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Speaker 1: Come on, let's get back to the stadium for analysis

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Speaker 1: and exclusive interviews from the Cardinals locker room. Here's Dave, Pash,

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Speaker 1: Ron Woofley, and Paul Calbcy.

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Speaker 3: Cardinals' Locker Room Show thirty six thirty Panthers winning overtime.

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Speaker 3: It's going to Paul in the locker room.

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 5: Garrett Williams is alongside Cardinals defensive back. I know the

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Speaker 5: emotions are pretty raw right now, Garrett, But what's the

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Speaker 5: toughest part about this game?

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Speaker 6: This loss?

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Speaker 7: I think the toughest part is just us not starting

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Speaker 7: how we should have in the situation we're in. I

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Speaker 7: feel like we've doing a really good job in the

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Speaker 7: second half of being resilient, coming together as a team.

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Speaker 7: But you know, it's just the NFL, so it's hard

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Speaker 7: to come back when you put yourself in a whole

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Speaker 7: like that start the game. So that's probably the most

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Speaker 7: frustrating part, you know, just on all phases. You know,

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Speaker 7: we all just were playing clean as a lot of

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Speaker 7: penalties something that we really pride ourselves on the usually

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Speaker 7: don't do so, you know, it's frustrating.

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Speaker 4: You know, got to show up tomorrow, just keep working.

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Speaker 5: You had to be the least penalized team in the

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Speaker 5: league and then to get eight right out of the gate.

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Speaker 5: I mean, what do you attribute that to?

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Speaker 4: You know, it's just just what it is.

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Speaker 7: You know, it's just a little bit of everything, you know, technique,

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Speaker 7: just the details.

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Speaker 4: You know, you win to losing the details.

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Speaker 7: And I think you know, when you get eight penalties

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Speaker 7: to start the game, that's you know, Sean, we're not

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Speaker 7: playing the cleanest, you know.

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Speaker 6: So safe to say a lot of this you consider

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Speaker 6: self inflicted.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I feel like that's only you can

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Speaker 7: only look at yourself. Really, you know, you can't blame

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Speaker 7: the reps. You can't blame anybody because they're throwing. That

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Speaker 7: means you can't even leave it that close, you know.

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Speaker 7: So you know as a team, you know, yeah, it's

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Speaker 7: just we got to be cleaner, you know, and to

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Speaker 7: thank for the game, the magnitude of the game, and

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Speaker 7: what was that stake. You know, you just would hope

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Speaker 7: that you know, we would have done been a little

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Speaker 6: Down twenty to three.

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Speaker 5: This team did come back, came back in the first half,

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Speaker 5: obviously forced overtime.

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Speaker 6: What changed?

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Speaker 5: What sort what went in the Cardinal's favor? What adjustments

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Speaker 5: did you guys make.

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Speaker 7: I think it was really as simple as we just

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Speaker 7: like I think everybody just woke up, you know what

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Speaker 7: I'm saying, just locked in and realized, like what was

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Speaker 7: at stake, and you know, some it's good that we

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Speaker 7: have the ability to do that, but it shouldn't have

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Speaker 7: to come down to that. You know, It's just you

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Speaker 7: should start the game. We should start the game clean

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Speaker 7: with energy, things like that, and we you know, we

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Speaker 7: just coming on the field just you know, it just

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Speaker 7: didn't start off the way we wanted and that's the

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Speaker 7: NFL sometimes, But I am proud of how we responded,

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Speaker 7: and I think guys really wanted this, you know, even

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Speaker 7: though it didn't come out of the cleanest.

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Speaker 5: An adjustment based on the stats at least was shutting

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Speaker 5: down the run game of Bryce Young. Would you think

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Speaker 5: of the Carolina quarterback and what was the challenge today?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: He was mobile, you know, I think he did a

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Speaker 7: that kind of made him feel comfortable in his passing

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Speaker 7: And I think we allowed him to get in a

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Speaker 5: If you zoom out in this season, this Cardinals team

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Speaker 5: Since anything you can put your finger on as a difference,

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Speaker 5: is it simply a matter of the competition and the

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Speaker 7: No, I don't think he has anything with the schedule

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's the NFL.

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Speaker 7: You know, you win some, you lose some, and I think,

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Speaker 7: you know, we just we just we just lost the club,

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Speaker 7: you know, and obviously you don't want to lose it

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Speaker 7: at this time of the year. But you know, I

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Speaker 5: I'll make sure this as we wrap it up with

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Speaker 5: Garrett Williams. You think is a byproduct of being a

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Speaker 7: Honestly, I don't really put any of it really on

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Speaker 7: young teams in the league. Qute unquote, who are you

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Speaker 7: know in the playoff on winning things like that. I

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Speaker 7: think it's just a matter we just got to just

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Speaker 7: think like age doesn't really play a factor in just

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Speaker 4: And that again, that just goes from defense to offensive,

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Speaker 7: We all play, we all played a part in the loss,

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Speaker 7: and we all have some uncharacteristic mistakes early on. I

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Speaker 7: think when you put that all together against the team

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Speaker 7: this one at home and kind of jumpstart, you know,

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Speaker 7: their their process and what they're trying to accomplish.

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Speaker 4: You know, you just can't do it.

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Speaker 6: Garrett Well said, thank you for the time.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 6: Okay, there you go, Garrett Williams.

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Speaker 3: Guys Well, chewbuh Hobbard today ran for one hundred and

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Speaker 3: We saw it there obviously on the last play, and

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Speaker 3: yes there were some offensive was they still scored thirty,

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Speaker 3: but you give up thirty six. Bryce played great. It

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Speaker 3: probably is the best game he's played. And you know,

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Speaker 3: maybe Carolina's found its guy. For a while, it looked

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Speaker 3: Give him credit for that, and it helps when you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it all starts with the fact that the Carolina

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Speaker 2: I would say, you know, four or five games into

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Speaker 2: the by they were actually becoming a very good run defense.

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Speaker 2: And to see what has happened here in this since

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Speaker 2: the buye. It really is discouraging right now, and watching

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Speaker 2: I would say the offense and how the offense started

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Speaker 2: some resiliency, they showed some toughness getting it together in

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Speaker 2: But too many mistakes, too many mental mistakes, too many

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Speaker 2: the onus, the onus was on them to go out

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Speaker 2: in the regulation the four quarters, of course, and it

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Speaker 3: Bryce Young finished with a quarterback rating of one ozho

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Speaker 3: but the running game certainly was impacted. I think to

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Speaker 3: There's a reason that Michael Carter is getting an opportunity

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Speaker 3: I think that was a big part of why those

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think for the most part, I think every

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Speaker 2: to how this team started in that first quarter. Clearly, David,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how you could vet it any other way,

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Speaker 2: you know me, that's not jag.

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Speaker 6: These responsibility players to get.

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Speaker 2: You as a grown man, to go out and be

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Speaker 2: watch that first quarter. I would say the first quarter

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Speaker 2: and that is frankly shocking.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's an indictment of play player leadership. When you

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Speaker 3: in a game you have to win and what's at stake,

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Speaker 3: you come out like this and it's incredibly disappointing. And look,

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Speaker 3: you've got two games now, you still have a chance

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Speaker 3: at a winning season. It's not the playoffs, but it's

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Speaker 3: improvement from a year ago. But everybody's being evaluated every week,

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Speaker 3: even more so now. And I'll be really curious. You know,

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Speaker 3: will be you know, certain guys, if they're not one

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Speaker 3: hundred percent in this situation, you know, getting hurt, how

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Speaker 3: do they, you know, handle the quarterback situation the final

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Speaker 3: two games or final game if they go with Murray

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Speaker 3: against the Rams. It just depends. I think, if there's

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Speaker 3: a not a chance at a winning season, do you

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Speaker 3: then give Clayton Tune a shot at the end of

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Speaker 3: the year just to see what he can do? Don't know,

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Speaker 3: not saying that's what they're going to do, and just

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Speaker 3: using that as an example of a mini things that

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Speaker 3: they will look at and try to figure out, Okay,

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Speaker 3: how do we handle the remaining two games.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of decisions that need to be

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Speaker 2: But I do know this for me, I think you're

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Speaker 2: going to go out there and you're going to try

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Speaker 2: to finish as strong as you possibly can.

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Speaker 6: Yep.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be really, really hard to get back

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Speaker 3: And to go four and five four or one and four.

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Speaker 2: Kyler had thrown three picks in ten games. He was

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Speaker 3: Look the defense exceeded expectations big time. They weren't as

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Speaker 5: We talked to Garret Williams and moments ago just asked

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I thought we kind of we on offense, we

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Speaker 6: I felt like, yeah, you're always making adjustments.

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Speaker 5: What sort of adjustments did you make on Bryce Sung,

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Speaker 8: Yeah, coach and play better, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 5: Better, and he got down twenty to three, and then

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Speaker 8: James got huge, you know what I mean, He's one

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Speaker 6: And to lose.

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Speaker 8: Anytime you lose a good player, it's tough on you.

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Speaker 8: But I thought some guys stepped up, man. I thought

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Speaker 6: Man.

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Speaker 5: I know there are several plays, so we'll stick out

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Speaker 6: How would you assess Kyler overall in this game?

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Speaker 2: I thought he's good man. I thought he battled back.

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Speaker 8: I thought his legs extension was real today, he was operating.

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Speaker 8: They you know they decided to play us, you know

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Speaker 8: I'm sure when we watch the tape, it's going to

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Speaker 8: Yeah, we got going to need the resiliency is going

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Speaker 2: Ready to work.

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Speaker 3: And the final score thirty six to thirty. Carolina wins

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Speaker 3: it in overtime and the Cardinals eliminated from postseason, still

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Speaker 3: San Francisco the last game of the regular season, and Wolf, coach,

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Speaker 3: they're pretty much echoing what you said about this game

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Speaker 3: standing by with Cardinal Talk after an Arizona loss which

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Speaker 3: now seven and eight on the season, Ron Wolfley, Paul

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