1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host, 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm 4 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon, and this is episode number six. 5 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:21,959 Speaker 1: Today we're gonna be talking about planning and executing d 6 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 1: I Y bow hunting trips for white tails. And joining 7 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: us is Bernie Berenger, author of The Freelance bow Hunter. 8 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: Stick around because this is gonna be good, all right, Hayler, folks, 9 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: I am really excited today for this podcast because joining 10 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: me and the our co host, Dan Johnson is Bernie Berenger, 11 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: an accomplished outdoor writer and the author of the excellent 12 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: new book, The Freelance bow Hunter. Well from the show, Bernie, 13 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: thank you, thanks for the opportunity. Yeah, absolutely, We're really 14 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: excited to have you here. Um, and how have you. 15 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: How's your afternoon been so far? It's been been pretty good. 16 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: Trying to get some deadlines taken care of and get 17 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: some magazine articles out. And it's a good day to 18 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: do that because it's born rain here in Minnesota. I 19 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: feel your pain. That's actually the same thing I'm doing. 20 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: I've got a deadline looming tomorrow that I'm racing towards 21 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: good stuff, good stuff. With that said, then before we 22 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: dive too far into things, I was hoping you could 23 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: give the listeners a brief introduction to who you are, 24 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:38,559 Speaker 1: what you do, and you know what your new book 25 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: is all about. Sure, I'd be happy to I've been 26 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: a bow hunter for many, many years. I actually started 27 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: bow hunting in nineteen seventy three, when I was fourteen 28 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: years old, and primarily because my folks wouldn't let me 29 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: own a gun. And uh, I'm not sure if that 30 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: was more about the gun or about me. Actually I 31 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: came from I came from a non hunting family, and 32 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: neighbor of mine was a bowl hunter, and there was 33 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: very few bowl hunters at that time, you know, back 34 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: in the seventies. And um, I bought a re curve bear, 35 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: a bear bow from a guy that sold bear archery 36 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: equipment out of his garage and started bow hunting and 37 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: just absolutely got hooked on it. And uh I was. 38 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: I was a commercial fur trapper through the eighties and 39 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: then when the fit markets kind of fell, Aparty went 40 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: back to college, got a degree in journalism and and 41 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: really took the bow hunting more seriously. Um, and that's 42 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: when I started traveling. I lived in northern Iowa at 43 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: the time, which was kind of the wrong part of 44 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: Iowa for the really big bucks. And so I started 45 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: going to southern and southeastern Iowa and then uh eventually 46 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: ended up moving up to northern Minnesota. And I've continued 47 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: to travel and and I've been able to bow hunt 48 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: in quite a few different states. And I like the 49 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: challenge of trying to do it on my own. I don't. 50 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: I almost never go without fitters. Actually, I'm primarily do 51 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: it yourself hunter, and I primarily hunt public land, although 52 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: there's been times that I've been able to get permission 53 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: on some private land and so forth. But um, this 54 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: pretty well hooked on on the traveling to bow hunt 55 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: and have been somewhat successful taking me a while, they 56 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: really uh learned some of the tricks and the things 57 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: that make it a little easier. So that was the 58 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 1: purpose of the book, is to try to pass some 59 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: information along to other people who might have the same interest. 60 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: And you know, in the last fifteen years or so, 61 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: the Outdoor Channel of Sportsman's Channel, these TV shows have 62 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: really generated a lot of interests and people going to 63 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: other areas to hunt. There's a lot of people in 64 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania and North Carolina or Michigan or some of the 65 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: states that typically don't produce as much uh quality Bigger Bucks, 66 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: and those people see the TV and they go, man, 67 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: I'd like to shoot a book like that, you know. 68 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: And so there's there's kind of a niche that I 69 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: felt there was enough people out there to actually produce 70 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: a book. And I've been really surprised. The book has 71 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: done very well and I'm not not to the break 72 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: even point yet, but that's in the that's it looks 73 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: like it will happen at least. That's great. Well, I'm 74 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: I'm one of those Michigan guys that wanted to look 75 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 1: for greener pastures. So I've been doing just that. Just 76 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: like you said, I've been traveling to other states and 77 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: have hunted now I think five or six different states, 78 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 1: and I feel like I'm relatively experienced in you know, 79 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: this kind of d I y white tail trip. Um. 80 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 1: But even you know, with that experience, after reading your book, UM, 81 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: I still thought I took a lot from it and 82 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: learned some great new ideas. So I've really found it valuable. Well, 83 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear that. You know, that's that's really 84 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: exciting to me that that people. I'm getting a lot 85 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: of good feedback like that too, And um that that's exciting. 86 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: And more than making money on the book, I really 87 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: like to help people be more successful. That's real gratifying. Yeah. Absolutely. 88 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 1: That said then, um, you know, maybe diving into the 89 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 1: topic here. Then you know, as your book begins, you 90 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: ask the question of whether or not a d I 91 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: Y bow hunting trip is for you, you know, for 92 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: the listeners. So can you explain to us, you know, 93 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: for one of our listeners, how can they better understand 94 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: it this kind of trip is a good fit for them. Yeah, 95 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: that's um, that's a very good question. It really isn't 96 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: for everybody because it's very hard work first of all, um, 97 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: and you've got to really be a learner. You've got 98 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: to be a person who enjoys learning about the deer 99 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: and and seeing new areas and trying new things. And um, 100 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 1: you know, some people would be perfectly happy to go 101 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 1: to Iowa, say and hire an outfitter and have them 102 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: do all the work and you just get in the 103 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: standard hope, a nice buck goes by. But um, for me, 104 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: that's not nearly as gratifying as finding a place and 105 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 1: really learning it and figuring out and putting the stand 106 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: in the right tree and uh and shooting that beer 107 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:01,919 Speaker 1: and uh. I should also say that the um, the 108 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,239 Speaker 1: the TV shows have created kind of an environment where 109 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 1: people have unrealistic expectations a lot of times where they go, 110 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: you know, they really think that you can go to 111 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: parts of Bisle and there's and there's literally every property 112 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: has a hundred fifty hundred sixty class buck on it, 113 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: And um, that's not necessarily true. Those bucks are certainly 114 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 1: out there's an eight inch you know, if if you 115 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,239 Speaker 1: spend ten days an aisle in a really good spot, 116 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: you've got a really good chance to see a blood 117 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: and Crockett buck. But getting that buck is a completely 118 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 1: different story, and particularly on public land where they get 119 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: a lot of pressure. So um, yeah, I think, uh, 120 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: a guy has to ask himself, you know, what, what 121 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: are my expectations? What do I want to do? Am 122 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: I really willing to put in the work and do 123 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: it myself and get the extra satisfaction out of it? 124 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: M or would I'd rather have? You know, somebody else 125 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 1: do the work and I could just go there and 126 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: and have a chance to shoot the deer. Yeah. I 127 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 1: think I'm a lot like you, and that I I 128 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: get so much more satisfactor out of actually putting in 129 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 1: the work, you know, to achieve a goal. Um there's 130 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: a story I always tell about There's a mountain in 131 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 1: New Hampshire that I climbed, and I didn't tell my 132 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: wife that there's actually a road that goes to the 133 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: top of the mountain. To um, so we got all 134 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: the way to the top and then she saw a 135 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: parking a lot. She said, well, why the heck did 136 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,239 Speaker 1: we climb up it if there was a road? And 137 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: you know, to me, this summit and that view from 138 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: the top wouldn't mean nearly as much and it wouldn't 139 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: be as beautiful if I hadn't actually sweated and worked 140 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: my way all the way to the top. And I 141 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: think that's kind of how I look at deer hunting too. Yeah, 142 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: I get that. I definitely understand that. Yeah. So so, 143 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: speaking though of again, if this is the right fit 144 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: for someone, you know, can somebody on a on a 145 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: limited budget and with limited vacation time, you know, pull 146 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: off a trip like this. I think a lot of 147 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: people assume that you need a lot of money to 148 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: go out of state and you know, chase these big bucks. 149 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: But is that is that true? Well, it's really not true. 150 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: And I think that's the key to what has made 151 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: this book so all a successful so far, is that, 152 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: you know, this is about doing it a budget. Um. 153 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: You know, I either stay in a travel trailer or 154 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: motel or I've camped a few times, and you know, 155 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: I've I've learned to eat um, you know, on a budget, 156 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: and I cover a lot of really cool tactics to 157 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: save money in the book. And even for me, um, 158 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: I have. I've shot quite a few nice bucks over 159 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: the years, but I haven't mounted very many. And the 160 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: reason for that is I'd rather take the money that 161 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: it costs to mount it and go on another hunt. 162 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: And so, you know, I mean, as a writer, I'm 163 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 1: not flushed with cash and I have to really watch 164 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: the budget and so I've learned to save money and 165 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: do things in a way that allows me to do 166 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 1: more of it. Yeah, that makes all the sense in 167 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: the world that I'm in a similar boat too. So 168 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,079 Speaker 1: how many you know, how many trips like this are 169 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: you taking a year. Um, I it's usually one or 170 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: sometimes too trip, but there but each trip maybe more 171 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: than one state. Um. You know, for example, I will 172 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: be hunting Kentucky and Kansas this year in addition to 173 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: my home state. And I always have a backup because 174 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: I've got some good areas that I've hunted in Missouri before. 175 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,599 Speaker 1: But in Missouris and over the counter state where you 176 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: can just go up and arrive and row and just 177 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: go buy a tag, we have to apply it for 178 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: a tag. And Kansas for example, So you know, if 179 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: I happen to tag out fairly quickly in Kansas, then 180 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,319 Speaker 1: I can just hit Missouri on my way home and 181 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: spend a few days in scenarios that I've already scouted 182 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: out in Missouri. So um, I will say usually I'll 183 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: take one or two trips a year, but sometimes it 184 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: will be as many as four states. Wow, busy fall Um. 185 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: This kind of just popped in my head. But I 186 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: know you mentioned you lived in Iowa for a period 187 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 1: of time, and I've got some friends, including Dan our 188 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: co host, who lives in Iowa as well. Do you 189 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: think there's any for a guy that already lives in 190 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 1: the top White tail state. Is it worth doing one 191 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,599 Speaker 1: of these out of state rips um just for the 192 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: sake of it, or you know, what's your opinion on that. 193 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: Were you going out of state when you lived in 194 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: Iowa or did you focus on, you know, right at 195 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: home where you knew there was some good deer. Well. 196 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: I did make one out of state trip when I 197 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: lived in Iowa. I primarily hunted throughout the state, though 198 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: I would go to areas that I felt were better 199 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: areas than where I lived and other than the north 200 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: central part of the state. I was kind of born 201 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,599 Speaker 1: and raised there, and and uh, you know, it's a 202 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: real open flat farm country and with the shotgun season, 203 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 1: the deer just don't have a place to hide. And 204 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: you know, the soils are perfect, everything is perfect for 205 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: growing big bucks. The genetics are there. It's just that 206 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: they got shot down so hard that the potential to 207 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: shoot a bigger buck is in in uh other parts 208 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: of the state northeast and southeast and south central. And 209 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: I've um. So that's what I was doing when I 210 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: lived in Iowa. Then fishing. I was involved in tournament fishing, 211 00:10:55,920 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: which which brought me to Minnesota. And so after I Movednnesota, 212 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: I got a lot more uh. And I always said 213 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: that for a fisherman, it's a great place to live. 214 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 1: For for a deer, enters like dying to going to Hell. 215 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: And this part of this part of Minnesota, UM the deer. 216 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:16,719 Speaker 1: Eighty percent of the bucks are shot when they're a 217 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 1: year and a half hold in this part of the state. UM. 218 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 1: There's there's pockets of good whitetil hunting in Minnesota, don't 219 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 1: get me wrong, but overall the state is not one 220 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: of the top states. So I would say, if you 221 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: live in a great state, you can add another state, UM, 222 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: just and and have an opportunity to go shoot another 223 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: buck in another state, even if you're in a terrific location. 224 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: There's no point in and feeling like you're limited to 225 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,559 Speaker 1: one state, even if you're in one of the best states. Yeah. 226 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 1: So so for you Dan, since you live in Iowa, 227 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: have you ever thought about this? Have you ever considered 228 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: going out of state? Or I don't know, have you before? 229 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: I have not hunted white tails out of state, UM 230 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: because I don't want to sound arrogant, but I have 231 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: good white tail property, so I'm and I don't own 232 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:04,599 Speaker 1: it or at least it, I just have permission to 233 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: hunt a really really good um piece of Iowa property. Now, 234 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: if I was to go out of state to hunt 235 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: a different white tail, UM, a different white tail state, 236 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: I'd probably go somewhere like Kansas where the terrain is different. 237 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: Um my uncle lives down there, so I'd already have 238 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: kind of an in um and uh, you know, just 239 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: a different type of hunting. It's not your Iowa egg 240 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: fields and draws and UM rolling timbers as opposed to 241 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: a flatter land where you're hunting like UM correct systems, 242 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 1: river systems and fence rows. Basically, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. 243 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: So that that brings up another good question. Then you know, 244 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 1: you mentioned one of the things you'd be looking for 245 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: was a different experience. But Bernie, when you're looking at 246 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: a state to potentially hunt, you know, what's what's the 247 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: most important thing you're looking for? And what are a 248 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: couple of factors that you're taking a look at when 249 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: deciding what you're out of state destination should be. Well, 250 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: a different experience certainly is one of them. I I 251 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 1: just had a ball hunt in Montana, UM in southeastern Montana, 252 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: and I never dreamed that I'd climb in a tree 253 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: stand when it was a hundred degrees um. But I 254 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: mean literally, I just had so much fun because I 255 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: saw so many deer and I killed a beautiful ten 256 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: pointer on the third day that I was out there, 257 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: on September three. I think it was a two thousand 258 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:28,959 Speaker 1: and eleven or twelve and no it actually there was 259 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: actually velvet deer with it, but um, this one had 260 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: already uh rubbed this velvet off. Now I like hunting 261 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: North Dakota because it's completely different out there where I hunt. Um, 262 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: you know, there's there's that's a big part of it. 263 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 1: I'm I am kind of in love with the challenge 264 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: of out winning a mature deer. So that's another big 265 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: part of it for me, as I want to go 266 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: to places where I have a chance to shoot a 267 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: nice deer and uh that doesn't necessarily mean it has 268 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: the biggest rack. You know, in my book, there's a 269 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: picture of a six year old buck that won't even 270 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: make Pope and young animals. But I shot that buck 271 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 1: on public land, and to me, that's really gratifying because 272 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a real challenge to shoot the 273 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,719 Speaker 1: mature buck on public land and so the fact that 274 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: that thing wasn't a hundred buck didn't mean that much 275 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: to me. It was an older, mature, big bodied buck 276 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: with a thick chest, and that was that wasn't really 277 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: fun hunt for me, and I was really happy with that. Here, 278 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: I bet I can. I can definitely relate to that. 279 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: I killed kind of a similar deal kill the five 280 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: and a half year old this past year. That that 281 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: weren't score well at all and wasn't the biggest rack 282 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: in the world, But you know, the amount of work 283 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: that went into it. It just again, like we talked 284 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: about earlier, that work, it kind of manifests itself and 285 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: how much you enjoy the hunt and you know the 286 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: memories afterwards too well. Another important part of this too 287 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 1: is that you know, I'm doing this not to please 288 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: a TV audience or anything. I'm basically doing this for myself. 289 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: So you know, if a guy would shoot that buck 290 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: on TV, the viewers ago, man, why do you shoot 291 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: that dear? But I don't. I don't care about that. 292 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: You know, I'm I'm out there because you know, I'm 293 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: out there to enjoy the challenge, and that deer was 294 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: a perfect dear for that situation. I was the twelfth 295 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: day of a seven day hunt. You know what I mean? 296 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: I was. I was expecting to leave after seven days, 297 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: and I was still there after twelve days. So the 298 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: trophy is in the eye of the beholder, right, exactly exactly? Yeah, 299 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: so true. Um. Now, in your book, Bernie, you mentioned 300 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: a pretty detailed kind of research process that you go 301 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: through when looking to find these different states and properties. Um. 302 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: And a lot of the same things you've done, you've 303 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: done I do as well. But for the listeners out there, 304 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: could you maybe break down a handful of the different 305 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: steps that go into you choosing your state and then 306 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: you're the area and property. Um. I think that'd be 307 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: really interesting. Yeah. I think that's probably the part that 308 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: people seem to like the most about the book, is 309 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: the process to explain how to go through the You know, 310 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: you're starting wide, you haven't even decided what states you're 311 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: going to go through, and you're getting down and you're 312 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: you're working it down from that broad approach all the 313 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: way down to the exact tree you're going to hang 314 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: your stand into in some states somewhere in a piece 315 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: of property. Well, how do you get from point eight 316 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: to point b um? Is pretty important process. And uh, 317 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: I really think that the key to it is being 318 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: able to do the research. And when I first started 319 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: doing this, there was absolutely nothing compared to what there 320 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: is today as far as research tools. You know, Um, 321 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: your website, my website, bow Hunting Road dot com has 322 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: a lot of resources. This book has sixty pages of 323 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: information about which states are the good states and what 324 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: parts of the states produced the biggest books and and 325 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: so forth. Yeah, and um, there's so much information out 326 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: so you can get on Google Earth. You know, I've 327 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: killed deer in places that I found on Google Earth. 328 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: And um, so you know, if you start wide and 329 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: you decide, okay, you know how much of the tag 330 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: call us? How how do I get a tag? Um 331 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: over the counter states? And then I go through this 332 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 1: process in pretty good detail in the book. And you know, 333 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: if you want to haunt Iowa, it's gonna take you 334 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: at least three years to draw a tag. You have 335 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:13,719 Speaker 1: to have at least two preference points and possibly three 336 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: in some of the zones. So, um, you're not just 337 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: gonna go to Iowa this fall. Um, you could go 338 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: to uh, Missouri or North Dakota or Kentucky or some 339 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: of these good quality states that have over the counter tags. 340 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: So you've got to decide which states you're gonna go 341 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: to first, and then um, you're gonna look at what 342 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 1: public land is available in the state, how much pressure 343 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:38,479 Speaker 1: it gets, and and then you know, once you've decided 344 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 1: whish piece of property you're going to go to, then 345 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: then you're actually looking for the spots. And you can 346 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: do a lot of that online too, you know. You know, 347 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: like I said, with Google Earth, you can see potential 348 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: deer travel corridors. Um. Today's the forums today. You know, 349 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: you can go on there and it's amazing. I I've 350 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 1: put stuff on a forum and said, hey, I'm I'm 351 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 1: going to this part of the state. Anybody hunt there? 352 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: Can I can I give a piece of advice? And 353 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: I mean I had a guy actually, um that offered 354 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 1: to drive me around and show me some spots and 355 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: uh so, you know, the forums are are a great 356 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 1: place to mind information. So a lot of that can 357 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 1: be done before you ever leave home. And then of 358 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 1: course once you're on the property, then that's that's the 359 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: real key to find in the right spot. And you're 360 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 1: gonna hunt differently than you would if you own a 361 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: piece of property, you had permission on a piece of property. Um. 362 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: I call it hunting aggressively. And that's a really important 363 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: key to what makes this this all work because you know, 364 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: if you had, say a couple hundred acres of of 365 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: ground that you hunt, um, you'd probably have a couple 366 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: of betting areas there that you would never go into. 367 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:49,239 Speaker 1: You might have a sanctuary that you really avoid at 368 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: all costs. And and if you would know where the 369 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 1: deer tend to feed and where they tend to travel 370 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: and where the food sources are. But if you go 371 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,360 Speaker 1: to a new piece of proper, you gotta start from scratch, 372 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:04,679 Speaker 1: and you're gonna walk right through those betting areas and 373 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:06,679 Speaker 1: bust the deer out. And you hate doing it, but 374 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: it's part of you have to do it because you 375 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 1: need to know where they are. And um, you know, 376 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: you you can learn the travel corridors by looking at 377 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: trails and following tracks and looking at scrapes and rubs, 378 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: and you know you really have to. You have to 379 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: get out on the ground and and learn the property. 380 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 1: To the temptation is when you first get there is 381 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 1: to just here's a good looking spot, put up a 382 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,919 Speaker 1: tree stand get in it. But that's not necessarily the 383 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: best way to hunt, because you don't have the confidence 384 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: that it takes. If you're in a run hunt, you 385 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 1: might want to sit in the stand all day. Um, 386 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: you want to have confidence that you're in the right 387 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: spot before you ever get in there, because you're gonna 388 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 1: be second guesting yourself all the time if you don't. 389 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: And you so you've got you've got to know what's 390 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 1: over the next hill, and that way you have confidence 391 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: when you do get in the stand that you're in 392 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: the right spot. So those are all pretty important keys 393 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: to it. And the the first day I arrived at 394 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 1: a new property, I rarely hunt. The first day, I'm 395 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: usually maybe glassing the property from the roads with the 396 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: spotting scope, trying to figure out where the dear activity is. 397 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: And the first stand that I put up is likely 398 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 1: to be what I call an observation stand, where I'm 399 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 1: actually putting a stand up in a place where I 400 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: can have a good view of a large field or 401 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:22,959 Speaker 1: open timber or something like that, and trying to get 402 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: a better feel for what the movement looks like. And 403 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 1: and then throughout the week then I'll narrow it down 404 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: and narrow it down, and by the time I, UM, 405 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: you know, I have to have three or four days 406 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 1: onto my belt. I'm usually pushing all my chips into 407 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: one spot. You know, I'm cashing in. I'm going all 408 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: in on one tree where this is the place I 409 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: think it's gonna happen. You know that. Oh, I'm sorry 410 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 1: with that said. Um, how many times do you visit 411 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: a property before, like the season actually starting before your trip? 412 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: I know time and distance have a lot to do 413 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: with that, but do you do a lot of scouting 414 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: on those properties physically before before you do a hunt? 415 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: Typically I don't very much because they're usually too far away. UM. 416 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 1: I try to if I can, if I'm in an 417 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 1: area like for example, you know I told you I'm 418 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 1: going to Kentucky UM this fall. Well, I was at 419 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:23,199 Speaker 1: the Archery trade show UM in Kentucky, are in UH 420 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: in Nashville UH in January, and I drove through some 421 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,439 Speaker 1: of the area that I'll be hunting this fall on 422 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: my way back, just to look at over good and 423 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 1: kind of see what the lay of the land looks like. 424 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 1: So there's occasion when I can do that, but more 425 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: likely I tend to UM to go back some of 426 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: the spots that I found that are really good, and uh, 427 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: I killed it, just a terrific bucket Kansas last fall. 428 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 1: And I it was a spot that I found the 429 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: year before didn't get one, but I went back last 430 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 1: fall and uh, fine, tune my positioning a little bit 431 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: and so forth, and I just I shot a great, um, 432 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: really nice hunter forty five class eight pointer. Well, that's 433 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: the kind of a spot where I think a guy 434 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,120 Speaker 1: could go back and each year, if the wind was right, 435 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 1: you'd have a pretty good chance to shoot a decent 436 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 1: buck on that spot every year. And that's another thing 437 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 1: a person has to ask himself, are you interested in 438 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 1: keeping going back in the same spot, or you know, 439 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 1: do you want to keep trying new areas? And that's 440 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: a real trade off for me. I like to I 441 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,199 Speaker 1: like to see new I got hitchy feet, my wife says, she, 442 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 1: you know, I'm I like to try new areas. But 443 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: I also have a handful of spots that I go, yeah, 444 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 1: I gotta get back there. If it ain't this year, 445 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: I gotta go back there next year. And and so 446 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: you know, there's a combination. It's a trade off. It's 447 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: a lot of personal preference to and what you like 448 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 1: more for the adventure definitely. So So speaking of your 449 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: your hunting strategy, Burnie, that was one of the things 450 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: I was hoping to dive into it as I saw 451 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: in the book, and as you mentioned, you know, usually 452 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: start your hunts so the observations stand start learning things 453 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: and then narrowed down your stand options. How do you 454 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,959 Speaker 1: use trail cameras throughout that process? For the trail cameras 455 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 1: are a really important component to the process. I I 456 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 1: there's two reasons I like to use a lot of 457 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: trail cameras. Number one because I want to know what 458 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,640 Speaker 1: the potential of the area is as soon as possible. Um, 459 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: I want to inventory the box, I guess is the 460 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 1: best way to put it where. You know, if I've 461 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 1: I've been on haunts where I had a hundred buck 462 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: walked by the first time I sat in the stand 463 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 1: and I passed them up, and then I was there 464 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: for a week and that turned out to be the 465 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: biggest buck I saw. You know. So the stiller you 466 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: can get a handle on what the potential of the 467 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,679 Speaker 1: area is, the better off you are. And there's no 468 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 1: better way to do that than with trail cameras, and 469 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 1: in particular I hang them both on trails and on 470 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 1: scrapes and scrapes um anytime after about the last week 471 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 1: in October, third or last week in October. If you 472 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: start putting trail cameras on scrapes and then use some 473 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 1: good fresh year and or some beerloo are in those scrapes, 474 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: you'll inventory the majority of the box. Within three or 475 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: four days, you'll have the majority of the box on camera. 476 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 1: So you have a lot better chance, you have a 477 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 1: lot better idea of what the potential is and what 478 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: you should hold out for. And uh so that's the 479 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: first aspect. Of second aspect is it will tell you 480 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: what stage of the rut these d are in based 481 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 1: on how they're reacting. And you know, you can look 482 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 1: at them and see how um, you know, how heavily 483 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,679 Speaker 1: they're working the scrapes and are their tarso glands stained 484 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: up like they've been running pretty hard? Are that those 485 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: in the scrapes are just the box bills will give 486 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: you clues as to what the status of the rut 487 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 1: is and that will help you make decisions on stand placement. 488 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 1: You know, are these bucks on the cruise or are 489 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: they starting to Uh, to get in a lockdown stage 490 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 1: where they're actually coupled up with those and aren't traveling 491 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 1: as much, then you need to be focusing more on 492 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: the betting areas and so forth. So yeah, trail cameras. 493 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: I literally have four to six trail cameras out almost 494 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: all the time when I'm hunting. Wow. Yeah, that was 495 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 1: exactly what I was going to ask, was how many 496 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 1: cameras you've got out there? Do you do you use 497 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 1: any of the any of the new cameras that are 498 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: transmitting you know, photos right to your phone or to 499 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: your computer at all, or are you still visiting those 500 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 1: cameras to physically check on the SD card. I'm I'm 501 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,959 Speaker 1: physically checking them, and I get in and out as 502 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,159 Speaker 1: quick as I can with these cameras. Um. And I 503 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: also use like the sent killer sprays on my pant 504 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 1: legs as I'm moving through the forest to try to 505 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: try to reduce my scent as much as possible. You know, 506 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: you're doing it the way that I do it, and 507 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: this aggressive style hunting. You can't completely reduce you can't 508 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: completely eliminate your impact on the area, but you can't 509 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: reduce it by by moving quickly and reducing your scent. 510 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: And uh, and I don't check cameras until I need to. 511 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: You know, I'd like to let them sit for two 512 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: or three days if possible, But there are times you 513 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: just have to go find out what's there because you 514 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: need to know where you're gonna hunt that night. Yeah, 515 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: now that makes sense. Then you have any other questions 516 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 1: the top of your head after hearing a couple of 517 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 1: these things, Well, I mean I obviously I got a 518 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: ton of questions because that's just the type of person. First. 519 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: First things First, though, you're from Forest City, right, Yeah, yep, 520 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:20,919 Speaker 1: I graduated from Waldorf College. Small world. Now back to 521 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 1: white tails. Um, I think I read somewhere where you 522 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: said you've been somewhere north twenty do it yourself hunts? 523 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: Is that correct? Yeah? Well that what's your success rate 524 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 1: on these hunts? Um? My success rate is probably just 525 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 1: under I would say I haven't actually counted them up, 526 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: but I would say, um, between one out of two 527 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: to one out of three is is. And I'm fairly selective. Um, 528 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not holding out for a really big 529 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: buck in every hunt, but I'm I'm fairly selective and 530 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 1: I will um, you know, I'll go home with the 531 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 1: tag in my pocket rather than shoot a buck. That 532 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: doesn't satisfy me, you know. So, But realistically, I'm going 533 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: back to the unrealistic expectations that people sometimes have when 534 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: they start out doing this. Um If if you can 535 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 1: get a buck one, one or two, um, you know, 536 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: or thirty percent of the time on these hunts, you're 537 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: doing pretty good. That's that's the reality of it. Oh yeah, no, 538 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: I've seen the same thing. These these hunts aren't easy, 539 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,719 Speaker 1: and I think, like you said, people need to go 540 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 1: into it with that type of expectation that part of 541 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: what you're going into is the experience, and it's it's 542 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 1: going to be a challenge, but it's very rewarding when 543 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: it does come together. And even when things don't come together. 544 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: I think, at least personally, I learned so much from 545 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 1: these kinds of hunts, and it's just it's such a 546 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: fun challenge to try to put myself up against that. 547 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 1: It's it's worth going into it knowing that it could 548 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: be pretty difficult. Right now, one other thing or a 549 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: couple of other things that I thought were pretty interesting. 550 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,160 Speaker 1: Taking taking a step back away from the act, will 551 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: hunt is a few of the logistics that you talk 552 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 1: about in the book. Um, specifically, you have some interesting 553 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 1: ideas about kind of housing, So where you stayed during 554 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: the hunt and then actually then how you're eating. Could 555 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 1: you share with us a little bit about your philosophy 556 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,719 Speaker 1: on on how you handle those two topics. Yeah, that's uh, 557 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: that's a really good question. And I do so man 558 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,400 Speaker 1: these seminars, and I think that's probably the number one 559 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: question that people ask. And there's a lot of different 560 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: options for lodging. One of them is like Dan mentioned, 561 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: where if you know somebody and have a bed to sleep, 562 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: then that's terrific because you're saving a lot of money. 563 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 1: You have a you know, you have a base of 564 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: operation already in place. I've stayed in a lot of 565 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: motel rooms. When I can, I pull a travel trailer. 566 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: I love. I love the travel trailer because it works perfect. 567 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: I got everything there. Um, you know, I just get 568 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: up in the morning, make myself a couple of pieces 569 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: of toast, frying egg or something like that, and uh, 570 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 1: and go hunt. And And surprising how many of these 571 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: states allow you to camp and a travel trailer or 572 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: a tent on the public hunting area or in the 573 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: parking lots of the public hunting area. You know, I've 574 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,719 Speaker 1: camped in Missouri and North Dakota in some of these 575 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: places where there's no charge. He just pull up in camp. 576 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: Every few days you got to go, you know, get 577 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: more water, LP gas or drain your um sewer or whatever. 578 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: But reality is, that's that's my preferred way to do it. 579 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: I've also camped in a tent um, which has been okay, 580 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: but it's hard to find a good shower at times. 581 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: And um, you know, a couple of times I have 582 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: been able to camp or stay in a cabin in 583 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: Kansas a couple of years ago, actually rented a cabin 584 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: from the Bible Camp that was closed for the winter 585 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: and they just had a few cabins that they kept 586 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: the heat on and they ran in about for sixty 587 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: bucks a night, and that was really nice because I 588 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: had to kitchen egg in it. Everything that was you know, 589 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: for sixty bucks a night, it's not fat at all. 590 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: So that worked out because there's a lot of different 591 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: options for lodging, and one thing I like to do 592 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: is trade hunts. Also, um, the aren't always public land hunts, 593 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: but you know, I have really good bear hunting where 594 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: I live here in Minnesota, and I'll go out and 595 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: I'll seek out people that have quality white tail hunting 596 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: somewhere that are willing to trade me a hunt. I'll 597 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: offer him a bear hunt in exchange for a white 598 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: tail hunt, and then I have a place to stay 599 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: and and some help in that way. So you know, 600 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: that's that's there's a lot of options for lodging. As 601 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: far as the food goes, I'm up. You know. I 602 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: like when people say I I live to eat, not 603 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: eat to live. No, So I I like a hot 604 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: meal at the end of the day, and and it 605 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: keeps my spirit up. And uh so I use a 606 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: lot of crock pot meals for slow cookers, you know. 607 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: And I'll take and put the meals together before I 608 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: leave home, and just take like a tupperware and I'll 609 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: throw everything in there, like a piece of roast and 610 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: and some onion and potato and everything that goes in 611 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: there with and throwing the freezer. And then when I 612 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: get up in the morning, I'll plug in the crock 613 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: pot and turn it on and just drop that frozen 614 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: hunk in the crock pot. And when I get home 615 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 1: after getting out the three stand it dark, then the 616 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 1: room smells delicious and I got a meal waiting for me. 617 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: So I used that a lot, and yeah there. Uh 618 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: you know, I think that eating well really helps keep 619 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: your spirit up and keep your grys going. You can 620 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: wear it down if the weather is nasty and stuff 621 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: like that. You know, after four or five days a 622 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: hunt and heart and nasty weather, you can lose your 623 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: drive if you're not careful. And but if you're going 624 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: to go to a restaurant for two or three meals 625 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: a day, it's gonna run up a pretty big bill 626 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: and you can get pretty sick and tired of restaurant 627 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: food too. Yeah that's the truth. I I, unfortunately, have 628 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: typically fallen into that crowd. Um, you know, I save 629 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: the money on I usually try to get the cheapest 630 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: hotel I can get, and I'm I'm usually staying at 631 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: a pretty lousy place. But for some reason then I 632 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: splurge and have been going up to eat every night. 633 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: And when I was reading your book, I was like, jeez, like, 634 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: there are a lot of better ways I could be 635 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 1: doing this. Rather than eating McDonald's every night and killing myself, 636 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: I could uh eat something nice from home and save 637 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: a bunch of money on top of them. That's a 638 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: great idea. Yeah, do you have any other, you know, 639 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: favorite snacks or anything during the day. I think, you know, 640 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 1: it sounds like you're doing much like what I do 641 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: hunting all day on these hunting trips. Um. You know, 642 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: is there anything particularly that you like to pack for 643 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: that hunt during the day or do you just grab 644 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: whatever is handy A grin all bar, candy bar or something. 645 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: Pretty much, I'm just basically eating snacks during the course 646 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: of the day, you know, drin all the bar or 647 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: some trail mix, maybe an apple or something like that 648 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 1: in the backpack that you know. I tend to choose 649 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 1: things that I can eat easily without a lot of 650 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 1: movement or noise. I don't like crack lee rappers and 651 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: stuff like that if it's really still out, I don't, 652 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: you know, I want to be real careful and interestingly. 653 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: UM A lot of people when they're it seems like 654 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: a buck likes to show up when you're eating. So 655 00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: it's a good idea to kind of have a plan 656 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: and where you're gonna pitch something that's in your hand, 657 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: whether that's your phone or a book or or a 658 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 1: good oli bar. It's it's always a good idea to 659 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 1: know if the deer shows up, how can you get 660 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: rid of it in a hurry and get your bowl 661 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 1: in your hand? You know, So I always try to 662 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 1: have a plan of what I'm gonna Do you ever practice? 663 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: Do you ever practice shooting your bow with like a 664 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: sandwich in your mouth or an apple in your mouth? No? 665 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 1: I haven't, like it's something worth trying. Yeah, I suppose 666 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 1: I use a kisser button, so that might be a 667 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: little awkward. That's great, Danny. Did you have any other 668 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 1: questions that are popping up in your head? Just as 669 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: far as you know, you mentioned different classes of animal 670 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: um that you kind of go after. Now, as a 671 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 1: hunt progresses and you've been there for like a four 672 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: day and you're moving on to your fifth, sixth, seventh, 673 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 1: do your standards stay true to like day one or 674 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: do you you let your standards go as the as 675 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: the hunt or the trip progresses. I think your standards 676 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: evolved based on the information you're gathering for me. It 677 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,320 Speaker 1: does um, you know, I pretty much have a minimum 678 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 1: of what I'm willing to take, and it also has 679 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 1: to do with where I'm at in the hunt. And 680 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: how I'm going to take care of that deer, you know. 681 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 1: Um there, and some of my hunts I have to 682 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 1: just throw the deer in the truck and go home. 683 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 1: And so you know that's a component to it too. 684 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 1: If I'm going, if I'm going to another state, then 685 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,360 Speaker 1: I want to make sure if I gotta, if I 686 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 1: gotta take care of a gear, it's going to be 687 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 1: one that's worth taken care of, you know. So that's 688 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,399 Speaker 1: another part of it. And I've you know, you we've 689 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,799 Speaker 1: all heard this statement that you should never pass up 690 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 1: on the first day what you shoot on the last day. 691 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,839 Speaker 1: And I don't really agree with that, because you know, 692 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:53,320 Speaker 1: your your information does evolve through the course of the hunt. 693 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: And m you know, here's a good example. And I 694 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,240 Speaker 1: tell this story in the book and I just happened 695 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,879 Speaker 1: last fall where I do an Iola tag and takes 696 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 1: three years to draw this Iowa tag and then I 697 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 1: had some really big bucks on trail camera. And um, 698 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,800 Speaker 1: I've been in Iowa for two days and my wife 699 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,320 Speaker 1: calls and and she told me that her mother died. 700 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 1: So here I'm in a situation. What do I do do? 701 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 1: I go home and unfortunately have an amazing wife who 702 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 1: said you better staying hunt. You know, I know how 703 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: long it took you to draw this tag, and I 704 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 1: don't want you to just come home for me. And um. 705 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 1: So this was like on a Tuesday or Wednesday, and 706 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 1: the funerals on a Saturday. So suddenly my perception of 707 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 1: what I was willing to take changed because I was 708 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: planning to go to Canada's after that. And on Friday 709 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: morning about class buck comes in and presents me a 710 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 1: perfect shot, and I just saw I'd still in love 711 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 1: with the timing. Normally I wouldn't have shot that buck 712 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: at that point in the hunt, but then at that 713 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 1: point I could shoot that buck and put in the 714 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,840 Speaker 1: truck and go to the funeral, which is halfway between 715 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: home and where I was then, so and so that's 716 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 1: what I did. I cut the cord of the book 717 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 1: and put it in Cooler's like, I gave it to 718 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,719 Speaker 1: my wife, who took it home after the funeral, and 719 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,439 Speaker 1: then I went on to Kansas. So that's a case 720 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 1: where everything changed with one phone call. Your wife sounds 721 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 1: awesome by the way she is, She's absolutely crazy, or 722 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:19,799 Speaker 1: she would never put up with a guy like me 723 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 1: for thirty or five years. I think behind every good 724 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 1: hunter is an amazing wife. I think that's pretty safe 725 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 1: to say for most of us. So you brought up 726 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 1: a topic that I wanted to touch on, Bernie, and 727 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 1: that was how you handle your dear after you're successful, 728 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 1: after you kill one. UM. You know, in my situation, 729 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: sometimes I've been with a partner where one of us 730 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,239 Speaker 1: is hunting, UM, and if one of us kills one, 731 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 1: the other will still stick around and help you film 732 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,880 Speaker 1: the hunt or something like that, because we're typically filming 733 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 1: your hunts. So in those cases, we've brought our dear 734 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,240 Speaker 1: to a local processor and had them, you know, process 735 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 1: the deer, freese it, and then when both of us 736 00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 1: are done hunting, then we'll come back, grab that and 737 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 1: head home. But in your case, what are you typically doing? 738 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: And we're some of the options that a guy can 739 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:08,239 Speaker 1: can look at. I have done that before, UM, and 740 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 1: that works great. It depends on you know. I like 741 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,360 Speaker 1: to butcher my own dear. So if I'm done and 742 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 1: I shoot a deer and I'm reading home, I'll just 743 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,840 Speaker 1: take it home and do it at home. UM. I 744 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 1: try to take a deep freeze with me whenever I can, 745 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 1: especially if I'm going to more than one state at 746 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 1: a time. And I have a small chest freezer that 747 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 1: I can get in the back of my truck or 748 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,319 Speaker 1: it fits in the front of my trailer. And I've 749 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 1: butch your deer right there in my trailer and and 750 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 1: just wrapped it and froze it right there. And that's 751 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,400 Speaker 1: that's another option too. So um, there's I and I 752 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 1: like venison. Our family eats a lot of innocent and 753 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,920 Speaker 1: so if I have a dough tag, you know, and 754 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 1: I have a way to take care of that dough, 755 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 1: I'm and if it won't um impact my ability to 756 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 1: get a buck, I'm gonna shoot a doll and go 757 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 1: ahead and get it butchered and frozen. To Um, I've 758 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: taken that chest freezer in the back could pick up. 759 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 1: I've taken it in my camping trailer. I've uh, I 760 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 1: gotta tell you that has a utility trailer. And he 761 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,960 Speaker 1: used like likes to bring a four wheeler long when 762 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,800 Speaker 1: he goes with me, and we trolled the deep freeze 763 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,000 Speaker 1: in there. Um. So there's a lot of different options. 764 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,080 Speaker 1: I've flown on a couple of hunts and in that case, 765 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:17,759 Speaker 1: I had to give the deer away. I don't like 766 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 1: that very much. Yeah, no, I don't think I would either, 767 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,920 Speaker 1: But sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. Um. 768 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,360 Speaker 1: So that said, then I wanted to switch now to 769 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,880 Speaker 1: a couple of questions that we had submitted by some 770 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 1: of our readers, and one reader, Danna Doutoy, had asked, 771 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 1: you know, how do you approach landowners when in the 772 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,799 Speaker 1: situations where you're asking for permission given the fact that 773 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 1: you're an out of state hunter? Do you ever have 774 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 1: a negative reaction given the fact that you're out of state? 775 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,799 Speaker 1: Or do you just leave that out completely? You know, 776 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,920 Speaker 1: how do you handle that situation? I think that's and 777 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 1: I actually I dedicate part of the book into what 778 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,759 Speaker 1: I call the lost start for getting permission. And it's 779 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 1: more difficult if you're out of state, but it really 780 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,840 Speaker 1: helps if you just take a minute to kind of 781 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,799 Speaker 1: get to know the people and so forth. Um. A 782 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,719 Speaker 1: lot of times people just they're in their full camouflage 783 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,719 Speaker 1: and maybe even face paint, and they got mud all 784 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,439 Speaker 1: over their truck and they drive up and asked the guy, 785 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,040 Speaker 1: can I hunt your land? And you know, the reaction 786 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,799 Speaker 1: is probably gonna be pretty negative if you do that. 787 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 1: But I mean, he's gonna look at your truck and goes, 788 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 1: this guy gotta tear up my fields, and you know, 789 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,840 Speaker 1: he looks kind of scary. Um. So I think it 790 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,480 Speaker 1: helps to change your clothes and clean up and just 791 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,719 Speaker 1: go tell the guy and tell him a little bit 792 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 1: of you know, tell me a little about about yourself, 793 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,360 Speaker 1: and and that you're in the area and you're hunting, 794 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,840 Speaker 1: and you you you'd like to have an opportunity to 795 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,719 Speaker 1: hunt his property, and just and before he has a 796 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,879 Speaker 1: chance to say no, just say, you know, I'm real conscientious. 797 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,480 Speaker 1: I make sure I close the gates and I don't 798 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,200 Speaker 1: drive on the fields when they're wet, and just become 799 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,400 Speaker 1: a salesman, I guess. And um, there's always gonna be 800 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 1: some negative. There's guys that have had bad experiences. But 801 00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,080 Speaker 1: I would say overall, the fact that you're from a 802 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 1: different state isn't as much of a negative as you 803 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:08,360 Speaker 1: might think up front. I think your appearance and your demeanor, um, 804 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:14,239 Speaker 1: and your credibility probably trumps you're you know, your home. Yeah, 805 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 1: that's great. I always like to say, Um, I think 806 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 1: you know, asking for permission on someone else's property to 807 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,400 Speaker 1: hunt is always kind of um. It's nerve wracking, it's 808 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,680 Speaker 1: a little intimidating. Um. So I would just for the 809 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,520 Speaker 1: listeners out there, if you've never done that, you know, 810 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,800 Speaker 1: I would just encourage you to give it a shot 811 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,000 Speaker 1: to not to not be too worried about that, because 812 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,799 Speaker 1: you know, right now, before asking somebody for permission, the 813 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,880 Speaker 1: answer is already no. So when you go up there 814 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,839 Speaker 1: and knock on the door, the worst thing that can 815 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,279 Speaker 1: happen is that the answer stays the same. So it's 816 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,040 Speaker 1: worth a shot, and it can really pay off, at 817 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 1: least in my experience, you know, getting that private property 818 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:52,560 Speaker 1: access can can really help, you know. One other, one 819 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,120 Speaker 1: other question from a from a reader here, Jake huff 820 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,120 Speaker 1: had asked which state, Bernie, do you think is the 821 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,279 Speaker 1: most overlooked when it comes to d I Y White 822 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,279 Speaker 1: to Hunts. Is there a sleeper state out there that 823 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:07,040 Speaker 1: you think tops the tops of the ranks. Oh boy, 824 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,719 Speaker 1: we'll have to just give you one. You can cheat 825 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:16,880 Speaker 1: and give us you want to, Yeah, I would say, um, 826 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,600 Speaker 1: I want to give you three of them, okay, and 827 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,719 Speaker 1: I'll give you in the order that I think they are. 828 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,280 Speaker 1: I think North Dakota is probably the number one because 829 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,040 Speaker 1: it has so much public land and so little hunting pressure. 830 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,680 Speaker 1: I mean, the population of Chicago is like four times 831 00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,200 Speaker 1: the population of the entire state in North Dakota, you know, 832 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,279 Speaker 1: and everybody hunts in North Dakota, but they all have 833 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,080 Speaker 1: their own land, you know. And there's huge amounts of 834 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,560 Speaker 1: public land out there. And I've hunted, you know, several 835 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,279 Speaker 1: acre properties and been the only one bow hunting it. 836 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,120 Speaker 1: And the trophy potential is pretty good in North Dakota. 837 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,680 Speaker 1: Um So I would say that that is one of 838 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,399 Speaker 1: my favorites. Eastern Colorado. Some there is one that very 839 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,680 Speaker 1: few people think about when they think about white tails, 840 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,400 Speaker 1: but there are some really nice white tails in eastern Colorado. 841 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 1: There's a lot of big ranches and farms where the guys, 842 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,080 Speaker 1: the people that owe them, um, they don't value white 843 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:11,160 Speaker 1: tails that much and they're happy to um to let 844 00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,320 Speaker 1: you hunt their land more likely than they are in 845 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,040 Speaker 1: in in an Iowa. In Illinois, for example, it's fairly 846 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,920 Speaker 1: easy to get permission in the Western States. In fact, Colorado, 847 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,480 Speaker 1: Wyoming and Montana are all three like that, where a 848 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,719 Speaker 1: lot of these white tails are patternable because they're eating 849 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,280 Speaker 1: in the alfalfa fields at night and there's big herds 850 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,600 Speaker 1: of them out there, and the landowners are like nan, 851 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,759 Speaker 1: those things are eating all my alfalfa. And also it's 852 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,279 Speaker 1: fairly easy to get permission. I like spot in the 853 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,879 Speaker 1: stock deer once in a while. Colorado is perfect for that. 854 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,200 Speaker 1: It's a it's a great place where you just go 855 00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:41,960 Speaker 1: out and you see the deer bed down on this 856 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,040 Speaker 1: wide open plains of eastern Colorado and then sneak up 857 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:49,879 Speaker 1: on them. And then I would say another sleeper is Indiana. Um, 858 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,640 Speaker 1: there's some really good quality deer hunting Indiana. There's some 859 00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:56,400 Speaker 1: fairly good sized properties that have public hunting, full state 860 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,319 Speaker 1: and Army Corps of Engineer properties around the reservoirs and 861 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,760 Speaker 1: so forth. And you know, I I there's sixteen states 862 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:04,080 Speaker 1: in the book that I go into a lot of 863 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,680 Speaker 1: detail on the opportunities in them, and so there's others 864 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,600 Speaker 1: that I would kind of consider sleeper states too. Everybody 865 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,319 Speaker 1: knows about Wisconsin and I when Illinois they're great, They're 866 00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,000 Speaker 1: very good. Um, Illinois and Wisconsin particularly have a lot 867 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:21,000 Speaker 1: of hunting pressure on their public lands, but they consistently 868 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:25,560 Speaker 1: produced good quality dear so they're not sleepers. But uh, 869 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,680 Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of good hunting out there if 870 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,399 Speaker 1: a person really wants to go find it. Yeah, that's 871 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,239 Speaker 1: so true. Well it's funny, you know. I took a 872 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,640 Speaker 1: look at your UM, you know, your top sixteen destinations states, 873 00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:39,279 Speaker 1: and I found that really interesting, especially because several weeks 874 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,879 Speaker 1: ago I was actually putting together an article for North 875 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,239 Speaker 1: American white tail ranking the top twenty d I Y 876 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,359 Speaker 1: states for white tails. And so it's interesting to look 877 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,600 Speaker 1: at my list based on the research I had done 878 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,239 Speaker 1: and compare that to your set of destination states. And 879 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,319 Speaker 1: there was a lot, of course or the same UM. 880 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,880 Speaker 1: But something interesting. When I was creating this list, I 881 00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:58,319 Speaker 1: was looking at a lot of the factors that we've 882 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,600 Speaker 1: talked about today, you know, license cost, ease of acquisition, 883 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,880 Speaker 1: hunter density, public land quantity, and quality. But then we 884 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,680 Speaker 1: also looked at um kind of a way of judging 885 00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,719 Speaker 1: trophy potential, but on a per hunter basis. So we 886 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,319 Speaker 1: took at the number. We took a look at the 887 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,560 Speaker 1: number of Boone and Crockett entries per year and Pomping 888 00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,640 Speaker 1: Young entries per year and divided by divided that by 889 00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,959 Speaker 1: the number of hunters to really see what the real 890 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,200 Speaker 1: likelihood of you know, per hunter, what the chances were 891 00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,080 Speaker 1: at a at a boone and cracker, pope and young buck. 892 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,279 Speaker 1: And something pretty interesting I found is that actually Colorado, 893 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:34,320 Speaker 1: like you mentioned, had a significantly better chance of tagging 894 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,520 Speaker 1: a trophy buck than almost anywhere else. And because they 895 00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,920 Speaker 1: have such a low number of white tail hunters that 896 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,120 Speaker 1: you know, for that low number, they're actually getting some 897 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,840 Speaker 1: pretty nice deer. But then all the other states you 898 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,440 Speaker 1: mentioned to the right up there on the top of 899 00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,719 Speaker 1: the list, there's I think, like you mentioned, I think, 900 00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:50,759 Speaker 1: when it comes right down to it, there's a lot 901 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,040 Speaker 1: of great options if you're just willing to, you know, 902 00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:54,719 Speaker 1: put in the work and go out there and give 903 00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:58,239 Speaker 1: it a shot. Yeah. And you know, people also need 904 00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,000 Speaker 1: to realize that, um, when you look at the number 905 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,120 Speaker 1: of pope and young and poop and and boone and 906 00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,400 Speaker 1: Crockett bucks that are killed in some of these states, 907 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,839 Speaker 1: you have to compare that to the actual number overall 908 00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,520 Speaker 1: deer harvest. You know, you would, you know, a deer 909 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,280 Speaker 1: let's say a state like Iowa. And I'm just gonna 910 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:16,719 Speaker 1: grab a number out of the air here because I 911 00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,319 Speaker 1: don't know if tom My head what the number is 912 00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,960 Speaker 1: that let's say Iowa kills one boone and crocodile of 913 00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:27,000 Speaker 1: every um forty or twenty tho white tails or something 914 00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,040 Speaker 1: you know that would seem like, um, you see, Iowa 915 00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,520 Speaker 1: has this many boon croccketts, and Wisconsin has this many 916 00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,160 Speaker 1: boon crockett as well. What you don't realize is Iowa's 917 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,200 Speaker 1: total harvest is, you know, about a hundred thousand deer 918 00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:43,040 Speaker 1: a year, where I think Wisconsin's told harvest is probably 919 00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,880 Speaker 1: more like seven hundred thousand deer a year. And Wisconsin 920 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,520 Speaker 1: is killing more boon and crockett white tails, but when 921 00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,600 Speaker 1: you look at the number per overall harvest, it's actually 922 00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,279 Speaker 1: a lot lower than in ratio than what I was. 923 00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,960 Speaker 1: So those are really important considerations to think about. Otherwise 924 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,480 Speaker 1: you would just look at the state that kills the 925 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,640 Speaker 1: most big box and go there. But there's a lot 926 00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,520 Speaker 1: of other factors in that too, and one of those 927 00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,719 Speaker 1: is your mole in public land and the price of 928 00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:09,920 Speaker 1: the tags, how hard it is to get a tag, 929 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,640 Speaker 1: and there's a lot of pressure on public plan there's 930 00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:16,120 Speaker 1: places in Illinois where you actually have to drive in 931 00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,360 Speaker 1: the parking lot in the morning and take a number 932 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,880 Speaker 1: and and and mark down on a on a chart 933 00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:23,919 Speaker 1: where you're going to be hunting on this public land 934 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,359 Speaker 1: and when it's full, nobody else can hunt there. I mean, 935 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:30,319 Speaker 1: that's all. That's what I call hunting pressure. That's nuts. Yeah, 936 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,759 Speaker 1: that doesn't sound like fun to me at all. Well, no, 937 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:36,799 Speaker 1: I think this is a perfect place to wrap things 938 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:38,680 Speaker 1: up here as are coming up on time. Um, but 939 00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:40,399 Speaker 1: is there anything else, Dan that you would like to add? 940 00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,040 Speaker 1: I just real quick, okay, So out of all your hunts, 941 00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:48,000 Speaker 1: do you have a memory that sticks out that you'd 942 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:55,359 Speaker 1: like to share with us? Real quick? Oh? Boy? Um, 943 00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,440 Speaker 1: you know, yes I do, and I'll tell you, and 944 00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,680 Speaker 1: it's not as much white tail related, but um, I'll 945 00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,080 Speaker 1: try to be brief. This is his fascinating story. And 946 00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,359 Speaker 1: I was my buddy Ron was with me and Um 947 00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,719 Speaker 1: in North Dakota and we're hunting piece of Army Corps 948 00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:14,880 Speaker 1: of engineer land along Lake Skakawea. And he's in a 949 00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,600 Speaker 1: stand about two hundred fifty yards from me, and my 950 00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:21,600 Speaker 1: phone rings at like fifteen minutes before sunset or before, 951 00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,120 Speaker 1: you know, halfway between sunset and dark, like fifteen minutes 952 00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,520 Speaker 1: before end of shooting light. I think, why is he 953 00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,520 Speaker 1: calling me? Now? If even if he shot a deer. 954 00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,880 Speaker 1: When he text me and I picked up the phone 955 00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,319 Speaker 1: and he goes, I just shot a mountain lion. I'm 956 00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,400 Speaker 1: like what he said? He said, I just shot a 957 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,719 Speaker 1: mountain lion. I was scared. It was like looking right 958 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:41,080 Speaker 1: up at me, and I'm like, you can't shoot a 959 00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,120 Speaker 1: mountain lione. There's didn't have a mountain lion tag in 960 00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,600 Speaker 1: North Dakota, you know. And he says, well, I hope 961 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,920 Speaker 1: I missed it then, and I'm like, what are you 962 00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:49,560 Speaker 1: And he says, well, we gotta picture up it on 963 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,960 Speaker 1: the trail camera. I'm like, he are you serious? He goes, 964 00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:56,160 Speaker 1: he said, this block come running by, and um so, 965 00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,120 Speaker 1: so he grabbed his bowl off the hangar and he said, 966 00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,160 Speaker 1: next thing, you know, here this mountain lion and it 967 00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,520 Speaker 1: stops right at the base of his tree and looks 968 00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,040 Speaker 1: up at it and it's just he tanicked, you know, 969 00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,560 Speaker 1: It's like here's a pudding out of him. And so anyway, 970 00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:11,840 Speaker 1: when he shot the mountain lion circled around behind his 971 00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:13,600 Speaker 1: tree and he didn't know what happened to it. He says, 972 00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,120 Speaker 1: you gotta come and get me, and he's not going 973 00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:17,759 Speaker 1: to get out of his tree. Do you know what 974 00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,080 Speaker 1: I'm saying? And uh but anyway, he eventually got down 975 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,080 Speaker 1: and we did have a picture of the mountain lion. 976 00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,560 Speaker 1: There was a buck at the scrape and like thirty 977 00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,120 Speaker 1: seconds the next picture, the mountain lion was at the 978 00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,640 Speaker 1: scrape and uh so that was that was a pretty 979 00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:35,319 Speaker 1: fun aspect of that hunt. Crazy. So did you know 980 00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,759 Speaker 1: did he end up hitting that line? He didn't hit 981 00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,360 Speaker 1: the mountain lion? Thank goodn he missed it. Alright, All's 982 00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:45,120 Speaker 1: well that ends well right, wow, well that is that 983 00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,680 Speaker 1: is a fascinating story. You're right, so, so Bernie. If 984 00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,279 Speaker 1: our listeners want to check out your book or get 985 00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,400 Speaker 1: more information from you or what you're doing, you know, 986 00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,719 Speaker 1: where should they go on? My website is the best 987 00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:58,960 Speaker 1: place to get its bow Hunting Road dot com like 988 00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,080 Speaker 1: road trips bowing road dot com and then click on 989 00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,480 Speaker 1: the buy books tab there and and you can order 990 00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,320 Speaker 1: a book right off of there. It's also on Amazon 991 00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,520 Speaker 1: dot Com. There's a Kindle addition for it. Also. I 992 00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,240 Speaker 1: prefer people buy it off my website because Amazon gouges 993 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,480 Speaker 1: on the commission, you know, but I'll take it anyway 994 00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,399 Speaker 1: I can get it. I guess I got a lot 995 00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:17,919 Speaker 1: of money. I got a lot of books to sell 996 00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:21,480 Speaker 1: before I break even here. But um I I think 997 00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,799 Speaker 1: the book will be fascinating people if they have any 998 00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,600 Speaker 1: interest at all in going on a bowl hunting road trip. Yeah, definitely, 999 00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,400 Speaker 1: And again, like I mentioned earlier, to everyone out there listening, 1000 00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,360 Speaker 1: I highly recommend it's The Freelance Bow Hunter by Bernie Byringer. 1001 00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,680 Speaker 1: It's a great read. I've been on a lot of 1002 00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:38,879 Speaker 1: hunts like this before and I still found a lot 1003 00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:42,080 Speaker 1: of interesting information and it's also a fun read. So 1004 00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,640 Speaker 1: go out there and check it out. Definitely would recommend that. 1005 00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,760 Speaker 1: So Bernie, thank you so much for your time today. 1006 00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,600 Speaker 1: This has been really interesting. I'm sure everyone has has 1007 00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,279 Speaker 1: really learned a lot, so thank you great. I appreciate that. 1008 00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,080 Speaker 1: So that said, thank you so much to everyone out 1009 00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,359 Speaker 1: there listening today. 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