a

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Speaker 3: fan for a long time. Like you said, it's her

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Speaker 3: birthright from Afar. You have no connection to Iowa football.

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Speaker 3: I have no connection to Iowa football. They've always struck

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Speaker 3: me as consistently winning astrosk right that like, there have

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Speaker 3: been terrific defenses, there have been terrific offensive lines, great

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Speaker 3: running back play, superb tight ends. They've won big games

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Speaker 3: against very strong teams right over the years, whether it's

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Speaker 3: Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, within the Big Ten, they've

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Speaker 3: been to big Bowl games. They've always been super fascinating

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Speaker 3: to me because they've occupied their own little lane within

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Speaker 3: the sport of just like big mean dudes who go

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Speaker 3: to the NFL but don't necessarily look like they're having

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Speaker 3: a ton of fun downfield.

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Speaker 1: I am most interested in learning the genesis of the

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Speaker 1: current state of affairs. Yeah, I'm fascinated by these stories

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Speaker 1: of how things change very gradually over the course of time.

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Speaker 1: Maybe there's a rule change, maybe there's a coaching change,

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Speaker 1: maybe there's a personnel change, all these little dominoes that

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Speaker 1: add up to get us where we're at today. That,

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Speaker 1: to me, from an Iowa standpoint, is something I need

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Speaker 1: to know more about and a big part of why

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Speaker 1: I think you and I wanted to do this episode.

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Speaker 3: I have many more positive things to say about Iowa

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Speaker 3: football over the past, how basically the history of this

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Speaker 3: show since two thousand and eight, Then I do negative

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Speaker 3: things like to me, they are the quintessential. You better

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Speaker 3: stock up on advil for postgame locker room situations like

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Speaker 3: they are. They are probably one of the five least

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Speaker 1: to have you with us on our journey through the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four college football season, which is going to

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Speaker 1: some Iowa football. Let's kick things off with Scott Document.

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Speaker 2: My name is Scott doctor Man. I work for the

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Speaker 2: Athletic and I have for nearly six years now. Previously

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Speaker 2: I was exclusively Iowa now I'm kind of an Iowa

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Speaker 2: but also kind of expand those issues.

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Speaker 1: So what was the starting point for this offense when

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Speaker 1: Kirk Farns first took over this program back in nineteen

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I guess going way back when Kirk

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Speaker 2: and that was his goal, like he did in the

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Speaker 2: NFL when he was with the Baltimore Ravens and Jonathan

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Speaker 2: was translate it by moving a bunch of tight ends

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Speaker 2: Two of them were all unanimous all Americans. And at

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Speaker 2: that time in the Big Ten in the early two thousands,

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Speaker 2: not more so. And then they were good too, because

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Speaker 2: when he had all Americans like a Dallas Clark, Robert Gallery,

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Speaker 3: Teams when Iowa's offense was pretty good. And so it's

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Speaker 3: been sporadic here and there, but we do have game

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Speaker 3: season stretches. Why was it good? What was behind a

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Speaker 2: I think there's a couple of factors. One is excellent

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Speaker 2: run the ball mostly effectively outside the last couple of years,

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Speaker 2: these players are still in the NFL. When Pokinson and

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Speaker 1: Was there a specific red flag moment for you when

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's probably about ten, a little over

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Speaker 2: ten years ago when you saw Greg Davis become the

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Speaker 2: oil and water. He wanted to run kind of a

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Speaker 2: him point guard wide receivers to get going. Iowa does

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Speaker 2: not have did not have that type of player, and

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Speaker 2: And that's kind of why they are an offensive line

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Speaker 2: And then you know, Greg Davis coached his way, but

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Speaker 2: of flatlined offensively. They had some decent seasons with some

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Speaker 2: You look in a mirror of and some of the

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Speaker 2: And then when Brian Ferrets became offensive coordinator, they went

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Speaker 2: So it's just like this ebb and flow on the

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Speaker 1: Mash Scott, as you think back, what are the things

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Speaker 1: that have changed within the program around the program that

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Speaker 2: The quarterback play has been a factor, and I think

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Speaker 2: the skiing inside the red zone has been a factor.

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Speaker 2: And the other part of that when it comes to blocking,

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Speaker 2: why Iowa hasn't run very much and this is more

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Speaker 2: is they relied heavily on an outside zone run ski

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Speaker 2: They've been pretty much eliminated Iowa under the last three

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Speaker 2: to four years under Brian Ferrence and Kirk Ference. They

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Speaker 2: when you have the big picture of rule changes with

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Speaker 2: inadequate quarterback play on, and let's face it, the scheme

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Speaker 2: and some of the red zone play calling was as

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Speaker 2: bad as there whatever was, then that's why you've seen

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Speaker 2: a real drop in how Iowa was able to score.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad you brought up the offensive line thing because

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Speaker 3: as I was going back and I think this might

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Speaker 3: Kirk Ferrence is an offensive line legend. The ideal Kirk

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Speaker 3: You look at the track record at both the offensive

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Speaker 2: It's it's fascinating to listen to their discussions over recruiting

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Speaker 2: I think there is some validity to why aren't you

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Speaker 1: So I'm hearing three things Scott. One, they've been slow

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Speaker 2: This is where the perception has really hurt Iowa, along

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Speaker 2: None of them have been really high me third was

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Speaker 2: they recruited twenty four freshman wide receivers and only seven

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Speaker 2: It's gotten even worse in recent years. In twenty eighteen

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Speaker 2: They did nothing to rectify any of it. You know,

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Speaker 3: Is the fact that the defense under Phil Parker has

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Speaker 3: I don't believe to be a stupid person, But is

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Speaker 2: I believe so, and I think that's part of the

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Speaker 2: We're going to win, and winning's the only thing that matters.

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Speaker 3: And Kirk Farreens knows this right like he sees where

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Speaker 3: But he sees the motion of the ocean within the sport.

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Speaker 2: The power structure for a long time was Kirk Ferrets

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Speaker 2: there were no repercussions from that. I think Rabdo was

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Speaker 2: and there was nothing, no penalty to the strength coach.

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Speaker 3: And he won the Strength Coach of the Year that year,

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Speaker 2: He won Assistant Coach of the Year. He gave him

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Speaker 2: of the athletic director who did nothing. And for most

435
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 2: of the tenure that they worked together, it was Kirk

436
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 2: was all powerful. Gary was hands off. It changed quite

437
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 2: a bit. Then in twenty twenty when they had this

438
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 2: situation with racial bias and Chris Doyle was was pushed

439
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,959
Speaker 2: out out and then you have the situation and this

440
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 2: became they couldn't have handled this worse the drive for

441
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 2: three twenty five last year, where I mean, it's understandable,

442
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 2: and this is where nepotism laws really are written, is

443
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,120
Speaker 2: don't prop up somebody it's in your family who can't

444
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 2: do the job effectively. And then of course with Gary

445
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 2: saying okay, well we're going to redo your contract and

446
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 2: you've got to reach this scoring limit, well that became

447
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 2: the punchline. And then they couldn't reach it because and

448
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,400
Speaker 2: I'll give KRK credit to some extent that they did

449
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 2: everything they could try to do going into last season

450
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 2: to be effective. They got a new quarterback from Michigan.

451
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 2: They got a wide receiver from Ohio State. They took

452
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 2: a big South the freshman receiver of the year Eric All,

453
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,919
Speaker 2: a tight end from Michigan. They brought in the offensive players.

454
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,959
Speaker 2: They didn't expect quarterback to get an ACL tight end

455
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 2: to get an ACL. Wide receivers then were ineffective because

456
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,959
Speaker 2: the other quarterback they brought in from Wisconsin wasn't very

457
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 2: very good. It's all kind of going back to Kirk

458
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 2: having this incredible power.

459
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 1: Can you detail how the Brian farrench drive for twenty

460
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: five altimat him came to be and what the reaction

461
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 1: to that was internally as opposed to externally because from

462
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 1: the outside, of course, as you said, it was a punchline,

463
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: but internally that's a lot of undue pressure that I'm

464
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 1: sure did not help. What was the reaction to.

465
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 2: That, Yeah, well, it came about I think if we

466
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 2: remember the yearbook before last and they were averaging I

467
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 2: think it was eighteen points a game, and fans were

468
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 2: just beside themselves and how can this happen? And the

469
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 2: overwhelming amount of negative feedback that Gary Barta was getting,

470
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 2: you know, was he had to do something and Kirk

471
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 2: was not going to do something on the going. You know,

472
00:25:55,320 --> 00:26:00,040
Speaker 2: it became such a problem for the entire department. But

473
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 2: that Gary had to step in because he is officially

474
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 2: Brian Farrens's supervisor because of nepotism laws. And when it

475
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 2: was unveiled, I mean, Kirk didn't like it. Of course.

476
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,479
Speaker 2: Brian even told me He's like, look, I told him

477
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 2: this is stupid. You know, you shouldn't do this. Just

478
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 2: fire if you're going to do this. Well, he had

479
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 2: to do something because I think talking to some other

480
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,679
Speaker 2: eighties around the Big Ten, they were like, honestly, I

481
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 2: was really surprised Brian just didn't resign. You know, why

482
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 2: put your dad through this, Why put yourself through this?

483
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 2: Just step away, just go get another job. You're you

484
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 2: still got a good name. Now it's less of a

485
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 2: good name.

486
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 5: Uh.

487
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 2: And then internally, you know, it had the reaction that

488
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people think outside you know,

489
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the program was a little bit

490
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 2: it is. Some of the staffers were a little perplexed

491
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 2: by it. They didn't reference it or mention it, but

492
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 2: you know, I think it was a grind a little

493
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 2: bit for the for some of the maybe staffers that

494
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 2: but why are we propping him up a whole time?

495
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 2: You know, if it wasn't just but they also liked

496
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 2: where they were. They are die hards for the program,

497
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 2: and so they didn't really say anything. They made enough

498
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 2: moves in the off season quarterback and tight end and

499
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 2: wide receivers, they felt like they had a chance to

500
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 2: really make strides. So it would be beyond twenty five

501
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 2: points Brian to be safe, and then they could just

502
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 2: move on from there.

503
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: Do you feel that Kirk Farence's power in the new

504
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: administration or with the new folks running the program has

505
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: diminished at all? Has it taken on a new shape?

506
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 1: What is the current status of the Kirk Farens fiefdom.

507
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 2: It's not. I wouldn't say it's like a constitutional monarchy

508
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 2: where I was an absolute one before, but it is.

509
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:55,719
Speaker 2: He is certainly not all powerful. Beth Gatz is in

510
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 2: charge and she showed that, and she's shown that with

511
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 2: a couple of other things that she's done too, and

512
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 2: she's moving in a completely different direction. And I think

513
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 2: it shows some cases the ineffectiveness of Gary Barta to,

514
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 2: you know, force his football coach to stand down because twice,

515
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 2: of course, he gave him ten year contract extensions and

516
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 2: he was so fearful of him leaving that he gave

517
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 2: him pretty much the power. And the donors are behind him,

518
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 2: the high money donors, the fan base. It kind of

519
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 2: swings with the wins and losses. But you know, I

520
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 2: would say now he's still the most powerful person on campus.

521
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 2: He's still the most powerful person in the athletics department.

522
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 2: But it's a little more integrated now and you know,

523
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 2: judging from people I've talked to that, you know she's

524
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 2: more involved and she's not just a yes person, doesn't

525
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 2: just rubber stamp things. She was heavily involved in the

526
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 2: in the offensive coordinator search. It was his decision, but

527
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 2: she was there interviewing and talking to the offensive coordinators too,

528
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 2: because whatever happens, especially in football in an offense, really

529
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 2: impacts her view of the from the fans and from

530
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 2: the donors as well.

531
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: The story I guess of the off season for IOWA

532
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: has been bringing in Tim Lester, new offensive coordinator. You

533
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: mentioned new athletic director involved in that process. Can you

534
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: walk us through that process? I know there were a

535
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: couple of names, I think four names that you mentioned

536
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: in one of the articles that had been considered for

537
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: that position. Do we know who else was considered? Do

538
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: we know what Kirk was looking for? What can you

539
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: tell us about that whole process in the off season.

540
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 2: It was a frustrating process, not only to cover, but

541
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 2: I think for the people that were involved and the

542
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 2: people watching from afar because that happened right around Halloween

543
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 2: when it was when Brian Farrence was let go and

544
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 2: Kirk decided, I'm going to just treat that like what

545
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 2: any other higher and we're going to get through the

546
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: end of the season. Then we're going to go recruit,

547
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 2: and we're gonna worry about transfer, portal and bowl game,

548
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 2: and then I'll worry about offensive coordinator. And in that time,

549
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 2: you saw Penn State go to then grab Kansas's offensive

550
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 2: port and he saw I mean, there have been nine

551
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 2: changes in the Big Ten on offensive defensive side since

552
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 2: the off season, and everybody's going, what are you doing? Well?

553
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 2: Paul christ was the one that really I think he wanted.

554
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 2: I think he was the one that he would fit

555
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 2: with what Iowa wants to do. And you know, they

556
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 2: coached against each other for a long time and knew

557
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 2: and both when Paul was an assistant ed Wisconsin then

558
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 2: a you know head coach Pitt and of course at Wisconsin.

559
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 2: But Paul ultimately chose he wanted to stick around. He

560
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 2: thought he probably maybe rightly so that if he continues

561
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 2: to to help win a viewers at arch Manning thrive,

562
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 2: then that will you know, help him get a head

563
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 2: coaching job. I also say, well, if you fix Iowa.

564
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 2: That probably would help too. But uh, and then after

565
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 2: that and they went to the Duke offensive coordinator last year,

566
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,479
Speaker 2: Kevin Johnson, he interviewed for the job. Tim Lester of

567
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 2: course did kind of the next day and I want

568
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 2: to you know, there was Joe Philbin was discussed. Ultimately,

569
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 2: it kind of it came down to Kevin Johns and

570
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 2: Tim Lester. One of the things that I know Kirk

571
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 2: really liked and he was kind of heading in the

572
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 2: Johns direction. But what one thing he really liked about

573
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 2: tim Lester was last year he spent as a defensive

574
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 2: analyst with the Green Bay Packers after he was fired

575
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 2: at Western Michigan, and he saw and what Tim was

576
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: able to explain was, this is how we run our

577
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 2: offense under Matt lafleor this is how it will translate,

578
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 2: and here's how we used tight ends because tight ends

579
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 2: were instrumental with the two Brookies there in Green Bay,

580
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 2: and that's how he could make that work in Iowa.

581
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 2: Because tight ends have been successful, there's no reason to

582
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 2: throw that away. So that's kind of why they settled

583
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 2: on tim Lester. As I said, you know, Beth was

584
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 2: involved in discussing and Tim was kind of a later candidate.

585
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 2: He was on his way, I think, to Troy to

586
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,959
Speaker 2: be the offensive coordinator, and then Iowa popped up, and

587
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,959
Speaker 2: so that's kind of that's where they ended up settling.

588
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 3: Is he empowered? Does he have rains on an offense?

589
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 3: Does he have rains on a vision? Is there you know,

590
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 3: behind the scenes of relationship of Kirk Farrens realizing that

591
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 3: the past few years were a misstep with his son,

592
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 3: you know, just from a pure business perspective, and that

593
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 3: wholesale changes were needed, and he is saying, you know,

594
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 3: we want to recruit like this, this is our vision

595
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 3: for the program, but the way it's executed, the way

596
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 3: it's run in practice in spring camp and game planned

597
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 3: for during the season, that's on you. Coach Lester. Do

598
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 3: you get that sense.

599
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 2: At this point? Yes, Now I can also give you

600
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 2: factors at as to how that may change. At this point.

601
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 2: All the nomenclature and the verbiage is from Tim Lester,

602
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 2: So kirkis had to learn that, and he said it's

603
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 2: been tough for it because it's different words than what

604
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 2: he's used to even you know, not only with his son,

605
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 2: but before that they used a lot of the same

606
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 2: verbiage when Greg Davis came, so that that part of it,

607
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 2: the scheme design, He basically formed the foundation. We're still

608
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 2: going to play complimentary football, We're still going to run

609
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 2: outside zone and then that type of thing. But other

610
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 2: than that, it's yours and he's so he's given him

611
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 2: the keys. They're they're working together. Kirk is largely from

612
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 2: what I hear, kind of working more with offensive line

613
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 2: and there and you know, their techniques, which is perfect

614
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 2: for him. I think he's earned the right to be

615
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 2: a figurehead at the times and work with that type

616
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 2: of unit where this could change. And this is probably

617
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 2: the key area for Iowa this fall is with Cave

618
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 2: McNamara still recovering from an acl he should be back

619
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 2: in June. I expect them to grab at least one

620
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 2: quarterback from the portal. And it's not necessarily just to

621
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 2: be a backup either. It's it's to be considered to

622
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 2: compete for a starting job. If the quarterbacks are ineffective

623
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 2: in the passing game, then I could see Kirk kind

624
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 2: of crawling back into his shell little bit and saying, look,

625
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 2: let's not do anything to f this up. Let's go

626
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 2: ahead and you know, we'll we'll punt, you know, we'll

627
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 2: run on third and eight and we'll punt, or we'll

628
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 2: play good defense. We'll scratch out a seventeen thirteen win

629
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,479
Speaker 2: or fourteen to ten win. We're still you know, that's

630
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: where I could see him coming coming down. But Tim

631
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 2: Lester is going to be in the booth. Brian was

632
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 2: on the field, And part of the reason why Brian

633
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 2: was on the field was because his first year as

634
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 2: an oc UH, they over the replay official overturned a

635
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 2: call in the field, and he pounded on the replay

636
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 2: officials door on his way down at halftime, you know,

637
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 2: and starting in F and M, and we're in the

638
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 2: press box just down the hall, and you know he

639
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 2: was you know, officially reprimanded but not suspended. So then

640
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,399
Speaker 2: we got to put him down on the field. Well,

641
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 2: Tim's going to be in the in the press box

642
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 2: and he's going to be calling these plays. And it's

643
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 2: now headset driven. So I don't think Kirk's going to

644
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,240
Speaker 2: overrule him very often. But I think what will happen

645
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 2: is if you have an NF active quarterback or an

646
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 2: injured quarterback and it's like, let's not take any unnecessary risk,

647
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 2: and that's when they can go into really you know,

648
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 2: conservative Kirk mode.

649
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,919
Speaker 3: So even in a universe in which Tim Lester gets

650
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 3: the offense humming and recruiting, especially along the offensive line,

651
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 3: maybe receiver season uptick because Iowa's offense is humming and

652
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 3: there's this sort of rebirth of Iowa's offense looking decent enough.

653
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 3: As we all know, if you have a promising young

654
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 3: player in college football in twenty twenty four, all of

655
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 3: a sudden, Michigan might come calling, Oregon might come calling,

656
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 3: Florida State might come calling. How are things behind the

657
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 3: scenes money wise with collectives and boosters and where is

658
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 3: where are all of their emotions? It relates to Kirk

659
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 3: Farens in this moment.

660
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 2: It's still a work in progress. They do have decent

661
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 2: amount of money. They have enough to take care of

662
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 2: their own if they need to and lure other ones

663
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 2: and as they have from some major INNV So this

664
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 2: isn't They're not a poor program by any stretch, but

665
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 2: it's still you have an older fan base, more you know,

666
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 2: conservative fan base to some extent that hasn't been and

667
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 2: there aren't as many just massive donors. I Aloway say

668
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 2: it actually has more of the big money we're going

669
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 2: to drop a couple million in this pool type money

670
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 2: that Iowa does. But but they have enough to where

671
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 2: they could sustain that, where they can keep it. The

672
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: issue for probably for Yo athletics is more of the

673
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 2: men's men's basketball, because women's basketball is competing with them

674
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 2: now for money and there is a lot of apathy

675
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 2: on the men's basketball front, where the high money donors

676
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 2: that I know of will give to football and the

677
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 2: collective but not to basketball or very little to basketball.

678
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 2: So that that's kind of a tug of war that'll

679
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 2: probably counter most you know, have an issue for most programs,

680
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 2: but at Iowa they'll be able to take care of that. Uh.

681
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: You know.

682
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 2: The big question is after this ar they have a

683
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 2: tremendous defense, but they're all going to be in the

684
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 2: NFL Draft next year. You know, how do they replenish that?

685
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 2: How much longer will Kirk be there? I'm sure that's

686
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 2: being used against him on the recruiting trail. My guess

687
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 2: is just to head that one off probably two to

688
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 2: three years. This is probably my bi ballpark. You know,

689
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 2: he's going to be sixty nine. I think this yeah,

690
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 2: sixty nine. So, but he's a young guy for his age.

691
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 2: I mean, he's he's in good shape, probably better shape

692
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 2: than I am, I can tell you that. But you know,

693
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 2: so Eddie loves football. I mean I've asked him before.

694
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 2: What would you do? Well, I'd probably just go tour

695
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 2: other campuses, watch, maybe go volunteer and coach football there.

696
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 2: And it is true football.

697
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 3: Guy you mentioned and alluded to it a little bit

698
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 3: with Tim Lester and some of the new stuff he's doing,

699
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 3: and how even when they did show motion and try

700
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 3: more creative things on offense it worked. What is specifically

701
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 3: going to be Tim Lester's stamp on this program schematically

702
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 3: and vision wise, that is going to look immediately different,

703
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,720
Speaker 3: hopefully for all of us watching Iowa football in twenty

704
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 3: twenty four.

705
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 2: I like the spacing of their passing routes and their concepts.

706
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 2: It was tough a lot of times to watch, and

707
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 2: then to rewatch it was even more difficult because you're

708
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 2: seeing these routes and you're like, Okay, this is a

709
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 2: blood concept with two to three guys in the same

710
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,280
Speaker 2: area and nothing on the other white side of the field,

711
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 2: what are you guys doing here? And that. I can't

712
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 2: tell you how many times I either wrote that down

713
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 2: or said that last year. What he does is he

714
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 2: uses the entire field and he's not afraid with an RPO,

715
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,479
Speaker 2: and he wants to with an RPO, pull the ball down,

716
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 2: then launch it, hit the tight end down the scene,

717
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 2: hit somebody on the perimeter for a long pass. He

718
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 2: wants to attack down the field, which we saw very

719
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 2: irregularly with Iowa. There have been so many times, you

720
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 2: know that I've said or just discussed or written that

721
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 2: what I always need to do at first play of

722
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 2: the game is just throw the ball fifty yards, get

723
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 2: everybody backed off, and tell them we're going to be here,

724
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 2: We're going to fire. And that never happened. And I

725
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,240
Speaker 2: think Tim Lester is an attact minded coach. That way

726
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 2: doesn't mean he's not going to run the ball by

727
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 2: any stretch. But he's had some good offenses at Western Michigan,

728
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 2: and you know, I think three of them were in

729
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,720
Speaker 2: the top twenty five and iowas sniffed best two thousand

730
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 2: and two. So he's capable of being a little bit more,

731
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 2: you know, spreading the field out, running different concepts, which

732
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 2: I saw He said about eighty percent of the playbook

733
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 2: is installed. A lot of it wasn't visible for us,

734
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 2: and I think using some of the personnel better. I mean,

735
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 2: among my probably biggest complaints was Iowa had a couple

736
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 2: of players that were you know, Tyron Tracing would probably

737
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 2: be at the top of the list where he was

738
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 2: a guy that Iowa played at X receiver, Well, that's

739
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 2: not his position. He can't win one on one matchups

740
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 2: on the outside. He should have been used more in

741
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 2: the slot, which is where he thought he was going

742
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 2: to be used, and ultimately transferred to Purdue, then got

743
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 2: shifted to running back and then became a fourth fifth

744
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 2: round draft pick the other day. That those are the

745
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 2: types of issues that I think Tim Lester will look

746
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 2: at a player, and he's already kind of done that

747
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 2: and said, all right, Caleb Brown, you're built like a

748
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 2: running back, you're very quick, king your four star from

749
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 2: Ohio State. We're gonna put you on the slot and

750
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 2: we're going to keep keep you there largely so you

751
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 2: can win one on one matchups against the linebacker, against

752
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 2: the safety, get open gets and then try to get

753
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 2: yards after the catch. You know, Caleb Brown was playing

754
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 2: a lot of X last year, and I was just

755
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:28,720
Speaker 2: there was too much hard headed, stubborn. This guy plays here,

756
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,439
Speaker 2: he's going to win this matchup. Last year. This time

757
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 2: it's hey, we're going to scheme this guy specifically against

758
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 2: this defense, against this person. And that's what I see

759
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 2: out of tim Lester Scott.

760
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: Among those who cover the IOWA football program who know

761
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: it best, what would you say the level of confidence

762
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: is that this will fix all or at least part

763
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: of the problem that we've seen over the last few seasons.

764
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 2: Most of us that have discussed this are confident it

765
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 2: will get better, fixed or improved or great. We're not

766
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 2: going there. We're fairly skeptical, just because every year it's

767
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 2: been something, hey, we're doing this better or we got this,

768
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 2: and then it's like, oh my god, it can't get worse,

769
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 2: and then it does. You know, last year it was

770
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 2: like quicksand after being rock bottom, and so I think,

771
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 2: based on what I've seen and the people that I

772
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 2: talked to, we expect an improved offense. It should be better.

773
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 2: Now that's a very low bard across, but from what

774
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 2: I've seen, and if they if Kayde McNamara or another

775
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 2: quarterback out of the Portal comes in and can complete

776
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 2: sixty percent of his passes and throw very few interceptions.

777
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 2: That we expect this team to average in the twenty

778
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 2: to twenty five to twenty six, twenty seven point range,

779
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 2: and with this defense, that's more than capable of being

780
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 2: very competitive, probably for an at large playoff spot this

781
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 2: year because last year they won ten games. They play

782
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 2: a similar schedule this year. Yes, they're playing Washington, but

783
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 2: it's a home in Washington's lost thirty players and had

784
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 2: I don't know what hand in the NFL draft and

785
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 2: a new coach, and then they go to UCLA. The

786
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 2: Ohio State's the only opponent that I'm looking at go on.

787
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 2: That's going to be really tough for them to be

788
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 2: So with that defense, if they're average in twenty five

789
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 2: twenty six points a game, they're going to win, you know,

790
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 2: all digit games. So but again, thinking they can do

791
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 2: it and actually doing it, I am skeptical just because

792
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 2: I haven't seen this team play well offensively for a

793
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:25,399
Speaker 2: long time.

794
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,919
Speaker 3: Iowa sports is looked at, or and has been looked

795
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:30,919
Speaker 3: at the past year, year and a half, two years.

796
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 3: Whatever is really cool. Okay, I don't live in Iowa.

797
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 3: I have only been to Iowa once, but Caitlin Clark

798
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 3: has been this transformational athlete, not just in basketball but

799
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 3: in college sports as a whole. You couple that with

800
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 3: you know, Cooper de Gene, I think is really well

801
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 3: liked and appreciated and became sort of a household name.

802
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 3: There's a lot of good will around Iowa. You know

803
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 3: that the children's hospital stuff, I think is really positively

804
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 3: seen throughout the country. Is there recognition that Iowa is

805
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 3: sort of in the middle of a cool moment as

806
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 3: they sort of sell the university as they recruit, as

807
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 3: they try to bring you know, high profile players to

808
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 3: the you know, football team specifically in this conversation, are

809
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 3: we in a unique Iowa coolness moment that should be

810
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 3: taken advantage of? And is it being recognized that it

811
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 3: should be taken advantage of in selling this program to

812
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 3: potential recruits slash can Caitlin Clark recruit for the football team?

813
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 2: And she well, her brother played at Iowa State. Yes,

814
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 2: that's true, he was a walk on. Now the absolutely,

815
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 2: she's she's a unique force. She's a transcendent player, person

816
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 2: personality in your new name it, she is that, and

817
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 2: she's probably This is probably the first time I've seen

818
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 2: somebody that actually could look eye to IYO with the

819
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 2: football program at Iowa at an equal level as far

820
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 2: as interest even from the fan base. And they have

821
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 2: made Iowa a the cool place, especially with women's sports

822
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 2: and basketball, you know, being able to sell out every game.

823
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 2: But to this last year home man away and you know,

824
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 2: the Taylor Swift effect, it was almost like on the

825
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 2: road and all with her, and so I do think

826
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 2: that they can do that, but Iowa has to capitalize

827
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 2: on that too. And the women have, I mean they

828
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,879
Speaker 2: are they're rock stars here. I mean you look at

829
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 2: like some of the there's a T shirt plays regun

830
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 2: which is you know, usually has a lot of starkey

831
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 2: T shirts and support of the athletes women's other than

832
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 2: Tory Taylor there. Their t shirts are all women's basketball

833
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 2: that have sold out.

834
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 3: To be clear, the punter, the All American punters who

835
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 3: were talking about four roundtick, fourth round pick.

836
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, punting is winning, you know. With the Australian map,

837
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 2: I mean that was that was probably sure number one,

838
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 2: but one A and maybe one BU after that is

839
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 2: you know, for not even really Caitlin, but like Abby

840
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 2: Marshall and Anastalkan all them. They're gonna have to see

841
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 2: the Iowa offense is going to make it whether this

842
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,240
Speaker 2: can last or not, because as we know with Brian

843
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 2: Farrence and with the offense sucks and and everybody makes

844
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 2: fun of it all the time. And why wouldn't they.

845
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you have you know, the basketball

846
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 2: coach getting duped and do doing a cameo for Bryan.

847
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 2: You know, we all love you if you need to

848
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 2: go back to your you know, to New England and

849
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 2: you know twit things like that. Uh, the joke was

850
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 2: on Iowa sports. So I think if Iowa's offense can

851
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 2: put itself in a position where it's not made fun

852
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 2: of anymore, where it's like, eh, they're not that bad,

853
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 2: then I think Iowa can certainly live that because basketball wise,

854
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 2: women's basketball wise, they're there. They got a great transfer

855
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,439
Speaker 2: coming in. They're going to sell out again, and it's

856
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 2: just uh in football will sell out at season tickets too.

857
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 2: But yeah, it needs to. It needs to put itself

858
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 2: in that position offensively, because let's face it, that's what

859
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,439
Speaker 2: we all watch in football. And you know, USC didn't

860
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 2: lose its cool factor, you know, having Caleb Williams. Even

861
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 2: though it had one of the worst defenses we've ever seen.

862
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:59,240
Speaker 2: Iowa was a punchline. Even though it won three more games,

863
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 2: it would have beaten you seat probably, but because it didn't,

864
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 2: you know, it couldn't score a point when if the

865
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 2: ball was on the one yard one.

866
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: Let's assume this works this year. Let's assume the offense

867
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: gets better. What does the three year Scott Doctorman Iowa

868
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: offense play and look like? Building on success, hopefully building

869
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: some momentum to further improve things in the future.

870
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,399
Speaker 2: You know, they're they're recruiting at a decent level, better

871
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 2: than they have in the past, so they do have

872
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 2: some good players coming in. I think what it does

873
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 2: is it allows them to continue to compete in the

874
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 2: transfer portal. Like this year, they just spent all their

875
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 2: money retaining their defense, and you know they had six

876
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 2: six year guys. Now we're coming back. Okay, Well, you

877
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,760
Speaker 2: know you were number one in the country and yards

878
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 2: per play allowed and you had two hundred more STAPs

879
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 2: than number two. So sure, we'll do that. But I

880
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 2: think that if it's this works, then they'll be able

881
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 2: to sell that and they'll sell that to wide receivers

882
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 2: on the trail that if you come to Iowa, we're

883
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 2: not the same old Iowa. We're not going to throw

884
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 2: three passes in your direction and only one of them

885
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 2: will be catchable. That we could actually have it a

886
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 2: team that we can throw the ball to you. I mean,

887
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 2: you know, like not to use too many numbers here,

888
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 2: but in twenty nineteen where they actually did receivers, they

889
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 2: had one hundred and sixty nine catches by the wide

890
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,280
Speaker 2: receiver unit, which was tied for the most school history.

891
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 2: Last year they had seventy six. I mean, you know,

892
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 2: they had less than eight hundred yards total by all

893
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,280
Speaker 2: the wide receivers catching the ball, whereas in twenty nineteen

894
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 2: it was more than twenty two hundred. So if they

895
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 2: get closer to those numbers, and that's what's something that

896
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 2: I think Tim Lester did maybe not get that high

897
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 2: this year, but if he can approach that or come

898
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 2: close to it, or show progress, he could take that

899
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 2: on the trail and then maybe somebody in the Chicago land,

900
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 2: somebody in Iowa. You know that normally would say I'm

901
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 2: going to Iowa State or I'm going to Notre Dame,

902
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 2: or I'm going to Wisconsin. It could take that and say, look,

903
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 2: this is what we've got here, this is what you

904
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 2: can do for us. You can take us to the

905
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 2: next level. That's the next level for Iowa is being

906
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 2: able to get a skill position player who could be

907
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 2: a difference maker and then use them effectively. So I

908
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 2: think if Iowa could do that, they'll be They'll be

909
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 2: competitive the way they have been. Does this mean that

910
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 2: they're going to be every year with Ohio State and Michigan,

911
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 2: Probably not, But it means that the years were that

912
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 2: you get to, hey, we've got a veteran offensive line,

913
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 2: we've got a good quarterback, we've got a decent couple

914
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 2: of skill players, and our defense is tough. That they

915
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 2: could go into a Big Ten championship game like the

916
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,439
Speaker 2: defense did last year and compete to the point where

917
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:44,439
Speaker 2: the offense is does anything. I mean, there were net

918
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 2: zero below zero, you know, with their fumbles and everything

919
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 2: last year, that they could actually stand toe to toe

920
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 2: with a Michigan and say, you know, it might come

921
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 2: down to a field. That's that to me is something

922
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 2: that Iowa is capable of doing. If Tim Lester can

923
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 2: get this offense off the mat, what happens if it

924
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,919
Speaker 2: doesn't work, then I think it's I think you'll see

925
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 2: Kirk step away fairly soon. I don't know about this year,

926
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 2: but it could. You know, he's now to me on

927
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 2: that kind of one year cycle where you know he's

928
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 2: going to be sixty nine years old. He's you know,

929
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 2: this is year twenty six. That with a new athletic

930
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 2: director who is very progressive and her thoughts on paying

931
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 2: athletes and what have you, and and looking to the forward,

932
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 2: she's not going to rest and say well he can

933
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 2: just you know, work another seven eight years. And you know,

934
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 2: Iowa football has to be successful for this university to

935
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 2: be successful, let alone the athletic department. So if they

936
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 2: if they go five and seven this year, or if

937
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 2: they are six and six even and go to a

938
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 2: bowl game, but it just looks like, you know, they're

939
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,280
Speaker 2: meddling and things aren't working out right. It wouldn't surprise

940
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 2: me if Kirk gets asked to the step aside, or

941
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 2: maybe does it in another year or two. But I

942
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 2: would say my question for Iowa will be more next

943
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 2: year and beyond, because this defense is good enough then

944
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 2: unless there's just massive wave of injuries that I think

945
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 2: they'll they'll stick in just about every game.

946
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:07,720
Speaker 3: Is it interesting covering Iowa football?

947
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 2: You wouldn't think so because of the offense.

948
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: I mean I kind of do think it's interesting.

949
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 2: But there's all these different factors. I mean, you know,

950
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 2: the Brian stuff drove me nuts, blieve me. You know,

951
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 2: It's like I after a while, I can't even write

952
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 2: a story about Brian because everybody's coming back, you know,

953
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,479
Speaker 2: and I humanized him once, you know, mentioned that his daughter,

954
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 2: you know, died, and people are like, I don't want

955
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 2: to read about that. That's just how bad it got

956
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 2: for a while. But but there are all these interesting issues.

957
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 2: And yes, they don't hit the portal as hard as

958
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 2: other teams, and they don't you know, sometimes they don't

959
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 2: seem exciting. They don't score a lot of points, but

960
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 2: there's a lot of it's it's a lot of interest,

961
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 2: you know in this team, this program. They win games,

962
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 2: and the way they win games sometimes is you know,

963
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 2: may drive you nuts, but you see the strategy and

964
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 2: you know, like almost a baseball game, you know that

965
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 2: sometimes you know, three to one provides you with more

966
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:03,399
Speaker 2: rich material than ten to eight. And then I also

967
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 2: looked across the parking lot of the bat men's basketball

968
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 2: program that you know has led let the Big tenant

969
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 2: scoring for six straight years, yet hasn't even gotten to

970
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 2: the Sweet sixteen since nineteen ninety nine. And they've had

971
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 2: National Players of the Year and they've scored a million points,

972
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 2: and they don't play defense. And it's like, you're not

973
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 2: giving me anything to write about with them, you know,

974
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 2: because yeah, they score a lot of points, but they're

975
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 2: losing ninety to eighty four instead of winning. In the

976
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 2: football team at least win. So I think that's they

977
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 2: do give me. They do make it interesting enough that

978
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 2: you can stain yourself. And now if they were, you know,

979
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 2: going ten and four, that adds to it. If they

980
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,919
Speaker 2: were going seven and five, that would be tough.

981
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: So that's the reporter perspective, Dan, anything stand out to

982
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: you as being revelatory or intriguing in a way that

983
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: you hadn't thought of before. I think I had assumed

984
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: that much of what ailed I want his offense was

985
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:05,919
Speaker 1: due to not adapting with the game, But to hear

986
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: Scott put a finer point on it with Oh, the

987
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: rules changed, Oh they had some big recruiting whiffs along

988
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: the offensive line. Oh the quarterback play has degraded, and

989
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: he gave the stats showing how it has degraded, specifically

990
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 1: in the red zone. All of those things, I think,

991
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: when taken in tandem, really paint a much much clearer

992
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: picture of how things went astray, and not just the

993
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: broad punchline that we all like to make on Saturdays

994
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 1: or have made on Saturdays.

995
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's right. The big thing I took

996
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 3: from both my research before we spoke with Scott and

997
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 3: hearing him speak is I think I undervalued the role

998
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 3: that Kirk Farrens has played more broadly in football because

999
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 3: of his NFL time and in college time. He's one

1000
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 3: of the modern godfathers of offensive line play. So I

1001
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 3: think I gained a new respect and if I had

1002
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 3: to put myself in his shoes, like, Okay, I am

1003
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 3: a godfather of a certain way of playing right, why

1004
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,240
Speaker 3: should I have to adapt? Because I am the master

1005
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 3: of this. And then when the rules were changed, I

1006
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 3: could understand me like, well, you're just trying to take

1007
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 3: it out on me because I am so excellent at

1008
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 3: what I specifically do and what my specific vision has

1009
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:21,919
Speaker 3: been for the Iowa offense because of all of these

1010
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 3: great offensive linemen. I've had a hand in developed developing

1011
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 3: and offensive lines, you know, the grouping that I've had

1012
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 3: a hand in developing. So if I had to put

1013
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 3: myself in Kirk Farns's shoes, I kind of understand the

1014
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 3: stubbornness more than I did going in, Like why do

1015
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 3: I have to change? I am the godfather of these

1016
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 3: incredible this incredible way of playing, and I think he

1017
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,399
Speaker 3: could have done and could still do a better job

1018
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 3: of figuring out offensive line play when you look at

1019
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 3: newer schemes in ways that you know more successful offenses

1020
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 3: have adapted. But like I don't know, I understand the

1021
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 3: very human l of why Kirk Farrens is stubborn more

1022
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 3: so than I did before.

1023
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: I'm always interested to hear the minutia of how things

1024
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: came to be, But as a college football fan, I'm

1025
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,760
Speaker 1: always interested in the temperature of the fan base.

1026
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 4: Hi. My name is Lucia Rodean. I am a lifelong

1027
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 4: Iowa fan. Was born in Iowa, was not raised there, However,

1028
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 4: my dad's University of Iowa graduate. So as a kid,

1029
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 4: we had to rule no plans on Saturdays because we

1030
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 4: had to watch the Hawks and all of that eventually

1031
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 4: led to me going back to Iowa. I grew up

1032
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 4: in North Carolina, so I went a long Waister school,

1033
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 4: went to the University of Iowa, graduated from there, and

1034
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:39,879
Speaker 4: now my little brother goes there. There's like so much

1035
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 4: Iowa coursing through my blood it's insane. If they took

1036
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 4: like a little needle, took a little test right now,

1037
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 4: there'd be so much corn in there they wouldn't believe it.

1038
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: Your ancestry DNA would be one hundred and one percent Iowa.

1039
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, So what is your earliest memory? And I'm not

1040
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 3: doing this to like aid shame you or anything, but

1041
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 3: like I want the baseline of like where you started

1042
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 3: out as an Iowa football fan.

1043
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 4: So I am twenty five years old. My earliest memory

1044
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 4: is kind of a lame one, Like it's not that exciting.

1045
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 4: It was Iowa beating South Carolina in the Outback Bowl,

1046
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 4: and I believe two thousand and eight nothing that fun.

1047
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,399
Speaker 4: I could say that like fifty percent of my Iowa

1048
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,320
Speaker 4: football memories took place in the Outback Bowl for some reason.

1049
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 4: But the moment that like I became an Iowa fan,

1050
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 4: I became a college football fan, was that two thousand

1051
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,760
Speaker 4: and nine Iowa Orange Bowl team with like Ricky Stanzy

1052
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 4: and Micah Hyde, and that team was, like, it was

1053
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 4: disgusting how much I loved that. Like Ricky Stanzy was

1054
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 4: my first childhood crush. I've told him that every time

1055
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 4: he thinks it's weird. I loved that Iowa football team.

1056
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 4: That was the most fun Iowa football team in my lifetime.

1057
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 3: So you're watching Iowa football religiously. How much of a

1058
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 3: concept do you have for other college football and the

1059
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 3: way other teams play and the way other coaches you

1060
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 3: know have personalities or don't have personalities. Is what is

1061
00:55:59,000 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 3: your knowledge?

1062
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 2: You know?

1063
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 3: I guess early on, or at any point early on,

1064
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,240
Speaker 3: of the rest of the college football universe.

1065
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 4: I started pretty solely Iowa because I didn't really want

1066
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 4: to watch college football. It was something that was forced

1067
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 4: upon me. I'm grateful for it. I fell in love

1068
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:15,760
Speaker 4: with it. Starting off. It was pretty much just Iowa

1069
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 4: for me. I remember the first game I ever went

1070
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 4: to was that two thousand and nine Iowa season, and

1071
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 4: Iowa won twelve to nothing in the game I went to,

1072
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 4: and I was like, how could ever may.

1073
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:25,760
Speaker 1: Not love this?

1074
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 4: This is amazing? How are we not all just so

1075
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,320
Speaker 4: excited for this moment. And then probably a year or

1076
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 4: two after I really started to get into college football,

1077
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 4: and I was I could never understand like why people

1078
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 4: didn't love Iowa, Like why didn't why didn't you love me?

1079
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 4: Why don't you love what we do? We're amazing, we

1080
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 4: do everything the same way every year. This is awesome.

1081
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:47,919
Speaker 4: And so it probably took like a year a couple

1082
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 4: of years for me to be like, we're kind of

1083
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 4: we're a little different. We're not We're not like everybody else.

1084
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 4: And then it started to sort of turn into man,

1085
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 4: I kind of wish would be like everybody else a

1086
00:56:58,000 --> 00:56:59,399
Speaker 4: little bit more, just a little bit.

1087
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 3: What were what are your emotions like during this time?

1088
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 3: Even watching twelve nothing Iowa games, Like are you you know,

1089
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 3: riding every like third and shorts and being heartbroken by

1090
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 3: you know, throwing short of the sticks? Like do you

1091
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 3: have a concept of you know where Iowa football is

1092
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 3: going right and going wrong? Or are you just appreciating

1093
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 3: them for what they are?

1094
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 4: I think early on I was just appreciating what they were.

1095
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 4: That didn't mean like I didn't take it incredibly emotionally.

1096
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 4: When Ricky Sansy got hurt against sort of western I

1097
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 4: didn't go to school for dates for days, which one

1098
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 4: poor parenting to be like, yeah, sure, you can just

1099
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 4: stay home. It's all right, you deal with that. But

1100
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 4: once I like, I think specifically it was that next

1101
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 4: season twenty ten where Iowa was supposed to be really,

1102
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 4: really good, which I should have I wish my dad

1103
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 4: would have come to me and said, hey, girl, I

1104
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 4: know how this works. They're not going to be as

1105
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 4: good as everyone's telling you they're going to be. But

1106
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 4: I wasn't ready for that, And I remember it was

1107
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 4: that Arizona gain that IOWA lost in the seats where

1108
00:57:58,320 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 4: I started to be like, why are we doing the

1109
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 4: thing of oh wait, we're the best team in the world.

1110
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 4: Ricky Stanley's going to be a Hydmen winner, Like this

1111
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 4: doesn't make sense. Obviously, Ricky Standsy was never gonna be

1112
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 4: a Heisman winner, but one in my heart for sure.

1113
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 3: What what do you feel like early on, even like

1114
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 3: relatively recently into the twenty teens, what do you feel

1115
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 3: like your relationship sort of emotionally or from afar whatever.

1116
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 3: With Kirk Farence was as sort of a figurehead who's

1117
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 3: been there forever.

1118
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 4: He was like everything. You know, he was the stand

1119
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 4: up guy, the perfect person to run our program. He

1120
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 4: would never leave, like he is such a winning coach,

1121
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 4: Like I idolized him, and I think that was like

1122
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 4: all of Iowa fans kind of felt that way. And

1123
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 4: I once I got to college, going to night the

1124
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 4: University of Iowa was great for me because I was like, Wow,

1125
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 4: these I see these kids at the bars, I see

1126
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 4: these coaches getting coffee. They're pretty normal people. I can

1127
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 4: chill out, I can behave like a normal person. And

1128
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 4: it brought me down to reality, which was nice. And

1129
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 4: then once I got to college, I stopped up sort

1130
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 4: of viewing him like that because I was like, I

1131
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 4: started to see the flaws a lot more. And then

1132
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 4: specifically I graduated in twenty twenty. That twenty twenty season

1133
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 4: where Iowa had a ton of stuff happened in their

1134
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 4: program outside of football, is really when my opinion on

1135
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 4: Kirk change.

1136
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 1: As you fell more and more in love with college

1137
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 1: football and as maybe you got a better sense for

1138
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 1: what the landscape was beyond Iowa. How did that change

1139
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: your impression of what you were still in love with

1140
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: as an Iowa fan. But now with that point of

1141
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 1: comparison with oh yeah, other teams are running different kinds

1142
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: of offenses that score more points, that feel a little

1143
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 1: bit different when I'm watching at home. What was sort

1144
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 1: of your reaction amid all that?

1145
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,479
Speaker 4: What it was weird is so Iowa lifelong favorite team,

1146
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 4: a team of also like the second team I love

1147
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 4: to watch. The team that I was always into was

1148
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 4: organ So just like nice the anti Iowa. And there

1149
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 4: I think starting to watch other teams and starting to

1150
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 4: see just how better everyone else than like was than

1151
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 4: Iowa at certain aspects. I think it was like I

1152
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 4: can't even remember the day, but there was just one

1153
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 4: moment where you like, like the light bulb went off,

1154
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 4: and it was a sad, broken light bulb of like,

1155
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 4: we're never gonna win a national championship, never gonna win

1156
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 4: a national championship. And then unfortunately it took that twenty

1157
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 4: fifteen season where Iowa lost in the Big Ten Championship

1158
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 4: for me to realize We're never going to win a

1159
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 4: Big Ten championship, not even a national championship, but just

1160
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 4: a conference championship. And so it was just crazy to see,

1161
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 4: like with Iowa, comparison is one hundred percent the thief

1162
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 4: of joy. But it's like accurate where you look at

1163
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 4: this team and they are so so good except for

1164
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 4: this one thing, and they're better than everybody else that

1165
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 4: the things they're good at, but they're worse than everybody

1166
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 4: else at the other things. And so you just sit

1167
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 4: here and you watch a game, you know, with a

1168
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 4: really good team, and you're like, Iowa's defense is better

1169
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 4: than theirs. It's so much better than theirs, and like

1170
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:01,439
Speaker 4: if we were just like half a little bit better,

1171
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 4: we could be there. We could be there. There's so

1172
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 4: much like just like what if for Iowa, And it's

1173
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 4: usually just like what if we were just like slightly

1174
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 4: better at one thing?

1175
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 1: Can you describe kind of your journey from being hopelessly

1176
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 1: in love with Ricky Stansey at all things?

1177
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 2: Iowa?

1178
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 4: Still am?

1179
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 2: Still am?

1180
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: I mean aren't we all? Aren't we all? Describe that

1181
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 1: turn from being kind of in that state to you know,

1182
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 1: wherever it is you are now.

1183
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, So, like I was always just like if Iowa

1184
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 4: football one like it was it made my day. And

1185
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 4: if I have a loss, like my life was over

1186
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 4: and that probably lasted a little too long into it,

1187
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 4: like me growing older, like there was it was a

1188
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 4: little concerning. Someone should have stepped in and say, hey,

1189
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 4: you don't need to act this way over losing to Northwestern.

1190
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 4: This is incredibly embarrassing. But when I like got to school,

1191
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 4: I stopped caring as much about those things and just

1192
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 4: kind of like use the opportunity to sort of learn

1193
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 4: because I am in the journalism field, so I was

1194
01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 4: doing like reporting and stuff, not good reporting, don't worry

1195
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 4: about that. But when that twenty twenty season hit, I

1196
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 4: had already sort of just like lost sort of like

1197
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 4: the like rose colored glasses, just working within the football program.

1198
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 4: But then when you hear about these terrible things that

1199
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 4: were happening within Iowa's program, and like to sort of

1200
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 4: like show how like huge Chris Doyle was.

1201
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 1: Is.

1202
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 4: When I was a kid, my grandma sent me a

1203
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 4: Kirk Farens autographs thing so I could hang on my wall,

1204
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 4: and she also sent me a Chris Doyle one that

1205
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 4: I had hanging out on my own, like he was

1206
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 4: a huge.

1207
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 3: Figure strength coordinator autograph.

1208
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 4: Hanging on my wall one hundred percent because it was

1209
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 4: like a two sided thing. One side was Kirk and

1210
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 4: the other side was Chris Doyle, and I cut them

1211
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 4: and had them both hanging on my wall and like

1212
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 4: I was a little weirder than everybody else, but I

1213
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 4: don't want to like that. There were other people doing

1214
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 4: that as well. Like he was a huge figure. I

1215
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 4: believe he was the highest paide strength and conditioning coach

1216
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 4: in the country. He was a huge part of this

1217
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 4: IOWA program. So when you're starting to hear these things,

1218
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 4: you're like, damn, Like that's like, that's not the program

1219
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 4: ride with and like how did Kirk let that happen?

1220
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 4: And a lot of players came out and said Kirk

1221
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 4: didn't know anything about this. The committee I believe came

1222
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 4: together and said Kirk didn't know anything about this. And

1223
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 4: it's still just left like, Wow, this isn't This isn't

1224
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 4: the program I grew up with. You know, this isn't

1225
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 4: Like I don't feel, you know, the same like warmth

1226
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 4: that I did before. And so moving on to the

1227
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 4: next season, you know, IOWA next year was like COVID year.

1228
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 4: So the whole football world was off off like his axis.

1229
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 4: But I started to be a little more like aware

1230
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 4: of Kirk just because I was like, hey, like this

1231
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 4: stuff happens, you know, I'm I'm not happy with that

1232
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 4: happening in my program, and then you have the issues

1233
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 4: with Brian, his son as the offensive coordinator, and we

1234
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 4: all as a football society know how terrible that was.

1235
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 4: And it just like I continually watched him just sabotage

1236
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 4: and sabotage and sabotage the one thing that like he's

1237
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 4: in charge of the one thing that he's always been

1238
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 4: in charge of, IOWA football. And I really like I

1239
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 4: I've always love Kirk as a coach for Iowa. I'm

1240
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 4: super grateful that he coaches at Iowa. But for me,

1241
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 4: it was like two years ago where he started like

1242
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 4: snapping at reporters and I was like, what what are

1243
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 4: you doing? Like this is just wild behavior, where I

1244
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 4: was like, hey, he's Kirk has always been like that.

1245
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 4: He's not he's very collected. He's he's, you know, kind

1246
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 4: of boring Kirk. And that's just like not what he's

1247
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 4: been lately, but not in a good, fun, exciting way,

1248
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:34,959
Speaker 4: in a yelling at reporters for asking good questions type

1249
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 4: of play.

1250
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 1: How much of the blame do you think it's fair

1251
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 1: to put on Brian Farnce and by extension, his father,

1252
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:44,440
Speaker 1: for the trajectory of this offense kind of going in

1253
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 1: a negative direction.

1254
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 4: I definitely think you can put the blame on both.

1255
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 4: I think something that if I could like change the

1256
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 4: public perception, I put a little more of the blame

1257
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 4: on Kirk than I do Brian, because at the end

1258
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 4: of the day, it's Kirk's team, it's Kirk's offense, it's

1259
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 4: Kirk's everything. The one thing with Rian that like you

1260
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 4: mentioned so well, is it as a fan, it was

1261
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 4: so frustrating because our offense is terrible. Yes, all right, whatever,

1262
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 4: we can survive that the one thing you're supposed to

1263
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 4: be good at is the offensive lit This's the one

1264
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 4: thing that like you were supposed to be good at

1265
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:16,919
Speaker 4: and they were so terrible at. And I can't tell

1266
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 4: you the last time that IOWA had like an offensive

1267
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 4: line that I was like really excited about. And I

1268
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 4: think what happens with Iowa is because I was very

1269
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 4: good at getting players to the NFL drafts. It feels

1270
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 4: like every year, every other year, they're going to have

1271
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:36,440
Speaker 4: a top prospect offensive lineman, and so that is just

1272
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 4: what the attention is focused on. Like Tyler Lennardbaum is

1273
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 4: the perfect scenario for that. Ioas offensive line was not good.

1274
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:45,919
Speaker 4: He was amazing, but I was offensive line wasn't good

1275
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 4: and so but because you have an All American on

1276
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 4: the line, it kind of skews the public perception. It

1277
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 4: scus the analytics. So like I think Iowa's lines have

1278
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 4: been worse than people are thinking because you just have

1279
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 4: these like golden examples with then that kind of like

1280
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 4: drown out the rest.

1281
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 1: We mentioned Brian Farrence, we didn't mention the drive to

1282
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:09,439
Speaker 1: twenty five as a prominent Iowa fan, as a known

1283
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:13,440
Speaker 1: personality in the college football world. Lucy, can you describe

1284
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 1: what that season was like for you, what that whole

1285
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:20,000
Speaker 1: construct was like for you, living through that, tweeting through that,

1286
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 1: watching the team through.

1287
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 4: That funniest thing I've ever seen in my life. And

1288
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 4: it makes me sad that I am an Iowa fan,

1289
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 4: because if I had not been an Iowa fan, I

1290
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 4: can't tell you how much more I would have appreciated that.

1291
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 4: I remember distinctly where I was. I was making an

1292
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 4: Amazon return at Coles and I was on the Coles

1293
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 4: parking lot and I get a little notification and I

1294
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:41,920
Speaker 4: was like, you gotta look at this, and it was

1295
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 4: Gary Barta being like he's just got to score three

1296
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 4: hundred and twenty five points. That's it doesn't even matter.

1297
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 4: The bowl game doesn't matter, does it? And you're good?

1298
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:52,439
Speaker 4: And I just remember being like, this is where I die.

1299
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 4: It is this Cole's parking lot, because this is the

1300
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 4: most embarrassing moment of my life. It was just like honestly,

1301
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 4: like it's a fever dream, like it's something of like

1302
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 4: I don't think about it that often because I think

1303
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 4: I blacked it out from my memory. That was that

1304
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:07,880
Speaker 4: shit crazy?

1305
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 1: Was this the only known Iowa reality show?

1306
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:15,800
Speaker 4: Like literally it was like I wish that like Omaha

1307
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 4: or Espn ourself that had been like we got to

1308
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 4: follow this team like we have We've got to see

1309
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 4: what is going on in this lockerrow, which I would

1310
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 4: never was allowed. I have ne like it was so

1311
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 4: funny and then it got like at first it was embarrassing.

1312
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 4: Now I said, Lucy, this is just this is the Unfortunately,

1313
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 4: this is where your dad went to college. You don't

1314
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 4: get to choose that. So this is the life you

1315
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 4: have to live now. You might as well embrace it.

1316
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 4: And what was funny about it was not was seeing

1317
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 4: it never go up and like being like halfway through

1318
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 4: the CNEM like he's not gonna hit this, Like there's

1319
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 4: no way he's gonna reach this number. The only like

1320
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 4: sort of downside to him being let go was that

1321
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:56,240
Speaker 4: we're not gonna get to see this finished out. We

1322
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:59,439
Speaker 4: want to know, like exactly where it goes. Also, quick

1323
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 4: funny like tidbit that I don't think enough people talked

1324
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 4: about after Brian Farrence was let go by the interim

1325
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 4: a day who I love shout out best hill Mummy

1326
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 4: back by lover was when he stopped wearing Iowa stuff

1327
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:15,920
Speaker 4: at games. He just quit wearing Iowa stuff And it

1328
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:17,679
Speaker 4: was hilarious.

1329
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 1: What is the temperature currently of the fan base? Because

1330
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:26,760
Speaker 1: I know with many programs, like I'm a Penn State grad,

1331
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:29,760
Speaker 1: I know how it goes. You've got one contingent that

1332
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 1: is died in the wole current coach. He's been there forever.

1333
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 1: We're going down with the Kirk Farran ship. We've got others.

1334
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 1: It sounds like you may be on the other side

1335
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 1: of the coin here where you've seen what's gone on.

1336
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 1: You get to a point where enough's enough. What is

1337
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 1: that split? Like, what is the temperature of the Iowa

1338
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:50,599
Speaker 1: fan base now in twenty twenty four.

1339
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 4: That's a great question. I would say it's kind of

1340
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 4: tough to tell, because the first section of that is

1341
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 4: the you know, Kirk is never done anything wrong in

1342
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:04,519
Speaker 4: human history, and we need to We're Kirk till we die.

1343
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 4: They tend to yell at me the loudest, but I

1344
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 4: don't necessarily know if they are like the majority. It

1345
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:13,839
Speaker 4: feels like for me, we're at like a sixty forty

1346
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 4: type of deal. We're sixty percent of people. They're kind

1347
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 4: of done with it. The way this season went was

1348
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:23,320
Speaker 4: just painful to watch, and I think, what is so

1349
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:27,640
Speaker 4: what's so confusing about being an Iowa fan is I

1350
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:30,559
Speaker 4: will tell people who don't watch college football about Iowa

1351
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:33,439
Speaker 4: and they are like, you, poor girl, I can't believe

1352
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:35,680
Speaker 4: you have to go through that. This is You're just

1353
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:37,800
Speaker 4: a girl. You don't need this in your life. Thank you.

1354
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:39,600
Speaker 4: And then they'll always come back to me later and

1355
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 4: be like, I looked up your record and I think

1356
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:44,679
Speaker 4: you're lying to me. I'm like, that's not the case.

1357
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 4: And so once again, it's like a type of thing

1358
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 4: that like sort of skews the example. So you have

1359
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:51,639
Speaker 4: the forty percent who are like, we win ten games

1360
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 4: every year, we win ten games and Kirks one of those,

1361
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:56,799
Speaker 4: and then you have the rest of us who something

1362
01:09:56,840 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 4: that we love to watch. It keeps winning, but we're

1363
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:03,599
Speaker 4: not having fun. Like there was not one Iowa game

1364
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 4: this year that I watched that I enjoyed the experience.

1365
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:11,720
Speaker 4: And so I think that it's getting more and more not.

1366
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:13,720
Speaker 4: I don't want to say anti Kirk because that's not

1367
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:16,639
Speaker 4: the case. People still love him, people still like him,

1368
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:20,719
Speaker 4: but more open to going a new direction.

1369
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:24,879
Speaker 3: How much have you learned to protect your heart because

1370
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:29,920
Speaker 3: Iowa has given Iowa fans reasons for offensive hope. Right

1371
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 3: you look at well first, the most recent right now

1372
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:33,559
Speaker 3: is Tim Lester coming in. It's going to be a

1373
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 3: new more wide open offense, more downfield whatever. You've got

1374
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 3: the Ohio State game from a few years ago, Nate Stanley,

1375
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:42,520
Speaker 3: You've got the Holiday Bowl. I think that's an ism explosion,

1376
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:45,640
Speaker 3: for which, by the way, if you have an ism explosion,

1377
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 3: do see a doctor. It's ism and the Holiday Bowl.

1378
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:52,799
Speaker 3: And you know, dropping forty fifty points on quality teams.

1379
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:54,840
Speaker 3: I think there was a Maryland game on like a

1380
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:57,040
Speaker 3: Thursday night a few years ago they dropped forty or

1381
01:10:57,080 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 3: fifty points. Do you let yourself believe after moments like

1382
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:03,800
Speaker 3: that or do you protect your heart? Have you learned

1383
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:06,599
Speaker 3: as an Iowa fan that those are those are those

1384
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:07,799
Speaker 3: are not moments of reality.

1385
01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 4: I think that I don't let them get to me

1386
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:15,360
Speaker 4: because like I don't ever count Maryland games as real games.

1387
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 4: And I don't mean not to defend Maryland. I just

1388
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:20,480
Speaker 4: mean that it's like, hey, if we're playing them in October,

1389
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 4: that whatever. If playing them in September, that's a very

1390
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:27,679
Speaker 4: real game. But like the most recent incident, like instance

1391
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:32,599
Speaker 4: of that is the Holiday Bowl against usc those twenty nineteen, Right,

1392
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:36,760
Speaker 4: like that's a long time ago, and since then, like

1393
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:39,800
Speaker 4: there hasn't ever really been the moment of like, wow,

1394
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:43,679
Speaker 4: offensive explosion. If it does happen, it's usually happen happening

1395
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:45,960
Speaker 4: in a non conference game against a group of five

1396
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:49,680
Speaker 4: school So like, there's not even really anything for me

1397
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 4: to like, you know, cling on to hope. I guess

1398
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 4: if there was one instance, it's not even a game.

1399
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:57,719
Speaker 4: It was getting that that offensive lineman from Alabama to transfer.

1400
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:00,639
Speaker 4: Then that lasted like six minutes before he went back.

1401
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:04,840
Speaker 4: So like I don't even try to hope anymore. Because

1402
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 4: I don't even have anything that I could try to

1403
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:10,080
Speaker 4: cling up, like I don't I used to be so

1404
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:13,000
Speaker 4: excited to watch Iowa and now I'll just turn it

1405
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:16,720
Speaker 4: on like I don't expect it to score points, you know,

1406
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 4: like kind of as a bit I laugh when it's like, yes,

1407
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 4: six year completion, Yes, but like there's aren't There aren't

1408
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:27,639
Speaker 4: really like moments like that in the last five years

1409
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 4: outside of that that holiday bulgain that you can really

1410
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:32,599
Speaker 4: grasp onto and be like, oh yeah.

1411
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 3: Do you have the sense that either you or Iowa

1412
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:38,759
Speaker 3: fans that sort of embraced the darkness right, that like, yes,

1413
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:42,600
Speaker 3: it's ugly, but it's our ugly and there are you know,

1414
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 3: there's always going to be star players, especially on the defense,

1415
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 3: most recently Cooper Dejan But you know, reminds me sort

1416
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 3: of like with Giants fans with Barry Bonds, like everybody

1417
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 3: hates us, but this is our guy. We love them,

1418
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:56,840
Speaker 3: Like do you have moments of that in between your

1419
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 3: your hopelessness that like it's ugly but it's it's our

1420
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 3: I one.

1421
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 4: Hundred percent do, and like I know that, you know,

1422
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 4: I work in the college football media space. I am

1423
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 4: absolutely benefited from being a fan of the team that

1424
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:12,760
Speaker 4: is like historically bad at offense. It has worked out

1425
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 4: well for me, and I don't mind laughing at it,

1426
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 4: Like I think it's it's pretty funny, and honestly, if

1427
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:18,720
Speaker 4: I weren't an Iowa fan, I would think this is

1428
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:20,640
Speaker 4: the funniest thing in the whole world. I would I

1429
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:22,880
Speaker 4: would if I were not an Iowa fan, I would

1430
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:25,800
Speaker 4: commit to being an Iowa fan after just like years

1431
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 4: of Iowa football and how funny it's been. The thing

1432
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 4: is is I think there is some sort of identity

1433
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 4: of like, yeah, we're gonna own it, like we're so

1434
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:36,439
Speaker 4: you know, we're so great at defense, and that is

1435
01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:39,519
Speaker 4: a real real thing. But what I've seen more is

1436
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:43,640
Speaker 4: like Iowa fans are so angry at the jokes and

1437
01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 4: that the attention they're getting that's not in a good way.

1438
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:49,640
Speaker 4: Where you'll see stuff where someone makes a you know,

1439
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 4: write a funny article about Iowa's offense, and it's like

1440
01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 4: no one ever talks about our defense, Like I don't

1441
01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 4: know why people didn't care about us before. Like, I

1442
01:13:57,479 --> 01:14:00,080
Speaker 4: embrace it, and I think there's a small portion of

1443
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 4: the fan base that does embrace it. But I people

1444
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:06,800
Speaker 4: in Iowa care so so much about this team. There's

1445
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 4: no professional sports teams there, like this is such a

1446
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:13,120
Speaker 4: huge part of the culture in Iowa that like it's

1447
01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:15,720
Speaker 4: hard for them to see the funny side. Now that's

1448
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:19,080
Speaker 4: not everybody, that's just the portion that really loudly tweets

1449
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:23,760
Speaker 4: at me every Saturday. But I think that like the

1450
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:28,000
Speaker 4: joking phase. I don't know if everybody's caught up to that.

1451
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:32,240
Speaker 3: Do you have a low moment that you said to yourself,

1452
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:34,640
Speaker 3: I don't want to be hurt like this anymore. Do

1453
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:37,920
Speaker 3: you have that game that results that quarter? Do you

1454
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 3: have that instance that was my I.

1455
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:44,879
Speaker 4: Went to the Big Ten championship game with my family,

1456
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:48,720
Speaker 4: not this last one, okay, because I learned it was

1457
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:52,320
Speaker 4: the one two years prior where Iowa lost to Michigan.

1458
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 4: I believe thirty forty two to three.

1459
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:55,800
Speaker 3: Yeah that sounds right, Yeah all right.

1460
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:59,559
Speaker 4: And we're sitting there and like I went into that

1461
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 4: game thinking, like, if I know anything about Iowa, they

1462
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:05,360
Speaker 4: would one game they should in a year, and it's

1463
01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:08,760
Speaker 4: this one. And then thirty seconds and we're done. We

1464
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:11,560
Speaker 4: were out for the count, and I'm sitting there just

1465
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:15,559
Speaker 4: miserable as these Michigan fans are screaming at me, which,

1466
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 4: by the way, hey, when you're up twenty four, that's

1467
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 4: when you lose the right to behave that way, Okay,

1468
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:22,519
Speaker 4: so knock it off. But I'm sitting there and just

1469
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 4: rock bottom, and I'm like, why did I spend my

1470
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 4: money on this? Why am I spending my time on this?

1471
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:31,680
Speaker 4: I think the money aspect is the big one. That's

1472
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:33,080
Speaker 4: what I think you're going to start to see with

1473
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:35,920
Speaker 4: Iowa fans. It's like they sold out other season tickets

1474
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 4: last year. I don't know if they're going to be

1475
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:40,599
Speaker 4: able to sustain that going forward because fans don't want

1476
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 4: to pay to see this team, especially when looking at

1477
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 4: the Iowa women's basketball team, where they have been so

1478
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:48,920
Speaker 4: fun and so exciting and so good that people are

1479
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 4: putting their money into supporting that sport rather than football.

1480
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:56,559
Speaker 4: But that Big Ten championship game, just sitting there in

1481
01:15:56,560 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 4: Indianapolis being like what why did we do this? Like

1482
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 4: what was the point of coming on this trip? And

1483
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:05,240
Speaker 4: I've been to like one or two Iowa games since,

1484
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:08,679
Speaker 4: but everyone has been, you know, just like a family trip,

1485
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:12,920
Speaker 4: and it's yeah, you just like like, man, we're really bad.

1486
01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 3: Do you get the sense that Iowa sports because of

1487
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 3: Caitlin Clark, because of the women's basketball team sort of

1488
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 3: having a cool moment, as weird as that is to say,

1489
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:24,160
Speaker 3: Like I always been a lot of very positive things

1490
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:27,439
Speaker 3: sports wise, but I don't feel like they've been cool

1491
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 3: until Caitlin. And there's this window. Obviously the coach retires,

1492
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 3: but there's a window right now.

1493
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:36,839
Speaker 4: Yes, oh yeah, absolutely, I like get so much pride,

1494
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 4: like walking down the street and my Iowa's stuff, being

1495
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:41,479
Speaker 4: like they're gonna think I'm a Bandwagon fan, but I'm not.

1496
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 4: I've been here since stay one, and I love the

1497
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:48,799
Speaker 4: Iowa women's basketball team forever. So Iowa is so cool

1498
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Speaker 4: right now, specifically the women's basketball program, and that is

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Speaker 4: just and it's showing I was recruiting really well at

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Speaker 4: women's basketball, and I know that leaves Glueters step down,

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01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:59,679
Speaker 4: but the Jan Jensen head coach and Waiting has pretty

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01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:01,759
Speaker 4: much been the coach aboiding since the day she started

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01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:04,559
Speaker 4: in Iowa like twenty something years ago. It is so

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01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:07,680
Speaker 4: cool and like Iowans take a lot of pride in that,

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01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 4: and so that's where we're kind of putting all our

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01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:12,720
Speaker 4: time and money and energy and it's awesome. Like I

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01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:15,759
Speaker 4: no one has ever wanted to talk to me about

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01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:19,200
Speaker 4: IOWA anything until this year. It's been really sick.

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01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 1: How hopeful are you that they've fixed this now or

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01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:26,599
Speaker 1: that they're on the road to fixing it with a

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01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:31,200
Speaker 1: new coordinator, a renewed focus on trying to reboot the offense,

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01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:36,000
Speaker 1: Kirk having to fire essentially fire his son and bring

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Speaker 1: somebody new in. How optimistic are you at this point

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01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:41,840
Speaker 1: that they have righted the ship.

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Speaker 4: I'm not optimistic. I think that like the way that

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01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:54,400
Speaker 4: Brian's firing happened was so against Kirk's will, and it

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01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:57,200
Speaker 4: was in a way that obviously pissed him off. Like

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01:17:57,240 --> 01:18:02,000
Speaker 4: there's no way about it that I just I think that,

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01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:05,080
Speaker 4: like we're going to look back at the last few

1520
01:18:05,160 --> 01:18:08,080
Speaker 4: years of IOWA offense and be like, wow, Brian Farrence

1521
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:11,280
Speaker 4: was bad. I think it's pretty easy to do that.

1522
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:13,519
Speaker 4: But I think we're mainly going to look back and

1523
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:16,000
Speaker 4: be like, we were probably pointing the finger at the

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01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 4: wrong like member of the Farrence family. Like, I don't

1525
01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:23,760
Speaker 4: really see Iowa's offense improving that much from moving from

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01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:25,920
Speaker 4: Brian Farrence to Tim Lester, because at the end of

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01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:28,599
Speaker 4: the day, it's still Kirk's program, and I know at

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01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:31,559
Speaker 4: least I wasn't exciting about that. Higher it seemed like

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01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:34,600
Speaker 4: pretty like flatly across the board, Iowa fance, we're not

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01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:38,640
Speaker 4: happy with that decision, and Kirk is going to do

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01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:42,680
Speaker 4: things Kirk's way, which, like I understand that in the

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Speaker 4: sense that Iowa does win about ten games every year,

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Speaker 4: but at least for me with not only okay, we're

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01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 4: bringing in a new coordinator and Kirk Farretts is who

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01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:53,840
Speaker 4: Kirk Ferretts is, Iowa's scheduled gets so much. You don't

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01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:57,639
Speaker 4: get the benefit of playing Illinois, Minnesota and Northwestern every

1537
01:18:57,720 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 4: year anymore. Like that's gone. So now you're subbing in

1538
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 4: Illinois for word it best of luck, Like that's just

1539
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:08,200
Speaker 4: not gonna that's not going to go your way. And

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01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:11,920
Speaker 4: so I see things getting tougher for Iowa, especially in

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01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:14,759
Speaker 4: this NIL day and age where I don't think Iowa

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01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:18,320
Speaker 4: has an advantage and Iowa's like nil director has come

1543
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:21,679
Speaker 4: out and then like yeah, we're not, nobody's given us money.

1544
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 4: So I think it's going to get tougher for Iowa.

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01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:27,360
Speaker 4: And I think that, like I still think that we're

1546
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:29,840
Speaker 4: going to look back and understand that this was all

1547
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 4: Kirk's call. You know, Kirk had always been in George

1548
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 4: and Brian was bad at his job. But I think

1549
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:38,200
Speaker 4: that Kirk is kind of stubborn in this aspect, So

1550
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:40,479
Speaker 4: I don't think things are going to get better. I

1551
01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 4: don't even need to look at IOWA schedule right now

1552
01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:44,639
Speaker 4: to tell you my predictive record for them eight and four.

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01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 3: Lucy, thank you so much for your time, and by

1554
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:50,479
Speaker 3: all means, tell everybody where they can find your work.

1555
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:53,439
Speaker 4: So if you are a pro Kirk Farin's Iowa fan,

1556
01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:54,880
Speaker 4: I don't really do much. You don't have to worry

1557
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:57,680
Speaker 4: about following me or my work or let me know

1558
01:19:57,720 --> 01:19:59,599
Speaker 4: what you're saying. You really it's cool. I'm not gonna

1559
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:01,680
Speaker 4: see it. I don't even bother with it. If you

1560
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:06,480
Speaker 4: aren't those things, you can follow me at Lucy Underscore

1561
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 4: Rodin that's ROHDN and then I do college football stuff

1562
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:13,479
Speaker 4: for the Dan Levatar Shoe on the Draftkanks Network.

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01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:16,960
Speaker 1: I have one final question and we'll leave you with this.

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01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:23,040
Speaker 1: What is your definition for success in twenty twenty four

1565
01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:23,559
Speaker 1: as a fan?

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01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 2: Oh?

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01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:27,400
Speaker 1: As you watch IOWA in twenty twenty four right New

1568
01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:31,439
Speaker 1: World Order eighteen team Big ten, no West Conference anymore.

1569
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:36,519
Speaker 1: So much has changed, including Iowa's offensive coordinator. What needs

1570
01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:38,519
Speaker 1: to happen for you to come out of this season

1571
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:42,120
Speaker 1: feeling like, okay, this is this is okay, We're good

1572
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:42,960
Speaker 1: with where we're headed.

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01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:47,760
Speaker 4: All right, that's a good question. I don't even I

1574
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 4: expect eight and four and that doesn't so that doesn't

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01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:52,400
Speaker 4: mean anything. That's the baseline. It's eight and four every year,

1576
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 4: give give and take a little bit. I think the

1577
01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:59,040
Speaker 4: way I would view success is Ioways had this like

1578
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:02,080
Speaker 4: streak that's ended as of late, Like I don't think

1579
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:03,559
Speaker 4: it's been around for a couple of years where I

1580
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:06,320
Speaker 4: would always beat one team they shouldn't every year, and

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01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:09,799
Speaker 4: I feel like that hasn't happened recently. So if Iowa

1582
01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 4: goes back to beating one team they shouldn't and scores

1583
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:15,960
Speaker 4: Brian needed twenty five points a game, let's just go

1584
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:18,240
Speaker 4: twenty five points again. Let's bring three twenty five.

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01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:22,679
Speaker 3: Back and that's week nine, three twenty five.

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01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:23,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:26,439
Speaker 3: I would say it's probably the moment that you hit

1588
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:29,360
Speaker 3: place order on a website that is selling an Iowa

1589
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:33,479
Speaker 3: sweatshirt that says we had an average offense and you

1590
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:35,680
Speaker 3: get to wear that through the holidays.

1591
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:37,799
Speaker 4: Oh, I prayed for an average offense.

1592
01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:39,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly that average.

1593
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:41,439
Speaker 4: I'd be slily below average.

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01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:42,559
Speaker 2: We're below average.

1595
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:43,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, be awesome.

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01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:47,519
Speaker 3: Bunch of exclamation points there on the bottom. That'd be great. Lucy,

1597
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:49,639
Speaker 3: thanks again for your time. That was wonderful.

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01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:54,120
Speaker 1: Thank y'all, big thanks to Lucy Rodin for sharing some

1599
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:57,719
Speaker 1: of her insights. So good talking about her IOWA fandom.

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01:21:58,040 --> 01:22:00,519
Speaker 1: To hear Lucy talk about what it was like to

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01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:05,800
Speaker 1: go through in a Cools parking lot, what it was

1602
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:08,800
Speaker 1: like to live through the birth of the Drive to

1603
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:12,839
Speaker 1: three twenty five, how her impression of the IOWA program

1604
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 1: has changed over time, and what it feels like to

1605
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 1: just be in that community. I think that's pretty telling.

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01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think everybody listening to the show, everybody

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01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:24,840
Speaker 3: who roots for a college football team, has gotten to

1608
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 3: a certain point with their own team where they do

1609
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:30,759
Speaker 3: feel that numbness that Lucy describes, like you just don't

1610
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:34,120
Speaker 3: expect anything, and you don't allow yourself to feel hope,

1611
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:38,240
Speaker 3: right that you don't believe that anything worthwhile is going

1612
01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:41,920
Speaker 3: to change anytime soon, and you're just sort of resigned

1613
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:45,000
Speaker 3: to the fact that a third and four is all

1614
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:48,160
Speaker 3: of a sudden pretty impossible sounding. And we've all been there, right.

1615
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:52,479
Speaker 3: There's been specific games, there have been specific seasons, coaches,

1616
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:56,559
Speaker 3: offensive coordinators, defensive coordinators. But I think the stretch of

1617
01:22:56,720 --> 01:23:02,240
Speaker 3: time right is the unique lant to what we've seen

1618
01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 3: recently with Iowa football, and hopefully from like a ten

1619
01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:10,000
Speaker 3: thousand foot view, somebody is going to realize, maybe it's

1620
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:12,400
Speaker 3: this coming season, Maybe it's the next coach, maybe it's

1621
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:15,439
Speaker 3: the next offensive coordinator. Somebody is going to realize it's

1622
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:19,559
Speaker 3: much easier to run a marathon without wearing the astronaut suit. Right,

1623
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:21,559
Speaker 3: that you don't have to do it. It doesn't have to

1624
01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:23,839
Speaker 3: be like this. There are steps that can be taken

1625
01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:26,680
Speaker 3: to rethink the whole operation and strategy.

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01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:29,960
Speaker 1: I think it's going to get better. I can't possibly

1627
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:34,000
Speaker 1: see how it gets worse. Also famous last words. Yes,

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01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:37,479
Speaker 1: I like what Tim Lester has said this offseason. Seems

1629
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:40,120
Speaker 1: like he's talking a lot of sense, and that much

1630
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:42,880
Speaker 1: of what they're going to do, to Scott's point, is

1631
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:45,400
Speaker 1: not any foreign concept. They're not going air raid with

1632
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:48,240
Speaker 1: the Iowa offense. They're just going to try and modernize

1633
01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 1: it a little bit. We will see if kirk ference

1634
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:54,000
Speaker 1: is willing to move away from what worked for him

1635
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:57,280
Speaker 1: in the past, what has not been working for him

1636
01:23:57,320 --> 01:24:00,839
Speaker 1: in the present, towards something run by Tim Lay, provided

1637
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:04,160
Speaker 1: he's got agency, provided he's got the power to call

1638
01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:07,320
Speaker 1: something a little bit more with the times. That to me,

1639
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 1: will be the big question to follow. But I'm going

1640
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:12,160
Speaker 1: to remain optimistic because I was got a decent schedule

1641
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:14,439
Speaker 1: this year, as we talked about in our previews, I

1642
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:16,800
Speaker 1: was always got a good defense. He's just sort of

1643
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 1: what they do. Getting the offense to like eightieth best

1644
01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:23,040
Speaker 1: in the country would be a huge step forward. They

1645
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:25,479
Speaker 1: would probably end up winning nine or ten games in

1646
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:26,799
Speaker 1: that instance. So we'll see.

1647
01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:28,920
Speaker 3: Can I give you an update that may or may

1648
01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:32,960
Speaker 3: not have any bearing on what happens this fall, please,

1649
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:35,639
Speaker 3: because I think it's important to note that this show

1650
01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:38,720
Speaker 3: is coming out in mid August of twenty twenty four,

1651
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:41,679
Speaker 3: and we spoke with Scott in like early part of summer,

1652
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 3: late part of spring. Yes, yeah, I quote from August eleventh,

1653
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:50,320
Speaker 3: QB Cade McNamara's unofficial stats in Iowa's scrimmage yesterday. Did

1654
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:50,720
Speaker 3: you see this?

1655
01:24:51,160 --> 01:24:52,080
Speaker 1: It was really bad?

1656
01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:58,760
Speaker 3: Okay, So big asterisk, big big disclaimer. Scrimmage numbers are

1657
01:24:58,760 --> 01:25:02,400
Speaker 3: not necessarily indicative of quality or performance or what the

1658
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:04,320
Speaker 3: season has in store, because you might be asked to

1659
01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:07,520
Speaker 3: do something, you might be taking chances. Obviously, Cad McNamara

1660
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:10,040
Speaker 3: is never going to be throwing against the Iowa defense

1661
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:13,639
Speaker 3: during the season in games eight of twenty four, twenty

1662
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:16,880
Speaker 3: yards zero point eight yards per attempt, one interception that

1663
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:21,200
Speaker 3: was a pick six. So maybe he's not the starter.

1664
01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:23,600
Speaker 3: Maybe there's a full blown quarterback competition.

1665
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:25,639
Speaker 1: And then did you see when they asked about, hey,

1666
01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:29,800
Speaker 1: is this typical for what you're seeing in practice? And

1667
01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:31,600
Speaker 1: Kirk Farrence was like, yeah, pretty.

1668
01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:38,440
Speaker 5: Much, just plain not a ringing endorsement for Cad McNamara

1669
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:43,000
Speaker 5: and his recovery efforts after coming back from a torn acl.

1670
01:25:43,360 --> 01:25:46,719
Speaker 3: So maybe we pre booked Scott and Lucy for next

1671
01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:49,440
Speaker 3: year and it's just an annual expiation.

1672
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:52,599
Speaker 1: We might have to look. It was a pleasure speaking

1673
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:55,080
Speaker 1: with both of them. We're very grateful for their time.

1674
01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:58,559
Speaker 1: Gave us great insight into where Iowa was, where they are,

1675
01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:01,880
Speaker 1: and in some cases where they might be headed. Hit follow,

1676
01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:03,720
Speaker 1: hit subscribe. If you're new here, we'd love to have

1677
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:06,240
Speaker 1: you with us all season long, as we go through

1678
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:09,559
Speaker 1: and unpack the twenty twenty four college football season. I

1679
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:11,240
Speaker 1: feel like I'm a little bit smarter with ile. I

1680
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:13,960
Speaker 1: feel like I'm a little bit more informed. We will

1681
01:26:13,960 --> 01:26:16,360
Speaker 1: see where things go on twenty twenty four, Dan Rubinstein.

1682
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:20,520
Speaker 1: We most certainly will for that guy over there, Dan Rubinstein,

1683
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:24,080
Speaker 1: for myself, Tie Hildebrand, thanks for downloading, for supporting, for

1684
01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:26,599
Speaker 1: listening to our content. We'll talk to y'allso stay solid.

1685
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Speaker 3: Peace,