WEBVTT - Listen Again: Adrianne Curry

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, how are you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good. How are you?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm good. I'm sorry if I just went in the

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<v Speaker 1>ocean because I was here for like Miami Swing Week

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<v Speaker 1>and it was on.

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<v Speaker 2>Dude, you looked fucking amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate that. Well, look, I'm above forty. I know

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<v Speaker 2>what it takes to keep your body snatched past that age.

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<v Speaker 2>So you literally gave the young chicks a run for

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<v Speaker 2>their money. And that's always fun, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm sure you've done that as well.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't care anymore, so I don't even try.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never cared. I don't. I never cared. I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I was talking about it today, I did a

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<v Speaker 1>post about like everyone's like, what do you do and

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<v Speaker 1>what do you do? I don't. I walk. That's all

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<v Speaker 1>I do is walk. I don't do weights. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>go to the gym. I think people do too much

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<v Speaker 1>and they like beat themselves up and it's like fear based.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just feel like I look natural because I

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<v Speaker 1>add natural. I just have always just wanted to walk

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<v Speaker 1>and have a good relationship with food and exercise. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think women are struggling and like beating the shit

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<v Speaker 1>out of themselves trying to get to somewhere, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think every want to say this. This show did show

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<v Speaker 1>me women really appreciating their own bodies like they were

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<v Speaker 1>very It was a lot of empowerment. They really did

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<v Speaker 1>love their bodies.

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<v Speaker 2>See I binge on the weekends and I kill myself

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<v Speaker 2>in the gym, but I love it. But that's because

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<v Speaker 2>I'm an addictive personality. So I had to find something

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<v Speaker 2>healthy to do. And the healthy thing for me to

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<v Speaker 2>do is to work out, and I really enjoy Like Saturdays,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll eat like two pizzas and like six cinnamon rolls

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<v Speaker 2>until I feel like it was Thanksgiving Day. I'm like

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<v Speaker 2>puking in my mind. I've got yeah. But then the

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<v Speaker 2>next day I'm eating cottage cheese and two good yogurts

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<v Speaker 2>and like you know, chicken breast and some asparagus because

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<v Speaker 2>I yeah, I feel like you have to live. And

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<v Speaker 2>because of what I used to do, I know, ever

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<v Speaker 2>got to enjoy food. And I'm Italian, so I want food.

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<v Speaker 2>So now I give that one day where I et

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<v Speaker 2>whatever I want until I can't.

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<v Speaker 1>But that brings up a good point because that's your

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<v Speaker 1>version of self regulation. That's your version of your relationship

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<v Speaker 1>with food. If if you feel healthy about it, if

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<v Speaker 1>it makes you feel good and you're not triggered by

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<v Speaker 1>it or concerned by that's your version. For me, I organize.

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<v Speaker 1>My addiction is organizing things. Everything has to be in order.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, you know, it's a response or it's as

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<v Speaker 1>a result of my childhood, but like mine is things

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<v Speaker 1>in order. But it was a lot of messages this

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<v Speaker 1>weekend about all of this and women and the struggle

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<v Speaker 1>and thirty year olds saying a lot of this, which

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<v Speaker 1>is weird, Like a lot of thirty year olds saying

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<v Speaker 1>you make me feel like I'm not I haven't peaked yet,

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<v Speaker 1>and like I could have my era at any age.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the woman who works for me is thirty one,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's like, I don't feel great about myself. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like I'm not at my best now after my baby,

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<v Speaker 1>but like now you make me fe like I have

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<v Speaker 1>so much time, you know, to figure it all out.

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<v Speaker 1>And then women my age are saying, thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>not making everybody think that we're just like old and

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<v Speaker 1>washed up. Like so it hit two things at this end.

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<v Speaker 1>It hit the women that are your age saying wow,

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<v Speaker 1>like look at like It just gave a perspective to age,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think was unexpected by even me, by Sports Illustrated.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it just like has become this thing that

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<v Speaker 1>means so much more than what it actually was.

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<v Speaker 2>See you're like the uh, I guess the TikTok version

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<v Speaker 2>of Dame Helen Mirren who peaked later on in life.

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<v Speaker 2>And everyone's like, who's this hot bitch? Look at her?

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean, she's started peaking hard and she's still peaking.

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<v Speaker 2>She's in that mob show. She looks great.

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<v Speaker 1>That's funny. That's right. Wouldn't that be good? That would you?

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good trajectory. Yeah, so maybe, but nothing's nothing

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<v Speaker 1>of that was intentional. I'd just like to find the

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<v Speaker 1>meaning and things and so it cannot be just like

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<v Speaker 1>walking down a runway. As you know better than anyone.

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<v Speaker 1>And I asked, I wanted you. I've never met you.

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<v Speaker 1>I know who you are. Remember you were on the

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<v Speaker 1>show with it was it Greg Braid which Brady and

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<v Speaker 1>you were married, and that's what I remember. And you

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<v Speaker 1>want to show you on Top Model and I'm so sorry, no,

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<v Speaker 1>but that was that was a big media moment and

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<v Speaker 1>I remember you from that and I've always remembered you

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<v Speaker 1>as like a fun, sort of wild model. And then

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<v Speaker 1>I was just scrolling and I saw you talking about

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<v Speaker 1>selling Avon And it was right after having Susan powder

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<v Speaker 1>On here telling me that she was an uber driver

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<v Speaker 1>in Vegas and delivered food to Louis c K's house,

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<v Speaker 1>and like there was like this moment about like people

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<v Speaker 1>who everybody saw a certain way in society and media

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<v Speaker 1>and fame, and it just like was weird that I

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<v Speaker 1>saw you right after that, and it was just like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I just was like, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to her about what this journey has been and

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<v Speaker 1>like what that was about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's interesting. So my season of Top Model, I

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<v Speaker 2>was the only winner that won no money, zero dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>What does that mean?

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<v Speaker 2>That means there was no money in my win I got,

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<v Speaker 2>I got a title. Well, they lied to our season

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<v Speaker 2>and then they voiceovered what Tyra was saying. They told

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<v Speaker 2>us we were going to be a Revlon cover girl,

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<v Speaker 2>and Revlon told me afterwards we had no intention of

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<v Speaker 2>doing that. And then when it aired on TV. You

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<v Speaker 2>can ask any girl from my season, They're like they

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<v Speaker 2>changed everything Tyra said to us. She was telling us

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<v Speaker 2>we were going to be this huge Revlon like superstar,

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<v Speaker 2>because I don't think any of us would have fought

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<v Speaker 2>as hard as we did for what the prize really was,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the title. So I always joke because people

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<v Speaker 2>are like, you still call yourself America's next Top Model,

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<v Speaker 2>and Mike, it's the only fucking thing I won. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna put it on my tombstone bed.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. Well wow, that's crazy because some of

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<v Speaker 1>the girls. Was Kenley Collins on that or was she

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<v Speaker 1>only a design show? There were some girls who come

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<v Speaker 1>through my messages a lot because people from Project Runway

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<v Speaker 1>and people with a model they get mixed in together

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<v Speaker 1>with me. But like they reached out to me because

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<v Speaker 1>of the Reality Reckoning and they're all like telling me

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<v Speaker 1>all these crazy stories and like this is another one.

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<v Speaker 1>You must have definitely seen the Reality Reckoning stuff and

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<v Speaker 1>been like jumping up and down on your couch like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, like yes, right.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what's really funny is everyone wanted me to

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<v Speaker 2>dog pile on Tyra Banks when twenty twenty was happening

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<v Speaker 2>and everyone was getting pissed, and I was like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>because if anyone has a right to be mad at her.

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<v Speaker 2>It's me and I'm over it. I don't give a

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<v Speaker 2>shit anymore. What she taught me was the truth of entertainment.

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<v Speaker 2>It's cutthroat. You can't trust everybody, and everyone is lying

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<v Speaker 2>to you. So she actually gave me a great lesson

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<v Speaker 2>and the show was just a avenue for her to

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<v Speaker 2>propel herself into something else after she aged out of modeling.

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<v Speaker 2>I see that now, and if I can let it go,

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<v Speaker 2>everyone else can. It was funny because everyone's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>she did this, she did that. But then I would

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<v Speaker 2>look at the people who watched the show and I'm like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but you watched it, you made it popular. It's your

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<v Speaker 2>fault too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you could say that about the house So the

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<v Speaker 1>thing I have to say about that is the game

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<v Speaker 1>moves fast when you're the talent in that situation, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's really the production company totally, and she's part of it.

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<v Speaker 1>But like as a housewife, like we're moving drama, we're

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<v Speaker 1>not thinking, you know, when when someone's calling, When Teresa's calling,

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<v Speaker 1>Danielle saw a prostitution horror on national television. She's not

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about the fact that Andy Cohen's gonna unwatch what

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<v Speaker 1>happens live, have that song like that sound like prostitution

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<v Speaker 1>makes make rap songs out of it, and that it's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be at the Bravocon. They're gonna have like a

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<v Speaker 1>reenactment of Prostitution War. There's a person that, no matter

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<v Speaker 1>what she's done in her life, has two daughters that

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<v Speaker 1>will see her as the prostitution War. That's like the

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<v Speaker 1>production I think more not that Tyre wasn't part of it.

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<v Speaker 1>It was her show, but I'm not even doing I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know Tyra Banks, And all I'm saying is just interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>The machine, it's a toxic machine where the ratings are

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<v Speaker 1>by any means necessary ratings, right any it does not

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<v Speaker 1>matter what it takes to get there. And you're right

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<v Speaker 1>about the entertainment industry. And now it's probably scario because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, people don't watch as much because they're watching

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<v Speaker 1>an on their phone.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, totally.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think of all that I said? I

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<v Speaker 1>may'd be wrong. I want to hear because I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>watch the show that much. The audience takes the drug

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<v Speaker 1>and they're addicted. You know, you know John Ham and

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<v Speaker 1>very famous people go on watch Rapids live and last

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<v Speaker 1>at these housewives shows that I was part of that

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<v Speaker 1>like do ruin some people's lives, not everybody's, but there

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<v Speaker 1>are a lot of casualties from these shows. And you're

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<v Speaker 1>you know, yes, I agree.

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<v Speaker 2>I went into post production on a show with Antonio

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<v Speaker 2>Sopato Junior called Maya, Antonio and VH One because I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to learn the ends and outs and I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to do post production work. And I did,

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<v Speaker 2>and I helped vilify I wanted the contestants. Sure, she

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<v Speaker 2>was kind of a villain, but I might have tweaked

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<v Speaker 2>it a little bit to make her look worse. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'll never forget it was the premiere party or the

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<v Speaker 2>rap party. She came up to me and she was

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<v Speaker 2>upset and she's like, you understand more than anyone what

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<v Speaker 2>they can do to you. And I felt like the

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<v Speaker 2>most rotten, soulless human being on earth. And I tapped

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<v Speaker 2>out of post production. I never did it again, because

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, wow, man, I just jumped right into the machine.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was so eager to please the executive producers

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff like, look, I'm a hard worker. I'm more

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<v Speaker 2>than just talent. I can actually work on a show.

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<v Speaker 2>I have nothing to do with and be bad ass

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<v Speaker 2>that I was helping, you know, Frank and bite conversations

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<v Speaker 2>to make them worse than what they were, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was the asshole.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the problem. You put me on the Sports Illustrated show.

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<v Speaker 1>You give me direction, you tell me you have fun.

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<v Speaker 1>You go out there, you be yourself. I went out there.

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<v Speaker 1>I danced like I was in my own bathroom. I

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<v Speaker 1>understood the assignment. And even in lorel when I wear

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<v Speaker 1>giraffes shoes and I walked down like a giraffe like

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<v Speaker 1>they said, you do what you want to do. I said, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>My point is I show up on time and I

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<v Speaker 1>always land it whatever it is, or I don't go.

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<v Speaker 1>So you go on reality television. I'm on the housewise,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm there to make shit happen. Other people are supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be there for the same reason. If you're Tinsley Mortimer,

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<v Speaker 1>a very lovely, sweet girl, you get caught in the

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<v Speaker 1>crossfire of what we're doing in the goal of the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Get the fuck out of the way. You shouldn't be here.

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<v Speaker 1>Then we're you know, we're here to kill people. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's the problem. That was what the nature of the

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<v Speaker 1>Beast was the beast was create a show, make ratings,

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<v Speaker 1>make drama. That's what HEDI do. That's what Spencer did,

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<v Speaker 1>That's what you know. So it's really the responsibility is

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<v Speaker 1>the teacher has to have some control over the classroom totally.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's why when people are like, well, aren't you

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<v Speaker 2>mad at Tyra, I'm like, no, Tyra was a snake

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<v Speaker 2>and a pit of vipers that learned how to survive exactly,

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<v Speaker 2>So why would I be mad at her? For literally

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<v Speaker 2>her entire life since she was like fourteen, she was

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<v Speaker 2>in modeling, which is the viper pit of all viper pits.

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<v Speaker 2>She is a product of her entire life, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>like whatever, Like she's just trying to breathe and live.

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<v Speaker 1>So period. Yeah, so you and also, you know, business

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<v Speaker 1>is hard and being an entertainment person, being a talent

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<v Speaker 1>and being a business person, being a creative and a

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<v Speaker 1>business person is not easy. I mean, if you listen

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<v Speaker 1>to Susan Powder talk about the fact that she sold

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<v Speaker 1>it was three hundred million dollars and she's an uber

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<v Speaker 1>driver because you're listening to people around you, it's the

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<v Speaker 1>game is fast, so it's like we're doing this, we're

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<v Speaker 1>doing that that sounds good. You don't know where to go.

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<v Speaker 1>And the person who says that saying that they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to take care of you and handle it. You just

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<v Speaker 1>want someone to handle it, so you sign up with

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<v Speaker 1>someone and then they you know, it's what happens to

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<v Speaker 1>the boy band. So you never made any money? Like

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<v Speaker 1>did you ever make any money? Like what happened? And

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<v Speaker 1>what do you do for a living?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I made enough money to pay Los Angeles bills.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I was living in a shitty one bedroom apartment

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<v Speaker 2>in Hancock Part that was twenty three one hundred dollars

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<v Speaker 2>a month and it was like a closet, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean. So I made enough to survive. But

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<v Speaker 2>I've never been like rich, and I'm cool with that,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I'm totally fine. So when I was thirty two

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<v Speaker 2>years old, I was tired of being touted as a

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<v Speaker 2>sex symbol. And I met my now husband, who's a

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<v Speaker 2>good old Kentucky boy gentleman, and I'm like, I want

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<v Speaker 2>to have a normal life with a guy that doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>treat me as a trophy, who like values me and

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<v Speaker 2>not covets me, but uh protects me and doesn't want

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<v Speaker 2>me to be seeking the validation of men and like

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<v Speaker 2>sexy inser posts and stuff. I was just tired of

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<v Speaker 2>that for me.

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<v Speaker 1>So, so you're soul crushing, you're warning Yeah, no, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>When I was young, and I remember my management and

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<v Speaker 2>everybody was like, why are you acting like you're seventy

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<v Speaker 2>years old? You have a solid ten more years to earn,

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, yeah, but I'd feel like I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be losing my soul. So I said no to a

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<v Speaker 2>whole bunch of stuff. And I actually lost my apartment

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<v Speaker 2>at thirty two years old, and my husband had me

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<v Speaker 2>move in with them because like, I hit rock bottom

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<v Speaker 2>because I was saying no to crap I didn't want

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<v Speaker 2>to do because I just didn't want to feel exploited anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>I get it, I yeah, but when you jump, you fly.

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<v Speaker 1>When you decide who you are and what you don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to do, that was me leaving Housewise, my whole

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<v Speaker 1>life changed after I thought I was like sort of

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<v Speaker 1>semi retiring and only gonna do this podcast at my

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<v Speaker 1>philanthropy and the things that caught me appearances that come

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<v Speaker 1>out of living in truth and walking out. I ended

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<v Speaker 1>up creating this career which is awesome, crazy, but I

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't even I didn't even try. And now I am

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<v Speaker 1>leaning into it, but it's because of the truth of it.

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<v Speaker 1>If I was like trying to be the last one

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<v Speaker 1>on the house Lives noticed to take the big check,

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<v Speaker 1>I was getting a lot of money. I would have

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<v Speaker 1>been my soul would have been crushed. And while HSN

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<v Speaker 1>is great, I didn't like doing it. I've never, once

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<v Speaker 1>I've been somewhat successful, done anything that I don't feel

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<v Speaker 1>good about doing. I don't like if I only do

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<v Speaker 1>I feel I don't do it no matter what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and basically I've been offered like reality TV show

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<v Speaker 2>jobs at sure there's a paycheck, and yeah I could

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<v Speaker 2>really use that money, but at what costs? So I

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<v Speaker 2>just said no. And then like a few years later,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, what am I going to do with myself?

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<v Speaker 2>I thought I was going to be a personal trainer,

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<v Speaker 2>But what I found after certifying is just a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of dudes that wanted to train with me, which I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't find appropriate. Like me and my husband like, that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's asking for trouble. I wouldn't feel good if a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of checks just wanted to train with my husband Ja,

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<v Speaker 2>so I was like, this can't be for me. So

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<v Speaker 2>one day I had a myomectomy. I had a benign

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<v Speaker 2>tumor on mac. I had that, yeah, so they had

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<v Speaker 2>to take it out. And while I was high on percoset,

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<v Speaker 2>I watched Edward Scissorhands and I saw Peg the Avon Lady,

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<v Speaker 2>and high as a kite, I guess I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>Avon's still around, and I signed up to sell it.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't remember, and the kitch showed up at my

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<v Speaker 2>house and I was like, well, I have nothing else

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<v Speaker 2>to do. And I thought I was going to make

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<v Speaker 2>fun of it and like do reviews about how much

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<v Speaker 2>it sucks ass, and then I ended up just loving

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<v Speaker 2>it and I started selling it. So it's funny. People

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<v Speaker 2>are like, what do you want to do, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to be the best save On Lady

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<v Speaker 2>on Earth. That's what I'm going to do. And people

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<v Speaker 2>laugh and I'm like, laugh it up, bitch, like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>having a good time.

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<v Speaker 1>Avon's great. I saw their recent line. They sent me

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<v Speaker 1>their recent line of all like the vitamin C and

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<v Speaker 1>like the packaging is amazing. This stuff is good. But

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<v Speaker 1>I would imagine you could make. I think you're laughing

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<v Speaker 1>because you were actually making decent money, like good money

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<v Speaker 1>selling it.

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<v Speaker 2>I was, I was until a few years ago when

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<v Speaker 2>the economy just tanked into the ground. Like it's been

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<v Speaker 2>a struggle. I'm trying to rebuild my little Avon empire.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not the top of Avon lady anymore. I'm getting

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<v Speaker 2>my ass handed to me, and I think that's awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>But wait, but did Avon reach out to you after

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<v Speaker 2>your article. I'd imagine it wouldn't. Well no, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>we know each other like they know me. I know them.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in an independent rep basically, so I'm like, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't speak for them, Thank God for them, the poor fuckers,

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<v Speaker 2>like if I was their mouthpiece. But yeah, I just

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to sell Avan, dude, and live in

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<v Speaker 2>the mountains and tell everyone in Hollywood to go fuck themselves,

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<v Speaker 2>not you. That's how I feel.

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<v Speaker 1>No wonder you said yes it did. Podcast. I think

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<v Speaker 1>I still have a podcast. It's what I think you

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<v Speaker 1>are very do. I like the way you speak, your

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<v Speaker 1>very articulate, and like your thoughts that you're super polarizing

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<v Speaker 1>an edgy but like make perfect sense. I think you

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<v Speaker 1>should have like a really I think you should have

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<v Speaker 1>like an reverend podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see. I guess what. I like to call it

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<v Speaker 2>decompressing from narcissistic traits, because my therapist said I wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>a narcissist to go in there to be like, oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god, I don't want to be a narcissist. She's like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>then you're not, because no narcissist gives a shit about

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<v Speaker 2>being a narcissist. But I feel like, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't I'm not chasing the dragon anymore of like relevancy.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I got it. I mean as a self expression,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't do. I'm in a bathing suit, wet from

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<v Speaker 1>the ocean. I just sat there for you. Oh, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm excited to talk to her. When I talk about nothing,

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<v Speaker 1>it does way better than when I talk to like

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<v Speaker 1>a big time celebrity, Like the people just want to

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<v Speaker 1>hear people express themselves, and you seem very honest.

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<v Speaker 2>So I feel like, well, I kind of like this,

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<v Speaker 2>meaning like you don't have like a whole bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>fucking like stage and bullshit. Like that's so much better

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<v Speaker 2>I think, and life like you could do that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's what I'm saying, you don't have feel

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<v Speaker 1>like it doesn't have to be anything, you should do

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<v Speaker 1>it yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>And why do I feel like no one would give

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<v Speaker 2>a fuck?

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<v Speaker 1>Though you never know. If twenty people listen and give

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<v Speaker 1>a fuck, maybe after this they'll give a fuck. But

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<v Speaker 1>we'll find out. You ask my team what the people

0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:27.399
<v Speaker 1>in the comments said. Guys in the comments, do you

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<v Speaker 1>like this? And do you give a fuck? Okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>what do you think about modeling now? Like? What is modeling?

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<v Speaker 1>So you go out like, so I didn't understand. I thought,

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<v Speaker 1>let's use sports ollsced as an example. Let's talk about

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<v Speaker 1>Victoria's Secret, and let's talk about you know what modeling

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<v Speaker 1>is now. So now you have Kendall Jenner, Gigi Hadid

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<v Speaker 1>and people who and and Lisa Brenna's daughters, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of it's got it's got nepo baby to it,

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<v Speaker 1>which I call my daughter the nepo baby because you've

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<v Speaker 1>got Lisa Brenna's daughters. And I don't believe that without

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of platform, or Gigi and Bella and the

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<v Speaker 1>mom's platform, I believe it has to contribute. And maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't, but it has to. And so I'm growing

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<v Speaker 1>up in Beverly Hills. And then also like presumably in

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<v Speaker 1>different areas of modeling and brands hiring models, they're hiring

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram models or social media models because they have a following.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's like there's so many different roads in now

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<v Speaker 1>and then now there's more inclusivity, and so at Sports

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<v Speaker 1>Illustrated this weekend, I was asking the different women like

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't understand the process. So, like I said to

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<v Speaker 1>this girl at this club, I said, so, like, and

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<v Speaker 1>how long have you been doing this? And she's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I auditioned for five years and I finally got it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, You're like, are you a model? Like

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<v Speaker 1>model to begin with? She's like, no, I'm a fitness

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<v Speaker 1>My mom is Denise Austin, and I'm a I teach

0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:51.920
<v Speaker 1>videos and I do like fitness and diet like eating coach.

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<v Speaker 1>I go oh, And I was like, oh, so you're

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<v Speaker 1>like quote unquote a regular person that auditioned. And then

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<v Speaker 1>there was another woman I think it's Tonday and she's

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<v Speaker 1>a peloton and str so I didn't understand like the way.

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<v Speaker 1>And another woman said at forty years old, she got it.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's like a very unique way that these women

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<v Speaker 1>are saying, like, I'm a model, So like I always

0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:13.199
<v Speaker 1>say I'm a super model, I think I actually am

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<v Speaker 1>now because if the girl who's the fitness person and whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a model too.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you know it's depending on the household name. So

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<v Speaker 2>I guess you could coin yourself that Janis Dickinson just

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<v Speaker 2>told everyone choose the world's first supermodel, and now that's

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<v Speaker 2>how everyone knows there. So just own it, say it

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<v Speaker 2>and make it so right.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean it's because when I was growing up,

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<v Speaker 1>like you had to be. Kate Moss was disruptive because

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<v Speaker 1>she was five seven, Like that was disruptive. Like that

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<v Speaker 1>was like you had to be. There was a wool,

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<v Speaker 1>you had to be over five to nine.

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<v Speaker 2>None of this would have happened in my day. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>tell you. I've sat in Wilhelmina Models during the open

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<v Speaker 2>calls waiting for my you know, sheet of where I

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<v Speaker 2>was going to do go season the day, and I

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<v Speaker 2>would hear the agents talking about girls. If you came

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<v Speaker 2>in there and notice filler in your face or plastic surgery, goodbye.

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<v Speaker 2>They wanted to wow natural only. So I would say

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<v Speaker 2>ninety percent of the people modeling today when you have

0:21:10.880 --> 0:21:19.080
<v Speaker 2>to remember Christy Turlington, Naomi Campbell, Nikki Taylor, Cindy Crawford Day. Yeah,

0:21:19.200 --> 0:21:22.399
<v Speaker 2>these weren't faces that were touched by science. This was

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<v Speaker 2>natural and like Christy Turlington, Stephanie Seymour, they had little

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<v Speaker 2>quirks that worked from like a little wonk to the

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<v Speaker 2>eye but in the cutest way.

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<v Speaker 1>Well Inton had his face between her tea.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, So it was like elitists like they wanted natural

0:21:40.440 --> 0:21:44.440
<v Speaker 2>goddesses that looked like an alien. Beam them down and

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<v Speaker 2>they would take no less.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you get but the reason I get that

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<v Speaker 1>is because Lebron has a god given talent. Yes he's

0:21:54.119 --> 0:21:55.720
<v Speaker 1>worked on it, but he has a god given talent.

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<v Speaker 1>So what I guess, what I'm saying is what I'm

0:22:00.040 --> 0:22:04.159
<v Speaker 1>little girl, you know who is think she's overweight or

0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:08.200
<v Speaker 1>not like traditionally thin or short or broken out or

0:22:08.640 --> 0:22:11.119
<v Speaker 1>has a birthmark in her face, says I want to

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<v Speaker 1>be a model? What is she saying she wants to be?

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<v Speaker 1>What is a model? Now? Because I don't even necessarily

0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:18.040
<v Speaker 1>have a problem with the fact that they were all

0:22:18.119 --> 0:22:21.520
<v Speaker 1>aliens that were stunning, because that Lebron's an alien too,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's nothing wrong with that, like, it's just what

0:22:24.280 --> 0:22:27.359
<v Speaker 1>it is. A jockey. You're born shorter. You cannot be

0:22:27.440 --> 0:22:29.560
<v Speaker 1>a six foot jockey in the in the in the

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<v Speaker 1>Kentucky Derby.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm still yeah, Well, it's like if if in

0:22:32.520 --> 0:22:37.240
<v Speaker 2>the industry becomes something anyone can do, then as you're saying,

0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:40.040
<v Speaker 2>what is it anymore, like if anyone could be an

0:22:40.119 --> 0:22:43.560
<v Speaker 2>NFL player, if anyone could be in the NBA, Like

0:22:43.760 --> 0:22:47.600
<v Speaker 2>if I can maybe hit one basket out of a

0:22:47.640 --> 0:22:50.840
<v Speaker 2>whole game because God blessed me with that one basket

0:22:50.920 --> 0:22:53.159
<v Speaker 2>and then I sucked the rest of the time. Like

0:22:53.359 --> 0:22:55.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't know anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Pat, do you tell your daughter, yes you can be

0:22:58.840 --> 0:23:00.920
<v Speaker 1>a model, because what is she think she wants to be?

0:23:01.119 --> 0:23:07.639
<v Speaker 2>What is famous? Just famous? I think relevant? Chasing the

0:23:08.160 --> 0:23:13.320
<v Speaker 2>dragon of that fifteen minutes of glory, I think. But

0:23:13.640 --> 0:23:15.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean, honestly, you know.

0:23:15.240 --> 0:23:19.400
<v Speaker 1>But but as Sports Illustrated swimsu model, I can tell

0:23:19.440 --> 0:23:21.960
<v Speaker 1>you now what that is and what that is now

0:23:22.320 --> 0:23:24.399
<v Speaker 1>because I was there and I was shocked and you

0:23:24.480 --> 0:23:26.960
<v Speaker 1>would be shocked by it. I was back. So this

0:23:27.119 --> 0:23:28.879
<v Speaker 1>is my experience. I come in. I don't know. I

0:23:28.960 --> 0:23:31.240
<v Speaker 1>know there's a magazine that every year I think it

0:23:31.320 --> 0:23:33.480
<v Speaker 1>was in February, would have all these gorgeous women, and

0:23:33.520 --> 0:23:36.560
<v Speaker 1>I remember Kathy Island was also disruptive because she was

0:23:36.600 --> 0:23:38.959
<v Speaker 1>super like forty like, and they were pushing the envelope

0:23:39.000 --> 0:23:41.280
<v Speaker 1>with different types like then I guess later I think

0:23:41.320 --> 0:23:43.040
<v Speaker 1>it was Kate Upton and she was more curvy, and

0:23:43.080 --> 0:23:45.480
<v Speaker 1>I was like, wait, wow, that wasn't what we grew

0:23:45.600 --> 0:23:49.320
<v Speaker 1>up with, the model And so they started pushing the envelope.

0:23:49.320 --> 0:23:52.359
<v Speaker 1>But then years later you'd see like other people and

0:23:52.480 --> 0:23:55.520
<v Speaker 1>I never understood, like what I just wasn't. It just wasn't.

0:23:55.880 --> 0:23:57.920
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't the audience for I don't understand it. So

0:23:58.119 --> 0:24:02.280
<v Speaker 1>now I'm there and I'm backstage, and I think, like

0:24:02.440 --> 0:24:05.480
<v Speaker 1>everyone's what I used to think was a model, Like

0:24:05.520 --> 0:24:07.760
<v Speaker 1>there's a swimsuit model. So I think everybody's gonna be

0:24:07.800 --> 0:24:10.840
<v Speaker 1>five nine, five ten and blonde and sin and look

0:24:10.960 --> 0:24:14.400
<v Speaker 1>like everybody's gonna look the same. So I'm like, we, oh,

0:24:14.760 --> 0:24:19.720
<v Speaker 1>we you're you're sport you're a peloton. Oh. So I'm

0:24:19.760 --> 0:24:24.280
<v Speaker 1>like everyone there was so into themselves in the best

0:24:24.320 --> 0:24:27.920
<v Speaker 1>possible way, like like it was contagious. It was like

0:24:28.480 --> 0:24:31.760
<v Speaker 1>it was the embodiment of like I love my body,

0:24:31.840 --> 0:24:33.719
<v Speaker 1>I love my ass, I love my curves, I love

0:24:33.760 --> 0:24:36.639
<v Speaker 1>my lines, I love my my cell like and it

0:24:36.800 --> 0:24:40.359
<v Speaker 1>was like they picked women, but who could rock something? Like?

0:24:40.960 --> 0:24:45.560
<v Speaker 1>Who could rock something despite not being traditionally tall shorts,

0:24:45.640 --> 0:24:46.840
<v Speaker 1>sin whatever you're supposed.

0:24:47.000 --> 0:24:50.680
<v Speaker 2>I think it works for lingerie and bikinis, but I'll

0:24:50.760 --> 0:24:54.840
<v Speaker 2>tell you, as someone who used to be like, oh,

0:24:55.080 --> 0:24:59.240
<v Speaker 2>like someone shorter could model like a beautiful evening gown,

0:25:00.080 --> 0:25:03.399
<v Speaker 2>it's harder to model things as not a five to

0:25:03.440 --> 0:25:07.800
<v Speaker 2>eleven person because all of a sudden, the instead of

0:25:08.320 --> 0:25:11.800
<v Speaker 2>the dress wearing the model and the dress being on display,

0:25:12.560 --> 0:25:15.879
<v Speaker 2>it becomes about the model and not the dress. Now

0:25:16.040 --> 0:25:18.600
<v Speaker 2>with bikinis you want to and lingerie you want to

0:25:18.720 --> 0:25:21.640
<v Speaker 2>show it on bodies to you know, show women you're

0:25:21.680 --> 0:25:24.720
<v Speaker 2>gonna look good. But I'll tell you that I don't

0:25:24.840 --> 0:25:29.600
<v Speaker 2>think certain clothes look good on someone who's five foot

0:25:29.640 --> 0:25:32.919
<v Speaker 2>five walking down a runway because I stop looking at

0:25:32.960 --> 0:25:35.520
<v Speaker 2>the clothes and I start looking at the girl.

0:25:49.480 --> 0:25:53.560
<v Speaker 1>That brings it back. So being a model originally was

0:25:54.040 --> 0:25:57.040
<v Speaker 1>the people that were chosen to highlight the clothes because

0:25:57.080 --> 0:25:59.680
<v Speaker 1>of the sizes, like the samples. So right, okay, so

0:26:00.000 --> 0:26:03.800
<v Speaker 1>make sense. And these women are showcasing all of this swomen,

0:26:03.880 --> 0:26:06.080
<v Speaker 1>different body taste. I loved it, and I think they

0:26:06.160 --> 0:26:10.359
<v Speaker 1>did an amazing job of bringing us to twenty twenty

0:26:10.400 --> 0:26:13.439
<v Speaker 1>five without it being performative and girl Boss and BS

0:26:13.560 --> 0:26:17.440
<v Speaker 1>where those people go backstage were like there to help

0:26:17.600 --> 0:26:20.600
<v Speaker 1>you succeed. The girls wanted me to win and do

0:26:20.720 --> 0:26:22.680
<v Speaker 1>better than them, Like I never saw anything like it.

0:26:22.720 --> 0:26:24.320
<v Speaker 1>It's the opposite of what you experienced. Like there are

0:26:24.400 --> 0:26:26.480
<v Speaker 1>these girls like, no, you're not going to tip your

0:26:26.520 --> 0:26:28.480
<v Speaker 1>hat at the end. You know why you're getting that

0:26:28.520 --> 0:26:31.560
<v Speaker 1>fucking money shot. Your body is tea. You stopped there,

0:26:31.880 --> 0:26:34.120
<v Speaker 1>that's your money, Like, that's what the girls who are there.

0:26:34.560 --> 0:26:38.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm jealous. You guys actually looked like you had fun.

0:26:38.840 --> 0:26:42.159
<v Speaker 2>We were modeling for me was not fun and you

0:26:42.280 --> 0:26:45.280
<v Speaker 2>didn't get to walk down the runway having a good time.

0:26:45.880 --> 0:26:47.920
<v Speaker 2>You were expected to do a certain thing.

0:26:48.440 --> 0:26:50.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh and it was competitive. This was like the opposite.

0:26:50.720 --> 0:26:53.119
<v Speaker 1>This was shocking more than the show itself. That was

0:26:53.200 --> 0:26:56.119
<v Speaker 1>what I thought was a beautiful thing for my daughter

0:26:56.480 --> 0:26:59.080
<v Speaker 1>who's fifteen now, and her body came in and she's

0:26:59.119 --> 0:27:01.160
<v Speaker 1>not used to this spy and she's got a woman's spot,

0:27:01.440 --> 0:27:03.480
<v Speaker 1>Like for women that like that to be like no,

0:27:03.640 --> 0:27:05.920
<v Speaker 1>you own that body that you were given, like I

0:27:06.080 --> 0:27:09.960
<v Speaker 1>just you like they I'm fifty four, they were. Most

0:27:10.000 --> 0:27:11.920
<v Speaker 1>of the girls were in her twenties, so it was

0:27:11.960 --> 0:27:14.480
<v Speaker 1>like it was very It's great that I'm talking to

0:27:14.520 --> 0:27:17.480
<v Speaker 1>you right now after this experience. It's like poetic because

0:27:17.600 --> 0:27:19.800
<v Speaker 1>it was the opposite of what you experienced. To be honest,

0:27:19.960 --> 0:27:22.159
<v Speaker 1>would that be more opposite of what you experienced on

0:27:22.200 --> 0:27:23.040
<v Speaker 1>America's next topic.

0:27:23.119 --> 0:27:25.560
<v Speaker 2>I think it's awesome. And I've always been of the

0:27:25.640 --> 0:27:28.680
<v Speaker 2>belief that when it comes to lingerie and bikinis that

0:27:28.840 --> 0:27:31.560
<v Speaker 2>you should show a piloth of different body shapes and

0:27:31.720 --> 0:27:35.800
<v Speaker 2>how these garments are gonna make them look you know

0:27:35.880 --> 0:27:36.320
<v Speaker 2>what I mean?

0:27:36.760 --> 0:27:37.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, make true too.

0:27:38.040 --> 0:27:41.439
<v Speaker 2>That makes sense because these two garments are all about

0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:44.480
<v Speaker 2>the body and accentuating it. So when you would put

0:27:44.640 --> 0:27:48.800
<v Speaker 2>rail thin chicks in it, like I've I've always had boobs,

0:27:48.840 --> 0:27:51.000
<v Speaker 2>except for now because I had an X plant. Let's

0:27:51.080 --> 0:27:52.920
<v Speaker 2>not get into that. I lost a lot of my

0:27:53.080 --> 0:27:55.440
<v Speaker 2>natural breast, But prior to that one, it's my real

0:27:56.280 --> 0:27:59.400
<v Speaker 2>sea cup boobies. I always had boobs. So i'd see

0:27:59.480 --> 0:28:02.920
<v Speaker 2>models in with no chest, I'm like, oh, I'll buy that,

0:28:03.000 --> 0:28:05.399
<v Speaker 2>and I'd get it and then I'd look obscene because

0:28:05.400 --> 0:28:07.280
<v Speaker 2>it was like all cleavage everywhere, and I was like,

0:28:07.400 --> 0:28:09.760
<v Speaker 2>that's not how she looked. Damn it.

0:28:09.960 --> 0:28:13.160
<v Speaker 1>Well, let's talk about that going into swimsuit season, which

0:28:13.240 --> 0:28:15.880
<v Speaker 1>is such an insecure time for people walking into a dressroom.

0:28:16.240 --> 0:28:19.119
<v Speaker 1>I want to say this. I am the person I

0:28:19.240 --> 0:28:21.160
<v Speaker 1>have never put a song on in my entire life,

0:28:21.240 --> 0:28:24.639
<v Speaker 1>and I wear mostly one pieces now because I just do.

0:28:24.920 --> 0:28:28.200
<v Speaker 1>I because I feel in my mind a construct, like

0:28:28.960 --> 0:28:32.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking like that desperate older woman trying to cling

0:28:32.320 --> 0:28:33.960
<v Speaker 1>on and wear a bikini. My best friend's like, I

0:28:33.960 --> 0:28:35.680
<v Speaker 1>don't know why with your body you're not wearing bikinis.

0:28:35.720 --> 0:28:37.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I don't know. I just like the elegance

0:28:37.240 --> 0:28:39.280
<v Speaker 1>of it and the saying I know my age and

0:28:39.320 --> 0:28:41.200
<v Speaker 1>I know where I am, et cetera. So let's park

0:28:41.320 --> 0:28:43.920
<v Speaker 1>that because I do like like that, and that is

0:28:44.000 --> 0:28:46.360
<v Speaker 1>part of who I am, where I would never put

0:28:46.400 --> 0:28:48.360
<v Speaker 1>on a thong. That's how I feel, right, I agree

0:28:48.400 --> 0:28:52.959
<v Speaker 1>with you. So I have a certain construct about who

0:28:53.000 --> 0:28:56.800
<v Speaker 1>should wear what, including myself. After this show, I thought

0:28:56.840 --> 0:28:58.239
<v Speaker 1>of that there was a bathing sit they gave us

0:28:58.320 --> 0:29:01.720
<v Speaker 1>that was a thong one piece. I was gonna wear it. Today,

0:29:01.800 --> 0:29:03.440
<v Speaker 1>not because like I'm trying to show up. I was

0:29:03.480 --> 0:29:05.120
<v Speaker 1>just going on my beach walk. I was gonna wear

0:29:05.160 --> 0:29:07.560
<v Speaker 1>it because like I wasn't gonna fucking wear the thong

0:29:07.640 --> 0:29:10.120
<v Speaker 1>because I did the show and I had picked my

0:29:10.160 --> 0:29:11.920
<v Speaker 1>two beating suits, and I said to the editor in

0:29:12.000 --> 0:29:14.320
<v Speaker 1>chief the one of the ones who was the one piece, like, go,

0:29:14.400 --> 0:29:15.960
<v Speaker 1>I like that to one piece because I still know

0:29:16.000 --> 0:29:17.640
<v Speaker 1>that I'm a mom and I know how old I am.

0:29:17.840 --> 0:29:19.640
<v Speaker 1>Whatever I say, all this bullshit that I don't know

0:29:19.760 --> 0:29:23.160
<v Speaker 1>is bullshit. Yet I'm in the dressing room and the

0:29:23.280 --> 0:29:26.080
<v Speaker 1>woman who one of the women who works there, her

0:29:26.160 --> 0:29:29.120
<v Speaker 1>hand comes in and I'm trying bathings to son after

0:29:29.280 --> 0:29:31.560
<v Speaker 1>just for fun, we've already picked the two and I go,

0:29:31.760 --> 0:29:33.560
<v Speaker 1>is this and she's like, yup, And it's a thong

0:29:33.680 --> 0:29:36.280
<v Speaker 1>like but not a thong, like a literal piece of

0:29:36.400 --> 0:29:40.200
<v Speaker 1>string up your house string. Yeah exactly, that's the difference.

0:29:40.200 --> 0:29:42.720
<v Speaker 1>So so I go, I go okay, and I'm laughing

0:29:42.800 --> 0:29:45.120
<v Speaker 1>because it's a joke. And I put it on and

0:29:45.240 --> 0:29:46.800
<v Speaker 1>I start to put the top on it. I'm like,

0:29:47.720 --> 0:29:49.960
<v Speaker 1>wait what And I come out and that's when they're like,

0:29:50.680 --> 0:29:53.320
<v Speaker 1>we're giving this bitch a third look. Because we all

0:29:53.680 --> 0:29:55.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't think any of us thought, and I was like, okay.

0:29:55.880 --> 0:30:00.400
<v Speaker 1>And when I was at that show, there were evy

0:30:00.560 --> 0:30:03.800
<v Speaker 1>girls rocking little bikinis, and I thought it looked great.

0:30:03.840 --> 0:30:05.640
<v Speaker 1>But I would never have if I was shopping with

0:30:05.680 --> 0:30:08.440
<v Speaker 1>those girls, I wouldn't have suggested that they put those

0:30:08.480 --> 0:30:10.600
<v Speaker 1>on because of the constructs that we've had. And I

0:30:10.720 --> 0:30:14.920
<v Speaker 1>swear after that show, I thought, like every freaking girl

0:30:15.000 --> 0:30:17.320
<v Speaker 1>and every size wearing a bikini, wear whatever you want.

0:30:17.520 --> 0:30:20.640
<v Speaker 1>It felt they really landed for me. Was I have

0:30:20.720 --> 0:30:22.000
<v Speaker 1>a different feeling about it now.

0:30:22.360 --> 0:30:25.960
<v Speaker 2>You know what's funny is one, I haven't more on

0:30:26.040 --> 0:30:28.560
<v Speaker 2>a song and so long, i'd be terrified that all

0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:31.680
<v Speaker 2>I would do is pick my butt publicly because I

0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:34.000
<v Speaker 2>would feel something that's a functional problem.

0:30:34.200 --> 0:30:34.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:30:34.800 --> 0:30:39.880
<v Speaker 2>And then two, I'm so over being looked at in

0:30:39.960 --> 0:30:42.840
<v Speaker 2>that way that I would just cover my ass because

0:30:42.840 --> 0:30:44.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't want anyone to look at me.

0:30:44.960 --> 0:30:45.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:30:45.240 --> 0:30:49.760
<v Speaker 2>No, And I would understand if someone wasn't, I guess

0:30:49.920 --> 0:30:52.560
<v Speaker 2>objectified the way I was for that long. And they're

0:30:52.640 --> 0:30:54.720
<v Speaker 2>like feeling themselves now that they'd want to get a

0:30:54.760 --> 0:30:57.320
<v Speaker 2>little taste of that. The thing is I ate from

0:30:57.360 --> 0:31:00.720
<v Speaker 2>that table. It's not that good. I'm good, I'm over it.

0:31:01.440 --> 0:31:02.080
<v Speaker 2>I could wear it.

0:31:02.400 --> 0:31:05.520
<v Speaker 1>You had an identity that was based on showing your look.

0:31:05.640 --> 0:31:08.480
<v Speaker 1>So that's traatic and that makes a perfect sense to me. Yeah.

0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:11.280
<v Speaker 1>I just mean, as I raised a fifteen year old daughter,

0:31:11.800 --> 0:31:16.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking of things completely differently, and I just if

0:31:16.680 --> 0:31:18.640
<v Speaker 1>I can only give her one thing, it would be

0:31:18.880 --> 0:31:21.080
<v Speaker 1>like that she would be backstage with me and like

0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:23.600
<v Speaker 1>walking down that runway to like see how those girls

0:31:23.680 --> 0:31:25.800
<v Speaker 1>like love their body whatever it is, Like it was

0:31:25.920 --> 0:31:29.240
<v Speaker 1>just so contagious and so I like that message. And

0:31:29.480 --> 0:31:32.880
<v Speaker 1>I just think that there's part of this in society

0:31:32.960 --> 0:31:35.320
<v Speaker 1>that's changed about let's say modeling, which you can speak

0:31:35.360 --> 0:31:38.200
<v Speaker 1>to that I like this part that I just experienced

0:31:38.240 --> 0:31:40.400
<v Speaker 1>because it was like it's positive for women.

0:31:40.880 --> 0:31:45.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, I have to agree. And again, when we're

0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:49.160
<v Speaker 2>purchasing something that's supposed to accentuate our bodies and like

0:31:49.280 --> 0:31:51.960
<v Speaker 2>the best of ways where you're like half naked, it's

0:31:52.040 --> 0:31:55.280
<v Speaker 2>nice to see all different body types showing you what

0:31:55.520 --> 0:31:58.880
<v Speaker 2>this stuff will look like on your body, as opposed

0:31:59.000 --> 0:32:02.640
<v Speaker 2>to this inhuman alien that's been shot down from the

0:32:02.720 --> 0:32:06.640
<v Speaker 2>planet Zultron with this perfect body that you know none

0:32:06.680 --> 0:32:09.880
<v Speaker 2>of us can obtain. Or we don't have Like if

0:32:09.920 --> 0:32:12.080
<v Speaker 2>you have hips, you want to see somebody in something

0:32:12.120 --> 0:32:14.440
<v Speaker 2>that has some hips to see what that's going to

0:32:14.480 --> 0:32:16.520
<v Speaker 2>look like on you. That's just how I feel.

0:32:17.080 --> 0:32:18.920
<v Speaker 1>But also to the point of the era that you

0:32:19.040 --> 0:32:22.440
<v Speaker 1>came up in, of being a vapid, vacant lookoff and

0:32:22.560 --> 0:32:25.160
<v Speaker 1>gazed and don't have fun and don't dance, and you're

0:32:25.200 --> 0:32:29.120
<v Speaker 1>not human, You're a hangar, I would say, honestly speaking

0:32:29.200 --> 0:32:31.960
<v Speaker 1>with the long hair I had and the glazel over

0:32:32.040 --> 0:32:34.840
<v Speaker 1>my body and the bathing suits and a song. I

0:32:35.280 --> 0:32:38.680
<v Speaker 1>just walked down that runway like in some version where

0:32:38.680 --> 0:32:40.760
<v Speaker 1>I rocked it as like a model, Like just walking,

0:32:43.320 --> 0:32:45.920
<v Speaker 1>what are you doing to costume trying to be a model?

0:32:46.400 --> 0:32:49.240
<v Speaker 1>I was myself having fun. Like what I looked like

0:32:49.400 --> 0:32:53.240
<v Speaker 1>was like accentuating it. But I was genuinely being myself

0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:55.960
<v Speaker 1>and I was happy. And I think the reason it's

0:32:56.040 --> 0:32:58.640
<v Speaker 1>landing for all these women with all these body types

0:32:58.920 --> 0:33:01.800
<v Speaker 1>that are not part of the content, thinking it should

0:33:01.800 --> 0:33:05.040
<v Speaker 1>be they walk I saw their personalities first. I think

0:33:05.080 --> 0:33:09.200
<v Speaker 1>people saw me being alive and happy first, and everything

0:33:09.240 --> 0:33:12.640
<v Speaker 1>else came together. I think it all it's about being happy,

0:33:12.680 --> 0:33:14.760
<v Speaker 1>and you were miserable doing what you were doing, and

0:33:14.840 --> 0:33:17.040
<v Speaker 1>everybody on America's Top Model seems to have been miserable,

0:33:17.080 --> 0:33:19.160
<v Speaker 1>and everybody here's modeling here was funny.

0:33:19.960 --> 0:33:23.920
<v Speaker 2>It's personality driven now, like influencers and all this stuff,

0:33:23.920 --> 0:33:27.720
<v Speaker 2>it's all personality driven. I was told in modeling that

0:33:27.800 --> 0:33:30.440
<v Speaker 2>I need to tone it the fuck down, that it's

0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:33.120
<v Speaker 2>not about me or who I am, just shut the

0:33:33.200 --> 0:33:34.840
<v Speaker 2>fuck up and do my job. And that's when I

0:33:34.920 --> 0:33:37.440
<v Speaker 2>went into more reality TV and I went and did

0:33:37.480 --> 0:33:40.160
<v Speaker 2>the Surreal Life because I was like, fine, I'll go

0:33:40.240 --> 0:33:43.360
<v Speaker 2>and make money being who I am since you people

0:33:43.520 --> 0:33:46.720
<v Speaker 2>think I need to shut the f up and stop

0:33:46.800 --> 0:33:49.040
<v Speaker 2>being made like. I would be on sets with a

0:33:49.120 --> 0:33:53.120
<v Speaker 2>bunch of models that they just wouldn't speak. It'd just

0:33:53.200 --> 0:33:55.400
<v Speaker 2>be like sitting there and getting their makeup done, and

0:33:55.480 --> 0:33:58.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, man, this is some bullshit, oh ladies, and

0:33:58.080 --> 0:34:00.920
<v Speaker 2>everyone's looking at me like what. Or if a photographer

0:34:01.080 --> 0:34:03.280
<v Speaker 2>was gross, I'd just call them out on it right there.

0:34:03.320 --> 0:34:05.280
<v Speaker 2>I'd be like, bro, like what are you doing? And

0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:07.360
<v Speaker 2>everyone's like, oh, I can't believe you said, And I'm

0:34:07.400 --> 0:34:08.080
<v Speaker 2>like what is this?

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<v Speaker 1>Like what am I in? Okay? So that's what I

0:34:11.560 --> 0:34:14.000
<v Speaker 1>think the real difference is. That's what I think, and

0:34:14.080 --> 0:34:16.680
<v Speaker 1>I actually think fashion should take a note out of

0:34:16.760 --> 0:34:20.239
<v Speaker 1>this book. So here's what I think. Like, I do

0:34:20.480 --> 0:34:23.920
<v Speaker 1>not I can afford anything I want. I don't have

0:34:24.080 --> 0:34:27.279
<v Speaker 1>a stylist. Now, I think I dress fairly well. If

0:34:27.360 --> 0:34:28.880
<v Speaker 1>I want to go out to something, I think I

0:34:28.920 --> 0:34:31.799
<v Speaker 1>can rock something. I always create something in my mind

0:34:31.880 --> 0:34:34.040
<v Speaker 1>creatively about where I'm going to be, what I want

0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:35.600
<v Speaker 1>to wear, what I want to put it with, how

0:34:35.640 --> 0:34:37.080
<v Speaker 1>I want to do my hair, like I come up

0:34:37.120 --> 0:34:39.640
<v Speaker 1>with a little thing, you know, and not long like

0:34:39.680 --> 0:34:41.880
<v Speaker 1>I'll just and I always shot my own closet. So

0:34:42.040 --> 0:34:44.960
<v Speaker 1>now people who get invited to the met Gala, oh

0:34:45.120 --> 0:34:50.520
<v Speaker 1>or fashion icons are people whose stylists choose their entire

0:34:50.719 --> 0:34:53.359
<v Speaker 1>look head to toe. Now a little assistance is something

0:34:53.440 --> 0:34:56.440
<v Speaker 1>calling a designer's one thing. But there are people who

0:34:56.560 --> 0:34:59.040
<v Speaker 1>do not dress or seem anything like what they used

0:34:59.040 --> 0:35:01.560
<v Speaker 1>to look like because they are now dressed as a

0:35:01.680 --> 0:35:05.920
<v Speaker 1>stylist like painting. And I don't think that that's fashion.

0:35:06.000 --> 0:35:09.680
<v Speaker 1>And what's interesting is that Anna Wintour herself has basically said,

0:35:10.640 --> 0:35:12.960
<v Speaker 1>and so Tom Ford talked about it too, that he

0:35:13.040 --> 0:35:14.880
<v Speaker 1>used to like what the mcalle used to be versus

0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:18.800
<v Speaker 1>like now it's like a theatrical performance, yes, which I

0:35:18.920 --> 0:35:21.760
<v Speaker 1>do get. I get that because it's expressive and Rihanna

0:35:21.800 --> 0:35:24.200
<v Speaker 1>comes out and it's drama. I get that. But the

0:35:24.320 --> 0:35:29.360
<v Speaker 1>people whose personal fashion style is based on a stylust

0:35:29.440 --> 0:35:31.680
<v Speaker 1>that end up getting invited as a result of that,

0:35:32.120 --> 0:35:34.200
<v Speaker 1>to me, that doesn't make any sense because it's not

0:35:34.400 --> 0:35:35.480
<v Speaker 1>that person, you know.

0:35:36.080 --> 0:35:40.520
<v Speaker 2>It's it's comic con for famous people where they all

0:35:40.719 --> 0:35:44.279
<v Speaker 2>cosplay things that they're not. That's what I see. It's

0:35:44.280 --> 0:35:48.200
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of cos players that are famous dressing up

0:35:48.320 --> 0:35:52.640
<v Speaker 2>as characters that they are not. And I mean, I

0:35:53.000 --> 0:35:55.120
<v Speaker 2>agree with you. I a mess when people would wear

0:35:55.440 --> 0:35:58.879
<v Speaker 2>shit that spoke to who they were and now it's

0:35:59.120 --> 0:36:02.160
<v Speaker 2>just like very hunger games.

0:36:02.960 --> 0:36:06.360
<v Speaker 1>And I think fashion should make the adjustment that modeling

0:36:06.520 --> 0:36:10.440
<v Speaker 1>has into it being someone's personal style and you get

0:36:10.480 --> 0:36:13.040
<v Speaker 1>to see what they would do, like what the person

0:36:13.239 --> 0:36:15.439
<v Speaker 1>chooses on their own, not that they go hire someone.

0:36:15.520 --> 0:36:17.640
<v Speaker 1>That should be That should be illegal, like the way

0:36:17.680 --> 0:36:18.680
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, that should be like you

0:36:19.160 --> 0:36:21.399
<v Speaker 1>get you get points out for that, like Anna, because

0:36:21.400 --> 0:36:25.200
<v Speaker 1>Anna Wintour doesn't dress like that. She herself wears the

0:36:25.239 --> 0:36:27.400
<v Speaker 1>same couple of episodes and she's got a personal style

0:36:27.480 --> 0:36:30.719
<v Speaker 1>that is hers. It's timeless, it's what her style is.

0:36:30.800 --> 0:36:34.360
<v Speaker 1>And so she has said before someone should dress in

0:36:34.440 --> 0:36:37.280
<v Speaker 1>a way to speaks to them, like she's been quoted.

0:36:37.280 --> 0:36:39.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what the exact quote is or many times,

0:36:39.080 --> 0:36:42.360
<v Speaker 1>but like that, it's natural to them. So it's it's contradictory.

0:36:42.840 --> 0:36:46.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think everyone's just turned into a stage performer.

0:36:46.719 --> 0:36:50.080
<v Speaker 2>It's like Steven Tyler and money wears on stage like

0:36:50.280 --> 0:36:51.640
<v Speaker 2>no one. I don't know.

0:36:51.840 --> 0:36:52.360
<v Speaker 1>I think.

0:36:53.960 --> 0:36:56.799
<v Speaker 2>I always hated the word influencer, but I guess it's

0:36:56.840 --> 0:37:01.640
<v Speaker 2>the modern day reality stars. People on social media. They

0:37:01.920 --> 0:37:06.479
<v Speaker 2>are stealing the thunder from celebrities because celebrities are still

0:37:06.600 --> 0:37:09.560
<v Speaker 2>faking everything and they don't know who they are inside,

0:37:10.040 --> 0:37:12.440
<v Speaker 2>and then the people on social media know who they are.

0:37:13.200 --> 0:37:15.560
<v Speaker 2>It's being projected out there and people are liking what

0:37:15.600 --> 0:37:18.479
<v Speaker 2>they're selling and buying into it. So I think people

0:37:18.600 --> 0:37:21.160
<v Speaker 2>look at stuff like the Matt Gala and you just

0:37:21.239 --> 0:37:26.120
<v Speaker 2>see a sea of people that aren't very self aware

0:37:26.200 --> 0:37:29.080
<v Speaker 2>or tapped into who they are or being told what

0:37:29.280 --> 0:37:31.919
<v Speaker 2>to like and do, and it's not working because people

0:37:32.160 --> 0:37:36.160
<v Speaker 2>like people are so tired of everything being fake. Filters

0:37:36.320 --> 0:37:39.120
<v Speaker 2>this that that you know, if you put yourself out

0:37:39.160 --> 0:37:42.200
<v Speaker 2>there just being you. They're like eating it up like

0:37:42.320 --> 0:37:45.120
<v Speaker 2>it's manna from heaven. They're so starved for it.

0:37:45.280 --> 0:37:48.120
<v Speaker 1>That's what exactly. Yeah, you should have a pot. Yeah exactly.

0:37:48.200 --> 0:37:50.960
<v Speaker 1>That's exactly how I feel. And that's exactly where the

0:37:51.160 --> 0:37:53.239
<v Speaker 1>universe met me where I am because that's what I've

0:37:53.320 --> 0:37:58.880
<v Speaker 1>always been and I think that that's that's that's how

0:37:58.920 --> 0:38:01.880
<v Speaker 1>citizen's journalism is started. That's my mainstream celebrities with the

0:38:01.920 --> 0:38:04.600
<v Speaker 1>script and the gloss and the shine. It's not working

0:38:04.680 --> 0:38:08.480
<v Speaker 1>because you can't pr your way out of life anymore.

0:38:08.200 --> 0:38:11.640
<v Speaker 2>Unless your Tom Cruise is working for Tom.

0:38:12.600 --> 0:38:16.040
<v Speaker 1>Well, he has very specific roles and he doesn't talk

0:38:16.120 --> 0:38:18.959
<v Speaker 1>that much about other things besides the roles and the work.

0:38:19.040 --> 0:38:23.440
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that's exactly. Well. Wow, I could talk to

0:38:23.480 --> 0:38:26.879
<v Speaker 1>you forever. I think you're amazing. So this was thank

0:38:26.920 --> 0:38:27.920
<v Speaker 1>you a great.

0:38:28.000 --> 0:38:30.120
<v Speaker 2>Solversation, fellow reality og.

0:38:30.920 --> 0:38:33.640
<v Speaker 1>Yes, very very good to talk to you. My instincts

0:38:33.719 --> 0:38:35.839
<v Speaker 1>were right about talking to you. I like you a lot.

0:38:35.880 --> 0:38:39.839
<v Speaker 1>I think you're really smart and very honest. So saying

0:38:40.560 --> 0:38:42.280
<v Speaker 1>I hope to speak to you again, I hope Avon

0:38:42.400 --> 0:38:44.080
<v Speaker 1>calls you and gets you involved in a bigger way

0:38:44.120 --> 0:38:46.520
<v Speaker 1>that's what I'm manifesting for you, and I hope you

0:38:46.600 --> 0:38:50.040
<v Speaker 1>do a little like garage band podcast for you. For

0:38:50.120 --> 0:38:52.919
<v Speaker 1>anyone else, I just like, just talk to a couple

0:38:52.920 --> 0:38:54.400
<v Speaker 1>of people. I don't know. I just think you should.

0:38:54.680 --> 0:38:56.480
<v Speaker 1>That's what I think. It's it doesn't matter what I think,

0:38:56.520 --> 0:38:58.239
<v Speaker 1>but it matters what you think. So it's so nice

0:38:58.280 --> 0:38:59.600
<v Speaker 1>talking to you and meeting you, and hope.

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<v Speaker 2>You man you too. Bye Lady.