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Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 1: Chris Harrison and Lauren z e mc comedy from the

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Speaker 1: home office in Austin, Texas. I am unbelievably excited for

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Speaker 1: this show today. If there is a show you should

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Speaker 1: this one. I think this will be moving important, inspirational, educational.

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Speaker 1: We're talking to doctor Amen, doctor Daniel Amen, who is

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Speaker 1: really the foremost educator, philosopher on brain, on mental health,

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Speaker 1: on mental education, on brain scans. His aim in clinics

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Speaker 1: have seen more brain scans than any in the world,

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Speaker 1: and he's also doing TV shows and social stuff. With

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Speaker 1: all the brain scans that he's done, he is so

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Speaker 1: fascinating and I have a thousand questions for this guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been following him on Instagram for a while,

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Speaker 2: so I'm super excited to get to talk to him.

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Speaker 2: And if you don't follow him on Instagram, do it

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Speaker 2: because he does constant videos onlike you know, just quick

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Speaker 2: tips on your mental health things, the way that certain

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Speaker 2: food affects your brain, that kind of thing. He's the

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Speaker 2: advisor to major celebrities like Miley Cyrus and a bunch

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Speaker 2: of other people and kind of also trains them on

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Speaker 2: like how to focus into their success, how to change

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Speaker 2: their outlook, like to give yourself an outlook of positivity,

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Speaker 2: to create what you want through training your brain to

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Speaker 2: look for those things. So he does this incredible combination

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Speaker 2: of he's got the real data he's scanning your brain,

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Speaker 2: combined with like how you can use that and the

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Speaker 2: way you literally talk to and in your own brain

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Speaker 2: to create the life you want.

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Speaker 3: So he is fascinating.

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Speaker 1: Physician, but also an adult and child psychiatrist as well

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Speaker 1: as the founder of the ABE and Clinics. So, as

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Speaker 1: Lauren was just alluding to, has both sides cover as

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Speaker 1: far as you know, the clinical side of being an

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Speaker 1: actual but then the psychiatry part as well. So fascinating

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Speaker 1: topic today with a very fascinating man. We are excited

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Speaker 1: to welcome doctor Amen into the show today. Doctor Amen,

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Speaker 1: how are you, sir?

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Speaker 4: I am really great, Chris, how are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm terrific. Thank you so much for the time. This

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Speaker 1: is my wife, Lauren.

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Speaker 3: Doctor Aman. I'm fangirling.

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Speaker 2: I followed you on Instagram for a couple of years,

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Speaker 2: so I'm so excited that you're here on our podcast.

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: And did you just do something with our coworker slash boss,

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Speaker 2: doctor Phil.

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Speaker 3: I feel like I saw you with him.

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Speaker 4: I did what did you guys do in the studio?

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Speaker 4: We went after diet coke together.

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Speaker 3: Oh, he's a big iced tea drinker.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm looking forward to scanning his brain.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm sorry we missed you. We're there probably a

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Speaker 2: couple times a month we do. We're we're in a

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Speaker 2: deal with Merritt Street, so we're here in Austin, Texas,

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Speaker 5: Well, how fun. I'm hoping to be there more. I'm

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Speaker 5: going to be there again in a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: On another showed to I need to be up there

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Speaker 1: whenever he's scanning brain. I want my brain. I kind

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Speaker 1: of want my brain scan, but also scared to find

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Speaker 2: Well, let's launch into the podcast with that, Doctor Amon, welcome.

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you right off the bat, should Chris

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Speaker 2: Harrison get his brain scanned?

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Speaker 3: Are you scared about that idea? Of Babe?

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Speaker 1: No, I would relish the opportunity.

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Speaker 2: What do you think what would he learn For the

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Speaker 2: you are the forefather of brain scans and all they

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Speaker 5: Well, it's only good news because you have what you

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Speaker 5: you're better. When I met my wife Goodness, almost twenty

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Speaker 3: So how quickly into dating did you scan her brain?

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Speaker 5: It was three weeks. In my family is if you

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Speaker 1: What type of scan? Just so everyone listening understands, this

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Speaker 5: Now? We do a study called brain spacked spect imaging

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Speaker 4: Much, and then my job is to balance it.

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Speaker 1: And so you can take that scan. Like you said,

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Speaker 1: it's only good news because it is what it is.

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Speaker 1: And then you said, you can make that better and better.

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Speaker 5: Well, brain health is three things. It's brain envy. You've

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Speaker 5: the lists. And quite frankly, both seven year olds know

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Speaker 1: our listeners are going to say alcohol. When you say alcohol,

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Speaker 5: And when it comes to the brain, size matters, right,

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Speaker 5: increased risk of seven different types of cancer. Cancer is

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Speaker 5: clearly bad for your brain. Right, the stress, chemotherapy and

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Speaker 5: alcohols are disinfectant. Well, in your mouth and in your gut,

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Speaker 5: It's just's not a good idea. On top of which,

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Speaker 1: Don't tell the Italians of the Greeks.

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Speaker 5: if you're going to do something bad, you better do

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Speaker 1: of super foods, things that we can do right, because Lauren.

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Speaker 3: Has met and walnuts.

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Speaker 1: Every day I'm eating tuper zil nuts and some walnuts

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Speaker 4: Than almost any fruit. I think green.

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Speaker 5: Leafy vegetables, wild salmon eggs are a superfood.

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Speaker 4: In my mind, as long as you know they're raised

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Speaker 5: And ultimately we are all creatures of habit and you

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Speaker 5: just have to find twenty foods you love that love

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Speaker 5: I was going to say that about alcohol, you love it.

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Speaker 5: I don't know, Lauren, if you've ever been in a

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Speaker 2: as a parent, how do you navigate I have a

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Speaker 2: very hormonal teenager whose brain isn't fully developed yet. They're

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Speaker 2: telling me they have these issues, and as a parent,

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Speaker 2: you're scared, right, you don't want to risk that you

443
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Speaker 2: wouldn't address an issue your teenager has.

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Speaker 3: How do you navigate that?

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Speaker 2: But while still having the spear in your head of like, well,

446
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Speaker 2: should my kid really be on all this medication because

447
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Speaker 2: that's scary too.

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm not a posed to medicine. I'm just posed

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Speaker 5: to that's the first and only thing. Yeah, you think about.

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Speaker 4: So for example, saffron the spice.

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Speaker 5: Saffron as this supplement twenty five randomized control trials showing

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Speaker 5: it's equally effective to antype essence. So why wouldn't we

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Speaker 5: do and head to head against antidepressants. Exercise walking like

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Speaker 5: you're late for forty five minutes, four times a week

455
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Speaker 5: Omega three fatty acids head to head against prozac was

456
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Speaker 5: more effective in a study from New Zealand, learning how

457
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Speaker 5: to not believe every stupid thing you think. Cognitive behavior

458
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 5: therapy equally effective to antidepressants.

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Speaker 4: So before you do meds, walk like.

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Speaker 5: You're late, forty five minutes, four times a week, take

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00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 5: saffron omega three fatty acids, and whenever you feel sad, mad, nervous,

462
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Speaker 5: or out of control, right down what you're thinking and

463
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Speaker 5: then just ask yourself whether or not it's true. I

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Speaker 5: have this whole process on how to kill the ends,

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Speaker 5: the automatic negative thoughts, getting skill in managing your mind

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Speaker 5: and your body. Your brain and your body should be

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Speaker 5: found days. And if we did just those things, we

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Speaker 5: would cut antidepressing use in half, doctor Amand there are

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Speaker 5: a lot of parents listening to this who have kids

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Speaker 5: who have been prescribed indepressants and other drugs. Has it

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Speaker 5: been over prescribed? Is this a life sentence? Are they

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Speaker 5: going to be on it for the rest of their lives? Well,

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Speaker 5: so right away you can walk like you're late, You

474
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 5: can introduce exercise right away and it's free right away.

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Speaker 5: You can have them take Omega three fatty acids not

476
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Speaker 5: very expensive, right away. You can introduce saffron. Now, of

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00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 5: course you should talk to your doctor about it. If I

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Speaker 5: say that, then I go, well, most doctors don't know that,

479
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 5: but right away, you can do those simple things right away.

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Speaker 5: And I think all of us, I actually think it

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Speaker 5: should be a class taught in grade school, middle school,

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Speaker 5: and high school. Teach kids how to manage their minds,

483
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Speaker 5: simple cognitive therapy principles in schools. And then if they

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Speaker 5: get stable and they're better and they don't think of

485
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 5: marijuana as innocuous or alcohol is a healthy right, Let's

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Speaker 5: get the brain as healthy and clean as it can be.

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Speaker 5: Then work with your doctor and exactly as you said,

488
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Speaker 5: if you're on anti depressants and you just stop them,

489
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Speaker 5: you can go through withdrawal. And what I do because

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Speaker 5: at aim in Clinics, I have eleven clinics around the country,

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Speaker 5: we spend more time taking people off meds than putting

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Speaker 5: them on meds. And so it's like we'll cut it

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Speaker 5: in a half and we'll do that for a couple

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Speaker 5: of months and then we'll cut it in a quarter

495
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Speaker 5: and do that for a couple of months and everything

496
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Speaker 5: is okay, then we'll stop it.

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Speaker 1: Well, I hate that what you just said is revolution.

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Speaker 1: That is sad to me that at aim in Clinics

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Speaker 1: we are trying to get more people off of medication

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Speaker 1: than getting them on it. And it is our whole

501
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: medical industry is based on the opposite, which is terrifying.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 5: It's because medicine has been taken over by business people

504
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Speaker 5: and the goal is for pharmaceutical companies and many doctors,

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Speaker 5: it's not to be in the order business. It's to

506
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Speaker 5: be in the reorder.

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Speaker 3: The lifelong customer business.

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Speaker 1: Because what's interesting is we talk to a lot of

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Speaker 1: women and they're like, well, I'm on antidepressants, but I

510
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: don't even know. Am I supposed to just stay on

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Speaker 1: these for the rest of my life. It's there's no goal.

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Speaker 4: The role when I.

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Speaker 5: Was in training was stay on it for about nine months.

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Speaker 5: If this is your first episode, then slowly go off.

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Speaker 4: If it's your.

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Speaker 5: Second episode, do it for about two years to sort

517
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Speaker 5: of reset things, and then slowly ring yourself off. And

518
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 5: if it's your third episode, maybe you should be on

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Speaker 5: it for the rest of your life. I find that

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Speaker 5: is true for such few people enough I can get

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Speaker 5: them to love and care for their brain.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, well, and what about that we're like, we're talking

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Speaker 2: about so many teenagers and young people are getting prescribed this,

524
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Speaker 2: these medicines, but.

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Speaker 3: Their brains are still developing, developing. I could be wrong.

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Speaker 3: You tell me.

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Speaker 2: Is it that your your frontal the front part of

528
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 2: your brain isn't fully developed until you're twenty six?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, about twenty five for girls, in twenty seven or

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Speaker 5: so for boys. And you know, I love lord your story.

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Speaker 5: It's like, you know, I was sort of an emotional,

532
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Speaker 5: hormonal teenager and then I outgrew it. It's it's very

533
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Speaker 5: common for teenage girls and boys to be hormonal and

534
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Speaker 5: emotional because your brain is undergoing wild development. And then

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Speaker 5: about your middle twenties, if you've been good to your brain,

536
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Speaker 5: it sort of finishes. And you know, I tell so

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Speaker 5: many of my parents of eighteen year olds I treat

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Speaker 5: I said, let's just get them safely to least twenty

539
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Speaker 5: five in national again, and things will be better. But

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Speaker 5: the problem is is we're drugging these kids because psychiatrists

541
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 5: and most family doctors, that's the tool, right, that's the

542
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 5: tool in the toolbox, so they use it, but it's

543
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 5: at society's detriment. The big mission I have in life

544
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 5: is to end the concept of mental illness and create

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Speaker 5: a revolution in brain health because I think, well, one,

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Speaker 5: nobody really wants to see a psychiatrist. I told my

547
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 5: dad I wanted to be a psychiatrist. He asked me

548
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Speaker 5: why I didn't want to be a real doctor. Why

549
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 5: I wanted to be a nut doctor and hang out

550
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,959
Speaker 5: with nuts all day long. So he didn't get Father

551
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:28,399
Speaker 5: of the Aar award, but Stigmas still lives. Nobody wants

552
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 5: to see a psychiatrist. Everybody wants a better brain.

553
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Speaker 4: What if mental health was brain health?

554
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Speaker 5: If we just got that one concept through our culture.

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00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 5: That's why I always loved being a doctor Phil because

556
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Speaker 5: he helps me with that. We get that one idea

557
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 5: through our culture, everything changes because if it's brain, you

558
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 5: have to eat for your brain, you have to sleep

559
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 5: for your brain, you have to stop poisoning your brain.

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Speaker 2: How important is because you have these eleven clinics. Obviously

561
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Speaker 2: getting a brain scan is not like part of our

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00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 2: you know, immunizations and things like that that we get

563
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Speaker 2: as kids.

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Speaker 3: How much do you.

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Speaker 2: Want that to be part of standard healthcare? And how

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Speaker 2: often can we get brain scans? I don't know if

567
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 2: there's a certain number you can get kind of the

568
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Speaker 2: way you should be careful with MRIs, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Psychiatry should not be the only medical specialty that never

570
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 5: looks at the organ it treats. So think about that.

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Speaker 5: If you're going to go on to medicine and the

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Speaker 5: doctor said, well, you may need this for the rest

573
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Speaker 5: of your life, wouldn't you want to know ahead of

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Speaker 5: time what your brain look like. I mean, the whole

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Speaker 5: conversation I think is insane. And with spec because it's

576
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Speaker 5: a nuclear study, there is some radiation about the same

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Speaker 5: as a head ct that you know. We usually start

578
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,720
Speaker 5: with two and then I may do one or two

579
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 5: in the next two or three years to go how

580
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 5: am I doing? And maybe every five years. So it's

581
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 5: not something you do without thought. But if you're dating

582
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Speaker 5: any of my kids, you're getting scanned.

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Speaker 2: By the way, have you rejected anyone? Have you done

584
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 2: the scan and told one of your kids, no, he

585
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 2: can't date that person?

586
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:18,439
Speaker 5: I did?

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00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 4: You did?

588
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 5: He didn't listen to me, and it was a disaster.

589
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 4: So regrets it. I'm like, I think she's doing drugs.

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00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 4: So and we never said. One of my son laws mother.

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00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 5: Has paranoid schizophrenia and his father killed himself and the

592
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 5: scan doesn't disqualify people. But I'm like, oh, you need

593
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 5: to take this seriously. And he actually wrote a book

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00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 5: called Change Your Brain Before twenty five where he opens

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Speaker 5: the book with our interaction of you know, with his

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Speaker 5: skin and his brain.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's funny what you're saying is seems so common sense.

598
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 1: It says, if I tore my acl or I broke

599
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 1: my arm and a doctor goes, okay, I'll operate, I'm like, well,

600
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 1: do you want to see it? Do you want to

601
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: look at it? Do you even know what arm it is?

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Speaker 1: And that's the way psychiatry is acting. It's like, well,

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00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 1: just just tell me what's wrong, and I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: what we're going to do.

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00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,240
Speaker 3: We're only going to tell you my symptoms.

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00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, do you all even want to see me?

607
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: It is amazing that you're not seeing the organ that

608
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: we're treating it. That I've never really heard it put

609
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: like that, and it really does hit home.

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Speaker 5: It's insane what's happened. And I'm just prayan and I

611
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,240
Speaker 5: live long enough to see it change.

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Speaker 3: Wow. Well, thank you for all you're doing.

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Speaker 2: I did want to ask you because I follow you

614
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 2: on Instagram and there were a couple quick questions I

615
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Speaker 2: had about some of the high profile brains you scanned.

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Speaker 2: I saw you scanned Nick Cannon's brain and you told

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Speaker 2: him he had to many children. No, I'm not if

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Speaker 2: Nick Cannon has to get the brain scan of all

619
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Speaker 2: the people his kids are going to be, that's so

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Speaker 2: many scans, so many scans. No, you told him that

621
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Speaker 2: he had some brain damage, but I didn't understand where

622
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 2: that came from, like if he'd had an injury or

623
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Speaker 2: It made me wonder, can we all have brain damage

624
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Speaker 2: without like having had a major brain injury or an

625
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 2: episode of some kind.

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Speaker 3: What is that damage that's potentially there?

627
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 5: Now?

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00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 4: He had physical damage from.

629
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Speaker 3: An accident from an accident, okay, and.

630
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Speaker 5: He also had add which might fit the commitment issues.

631
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Speaker 5: But you know, two his credit, he's like, I'm.

632
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Speaker 4: Going to be serious about having a better brain.

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Speaker 5: I love and you know I love you know all

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Speaker 5: of my patients. But you know, some of my athletes,

635
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 5: for example, they like being coached. It's like tell me

636
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 5: what to do. We're not telling people what to do

637
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 5: in a way they can hear.

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Speaker 2: And then I saw that you work with Miley Cyrus

639
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Speaker 2: and she just want her first Grammy and she's killing it,

640
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 2: and I know you'd really worked with her on her

641
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,479
Speaker 2: goals and her success. I loved what you've been saying

642
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 2: about how to keep your brain happy. What are some

643
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 2: of the things you do with people to help them

644
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 2: get towards their goals in terms of how they're working

645
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 2: with their brain to that success they want.

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00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 4: Well, the first thing is to define your goals. You know,

647
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 4: with Miley, it's like you have to be the.

648
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 5: CEO, and I teach them how to act like a

649
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 5: CEO of their life, which means, of course, you have

650
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 5: to take care of your frontal lobes because that's called

651
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 5: the executive part of the brain. It's the CEO part

652
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 5: of your life. You know, what do you want? Does

653
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 5: your behavior.

654
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 4: Fit what you want? Is this good for your brain

655
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 4: or bad for it?

656
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 5: And you know, I've worked with her for twelve years,

657
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 5: so I'm so happy with her progress. And you know,

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Speaker 5: sometimes it just takes a while to kick in, and

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Speaker 5: it's certainly been with my leg, but she's a warrior

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Speaker 5: for her yeah, yeah, and Flowers. You know the song

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Speaker 5: that one song of the year, it's about self love.

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Speaker 2: And just I'm such a fan of hers, So thank

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Speaker 2: you for your work because I love her music and

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Speaker 2: her I'm off of what you just said, the frontal

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Speaker 2: lobe thing. I'm going to ask what might be a

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Speaker 2: bold question, if our front lobe is the CEO of

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Speaker 2: our brain, and if it is not developed until we're

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Speaker 2: twenty five for women, twenty six, twenty seven for men,

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Speaker 2: should we not be making any major life decisions before

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Speaker 2: that time? Like, by that, I mean a lot of

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Speaker 2: people get married in their early twenties.

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Speaker 3: I did.

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Speaker 2: I got married at twenty four and guess what, I

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Speaker 2: got divorced. He got married at twenty two and he's divorced.

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Speaker 2: We are kind of making these huge decisions and that

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Speaker 2: really early period. I mean, legally we're considered adults at eighteen,

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Speaker 2: but our brains aren't fully developed.

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Speaker 3: So does this make sense the way our society is operating.

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Speaker 5: In that way? Yeah, I think it's insane. You send

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Speaker 5: eighteen year olds away to school with other underdeveloped brains

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Speaker 5: in dormitory sororities and fraternities. With a lot of alcohol

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Speaker 5: and drugs. When you really sort of step back from

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Speaker 5: a neuroscientist's perspective, you're like, that's ludicrous. You know, that's

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Speaker 5: why there's a high incidence of depression when kids go

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Speaker 5: away or suicidal behavior when kids go away. And I've

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Speaker 5: argued for many years keep them close, wow, because.

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Speaker 4: Their brains aren't developed.

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Speaker 5: And I know, and when I was eighteen, I told

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Speaker 5: my dad I could do anything I wanted. I was eighteen,

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Speaker 5: ended up in the army as an infantry medic and

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Speaker 5: I'm like, how did that happen? It's because he told

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Speaker 5: me I.

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Speaker 3: Couldn't do it because we're rebellious then too. Wow.

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Speaker 2: So when do you think is a good time people

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Speaker 2: should get married brain wise?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think middle twenties, when your brain's getting close

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Speaker 5: or toward the end of your twenties.

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Speaker 4: I mean, everybody's.

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Speaker 5: Different, and you know it has cultural implications as well,

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Speaker 5: but you want marriage is hard with a good brain.

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Speaker 5: It's harder with an underdeveloped brain, or it's harder with

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Speaker 5: a traumatized brain, or it's harder with a toxic brain.

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Speaker 5: In fact, I often wanted to do a program called

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Speaker 5: brainmatch dot com, where I could, you know, scan everybody.

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Speaker 3: So let's get that show on Merit.

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Speaker 4: It's like, which brain would I want?

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Speaker 1: That's the that's coming to you next to next year

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Speaker 1: up on marriat Street Media.

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Speaker 2: When you scanned your wife's brain when you were three

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Speaker 2: weeks into dating, What did you like about it? What

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Speaker 2: made you say I want to keep dating this person?

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Speaker 4: Well, I could actually see the injury that happened to

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Speaker 4: her brain. She was going seventy five miles an hour.

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Speaker 4: Sister fell asleep, but the whale and flipped three times,

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Speaker 4: so I could see that.

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Speaker 5: But overall it was really healthy.

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Speaker 4: And what I loved about.

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Speaker 5: Her still like about her is she was curious about

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Speaker 5: it and she wanted it to be better. She's a

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Speaker 5: neurosurgical I see you nurse, so we sort of bonded

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Speaker 5: over the brain. But she didn't take it as weird

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Speaker 5: or invasive. She's like, oh, how can I make this better?

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Speaker 5: In fact, since we've been married, she has written eight

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Speaker 5: cookbooks for me and wrote a wonderful book called The

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Speaker 5: Relentless Courage of a Scared Child.

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Speaker 1: Wow, before we let you go. The parents out there

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Speaker 1: have their kids and they're thinking, Okay, I want to

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Speaker 1: take this brain health so much more serious. I hate

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Speaker 1: to say this, but I would say the majority of

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Speaker 1: the doctors and psychiatrists that maybe our kids are going

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Speaker 1: to are not helpful. Do we find these clinics? I

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Speaker 1: know you have eleven clinics around, but if we can't

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Speaker 1: find one of those, what is a way to find

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Speaker 1: good brain health doctors?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think a good place to start.

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Speaker 5: I have a brand new book called Raising Mentally Strong Kids,

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Speaker 5: and I talk a lot about raising brain healthy kids.

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Speaker 5: They can also get my book Change Your Brain every Day,

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Speaker 5: which is just sort of simple daily practices to optimize

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Speaker 5: your brain. And we have a brain Health network, so

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Speaker 5: if they go to Amanclinics dot com, they can find

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Speaker 5: out where we're located and where some of the people

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Speaker 5: I've trained or located.

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Speaker 1: We Laura and I are coming in.

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Speaker 3: We're got to get scanned. You have one in Texas.

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Speaker 5: I do have a clinic in Las Colinists in Dallas,

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Speaker 5: right down.

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Speaker 1: The street from Merritt Street Media.

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Speaker 3: We'll be there.

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Speaker 2: Come in us and Phil, Although did you already scan

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Speaker 2: doctor Phil's brain?

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Speaker 4: Now? I want to okay, so forward.

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Speaker 2: And doctor Amin. I just want to end on a

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Speaker 2: note of I think. I hope I'm understanding this right.

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Speaker 2: It's coming from a hopeful place. It sounds like you're saying, like, yes,

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Speaker 2: change your brain and treat your brain.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: Can we reverse damage in our brains. If somebody's you know,

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Speaker 2: maybe feels like they've drank too much, if they've done

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Speaker 2: damage in certain ways, can we fix that? Or is

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Speaker 2: the brain like you did it and now it's done.

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Speaker 5: Change your brain, change your life. You're not stuck with

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Speaker 5: the brain you have. You could make it better. I

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Speaker 5: couldn't prove it.

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Speaker 3: Amazing. Thank you so much. This has truly been such

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Speaker 3: a dream.

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Speaker 2: Like I said, I've been following you, and guys, follow

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Speaker 2: doctor Amen on Instagram because he is just constantly posting quick,

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Speaker 2: helpful videos, amazing insight. It's I've been following you for

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Speaker 2: two years now and I just love following you.

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Speaker 3: So thanks for all you do.

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Speaker 2: And I heard your relaunching your podcast I just saw today,

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Speaker 2: so we'll be excited to see that too.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 5: What a joy. Looking to meeting you guys in person.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. And you're in California.

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Speaker 5: I am, I'm in Newport Beach.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, we're going to have to stalk you and

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Speaker 2: come to Dallas and do some stuff at work next

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Speaker 2: time you're in for Merritt Damon.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time. Truly appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: You're welcome, take.

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Speaker 1: Care, We'll see you soon.

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Speaker 3: Bye bye.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. Follow us on Instagram at the most

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Speaker 1: dramatic pod ever, and make sure to write us a

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Speaker 1: review and leave us five stars. I'll talk to you

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Speaker 1: next time.