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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast prematurely crosses things on. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. My

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Speaker 1: name is Dan Anon. I come to you the virtual

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Speaker 1: room filled with some heroes. Mark Steessler, Greg Rosenhall boys.

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Speaker 1: I hope everybody enjoyed your holiday weekend. But it's back

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Speaker 1: at its fly Settler. I did have a nice weekend.

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Speaker 1: I don't distinguish yesterday is like I mean, I I

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Speaker 1: hold up the the holiday with much value for what

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Speaker 1: it means in our country. But it wasn't like, hey,

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Speaker 1: today is a holiday compared to what else. It's like

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Speaker 1: we're home all weekend, We're home another day. Am I not?

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Speaker 1: It is excited about the holidays? I should be. I

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Speaker 1: saw something Simone was you guys went somewhere. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what it was, but it looked fun. That was

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Speaker 1: a field trip that I was not a part of,

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Speaker 1: but I do believe they had fun. They went to

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Speaker 1: Now that like the weekend or something? Mark, what is

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Speaker 1: it this weekend? I honestly was. I literally stayed home

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Speaker 1: the entire time. I didn't leave my house. Interesting, really

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Speaker 1: curious as always mark what he does on Mark time.

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Speaker 1: Don't well, this is what did you guys do? I'm

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Speaker 1: sure you had like you you know, you did puzzles

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Speaker 1: I mean, you don't have to take it personally. No,

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Speaker 1: we did not. We did some hikes. We did some hikes,

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Speaker 1: was pretty much just a family, not a lot of

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Speaker 1: not a lot of big stories here. We had some

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Speaker 1: I gotta keep that hand eye coordination. No no vacations,

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Speaker 1: And I'm just like thinking to myself, like, if I

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Speaker 1: you're a coach, dad, please, like, unless you turn into

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Speaker 1: a total champion, and then we will, then we will,

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Speaker 1: you know, put you on a pedestal, you know, like

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Speaker 1: you will be Tiger Woods dad, or I'm thinking of

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Speaker 1: some tennis dads, like it'll you know, you have to

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Speaker 1: make it to the end otherwise we'll hate you. Right,

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Speaker 1: It just feels like the odds are kind of against you.

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Speaker 1: And even if you do make it to that level,

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Speaker 1: and I have to say that the biggest turn off,

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Speaker 1: our team. We seem to have pretty much chilled out parents.

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Speaker 1: But like some of these other clowns, it's like these

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Speaker 1: think that's well said. All Right, today's show, I'll see

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Speaker 1: you at the crossroads where you won't be lonely. Bone

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Speaker 1: Bone or perhaps Harmony once said, Um, who were the

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Speaker 1: guys in Bone Thugs and Harmony? Greg? You like rap?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know their name is like crazy Bone?

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Speaker 1: I hear you put Dan, How would let's say someone

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Speaker 1: it was a delightful moment. I'm not saying that that

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Speaker 1: Like I did not have Sessler watching the machine cun

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Speaker 1: does Mark watch that video? He loved that video anyway? Yes,

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Speaker 1: the Crossroads, Um, that's a that's a phrase that's like

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Speaker 1: or coaches or whomever at a crossroads where they may

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Speaker 1: this smash hit Um married to an NFL segment on

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Speaker 1: the news. Okay, five minutes, just five minutes, thank you. Escape. Well,

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Speaker 1: there's the generational divide. Rookie Hollywood. Uh. We told her

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Speaker 1: let's get into it. It is June one, which is

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Speaker 1: an important date on the NFL calendar. It frees up

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Speaker 1: were told last summer to his hip. We were told

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Speaker 1: last week not actually healthy last year. No, ten times

428
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 1: better now now it's ten times better. But we were

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Speaker 1: told it was healthy last year. Where are the injuries

430
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Speaker 1: right now? They're healed that we're gonna learn next spring, healed,

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Speaker 1: you know, staying because just because they were so significant.

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Speaker 1: But Burrow especially is in a tough spot. I feel like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you could totally see a June first, two thousand twenty two,

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Speaker 1: Burrow colon, I'm finally back to right my knee as

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Speaker 1: fresh as a baby's knee, and like, um, but he

436
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Speaker 1: but there is video of him even today moving around

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Speaker 1: very well. So you know this we're in the right

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Speaker 1: age to get these injuries to some degree with the

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Speaker 1: medical advances, Gregg, the advances that the medical field is

440
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:55,159
Speaker 1: miracles of modern it's nothing short of it. Um. You know,

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Speaker 1: we haven't talked about this a lot on the show,

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Speaker 1: if at all. We've talked about, for instance, how the

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Speaker 1: thought that the Dallas defense could take a jump with

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Speaker 1: a new coordinator Pittsburgh. You know they got rid of

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Speaker 1: h Fichner. Is it Fightner, Randy Fankener Um. He was

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Speaker 1: replaced by Matt Canada and Ralisberger also said in his availability,

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Speaker 1: you'll see nothing that you've seen in the past. So

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Speaker 1: I don't know who is it gonna be a brand

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Speaker 1: new offense certainly if you If I'm a Steelers fan,

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Speaker 1: I'm saying good because I didn't need to see the

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Speaker 1: offense that they put on the field the last month

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Speaker 1: or so ever. Again, so if this is an actual

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Speaker 1: reboot of the offense. That could be a good thing,

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Speaker 1: but also that could come with some growing pains and

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Speaker 1: it's an old man at quarterback, wasn't any people were

456
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Speaker 1: asking the same question as like, are we suddenly going

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Speaker 1: to get Big Ben rolling out play action sets? I mean,

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Speaker 1: how different can it be when your quarterback has become

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Speaker 1: a stone age pony, as we say, mobile a quickly

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks coach too, so he has a good relay and

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Speaker 1: ship with with Roethlisberg. And there were these articles last

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Speaker 1: year that's like Matt Canada is trying to integrate some

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Speaker 1: new concepts into the offense, like end a rounds and

464
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Speaker 1: it's just like okay, like he's getting creative and that

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Speaker 1: was that was like a thing behind the scenes. So

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't know how much of it's going

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Speaker 1: to be different yet. A voice last night, let's turn

468
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Speaker 1: down the snark on the Steelers. I feel like it's

469
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Speaker 1: turned out pretty high the whole podcast right now, it

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Speaker 1: should be noted that at least Greg and myself believe

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Speaker 1: the Steelers could have another nice year, and the mark

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Speaker 1: seems to be more on the train that this is

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Speaker 1: going up in flames. No, that's too well, well, I've

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Speaker 1: actually already even on the show, revised that that. Like,

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Speaker 1: I feel like I had my January into February mark.

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Speaker 1: But but the fact of the matter is, like, if

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Speaker 1: the Steelers finished the game ahead of the Ravens or

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Speaker 1: Browns or a game below, I wouldn't be surprised at all.

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Speaker 1: I don't see them falling off a cliff the way

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Speaker 1: that some do. I don't think any of us do,

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Speaker 1: just because we've been doing this. They've never done that

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Speaker 1: under Tomlin. Finally, in the news, Mac Jones he is

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Speaker 1: the future at quarterback for the New England Patriots. Uh.

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Speaker 1: This came out last week, but we missed it. I

485
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Speaker 1: feel like we should touch on it. Um. Patriots coaches

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Speaker 1: they like what they see from mac Jones, but the

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Speaker 1: players do too. Here's what Kendrick Bourne said, uh two

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Speaker 1: reporters after Thursday's o t A practice. He has the

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Speaker 1: swag to him that I didn't know that he had

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Speaker 1: at first. You know, he's got there. He's out there

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Speaker 1: confident and that's what you need in a quarterback and swag.

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Speaker 1: Why am I little? Yeah, I think it's I think

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Speaker 1: it's like insert young player you know, probably a white quarterback.

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Speaker 1: It's like, oh, this guy's got a little more swag

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Speaker 1: than we expected. Did it with Baker, do it with

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow and now Mac Jones Here, I'm just thinking

497
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Speaker 1: of that Mac Jones photo when his shirtless holding the cigar,

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Speaker 1: and like, you know what, maybe maybe there was some

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Speaker 1: swag there if you look closer at the photo, that's

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Speaker 1: a guy that could have swag uh buried within him

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Speaker 1: when he's walking, when he's walking to the to the stage,

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Speaker 1: was that swag was? Some people like that he walked

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Speaker 1: with a purpose. Um, it was kind of an interesting Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I guess there was a little swag there. I mean

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Speaker 1: sometimes it's sort of an effervescence that you can't feel

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Speaker 1: until you're kind of up close to the person. A

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Speaker 1: lot of people said that about Bill Clinton. Not I'm

508
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 1: not saying everyone said of it, but like that you

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Speaker 1: could feel him his presence when he walked in the room.

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Speaker 1: I know, Greg, Greg's like Bill Clinton gone up to

511
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Speaker 1: some bad things. I'm just saying in general, and well,

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Speaker 1: you gave a look like you know, you remember water

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Speaker 1: white water is what I'm pointing to. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: maybe you know, maybe Matt Jones in person brings it.

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Speaker 1: I didn't feel that at his pro day, for instance,

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Speaker 1: watching that on a television in my living room. But well,

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Speaker 1: I I wanted to put this news thing into the

518
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Speaker 1: show too, because I read multiple articles, uh from Patriots

519
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Speaker 1: beat writers that were like, I know we shouldn't overreact

520
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Speaker 1: to one day in May, but my god, it's a

521
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,360
Speaker 1: quarterback competition right in that like mac Jones looked amazing,

522
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: and like in Belichick put it out there, put him

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Speaker 1: out there next to Camp for us to see because

524
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 1: they're excited. I was, And to me, that's very surprising

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Speaker 1: from some veteran reporters. And maybe we're just board here

526
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Speaker 1: and I don't put anything into these practices usually, but

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Speaker 1: there was there was that vibe from the Patriots reporters.

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Speaker 1: So it might be a preview of what's to come

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Speaker 1: in August, whether it's worthy or not, of Patriots reporters

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Speaker 1: hyping up Mac Jones should be playing sooner than of course,

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Speaker 1: I'm not surprised that he throws as well as Cam Newton,

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Speaker 1: like in terms of accuracy and stuff. With that's what

533
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 1: they're talking about Camp. There's a lot of those lawn darts.

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Speaker 1: I guess I would be curious, like those same reporters,

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Speaker 1: and they have a lot of the same guys there

536
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Speaker 1: for several years. Were they saying it about Jared's did him?

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Speaker 1: A couple of years ago Mike Reefs, who I totally trust,

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Speaker 1: said that. He said that of mac Jones, he's probably

539
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Speaker 1: for he's probably further along than any Patriots rookie quarterback

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Speaker 1: at this point than anyone who came before him. And

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Speaker 1: he basically said that three the three people blew him

542
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: away in their first Patriots practice and equaled mac Jones

543
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: to them were Dion Branch, Wes Welker, and Randy Moss.

544
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: And he put mac Jones is sort of initial debut

545
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: in front of the reporters up there with that. So

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Speaker 1: I Mike right, Mike res I was talking about. I

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00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: didn't see that. And Mike Greece is the godfather. He's right,

548
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: He's not He's not a blow viator. I mean, he's

549
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: very measured in his reporting. So that caught my eye. Um,

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Speaker 1: is anybody gonna be mentioning Cam in the next segment.

551
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: I think you certainly could, but any but avoid him

552
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: certainly at the crossroads in his career. UM, Cam, maybe

553
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: the quarterback with the most swag of the last ten years,

554
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: you know, and now he's got this this guy rolling

555
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: in saying his teammates telling him that the other guy's

556
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: got the swag. Little drama there. I don't know what

557
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: happens to Cam if he gets if he doesn't get

558
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: his job, if he loses the job in camp, and

559
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: just where what's his where's his career after that? Um,

560
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: so we'll see if he gets an opportunity to hold

561
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: on to that job. That's what's happening in the news. Yes,

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00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: that's what That's where like an ad break would come in,

563
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: but we have not. I think it's the veteran savvy

564
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: you've got that we've all got, you know, the pregnant pause.

565
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Speaker 1: We're comfortable in it. We can live in that little silence.

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Speaker 1: We're not gonna just freak out. And people ask like,

567
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Speaker 1: why don't you Every other successful podcast that I listened

568
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: to their their ad breaks, And um, what Greg Mark

569
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: and myself say is no, no ads in our show.

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00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: We don't want the money. We'd rather just be a

571
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: clean product for the listar no money, don't want it. Yeah,

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00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: we don't get we don't get the ad money either.

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Speaker 1: So I appreciate everything's keeping us. Um, well, Greg, I'm

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00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: trying to paint us in an affectional Yeah, well there's

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00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: a parallel, I mean, And this is why I totally

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Speaker 1: believe Big Ben he went to the big company, the

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00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: big organ said I want less money, and I feel

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00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: in many ways we've said at least we don't want more.

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Speaker 1: We just keep us where we're at, Um, don't grow

580
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: the show necessarily with your own sales, big company, keep us,

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00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: you know, just afloat and we'll be fine. We don't

582
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: need anything more materialistically for the tow over eight or

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Speaker 1: nine years. No nothing providing to me. Of like three

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00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: or four years ago, I feel like we had a

585
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: we need more money season. West was West was leading

586
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: the bandwagon on that one, but it was a bit

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00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: of a bit of a theme. Now, I actually want

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00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: to say thanks to our listeners. Someone told us we're

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Speaker 1: in the top two hundred of all podcasts, not the

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Speaker 1: sports podcast in the UK, and I was like, oh,

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00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: that's that's pretty impressive. So I checked the US sports

592
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Speaker 1: rankings just curious, and we were in the top twenty

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Speaker 1: here in the off season of the sports podcast and

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00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: there's no other football only uh non fantasy. There's like

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00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: that the Fantasy Footballers, which is a fantasy one is

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00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: in there. But other than that, like there's no other

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00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: American football just football show in there. So I want

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00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: to say thanks and that people should rate and review.

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00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: We never asked for that every podcast I listen to

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00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: ask every podcast. We don't do that every podcast. And

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00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: since we only do it once every twenty podcast, go

602
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: do it in a huge number right now, Good call Greg,

603
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: And yes we decline ad revenue. We say, don't put

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00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: it in our checking account because we want a clean show.

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00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: What you could do for us listeners is five stars,

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00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: leave a review. That's what I have other ideas of

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00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: what they could do also, but that we'll start there.

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Speaker 1: All right, crossroads, I'll see you at the crossroads. I'll

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00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: see you at the cross roads. You won't be lone.

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Speaker 1: The video was wild too. You had Uncle Charles, was

611
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Speaker 1: Uncle Charles, and then he he death comes and taps

612
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: him on the forehead and his eyeballs turned black and

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00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: he just dies on his porch and I missed my

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00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: uncle Charles. And then there's a big mountain at the

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Speaker 1: end of the video and uh, just dead people walking

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Speaker 1: up the mountain. It was. It wasn't dark. It was

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00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: kind of a They were kind of a dark band

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00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: in general. Their topics. Um, we're pretty dark, right, And

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Speaker 1: then at the very end is oh, who's going up there?

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Speaker 1: It's a guy in the raider's hat. It's easy. He's

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Speaker 1: going up on mountain. He had not troubling. He was

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Speaker 1: heading Mark, he's heading to paradise. Bro Okay, well, I'm happy.

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Speaker 1: That's good for him. I'll see what the crosses where

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Speaker 1: you won't be lonely. He was going up, not down. Well,

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00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: I'm starting to connect the dots. I mean, i've certainly

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Speaker 1: i've seen the video. You know, maybe it wasn't playing.

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Speaker 1: You're taking trenchant notes on the whole thing, like I well,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna save them for the theology podcast because that

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00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: that video really veers into that realm. Anyway, Crossroads, let's

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Speaker 1: get it going. I'll start, and I don't want you

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00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: to get sensitive to this Mark, but I'm because there's

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Speaker 1: more nuanced to it. Baker Mayfield, let's go. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I had a feeling this was coming. Baker Mayfield. Is

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Speaker 1: that across Roads, but it's not because it's like Baker

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00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: Mayfield is he actually good. Maybe he's not actually good.

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Speaker 1: Blah blah. No, that's not the angle I'm taking. Although,

637
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,479
Speaker 1: of course, if he really struggled this year, that would

638
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: create an issue for him. The next month is going

639
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: to tell us a lot the next couple of months.

640
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 1: If he gets that contract extension this summer, he's off

641
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: the Crossroads list obviously. Um if he doesn't get it,

642
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,280
Speaker 1: and the Browns, it should be noted, have several guys, big,

643
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: big time players that are up for extension, some that

644
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: are entering contract years right now. Others like Baker and

645
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: I believe is a Chub as well, Mark had their

646
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: had their options picked up, or they have a two

647
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: more years left. But I think Chubb and Ward definitely

648
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: are on the resigned list. I think Denzel Award is

649
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: the next guy up right. You also have Teller, the

650
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: guard that went nuts. He's coming up anyway. So there's

651
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 1: a lot of business to be done for the Browns

652
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: and they have the option to wait it out. If

653
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: they do, it could really it could go one of

654
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: two ways, and that's where the Crossroads comes in for Baker.

655
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: If he has a monster year or he he builds

656
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: off this year and has a similar or even better

657
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: year and the Browns makeup playoff run again. Um, he's

658
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 1: gonna end up when the contract comes. They're gonna sign

659
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: him next year, and he's gonna get way more, you

660
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: would think than he would have gotten signing the deal

661
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: this year. He might go from being just beneath the

662
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 1: top quarterbacks pay day to the top one. Conversely, if

663
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: he does have a down year, I'm not saying the

664
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: Browns would move on from him because he's under contract

665
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: next season anyway, but it changes a lot of things

666
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: for him and it ramps up the pressure. So if

667
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: indeed he does not get this contract, it really it

668
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: puts him in a city suation where his financial future

669
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: and his Brown future is really magnified, and a lot

670
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: will be riding on this season. Crossroads. Yeah, I mean,

671
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: it's impossible to disagree with the fact that he's out

672
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: a crossroads. Um, because you're wondering. I think still it's

673
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 1: fair for certain people to say there have been um

674
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: ebbs and flows to his rather short career, and like,

675
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: you can't just totally wipe away twenty nineteen, although there

676
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: would be logical reasons too. But you look at last

677
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: year and you look at the fit. He threw one

678
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 1: interception in the regular season after Week seven. UM. In

679
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 1: the NFL, there are two players that have had eleven

680
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: thousand passing yards, seventy five passing touchdowns, and an eighty

681
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: nine plus passer rating over the first three years. It

682
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: is Baker Mayfield and Dan Marino. And look at you

683
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 1: can you can you can shape those statistics anyway you want. UM.

684
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 1: But like if you get the stretch version of Baker

685
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: Mayfield and you know, you know we all I think, Greg,

686
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: we just watched like that Chiefs Browns replay again. UM,

687
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: that version of Baker Mayfield is a winning quarterback in

688
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: this system. UM. He's in the same offense for the

689
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: first time in his career in an offseason. So I think,

690
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: like the environment is good. If he can't respond to

691
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: that environment, that's why you have a fifth year option

692
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: to take more time. They don't need a rush and

693
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: do this. UM. But there's no doubt that if he flopped,

694
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 1: like you don't have time in the NFL, you look elsewhere.

695
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: So it's all about why I was saying, like, it's

696
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: not necessarily is Baker good or not? And Rose numbers

697
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: what you're saying backs up that he's been with the

698
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: exception of that two thousand nineteen season, very good. It's

699
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: more that it does create a situation. It's a high

700
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: level of risk for the Browns, which I'm short they're

701
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: smart organization. Now they're weighing all this right now is

702
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: they try to figure out a game plan because there

703
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: could become a dec esque situation, uh, the way the

704
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: Cowboys ended up getting burned in their contract. Um if

705
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: Baker continues to progress, so they're rolling the dice. If

706
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: they don't do the deal, it could work out for

707
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: them too, if it turns out he doesn't have a

708
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: big year and they don't have to pay him as much.

709
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 1: But obviously that's not eight news for the organization either.

710
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: It's it's a lot of interesting dynamics that play. And

711
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: you do wonder if the Went and Goth extensions play

712
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: into the thinking of the organization as well, because those

713
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: obviously did not work out for their teams. Yeah, I

714
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: think this is where player, you know, empowerment for lack

715
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: of a better word or noise of how much you

716
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: want to make when it comes to your contract really

717
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: makes a difference. Because if I'm the Browns and I

718
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 1: don't want to give him the contract. Now, what's the

719
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: what's the big positive? If Baker Mayfield is gonna be

720
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: happy enough behind the scenes and in front of a microphone,

721
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 1: it's like, what's the upside of paying him now? It

722
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: sounds like they're leaning towards doing it, and and uh,

723
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: I I understand giving it to him. It removes him

724
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,879
Speaker 1: getting asked a lot of questions about it if they're

725
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: struggling or if they're playing well. Either way, it will

726
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 1: become like a bit of a focus during the season

727
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: and that's not ideal. But I if I was the Browns,

728
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: I was like, I would live with that because you've

729
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: got him under contract for two more years, and if

730
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: he plays great, I don't think he's gonna get that

731
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 1: much more next off season than he get now. He

732
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: gets he's not signing that contract for less than whatever.

733
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a thirty two, thirty three plus million

734
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: dollars a year. He's gonna get a real contract, even

735
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: if it's now. So if I'm the Browns, if he's

736
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: fine roll into next year, I would be fine too.

737
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 1: And he hasn't made at least any public um mass

738
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: about it. Who's up next? Mark um, I would go

739
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: with with Matthew Stafford. I mean, there's the obvious crossroads

740
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,439
Speaker 1: of you have been in one place for so long

741
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: in Detroit, and there's always been an excuse for anything

742
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: that happened to Matthew Stafford the Detroit Lions. It's like

743
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: no one can argue that. Um. Here's the thing I

744
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,240
Speaker 1: find a little bit interesting about the Matthew Stafford experience

745
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: going to the Rams. I love the move by the Rams.

746
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,240
Speaker 1: I thought it was bold. It was, um, we're upgrading

747
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: the most important position. Uh, Sean McVeigh really at this

748
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 1: point also can just say, look at I have my guy.

749
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: There isn't looking elsewhere, um or playing around this quarterback

750
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: that saw Matthew Stafford, according to what we know about him.

751
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: Right So, Matthew Stafford I think has a ton of

752
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: pressure on him right now though as well, because what

753
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: you start to hear now is the Rams are essentially

754
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl team. This was the final piece. My

755
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: question is Matthew Stafford has never really vibe to me

756
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 1: as the final piece of the puzzle. I don't think

757
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: that they traded for um Aaron Rodgers. They did not

758
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: trade for Russell Wilson. They got a quarterback who is

759
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: extremely productive and solid. But what happens to Matthew Stafford

760
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: And this isn't to say like he can't handle the pressure,

761
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: but you could see things going a little bit tough

762
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: for him and the Rams if he doesn't essentially takes

763
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: him to the super Bowl. That's where the floor has

764
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: been set based on expectations, based on a lot of

765
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: other business player quotes like if they go you know,

766
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,720
Speaker 1: nine and eight, um and go into the wild Card

767
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 1: and lose a wild card round game, that's a calamity

768
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: for what they gave up. I think. I think it

769
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: simply is. I mean the floor is the Super Bowl

770
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: in their own stadium next February. Anything else I think

771
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: will be um Land. Based on local l A talk

772
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: radio which I listened to in the afternoons here, and

773
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: you do in terms of urgency, do you think if

774
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: things went sideways this year that the Rams would move on?

775
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what the ramifications of

776
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: that would be, because when I think about his situation,

777
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: it feels like he moved to a much healthier situation,

778
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: a great place for the back end of his career,

779
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: and I feel like he's in a good place, a

780
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: confident place, and a feeling that he has a fresh

781
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: start here. I don't seem as a crossroads guys, because

782
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 1: I just don't see him as somebody that's like win

783
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: or else right now. But do you see it as

784
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: like a situation where his career could be totally upside

785
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: down a year from now if things don't go the

786
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: way I think. I think it's it's it's like, you know,

787
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: with some of these guys, like their contracts stipulations make

788
00:41:58,440 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: it tough to move on and things like that, and

789
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: they gave up so they might have to, as in

790
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: a self fulfilling prophecy, just hang with him. But if

791
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: it were a total flop and these things have happened,

792
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: they all look great now. But then you get, you know,

793
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: nine ten weeks into the season, and if it is

794
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: a disaster and the Rams aren't working, Um, would they

795
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: draft someone or make another move. I wouldn't think that's

796
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: impossible and round pick, But I would say that the

797
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: crossroads into a totally toxic situation. I don't think that's

798
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: gonna happen. I just think that, like the problem for

799
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford a little bit is it's like super Bowl

800
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: or bust. That's gonna be really rough for thirty one

801
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: other teams. I have been surprised just at the narrative

802
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: around the Rams that they are now a top five

803
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: NFL because I look at them last year and I

804
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: think they were very I knew exactly who they were

805
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,439
Speaker 1: as a team. They were like the tenth best team

806
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: in the NFL. And so you take away two starters

807
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: from the secondary um from that team, you expect some

808
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,720
Speaker 1: defensive regression because they were the best defense in the league.

809
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: And you add Stafford for golf, and to me, that

810
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: kind of comes out in the wash, and they're probably

811
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: to me, there's still about the tenth best team in

812
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: the league, but that is not the public perception. And uh,

813
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 1: that's gonna that puts a little more on on all

814
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 1: of them this year. But he's signed through two and

815
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 1: I just see them selling out to make the Stafford

816
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 1: part of it work, not just for the next two years,

817
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: the next five years really or else or else You're right,

818
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: market is a disaster. You could absolutely be right on

819
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: this one. I would in this type of exercise, I

820
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: would say, if this year didn't go well for Stafford

821
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: and then he was their guy. Next year, that would

822
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: be when I would put him in the crossroads, but

823
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: quickly so. I mean it's sort of my move to

824
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: not totally understand the exercise too. But like, um, I

825
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: have actually three or five other people. My next one

826
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 1: will be a floor the floor falls out and the

827
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 1: man maybe doesn't even exist after this year. I can't

828
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: wait right after this ad break. No, we don't have those.

829
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: You would think it's strange that we don't, but we

830
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: just all right, I'm gonna throw out a duo. I

831
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: don't know if that's not understanding the exercise, but their

832
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: teammates and they play the same position, so they make

833
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 1: sense together. It's Chandler Jones and J. J. Watt. I

834
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,280
Speaker 1: think they both are at a crossroads and they're entering

835
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: it together. JJ. Yeah, right, that's true. They're gonna have

836
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: their buddies, you know, you you get a little long

837
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: in the tooth, you go out to the desert. It's

838
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,240
Speaker 1: a move a lot of Americans do. Uh. These guys

839
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 1: could have different careers if they can have a strong

840
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: back night J J. Watt, we kind of think, Okay,

841
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: he's at the end of his road. Same age as

842
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: when Reggie White went to Green Bay. Can he have

843
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: a second act around the same age of when Julius

844
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: Peppers is still doing good things and in Chicago and

845
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: before Peppers went to Green Bay? Uh? Can he have

846
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: a second act? J. J. Watt like a Kurt Warner

847
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 1: even you know where he ends up being an integral

848
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 1: part to a team that goes further. Then he starts

849
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: getting back to that j A J. Watt that we

850
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 1: thought he was the first few years of his career,

851
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: which is an all time great and and he's got

852
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: that in his own way for that five years. But

853
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: a nice little backstretch would really help change. And Chandler

854
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: Jones isn't J. J. Watt, But Chandler Jones has been

855
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,720
Speaker 1: one of the best pass rushers in the league since

856
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: he entered it. He's coming off a major injury, but

857
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: what worries me about him is he's coming off the

858
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,280
Speaker 1: worst month of his career before that injury, which got

859
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: a little swept under the rug because it's only a month,

860
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,439
Speaker 1: it's a small sample size. He's turning thirty one years old.

861
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: Here's these two guys, which on paper might be the

862
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: best edge rush you know, duo in the league or

863
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 1: one of them. They could go one of two directions

864
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't even say Chandler Jones. You could, you know,

865
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: totally eliminate him from Hall of Fame consideration when you

866
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 1: look at the resume. Someday maybe he's not quite there,

867
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: but if he has a strong stretch and they're good

868
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: with J. J. Watt, people think of Chandler Jones a

869
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: little differently too. Teammates in the cross Roads, they're not lonely.

870
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: It's it's money because I I was thinking of their

871
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: head coach, Cliff Kingsbury for the Crossroads. Um the whole

872
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: organization feels like it is a little bit. I mean,

873
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 1: Kyler is not going anywhere obviously, um so his his

874
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: risk level entering the season is lower, but it feels

875
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 1: like a really important season for the Cardinals. And some

876
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: of these moves like a J Green Crossroads guy for sure,

877
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:32,439
Speaker 1: Yeah he's maybe to devastatingly lonely. Yeah, he's past He's

878
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: past that cross I think it's just I just why

879
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,959
Speaker 1: is this such a fascinating player to me? And we

880
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: we've kind of gone through his career on this podcast

881
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: for the most part, and there's never as we get

882
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: further away from those first few years. I think people

883
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: forget that there was never anyone like him, not not

884
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: that I've ever seen. And um, I'm not saying he

885
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: could get back to that level, but if he can

886
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: like really lead the way and be great for them,

887
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: that would be amazing. You also, Chandler Jones. They could

888
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: move on from him without any issues money wise after

889
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: the season, right. I think they might have if if

890
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: it was easier this year. But they want they wanted

891
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: to see, They wanted to give him another chance. I mean,

892
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: he's he's a beast when he's right. Um, I will

893
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: move to the Minnesota Vikings and Kirk Cousins m hm.

894
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: So this Kellen Mond situation, you know, let's not get

895
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: crazy about it. He's a third round pick, early in

896
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: the third round pick, but he is the um the

897
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: highest draft pick for the Vikings at quarterback since your

898
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: boy Greg Teddy Bridgewater back in two thousand fourteen. Um,

899
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: and he's now in the building. You add to that

900
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: that it was out there that the Vikings were in

901
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 1: on Justin Fields. They didn't get him. It didn't work out.

902
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: Things played out differently. The Bears in the division end

903
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 1: up with Fields and the Vikings did something that apparently

904
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: the Packers in it ahead of the draft is according

905
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: to ESPN, they called Kirk Cousins and said, Hey, we

906
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: might be dipping our toe back in the quarterback market

907
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 1: in this draft class. We don't want you to be blindsided.

908
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 1: Just f y. I why Kirk, And I'm just wondering

909
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: how that phone call goes. By the way, It's like, Okay,

910
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 1: you're still paying me thirty million this year, Like yeah, yeah, yeah,

911
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: Do I have thirty five million guaranteed next year? Yeah? Yeah? Okay?

912
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: When they click and this news is going to completely

913
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: enrage Aaron Rodgers that you're giving me more love than

914
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 1: the Packards are giving him. Okay, So I don't know

915
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: what happens um with his contracts. So he signed through

916
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: two thirty five million bass salary for two by the way, um,

917
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: and there's a forty five million dollar cap hit connected

918
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: to it again the June one state. Maybe that becomes

919
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: more movable. But if he has another one of these

920
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: years that's up and down and you start to hear

921
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: more of that, Jeff justin Jefferson vibe. You remember the

922
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 1: interview we talked about a couple of weeks ago, where

923
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 1: who was he popping up Joe Burrow? I believe how

924
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow had the swag and Kirk you know, doesn't

925
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 1: necessarily have that, and uh, Kirk likes to get rid

926
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 1: of the ball and all that stuff. If the if

927
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: the Vikings kind of stay um earthbound, and I kind

928
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: of see Minnesota's maybe a team that's kind of just

929
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,280
Speaker 1: trapped in NFL purgatory a little bit in the NFC

930
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: right now, um with Mond in the building, entering year

931
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: two next year, with Cousins on the final year of

932
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: his contract with the Vikings maybe having a top twelve pick.

933
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: If things didn't go right next year, it's Kirk cousins

934
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 1: time with the Vikings near an end. If he doesn't

935
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: deliver a season that makes them say no, he's the

936
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: guy we want in here for multiple more years. I

937
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: think the crossroads here I would say this, he he

938
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: kind of reminds me of like a Jimmy Garoppolo figure,

939
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: where what you might have end up doing is you

940
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 1: bring in either where either it's Mond or you go

941
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: somewhere else like quarterback, and you can't you can't trade um,

942
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: you can't trade Kirk Cousins with who kirk Cousins is

943
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: with the amount of guaranteed money he has next year,

944
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: unless some insane team is um party to that, and

945
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan has a quarterback, so I don't know who

946
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: the who the who would be courting him at the Vikings.

947
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 1: Maybe you know, pay some money to trade him. But

948
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,919
Speaker 1: in general, like, he's not a trade candidate. Um In fact,

949
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: he's a much more weighty financial situation. Why would he

950
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: be a trade candidate because he's only has one more

951
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 1: year on the deal and if you do make the

952
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: money work on both sides, he's very tradeable. You're you're

953
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 1: asking a lot though that the team that the Vikings

954
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: are gonna eat a ton of his salary to move him.

955
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: I mean, it's possible, but what are you, like, what

956
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:42,879
Speaker 1: are you gonna get in return? I just I'm saying

957
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: I don't think that there's a huge um line of

958
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: people waiting for kirk Cousins. By the way, but no,

959
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: right if he If he is, if they're looking to

960
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 1: trade him, it's because he also stunk up the joint

961
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: next year, so it's another year of kirk Cousins losing

962
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: his luster. So I think it's I think it's the

963
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: problem is it's is there cross winds. Are their changes

964
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 1: happening here crossroads? Yes, But they're stuck with him the

965
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: same way you'd be stuck paying someone a ton of

966
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: money over the next two years. It's not that different

967
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 1: than Stafford if Stafford were an absolute disaster. I think

968
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: Stafford is a good comparison in terms of productivity because

969
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 1: I don't think what we've seen from Kirk Cousins in

970
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: his career, he's very steady, like him or not, uh,

971
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 1: And he's a productive quarterback at least on paper. So

972
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,479
Speaker 1: I feel like the bad season for him would still

973
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: be like, you know, close to four thousand yards, around

974
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:38,280
Speaker 1: thirty touchdowns, you know, passer rating around ninety five or something.

975
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 1: But the team's going nowhere and he's not a very

976
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 1: popular figure inside the building and they feel like, man,

977
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: we gotta shake this thing up. That's kind of how

978
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: I see it going. I don't know if he has

979
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: that at this stage of his career with the sporting

980
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 1: cast and just justin Jefferson there and Dalvin Cook, I

981
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: don't know if he craters, which makes it a little

982
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: bit more of a tougher decision for the Vikings. If

983
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: they feel like they want to shake it, I would

984
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: just say this, though his numbers were fine, Kirk Cousins

985
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,240
Speaker 1: uh here. I mean, like, I think there's something about

986
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: the kirk Cousins of experience that we're all suspicious of.

987
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: But like last year's collapse, they had a great run

988
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: game two. They have one of the there the best

989
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: rookie wide receiver in the league. Kirk Cousins did his

990
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: job for the most part. Their defense fell apart. I mean,

991
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 1: you got Alvin Kamara running for five touchdowns against the

992
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: moment was it Christmas Night? It's like this was not

993
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: six which is not a mic Zimmer defense, and so

994
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,479
Speaker 1: I think, like it's just like always kind of blame

995
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 1: the quarterback that said to go get Cullen mum Is.

996
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 1: It's a first step in the direction of they're not

997
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: going to resign Kirk Cousins. They're gonna get out of

998
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: this thing as soon as again, I mean, what would

999
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,439
Speaker 1: have happened if they had Fields, Greg, If they did

1000
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: get Fields, There's no way they were going to keep

1001
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 1: Fields on the bench for two years, so that it

1002
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,879
Speaker 1: was already in their head. Yeah, they're looking to get

1003
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: out of this. It's a Lance scenario. Yeah, because but

1004
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: Cousins has broken some barriers. He did it with the

1005
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: franchise tag. And he's fascinating to me because he does

1006
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 1: remind me of like an NBA contract where he's guaranteed

1007
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,720
Speaker 1: thirty five million next year that I can't remember something

1008
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: quite like that where his full salary is guaranteed. So

1009
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 1: that's like, that's like a Kemba Walker contract and uh

1010
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: in the NBA where it's just like that guy is

1011
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 1: getting his money no matter who's paying them. And Cousins

1012
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: is such a funny character because this has been his

1013
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: story since year too. Everyone's always wanting him to be

1014
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: something he's not. He's never that guy. He's sneaky like streaky,

1015
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 1: but he's also by the end of the year, ultimately

1016
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: you know what you're getting from the Kirk Cousins experience,

1017
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: and it like sort of drives everyone, including like his

1018
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: own front office crazy. The difference between him and Stafford, though,

1019
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: Mark I would just say is is I think if

1020
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 1: Cousins imploded or the Vikings imploded, everything gets blown up

1021
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: and then he is at a crossroads and then you

1022
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 1: do you just like the new regime just finds a

1023
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: way to get rid of him, and and that's not

1024
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 1: gonna happen in l A. I think, no matter what, right,

1025
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 1: because the Rams regime will survive like eight nuclear blasts.

1026
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 1: Like they've given away all their draft picks since they

1027
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 1: got there. What are they gonna they're also rather like unkillable,

1028
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: So there's it's a little bit different. But um this

1029
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: is he's so funny Cousins to try to figure out

1030
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: because like you were saying, Mark, like who would want him?

1031
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 1: Who would take on the money. In his last two

1032
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: seasons with the Vikings, he has ninety one touchdown or

1033
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 1: three seasons with the Vikings, all three seasons touchdowns, twenty nine, interceptions,

1034
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: ninety one twenty nine. Last season, he completed almost sixty

1035
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: eight percent of his passes yards, thirty five touchdowns, picks,

1036
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: pass rating of one oh five, um QBR sixty three

1037
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: point two. You know, like these are big time numbers.

1038
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 1: I know they're not maybe super duperstar numbers, but like

1039
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: I would kill to have a quarterback that produced like

1040
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 1: this every year. And I think something with Cousins, I

1041
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: don't know what it is. It's just something about him. Yeah,

1042
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:55,320
Speaker 1: it's I think it's like in some moments he seems

1043
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: to short circuit. I think the BA I think Baker

1044
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: is Baker at worst, has got you're hoping is a

1045
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 1: is a rich Man's Cousins is a little bit better

1046
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: than Cousins without the short So I don't want to

1047
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: make it more money than Cousins. So well, you know

1048
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: too much intent. I think I think there's a lot

1049
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 1: of similarities there. He's also missed one game in the

1050
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: last six years. That a talent trait. Who's up mark

1051
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,879
Speaker 1: all right? I would like to dip into the coaching ranks, um,

1052
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: because I think there's someone who is at a genuine

1053
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 1: crossroads and his name is Greg Roman, the Ravens offensive coordinator,

1054
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 1: Because like, here's the deal. You could put it all

1055
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:35,320
Speaker 1: on Lamar Jackson, um, but there's no like Lamar Jackson

1056
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: passes the eye tests in terms of being like an

1057
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,399
Speaker 1: elite athlete that you would build a team around all

1058
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 1: the time. Can he become a little bit of better

1059
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: of a better passer. Yes, we we see that. We

1060
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: know that, and they knew that when they drafted him.

1061
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: Greg Roman did an excellent job integrating his skills with

1062
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: an offense that zigged when the rest of the NFL

1063
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 1: zagged and Greg Roman's done that in various stuffs in

1064
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: San Francisco and Buffalo. But the Greg Roman experienced the

1065
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 1: problem little bit we all know is it gets a

1066
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: tad stale. And you know, last year UM a team

1067
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 1: that is essentially streaking towards the playoffs. They had a

1068
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 1: few bumps, but the Ravens were clearly a playoff team.

1069
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: They've got their wide receiver, Hollywood brown Um going nuts

1070
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: over the issues on offense. You've got Lamar Jackson telling

1071
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: the rich eyes and show that defenders are calling out

1072
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 1: the plays pre snap. Greg Roman months later this offseason

1073
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: said we are going to expand the offense. We have

1074
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 1: to we have to change a little bit. We've got

1075
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: to become a little more versatile. You went and got

1076
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: Sammy Watkins, You've got Rashad Bateman in the draft. You've

1077
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 1: got more help at wide receiver. Your tight ends are

1078
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: healthy again that it was an issue last year. There's

1079
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: no reason for the Ravens not to look a little

1080
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: bit different, not to respond a little bit differently to

1081
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: what's happened over the past two years under the Greg

1082
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:48,240
Speaker 1: Roman offense. And if it doesn't, I think Greg Roman

1083
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:52,240
Speaker 1: is in hot Water. I think that's a great choice,

1084
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 1: and they went from first in d v O A

1085
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 1: on offense to eleventh a year ago. That's been the

1086
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: track record. It's on him to kind of prove what

1087
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people in the NFL um

1088
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 1: think about him, and that I think it was a

1089
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 1: little bit echoed in Hollywood Brown, like does he have

1090
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 1: another move here? It could be he feels like a

1091
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: guy that like his career wouldn't be at a crossroads.

1092
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: I feel like he'd get another job somewhere based on

1093
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: his track record. But you know, as a coordinator in Baltimore,

1094
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: I mean he's he's presided over some big offenses. He's

1095
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: a very unique what a unique history he has. I mean,

1096
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: you know he's worked for the two hard Bob brothers

1097
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: and then he had the good Tyrode season, the best

1098
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: Tyrode season Tyrode ever had. Um but he very much

1099
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: like like whatever he does starts wearing off after that

1100
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: first year, and like every spot at this point, you

1101
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: have to consider it a significant trend. Also, everyone we're

1102
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: talking about is going to get another job, but it

1103
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: would be a significant crossroads to lose essentially your third

1104
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: role as a play caller. You may not be a

1105
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: play caller against for a while, right I I I

1106
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 1: don't know if he would get another coordinator job, at

1107
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: least not right away. And this is a guy who's

1108
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: you know, has wanted to become a head coach. Alright, Greg,

1109
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 1: close us out, But actually before your point, you make that,

1110
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: you say that, Mark, and you're right, like most of

1111
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: these guys, all these guys, even if things didn't work out,

1112
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 1: they'll resurface somewhere else. Is there a Todd Gurley? Like

1113
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: Todd Gurley When we were like figuring the segment out

1114
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: on text yesterday, I cited him as an example of

1115
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: like that guy entering last season, big time crossroads years.

1116
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: It didn't work out obviously in Atlanta. Now he's just

1117
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: trying to stay in the league. Is there like a

1118
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 1: prominent player, Maybe it's a J Green. Do you think

1119
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 1: Cam would be out of football this year, next year potentially? Well,

1120
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 1: here's why I think it's there's a reason for that. A.

1121
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 1: No one sees him as a starter. B. Cam Newton

1122
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 1: is not looking to be a career backup for five

1123
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:58,439
Speaker 1: years like a Coultbacoy. We don't know that. I don't

1124
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: understand that if those two things were true, I don't

1125
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:02,959
Speaker 1: know what he want. His attitude in New England makes

1126
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 1: me think he might be more willing to do that

1127
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 1: than than we would have expected. But you're right, no one,

1128
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 1: no one really knows is trying out with the Lions.

1129
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 1: So it's like your girle hasn't walked away from football.

1130
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 1: It's just that you know, football is walking away from him,

1131
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying. Like, is there someone that is

1132
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 1: in that situation? Um, if things go really poorly on

1133
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: a prominent former superstar that's kind of on the ropes

1134
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 1: here of things, Big Ben certain basically off the top

1135
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 1: of my head. Anyway, UM, I'm gonna pass. You know,

1136
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: I had a couple more so I'll just throw Zeke.

1137
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: Zeke could be interesting, but I'm gonna I'm gonna go

1138
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 1: with someone else here just because he fits a different profile.

1139
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 1: And that's Derwin James, who went into his second season

1140
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 1: in the NFL as one of the favorites for Defensive

1141
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: Player of the Year. Um was one of the only

1142
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 1: rookie defensive players I can ever remember who got some

1143
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 1: love for Defensive Player of the Year. He did win

1144
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 1: Rookie of the year that not only was he, you know,

1145
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 1: probably the best safety in the league, but he was

1146
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 1: just one of the best defensive players at any position.

1147
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: And the football heads that Jeremiah's the coast cells that

1148
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 1: everyone like speaking about him. I think in tones um

1149
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 1: that they reserved for all time greats. Really what they

1150
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 1: kind of expect Derwin James career to look like. And

1151
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 1: he's been hurt two straight years, and uh, you just

1152
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 1: hope he comes back from those two injuries like the

1153
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 1: same player, uh, that he was before, and then he

1154
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 1: starts building up his career. I'm not saying he has

1155
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 1: to be an All Pro like this year, but we

1156
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 1: might get an indication of is he going to continue

1157
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 1: on that that trajectory or is he just um gonna

1158
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 1: be unfortunately waylaid by these injuries and not the same

1159
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 1: guy like a Bob Sanders, by the way, a safety,

1160
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 1: a little smaller who won Defensive Player of the Year

1161
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 1: early in his career. Honey Badger is a guy that

1162
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 1: comes to mind too, that broke into the league as

1163
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 1: a monster force and then injuries kind of waylaid him,

1164
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 1: and then you wondered if he would ever be the

1165
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 1: same guy. And maybe if He's not the same honey

1166
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 1: badgery was initially in Arizona. He's still a productive, uh starter. Yeah,

1167
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 1: I think that's that's a great one because I mean,

1168
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:25,919
Speaker 1: in terms of crushing summer injuries, and the Chargers were

1169
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 1: one of the focused teams of hard knocks. I mean,

1170
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 1: you just saw the the air go out of that

1171
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 1: entire organization when he hurt his knee in practice last August,

1172
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 1: because he was, you know, the lynch pin of everything,

1173
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 1: I mean in the back end of that defense. And

1174
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 1: and the fact that you had waited all year to

1175
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 1: get him back and to lose him again. It does

1176
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 1: concern me that this idea of a professional athlete, when

1177
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 1: they go away for this long with injuries, um, to

1178
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 1: assume they can get back to that spot. It's it's

1179
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 1: a it's a big assumption. You hope he can, though

1180
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 1: he's very young obviously. Yeah, I mean there's a lot

1181
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 1: of mystery attached to that, and I think you know

1182
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 1: what's outsiders, you don't have any read on him because

1183
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 1: he kind of goes away. Um in terms of understanding

1184
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 1: his personality and him talking to the press. He just

1185
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 1: these guys are on rehab, vanished and they all come

1186
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 1: back talking about how arduous it was, how lonely that

1187
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 1: process is UM, and these guys thrive off of being

1188
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 1: in the locker room around their teammates. I do think

1189
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 1: that the presidence of Brandon Staley as the coach UM

1190
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 1: is a huge arrow up. Had they gone and gotten

1191
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: Um an offensive kind of coach, who's gonna just basically

1192
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna get a couple of different defensive coordinators.

1193
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 1: I think Staley, what if you just look at his

1194
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 1: isolated one year with the Rams and what he did

1195
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 1: for certain players on that team, asked John Johnson, John

1196
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 1: Johnson went from good to great, right. I think the

1197
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 1: environment UM for him is is amazing, and I kind

1198
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 1: of just trust that the star athlete inside of him,

1199
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 1: I mean, it's sort of who he is, that's what

1200
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 1: his soul is, UM will respond. And contract wise, it's

1201
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:54,439
Speaker 1: where the fifth year option kind of helps out both

1202
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 1: sides here because they picked that up and so you know,

1203
01:02:57,080 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 1: most normally he'd be in a contract year, which would

1204
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 1: make it mess. But he's under contract for next year too,

1205
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 1: and UM, you did get me thinking was Zeke, but

1206
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 1: his he has twelve point four million, that's already guaranteed

1207
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 1: for if he was bad. Um, I don't know. At

1208
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 1: some point if he was bad this year, he's not

1209
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 1: guaranteed to be there again next year, one way or another.

1210
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 1: But also you can phase him into like a deep

1211
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 1: committee and like he has gone one year later. I

1212
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 1: mean that's that would be across roads to some degrees

1213
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 1: on a star running back. And I thought Tony Pollard

1214
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 1: was better than him last year. I even like asked

1215
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 1: the research department to give me some like next gen

1216
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 1: cool stats of of like when the because his numbers

1217
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 1: per touch were a lot better, of like when Pollard

1218
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 1: was on the field and Zeke was on the field,

1219
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 1: because it seems so much better, and uh, they came

1220
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 1: back with no. Actually the Cowboys were way better with

1221
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 1: Zeke on the field. So sometimes you go to the

1222
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 1: next gen stats, you go to the research, it doesn't

1223
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 1: give you the result you want. And you know, and

1224
01:03:58,120 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: you got an egg in your face. You got a

1225
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 1: face when you mentioned teammates playing the same position. I

1226
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 1: thought you were gonna go jail and Smith and Laton

1227
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 1: Vanderesh of the Cowboys with Michael Parsons there because their

1228
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 1: money situation would allow them to completely get away from

1229
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 1: Vanderesh after this season and Jalen Smith that's a little tougher,

1230
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 1: but you'd have to pick one or the other. To

1231
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 1: stick with Michael Parsons. Your honesty there, your ability to

1232
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 1: be vulnerable and show the the trials and tribulations of

1233
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 1: being a football analyst for you just put it all

1234
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 1: out there for the audience just now. I just have

1235
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 1: so much respect for you. Truly vulnerable. Would have been

1236
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 1: very vulnerable if I actually like mentioned that in whatever

1237
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 1: article I was writing. But no, I just ignored that fact,

1238
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 1: just ignored it. Didn't didn't support my theory. Yeah, we've

1239
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 1: all done it. By the way Zeke is he posted

1240
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 1: career loads in rushing yards nine yards per tempt four

1241
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 1: point oh. Man, if the Jets added running back that

1242
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 1: average four point oh, I'd be jumping in the streets. Uh.

1243
01:04:57,920 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 1: And he tied a career worth. I think this is

1244
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 1: what at him most on the radar with people. He

1245
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 1: had six fumbles last year. Also, there was like a

1246
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:09,160
Speaker 1: six week straight stretch where he lost the fumble every game.

1247
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 1: It wasn't just that he's putting on the ground, they

1248
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 1: were losing possession every time. It didn't look good. We

1249
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 1: are experiencing the Zeke is staying in shape off season,

1250
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 1: which happens every three off seasons. I think, uh that

1251
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:24,760
Speaker 1: I've noticed in Dallas. So it seems like he's he's motivated,

1252
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 1: all right, So there you go. There are some players,

1253
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 1: some coaches across roads. We'll be back on Thursday, you know,

1254
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 1: projected starters. Greg. Are we going to touch on it

1255
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 1: this week? We said we would last Thursday. I feel

1256
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 1: like we should mark that would be lying to the

1257
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 1: audience essentially to say we would and will not. We

1258
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 1: haven't worked out the particulars of how that segment and go,

1259
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 1: but that is something that's percolating. Maybe we'll have a

1260
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 1: guest involved as well. I don't know. Yeah, I mean

1261
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 1: we are allowed to We are allowed to lie to

1262
01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 1: the audience whenever we feel like it and in what

1263
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 1: in whatever form, But in this case it would feel

1264
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 1: wrong because it would also be you know, affecting Greg.

1265
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 1: I mean, we could just say that it's coming up

1266
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Speaker 1: next week and then just keep putting it off to

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Speaker 1: like September. Yeah, kick that can all right, that's also

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Speaker 1: in play, just to be aware of that, alright. Also

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Speaker 1: in play is your roblow NFL hat I just want

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Speaker 1: to say for our audio listeners, of course, uh that

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Speaker 1: Dan's were in the this black NFL hat, this entire show.

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Speaker 1: It's very distracting. I know, you know, I actually was

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Speaker 1: looking for my product, my product, the Redkin, before we started,

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Speaker 1: and somehow every one of my my the spencers is missing,

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Speaker 1: so multiple you don't even you don't roll with one.

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Speaker 1: I usually have them a different suggesting foul play. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't sound like I am suggesting, yes, that someone

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Speaker 1: was working against me here, like because we might be

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Speaker 1: using a segment from today's podcast on our Friday NFL

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Speaker 1: network show, and it's like, now I'm wearing a hat

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Speaker 1: and net. That's not what I like to do on television.

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Speaker 1: But who's working against you? Your wife, who's like, you're

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Speaker 1: you guys are both making income, But why you're You're not?

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Speaker 1: You're not too far away from where I am now,

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Speaker 1: and we actually saw each other. You were in my

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Speaker 1: town on Friday. How do I know that you didn't

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Speaker 1: work against me? I mean in theory that says, oh,

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Speaker 1: we can't use one of these for the network segment.

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Speaker 1: We have more work to do for the network show.

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Speaker 1: Why on earth would I go in that direction. Let's

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Speaker 1: let's come on shore Macome, so let's start hides my

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Speaker 1: stuff all the time for no reason other than just

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Speaker 1: to mess with me. So like I'll like find my

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Speaker 1: air pods like in his trash. Can you know just who?

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Speaker 1: Don't let anyone in this room. No one's coming in here. Mark.

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Speaker 1: That is the most like airtight alibi anyone's ever come

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Speaker 1: up with. Why would I want to do more work?

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Speaker 1: It's that simple. I'm ruled out as a suspect. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I buy it. All right, good stuff. We'll be back Thursday.

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Speaker 1: Yes the network show Friday, right after Good Morning Football.

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Speaker 1: To make sure you check that out at and as

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Speaker 1: Greg alluded to, yes, maybe we should. Maybe we need

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Speaker 1: to read some of these uh comments on the podcast,

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Speaker 1: so keep that in mind. Leave a five stars. We'll

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Speaker 1: read some on Thursday's show at the end of the show.

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Speaker 1: Be a part of the adventure here on the Round

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Speaker 1: the NFL podcast. This is Dan Hansons signing up for

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Speaker 1: a quiet storm the old Boss Ricky Hollywood behind the

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Speaker 1: Virtual glass until Thursday. Keep the call. M