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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barthar Lazarre.

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Speaker 2: Hello, everybody nailed it joined as always, buy ours bar.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars March seventeenth, twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five. I'll use my birthday. That's not my birthday.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna use my birthday March seventeenth, twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: As No, I didn't. I was like, I should use

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Speaker 1: my birthday, and resident, I want to see my birthday

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Speaker 1: on the air. Why would I catch?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, why are you afraid to put your birthday out there?

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Hello, everybody, look at this new setup.

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Speaker 2: This is fantastic. See. I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings, marine,

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Speaker 2: but this this is better than the other one. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I love this setup. I love the desk. I can't

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Speaker 2: hear any think through my headphones, though. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if you can, Barth but.

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Speaker 1: No me neither. I'm trying to all right, we'll figure

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Speaker 1: turn it. Oh, there we go, I have turn it

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Speaker 1: way up.

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Speaker 2: Okay, there we go. Just fault working out the the

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Speaker 2: details here. But Evan Lazar Patriots catch one to Alex

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Speaker 2: Barth obviously, who's been all over in ninety five the

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Speaker 2: sports of this week. By the way, you're on again

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Speaker 2: this afternoon two to six.

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Speaker 1: This is the last last day of Barthy and McCarthy.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So no, no tomorrow, Why not no Friday.

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Speaker 1: I'm just not on the schedule. Neither's Feller. Foulger's taking

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Speaker 1: it off.

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Speaker 2: So well, shocker there. Before we get into the show, though,

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Speaker 2: I do have to rant for like thirty seconds about

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Speaker 2: the traffic that I just was in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, see it does it? Does happen, doesn't it? And

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Speaker 1: I'm late every time ever it happens to me? All

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Speaker 1: I hear, Well, you know you should leave earlier. You

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Speaker 1: gotta know we had an earlier show. Evan, Come on, no,

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Speaker 1: I have I have, like, really something to say about it.

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Speaker 1: Does happen, doesn't it?

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Speaker 2: Okay, I guess I'll would have thought. Get it out

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Speaker 2: of the way. Now, the city of Boston and the

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Speaker 2: Boston proper, the area around Boston has.

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Speaker 1: Hang on, before you say this, remember the talk we

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Speaker 1: had about not randomly calling people out on this show.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm calling out a lot of like nobody in particular.

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Speaker 2: Why would it's not.

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Speaker 1: I'm just making sure calling out this se I'm just

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Speaker 1: making sure you remember that conversation calling.

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Speaker 2: Out a specific person here. Well, I sort of am,

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Speaker 2: but not anybody related to us in any sort of way.

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Speaker 2: The city of Boston and Boston proper has a traffic epidemic.

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Speaker 2: It is absolutely terrible. Like we need to take the

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Speaker 2: current city plan for traffic. And I know nobody cares

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Speaker 2: about my traffic right right now, but I'm doing it anyway.

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Speaker 2: We have to take the whole city plan of bike lanes,

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Speaker 2: bus lanes, how we handle traffic overflow, how we handle accidents,

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Speaker 2: how we handle a police escort on ninety five just

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Speaker 2: now for some crane or something like that, and the

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Speaker 2: on all four lanes of ninety five, going like this,

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Speaker 2: swerving back and forth. We need to take it all,

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Speaker 2: and we need to take it out back, and we

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Speaker 2: need to burn it, and we need to start over.

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Speaker 2: I am telling you right now, I have never experienced

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Speaker 2: anything worse than what we have experienced here recently. I'm

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Speaker 2: not just talking about today, like just in general recently.

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Speaker 2: It is horrible. It is gotta be the worst traffic

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Speaker 2: The difference is is that the traffic in Los Angeles

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Speaker 2: So there's a gajillion people and everybody's in a car

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Speaker 2: during rush hour in Boston in this area, this is

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Speaker 2: all self inflicted. This is all self inflicted. We have

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Speaker 2: plenty of roadways, we have plenty of highways, we have

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Speaker 2: This is all self inflicted and we need to start over.

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Speaker 2: It is horrible. It's absolutely horrible. And with that being said,

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Speaker 1: Get arrested for this, Yeah, don't get arrested, because I

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Speaker 1: was flipping out anyways. Training camp less than a week

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Speaker 1: away at this point, and I am just ecstatic that

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Speaker 1: we can get off of these off season topics like traffic,

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna get into plenty of training camp preview.

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Speaker 1: The phone lines are open eight five to five, PATS

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Speaker 1: All of it is open and ready to go. In

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Speaker 1: this brand new studio, which again is winning me over.

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Speaker 1: We have the big lazy boy type setup too. I

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Speaker 2: This is this is nice, is great, This is catch

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Speaker 2: twenty two right here. This is our setup. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: all shows anyways. So a couple of news items, though

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Speaker 2: I wanted to start without the top of the show,

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Speaker 2: and then I have some some sneaky Patriots storylines heading

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Speaker 2: into training camp, not the not the big picture stuff, right,

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Speaker 2: Like we've talked plenty about Drake May and his timeline,

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Speaker 2: We've talked plenty about left tackle and that whole situation.

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Speaker 2: So I have some under the radar, like I like

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Speaker 2: to training camp. I want to start with some news.

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Speaker 2: First of all, Brandon Nayuk, which trusts officially quested a

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Speaker 2: trade the other day. I know that this is a

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Speaker 2: his fifth year option. But with that being said, technically

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Speaker 2: So the forty nine ers understandably are an absolutely no

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Speaker 2: clearly he's unhappy. He's restless about his contract. And then

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Speaker 2: package that you're putting together to acquire Brandon Ayuk? I

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Speaker 2: look at the AJ Brown trade a couple of years

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Speaker 2: To me, that is the framework of any deal involving

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Speaker 2: Brandon Nayuk, who yesterday Jeremy Flower Fowler posted the wide

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Speaker 2: was tenth in the league. Analytically, he is the best

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Speaker 2: He's a top ten receiver in the league. He's gonna

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Speaker 2: Guy's gonna get paid. Guy's a stud. But if you're

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Speaker 1: Right now? Second round pick in a Day three pick.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking more at the framework of you know, like

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Speaker 1: They still have a lot of needs. Yeah, and I

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Speaker 2: But eventually for six years old, and he's gonna have

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Speaker 2: sign a four or five year contracy.

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Speaker 1: So you do have to sign to an extension. But

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Speaker 1: the point is if if it's Ayuk now or wide

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Speaker 2: And I just don't understand the timeline. I don't understand

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Speaker 1: I know, well, first of all, if you're gonna make

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Speaker 1: this trade, you have to sign an extension. That's going

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Speaker 1: Assuming he'll sign an extension. Here, what if you find

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Speaker 2: Giving seventy five million dollars guaranteed they'll sign.

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Speaker 1: But they can do that for a guy next year

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Speaker 2: Keep the trade for him.

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Speaker 1: If right, if he goes to Washington. Maybe if he

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying, don't trade for wide receiver. Have you

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Speaker 1: Rest of Development. I've watched it, rec Okay, remember the

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Speaker 2: because it's impossible that if he was available be a

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Speaker 2: They're not gonna win the Super Bowl without Brandon Nayuk

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Speaker 2: just don't really think that's Ricky Pearsall's role. Ricky Parsall,

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Speaker 2: and we can probably share in this is after doing

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Speaker 2: and I do, at the end of the day, nothing

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Speaker 2: would like, I would much rather have Brandon Ayuk on

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Speaker 2: my team than McMillan, the kid from Arizona. They're both very,

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: We have no idea those guys could be Corey Davis

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Speaker 2: I I I'm almost in the school thought of I

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Speaker 1: I'm one hundred percent with you. Veteran over rookie, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I know for sure Brandon and Ayuk is a top

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Speaker 2: if Luthor Burden could even play in the NFL, right exactly.

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Speaker 1: It's the same thing.

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Speaker 2: No, it's not because he's not a free agent next year.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm not saying trade for DK Metcalf right now.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying next March.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but Brandon Nyuk might just be available next March.

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Speaker 1: it's Brandon and I. Maybe it is Brandon and Ayuk

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Speaker 1: Because I think DK is better than Ayuk? I like

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Speaker 2: Okay, So here's the other part of it. And I

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Speaker 2: I just there's no reason to offer a first round

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Speaker 2: That's what That's sort of where I'm coming from with

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Speaker 2: I just think that you're gonna be left into You

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Speaker 2: You're left with kJ Osborne. Which it's no disrespect to

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Speaker 2: That's just the way it happened. So as much as

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Speaker 2: Drake may ends up starting earlier than expected or just early,

432
00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,399
Speaker 2: I don't have to say expected. He's got Brandon Nyuk.

433
00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,679
Speaker 2: Now they have a viable offense, we know what we

434
00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,200
Speaker 2: think about their defense. All of a sudden, they're competing

435
00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,640
Speaker 2: for a wildcard spot and they're in a similar place

436
00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:45,439
Speaker 2: that they were in twenty two.

437
00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,280
Speaker 1: I think brand you can make that much of a difference.

438
00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:49,920
Speaker 2: I feel like we have to look at it from

439
00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,600
Speaker 2: a standpoint of individually, in a vacuum. Is he going

440
00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,080
Speaker 2: to make that big of a difference. Not necessarily, But

441
00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:01,440
Speaker 2: it's the old Domino triple trickle down effect theory. Right

442
00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:05,440
Speaker 2: of having him on the team not only makes it

443
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,720
Speaker 2: that he's gonna come in here and have twelve hundred

444
00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,160
Speaker 2: yards if they have a good quarterback play. But it's

445
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,640
Speaker 2: also going to make life easier on everybody else that's

446
00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:13,520
Speaker 2: operating in the office.

447
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,240
Speaker 1: But at some point you're gonna need a left tackle,

448
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,240
Speaker 1: and this really limits your ability to get that guy.

449
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,439
Speaker 1: At some point you're gonna need a top corner. This

450
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:20,680
Speaker 1: limits your ability to get that guy.

451
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 2: Like it's just don't I don't necessarily agree at the

452
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:24,280
Speaker 2: top corner because I believe in.

453
00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,399
Speaker 1: Gonzales like another one, you need another one, So you

454
00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,520
Speaker 1: need a number two corner. Yeah, they can find number

455
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,120
Speaker 1: two corners. It's not that easy.

456
00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,280
Speaker 2: I mean, like Alex Austin might be a number two right.

457
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:36,320
Speaker 1: Fair enough. I just I think you're putting the cart

458
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,840
Speaker 1: before the horse to make that trade right now again,

459
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:39,560
Speaker 1: talk to me to hear.

460
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 2: I just would like to be aggressive with it because

461
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 2: as much as we can sit here and say these

462
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 2: guys get moved all the time, they none of them

463
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:51,000
Speaker 2: got moved here, right And on top of that, I

464
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:55,120
Speaker 2: have absolutely no desire to risk a top ten pick

465
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,360
Speaker 2: from the Patriots in the draft on a receiver.

466
00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,239
Speaker 1: None, So then you don't want to do it.

467
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 2: I don't want to draft Luther Burton. I have no

468
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,720
Speaker 2: desire to do that. If you told me that it

469
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 2: was Marvin Harrison junior, yeah, then I would sit there

470
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:12,679
Speaker 2: and say fine, because Jamar Chase, Marvin Harrison Junior put whatever,

471
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,240
Speaker 2: like you know, elite. I don't want to use generational

472
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 2: because those two guys are four years apart, so it's

473
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 2: not necessarily generational. But this top end prospect, it's almost

474
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 2: like I can't miss type player. I don't want to.

475
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,200
Speaker 2: I don't want this organization to take that bit because

476
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:30,400
Speaker 2: it'll end up being Mike.

477
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,199
Speaker 1: Will I want them to get a franchise tackle or

478
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,399
Speaker 1: Roy Williams. I want them to get a franchise tackle

479
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,719
Speaker 1: that I want them to protect the third overall pick quarterback.

480
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:38,639
Speaker 1: That's how you do it. You'll have other chances to

481
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,800
Speaker 1: get the receiver. Brandon. I do the same thing. Is

482
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 1: Brandon and you very good receiver? Yes? Is he can't miss?

483
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we have to get this specific guy

484
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:48,680
Speaker 1: on our team right now?

485
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 2: No, Okay, I don't want to believe the point, but

486
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,879
Speaker 2: I just feel like, if this is your opportunity to

487
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:58,920
Speaker 2: get that player, it's a risk.

488
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 1: To just it's a opportunities. The opportunity that's the differences.

489
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:02,919
Speaker 2: One hundred percent sold on that.

490
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 1: But other other news, Yes, Brandon and I could be

491
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 1: the last good receiver ever to change teams.

492
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 2: No, I don't think that. I just think they're saying no,

493
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 2: it's not I'm saying that there's just this this might

494
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 2: opportunity means No, it's just this might be the best

495
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,880
Speaker 2: opportunity for them in terms of them having the actual

496
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 2: offer that Trump's everybody else offer, plus the cap space

497
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 2: and money and just financials.

498
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 1: To me, why won't they have that in seven eight months.

499
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 2: Because they might not have this pick in seven to

500
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 2: eight months. Like if they're going to draft you know,

501
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 2: what's his name, Calvin Banks Junior or whatever, then they're

502
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 2: not going to use this twenty twenty five pick on them,

503
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,119
Speaker 2: and then like twenty twenty six pick, it might not

504
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 2: be as good as it.

505
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 1: So they could do a version of what the Vikings did.

506
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 1: Use your second round pick, trade back into the mid first,

507
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 1: and you trade that pick for you or DK Metcalf

508
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,400
Speaker 1: or whoever like. You can use that second round pick

509
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 1: plus other assets to get a receiver. I don't believe.

510
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 2: One time where they have they are going to have

511
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 2: the opportunity. I'm not necessarily saying they should do it, but.

512
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 1: I don't think it's the one time.

513
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:06,959
Speaker 2: I think this is the one time where we can

514
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 2: safely say that they could put the best package together.

515
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 1: For I don't think that's true.

516
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 2: I don't know why, like, and how do you think

517
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,400
Speaker 2: that's not true? They have the best they have the

518
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 2: best draft capital to offer in this deal right now

519
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:20,880
Speaker 2: if they wanted to make it. We don't know if

520
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 2: that's going to be true in a year.

521
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, so should every bad team just go

522
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 1: out and trade their first round pick for players instantly?

523
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 1: Like you want to be the Rams?

524
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:32,679
Speaker 2: Yes?

525
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: Short sighted?

526
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:39,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe the Rams are in a little bit of

527
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 2: a different situation though, Like I Brandon Ayuk's twenty six

528
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,880
Speaker 2: years old, right twenty five, twenty six years old. He's

529
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 2: a receiver. He's going to be good for the next

530
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 2: four or five years. He's going to be the same

531
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 2: exact guy, like you're I just I don't know. I

532
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 2: feel like this, this right now is a very good

533
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 2: opportunity for them because of their situation both what's the

534
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 2: finances in what's on the isn't on the books? Really

535
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 2: for them going forward? Means that they can easily absorb

536
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 2: a Brandon Nyuk extension, and then they also have the money,

537
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 2: the draft capital to do it.

538
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: What I'm telling you is nothing major would think. I'd

539
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 1: be shocked if anything major gets added to the books

540
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: between now and the start of the new league year

541
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 1: in March.

542
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, but their draft pick might not be what we

543
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 2: think it is, or it might not be what we

544
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 2: think it is in twenty six.

545
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 1: If their draft pick, and if their twenty twenty five

546
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: draft pick ends up being like significant, maybe there's less

547
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: of an urgency to get that guy. Maybe it's probably

548
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 1: because a guy like Jalen Polk or jayvon Baker really

549
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 1: took off and that changes the mechanics of it.

550
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 2: That's fair. I don't know.

551
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: They're not going to be a five always team with

552
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: the fifteenth overall pick.

553
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 2: No, but we always just talk about these trades for

554
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 2: receivers and it's like, oh, they'll just be another one

555
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 2: next year, They'll just be another and there always is okay,

556
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 2: but at some point you in the game of musical chairs,

557
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:00,400
Speaker 2: at some point you got to it down.

558
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 1: At some point you do. And last time with mac Jones,

559
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: they waited too long. They missed it. They missed Hopkins.

560
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 2: They didn't just way too long. They just they never

561
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 2: did it.

562
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 1: They never will. Yeah, it got to the point where

563
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: it stop making sense to do because mac Jones never

564
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 1: developed properly. It's it's the same thing now, Like, yes,

565
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: they do need to make the trade eventually. I've said this,

566
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: it's about threading the needle. I still think it's too early.

567
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: They're gonna leave their themselves coming up short where the

568
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 1: rest of the roster isn't gonna They're not gonna be

569
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 1: able to get the rest of the roster where they

570
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: need it to be fair enough.

571
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 2: Let's move on because we're gonna we're stuck here.

572
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 1: You just want to talk about you guys playing catch.

573
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:34,719
Speaker 1: You don't want talk about football.

574
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 2: That's exactly what it is, talking about football, because apparently

575
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 2: this he doesn't play catch. Well, he does with the fans,

576
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 2: so I guess Matthew Judon in some ways does play catch.

577
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 2: But with the Matthew Judon situation, this is the other

578
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 2: bit of news. Actually there's three bits of news, but

579
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 2: this is a second bit of news for the Patriots.

580
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 2: It does sound to me like we are going to

581
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,360
Speaker 2: get out there on Wednesday or even on Tuesday when

582
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 2: the veterans reported, and we probably have some access press

583
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 2: conferences things like that. It sounds like Matthew Judon's going

584
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 2: to be here. Now is he going to be holding

585
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 2: in that that's a separate conversation, but he's probably gonna

586
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 2: be here. He obviously is underpaid at six point five

587
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 2: in base another million, and you know active per game

588
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 2: roster bonuses and how the Patriots structure the deal. No

589
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 2: guaranteed money, right, there's no guaranteed money. But if he's

590
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 2: on the team. He's on the team, right, you know,

591
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 2: so's his base salary is going to be essentially guaranteed

592
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 2: because he's going to make the fifty three man roster.

593
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: Right.

594
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 2: Okay, you're saying, yeah, now, the active per game roster

595
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 2: bonuses there if he's healthy, that's that's where the guaranteed

596
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 2: money comes in or the lack of So he's underpaid,

597
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 2: there's no question about that. We can get into the

598
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,479
Speaker 2: conversation of well, he was kind of paid before this, right,

599
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 2: you know, they gave him the contract up front, they

600
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 2: gave him a raise last year. But there's really three

601
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 2: ways they could attack this. And I'll save the one

602
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 2: that I think they're going to do for last. The

603
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 2: first one is obviously to offer him an extension that

604
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 2: he accepts. Right Reportedly, they've offered him an extension already

605
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 2: and he didn't accept the offer, So they could offer

606
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 2: him an extension that would tack years onto his current deal,

607
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 2: signing bonus, all that kind of stuff. Matthew Judont gets paid.

608
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 2: He's a happy camper. Option number two is to see

609
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 2: what's out there in the trade where world's apart on

610
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 2: the contract. He's not going to be a part of

611
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 2: the team's future. I think that's fair to say that, yes,

612
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 2: he is currently the best player on the roster, but

613
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 2: at the same time, he's thirty one years old going

614
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 2: into thirty two. He's probably not going to be here

615
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 2: for the next great Patriots team. So maybe it's best

616
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 2: to look to move him in a trade. But I'll

617
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 2: come back to that one in a second. The third one,

618
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 2: which is what Mike Reeves floated in his Sunday notes

619
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 2: this week, and usually when Reese floats these things, it's

620
00:28:58,880 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 2: somewhat informed.

621
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: You pay attention.

622
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:08,719
Speaker 2: It's some sort of incentive package or raise for just

623
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 2: this season. The incentive package obviously is not guaranteed money,

624
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 2: but we should note that because he only played four

625
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 2: games last year, they can give him an incentive package

626
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 2: that's super easy for him to hit the thresholds. That

627
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 2: help is more team friendly in terms of how the

628
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 2: cap space works out. Like, for example, they could make

629
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 2: an incentive package that's like, you're gonna play forty percent

630
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 2: of the snaps, right, because last year he only played

631
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 2: thirty I'm making that up. I don't know the exact number.

632
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: But it's definitely under forty.

633
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, last year you appeared in four games. This year,

634
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 2: we're gonna give you an extra two million bucks if

635
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 2: you appear in five, right, Like those little things are

636
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 2: what's qualified as not likely to be earned because he

637
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 2: didn't do it last year, So that doesn't hit your

638
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 2: cap right away. He has to play, you know, earn

639
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 2: has earned that right pay as you play, but it's

640
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 2: super easy for him to earn it. So that's what

641
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 2: that would be. The Belichick mechanics would be, here's this

642
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 2: incentive package that more likely than not, you're gonna hit

643
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 2: at least ninety percent of this, so you're probably gonna

644
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 2: get an extra four or five million bucks. But just

645
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 2: to give the team some security. If you blow out

646
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 2: your ACL in the first week of the season, then

647
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 2: we're not going to pay you the extra five million bucks.

648
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 2: It's a tough way of doing business, but that that's

649
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 2: the way that you do it to be fair to

650
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Speaker 2: both sides. Yeah, so I would think that that's probably

651
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 2: where we're headed with this. Maybe that does include a

652
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 2: couple million dollars up front, guaranteed, and then an incentive

653
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 2: package tacked onto that. The extension doesn't really seem to

654
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 2: make a whole lot of sense to me because of

655
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 2: his age and because of where they're at, and going

656
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 2: back to the trade, the best time to trade him

657
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 2: would probably be at the deadline, because that's.

658
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: The best time to trade him was before the draft, right.

659
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 2: But that is so now the best time to trade

660
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 2: him is probably at the deadline where you might get

661
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 2: a contender that's saying we are a Matthew Judah away

662
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 2: from winning the Super Bowl and we can get that

663
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 2: for him. Now you start to also get a little

664
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Speaker 2: bit of like a market thing going. Maybe you get

665
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 2: some competing offers, you have multiples, and now all of

666
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 2: a sudden, you have a better offer on the table.

667
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 2: I feel like that's probably when you could maximize his

668
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 2: value in this situation. So, long story short, I feel

669
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 2: like Matthew Judon's on this team week one. My guess

670
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 2: is that it's probably some sort of incentive raise for

671
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 2: this season and then they say, hey, go test free

672
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 2: agency next year. Maybe you know, go do your thing.

673
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 2: But where do you stand with the Matthew Judon?

674
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with a lot of what you said

675
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: that the one year bump makes more sense than the

676
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: extension on the trade, though I agree he's probably he

677
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: has more value with the deadline if he's playing. What

678
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: they can't have happen is the stuff on Gilmore kind

679
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: of sit situation where he's you know, was Gilmore hurt?

680
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: Was he holding out? It was never really clear, but

681
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: the point was like nobody had seen him on the

682
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: field after an injury, so it was value dropped. I'm

683
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: with you on trading Jude On at the deadline, but

684
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: he has to be playing for that to happen, so

685
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: you at least have to do something to get him

686
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: on the field. And I know there's conflicting information out

687
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: there right now. Will he play under his current contract?

688
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: Really not? Yeah, I don't see why he would. I

689
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: wouldn't blame him for that. I don't see why he would.

690
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: But you have to get him on the field at

691
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: some point. If you're going to trade him at the deadline,

692
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: if you can't get him on the field, you have

693
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: to trade him before roster cuts.

694
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair. That's a good point. The reason why

695
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 2: I like the deadline trade and I'm not saying that

696
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 2: they necessarily have to do it at all, But the

697
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 2: reason why I like the deadline trade option or that

698
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 2: that's kind of in your back pocket, is because that

699
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 2: also gives you seven or eight weeks to see what

700
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,959
Speaker 2: kind of team you have, Right if all of a sudden,

701
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 2: I don't think this is gonna happen, but out of

702
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 2: nowhere there are, all of a sudden the playoff contender.

703
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: They're the Red Sox.

704
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 2: If they're the Red Sox and they're overachieving and suddenly

705
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 2: they're in the wildcard mix, well now you don't need

706
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 2: to trade them. You don't want to trade.

707
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: Them, No, you're absolutely right. I'm just saying, but that's

708
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: not gonna happen if he's not on the field, right, right,

709
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: So that's fair. There's that other element. I don't think

710
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: he's gonna hold out, But is it another one of

711
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: these hold in kind of things like that's if he's

712
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: not going to play for you, don't hold on to

713
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: him till the deadline.

714
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that bad feels like a given that this is

715
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 2: gonna be if he doesn't. If we don't find out

716
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 2: on Monday or Tuesday of next week when he's back

717
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 2: in town that he's signed some sort of raise incentive,

718
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 2: one year deal, whatever, then then I'll even give him.

719
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: I know what the guy can do, be out there

720
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: for the first day of pads if he wants to

721
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: take it easy the first few days of camp while

722
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: they're ironing things out. That's essentially the football equivalent of

723
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: ice breakers you do on the first day of school.

724
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: As long as he's out there for the first day

725
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: of pads, I'm good, fair.

726
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 2: Enough, all right, Last bit of news here. Then we'll

727
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:03,959
Speaker 2: take some calls in some emails. Eight five to five

728
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 2: PATS five hundred is the phone number. Web Radio Patriots

729
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,439
Speaker 2: dot com is the email address. Last bit of news

730
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 2: here for the Patriots. Kaishan Boody, yep, Kaishan Boody. His

731
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 2: charges dropped in this underage gambling situation that he had

732
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 2: down in Baton Rouge, Louisiana during his time at LSU.

733
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 2: So charges dropped. Obviously, good for Kaishan Boody personally, yep,

734
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 2: good for him that the charges were dropped. But more importantly,

735
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 2: and I should mention this is just because the legal

736
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 2: charges are dropped, doesn't mean that the league is going

737
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 2: to overlook it.

738
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: Like the league, what can the league do?

739
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 2: The league can suspend you even if you're not in

740
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 2: the court of the law. You're found not guilty.

741
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,720
Speaker 1: Oh no, we know that. Yeah, we of all people

742
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: know that. But yeah, all right, fair enough.

743
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:53,240
Speaker 2: So they the league is hyper hyper sensitive to gambling,

744
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 2: right for a good reason. Now, the the one thing

745
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 2: Kaishan Boody has going for him in this situation that

746
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 2: this was in college, so he wasn't in the NFL

747
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 2: yet when this happened.

748
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: I think he was still betting for like a week

749
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: after he was drafted. But yeah, pretty much he hadn't

750
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: played in an NFL game yet, right, So that's one

751
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: thing he has going for him.

752
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 2: But we saw what happened with other instances. We just

753
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 2: talked about Calvin Ridley, like we've seen what's happened in

754
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 2: other instances, the league is going to come down hard

755
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 2: on people with this gambling thing. They're in bed with

756
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 2: the gambler, the gambling companies, you know, DraftKings, things like that.

757
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 2: They're going to come down hard on these athletes that

758
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 2: are gambling on sports, so or on football at least,

759
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 2: so that that's still ongoing, that that could be a

760
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 2: situation still for him, but for all intents and purposes,

761
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 2: as clear as the way for him to just compete

762
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 2: for a roster spot without any extra baggage, which for

763
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 2: Kaysehan Boody, you that's what you need. Because if you're

764
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 2: going to be the sixth receiver on this team, but

765
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 2: the Patriots know that your lawsuit is not looking good

766
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 2: for you off the field, then it's going to be

767
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 2: harder to keep you around over some of the other options.

768
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 2: So his legal situations clear, But more importantly, are you

769
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 2: buying there's a lot of Kaishan Booty hype. Maybe it's

770
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 2: just there's a lot. Maybe it's just like Twitter, you know,

771
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 2: Jeff Thomas I stuff.

772
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: Literally just gonna say, we're approaching Jeff Thomas territory. Good,

773
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: Paul Evan, that could be what it is, right, Jeff Thomas.

774
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 2: It could easily be like the DC Defenders or something

775
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 2: like that.

776
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: Saint Louis Battlehawk's you're close. Good job you knowing spring Ball,

777
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: hey go every once in a while.

778
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 2: So I don't think he played though we're we're in

779
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 2: that territory. But I would just love to know. And

780
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 2: I'm not being I know people think I'm being sassy,

781
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 2: like I'm not trying to be a snarky like call

782
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 2: in email and tell me like, what what have you

783
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 2: seen from Kaishan Booty that and not his freshman season

784
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 2: at LSU, because.

785
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: That was but that's that. It's that in the slant

786
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: against Green Bay.

787
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 2: So his freshman season at LSU is what twenty twenty,

788
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one.

789
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was twenty one. I don't think he was

790
00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 1: there with Chase.

791
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: So this is we're going on four years since we've seen.

792
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:07,479
Speaker 1: That guy, since we've seen that guy consistently. You see

793
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:12,439
Speaker 1: him in flashes like again and it's it's minor. Yeah,

794
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: but he took that slant to the house against Green

795
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: Bay last year and the in and it was twenty twenty.

796
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: By the way, I'm not saying you're wrong.

797
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 2: So in twenty I think we are now in twenty

798
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 2: twenty four, and the hope this is how starving we are.

799
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: For That's what it comes down to. What you just

800
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: said is the way the guy, the pedigree the guy

801
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: had coming out into the NFL, which he did like

802
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: that was true. Fair the pedigree he had coming in,

803
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: and you see these little flashes and Patriots fans are

804
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: just so desperate for that top end receiver talent that

805
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: they see that they latch on. I understand it, but

806
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: he needs to do it more consistently. It's not gonna

807
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 1: matter if he doesn't do it on a regular basis.

808
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 2: And can I have not seen him do that.

809
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: Can he do it? I mean it's possible, but like

810
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: it's not, you know, he's got to actually do it.

811
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: It's not, it's not it's it's easier said than done. Yeah,

812
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: but I will now that the Chargers are dropped, I

813
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: will put him in that second bubble group we've talked

814
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: about with with Rager, Juju and Thornton.

815
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

816
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: I don't think it's unfair to put him in that

817
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 1: group that if there's a sixth spot or somebody gets

818
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: hurt and there's a fifth spot, he should be in

819
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: the mix. With those guys. Let me ask you this seven, Yes,

820
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: most least likely to make the roster in fact in

821
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 1: factor in everything, ability, age, contract, experience, YadA, YadA, YadA.

822
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: Those four most to least likely to make the roster.

823
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 2: Sarah doing, Thornton, Juju, Booty and uh Rager least likely. Well,

824
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 2: you can go most the least ort least to most.

825
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,919
Speaker 2: I know you like to rank your lists, so there

826
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 2: you go. Least I would say is Taekwon Thornton.

827
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 1: I'm actually with you. I put Booty ahead of Thornton.

828
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,720
Speaker 2: Because he's had so many chances.

829
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: And what does he give you that those other guys don't.

830
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe a little bit more speed than Rager, but

831
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 2: but it's marginal, right, and he's had so many chances,

832
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 2: and contractually he's the easiest to.

833
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:16,959
Speaker 1: Cut, no guaranteed money.

834
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I would say it's Taekwon Thornton. Yeah, Kaishawan

835
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 2: Boody yep, Jalen Rager yep, Juju.

836
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: So I'm almost with you. I think Rager is the

837
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: most likely to make the team because of what he

838
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: gives you on special teams, because he gives you a

839
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: speed element, sneaky effective blocker that's gonna matter for receivers

840
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 1: this year.

841
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 2: I actually agree with you from all those standpoints. The

842
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 2: one thing that we have to think about, though, is

843
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,399
Speaker 2: that if you want to cut Juju Smith Schuster, then

844
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to go upstairs to the owner's office

845
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 2: and say I need twelve million dollars to cut.

846
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 1: Jujus they can trade him, and then it becomes like five.

847
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 2: I think like seven.

848
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: I think they can trade.

849
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 2: Him maybe if if a team gets some injuries at

850
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 2: that position or something like that, it's possible.

851
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: Or just the Chiefs existing as they exist.

852
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, well the Chiefs have they brought in Hollywood. They

853
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 2: brought in Xavier Worthy, Like those guys are gonna have

854
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 2: to that's going to be there.

855
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: Those are deep threats. They need a chain mover.

856
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 2: Doesn't Travis Kelcey their chain movem.

857
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: Tas Kelsey does, like everything fair enough.

858
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 2: I I'm with you for the most part on that list.

859
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 2: I think the money is what puts it over the top.

860
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 2: I don't think I know the money is the only

861
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 2: thing that puts it over the top. To me, for

862
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 2: Juju to.

863
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: Be the least if he's here, that's why. It's because

864
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: they don't want to pay to cut him. Yeah, but

865
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: but I I just they have all that cap space

866
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: just sitting there again.

867
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 2: I just still feel like we need to see something

868
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 2: more out of kish On Booty before I before I

869
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 2: got the Booty fever, all right.

870
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: It just that's fair he had in the spring.

871
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 2: It's the exact same thing that we've seen from him

872
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 2: throughout his entire NFL career so far. He had one

873
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 2: good practice towards the end of spring of the spring,

874
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 2: and all due respect, he was going out there and

875
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 2: he was mossing like Mikey Victor, right, and and you

876
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 2: know these types of guys, and we're out there and

877
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 2: we're saying, oh, you know, you had four or five

878
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 2: catches good practice. Then will go a week and we

879
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 2: won't talk about Keshan Booty, you know, and then it'll

880
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 2: flash again. So yeah, there are flashes, you're right. I

881
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 2: just don't know if that adds up.

882
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: A lot of players can flash. A lot of players

883
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: can flash. It's about being able to do it consistently.

884
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: So so we're I do think he's moved. Like before

885
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: the charters were drop, I was just kind of looking

886
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: at him as a camp body, like he's here to

887
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: round out the roster. He's a step above that now yea.

888
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 2: So we're in agreement though, just because this is a

889
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 2: hot button topic with the receivers. The locks right now

890
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 2: on the team Pop Douglas, yep, the two rookies obviously

891
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 2: Polkin Baker are he put it well born?

892
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: Whether assuming health yea health.

893
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 2: If he's available, board's.

894
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: Either gonna be on the team or on ir like,

895
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: he's gonna be here. Yeah, And where are we with

896
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: kJ Osborne putting him in the lock or he's like

897
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 1: a step bull. I still don't have a term for

898
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: this near lock. I in my mind I say verbal

899
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 1: commit because that's a college football reference. But of course

900
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: I put him in that same tier with like a

901
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: guy like Austin Hooper or a guy like Alex Austin

902
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: where unless one things go very poorly for him and

903
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: two things go exceptionally well for somebody else, Yeah, he's

904
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 1: going to be here. I know he had some drops

905
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: in the spring. I get that wasn't some drops last

906
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: year too. Yeah, but he can get open. He's if

907
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: you do move on from Juju, it's a young room.

908
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: You need some experience in there. You do want experienced

909
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: players and it's born in him. And if Bourne's not

910
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: ready to start season, that's it, right. So I and

911
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: they they gave him to your point with Juju, like,

912
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: it's what is it, three and a half million, it's

913
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: or three point one three and a half down the drain, like,

914
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 1: they gave him the kind of money you give a

915
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: guy that you intend to make a part of the

916
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: football team. Yes, so I think he's.

917
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:10,280
Speaker 2: Here, agreed. So you have the four loss yeah, Pop Douglas,

918
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 2: the two rookies and born in some capacity.

919
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: Yeah.

920
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 2: Then you have a next tier, which is I think

921
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 2: just kJ Osbourne on his own. Yes, of this middle tier,

922
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 2: let's call it near lock just for this conversation. And

923
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 2: then you have a third tier right below that, which

924
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 2: is the bubble, which is what we just went over, Rager, Juju, Thornton, Booty.

925
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,479
Speaker 1: And those guys aren't just competing with each other, they're

926
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: also competing that. Then now you're into the at large

927
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: roster spot. Those guys are competing with guys like Jaheim Bell,

928
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: guys like Antonio Maffi, guys like Isaiah Bolden and.

929
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 2: All your fringe roster all right, Yes, and that's why

930
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 2: to go back to the Booty News with the with

931
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 2: the off field stuff. That's why it's so major for

932
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 2: him is because he needed to he needs to just

933
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 2: make the roster because he's one of the best receivers

934
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 2: in camp. He's got to make it out right as

935
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 2: an at large, as one of the best five or

936
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 2: six receivers in training camp, to the point where the

937
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 2: Patriots say, this guy's too good for us to move

938
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 2: on from him. And in order to do that, you

939
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 2: need to have a straight line like that's, you know,

940
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 2: a Jack Jones situation where we have this thing hanging

941
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 2: over our heads over here. It becomes a little bit

942
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 2: more complicated for him.

943
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: And then I do think, I mean, whoever gets that

944
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: spot and needs play special teams and he did a

945
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 1: little bit in the spring. I'll be watching more closely

946
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: to see next week if he's out there in the

947
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: kicking game.

948
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's gonna be a tricky part of this is

949
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 2: that he doesn't play special teams Rager. Assuming he's the

950
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 2: one that makes the team, he's obviously a special teams guy.

951
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 2: And then you also have the potential of Osbourne. I

952
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 2: don't know if he's ever played a ton of special

953
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 2: teams in his career.

954
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 1: I haven't looked this up, but I can tell you

955
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 1: right now, I'll check the numbers. I think he did

956
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 1: like his first year or two, and.

957
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 2: It seems like he for a guy that was not

958
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:00,760
Speaker 2: very heralded coming out and really kind of has paved

959
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 2: his way in the league from nothing. You probably played

960
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 2: a little bit in.

961
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: The cause his first year he was a forty eight

962
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: percent usage guy, played a little bit the next year,

963
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: and then he became part of like the regular receiver

964
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: rotation in twenty two.

965
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 2: So yeah, all right, we're gonna open it up now, hey,

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Speaker 2: of the New England Patriots. All right, Anthony's been holding

976
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 2: on for a while, Anthony, if you're still there, thanks

977
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 2: for hanging on.

978
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: How you doing, Anthony?

979
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 2: Anthony? All right, we might have left him on hold

980
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 2: too long. Any calls back and we'll get you on

981
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 2: the air. And we got a few emails too. Kyle

982
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 2: here from Pembroke. He asks, what's the matchup that we

983
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 2: are most looking forward to seeing in training camp? You know,

984
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 2: like dB versus a receiver, O line, D line? I

985
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 2: have one? Do you have one? Off the top of

986
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 2: your head?

987
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: You go first? I got a couple. Anything about it?

988
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 2: Jalen Polk versut Christian Gonzales heavyweights. Put him in the

989
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 2: center of the ring, right, I mean, you want to

990
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 2: see if Jalen Pol can hang in the NFL, you

991
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 2: might as well put him against your best corner, see

992
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 2: what he can do. You go back to that camp

993
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, and I hate to always

994
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 2: continuously pick on to kill Harry, but here we go.

995
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 2: Remember when Nikil Harry started to get hot a little bit.

996
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 2: I think it was like his second or third training camp.

997
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 2: Turned out it was Juwan Williams also just wasn't an

998
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:44,479
Speaker 2: NFL player.

999
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: That was for years every year in camp he would

1000
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 1: dominate Juwan Williams and we'd be like, oh, Nikhil, Harry's

1001
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: turned to corner and then it's just Jawan Williams.

1002
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 2: Right, So let's see Jalen Polk, Jayvon Baker, I'll throw

1003
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 2: him in there too. Let's see him against Gonzo, John Jones,

1004
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 2: even Alex At this point, you know actual NFL cornerbacks

1005
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 2: that are gonna be playing on Sundays, and let's let's

1006
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 2: see what they can do. Not the udfa is and

1007
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 2: the guys.

1008
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: All right, I'll give you a trenches one, all right,

1009
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: but this is I mean, it's nothing new. Mike O

1010
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: and Winn who Christian Barmore? Those are That's probably your

1011
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: two best players, right, two best players both got new contracts.

1012
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: Those are foundational core guys. That's gonna be a tone setter.

1013
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: That's gonna be one of the ones where because when

1014
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: you get in those one on ones, everybody's watching, and

1015
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: the offensive players and defensive players they're keeping count, right,

1016
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: how many did we win? How many did they win?

1017
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: That's gonna be a big one. You're gonna see that

1018
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: huddle get a little more juiced up when it's those

1019
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: two guys in the one on ones there. So that'll

1020
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: be fun because there's gonna be some weight to it.

1021
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: I mean we've seen it before. We've seen it for

1022
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: what three years now, four years now, but there's gonna

1023
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: be some weight to that.

1024
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, good point. All right, Anthony is back, so let's

1025
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:53,280
Speaker 2: see if you can get them on. And what's up, Anthony?

1026
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: You hear me? Nope, there's something up with the phones man.

1027
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe it's the we're gonna go to go ahead,

1028
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 2: got you here? Still working out the news studio?

1029
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 1: We got you?

1030
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so it might be a little loud. I

1031
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 3: am at work. How are you guys doing today?

1032
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 2: Good?

1033
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 3: So I like kJ Osborne. We have to see how

1034
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 3: he plays out. Also with Drake May and Jacoby Brissett,

1035
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 3: we kind of have to wait to see if obviously

1036
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 3: we know how Jacoby is, but we have to wait

1037
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 3: to see if Drake May has the ability to elevate

1038
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 3: other receivers, because without knowing that, I mean, I don't

1039
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 3: think we go out and, you know, try and get

1040
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 3: top receiver. I mean, look at the Texas. They don't have,

1041
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, Nico Collins is good, Tank Dell

1042
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:45,439
Speaker 3: is good, but before they weren't you know that wide

1043
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 3: receiver one caliber, we thought that they were going to

1044
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 3: be and they just I mean, they looks phenomenal before

1045
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 3: you know, Tank Dell's injury. But I think we have

1046
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 3: to wait to see if Drake May has that elevation

1047
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 3: factor before we go and you know, trade off first

1048
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 3: for Ayyuk where you know we could get that tackle,

1049
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 3: more protection for him, you know, maybe even another tight end.

1050
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 2: So yeah, fairpoint, Anthony, Thanks for the call. Sorry, but

1051
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 2: all the technical delays there, so fair point.

1052
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: Right.

1053
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 2: If you don't know what you have with Drake May yet,

1054
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 2: it's more difficult to make this trade. But it is

1055
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 2: a little bit of like a chicken or the egg, right,

1056
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 2: because you could maybe foster Drake May into a better

1057
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 2: player if he has a Brandon Nyuk to throw to.

1058
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 2: But I hear what Anthony is saying where he's coming

1059
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 2: from with that, and I cooleheartedly agree with his point

1060
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 2: about the Houston Texas. This is something that has grinded

1061
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 2: my gears a little bit that we hear about with

1062
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,919
Speaker 2: the Oh, the Texans, they had such a better roster

1063
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 2: than where the Patriots are at right now.

1064
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 3: In c J.

1065
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 2: Stroud's rookie season, I remember and I'm I'm putting my

1066
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 2: hand up because I think I was probably one of

1067
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 2: these people. I remember the opening preseason game here last

1068
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 2: year Houston Texans Patriots.

1069
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 4: C J.

1070
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 2: Straud was out there for the first series or two

1071
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 2: I believe it was for the Texans. Christian Gonzalez went

1072
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 2: one on one against Nico Collins in that game for

1073
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 2: a large chunk of that game, and when he did that,

1074
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 2: a lot of people said to themselves, Oh, but it's

1075
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 2: just Nico Collins right, right, Like, let's see what he

1076
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 2: does against AJ Brown, Let's see what he does against

1077
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,879
Speaker 2: Garrett Wilson, right some of the first couple guys. I'm

1078
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 2: just thinking of that off the top of my head.

1079
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 2: In the beginning of that schedule, Nico Collins was not

1080
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 2: thought of in a tier that was like, oh, we

1081
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,320
Speaker 2: can stamp Christian Gonzalez now, because nobody thought Nico Collins

1082
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 2: could play. And then it turns out that c J.

1083
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 2: Stroud is a dude, Nico Collins also pretty good player,

1084
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 2: and now suddenly Nico Collins is maybe not the best

1085
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 2: receiver in football, but he's a top twenty receiver probably

1086
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 2: in the NFL based off his production last year. Point

1087
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 2: being a lock and change when you put the quarterback

1088
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 2: in there that can play. Tank Dell was a Day

1089
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,760
Speaker 2: two pick, right, second round. I want to say Jalen

1090
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 2: Polk was also a second round up, but yeah, you know,

1091
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:03,280
Speaker 2: Jayvon Bak, jal Jalen Polk, those guys all of a sudden,

1092
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 2: Tankedell last year was probably the best rookie receiver in

1093
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 2: football before before he got hurt.

1094
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: Yep, and c J.

1095
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 2: Stroud comes in. Tankdell's a monster. Now Tanked is a

1096
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 2: good player, but that comes out of nowhere.

1097
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,720
Speaker 1: And none of those guys, sorry, none of those guys

1098
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 1: going into the season you looked at and said that

1099
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: dude's gonna be a problem. Right, they did. They You

1100
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: didn't think of any of their receivers as like Tuesday

1101
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 1: Morning receivers, and not that any of them were overwhelmingly,

1102
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 1: but like you didn't look at that group as having

1103
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: the kind of impact it did going into the season.

1104
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, so a lot could happened. Now the Texans

1105
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,439
Speaker 2: were in a different spot. They had the second first

1106
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 2: round pick, so they had Will Anderson added to that.

1107
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: Too, already had a left tackle.

1108
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 2: They had the left tackle that was a big one.

1109
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 2: Now the rest of their line had some questions the

1110
00:51:54,360 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 2: line besides uh right, But in theory, I don't think

1111
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 2: it there. I don't think they were worlds apart from

1112
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 2: where the Patriots are.

1113
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 1: It's the same neighborhood. I don't think they're on the

1114
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: same street. But it's the same neighborhood.

1115
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 2: Fair enough, all right. Alexander has a good question, good

1116
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:18,439
Speaker 2: scheme question for it. So he said that since there's

1117
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 2: a lot of questions about how the personnel fit the

1118
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 2: wide zone run scheme, do you think it would be

1119
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 2: possible to pair the passing game that AVP wants to

1120
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,959
Speaker 2: run with a run scheme that fits the personnel better.

1121
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 2: So like, can you marry the AVP play action package

1122
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:38,280
Speaker 2: with a gap run scheme instead of an outside zone

1123
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 2: bootleg you know, move the pocket type of offensive system

1124
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 2: like run system. I guess the best way to put it,

1125
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 2: really good question. The biggest thing I would say is

1126
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 2: that historically speaking, the Patriots have play action with the

1127
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels offense. Their play action was aimed to hit

1128
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 2: like the intermediate level of the field. They wanted to

1129
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 2: pull a guard, lead a full back, get those linebackers

1130
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 2: to step up into their fits and then they were

1131
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 2: going to hit those crossing routes or those teams right

1132
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 2: by their ear right, like that was the point.

1133
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: Of that eight to twelve yard right at the sticks.

1134
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, this offense, and I looked this up yesterday. Actually,

1135
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 2: the Browns last year were seventh in the league and

1136
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,879
Speaker 2: air yards per attempt they were a bombs away type

1137
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 2: of offense.

1138
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: Do you know, I'm curious or do you know if

1139
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: PFF has it'll look really quick air yards per attempt

1140
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: off play action.

1141
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 2: I couldn filter it for that. I did not. This

1142
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 2: was just strict play action, and I would honestly are

1143
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 2: strict just raw data. I would also be curious to

1144
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 2: see what that was like with Joe Flaco versus with

1145
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 2: Deshaun Watson or some of their other quarterback actually people,

1146
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,359
Speaker 2: because that would I think change the number significantly. Point

1147
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 2: being they were at I think as a team overall

1148
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 2: seventh in the league eight point six yards per air

1149
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,800
Speaker 2: yards per pass attempt, which means that they they wanted

1150
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 2: to chuck it like they're not trying to just pull

1151
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 2: the linebacker and hit like a little eight yard in

1152
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 2: cut right off play action. They're trying to hit the

1153
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 2: deep post they're trying to hit the deep over route,

1154
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 2: they're trying to hit the crossing route. They're not necessarily

1155
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 2: trying to do what the Patriots were doing with McDaniel's

1156
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 2: circa twenty twenty one, where they're trying to just hit

1157
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 2: those intermediate routes. So can it work so well?

1158
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 1: First off, the A dot for Flacco is nine point one,

1159
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: the A dot for Watson was nine. Okay, similar, nearly identical.

1160
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:31,760
Speaker 1: I'll find the maybe.

1161
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:33,760
Speaker 2: Got there a little bit differently, but similar.

1162
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll try to find the play action a second,

1163
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: but I mean it it canon. Look Alex dand Pelton.

1164
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 1: This is one of the things, maybe the thing I

1165
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: was most excited about when they first hired him was

1166
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: he was talking a lot about Yeah, we have I

1167
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 1: have my concepts and I'm paraphrasing here, I have my

1168
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,359
Speaker 1: concepts I want to run, but we need to run

1169
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 1: what our players can run, right. We need to tailor

1170
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 1: this to our players having success, So it can be

1171
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: you can't, you can't. There's a way to do. It's

1172
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: maybe a little different than the email described, at least

1173
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: to me, this is more your area of expertise. But

1174
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: in my mind, I'm thinking like you'd have to tailor

1175
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 1: the passing game a little bit. Like you could, you'd

1176
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: be working under the same philosophy, But you couldn't just

1177
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: run these same designs they ran in Cleveland with a

1178
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 1: gap run game. It wouldn't have the same effect because

1179
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,439
Speaker 1: the whole point is the whole point of play action,

1180
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: the run, in the pass up to the point where

1181
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: the quarterback pulls that ball. It has to look exactly

1182
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 1: the same. So if you're gonna run gap, it's not

1183
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 1: gonna look the same as running is running outside zone.

1184
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 1: So you could still I mean, you can bootleg off

1185
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: of gap run play action. We've seen teams do that,

1186
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: but that's not what Alex man Pelt was doing. It's

1187
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: a little bit different. It's a it's a nuanced enough

1188
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: of a change that if he's really serious about what

1189
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: he's saying that we need to run what our personnel

1190
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:06,479
Speaker 1: can do, he probably could do it. But I also

1191
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: wonder if he looks at the we don't know what

1192
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: the offensive line is, maybe he has a combination in

1193
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 1: mind that can run outside zone better. So it's it's

1194
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: not impossible. I don't know that it's the first option though,

1195
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: If that makes sense.

1196
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 3: So.

1197
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 2: Just to I you know, to try to quickly put

1198
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 2: this together. So the biggest thing with this scheme that

1199
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 2: they want to do, you know, play auction passing in

1200
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 2: general is all about displacement, right, You're just trying to

1201
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 2: get the defenders out of the passing lanes of where

1202
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 2: you're trying to throw the football duh, right, by using

1203
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:41,760
Speaker 2: a fake, a misdirection whatever. With this outside zone scheme,

1204
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 2: what they're trying to do is they're trying to get

1205
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 2: the defense to flow to one direction to the field

1206
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:48,720
Speaker 2: and then they're going to flip the point of attack.

1207
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 2: So that creates a foot race where you should theoretically

1208
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:56,240
Speaker 2: have a head start right because the defense is flowing

1209
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 2: to its left, everybody's going in that direction. Then you

1210
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 2: bootleg and now they have to change directions, whereas everybody

1211
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 2: on the offensive side of the ball is moving in

1212
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 2: the right direction, at least the receivers are. The offensive

1213
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,839
Speaker 2: line might not be, but the receivers are. So that's

1214
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 2: what creates this misdirection chaos. That is what this scheme

1215
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 2: thrives on. The couple of different things that they did

1216
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 2: in Cleveland recently last year, particularly where they ran a

1217
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 2: little bit more gap. They ran a lot of counter right,

1218
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 2: so you're pulling to kick out the edge. That still

1219
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 2: creates a little bit of that sort of stretch action

1220
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 2: if you will. And they also ran a lot of

1221
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 2: toss right. If you run like a cracked toss play,

1222
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 2: then you can obviously fake the toss going outside and

1223
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 2: then bootleg out the backside of it the same way.

1224
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 2: So there's ways to do it, and the route concepts

1225
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 2: I think will hold up if they want to do

1226
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 2: it that way. But that's not the tenet of the system, like,

1227
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 2: that's not the foundation of it. But I think that

1228
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 2: they can do it. The biggest thing that they have

1229
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 2: to figure out to me from the passing game standpoint

1230
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 2: is are they going to have the downfield receiver that

1231
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 2: is either going to eat up one single high coverage

1232
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 2: on his own or is gonna at least make that

1233
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 2: safety respect that he's going deep right now. That's gonna

1234
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 2: be easier said than done, because I don't know if

1235
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 2: they have that guy on the roster. That's where that

1236
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 2: true X receiver comes into you, you hope. So if

1237
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 2: you need to have a guy that or Kendrick Born,

1238
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 2: if you leave him singled out there on an island.

1239
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 2: He's gonna torch single coverage all day long. Or again,

1240
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 2: you're gonna occupy that deep safety and that's going to

1241
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 2: open up the underneath stuff. So if they can do that,

1242
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 2: then they can run it in different ways. But I

1243
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 2: still feel like they're they're better suited to run gap,

1244
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 2: but this system is better suited to operate with wide zone.

1245
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 2: So it's gonna have to be some sort of marriage

1246
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 2: in the middle. Right, they're gonna have to figure out.

1247
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: I don't remember why we wanted it, but you the

1248
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: A DOT depths am unqualified quarterbacks. Yes for the Browns

1249
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: last year, Yes, Joe Flacco. Now, granted they have a

1250
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 1: much more limited sample size than some other guys. Joe

1251
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: Flacco was fifth in the NFL last year among qualified

1252
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 1: quarterbacks on playaction A DOT. He was eleven point five

1253
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: one point five yards per attempt, and then Shaun Watson

1254
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: was ninth at ten point seven.

1255
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 2: So I knew it.

1256
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 1: The only the only guys that were higher are Will Levis.

1257
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 1: Will Levis and Ryan Tannehill were one and two. Yep

1258
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 1: in Tennessee. Uh, Tommy DeVito, Oh, he doesn't qualify SORR.

1259
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:31,439
Speaker 1: He shouldn't be on there, justin Fields and Desmond Ritter.

1260
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 2: I just remember watching all that Browns tape.

1261
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 1: Over Shrouds up there too.

1262
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 2: Bet in January when they made this higher that is

1263
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 2: Joe Flacco was bombing.

1264
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: It eleven and a half yards per attempt on play action.

1265
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 2: Joe Flacco was not trying to hit the drag route

1266
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 2: at three yards.

1267
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 1: Joe Flack was in longtime listening to the show. We'll

1268
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 1: get this. Joe Flacco was in full training camp. Ryan

1269
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: Hoyer mode, Oh yeah, he was yoloing it out there

1270
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 1: one hundred. All right, Cody and Charlotte has a good question.

1271
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 1: I mentioned the Fowler lists earlier in the show. We

1272
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 1: were talking about Brandon Aiyuko again was tenth among league

1273
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 1: executive rankings at wide receiver. The Patriots did have some

1274
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 1: mentions and honorable mentions. Only one player and he's asking,

1275
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 1: you know, take a moment to discuss the lists. Only

1276
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 1: one player made the top ten. That is a New

1277
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:28,919
Speaker 1: England Patriot. That's Kyle Duggar. He was eighth among safeties. Yeah,

1278
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 1: Christian Barmore got an honorable mention. Snub Miken went who

1279
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 1: received votes at guard interior offensive line. Yep, here I

1280
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 1: can pull up the rest of them, and the one

1281
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 1: that came out to Henry get votes.

1282
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 2: No, he might have received votes here that I haven't

1283
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 2: written dat, But the one that came out today, here

1284
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 2: we go, all right? Ramandre received votes? Yeah, bar more

1285
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 2: honorable mention. Matthew Judon received votes. Kyle Dugger eighth among safeties,

1286
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 2: Jabriel Pepper's received votes. Hunter Henry received votes. Mike Godwenu

1287
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 2: at Interior offensive Line received votes. And one came out

1288
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Speaker 2: today in the email I'm taking his word for it,

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01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 2: said that Christian Gonzales received votes. That corner.

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Speaker 1: Good for him. Yes, after off a month off, a month,

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01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 1: well a month to get think about who he faced like?

1292
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 1: He made the most out of the month, right, he

1293
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 1: was fantastic. Here will sent Tyreek kill Ceedee Lamb was there?

1294
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 1: Oh in the Eagles? Was he on AJ Brown in

1295
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 1: that game? I don't remember smith A J. Brown. Yes,

1296
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 1: talk about a freaking month for that guy.

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01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 2: Yep. So that was where the Patriots have made it usually,

1298
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 2: and if I have time tomorrow, I'll do this. Sometimes

1299
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 2: I go in like great at all thirty two teams

1300
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 2: and to see where the Patriots rank overall in the list,

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01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 2: I'll try to do that tomorrow. But the the biggest

1302
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 2: thing out of all of this is, you know, not

1303
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 2: a whole lot of actual top ten players at their positions,

1304
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 2: which is not too surprising given the state of the

1305
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 2: roster and where we're at. And I also think that

1306
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 2: there's a couple of snubs that we could discuss as

1307
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 2: well that didn't make even received votes on these lists

1308
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 2: that I was pretty surprised about. But what is your overall,

1309
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 2: I'm not surprised at all.

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01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 1: This is where they're I think a lot of people

1311
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 1: are surprised by own Winnu. I wonder if he didn't

1312
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 1: get votes simply because some of the voters were considering

1313
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 1: him as a tackle. Yeah, and like didn't vote for

1314
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 1: him on Interior because they didn't consider that his position.

1315
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 1: So not surprising, I'm actually, I mean, I'm pleasantly surprised

1316
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 1: by some of it. Like, you know, how big of

1317
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 1: a fan I am of Jabrill Peppers and I think

1318
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,959
Speaker 1: he's been totally overlooked, So for him to receive votes

1319
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 1: I think is good. Yeah, Gonzales too off just a

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01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 1: month wow?

1321
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 2: Yep, So yeah, Gonzalez, I don't know if I see

1322
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 2: him here? Oh, actually he didn't just receive votes, he

1323
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 2: got an honorable men.

1324
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 1: Wow. Good.

1325
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 2: All right, So here's the write up from Fowler before

1326
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 2: his season came to an early end due to his

1327
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 2: shoulder injury. Gonzales impressed with one interception, two pass breakups,

1328
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 2: and one quarterback hit in four games. Here's a quote

1329
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 2: from an anonymous AFC executive. I'd have him really high

1330
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 2: had he not gotten hurt last season. A stud All right?

1331
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 2: So I mean anonymous a AFC executive who was Elliott

1332
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 2: Wolf No, I'm just kidding, Evan. I don't know who

1333
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 2: it was. That's why it's anonymous.

1334
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 1: How many times were we sitting here last year in

1335
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 1: the spring saying, if they can draft Christian Zalez, you

1336
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 1: know they need to tackle, We know they need a receiver.

1337
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 1: Think draft Christian Zalaz. You sprint that card up to

1338
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:21,240
Speaker 1: the table.

1339
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 2: That was one that you me deuce, Like everybody that

1340
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 2: gets super nerdy into the draft and loves the draft

1341
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 2: that that covers the team that I talked to on

1342
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 2: a regular basis, it was like, yeah, we're talking about

1343
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 2: Zay Flowers, We're talking about Broderick Jones. And then everybody

1344
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 2: would pause and say, but if Christian Zalez is on

1345
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 2: the board. That's the guy I'm taking. It was a

1346
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 2: consensus that, for the first time in my time covering

1347
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 2: the team that Bill actually was an agreement on, which

1348
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 2: was crazy.

1349
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 1: And then and then we came back to the level

1350
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 1: last year when nobody could agree on a single thing.

1351
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 1: We were at each other's throats. But yeah, no, it was.

1352
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 1: We didn't talk about him a lot, simply because I

1353
01:03:58,280 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 1: remember being like, we're not gonna spend time on this

1354
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 1: guy because he's not gonna be there. That was the

1355
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 1: only part of it we got wrong.

1356
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 2: This was a classic draft teardown of Christian Gonzales and

1357
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 2: it was mostly from what I understand, it was mostly

1358
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 2: about his personality and the fact that he was a

1359
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 2: little bit quieter and didn't really have that like alpha.

1360
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 2: But I think what made the Patriots unique in their

1361
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 2: evaluation of him is that they had Stefan Gilmour here

1362
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 2: who was a very similar temperament, very similar quiet But

1363
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 2: when you actually listen to Stefan Gilmore talk, he was

1364
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 2: incredibly confident, almost cocky.

1365
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 1: I've told this story. I don't know I've ever told

1366
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 1: this on the air or like our first year, right,

1367
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 1: we were covering them. Yeah, and my job was to

1368
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 1: be with the camera and shoot the scrum and I'd

1369
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:44,800
Speaker 1: get way in the back because it wasn't very good

1370
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 1: at it, and like I couldn't hear him, and everybody's

1371
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 1: always saying, oh, man, he's the swager. I'm like, the

1372
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 1: guy doesn't say anything. Yeah, And then one time I

1373
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 1: got up in the front. It was before I don't

1374
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 1: remember who they were playing, but they were playing a

1375
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 1: team like a very good receiver, and he like, somebody

1376
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 1: ask him, what do you think of face? This guy goes, yeah,

1377
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 1: I can handle him, and like he just tears the

1378
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 1: guy down. I'm like, oh, that's what he's been saying

1379
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:07,439
Speaker 1: this whole time.

1380
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow. Yeah. I had some great conversations with Gilmore

1381
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 2: when he was on the team, and he he really

1382
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 2: walked that walk like he wasn't allowed voice like a

1383
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 2: tylaw or something like that. That was boisterous with it.

1384
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 2: But when you heard him talk, you could tell that

1385
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 2: he had it. And I feel the same way about

1386
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 2: Gonzalez that when you listen to him talk, he's he's

1387
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 2: someone that's like, yeah, I got this. You know, I

1388
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 2: can go up against Garrett Wilson two times a year,

1389
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 2: no problem, you know that sort of thing. I think

1390
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:40,520
Speaker 2: what blow me away about Gonzales too, out of all

1391
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 2: the things that he did in that first month when

1392
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 2: he and he was great his second half against Miami

1393
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 2: and Tyreek Hill, that shocked me because of his build

1394
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 2: and like he's lankier and he's what six two sixty three.

1395
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 2: I knew that he was going to be a good

1396
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 2: match up against Garrett Wilson, AJ Brown, Ceedee Lamb like

1397
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 2: those types of receivers. I did not know he had

1398
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 2: the burners to stick with the guy like Tyreek Hill, Like,

1399
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 2: I didn't know he had that in his And I

1400
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:10,520
Speaker 2: know he ran well, but Tyrek, there's running well, and

1401
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 2: then there's Tyrek Hill, right, And the fact that he

1402
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 2: was able to go out there and go stride for

1403
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 2: stride with Tyreek Hill told me that, Okay, now he

1404
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 2: can cover anybody like any type. Like I'm talking about

1405
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 2: body types right, like small, quick, fast guys, shifty guys,

1406
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:31,520
Speaker 2: speed guys like Hill, bigger, you know, specimens like AJ Brown.

1407
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 2: That's what makes a number one corner elite and that's

1408
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 2: where he's headed. So yeah, cool, cool shout for Gonzo

1409
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 2: on the honorable mention list, so the Patriots had quite

1410
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 2: a few. The one snub I wanted to mention, I

1411
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:49,120
Speaker 2: was pretty surprised that Jwan Bentley got no recognition whatsoever

1412
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 2: amongst softball linebackers. He is one of the best at

1413
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 2: what he does in terms of that position. And I

1414
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 2: understand that the league is trending towards the Fred warners,

1415
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 2: and everybody wants linebackers that can cover in space and

1416
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 2: that can drop and things like that, and that's not

1417
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 2: Juwan Bentley's game. But if you're looking for a true

1418
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 2: three four stack linebacker that can just take on guards

1419
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 2: and meet pollers in the hole and stand up guys

1420
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 2: and make tackles on his own and condensed space or

1421
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 2: compress space and almost be like another essentially take another

1422
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 2: gap on the line of scrimmage and just be like,

1423
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 2: we can take this gap out of the equation because

1424
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:31,520
Speaker 2: we have a two hundred and fifty pounds hammer coming

1425
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 2: from the second level. That's Jawan Bentley. I feel like

1426
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:37,440
Speaker 2: he's a little bit still underrated across the league. So

1427
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 2: I was pretty surprised because a lot of the times

1428
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 2: with these types of executive lists, like those guys do

1429
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 2: watch film and like they're actually not looking at like

1430
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 2: PFF grades or something like that that maybe the AP

1431
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 2: voters and things like that pay attention to. I was

1432
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 2: a little surprised that Jawan Bentley got no love. Like

1433
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that he should have been rated in

1434
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 2: the top five, but like he couldn't receive a vote,

1435
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 2: you know, and we still have like Bobby Wagner's corpse

1436
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 2: is still receiving votes, and like Jordan Brooks and Russian

1437
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:06,479
Speaker 2: Harris and like some other guys that I just felt

1438
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 2: like he deserved to be in that conversation.

1439
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, he took tremendous strides last year, and maybe it's

1440
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:14,439
Speaker 1: each year, really each year, but like last year felt

1441
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 1: like a really big jump or really two years ago,

1442
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 1: I guess. But maybe it's just some of that, you know,

1443
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:21,080
Speaker 1: the old associations with them. But he was one of

1444
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 1: the better linebackers in football last year.

1445
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like the people that don't study him

1446
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:28,680
Speaker 2: a ton are still in that belief that he's got

1447
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:31,840
Speaker 2: he's a plotter. He's not. He doesn't cover And no,

1448
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:34,760
Speaker 2: I'm not telling you that if he gets matched up

1449
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 2: against Christian McCaffrey on an island in Man coverage that

1450
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:39,640
Speaker 2: it's gonna end well for the Patriots. Like I'm not

1451
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:42,640
Speaker 2: saying that, but in terms of zone drops and like

1452
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 2: understanding his spatial awareness and things like that, he's gotten

1453
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:49,560
Speaker 2: a lot better, especially off play action of like recovering

1454
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 2: to his landmarks and things like that, and coverage to

1455
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 2: the point where he's now serviceable in that area. And

1456
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:57,640
Speaker 2: he's such a plus run defender and Blitzer that the

1457
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 2: fact that he's just serviceable and drop cover means that

1458
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 2: he's an above average at least linebacker. So I was

1459
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 2: a little bit surprised there. All right, let's get back

1460
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 2: to the phones. Patty is an ago on what's up?

1461
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:12,519
Speaker 2: Patty can Hey, hey, good, what do you got?

1462
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:14,080
Speaker 3: Well?

1463
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 4: Our team may not be championship caliber, but as I

1464
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:19,920
Speaker 4: like to say, the talent on Patriots dot com is

1465
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 4: next level championship tent.

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01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 1: Thank you appreciate that.

1467
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 4: So I got just a couple couple of guys I

1468
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:28,720
Speaker 4: wanted to bring up and get your opinions on number one,

1469
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:32,559
Speaker 4: Jalen Rager. I see a lot of projections of him

1470
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 4: making the team just based on special team value, but

1471
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:36,599
Speaker 4: I thought we were going to be moving more away

1472
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 4: from that. And can a guy like Isaiah Bolden pretty

1473
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 4: much do if he can prove that he can return kicks,

1474
01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 4: can he just do the same thing and he probably

1475
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 4: has a much higher feeling as far as like playing

1476
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 4: and being part of that cornerback group. And the second

1477
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 4: guy I wanted to bring up was Marcellus dial Back.

1478
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 4: In two thousand and three, the Pats drafted Eugene Wilson

1479
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 4: out at Illinois, and after a week one when they

1480
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 4: got blown out by Buffalo, with Antoine Harrison back at

1481
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 4: free safety, they decided to take the cornerback that they

1482
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 4: took and convert him to free safety. Could you see

1483
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:12,760
Speaker 4: something like that happen with style? And that's all I

1484
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 4: got and I'll take it. I'll take it off there, guys.

1485
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for the call, Patty. So question number one

1486
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:20,559
Speaker 2: on Jalen Reger, it's a fair point that if he's

1487
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 2: really only going to contribute just on special teams, you know,

1488
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 2: does he have the value to make the roster. I

1489
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 2: would just say that out of this group, let's take

1490
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 2: assume and I know this is an assumption, but let's

1491
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:33,600
Speaker 2: assume Taekwon Thorin is an odd man out here and

1492
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 2: he's not making the team, somebody offensively on first down

1493
01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 2: needs to be able to run a nine route and

1494
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 2: have some sort of speed to him, right, Like, someone's

1495
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 2: got to be able to run by somebody on this offense.

1496
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:46,760
Speaker 2: Javon Baker in theory might be able to add a

1497
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:48,680
Speaker 2: vertical element to it, but it's going to be more

1498
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:51,720
Speaker 2: of that run down the field, go above the rim,

1499
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 2: you know, DeVante Parker style. Vertical element hopefully better, but

1500
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:59,439
Speaker 2: that sort of skill set A contested catch guy, he's

1501
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:01,439
Speaker 2: not going to run by anybody at four or five

1502
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 2: right in the NFL. So Jalen Rager's value on offense

1503
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 2: is that outside of pop who's you know, inside guy

1504
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 2: and more of that gadget, you know, jitterbug, he's got

1505
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 2: some vertical speed to him that if Taekwon's not here,

1506
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 2: someone's got to bring that element to the offense.

1507
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:22,800
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, It's it's not just special teams. It's like

1508
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 1: that's what puts him over the top. And when we

1509
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 1: talk about the papers being less invested in special teams,

1510
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 1: we're talking about you know, like the the the Nate

1511
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:32,880
Speaker 1: Ebners of the world, like the guys that only play

1512
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:34,120
Speaker 1: in the kick and get me love one or two

1513
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 1: guys like that, like you know, Brendon Schooler, but kick

1514
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:39,640
Speaker 1: returns different with the new kickoff rules, Like having a

1515
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:43,439
Speaker 1: dedicated kick returner is important. Yes, Isaiah Bolden could compete

1516
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 1: for that, but the reality is if they're not like it,

1517
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:49,559
Speaker 1: then you go back to the not special teams thing. Okay,

1518
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 1: they're both capable kick returners. You're gonna keep a guy

1519
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:56,040
Speaker 1: because he's a kick returner. Jalen Ragers higher up the

1520
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:59,160
Speaker 1: depth chart at his position, then Brandon Bolden isn't his.

1521
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:01,280
Speaker 1: That's not a knock on Brandon Bolden. There's just so

1522
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 1: much talent a corner, whereas the wide receiver room is

1523
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 1: kind of just a crowd of guys all on the

1524
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:11,000
Speaker 1: same level for the most part. So that's that's more

1525
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 1: what it comes down to. To his second point, real quick,

1526
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 1: before we actually get into it, I googled Eugene Wilson

1527
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:17,880
Speaker 1: because I was gonna say the big difference is Eugene

1528
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 1: Wilson was a second round pick. Eugene Wilson's son is

1529
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:23,000
Speaker 1: playing college football at Florida.

1530
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:26,719
Speaker 2: We are old, Okay, Well, last night, all right, yesterday

1531
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 2: I checked in on the Celtic Summer League.

1532
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:33,839
Speaker 1: Oh no, who I know Eddie House is Eddie the Celtics.

1533
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 1: You didn't know that.

1534
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:37,880
Speaker 2: I mean I probably did at one point, but to

1535
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 2: actually see Eddie House's son playing basketball for the Celtics,

1536
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 2: I hung it up. I was just like, that's it,

1537
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 2: Like we're officially old. It's over. Like let's just accept it.

1538
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:53,679
Speaker 1: And move on. But Marcello's dityle. He could play some safety.

1539
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:55,639
Speaker 1: I think there's a couple guys that are gonna shot

1540
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 1: him Bolden. I think those guys are all going to

1541
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:00,840
Speaker 1: get a shot to play some safety because there's more

1542
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:02,800
Speaker 1: of a need there than a corner and do what

1543
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:05,040
Speaker 1: you can to make the team. I don't know about

1544
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:07,000
Speaker 1: week two putting him back there. I don't know that

1545
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:08,680
Speaker 1: he has that kind of experience, but I wouldn't be

1546
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:10,840
Speaker 1: surprised if we see him try that a little bit

1547
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 1: in camp. And the more you can do, the more

1548
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 1: you can do, the better chance you haven't made the team.

1549
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:20,240
Speaker 1: So if Dial comes into camp and plays corner decently

1550
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 1: and proves he can play safety, that gives him an

1551
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:26,679
Speaker 1: edge over maybe guys like like Mikey Victor who doesn't

1552
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:27,920
Speaker 1: project as much of his safety.

1553
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:30,639
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I when I talked to some people about

1554
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 2: Marcella's dial after they drafted him. They they hesitated with

1555
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:37,760
Speaker 2: saying that he would convert to safety just because they

1556
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:39,160
Speaker 2: feel like he can make it in the league as

1557
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:42,320
Speaker 2: a corner and they want to start. They recommended starting

1558
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:46,120
Speaker 2: him at corner before he had but to the safety point.

1559
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 2: He got his hands on a lot of passes in college.

1560
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 2: He had a crazy amount of pass breakups in college.

1561
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 2: So he has a you know that magnet for the ball,

1562
01:13:57,040 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it, you know, ball hawking,

1563
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:02,559
Speaker 2: you know, all skilled type of trade. So that could

1564
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 2: lend itself to some safety. I could see it. He's

1565
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 2: got some ability there. But I do think that they

1566
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 2: would like to see him at corner first before moving

1567
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 2: him back to safety. Didn't see him a ton in

1568
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:16,200
Speaker 2: the spring because he was banged up with something. So

1569
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 2: it'd be interesting to see what he looks like come

1570
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:20,639
Speaker 2: training camp. All right, Tyler is in the Bay Area.

1571
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 2: What's up, Tyler?

1572
01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 3: Hey, what's going on?

1573
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 5: Tell us? Just got a question about the newer gime

1574
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 5: and since Mayo's taken over. I know the personality is

1575
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:31,639
Speaker 5: a lot different than good old BB, but I'm sure

1576
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 5: the players can kill that too and do you think

1577
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 5: it'd be like a little more loose cannon and on

1578
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:39,479
Speaker 5: like the media and social media and even on the field.

1579
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:43,000
Speaker 2: I'll take that off there, thanks guys, Thanks Tyler. I

1580
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:44,800
Speaker 2: would say a little bit. I mean, I don't want

1581
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:46,880
Speaker 2: to go overkill with this, and I think some people

1582
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 2: have taken it a little bit too far. Like, for instance,

1583
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:52,120
Speaker 2: a bunch of the Patriots receivers were working out with

1584
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 2: Route god Let down in Florida, and everybody was like, Oh,

1585
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 2: this would never happen with Belichick. This happened. It happened

1586
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:03,040
Speaker 2: all the time. It happened all the time that players

1587
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 2: went out and had gurus, you know, technique coaches, whether

1588
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:11,559
Speaker 2: it was yeah. I mentioned in the mail bag this week,

1589
01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 2: Tom Brady started working with Tom House in twenty thirteen

1590
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:19,840
Speaker 2: or twenty twelve because his Martinez coach, Martinez passed away.

1591
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:23,760
Speaker 2: That was his original quarterback whisper. When he passed away,

1592
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:26,760
Speaker 2: he started working with Tom House like over a decade ago.

1593
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:28,760
Speaker 2: You know, he was with on the Patriots for like

1594
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:32,080
Speaker 2: eight years. While working with Tom House in the off season,

1595
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:36,000
Speaker 2: I remember Stefan Gilmour worked with dre Bli a lot

1596
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 2: in the off season down in the Carolinas. We know

1597
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 2: about footworking, right, we know plenty about footworking. Mac Jones

1598
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:46,439
Speaker 2: had coached, you know, he had his own quarterback coach

1599
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:49,720
Speaker 2: that he worked with, So yeah, that stuff has been

1600
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:51,800
Speaker 2: going on for a ton of time. There's also the

1601
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 2: name is I'm blaking on the name right now, but

1602
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:58,040
Speaker 2: some of the Patriots pass rushers were working with the

1603
01:15:58,120 --> 01:16:01,519
Speaker 2: coach as well recently, you know, Josh with Oocha Judean,

1604
01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:04,479
Speaker 2: they had a coach that was working with them.

1605
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 1: I can't remember, I know who.

1606
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 2: You're talking like a past rush specialist type of coach.

1607
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:12,600
Speaker 2: Offensive line guys, you know, the Duke Manny Weathers of

1608
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:14,200
Speaker 2: the world. You know, like this has been going on

1609
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 2: for forever. So is it maybe a little bit more

1610
01:16:17,479 --> 01:16:20,639
Speaker 2: publicized now, I would say yeah, But I think that's

1611
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:22,920
Speaker 2: only just because social media is a bigger deal now

1612
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:25,320
Speaker 2: than it was. Like these guys are trying to you know,

1613
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:28,919
Speaker 2: make brands and make you know, social media followings for themselves,

1614
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 2: So with that a bit different. You know, when these

1615
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:34,760
Speaker 2: guys are working with these people five ten years ago,

1616
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:37,600
Speaker 2: and now that everybody's got social media and everything is

1617
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:41,120
Speaker 2: isn't it's important to drive up engagement, like maybe they

1618
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:43,400
Speaker 2: would have been posting Tom House and Tom Brady working

1619
01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:46,240
Speaker 2: together in twenty fourteen, like you know, who knows, it

1620
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:48,519
Speaker 2: just wasn't as big of a deal. So I don't

1621
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:51,880
Speaker 2: necessarily think that that's true that that wasn't going on

1622
01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:54,280
Speaker 2: with Belichick. I just think times are a little bit

1623
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:58,880
Speaker 2: different and it's a little bit more publicly accessible nowadays. Yeah,

1624
01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:03,560
Speaker 2: all right, let's get into my my sneaky questions, my

1625
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:07,320
Speaker 2: burning questions here for training camp. I got six of them.

1626
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:09,120
Speaker 2: We have thirty minutes to go through six of them,

1627
01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 2: so it would be a little bit quicker than I

1628
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:13,760
Speaker 2: was planning. But that's okay. So, uh, these are not

1629
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 2: weds Drake Megan a start, you know, these are not

1630
01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 2: left tackle or how a panic meter, right, Like, this

1631
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:25,479
Speaker 2: is just stuff that I tried to dig a little

1632
01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:28,280
Speaker 2: bit deeper, not too deep, a little bit too deeper

1633
01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:31,479
Speaker 2: my first question. And the more I think about the

1634
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 2: offensive line, this to me is maybe the biggest thing

1635
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 2: that they need to decide early on in training camp

1636
01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:41,800
Speaker 2: is Mike on Win who a garter tackle? We have

1637
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 2: to pick a lane and I know they paid him

1638
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:46,679
Speaker 2: like a tackle and the plan according to Elliott Wolf

1639
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:48,800
Speaker 2: and girod Mayo is to play him at tackle? The

1640
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:51,040
Speaker 2: heck the plan to Mike on win Who was to

1641
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 2: remember back in the spring, he talked to us and

1642
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:55,479
Speaker 2: he told us that he was planning to start the

1643
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:58,479
Speaker 2: year at right tackle. Pick a lane with mike on

1644
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:00,400
Speaker 2: win Who, because you can't really put the rest of

1645
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:03,800
Speaker 2: the pieces of the puzzle together without knowing if he's

1646
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:05,559
Speaker 2: gonna play right tackle or the right guard. Because if

1647
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:08,519
Speaker 2: he's gonna tackle, then it's getting Laden Robinson ready, It's

1648
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 2: getting Nick Leverett ready to start the year at right guard.

1649
01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:14,120
Speaker 2: If he's a guard, then it's getting Kaden Wallace ready

1650
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:17,280
Speaker 2: to play right tackle. So where is mike on win

1651
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 2: Who playing? That's number one on my list. They got

1652
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:22,040
Speaker 2: to figure that out early. They have to pick a

1653
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:22,880
Speaker 2: lane right with that?

1654
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:27,160
Speaker 1: Yeah? Uh? And to talk about the rest of the

1655
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:29,560
Speaker 1: offensive line competition like that's all gonna be dictated on

1656
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 1: where Michael and went who plays. Are we're going to

1657
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:34,479
Speaker 1: have a competition at right tackle? It's like Kayden Wallace

1658
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 1: and Tyrone Wheatley. Are we gonna have a yeah? Right tackle?

1659
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:40,360
Speaker 1: Is there gonna be a guard competition? Like? What's he

1660
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 1: has to be the first Domino to fall. They can't

1661
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:44,960
Speaker 1: figure this all out at once. It's gonna have to

1662
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:48,240
Speaker 1: happen in stages, and that needs to be assuming they're

1663
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:50,479
Speaker 1: locked on keeping chookes the core four it left tackle,

1664
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:53,400
Speaker 1: and that's just a development thing and not a battle thing.

1665
01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:55,920
Speaker 1: The first domino to fall is where's michaelhen win In.

1666
01:18:56,080 --> 01:19:00,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I've been steadfast that that I believe that

1667
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:04,400
Speaker 2: Mike on Winno is a guard. And maybe he comes

1668
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:07,679
Speaker 2: in on Tuesday and Wednesday and I get my wish

1669
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 2: because if he's gonna play tackle, I don't want him

1670
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:12,160
Speaker 2: playing tackle at three hundred and thirty five three hundred

1671
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 2: and forty pounds. I would like to have thought or

1672
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:17,960
Speaker 2: hoped that in this offseason they would have had him

1673
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 2: trimmed down a little bit to be a little bit

1674
01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:22,160
Speaker 2: more sleeker, a little bit lighter on his feet, to

1675
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:25,320
Speaker 2: play outside on a regular basis. So maybe he comes

1676
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 2: in on Wednesday, first day of practice, and we look

1677
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:28,840
Speaker 2: at Mike on winn and we're like, all right, yeah,

1678
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:32,280
Speaker 2: he's looking a little spell. Not trying to thattch him anybody,

1679
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:34,680
Speaker 2: But that's not how he looked in the spring. He

1680
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:37,080
Speaker 2: looked like the same Mike on Winnoo that we've seen

1681
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:39,040
Speaker 2: for the first three or four years of his career.

1682
01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:42,800
Speaker 2: So I still feel like his body type fits at guard.

1683
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:45,400
Speaker 2: I still feel like schematically he fits best at guard.

1684
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:50,560
Speaker 2: And as we've seen with the guard market, who's the

1685
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:55,000
Speaker 2: guy Minernez right, i'ms saying it right now, Quinnmaneer's right.

1686
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:56,400
Speaker 1: No, it's Quinn Miners. Quinn Miners the.

1687
01:19:57,080 --> 01:20:01,680
Speaker 2: Belly, the belly, Yeah, big Senior Bowl breakout guy. He

1688
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:06,040
Speaker 2: just got twenty million, I want to say, like eighteen million.

1689
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:06,600
Speaker 1: No.

1690
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:08,719
Speaker 2: I think on when who was eighteen, he was almost

1691
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 2: close to twenty million dollars a year from the Denver Broncos.

1692
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:15,600
Speaker 2: So Mike on win who even at guard, is no

1693
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:18,800
Speaker 2: longer a top five paid guard right in the league.

1694
01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:21,759
Speaker 2: So I don't think that his contract for a premium

1695
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 2: starter at the guard position is totally out of whack

1696
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:26,920
Speaker 2: for him to play there. Like I think that was

1697
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:29,599
Speaker 2: a concern for some people was well, oh, you paid

1698
01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:31,760
Speaker 2: him at tackle and now you're gonna now it's it's

1699
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:34,840
Speaker 2: bad asset management to now pay play him at guard

1700
01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:38,000
Speaker 2: at that number. If you look at the league number,

1701
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:41,880
Speaker 2: the going rate now for like a premium tackle like

1702
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:47,719
Speaker 2: somebody that makes Jeremy Valor's list, for example, is eighteen

1703
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:50,080
Speaker 2: to twenty million dollars, which is exactly where Mike on

1704
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 2: win Who is. So that contract's looking pretty good right

1705
01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:57,640
Speaker 2: about now, by the way, after the Bellies contract that

1706
01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:00,840
Speaker 2: came through. But point being, you can pay Mike on

1707
01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:02,880
Speaker 2: Window the money he's making and playing at guard and

1708
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:06,160
Speaker 2: you're not. That's not out of whack like your your

1709
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:08,400
Speaker 2: contract table all of a sudden isn't blown up because

1710
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:10,880
Speaker 2: he's making tackle money and playing guard, and then he

1711
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:15,360
Speaker 2: could obviously kick outside to tackle if all hell breaks

1712
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:17,360
Speaker 2: loose like it did last year and you need him

1713
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:19,800
Speaker 2: to play tackle. He's got that ability. He's got that

1714
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 2: ability to play outside. So I'm still Mike on Wenny

1715
01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:26,040
Speaker 2: right guard. That's where I'm at, But we'll see where

1716
01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:26,479
Speaker 2: we get to it.

1717
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:28,760
Speaker 1: I'm kind of coming around to it just because if

1718
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:31,080
Speaker 1: I like Ken Wallace at right tackle and that they

1719
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 1: just need to figure out their best five, and if

1720
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:34,800
Speaker 1: that's what it is, I get it. I still think

1721
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 1: there's more value in him playing tackle, But you gotta

1722
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:39,760
Speaker 1: get this thing blocked this year if you're gonna put

1723
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:40,519
Speaker 1: Rake May out there.

1724
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:44,280
Speaker 2: Yep, all right, number two. We've talked a lot about

1725
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:48,920
Speaker 2: Jalen Polk, Yep, jayvon Baker, We've talked a lot about

1726
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:56,960
Speaker 2: the bubble Rager, Booty Thorton, Juju, even Osbourne. Are we

1727
01:21:57,479 --> 01:22:03,080
Speaker 2: sleeping a little bit on Pop Douglas? Are are? Yeah?

1728
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 2: Are we sleeping a little bit on Pop Douglas?

1729
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:07,760
Speaker 1: I don't think I am. I could. It's he's tough

1730
01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:10,439
Speaker 1: because the question with him is in football related, it's

1731
01:22:10,479 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 1: can he stay healthy?

1732
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:11,839
Speaker 2: It's terribility.

1733
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:13,880
Speaker 1: He's just a smaller guy and he looks like he

1734
01:22:14,439 --> 01:22:18,280
Speaker 1: booked up a little bit. But if he's healthy, I

1735
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:20,160
Speaker 1: think he can be a thousand yard receiver. I don't

1736
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:23,240
Speaker 1: think that's out of the question. If he's healthy, right,

1737
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:26,800
Speaker 1: And that's you can't really do that in camp. Like

1738
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:30,559
Speaker 1: he's healthy till he's not. There's no there's no exs

1739
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:32,519
Speaker 1: and o's to it. He's just he's healthy till he's not.

1740
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:34,599
Speaker 1: And we'll see how that one plays out. Like there's

1741
01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:36,840
Speaker 1: things he can do. Does he do a better job

1742
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:38,720
Speaker 1: of protecting himself this year? I think, and this is

1743
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:41,479
Speaker 1: common for a lot of young players, like he needs

1744
01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:42,920
Speaker 1: to do a better job of learning when it's time

1745
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:45,000
Speaker 1: to just give up on the play. Yeah, Like, don't

1746
01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:48,320
Speaker 1: let a great play become a bad play because you're

1747
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:50,439
Speaker 1: trying to do a little too much, whether that be

1748
01:22:50,479 --> 01:22:54,599
Speaker 1: a turnover, an injury, or whatever. But I I don't

1749
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if sleeping on him is the right word.

1750
01:22:56,240 --> 01:22:58,680
Speaker 1: I think it's just I don't want to go too

1751
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:01,240
Speaker 1: all in because, like, he's not a guy. I hope

1752
01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:03,400
Speaker 1: he plays seventeen games, but I don't think he's one

1753
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:05,880
Speaker 1: of those guys you can like count on for seventeen games.

1754
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:10,240
Speaker 2: It's a fair point. And at five seven in change

1755
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:12,840
Speaker 2: and one hundred and eighty five pounds, I think he's

1756
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:15,240
Speaker 2: actually listed on our website at five eight one ninety,

1757
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:20,679
Speaker 2: which has given him a lot in my opinion, But at.

1758
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:21,920
Speaker 1: That size see hit the combine.

1759
01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:24,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I said, I think it's five to

1760
01:23:24,479 --> 01:23:27,840
Speaker 2: seven in change and like one eighty one eighty five.

1761
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:29,400
Speaker 2: If he is.

1762
01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:33,280
Speaker 1: Five eight one seventy nine.

1763
01:23:33,439 --> 01:23:38,000
Speaker 2: If he's getting you know, one hundred targets, one hundred

1764
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:41,840
Speaker 2: twenty targets, one hundred and twenty five targets going the

1765
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:44,240
Speaker 2: distance at that size with that many, that volume is

1766
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:46,920
Speaker 2: hard and he's going to get a lot of those

1767
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:49,840
Speaker 2: catch and run opportunities too, So he's going to be

1768
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:52,400
Speaker 2: taking hits to the ground also a lot of the time.

1769
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 2: So that's the difficulty. The other difficulty that I have

1770
01:23:55,400 --> 01:24:00,439
Speaker 2: in terms of volume with him is historically speaking, Cleveland

1771
01:24:00,479 --> 01:24:04,000
Speaker 2: Brown's offense, this Shanahan West Coast offense. I shouldn't call

1772
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:06,920
Speaker 2: it Shanahank it's really not, but this Cleveland Brown's offense.

1773
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:11,479
Speaker 2: In order to play on first and second down, you

1774
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:13,840
Speaker 2: have to be able to run block. You have to

1775
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:15,800
Speaker 2: be able to run block like. That's how that's the

1776
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:19,400
Speaker 2: identity right of the team. That's how they establish all

1777
01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:21,519
Speaker 2: of the bells and whistles that they want to run

1778
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:23,920
Speaker 2: in the passing game. That's how they establish all that

1779
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:25,800
Speaker 2: as being able to run. So if you look at

1780
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:31,360
Speaker 2: all these teams across this tree, even you know the Browns,

1781
01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 2: but then also like the Shanahan tree, you know Niners, Rams, Dolphins,

1782
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:39,479
Speaker 2: not really Dolphins, I suppose Packers. A lot of those

1783
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:45,080
Speaker 2: teams have It's Puka, it's Cooper Cup, it's Brandon Nyuk,

1784
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:48,280
Speaker 2: it's Deebo Samuel, it's Christian Watson, it's Romeo Dobbs. Like

1785
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:52,120
Speaker 2: these bigger, thicker receivers, right that can throw their weight around,

1786
01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:54,320
Speaker 2: and they can hang and block in the run game

1787
01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:56,280
Speaker 2: and stick their hat in there at the point of

1788
01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:58,240
Speaker 2: attack and be able to move somebody or at least

1789
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:01,759
Speaker 2: hold their own. If that's the way that they're gonna

1790
01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:04,000
Speaker 2: want to be, Like, if that's their identity as a

1791
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:07,559
Speaker 2: team offensively, then I'm not sure Pop Douglas is gonna

1792
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:10,960
Speaker 2: be in every down player in this offense. That doesn't

1793
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:13,439
Speaker 2: mean he doesn't have a role. I just think that

1794
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:18,240
Speaker 2: his role might be third down, obvious pass like two minute,

1795
01:25:18,479 --> 01:25:20,559
Speaker 2: you know, like that sort of stuff, which is probably

1796
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:22,599
Speaker 2: still going to add up to like sixty sixty five

1797
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:24,880
Speaker 2: percent of the snaps. But if he's not an every

1798
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:27,880
Speaker 2: down player, Like if we're three four months from now,

1799
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:30,600
Speaker 2: we're like we used to do with Kendrick Bourne, Like

1800
01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:33,000
Speaker 2: why is this guy not playing more? My guess is

1801
01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:37,120
Speaker 2: gonna be because at five eight point eighty he just

1802
01:25:37,240 --> 01:25:41,439
Speaker 2: can't block right. And you have guys like Paul Baker,

1803
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:46,639
Speaker 2: Bourne Osbourne, if Juju's here, Like those guys are just bigger,

1804
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:49,800
Speaker 2: thicker players that can stick their ad into a run

1805
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:52,559
Speaker 2: fit and be able to block somebody. That's gonna matter.

1806
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:56,080
Speaker 2: Should it matter? Like do I love that it matters,

1807
01:25:56,280 --> 01:25:59,040
Speaker 2: like not necessarily you know me, you said earlier, I

1808
01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:01,479
Speaker 2: just want to watch people three catch. But that's the

1809
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:03,400
Speaker 2: bottom line is that that type of stuff matters, and

1810
01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:05,680
Speaker 2: that's what makes this system run. That's what makes the

1811
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:08,759
Speaker 2: system go. So you look at teams like again, the Niners,

1812
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:10,960
Speaker 2: the Rams, the Packers, those teams you look at the

1813
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:12,840
Speaker 2: look go look at the receivers that they draft. Like

1814
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:15,439
Speaker 2: Jayden Reid's like maybe the one exception to this. I

1815
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:17,960
Speaker 2: don't know exactly what his measurables are, but he's like

1816
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:20,519
Speaker 2: a little a little bit in that Pop Douglas mold.

1817
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:23,960
Speaker 2: But for the most part, those teams target bigger receivers

1818
01:26:24,120 --> 01:26:27,160
Speaker 2: like we're the I think Puka Nakua is like the

1819
01:26:27,320 --> 01:26:32,080
Speaker 2: dream receiver for McVeigh. Shanahan la Floor, Like that's like

1820
01:26:32,160 --> 01:26:33,120
Speaker 2: the guy that you want.

1821
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:35,800
Speaker 1: Right go out there, get vertical, take a beating.

1822
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:39,000
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, that type of guy. All right, next question

1823
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:44,200
Speaker 2: kind of kind of along those lines. What is the

1824
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:48,280
Speaker 2: ceiling for Jaheim Bell? Because when I say ceiling, I

1825
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:50,120
Speaker 2: am not sitting here saying that he's going to be

1826
01:26:51,200 --> 01:26:53,920
Speaker 2: the number the best tight end in the Ark. George Kittle,

1827
01:26:54,040 --> 01:26:57,960
Speaker 2: thank you. My question war with ceiling. Is is there

1828
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:01,920
Speaker 2: a world where he actually is better than Austin Hooper

1829
01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:05,320
Speaker 2: and he's like the true number two tight end, whether

1830
01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:08,800
Speaker 2: it's tight end, fullback, Swissia, whatever, but he's the number

1831
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:10,080
Speaker 2: two guy behind Hunter Henry.

1832
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:14,240
Speaker 1: Maybe this is getting into semantics. I don't think it's

1833
01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:17,479
Speaker 1: about him being better than Austin Hooper because they do

1834
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 1: different things. Austin Hooper is here to back up Hunter Henry.

1835
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:23,680
Speaker 1: He is here to be a white tight end in

1836
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:26,160
Speaker 1: line or in the slot, take care of the middle

1837
01:27:26,160 --> 01:27:28,240
Speaker 1: of the field, right, things like that. That's what he's

1838
01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:31,360
Speaker 1: here to do. Jahem Bell's not gonna do that. He's

1839
01:27:31,439 --> 01:27:34,400
Speaker 1: not gonna take that role from Austin Hooper, and that

1840
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:37,160
Speaker 1: role needs to be filled. What jahem Bell's gonna do

1841
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:39,000
Speaker 1: all these different He's gonna go in motion, he's gonna

1842
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:41,080
Speaker 1: play as an h back, he's gonna plays a slot receiver,

1843
01:27:41,240 --> 01:27:42,760
Speaker 1: he's gonna play as a full back. He might play

1844
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:45,160
Speaker 1: as a running back. Right, So, the way I look

1845
01:27:45,240 --> 01:27:48,160
Speaker 1: at it is is not can he pass Austin Hooper's

1846
01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:51,080
Speaker 1: the second tight end? Can he prove there is more

1847
01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:53,960
Speaker 1: value in having him on the field to do all

1848
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:57,560
Speaker 1: these different things than using true twelve personnel.

1849
01:27:58,240 --> 01:27:59,000
Speaker 2: Great way of putting it.

1850
01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:02,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, can he do that? I think he can. I

1851
01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:04,719
Speaker 1: don't know that it's likely, but I think it's possible.

1852
01:28:06,040 --> 01:28:09,439
Speaker 2: I feel as though he brings a lot to the

1853
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:12,280
Speaker 2: table that the rest of the people in the room don't,

1854
01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:18,880
Speaker 2: mainly versatility, but also secondary to versatility, explosiveness and ball

1855
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:19,639
Speaker 2: carrying ability.

1856
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:21,960
Speaker 1: Ball in his hands is really where he's gonna.

1857
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:26,720
Speaker 2: So they don't necessarily have the luxury to take explosive

1858
01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:30,000
Speaker 2: playmakers off the field. And this is counter kind of

1859
01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:33,040
Speaker 2: to my Pop Douglas point, but at the same time,

1860
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:37,960
Speaker 2: it's in the same breath where Javon Baker, Pop Douglas,

1861
01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:40,640
Speaker 2: Jaheim Beld some of these younger players that are explosive

1862
01:28:40,680 --> 01:28:43,680
Speaker 2: and can create these chunk plays. They don't really have

1863
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:47,000
Speaker 2: the luxury to take those guys off the field. Because

1864
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:48,439
Speaker 2: they don't they're not gonna get it. There's no other

1865
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:51,920
Speaker 2: sources of that type of offense. So you look at

1866
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:53,479
Speaker 2: the type of offense they want to be. We talked

1867
01:28:53,479 --> 01:28:56,679
Speaker 2: about earlier in the show the bootlegs, the play action passes,

1868
01:28:57,320 --> 01:29:01,080
Speaker 2: so many of those slide routes is or submarine routes

1869
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:03,240
Speaker 2: some people call them, where like the tight end just

1870
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:06,320
Speaker 2: kind of comes across underneath the offensive line and goes

1871
01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:09,120
Speaker 2: across and out the backside of it, and he is

1872
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:11,839
Speaker 2: sort of the check down in the flat for the quarterback.

1873
01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:16,320
Speaker 2: If you get Jahaim Bell on one of those slide

1874
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:19,280
Speaker 2: routes and you get him into a pocket of space

1875
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:22,040
Speaker 2: where maybe he has like an eight yard head start

1876
01:29:22,120 --> 01:29:25,160
Speaker 2: before there's contact, he has that ability to turn that

1877
01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:27,960
Speaker 2: eight yards into twenty five, right, Like he's got that

1878
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:33,160
Speaker 2: physical specimen, ball carrying explosiveness in so many ways, it's

1879
01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:34,960
Speaker 2: like what they should have done with Johnny Smith, right

1880
01:29:35,160 --> 01:29:38,120
Speaker 2: Like it's it's the same thing. This offense fits that

1881
01:29:38,240 --> 01:29:40,960
Speaker 2: so much better than what the old offense did that

1882
01:29:41,240 --> 01:29:43,519
Speaker 2: I feel like there's a really good role for cheam Bell,

1883
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:47,519
Speaker 2: Whereas with Hunter Henry and Austin Hooper, they're just not

1884
01:29:47,720 --> 01:29:50,320
Speaker 2: going to be dynamic like that. They're gonna bring other

1885
01:29:50,360 --> 01:29:51,880
Speaker 2: things to the table. Like Cooper, I think is a

1886
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:54,880
Speaker 2: true why inline blocking tight end, Like I think he

1887
01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:57,840
Speaker 2: can he can dig out people for this hand of

1888
01:29:57,840 --> 01:30:00,120
Speaker 2: the dirt, which is gonna be helpful. Hunter Henry, we

1889
01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:03,120
Speaker 2: know is we're super super consistent and reliable, which is

1890
01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:06,479
Speaker 2: helpful especially to a young quarterback. You want those chunk plays,

1891
01:30:06,520 --> 01:30:09,280
Speaker 2: it's gonna be Jamee Bell. They have that role. You know,

1892
01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:12,000
Speaker 2: Harrison Bryant was basically in that role for Cleveland last year,

1893
01:30:12,040 --> 01:30:15,000
Speaker 2: to be that versatile guy. I have a feeling that

1894
01:30:15,080 --> 01:30:17,360
Speaker 2: Jahane Bell is gonna get a ton of snaps. Like

1895
01:30:17,479 --> 01:30:20,280
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's gonna be ninety percent, right, but.

1896
01:30:20,479 --> 01:30:22,680
Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing you talk about explosive playmakers on

1897
01:30:22,720 --> 01:30:24,439
Speaker 1: the field. The one thing I'll say with him is

1898
01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:31,679
Speaker 1: you can't overdo it because he those guys are outside

1899
01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:34,200
Speaker 1: of George Kittle, who's his own thing. But those sorts

1900
01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:37,559
Speaker 1: of players are usually more effective as change of pace

1901
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:40,479
Speaker 1: players and not the default setting. Yeah, so I look

1902
01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:44,000
Speaker 1: at him, I think, if he's really having a good year,

1903
01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:48,360
Speaker 1: if he like has a productive rookie year and makes

1904
01:30:48,400 --> 01:30:50,320
Speaker 1: an impact, I think a good number you're looking at

1905
01:30:50,439 --> 01:30:52,479
Speaker 1: is like a forty to forty five percent usage R.

1906
01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:56,240
Speaker 1: That's if he's on the field that much, you'd you know,

1907
01:30:56,680 --> 01:30:58,400
Speaker 1: I think you're very happy with what you got out

1908
01:30:58,400 --> 01:30:58,640
Speaker 1: of him.

1909
01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:01,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Pop was the sixth round pick, so

1910
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:03,439
Speaker 2: I guess maybe he was in this category. And I

1911
01:31:03,560 --> 01:31:05,960
Speaker 2: keep comparing the two just because of their day three

1912
01:31:06,040 --> 01:31:09,240
Speaker 2: guys seventh round picks. It's been a minute since I

1913
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:11,000
Speaker 2: felt like this guy's got a real chance not to

1914
01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:13,080
Speaker 2: just make the roster, but like make an impact on

1915
01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:15,800
Speaker 2: this football team. That's where I'm at with Jahem Bell,

1916
01:31:15,880 --> 01:31:18,760
Speaker 2: similar to where I was last year. We were I'll

1917
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:21,600
Speaker 2: give you kudos to that too. With Pop like we

1918
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:24,040
Speaker 2: we saw him at the Shrine Bowl, and I thought

1919
01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:26,120
Speaker 2: that he was going to be a much better player

1920
01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:30,479
Speaker 2: than that sixth round pick status. All right, why don't

1921
01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:33,479
Speaker 2: we wor a defense? Because defense matters? All right, I'm

1922
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:35,599
Speaker 2: not just about offense. Okay, I feel like I get

1923
01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:39,000
Speaker 2: that rap. All right, defense, Come on, you know why? Yeah,

1924
01:31:39,240 --> 01:31:42,200
Speaker 2: I don't really care. No, I'm just kidding. Defense matters.

1925
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:44,280
Speaker 1: Defense win the championships.

1926
01:31:46,160 --> 01:31:49,280
Speaker 2: Get to pound the table for this once again. Marty

1927
01:31:49,360 --> 01:31:58,720
Speaker 2: Mapu linebacker Roster Lock. It's a really good question. And

1928
01:31:59,120 --> 01:32:01,040
Speaker 2: I'll come off the line backing for a second because

1929
01:32:01,120 --> 01:32:04,519
Speaker 2: I know I'm never gonna get that. But Kyle Duggery

1930
01:32:04,680 --> 01:32:08,280
Speaker 2: signs yep to his extension. Tabre Peppers is still here,

1931
01:32:08,360 --> 01:32:13,960
Speaker 2: still here. He is the third safety in that mold

1932
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:18,160
Speaker 2: on this team. He's the third box safety. He's going

1933
01:32:18,240 --> 01:32:20,519
Speaker 2: to be a menace on special teams. Yes, so I

1934
01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:22,719
Speaker 2: believe that he makes a team because of that, because

1935
01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:25,000
Speaker 2: he's going to be a menace on special teams. But

1936
01:32:26,360 --> 01:32:30,200
Speaker 2: we are in a world where Marty Mapu playing on defense.

1937
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:32,439
Speaker 2: I'm trying to find a way to get him on

1938
01:32:32,479 --> 01:32:32,840
Speaker 2: the field.

1939
01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:36,439
Speaker 1: It's tough outside of injuries, is very tough, and like

1940
01:32:36,520 --> 01:32:38,800
Speaker 1: you said, I think he's here for special teams and

1941
01:32:39,040 --> 01:32:41,160
Speaker 1: he may be in a spot next year where we're

1942
01:32:41,160 --> 01:32:42,880
Speaker 1: at with Taekwon Thornton right now, where we're just like

1943
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:45,360
Speaker 1: there's no spot from on the roster and he doesn't

1944
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:47,840
Speaker 1: have any guaranteed money on his contract. Like you see

1945
01:32:47,880 --> 01:32:49,559
Speaker 1: this all the time when there's coaching changes, in front

1946
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:52,200
Speaker 1: office changes, plans change. There was a plan for Marte Mapu.

1947
01:32:52,200 --> 01:32:55,840
Speaker 1: I don't think it exists anymore. And the fact that

1948
01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:58,400
Speaker 1: he was a tweeter to begin with doesn't help. They

1949
01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:01,240
Speaker 1: could use him as a linebacker like lost mac Wilson.

1950
01:33:01,320 --> 01:33:04,439
Speaker 1: I think him being the mac Wilson replacement actually makes

1951
01:33:04,479 --> 01:33:07,040
Speaker 1: some sense. But say on a Taki, Taki's here, and

1952
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:09,320
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna give Ray Quant macmillan another chance too,

1953
01:33:10,040 --> 01:33:12,640
Speaker 1: So you'd have to beat those guys out. I know

1954
01:33:12,720 --> 01:33:15,160
Speaker 1: some people say, can he play the deep safety? Not

1955
01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:17,160
Speaker 1: after we put all that weight on last year, which

1956
01:33:17,560 --> 01:33:25,840
Speaker 1: now totally understandable, So they're just he's he's We just

1957
01:33:25,920 --> 01:33:27,880
Speaker 1: kind of hyped up jem Bell as this tweener who

1958
01:33:27,880 --> 01:33:29,400
Speaker 1: can do all these different things. It's a little different

1959
01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:32,400
Speaker 1: offense defense. But this is the danger with the tweener players.

1960
01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:35,400
Speaker 1: They are fun in theory and if you can execute

1961
01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:39,519
Speaker 1: using them properly, they can be a big boost. But

1962
01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:42,960
Speaker 1: it's easier said than done because they're tweeners for a reason,

1963
01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:47,280
Speaker 1: and it's very they can very quickly go from Swiss

1964
01:33:47,400 --> 01:33:51,519
Speaker 1: army knife to jack of all trades mastering none. And

1965
01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:53,400
Speaker 1: I feel like that's kind of what we're seeing with

1966
01:33:53,479 --> 01:33:56,800
Speaker 1: Marte Mapu, where he was just this raw dove clay

1967
01:33:56,960 --> 01:34:00,439
Speaker 1: and they maybe asked him to do too much the beginning,

1968
01:34:00,479 --> 01:34:02,439
Speaker 1: and he didn't develop in anyone's spot, and he put

1969
01:34:02,479 --> 01:34:04,280
Speaker 1: that weight on, and then he didn't play a ton,

1970
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:07,240
Speaker 1: which maybe stunted his development. And now you're just looking

1971
01:34:07,280 --> 01:34:10,160
Speaker 1: at it, like, what where are we going with this guy?

1972
01:34:10,640 --> 01:34:13,000
Speaker 1: And it's tough to see a clean, clear path.

1973
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:17,840
Speaker 2: It sticks because I think he's athletically gifted at that size.

1974
01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:20,080
Speaker 2: You know, he moves really well for that size. And

1975
01:34:21,200 --> 01:34:22,880
Speaker 2: whether this is a knock on the scheme or not,

1976
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:26,160
Speaker 2: the reality is is that in a different defense, he

1977
01:34:26,280 --> 01:34:29,479
Speaker 2: probably is a linebacker and he's probably got a pretty

1978
01:34:29,479 --> 01:34:32,360
Speaker 2: good chance to carve out a role in the league.

1979
01:34:32,680 --> 01:34:36,280
Speaker 2: Like if he's in that a Seattle three system, if

1980
01:34:36,280 --> 01:34:38,960
Speaker 2: he's in that San Francisco New York Jets, like and

1981
01:34:39,080 --> 01:34:42,120
Speaker 2: he's you know, a light light light light light version

1982
01:34:42,200 --> 01:34:44,040
Speaker 2: of Fred Warner, right Like, if he's like in that

1983
01:34:44,200 --> 01:34:46,840
Speaker 2: type of role, then this is a different conversation. You know,

1984
01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:50,240
Speaker 2: maybe like a it's Quincy Williams right in New York,

1985
01:34:51,120 --> 01:34:53,439
Speaker 2: you know that type of player, right Like, then that's

1986
01:34:53,439 --> 01:34:56,160
Speaker 2: a totally different situation. But that's not how they play

1987
01:34:56,240 --> 01:35:01,280
Speaker 2: defense here. So Marty Mapu to me is right now

1988
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:03,640
Speaker 2: as a man without a job, like, like, what is

1989
01:35:03,720 --> 01:35:07,280
Speaker 2: his role on defense now? The one way I feel

1990
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:10,320
Speaker 2: like he can get on the field. I know that

1991
01:35:10,439 --> 01:35:13,160
Speaker 2: some people are excited that Miles Bryant is gone. Yeah,

1992
01:35:13,160 --> 01:35:15,240
Speaker 2: he's a band of a lot of people's existence. But

1993
01:35:15,439 --> 01:35:20,120
Speaker 2: Miles Bryant left behind almost ninety percent snapshare from last

1994
01:35:20,160 --> 01:35:23,560
Speaker 2: year played a ton played an absolute ton on the

1995
01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:27,640
Speaker 2: defense last year. There is a world where as a

1996
01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:32,680
Speaker 2: nickel big nickel, big dime player that they go in

1997
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:35,479
Speaker 2: a little bit of a different route and Marty Map

1998
01:35:35,560 --> 01:35:38,920
Speaker 2: who is that player? Now, He's not gonna guard receivers

1999
01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:42,320
Speaker 2: like wide receivers, that's a mismatch. But he's proven that

2000
01:35:42,400 --> 01:35:44,519
Speaker 2: he dured down the stretch at times last year that

2001
01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:46,519
Speaker 2: he can guard tight ends. I think he can cover

2002
01:35:46,640 --> 01:35:50,799
Speaker 2: tight ends. Is there a world where he's like playing

2003
01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:52,840
Speaker 2: some in the nickel, you know, some in the in

2004
01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:57,320
Speaker 2: the slot, some at linebacker, maybe in like obvious coverage

2005
01:35:57,320 --> 01:35:59,880
Speaker 2: third situations, like it's third and twelve right and you're

2006
01:36:00,400 --> 01:36:04,320
Speaker 2: trying to get range on the field. Maybe it's a

2007
01:36:04,360 --> 01:36:06,360
Speaker 2: little bit of what Miles Brian was doing. Miles Brian

2008
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:09,360
Speaker 2: ware wore a ton of different hats in this defense.

2009
01:36:09,760 --> 01:36:13,960
Speaker 2: You know, safety, right, slot, corner, you know that type

2010
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:16,880
Speaker 2: of thing. You know, star role. There's a way for

2011
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:19,040
Speaker 2: him to train at the star role that I think

2012
01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:20,880
Speaker 2: that it's not gonna be all the time. Like if

2013
01:36:20,880 --> 01:36:23,120
Speaker 2: you're gonna play a big three receiver team, if you're

2014
01:36:23,120 --> 01:36:25,080
Speaker 2: gonna play a team that's playing a ton of eleven

2015
01:36:25,439 --> 01:36:28,120
Speaker 2: and they have three true receivers on the field. Then

2016
01:36:28,160 --> 01:36:30,200
Speaker 2: you're probably not gonna play Marty Maphu at the star.

2017
01:36:30,439 --> 01:36:32,360
Speaker 2: That's not gonna fit. But if you're playing like a

2018
01:36:32,439 --> 01:36:35,240
Speaker 2: heavy personnel team that's a lot of twelve or early

2019
01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:37,160
Speaker 2: down or you want to play met linebacker in a

2020
01:36:37,240 --> 01:36:40,160
Speaker 2: dime package or something like that, that's probably his best

2021
01:36:40,240 --> 01:36:43,400
Speaker 2: opportunity to get on the field. But that's a very

2022
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:45,680
Speaker 2: very situational role.

2023
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:48,040
Speaker 1: And that's also okay. So he's doing a little bit

2024
01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:50,400
Speaker 1: of everything. That's what that's what we've wanted him to

2025
01:36:50,439 --> 01:36:52,680
Speaker 1: do the whole time. Yeah, and he just hasn't been

2026
01:36:52,720 --> 01:36:55,840
Speaker 1: able to hang in that role. So I feel like

2027
01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:57,840
Speaker 1: that same thing we were saying after the draft.

2028
01:36:58,320 --> 01:37:05,719
Speaker 2: Two more yep, where does Marcus Jones fit in this team?

2029
01:37:06,240 --> 01:37:09,439
Speaker 2: And do you see him being a full time player

2030
01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:13,080
Speaker 2: on defense? Because Pop Douglas a little bit of the

2031
01:37:13,120 --> 01:37:15,400
Speaker 2: forgotten soul to me on the wide receiver room, just

2032
01:37:15,439 --> 01:37:18,400
Speaker 2: because there's other things to talk about there. After the

2033
01:37:18,479 --> 01:37:21,240
Speaker 2: injury last year to Marcus Jones, I feel like people

2034
01:37:21,360 --> 01:37:24,920
Speaker 2: have maybe forgotten a little bit that Marcus Jones was

2035
01:37:25,080 --> 01:37:28,880
Speaker 2: once a promising player for this team. He's going to

2036
01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:31,519
Speaker 2: return kicks, he's going to return punts like he's going

2037
01:37:31,560 --> 01:37:32,160
Speaker 2: to be a returner.

2038
01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:32,720
Speaker 4: We know that.

2039
01:37:33,560 --> 01:37:37,360
Speaker 2: I'm going to say on July eighteenth. As of right now,

2040
01:37:37,400 --> 01:37:41,360
Speaker 2: he's not going to play much offense. That's not in

2041
01:37:41,479 --> 01:37:46,920
Speaker 2: the cards. If on July or August eighteenth, he's having

2042
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:48,519
Speaker 2: a tough time and he's got to make the team

2043
01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:51,800
Speaker 2: and he's gonna he says, all right, fine, I'll play

2044
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:54,000
Speaker 2: some gadget offense, then maybe that's it.

2045
01:37:54,080 --> 01:37:54,200
Speaker 1: You know.

2046
01:37:54,280 --> 01:37:56,560
Speaker 2: The Devin Hester role is a way, you know, on

2047
01:37:56,680 --> 01:38:01,439
Speaker 2: the team for him. But defensively, I just mentioned Myles Bryant.

2048
01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:04,479
Speaker 2: As much as some people think that they're gonna be

2049
01:38:04,520 --> 01:38:06,920
Speaker 2: additioned by subtraction there, they still have to fill the

2050
01:38:07,000 --> 01:38:10,080
Speaker 2: snaps left behind by Miles Bryant. Is Marcus Jones a

2051
01:38:10,120 --> 01:38:12,560
Speaker 2: guy that you feel confident in that he could be

2052
01:38:13,240 --> 01:38:16,200
Speaker 2: the third corner, like a true nickel corner in this league.

2053
01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:19,559
Speaker 1: I think he can. Yeah, again, it's a durability thing

2054
01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:22,000
Speaker 1: with him a lot. So if you're kind of managing

2055
01:38:22,040 --> 01:38:24,240
Speaker 1: his snaps, limiting a snaps, he's I think more of

2056
01:38:24,360 --> 01:38:28,479
Speaker 1: that Miles Bryant replaced, where he's gonna play some slock corner,

2057
01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:31,760
Speaker 1: He's gonna play some safety he'll still return punts, and

2058
01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:34,639
Speaker 1: I do think we'll see him occasionally on offense. I'm talking.

2059
01:38:35,400 --> 01:38:36,840
Speaker 1: I don't even think it's in every game thing. I

2060
01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:38,640
Speaker 1: think it's a couple times a season, thing like ten

2061
01:38:38,640 --> 01:38:42,120
Speaker 1: to fifteen plays a season. But he still has a place.

2062
01:38:42,160 --> 01:38:44,200
Speaker 1: He's gonna be kind of a jack. All your questions

2063
01:38:44,240 --> 01:38:46,080
Speaker 1: are basically the Swiss army knife guys. What are they

2064
01:38:46,120 --> 01:38:48,840
Speaker 1: doing with them? Because that was and whether you did

2065
01:38:48,880 --> 01:38:52,439
Speaker 1: that consciously or subconsciously totally on purpose? Well here's the

2066
01:38:52,520 --> 01:38:57,080
Speaker 1: thing that was a very belichick right philosophy. Yes, how

2067
01:38:57,120 --> 01:38:59,160
Speaker 1: does John Mayo feel about that? How does Alex dant

2068
01:38:59,160 --> 01:39:02,120
Speaker 1: Pelt feel about that? Like this is anytime there's a

2069
01:39:02,160 --> 01:39:04,040
Speaker 1: coaching change, and I think I talked about I don't

2070
01:39:04,040 --> 01:39:05,360
Speaker 1: remember I talked to us in the last show if

2071
01:39:05,400 --> 01:39:08,479
Speaker 1: I did on my Sports on Patriots podcast. There are

2072
01:39:08,680 --> 01:39:15,600
Speaker 1: guys on this roster Taekwon, Thornton, Marte Mapu, put a

2073
01:39:15,680 --> 01:39:18,400
Speaker 1: Tonio Maffi on that list. Maybe there's some others you

2074
01:39:18,400 --> 01:39:20,720
Speaker 1: can think of. Juju Smith Schuster would fit for this

2075
01:39:20,920 --> 01:39:25,160
Speaker 1: that on most teams, in most years, you wouldn't think

2076
01:39:25,240 --> 01:39:28,120
Speaker 1: twice he's making the roster. But because it's a new

2077
01:39:28,160 --> 01:39:30,320
Speaker 1: coaching staff because it's a new front office. You're in

2078
01:39:30,400 --> 01:39:34,599
Speaker 1: this transitionary period. Philosophies are changing. There are some guys

2079
01:39:34,640 --> 01:39:39,240
Speaker 1: that might traditionally be roster locks that aren't. And that's

2080
01:39:39,320 --> 01:39:42,000
Speaker 1: gonna to me personally. That's one of my favorite storylines

2081
01:39:42,040 --> 01:39:44,280
Speaker 1: for CAMP is what happens with these guys? How of

2082
01:39:44,280 --> 01:39:46,320
Speaker 1: these philosophies change. I put Brennan Schooler on that list.

2083
01:39:46,400 --> 01:39:50,040
Speaker 1: Frankly so the fact you kind of did this maybe

2084
01:39:50,120 --> 01:39:52,680
Speaker 1: by accident, but it leads to a larger conversation of

2085
01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:56,679
Speaker 1: how much are they going to value versatility now? Because

2086
01:39:56,720 --> 01:39:59,160
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones he can beat well and some of Marcus

2087
01:39:59,240 --> 01:40:01,479
Speaker 1: Jones two depends on what John Jones does. If John

2088
01:40:01,560 --> 01:40:03,639
Speaker 1: Jones on the boundary, Marcus Jones might be your starting

2089
01:40:03,680 --> 01:40:06,040
Speaker 1: slot corner, Yeah, and that changes everything. But if John

2090
01:40:06,080 --> 01:40:08,519
Speaker 1: Jones is gonna come back on the slot, Alex Austin

2091
01:40:08,600 --> 01:40:11,559
Speaker 1: is gonna play on the boundary, Marcus Jones, now you're

2092
01:40:11,600 --> 01:40:15,920
Speaker 1: backup slot corner. He's your nickel safety, he's your punt returner,

2093
01:40:16,520 --> 01:40:17,839
Speaker 1: he's a gadget player on offense.

2094
01:40:18,040 --> 01:40:18,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2095
01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:20,960
Speaker 1: Do they keep a guy for all of those marginal

2096
01:40:21,080 --> 01:40:23,080
Speaker 1: rules or do they say we can do that with

2097
01:40:23,120 --> 01:40:24,439
Speaker 1: two or three guys who will do them all at

2098
01:40:24,439 --> 01:40:25,400
Speaker 1: a little bit of a higher level.

2099
01:40:26,600 --> 01:40:28,320
Speaker 2: I would say that they probably keep margin. I think

2100
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:31,800
Speaker 2: because he's so dynamic as a returner right that that's

2101
01:40:31,880 --> 01:40:34,439
Speaker 2: such a valuable asset to have, especially with this new

2102
01:40:34,520 --> 01:40:36,240
Speaker 2: kick off role. We just don't know how this is

2103
01:40:36,320 --> 01:40:38,400
Speaker 2: going to go. And if he's one of those guys

2104
01:40:38,479 --> 01:40:40,519
Speaker 2: that gets the ball in his hands even more because

2105
01:40:40,560 --> 01:40:42,320
Speaker 2: of the new kickoff role, then he could be a

2106
01:40:42,360 --> 01:40:45,360
Speaker 2: true game breaker in the kicking game for them. So

2107
01:40:45,720 --> 01:40:49,040
Speaker 2: he makes a team because of that. But the conversation

2108
01:40:49,120 --> 01:40:51,479
Speaker 2: with him playing corner is a big one because for

2109
01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:53,880
Speaker 2: his longevity in the league, he's gonna have to play

2110
01:40:54,000 --> 01:40:55,680
Speaker 2: some defense. Like he's gonna have to be a guy

2111
01:40:55,760 --> 01:40:58,240
Speaker 2: that's at least serviceable on defense, or even if it's

2112
01:40:58,280 --> 01:41:00,680
Speaker 2: as a backup, because guys get hurt. See it, every year,

2113
01:41:00,760 --> 01:41:02,920
Speaker 2: guys are gonna get hurt. So they have to have

2114
01:41:03,080 --> 01:41:05,240
Speaker 2: him and be able to rely on him as at

2115
01:41:05,360 --> 01:41:08,360
Speaker 2: least your backup slot corner, I would think. But what

2116
01:41:08,479 --> 01:41:12,040
Speaker 2: I do like about him though, is that stylistically, like

2117
01:41:12,200 --> 01:41:15,200
Speaker 2: there's matchups for him on their schedule that are gonna

2118
01:41:15,200 --> 01:41:18,000
Speaker 2: happen every single year. And I'm mainly talking about Miami,

2119
01:41:18,120 --> 01:41:20,760
Speaker 2: but it's gonna happen in other spots, I'm sure too,

2120
01:41:21,120 --> 01:41:23,599
Speaker 2: where they're gonna have one or two just like speed demons,

2121
01:41:23,680 --> 01:41:27,040
Speaker 2: you know, kill Waddle types, where he's a really good

2122
01:41:27,800 --> 01:41:30,840
Speaker 2: stylistic one for one matchup for those types of guys,

2123
01:41:31,160 --> 01:41:34,160
Speaker 2: as is John Jones. But you're gonna play Miami twice

2124
01:41:34,160 --> 01:41:37,599
Speaker 2: a year for the foreseeable future. They're gonna have Tyreek

2125
01:41:37,640 --> 01:41:40,720
Speaker 2: Hill and Jalen Waddle on their team. Marcus Jones and

2126
01:41:40,960 --> 01:41:43,759
Speaker 2: Jonathan Jones running around after those guys is a pretty

2127
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Speaker 2: good matchup for the Patriots, right, That's a pretty good

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Speaker 2: fit for them. So I think Marcus Jones on the team, Like,

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Speaker 2: I'm not worried about that. I just wonder where, if

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Speaker 2: other than special teams, Like what other phase is he

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Speaker 2: going to be able to carve out a significant role in.

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Speaker 2: I think that remains to be seen. I think that's

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Speaker 2: a major question mark. Yeah, all right, last one really

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Speaker 2: quickly because we only have five more minutes. I am

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Speaker 2: still reluctant, still not one hundred percent sold. And based

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Speaker 2: off the money they gave Kyle Duggart, they feel at

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Speaker 2: least ninety percent sold. We'll see if they can keep

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Speaker 2: Jabrill Peppers here for the future. It's a whole. It's

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Speaker 2: the safety fit back there. To me, you have two

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Speaker 2: box safeties and one of them is constantly caused playing

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Speaker 2: as a free safety, right, So is it I'm under

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Speaker 2: rating those two guys' ability to play the deep part

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Speaker 2: of the field. You know, you go to Buffalo for instance.

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Speaker 2: I know they don't have this anymore, but with Micah

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01:42:36,720 --> 01:42:40,040
Speaker 2: Hyde and Jordan Poyer, those guys were interchangeable parts back there.

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Speaker 2: The Patriots have typically been one of those teams that

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Speaker 2: has roles, right, like you're free safety, you're a box safety,

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Speaker 2: you're a tight end. You know, you're a tight end stopper.

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Speaker 2: Buffalo is always interchangeable, Like it could be Hide playing

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Speaker 2: up top, it could be Poyer playing up top. It

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Speaker 2: could be too high and they could cycle in and

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Speaker 2: out of that, and that's what made their defense really good.

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Speaker 2: Maybe that's what the paytriots end up falling on, is

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Speaker 2: like we're gonna start every single snap in too high

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01:43:03,680 --> 01:43:08,679
Speaker 2: shell and the the beauty of having two two hundred

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Speaker 2: and twenty pounds safeties back there is that either one

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Speaker 2: of them can buzz down, right, like either one of

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Speaker 2: them can take and fill and in the run game

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Speaker 2: or play robber or play the hook or whatever. And

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Speaker 2: we can do that because they're interchangible. But if that's

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Speaker 2: gonna be the case, and that's it's smoking mirrors back there.

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Speaker 2: You can't get into first down against Josh Allen and

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Speaker 2: just put him up top and say and declaire, pre

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Speaker 2: snap what you're doing like you used to be able to.

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Speaker 2: They could pre snap. They could put Devin McCarty in

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Speaker 2: the deep middle of the field. The whole world knew

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Speaker 2: that Devin McCarty was playing post safety and it still

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Speaker 2: didn't matter right like that they were that good in

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Speaker 2: their roles. This defense, I feel like, is gonna have

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Speaker 2: to be a little bit more disguise heavy. Where we

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Speaker 2: started too high shell and we're buzzing in and out

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Speaker 2: of it, right and you just don't know which if

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Speaker 2: it left or is it right that we're gonna tilt

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Speaker 2: it to normally it's probably gonna be tilted to the

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Speaker 2: passing strength. And we'll get into that another day. But

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Speaker 2: the point being is are you sold quickly in thirty seconds?

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Speaker 2: Are you sold on this fit?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not sold, we'll see what it looks

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Speaker 1: like in camp. But I mean, you know, I've been

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Speaker 1: a big proponent of, like have a true free safety,

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Speaker 1: get somebody back there. That Dugger and Peppers are at

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Speaker 1: their best when they're playing near the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 1: So that's where I want them. And there's various assignments

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Speaker 1: within that and whatever. We got two minutes left, but

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Speaker 1: I think if Jalen Hawkins can give them something, like

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Speaker 1: you said, maybe not the Den mccordy role, not the

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Speaker 1: demcquary roll, but the drawn harmon role. Yeah, it completely

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Speaker 1: changes things because you allow your best players to play

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Speaker 1: where they play their best. I think that's important.

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Speaker 2: I'm intrigued by the disguise thing because they are both

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Speaker 2: so impactful coming towards the line of scrimmage that that's

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Speaker 2: really intriguing of you have to guess which one's gonna

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Speaker 2: do it, and if you guess wrong, then Kyle Dugar's

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Speaker 2: picked six. So that part of it's intriguing. But at

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Speaker 2: the same time, I'm with you that third and eight

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Speaker 2: with one minute to go in a four point game,

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Speaker 2: everybody's got to get to a place where they feel comfortable.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying you can't do the disguise stuff and

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Speaker 1: they'll be they'll be wrinkles. But yeah, at there are

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Speaker 1: certain points in the game, like you're saying, you're lining

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Speaker 1: up eleven on eleven, somebody make a play and you

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Speaker 1: know you face these quarterbacks. All the discuss you don't

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Speaker 1: want to get too cute with it, all the disguises,

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Speaker 1: this and that. You get caught up on things. I

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Speaker 1: hear the music.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we got to flip the studio for Patriots on filtered,

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Speaker 2: in afternoons, but really looking forward to coming back for

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Speaker 2: training camp. It's gonna be a lot of fun. That's

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Speaker 2: that's our sweet spot. Maybe the draft is, but that's

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Speaker 2: our other sweet spot. So Training Camp podcast next week,

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