1 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: Everybody's Bill Courtney. Welcome to Shop Talk number sixty two. 2 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:10,239 Speaker 1: Welcome into the shop, Alex, Thank you Bill. I want 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:12,719 Speaker 1: to show you to this back corner of the shop 4 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: of I've made an addition back here in the back corner. 5 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:18,080 Speaker 1: You want to see it. I want to walk back 6 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: here with me and see the new corner in the shop. 7 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: Sure it's it's the bookshelf. 8 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 2: Oh nice? Yeah, well you're going to save my own 9 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 2: cigar chairs me. 10 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: No, but I was going to tell you back in 11 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: the corner whe the bookshelf is, I have you a 12 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: very nice comfy chair where you can see the whole 13 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: room from there. 14 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 2: Actually, once your house renovations are done, if they're ever done, 15 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 2: that's what you need to work on next. 16 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: Like a smoking room, there will never be done. Have 17 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: you ever met Lisa like ventilations such thing as finished? 18 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, you just keep going. Well, maybe just add the 19 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 2: smoking room in there. 20 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,639 Speaker 1: Well, I have a card room, so maybe I can 21 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: smoke where we play cards. 22 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 2: You gotta get the ventilation, though. 23 00:00:58,080 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: Why just open the windows. 24 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 2: At least that's cool with it? 25 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 1: What she doesn't No, I won't kill her. Shop Talk 26 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: number sixty two my favorite dot dot dot coming up 27 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 1: right after these brief messages from our general sponsor, everybody, 28 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: welcome back to shop Talking number sixty two. Last week 29 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: we talked about two by two, not my favorite, two 30 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: of my favorite uh fiction books. This time we're gonna 31 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: talk about my two favorite non no two of my 32 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: favorite nonfiction books. And Alex is gonna give us one. 33 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 2: Why do I get one? 34 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: Okay, Alex can give us two, but no more. My 35 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: first one get two years up. You're going to be next. 36 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: I sctually haven't thought about it. Well, let's start thinking. 37 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 1: My first one is one that I read, actually very 38 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: very recently. I attended a conference actually in the Caribbean 39 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: where I spoke, and then this gentleman spoke and I 40 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: found him and it very interesting. And then when I 41 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: read it and I found out that so much of 42 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: he wrote three or four years ago when he wrote 43 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: the book is actually happening right now. I decided he 44 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,559 Speaker 1: might be a modern day Nostrodamus. I mean, it's unbelievable. 45 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,359 Speaker 1: The name of the book is It's a little sobering. 46 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,519 Speaker 1: Is the End of the World is just the beginning, 47 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: mapping the collapse of globilization. It's by Peter Zion spelled 48 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: ze i h O N. I cannot suggest enough that 49 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: if you want to understand what's going on in the world, 50 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: that you buy this thing. The premise is this, buy 51 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,839 Speaker 1: it and read it. The premise is this. After World 52 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: War Two, there was only one navy left, really completely intact, 53 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: that could dominate the world's waters, and it was the 54 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: US Navy. And we were also the only only power 55 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: left with a big enough army to really dominate the world. 56 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: And we could have we could have been imperialists. But 57 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: in their wisdom, and I mean that seriously, and their wisdom, 58 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: the leaders of the day in the United States realize 59 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: that imperialism never worked. If you think about all the 60 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: imperial you think about the Roman Empire, you think about 61 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: the British Empire, you think about Mongolian Empire, you go 62 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: on and on and on. It becomes too arduous and 63 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: too expensive to continue to governor and rule over vath 64 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: swaths of land and people who don't want to be 65 00:03:53,960 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: ruled by you. So ultimately imperialism always collapses. So at 66 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: the end of World War two, we had a choice 67 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: be imperialist or pull back. But we had this massive navy, 68 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: and so we made a deal, and that deal became 69 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: basically NATO, which says we will police the waters. We 70 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 1: will we will keep the world free for global trade, 71 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: so nations can trade and build themselves up. 72 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 2: But to do so. 73 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 1: For us to do that, we need trade agreements with 74 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: people all over the world, and the dollar is going 75 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: to be the currency of the world. And that went 76 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: on for many, many, many many years until recently when 77 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: it's become too arduous and too expensive to police the world, 78 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: and where the people who were happy to have those 79 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: agreements countries quit spending the requisite amount of money it 80 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: took to join in that effort with US, and as 81 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: a result, this is or five years ago. The author's 82 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: premise was that the US would have to pull back 83 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: from globalization and other countries that have stuff up. Also, 84 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: as he makes that argument, he pars shrinking population and 85 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: growing population with what countries will have enough people to 86 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: actually spur and continued spur to economic growth. And what's 87 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: crazy is there's only three countries that he says, over 88 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: the next twenty years will have both the banking systems, 89 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: the economic and military strength, and enough population growth to 90 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 1: sustain itself in a world where globalization is pulling away 91 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: and is shrinking, and ironically enough, the United States is 92 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: one of them, you'll be happy to know. But the 93 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,559 Speaker 1: depopulation of China over the next twenty years, he says, 94 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 1: will be there undoing. That's all I'm saying. Read the book. 95 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 1: It is phenomenal. That's why it's called the End of 96 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: the World. Is just the beginning, because it's basically the 97 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: end of the world as we have known it since 98 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 1: World War Two. The other one other thing, He says 99 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: that all of us grown have grown up accustomed to 100 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: free trade and relative peace across the world, basically buttressed 101 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: by the United States military and Navy, which is true, 102 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 1: but he said, he says that you know, we've grown 103 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: up thinking that that's normal, when in fact, in the 104 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: history of mankind, the decades we've had since World War 105 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: Two with relative world peace and free trade across the 106 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: globe is actually quite abnormal and has never been achieved 107 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: before because of the cost of reaching that achievement, and 108 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: that the cost has got too big for us to 109 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: continue it, and therefore the world would look with population decline, 110 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: deglobalization in term of economics, and the costs associated with 111 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: the one power who's been able to usher in this 112 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: relative peace and global trade over the last decade's changing 113 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: that the next fifty years for mankind will look very 114 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: different than the last fifty have. And he makes an 115 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: incredibly good argument. I'm not saying I agree with every 116 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: single thing in the book, but the guy's smart, done 117 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: a lot of interesting studies, and I highly suggest you 118 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: read it if you want to try to figure out 119 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: what's going on in the world today, whether you like 120 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: the politics of it or not. The inevitability and the 121 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: reality of our changing world is very very well laid 122 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: out in this book. So that's one. What about you? 123 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 2: I thought you're gonna do. 124 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: Too, No, I said you're next. I'm gonna do one. 125 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: You're gonna do one, then I'm gonna do Then you 126 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: can do the next one. 127 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 2: Okay, Randy Lewis, I have ever told you about Randy Lewis. 128 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 2: The book is No Greatness without Goodness. So he was 129 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 2: the head of logistics for Walgreens, like a billion dollar category, 130 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 2: ten thousand employees, and his son was diagnosed with autism 131 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 2: and it really changed his life. And so the kind 132 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 2: of things he realized is like he would yell at 133 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 2: his girls and they would basically be fine, you know, 134 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 2: within an hour, but he would yell at his son, 135 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 2: and you know it would take him, you know, a 136 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 2: day or two, you know, to recover from that. And 137 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 2: you could see the emotional difference and it really had 138 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 2: him reflect on what am I doing to my kids? 139 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 2: And so he talks about how it made him a 140 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 2: better person and softened him. But then he's like, look, 141 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 2: I got to do something with this. If someone like 142 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 2: me is not going to do something, who is? And 143 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 2: so he decided at Walgreens, you know, how can we 144 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 2: employ more folks with disability? Because I forget the exact stats. 145 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 2: We're doing this off the fly, but you know it's 146 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 2: something like sixty or seventy percent of people with intellectual 147 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 2: disabilities or unemployed. And he was opening up a new 148 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 2: distribution center in South Carolina. They were going to hire 149 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 2: six hundred people, and they had the idea of what 150 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 2: a two hundred of them? Wow, people with disabilities served. Yeah, 151 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 2: And there was kind of a theory behind a two 152 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 2: of a two for one match, right, so two typically 153 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 2: able you know, employees would be able to know, be 154 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 2: mentor and help and all this. And he didn't think 155 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 2: it was like such a big deal. But suddenly, like 156 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 2: the Today Show and the Wall Street Term and all 157 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 2: these people are writing about it, and even like funnily reflects, 158 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 2: like how pathetic is it, like that this is such 159 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 2: groundbreaking news you know of doing this. But what's amazing 160 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 2: is their retention rate was better, their safety rating was better. 161 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 2: And it also changed just like how it changed him, 162 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 2: it changed the culture in the facility too. So rather 163 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 2: than the manager of the plant treating people as widgets like, 164 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 2: they actually had to treat them as human beings. And 165 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 2: so it like made everyone which is called so it's 166 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 2: called no greatness without goodness. 167 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: I love that. 168 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's an amazing story. And so I mean 169 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 2: they've done this for all of their distribution facilities. Now, 170 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 2: I was like maybe like forty percent of all the 171 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 2: workers there or folks with disabilities, But then Walgreens has 172 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 2: also set a goal for the nationwide consumer stores a 173 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 2: ten percent of the employees there you know will be too. 174 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 2: And one of his things early on too is we 175 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 2: are going to open this up for all of our 176 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 2: competitors to see, which traditionally, like you wouldn't let your 177 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 2: competitors like come in here and see exactly what you're 178 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 2: doing with this, but he's like, we got to share 179 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 2: this with the world if it works. So it's like 180 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:41,079 Speaker 2: best Buy and Sophora in Starbucks and like all these 181 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 2: other companies have copied you know what he's done, which 182 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 2: is amazing. And anyways, I had the blessing of interview 183 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 2: on him once and he's interviewed. Yeah, he's a hell 184 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 2: of a human being. I mean from he's from Chicago. Actually, 185 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 2: like a funny thing. Obviously he's done pretty well, you 186 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 2: know with that title at Walgreens, but like he bought 187 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 2: his like lake house in Gary, Indiana rather than like 188 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 2: one of these fancy places and something. Yeah, I mean 189 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 2: he's just a total like normal dude, an amazing person. 190 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: Huh. Okay, well there's one for you. Here's my second one. 191 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: I read it in college. It was assigned to me 192 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: by Sparky Bruden Nice. It's called Unbecoming a Leader by 193 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: Warren Bennis, who actually he passed away I don't know, 194 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: ten years ago or so. It's not really a how 195 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: to of leadership, but it explores the tenets and characteristics 196 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: of leaders and how you find leaders for your organization. 197 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 1: He uh. In the book, he discusses what's called contemporary leadership, 198 00:11:54,280 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: and he discusses all kinds of different ways to foster 199 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:05,319 Speaker 1: leadership in your organization, but it all breaks down to service. 200 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:10,439 Speaker 1: It's the basic thing. And it's been out forever. And 201 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: I read it in college, and I read it again 202 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: about six seven years ago, and I think I'm going 203 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:22,719 Speaker 1: to read it again. Hoghy suggested for young upcoming seniors 204 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: in high school and freshmen and sophomores in college to 205 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,959 Speaker 1: just contemplate what real leadership is. So there you go. 206 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,079 Speaker 1: I'm Becoming a Leader by Warren Dennis Love the book 207 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: What about You? You got a second one? 208 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 2: You know, I'm actually gonna plug one. I haven't read yet, 209 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 2: but I've listened to podcasts with this guy. It's worth 210 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 2: reading and I want to get him on the show. 211 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 2: But it's been tough. So this book is called The 212 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 2: Art of Neighboring. 213 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: Oh I've heard about this, have you? Yes? 214 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,199 Speaker 2: So I've actually maybe I told you about her, maybe 215 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 2: you heard it separately. But he's in Denver. We got 216 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 2: an interview him in Denver. He's basically like my travel schedules, 217 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 2: two nuts. 218 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: And it won't come to Memphis. 219 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,319 Speaker 2: I mean He's like, uh, Diaver sucks. You got in 220 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 2: the air I actually love Denver. 221 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: No, No, getting in and out of Denver sucks because 222 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: they put their airport about seven and a half hours. 223 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 2: Better, better than any of the New York airports. At 224 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 2: least they got a train in from the airports of 225 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 2: the city. 226 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: God, I don't want trains, yeah, but we got to 227 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: get them in. 228 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 2: Actually kind of respect him for this. I mean, so 229 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 2: he's a pastor, you know that think travels for some 230 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 2: paid speeches. And he's like, look, I want to be 231 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 2: home with my family. Sorry, I get it. 232 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: That's nice, Scott. 233 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 2: Next time we're in Denver, we gotta I guess. So 234 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 2: he's game to do it. 235 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: But what's so I've heard something about it. Yeah, so 236 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 1: I might have been from you, you know. 237 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 2: So he realized like, look, there's a lot more we 238 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,839 Speaker 2: could be doing as a church in our community. And 239 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 2: he decided to get like twenty pastors like him to 240 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 2: go meet with the secular mayor in Denver and say 241 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 2: how can we help. The mayor said, well, you know, 242 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 2: you could do this with homelessness, you can do this 243 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 2: with poverty. This was second chances. All this stuff we said, 244 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, if you guys just 245 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 2: like loved your neighbor, we wouldn't have any of these problems. 246 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 2: It's basically like, if you guys are just good Christians, 247 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 2: like all these problems go like the secular like, if 248 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 2: you guys just like lived out your faith, like it's 249 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 2: pretty wow, pretty simple. 250 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: Wow. 251 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 2: I don't think he was trying to be a smart. 252 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: At just that it's like hits you in the face 253 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: of the board. Yeah. 254 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 2: And the here's the next thing. He realizes, how many 255 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 2: of my neighbors do I know? And he knew like 256 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 2: two of them. I actually I actually just shared this 257 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 2: in my Bible study the other day because actually the 258 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 2: part we're reading kept talking about love your neighbors. I 259 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 2: mean it's like in the Bible, like, does it mean 260 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 2: your litertleal neighbor probably probably yeah, so and so he's like, 261 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 2: I mean, he's a busy guy who runs a church. 262 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 2: You know, he knows all the people there. But does 263 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 2: that mean you get to ignore your obligation to love 264 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 2: your neighbor? And so he came up with this cool thing, 265 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 2: like people can go on the website, I think is 266 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 2: you probably look up art and neighboring or maybe Dave 267 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 2: Runyon dot com is the guy's name. It's there. But 268 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 2: this resource that looks like a bingo board and like 269 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 2: yourself in the middle, and you write down the names 270 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 2: of your eight closest neighbors. Now that's interesting, and part 271 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 2: of the idea is, like you set the barrier so 272 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 2: low that anybody can jump over it. Like, first do that, 273 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 2: and if you do that, you're gonna start talking. Yeah, 274 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 2: you're gonna start having them over. You're gonna start helping 275 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 2: each other out. 276 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: I don't know if I might have them over. I'm kidding, 277 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: I don't know. Let's not get carried away here, Alex. 278 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 2: With how much construction you're doing, your neighbors want to 279 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 2: come over. Nobody wants to come over to what it's 280 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 2: called the art of neighboring. 281 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: The art of neighboring. Okay, so there you go. We 282 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: got unbecoming a leader. We've got the end of the 283 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: world is just the beginning. 284 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 2: No greatness without goodness, no greatness out goodness, and the 285 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 2: art of neighboring. 286 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: Okay, that's me and Alex is non fiction. Some of 287 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: our favorite non fiction books to share with you. Write 288 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: me at Bill at normal folks dot us and share 289 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: with me your ideas because I like to read, and 290 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: we put it up on a website or something and 291 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: share it with our body book suggestions. 292 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 2: Right, maybe one day a normal folks book club. That 293 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 2: would actually be pretty cool. 294 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: That actually would be pretty cool. But we could at 295 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: least share this stuff. 296 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right, all right, Hey, if you liked this. 297 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: Episode, rate it, review it, share friends, join a nut joint, 298 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: subscribe to the podcast, do any and all this stuff 299 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: that helps us grow. 300 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 2: Right, we still want you to sign up to join 301 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 2: the army at normal folks at us. 302 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, do that. Write me anytime, fill it normal folks 303 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: dot us. I'll respond and that's it. Shot Talk number 304 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: sixty two. Alex and Bill, we're out.