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Speaker 1: In the last Day's a bomb shiver. In the case

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Speaker 1: This is crime stories. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Did a successful Florida children's book author, Jennifer Wolfthal and

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Speaker 1: her husband Joseph Wolfthal, execute a year's long campaign of

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Speaker 1: horrific abuse, including beating her adopted children with a so

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Speaker 1: called whacker, forcing them to write lines over and over

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Speaker 1: and over like Harry Potter had to do, and feeding

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Speaker 1: them only a mixture of cereal and vegetable puree. The

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Speaker 1: put in ICU with a litany of medical emergencies such

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Speaker 1: According to an AFPHI David we obtain, the child also

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Speaker 1: suffered sores on her leg, infected and ruptured, a chipped,

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Speaker 1: two black eyes, and this little girl weighed only forty

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Speaker 1: pounds at age eight. There were also two other victims,

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Speaker 1: What more do we know about the abuse? Joining me

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Speaker 1: an all star panel to make sense of it all

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Speaker 1: if we can. First of all, a renowned defense attorney,

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Speaker 1: Atlanta trial lawyer Randy Kessler, Professor Emory Law School, past

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Speaker 1: cheer in the ABA, author of Divorce Protectors Elves Your Kids,

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Speaker 1: Your Future, and you can find Randy Kessler at Ksfamilylaw

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Speaker 1: dot com and on Instagram at r Kessler twenty three.

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Speaker 1: Karen Stark joining US psychologist out of Manhattan at Karenstark

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Speaker 1: dot com. Former comp now private investigator, started his own

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Speaker 1: PI firm, Crispin Special Investigations, and you can find him

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Speaker 1: at Crispin Investigations dot com. Special guests joining us from

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Speaker 1: child Help National Child Abuse Hotline as well, Daphne Young

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Speaker 1: and you can find her at Childhelp dot org. Renowned

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Speaker 1: pathologists joining us Doctor Michelle Dupree, forensic pathologist and author

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Speaker 1: of Homicide Investigation Field Guide and importal for today Investigating Child.

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Speaker 2: Abuse Field Guide.

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Speaker 1: Alexis Terestshut to you, first investigative reporter with Crime Online

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Speaker 1: dot com. Alexis, tell me about the injuries to this

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Speaker 2: What are they?

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Speaker 4: My goodness, this little girl was taken to the hospital.

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Speaker 4: She had open wounds on her legs, So that means

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Speaker 4: not just you know, a scrape when you fall down

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Speaker 4: wounds that had not been taken care of. She had

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Speaker 4: sexist she had pneumonia in both lungs and multiple bruises.

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Speaker 4: In fact, on her neck and on her back there

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm trying to take in all the ailments

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Speaker 1: to this little girl, all the suffering she was going

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Speaker 2: Randy Kesseloorer, Atlanta trial lawyer.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it true that if a teacher notices anything wrong

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Speaker 5: Yes, so what we call a mandated reporter. Therapist, physicians, teachers,

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Speaker 5: if you notice something that leads you to think that

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Speaker 5: the child has been abused, it's your job to report

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Speaker 5: it to the authorities. So this is sort of the

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Speaker 5: whole world upside down that she got reported on instead

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Speaker 5: of being one reported Just incredible.

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Speaker 1: You know what it reminds me of Randy in case

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Speaker 1: I tried not too far from your office in the

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Speaker 1: Fulton County Superior Courthouse, and the defense name was Walter Gates,

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Speaker 1: and he at the time owned nearly all the horse

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Speaker 1: molesting two little girls aged three and five. I can

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Speaker 1: still remember them so well, just beautiful Randy. And I

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Speaker 1: got to investigating him, and you know how I love

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Speaker 1: similar transactions. I found out mister Walter Gates's oldest daughter,

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Speaker 1: who I later tracked down. Took me a long time.

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Speaker 1: She was living in a flophouse out into cab County.

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Speaker 1: I found her sitting in a bedroom in her slip

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Speaker 2: Cigarettes, old cigarettes.

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Speaker 1: There was a reason for that. Back when she was

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Speaker 1: Walter Gates, did it.

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Speaker 2: You know how many.

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Speaker 1: Little girls I found out he molested. That's the case

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Speaker 1: I got held in contempt for that case right there,

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying is an open wound. And the teacher

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Speaker 1: Sounds like the same thing in this case, Randy Cassel.

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Speaker 5: It does. And the worst thing that happened to him,

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Speaker 5: and the best things to that victim is that you

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Speaker 5: were assigned to prosecute that case. Fancy, But you know,

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Speaker 5: even worse is.

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Speaker 1: That pos is behind bars and let me just tell

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Speaker 5: And even worse, these parents are adoptive parents. I mean,

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Speaker 5: there's something special we think. Adoptive parents in my world

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Speaker 5: adding insult to injury. It's just unbelievable. The setup fact is,

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Speaker 5: I can't comprehend it.

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Speaker 1: But you know what I think, I'm remembering a very

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Speaker 1: critical fact to Alexis Teschuk. They weren't reported by school teacher,

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Speaker 1: But weren't they homeschooled. Exactly.

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Speaker 4: These three children, all under the age of twelve, are homeschooled.

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Speaker 4: And here's the thing. She was also an elementary school teacher.

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Speaker 4: So of course, wha.

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Speaker 1: Wha wait, I know that the mom is a very

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Speaker 1: well known author of children's books. The big hit for

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Speaker 1: her was called quote a Real Friend by Jennifer Wolfthall.

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Speaker 1: That is mommy's name. They adopt three children. I'm looking

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Speaker 4: What you cannot see in that picture that the police

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Speaker 2: You know. Alexis terrashuk.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember how much I wanted the twins.

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Speaker 1: Can you even imagine someone tracing these children this way?

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Speaker 4: No, they adopted them too, even extra extra steps to

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Speaker 4: actually telling these people, we don't want to go back there.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace in the Last Days a

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Speaker 1: bombshell in the case of a very successful Florida children's

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Speaker 1: years of horrific abuse heaped upon her adopted children tried

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Speaker 1: bodily harm. They will serve twelve years and ten years, respectively.

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Speaker 1: Catch this the adopted dad, Joseph Wolthaal, initially tried to

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Speaker 1: forced to write out humiliating phrases thousands of time, and

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Speaker 1: I was never given permission to move or say anything else.

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Speaker 7: Growing up in Florida, the now forty one year old

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Speaker 1: How they patch up their quarrel. You know, it's amazing

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Speaker 1: to me at Karen Stark, a New York psychologists. You

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Speaker 1: She Jennifer Wolfall and the husband, Joseph, they go through

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Speaker 1: is exactly kidney failure and liver failure and sepsis? What

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Speaker 6: Nancy? Yes, exactly. That'sis actually is a form of blood

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Speaker 6: Renal failure again, the kidneys shut down. They do not

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Speaker 9: Jennifer Wilfall told authorities the injuries to the child were

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Speaker 1: Alexis teresta crime online dot Com investigative reporter, Why can

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Speaker 2: Call the quote whacker.

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Speaker 4: So the children have told the police that they were abused,

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Speaker 1: Child Help dot Org. Our friend Daphne Young. Daphne, you know,

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Speaker 1: sometimes I agree with Robert Crispin and Randy Kessler. It's

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Speaker 1: Another thing I found out Daphne, as the children were

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Speaker 3: But oftentimes the parents that do this depersonalize their children right.

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Speaker 1: As a child's author, do you remember other cases to

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Speaker 1: Daphne Young with child help dot Org where the children

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Speaker 4: Take that child to the hospital. He would have died

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Speaker 1: Oh, I should take a listen to our cut eight.

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Speaker 11: I'm told that the abuse described in the arrest report

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Speaker 11: Yes, And those charges Joseph Wolfthol faces are aggravated child abuse,

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Speaker 1: alexis Terestak crime online dot com. She or her siblings

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Speaker 1: were the ones writing I have to stay flat on

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Speaker 1: my bed. I can't speak without permission. Do you remember

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Speaker 1: all those pages and pages of handwriting and also the

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Speaker 1: same thing, yes.

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Speaker 4: And this was their form of punishment. The mom would

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Speaker 4: the parents would make them write out with thousands of

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Speaker 4: sentences the same one over and over again as part

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Speaker 4: of their punishment. On top of their punishments that were

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Speaker 4: they were forced this is the strangest thing. They were

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Speaker 4: forced to do squats and this is you know, where

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Speaker 4: you're standing and you just bend your legs, bender kneas

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Speaker 4: down and you don't hit the ground, You don't sit

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Speaker 4: on a chair anything. You up and down over and

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Speaker 4: over and over again. This is the torture that these

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Speaker 4: children were subjected to. Forced to do squats is exercise.

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Speaker 10: You know.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at additional evidence. Apparently, according to all three

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Speaker 1: children who were questioned separately, they had not taken baths

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Speaker 1: in months, and they will be denied bandages for the

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Speaker 1: open wounds caused by the quote whacker a device I

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Speaker 1: guess the parents made up to spank the children, drawing

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Speaker 1: blood by hitting the same spot every time. Doctor Michelle Dupree,

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Speaker 1: do you think that is how the child got sepsis?

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, Nancy, It certainly could be. Not taking a bath

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Speaker 6: for months is going to allow bacteria to build up

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Speaker 6: on your skin. It's going to enter the body through

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Speaker 6: the nose, the mouth, the eyes. Absolutely, that could cause

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Speaker 6: the beginning of sepsode.

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Speaker 1: Trying to understand what this quote whacker would be to

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Speaker 1: Daphney Young with child help dot Org. It was specifically

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Speaker 1: designed to hit the child at the same spot to ultimately.

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Speaker 3: Draw blood over and over again, and then they be

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Speaker 3: doused with the water and then these giant fans, which

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Speaker 3: probably made them freeze as they lay on plastic covers

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Speaker 3: with no blankets, a plastic cover over the mattresses. And

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Speaker 3: I remember the little girl saying that she counted days

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Speaker 3: and weeks, just trying to get her head straight as

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Speaker 3: to what day of the week it was, what month

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Speaker 3: it was. This is like a prisoner would do on

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Speaker 3: the side of a prison wall, trying to remember where am.

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Speaker 4: I, what day of the week it is. So you know,

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Speaker 4: she was trapped.

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Speaker 3: In that room in pain, but also just trying to

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Speaker 3: maintain some sanity.

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Speaker 1: A whacker device, you know. Randy Kessler, Atlanta trial lawyer,

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Speaker 1: that device shows clear intent not to discipline, but to

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Speaker 1: torture the children.

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Speaker 5: I intent, it's not really very hard to prove and

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Speaker 5: reckless disregard about of mind. These people can't go before

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Speaker 5: a jury, right can you imagine any jury giving them anything?

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Speaker 5: But the horses comes in. The charge with horse is

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Speaker 5: kind of charge with the intent. You know, you're right,

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Speaker 5: And especially they can't claim they can't claim they didn't know,

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Speaker 5: they didn't understand that there was just a mistake. I mean,

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Speaker 5: considering the combination of what they did and who they are.

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Speaker 5: You know, the fact that they have she has a

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Speaker 5: degree in education, she teaches, she writes children's books. Oh

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Speaker 5: my god, there is obvious contemps all.

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Speaker 6: Over the place.

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Speaker 5: It's I'm almost prised it not an insanity defense coming.

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Speaker 5: But there's no way, there's no way.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that they can both be declared in

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Speaker 1: saying that's just a little bit too much of a

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Speaker 1: coincidence and a very interesting thing. The husband in this case,

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Speaker 1: Joseph Walthall, is an engineer. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Now catch this. Jennifer Wolfthal's publisher, Clavis Publishing, released a statement,

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Speaker 1: quote at Clavis, we believe children are beautiful and deserve

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Speaker 1: our utmost respect and care. Then they stated they would

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Speaker 1: cease further commercialization of the book. To write a children's

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Speaker 1: book while you're torturing your own children. What more do

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Speaker 1: we know? Kidney failure, liver failure, double pneumonia, and sepsis,

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Speaker 1: open wounds, all three, malnutrition, waterboarding in the home. They

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Speaker 1: all three separately tell the same story, and it reminds

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Speaker 1: me very much of a case that we just covered.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut eleven This is Tiger

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Speaker 1: Huck at WYFF News.

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Speaker 12: For Ariel Robinson sat down with WYFF News four in

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Speaker 12: August after winning the Food Network show Worst Cooks in America.

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Speaker 12: She told us then the winnings from the show would

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Speaker 12: go a long way to help her and her husband,

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Speaker 12: who recently adopted three more children.

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Speaker 13: Know that the Lord had his hands on me and

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Speaker 13: he had a purpose for me to go on there.

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Speaker 12: The former middle school teacher was an aspiring comedian booked

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Speaker 12: by Justin Williams to perform at a Pickens County barbecue

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Speaker 12: event back in November.

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Speaker 14: She was hilarious, She was super sweet to everybody around her,

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Speaker 14: and she expressed the passion for working with children and

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Speaker 14: working with just the community in general.

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Speaker 1: The reality star Ariel Robinson won Worst cook in America,

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Speaker 1: got twenty five thousand dollars and bragged about her blended

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Speaker 1: family and using the money to help raise her adopted children. Well,

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Speaker 1: Tory Rose is dead. The three year old little girl

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Speaker 1: was found covered in bruises and they actually tried to

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Speaker 1: tell nine one one it's because she drank too much

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Speaker 1: water and the bruises were from CPR. She's charged with

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Speaker 1: murdered by child abuse and there she is a reality

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Speaker 1: star on TV. Of course, the husband said he could

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Speaker 1: hear the beatings and he finally told his wife, you've

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Speaker 1: gone too far. Well, the child is dead and according

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Speaker 1: to Facebook photos of the little girl that they posted,

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Speaker 1: she had been covered with bruses many times before. She's

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Speaker 1: not the only one where what you see is not

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Speaker 1: what you're getting. Take a listen to our cup fourteen

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Speaker 1: Jessica Stone ACGTN needs you shall say.

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Speaker 15: When they entered the Turpin home, they found a modern

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Speaker 15: day horror foul smell, extremely dirty conditions, and they say

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Speaker 15: it was immediately clear that the siblings were malnourished. Authorities

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Speaker 15: say they found three of the children shackled to their

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Speaker 15: beds with chains and padlocks, kept in dark and unclean

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Speaker 15: conditions inside this Riverside County, California home. Deputies located twelve

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Speaker 15: children inside the house as young as two years old.

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Speaker 15: While the family kept this active Facebook page which appears

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Speaker 15: to show a happy group trips, vacations, smiling faces. Authorities

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Speaker 15: discovered that seven of the children pictured appeared so malnourished

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Speaker 15: that they did look like children, they were actually adult.

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Speaker 1: The oldest is twenty nine years old. Those children chained

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Speaker 1: to their beds. But if you look at their Facebook,

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Speaker 1: they're all dressed in matching red Disney shirts.

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Speaker 2: The you know thing number one, thing number two.

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Speaker 1: They had all matching outfits on various trips. They were

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Speaker 1: all there at a revival of the vow ceremony with

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Speaker 1: the parents. I mean, it goes on and on. Who

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Speaker 1: would have ever thought these children were being so horribly treated.

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Speaker 1: One finally escape called out a window and called nine

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Speaker 1: one one to save her sister's horrible, horrible conditions.

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Speaker 2: Inside one of.

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Speaker 1: The closets in the Turpin home, there were scratches on

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Speaker 1: the wall where the children had tried to get out.

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Speaker 1: Straight back to Daphne Young with child help dot Org,

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Speaker 1: one of our favorite organizations. I know, you remember the

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Speaker 1: Turpen case in the House of Horrors.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and a lot of the kids that you know,

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Speaker 3: while we have to protect the anonymity of all of

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Speaker 3: our children, a lot of the kids that we see

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Speaker 3: in these headlines come through child health And it's horrible

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Speaker 3: enough to deal with the child abuse that comes from

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Speaker 3: drug addicts, the child abuse that comes from mental health cases,

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Speaker 3: the child abuse that comes from people that are you know,

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Speaker 3: completely sort of out of it in terms of finances

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Speaker 3: and otherwise. But the scariest ones, the ones that I'm

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Speaker 3: still trying to figure out, how do we detect these

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Speaker 3: folks are those that have this great facade, those that

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Speaker 3: have good educations, those that have resources, they live among us.

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Speaker 3: These are people that aren't our neighbors and people that

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Speaker 3: we interact with potentially and don't recognize, and those are

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Speaker 3: the scariest abusers, and they create houses of horrors. And

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Speaker 3: the children. It takes the years for these kids to

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Speaker 3: recover and be put on a path of hope and.

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Speaker 1: Healing abezures you would never expect. Take a listen to

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Speaker 1: our friends over at the New York Times.

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Speaker 13: Hundreds of women say Larry Nasarus sexually abused them. It's

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Speaker 13: one of the worst sexual abuse scandals in the history

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Speaker 13: of sports, and it went on for more than two decades.

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Speaker 13: Nasar's patients felt honored to be treated by the best

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Speaker 13: of the best. Nasa typically carried out his abuse under

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Speaker 13: the guise of a medical treatment. He hijacked a rare

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Speaker 13: pelvic therapy that involves vaginal penetration and used it to

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Speaker 13: treat all.

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Speaker 1: Sorts of ailments.

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Speaker 13: He ignored protocols such as using a glove, asking consent,

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Speaker 13: or having a medical chaperone present.

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Speaker 16: And when I was fourteen years old, I saw my

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Speaker 16: hamstring in my right leg.

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Speaker 17: This was when he started performing the procedure that we

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Speaker 17: are all now familiar with.

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Speaker 16: The next visit was from my shoulder, which I then

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Speaker 16: phoned out my hips thread alignment, which then made my

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Speaker 16: spine and my pelvic phone out of alignment as well.

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Speaker 16: And this is when Larry decided that it was medically

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Speaker 16: acceptable to violate a sixteen year old girl.

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Speaker 1: So from a well respected couple in the community that

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Speaker 1: had a house of horrors going on homeskilling their children

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Speaker 1: in order to abuse them, to now a well known

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Speaker 1: book author to an Olympic coach abusing dozens of young

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Speaker 1: girls with me daft young With the Child help dot

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Speaker 1: Org organization, Daphne, you have actually worked with some of

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Speaker 1: Nasaur's victims.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. Olympic consultants Foundation for Global Sports connected us with

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Speaker 3: some of these brave what they call themselves, sister survivors.

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Speaker 3: And when we.

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Speaker 4: Talked a little bit earlier with law enforcement and others

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Speaker 4: about being jaded, this is the piece of child help

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Speaker 4: that's kept me here, which is these women are working

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Speaker 4: with us in Child Help Speak, a be Safe for

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Speaker 4: Athletes and a Courage First hotline that is both a

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Speaker 4: prevention education for youth sports, which we've reached well over

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Speaker 4: one hundred and sixty thousand children and families, and a

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Speaker 4: hotline for youth athletes. So these gals.

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Speaker 3: Are using very difficult experiences to create safety nets for

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Speaker 3: kids and youth sports. And so that's the kind of

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Speaker 3: stuff that allows us to keep doing this work. Because

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Speaker 3: for every awful family like the ones we're discussing today,

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Speaker 3: and for every creep like Nasar who hurts these kids,

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Speaker 3: they are amazing women and survivors and young boys that

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Speaker 3: come out of these circumstances and change lives and use

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Speaker 3: their voice for good.

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Speaker 1: You know, Lexus tresstot crime Online dot comments to get

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Speaker 1: a reporter. We know a little bit about what these parents,

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Speaker 1: the Wolfthall said at the hospital. They didn't just blame

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Speaker 1: it on slip and falls all the injuries. What else

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Speaker 1: did they say?

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Speaker 4: So when Joseph Woopall took his daughter to the hospital,

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Speaker 4: he told the doctors that were there the child had

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Speaker 4: such huge, obvious wounds. He said that she was hurt

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Speaker 4: because she brushed her teeth too hard.

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Speaker 1: Did you just say the excuse was she brushed her

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Speaker 1: teeth too hard?

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Speaker 4: Yep, she brushed her teeth too hard. That's the excuse

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Speaker 4: that he tried to use. And he's also blaming his wife.

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Speaker 2: It was also the whacker.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Michelle Dupree, a forensic pathologist from her Medical Examiner,

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Speaker 1: author of Homicide Investigation fueld Goide and Investigating Child Abuse

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Speaker 1: field guide. How do you perceive the so called whacker?

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Speaker 1: And can you imagine the sense of dread these children

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Speaker 1: felt when they saw the whacker pulled out bency.

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Speaker 6: I've had a couple of cases like this, and I've

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Speaker 6: seen things such as the end of a broom handle

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Speaker 6: or the broom handle itself, which can cause significant injury,

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Speaker 6: being used over and over and over again to cause this.

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Speaker 1: Robert Crispin, I prosecuted a lot of child abuse child

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Speaker 1: molestation cases, as have you in your investigations. What do

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Speaker 1: you make of child witnesses?

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Speaker 10: They are the best witnesses to law enforcement. They're the

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Speaker 10: best witnesses to prosecutors. They're so innocent. They tell you

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Speaker 10: things that they shouldn't know at their age. They're very specific,

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Speaker 10: they're not old enough to learn how to manipulate law enforcement,

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Speaker 10: to manipulate a prosecutor. I have found in interviewing so

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Speaker 10: many child victims that you get goosebums and chills when

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Speaker 10: you sit there and listen to the details in the

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Speaker 10: horror that this kid went through, Like, how do you

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Speaker 10: know this at eleven years old? How do you know

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Speaker 10: that at eight years old? The best witnesses ever?

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Speaker 1: You know, we're talking about a child's book author Houserbooks

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Speaker 1: on Amazon dot com. Very well established, a husband, very

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Speaker 1: educated and engineer. So how do you take a child

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Speaker 1: witness like Robert Christmas talking about and stack them.

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Speaker 2: Up against a defendant?

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Speaker 1: What about an that nobody would suspect? Take a Listen

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Speaker 1: to Tiffany Taylor at Hollywood Reporter.

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Speaker 17: Christina's Tell All memoir that inspired the film of the

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Speaker 17: same name, painted Joan Crawford this abusive and an alcoholic.

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Speaker 17: While her adopted brother Christopher always supported her claims, their twin.

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Speaker 18: Siblings Kathy and Sydney did not.

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Speaker 17: According to the book, Joan often went on what Christina

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Speaker 17: called night raids, where she would wake.

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Speaker 18: Her up and make her clean messes she hadn't.

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Speaker 17: Made for hours on end. Christina also said Joan hated

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Speaker 17: wire hangers. She reportedly once woke her up in the

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Speaker 17: middle of the night for using them. In a scene

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Speaker 17: that's infamously depicted in the nineteen eighty one movie, she

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Speaker 17: is said to have dragged her daughter by the hair,

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Speaker 17: yelling Noah wire hangers while beating her. Christina also claims

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Speaker 17: she was once starved for days when she refused to

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Speaker 17: eat an undercooked, bloody steak, all in a bid for

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Speaker 17: her mother to further control her. According to the memoir,

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Speaker 17: Joan allegedly kept Christopher constricted in bed in a sleep

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Speaker 17: safe device.

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Speaker 18: And tied Christina up in the shower at night.

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Speaker 17: Christina was thirteen years old, she supposedly suffered one final

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Speaker 17: brutal beating from her mother and when she thought she

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Speaker 17: was going to be choked out.

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Speaker 1: You know what is that, Daphne Young Where the children

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Speaker 1: are restricted, tied up. We hear it over and over again,

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Speaker 1: like in this case, where they're forced to lay flat

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Speaker 1: on the bed interpend they were chained to the bed

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Speaker 1: or put into a closet and locked in the.

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Speaker 2: Constriction of the child. I find that to be a

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Speaker 2: common thing.

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Speaker 3: It's a complete lack of control in the parent. It

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Speaker 3: starts off sometimes small, a little discipline. I'm going to

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Speaker 3: put you in your room, you need to stay away

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Speaker 3: from this or that, and becomes a torture chamber. Essentially,

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Speaker 3: it's like the torturing of prisoners. And so much of

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Speaker 3: this repetition and cruelty then becomes status quo. So every

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Speaker 3: little breach of a boundary can open up a new boundary.

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Speaker 3: That's why I say, you know, I don't even like

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Speaker 3: people spanking children, because every breach of being.

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Speaker 19: A little out of control can make you much much

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Speaker 19: further out of control. And then, you know, not everybody

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Speaker 19: obviously is going to end up like this, but we see,

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Speaker 19: you know, kids will tell us how it started, and

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Speaker 19: it seems so small, and then it turns into something

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Speaker 19: that is a true nightmare.

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Speaker 1: Jennifer and Joseph Wolffall wrought in hell with a brief

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Speaker 1: pitstop in the penitentiary. Goodbye friends,