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Speaker 1: Forward Thinking Taylor, everyone, and welcome to Forward Thinking, the
Speaker 1: podcast that looks at the future and says earth below us, drifting, falling, floating, weightless,
Speaker 1: coming home. I'm Lauren vocal Bum. I'm Joe McCormick. We
Speaker 1: got some approval from Joe on that one. You know,
Speaker 1: usually I just scowl at you while you say song lyric. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you didn't like the last one at all. But today
Speaker 1: we're going to talk a little bit more about tractor beams.
Speaker 1: That's what we discussed in our last episode, but we
Speaker 1: wanted to get a little more wacky and crazy and
Speaker 1: talk about the science fiction side of tractor beams. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because in case none of you could tell, we are
Speaker 1: all kind of fans of science fiction. Yeah, we're nerds.
Speaker 1: I'm not Joe watch Joe watches a lot of science fiction,
Speaker 1: but he does so begrudgingly, with a scowl upon his
Speaker 1: face and his fist clenched and furious anger. Well, I
Speaker 1: hate pleasure and us. Yeah, that's that would be why.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, no, Whereas I'm actually the son of a
Speaker 1: science fiction author, so I grew up around science fiction
Speaker 1: all my life, so it was bound to seep in
Speaker 1: one way or the other. I did not rebel against
Speaker 1: my science fiction upbringing, so it is definitely part of
Speaker 1: my personality. So let's let's talk about a tractor beams. Guys,
Speaker 1: we can see it come through and your your captain's
Speaker 1: chair PERSONA. Yeah, where I I before every podcast I
Speaker 1: leaned back and say, engage bones. Yeah, well, now we're
Speaker 1: mixing up our our captain. You got Kirk on my picard? Alright,
Speaker 1: where does this come from? Where does that concept come? Possibly?
Speaker 1: The very first reference to tractor beams in fiction was
Speaker 1: from something called The Skylark of Space. WHOA, that sounds wonderful.
Speaker 1: It was a space drama by A. E. Smith, originally
Speaker 1: serialized in and later published as a novel in nine Wow.
Speaker 1: So back in the twenties we had this concept. So,
Speaker 1: as far as you know, was the tractor beams some
Speaker 1: thing that was designed to immobilize or bring forth something
Speaker 1: or was it just the first mention of a tractor beam?
Speaker 1: I cannot personally speak to that, as I have not
Speaker 1: read the story, but nor have you watched the serial?
Speaker 1: What the watched the serial? Yes? Never heard the serial
Speaker 1: was it radio or was it movie? It was it
Speaker 1: was magazine, magazine, cereale. I'm thinking serialized because I'm akin
Speaker 1: of the old serialized, as in like Charles Dickens serialized. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so even more so, not like The Shadow. I was
Speaker 1: getting a little too science fiction before you were that.
Speaker 1: There were no Theramans that I know of involved in
Speaker 1: this particular writing. That would be another great podcast as Theremans.
Speaker 1: But okay, so wait a minute, what was that year?
Speaker 1: How early did we have tractor beams in fiction? That's
Speaker 1: earlier than I would have thought, But without having read
Speaker 1: the serial, obviously, we can't be sure that the tractor
Speaker 1: beam and that is the same thing we think of
Speaker 1: in science fiction today. Probably was just seems like it's
Speaker 1: the kind of concept that would carry over into future
Speaker 1: incarnations in science fiction. Uh so, yeah, this this whole
Speaker 1: notion of I'm in space. I've got this big old
Speaker 1: spacecraft that I'm in. Uh, there's something coming at me
Speaker 1: that I want to move out of the way and
Speaker 1: not necessarily blow up, or I want to bring it
Speaker 1: into my spacecraft. How do I do that? I capture
Speaker 1: it with energy and then I pull it in using
Speaker 1: my tractor beam, which is really just shorthand for magical
Speaker 1: thing that makes stuff behave the way I wanted to.
Speaker 1: Did you realize while you were talking there, you almost
Speaker 1: for a second had a Scotti accent? Did I? Yeah,
Speaker 1: almost for a second, capture, I didn't. That was horrible.
Speaker 1: I can't do a Scotty accents. I'm not even gonna try. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: who was it that operated the Star Trek. Let's not
Speaker 1: get into Star Trek Star Trek. We can talk about
Speaker 1: Star Wars, Star Wars. Yeah, you've got some info on
Speaker 1: Star Wars and tractor beams, right, Well, Star Wars was
Speaker 1: the first place I ever heard about a tractor beaming.
Speaker 1: So you're talking about Star Wars episode for a New Hope, right,
Speaker 1: and that was originally called Star Wars. I love how yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the actual first one. Um. I loved how that they
Speaker 1: don't really explain what it is, right, you just you
Speaker 1: know it's something that the Millennium Falcon gets trapped caught
Speaker 1: an attractor beam. They're pulling us in. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: It's it's the Death Star that has the Millennium Falcon
Speaker 1: in attractor beam. So, yeah, they arrived, that's no moon
Speaker 1: and then they get sucked into the docking bay. Right, Um,
Speaker 1: turns out that the size of the death Star that
Speaker 1: you see uh sucking in the Millennium Falcon and actually
Speaker 1: before that, I think a star destroyer sucks in Princess
Speaker 1: Leia's ship too, doesn't it. Well, you certainly see the
Speaker 1: star destroyer. Take the the Karelian freighter that is, actually
Speaker 1: it's not a fraighter. It's a correl. It's a CORRELLI
Speaker 1: blockade runner. Yeah, actually I think I think they call
Speaker 1: it a corvette in that it's a corvette. It is
Speaker 1: a blockade runner. They take that into the docking bay,
Speaker 1: but they don't actually say that it was caught in
Speaker 1: a tractor beam. I don't think. Maybe maybe see three
Speaker 1: p O does remember. Well, in any case, you're you'd
Speaker 1: later be led to assume that, right, right, because obviously
Speaker 1: I doubt that the ship just well, I'm going to
Speaker 1: go park up in this other ship here or that
Speaker 1: or the other ship is. We have exactly matched the
Speaker 1: trajectory and and they had a really bad pilot. You know,
Speaker 1: we were able to we were able to just scoop
Speaker 1: it up like it was a net for a fish
Speaker 1: accidentally parallel parking in space getting away from Okay, tractor beams. Um,
Speaker 1: well I have I was like, I wonder how, uh
Speaker 1: Star Wars fan because obviously the movie's never explained. I
Speaker 1: wonder how Star Wars fans have explained how the tractor
Speaker 1: beams work, because there's a lot of filling out of
Speaker 1: the technical especially through through the non canon media of
Speaker 1: all of the video games. Yeah, so everything in Star
Speaker 1: Wars essentially gets explained away in the extended universe, not
Speaker 1: just tractor beams, everything from hyperspace to lightsabers to even
Speaker 1: how the force works, which we got some more in
Speaker 1: formation on an episode one with the whole medic Gloreans thing,
Speaker 1: but uh uh yeah, we don't need to go into that, Okay, right, Um,
Speaker 1: I have here a selection of crowdsourced wisdom from ye
Speaker 1: old Wikipedia, Wikipedia, the Star Wars themed wiki. Okay, and
Speaker 1: this is the from their article on tractor beams. I'm
Speaker 1: going to read. So in the Star Wars universe, a
Speaker 1: tractor beam was a projected force field us by spaceports,
Speaker 1: planetary bases, space stations, and starships to effectively grasp and
Speaker 1: guide vessels to a safe designated landing. They could also
Speaker 1: be used to forcibly capture enemy ships. The first death
Speaker 1: Star was equipped with seven hundred and sixty eight tractor
Speaker 1: beam generators, enabling it to constrain ships such as the
Speaker 1: Millennium Falcon with ease. That's from the overview, and I'm
Speaker 1: going to read the uh technical description section. Please do okay.
Speaker 1: Technical description A human being wrote this, h A tractor
Speaker 1: beam relied on the inertia of the craft it is
Speaker 1: based upon, as compared to the craft being affected. Now,
Speaker 1: I think that's interesting. I'm gonna come back to that um.
Speaker 1: Ships with high inner ship typically meaning high mass, could
Speaker 1: affect smaller vessels with little strain on their own propulsion.
Speaker 1: Capital ships could tract or small freighters, for example, But
Speaker 1: if a freighter attempted to tract or a capital ship,
Speaker 1: it would actually affect the smaller freighter's trajectory. For two
Speaker 1: ships of roughly equal size, the attraction was equal, but
Speaker 1: could be affected by the relative speeds of the two vessels.
Speaker 1: So you're talking about mass and speed, You're really talking
Speaker 1: about momentum here. Yeah, And so if the momentum of
Speaker 1: one body is greater than the other, than the tractor
Speaker 1: beam would be would affect the smaller the less massive,
Speaker 1: less fast of the two objects more than the other one.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of it's kind of talking almost about
Speaker 1: like about like a controlled orbit effect almost. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because I mean, like now it makes sense because you've
Speaker 1: got the Death Star. You've got the which has in
Speaker 1: an mismass to the point where it could be mistaken
Speaker 1: for a moon. Uh, and then you have the Millennium Falcon,
Speaker 1: which was a freighter ship and obviously much smaller. So
Speaker 1: even though the Millennium Falcon might be able to move
Speaker 1: through space far faster than the Death Star could, I
Speaker 1: don't know, never saw the Death Stars specs on how
Speaker 1: fast it can make the kessel run. Well, we know
Speaker 1: the Death Star moved around pretty fast because it traveled
Speaker 1: between systems, right, It's like, well we got to go
Speaker 1: to this other system to blow up the hyper drive
Speaker 1: hyperspace hyperspace. Yeah probably. Yeah, But even so you're you're
Speaker 1: still you know, you still don't know how fast it
Speaker 1: can go compared to the Millenium Falcon, which as the
Speaker 1: junka junk in the galaxy. I mean that's what they've
Speaker 1: established that this cannon. I somewhat appreciate this technical description
Speaker 1: from Wooki pedia, because honestly, I had never thought before
Speaker 1: about how the tractor beam as depicted in fiction would
Speaker 1: affect the ship that was putting out the beam, right, right,
Speaker 1: But that actually it makes sense to me now, especially
Speaker 1: if we imagine it as something like gravity, right, because
Speaker 1: gravity is a force that we believe to be exerted
Speaker 1: by anything that has mass um And so you know,
Speaker 1: when you're at uh, you know, five thousand feet and
Speaker 1: you're falling towards the Earth, you're getting attracted to the
Speaker 1: earth gravity, but the Earth is also getting attracted to
Speaker 1: your gravity. Right, You're both exerting a force on each other.
Speaker 1: It's just that you're so much smaller it doesn't really
Speaker 1: matter to the Earth. And the same thing is going
Speaker 1: on here with the millennium falcon in the Death Star. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the gravity is the relationship with gravity is between two bodies, uh,
Speaker 1: their masses and the distance between them, right. So that's
Speaker 1: basically what you have to be concerned with with gravity.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that this kind of makes sense
Speaker 1: in a in a roundabout way. I mean, obviously they
Speaker 1: still don't explain how the force field is actually generating
Speaker 1: right right there. Yeah, they're talking about some kind of
Speaker 1: mechanism that's creating a focus for this. Yeah, and so,
Speaker 1: uh that's kind of the magical placeholder, right. It's and
Speaker 1: to be fair, Star Wars is more magic. It's more
Speaker 1: fantasy than science fiction. It's it's it's fantasy that's set
Speaker 1: in outer space, but it's really more I know a
Speaker 1: lot of science fiction fans who would argue that that
Speaker 1: Star Wars is really a fantasy film and it doesn't
Speaker 1: you know, they're they're helped by the fact that George
Speaker 1: Lucas himself has referred to it in very uh, fantasy
Speaker 1: oriented ways, like calling a lightsaber magic sword, um, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of all that's that's that's pretty much a fantasy trope.
Speaker 1: So I agree with that interpretation. I mean, the technology
Speaker 1: and Star Wars is more like magic than science, right.
Speaker 1: But I I also I appreciate this filling out because
Speaker 1: I think this is actually a pretty clever qualification to
Speaker 1: add to the technical view of how attractive being would work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think Lucas apologists are some of the most intelligent
Speaker 1: people when it comes to justifying very weird decisions that
Speaker 1: Lucas made when it comes to the Star Wars franchise.
Speaker 1: That was that was harsh but probably true. Um, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's also I'm a huge Star Wars fan. I
Speaker 1: do this mainly because I like to I like to
Speaker 1: ruffle feathers. He kids because he cares. Um uh well. Also,
Speaker 1: also it's interesting because in in the Star Wars universe,
Speaker 1: you don't see a physical like a physical a. You
Speaker 1: don't see a beam of light reaching out of the
Speaker 1: ship the way that he didn't say star trek right, right,
Speaker 1: And so this might be a good time to just
Speaker 1: do a quick reminder on what we talked about in
Speaker 1: our last podcast, which is that so we actually have
Speaker 1: made some tractor beam like uh set ups in a
Speaker 1: few lab conditions, but they all involve light, don't They
Speaker 1: involve light, and they involve objects that are on the
Speaker 1: nano or micro scale, so far far smaller than what
Speaker 1: you would see in one of these movies. Yeah. And also,
Speaker 1: as we discussed in the last podcast, if you were
Speaker 1: to scale up one of these laser tractor beams, it
Speaker 1: would almost certainly destroy the target. Right you blow me right? Um,
Speaker 1: maybe that's it. Maybe the Death Star was just malfunctioning,
Speaker 1: like it was trying to give that's what That's what
Speaker 1: Lauren said in the last podcast, and I did point
Speaker 1: out that Grandmoth Tarkan was very clear as to what
Speaker 1: the Death Star was meant to do. I didn't think
Speaker 1: that he was a man to be taken lightly. He
Speaker 1: was not someone who would just like j K. He
Speaker 1: was just Josh and us. Yeah, sure, well, all right,
Speaker 1: looked so sweet and talked. We talked about Star Wars
Speaker 1: and the fact that that is more or less a fantasy.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about something that's at least usually lumped more
Speaker 1: into the category of science fiction one above in geek
Speaker 1: here than Star Wars. Well, that's that's it's a tough
Speaker 1: argument to make. But we're talking Star Trek now. So, Lauren,
Speaker 1: I know you had some info on Star Trek in
Speaker 1: its first use of the term tractor beam. Yeah. The
Speaker 1: first time that Star Trek used it was in the
Speaker 1: original series and in episode twenty four space Seed. Okay,
Speaker 1: so space Seed, and this is in nineteen sixty seven.
Speaker 1: So space Seed is the episode where they introduced the
Speaker 1: character of Khan, who is one of several former warriors
Speaker 1: turned convicts who had been put into cryogenic stasis and
Speaker 1: then shot into space. Wouldn't he like some evil eugenics
Speaker 1: experiment or something. The idea was that there it was
Speaker 1: in the Eugenics Wars, and they created this this sort
Speaker 1: of genetically modified race of superior human beings to act
Speaker 1: as warriors, and then the warriors did their jobs so
Speaker 1: well as to go on to attempt to conquer large
Speaker 1: portions of Earth. So the the everyone else said, you know,
Speaker 1: this was a great idea for its time, but that
Speaker 1: time has passed, So let's zap them into sleep and
Speaker 1: then push them off into space, which is what they did,
Speaker 1: and so they put them in a ship called the
Speaker 1: Botany Bay. That's the kind of thing that could only
Speaker 1: happen in the setup for a later episode. Also why
Speaker 1: it was also never hear from them again. It was
Speaker 1: also supposed to take place in the nineties, and I
Speaker 1: think you could easily imagine in the nineties we'd say,
Speaker 1: let's just shoot him into space. Um so, uh spoiler
Speaker 1: alert that did not actually happen in the nineties for
Speaker 1: those of you who aren't paying attention anyway, So they
Speaker 1: the Botany Bay gets shot off into space. The Enterprise
Speaker 1: comes across the Botany Bay spacecraft and then decides to
Speaker 1: check it out. I mean, they're They're all about exploration
Speaker 1: and finding out what is this mysterious spacecraft that's out here.
Speaker 1: Do they use a tractor beam? They do. They do
Speaker 1: use the tractor beam in orders for them to be
Speaker 1: able to get access to the ship and then find
Speaker 1: out what it is that's aborted. And UH that's when
Speaker 1: they find out that it's Cohn and his people. And
Speaker 1: then Con attempts to take over the Enterprise, UH quite
Speaker 1: effectively at first, but he's not very good at three
Speaker 1: dimensional thinking, as his later uh explored in the fantastic
Speaker 1: movie Star Trek to the wrath of Cohn, and so
Speaker 1: ultimately Kirk and his crew end up stranding Con on
Speaker 1: Set Alpha five, which was originally a lush planet filled
Speaker 1: with life, but that changed dramatically between the the the
Speaker 1: time of Space Seed and Star Trek two. Maybe con
Speaker 1: ruined everything. Um really, really it was the six that
Speaker 1: ruined everything. But those horrible ear monsters that those were
Speaker 1: not really prevalent until Star Trek two. This is all
Speaker 1: explained tractor beams. The way the way that Star Trek
Speaker 1: explains tractor beams is that they are graviton force beams.
Speaker 1: Interesting gravitons of course, being the hypothetical particle that um
Speaker 1: that explains why gravity works mathematically? Now, So am I
Speaker 1: right in thinking that? At least I want to say
Speaker 1: that in Star Trek the episodes I've watched, a tractor
Speaker 1: beam was represented by a beam of visible light like
Speaker 1: blue blue, glowy light. Or is odd when you think
Speaker 1: that it's gravitons, which are obviously not visible because we
Speaker 1: haven't seen them. Maybe maybe they're maybe they reverse the
Speaker 1: polarity of Yeah, they've got that. I don't know why
Speaker 1: they don't just build a switch on the console that
Speaker 1: just says reverse the polarity, because that was always the
Speaker 1: number one thing they need to do, and especially the
Speaker 1: board were involved. I wonder what happens if you rotate
Speaker 1: the polarity nine degrees instead of just reversing it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're just getting too Maybe it would only work halfway then,
Speaker 1: But yeah, it is odd that there was a visible
Speaker 1: um effect there because gravitons are not visible. If they
Speaker 1: were visible, we would know if they actually exist instead
Speaker 1: of just hypothetically exist now like like you were saying, Lauren,
Speaker 1: they hypothetically exist in the sense that when you start
Speaker 1: working out the math for the way gravity behaves then
Speaker 1: it's kind of again like a mathematic placeholder as opposed
Speaker 1: to you know this, we need to have something here
Speaker 1: to explain how we fix this, this problem that we
Speaker 1: would face if we were actually in this situation. Mathematicians, physicists, scientists,
Speaker 1: they actually do use placeholders to represent a an unknown
Speaker 1: quantity that must behave a certain way in order for
Speaker 1: stuff to behave the way we understand it to behave.
Speaker 1: Keeping in mind that we may are understanding maybe faulty,
Speaker 1: so it may turn out that there isn't any sort
Speaker 1: of such thing as a graviton, and maybe that we
Speaker 1: just fundamentally misunderstand the nature of gravity. But based upon
Speaker 1: our understanding, this sort of hypothetical particle would be the
Speaker 1: the agent through which gravity is is working right, right, Well,
Speaker 1: we we have detected gravitational waves, which are ripples in
Speaker 1: space time moving moving at the speed of light that
Speaker 1: are caused by objects, especially objects of great mass and
Speaker 1: um and so yeah, so, so gravitons are the kind
Speaker 1: of logical Yeah, it's kind of like what we would
Speaker 1: think of as photons with light. Right, these are the
Speaker 1: fundamental particle that would be predicted. It's predicted by by
Speaker 1: Einstein's area relativity. So so if we are able to
Speaker 1: ever actually detect and furthermore manipulate these, then something like
Speaker 1: a graviton based tractor beam could be completely possible. Here's
Speaker 1: something interesting that I thought of just based on what
Speaker 1: you said. So if you did have a graviton based
Speaker 1: tractor beam, there would be some limitations on what speed
Speaker 1: it could act, right, Um, sure we don't. We never
Speaker 1: get a very good sense or at least I don't.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll will disagree from the movies and other sci
Speaker 1: fi uh of exactly what the range of a tractor
Speaker 1: beam is. And it's kind of whatever it needs to be.
Speaker 1: If if the ship needs to get away, then it
Speaker 1: gets away, and if it doesn't then right, so you've
Speaker 1: got to say the Millennium falcon is as far away
Speaker 1: from the Death Star as we are from Mars or
Speaker 1: something like that. Right, If the action of a tractor
Speaker 1: beam moves at the speed of light, it might take
Speaker 1: what fourteen minutes for the beam to reach the falcon
Speaker 1: and start pulling it, actually, depending upon where Earth is
Speaker 1: and its orbit and where more hypothetical. So so, so
Speaker 1: you're talking about the distance the same distance that would
Speaker 1: have been between Earth and Mars when the curiosity rover land.
Speaker 1: All right, that's where that number comes from, right, because
Speaker 1: that changes. Um, yeah, yeah, exactly. A gravity beam would
Speaker 1: only behave as fast as the I guess we would
Speaker 1: probably gate at the speed of light. Wouldn't be instantaneous. Now,
Speaker 1: and most of these cases, if the and what it
Speaker 1: weakend as it went on. Also, that's another good question. Now,
Speaker 1: if it didn't weaken, then would that just mean that
Speaker 1: you had to pour increasing amounts of energy into the
Speaker 1: beam in order for it to have a strong enough effect.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, how do you manipulate the gravity in
Speaker 1: the first place so that you can create more gravity
Speaker 1: at wherever the tractor beam is coming out from without
Speaker 1: crushing everything that's inside the ship? Like how do you
Speaker 1: direct the gravity so it's actually pulling another object toward it,
Speaker 1: not just increasing the gravity everywhere within that area so
Speaker 1: that you know, you suddenly have vulcan paste inside the enterprise.
Speaker 1: Although the actual research that was done in a lot
Speaker 1: of it, interestingly was done in the nineteen sixties, just
Speaker 1: a couple of years before The Star Trek the original
Speaker 1: series was being filmed. UM was involving the vibration of
Speaker 1: piezoelectric crystals to to detect and um attempt to manipulate
Speaker 1: these particles. Well, that's interesting, though, I mean, I'm very
Speaker 1: I'm really curious, Like I wish this is one of
Speaker 1: those moments where I wish I could jump into the future,
Speaker 1: like a hundred and fifty years, just to see if
Speaker 1: we ever figured out this graviton thing and whether or
Speaker 1: not we could actually manipulate it in any meaningful way,
Speaker 1: because it's really hard for me to wrap my head
Speaker 1: around it. But then again, we're talking about part of
Speaker 1: physics that has confounded some of the most intelligent physicists
Speaker 1: out there, let alone some idiot who has a podcast.
Speaker 1: So I mean, it's obviously I'm not surprised that it's
Speaker 1: confounded me. I I just I want to see what
Speaker 1: the end result is, very very much, because I it
Speaker 1: would be an incredibly useful tool. It's just really hard
Speaker 1: for me to imagine how it would work. Then again,
Speaker 1: I don't think I would have imagined the actual tractor
Speaker 1: beams we talked about in our last podcast. I kind
Speaker 1: of still can't imagine them. Honestly, I've read a whole
Speaker 1: bunch about them, and I'm like, well, sure that makes sense.
Speaker 1: On a quantum physics kind of everything is so big
Speaker 1: sort of, you know, just eventually I start going all
Speaker 1: two thousand one and not really understanding where I live anymore.
Speaker 1: Whenever things get really small or really big, that's when
Speaker 1: it starts to blow my mind. You know. I can
Speaker 1: deal with the macro scale fairly well, but once you
Speaker 1: get beyond that, it's in either direction if you go
Speaker 1: cosmological or or quantum. I need I need to take
Speaker 1: a break and have some fruit juice. That's when it's
Speaker 1: time to put on Genesis and lay down with the
Speaker 1: bean bag chair and just think about the universe. Groovy. Alright, Well,
Speaker 1: I think that wraps up our discussion about about contractor beams,
Speaker 1: and now we're gonna go listen to some wait wait
Speaker 1: Jennis Genesis. Yeah, but what era Genesis are like early Jennis?
Speaker 1: You're talking like, you know, like the weird stuff. So okay,
Speaker 1: all right, then we're cool. We're cool. I was just
Speaker 1: making sure that we weren't talking like late Genesis. What
Speaker 1: sense would that make in in context of a bean
Speaker 1: bag chair in the universe. I just all Jonathan is
Speaker 1: saying is that we already fired you last episode. We
Speaker 1: don't want to have to fire you again. Fair point. Alright,
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