WEBVTT - Training Camp 7/29: Day 4 Recap, Offense Improving, Defense Continues Solid Play 0:00:02.720 --> 0:00:05.520 This is the Patriots Training Camp Cast. 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:11.840 The Patriots Training Camp Cast is your source for all 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:13.600 the news from Patriots Training Camp. 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:15.520 Well, I do still watch the news. 0:00:15.680 --> 0:00:18.480 Practice is over, but the writers of Patriots dot com 0:00:18.520 --> 0:00:19.200 have you covered? 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:20.200 What did I miss yesterday? 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:23.400 Now here to review today's practice the writers of Patriots 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:24.480 dot com. 0:00:24.760 --> 0:00:27.400 All right, welcome into another edition of the Patriots Training 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:29.640 Camp Cast. I'm Mike do So, joined by Evan Lazar 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:32.000 and Paul Perrillo. And guys, we just got off the 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:34.760 field from the fourth practice the Patriots have had this summer. 0:00:34.760 --> 0:00:37.239 We made a day off yesterday, and guys, it kind 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:39.000 of felt a little bit signs of life from the offense. 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:40.879 I know it's been a little bit bumpy here early on, 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:43.479 but Paul, I felt like the offense it made some 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:45.720 place today. It wasn't overwhelming, but there were some moments. Yeah. 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:47.199 I thought the first time we got a chance to 0:00:47.200 --> 0:00:48.680 see some one on one work, and I thought the 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:52.800 receivers did a pretty good job of consistently creating some separation. 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:57.280 I thought Jalen Rager, Kayshaon Boody, a Javon Baker, I 0:00:57.320 --> 0:00:59.920 thought those guys were consistently getting open and making some 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:02.680 catches in that setting. I think when it got to 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:04.920 seven on seven and eleven on eleven, it was a 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:06.720 little bit more on even the way we've kind of 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:09.040 seen the first three days. But yeah, signs of life, 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:09.839 I would I would agree. 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:12.280 Yeah, I talk about Javon Baker because I know he's 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:13.399 standing out to you today. Yeah. 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:15.200 I thought he was open the entire practice, and I 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:17.560 was actually watching him on a couple of the eleven 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:19.640 on eleven reps away from the ball when he wasn't 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:22.240 being targeted, and I thought he was giving defenders problems. 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:24.680 And we've all said it and I feel like it 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:27.680 holds true from what we thought in the draft. Just 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:30.400 an explosive athlete kind of is a little bit twitchier, 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:32.560 moves a little bit faster than some of the other 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:35.199 guys that have been out there. Nothing against Jalen Polk, 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:38.280 who's been steady and has been able to eat up 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:40.720 a little bit of that underneath coverage at times. But 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:42.759 when you look for that big play down the field, 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:45.680 we saw it yesterday from Joe Milton. Today a crossing 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:48.640 route from Drake May, you just start to see Javon 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:51.240 Baker pop a little bit here, and I would say, 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:54.520 you know, after the thumb injury in the spring, now 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:56.760 we're getting to see him come on a little bit stronger, 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:58.360 and this is kind of what we saw at the 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:01.280 beginning of the spring until he started getting limited by 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:02.760 that injury. So I'm encouraged. 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:04.920 So let's go through some housekeeping stuff. Just you know, 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:08.080 Christian Barmore not spotted, wasn't active last couple of days. 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:09.839 We had heard reports that he was sick. He came 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:12.560 out last practice halfway through and Watch didn't even see 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:15.160 him today. Marte Mapu though he did still have that 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:19.639 same plan, came out halfway through watch practice, wasn't a participant. 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:23.239 Sean Wade wearing a red jersey. We did see Antonio 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:27.160 Gibson now officially involved in practice, so officially off the 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:29.680 NFI list. But guys, I go back to Barmore. I'm 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:31.720 just you know, after that big contract this offseason, we 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:33.400 know we're counting on him. Paul, I'm just a little 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:35.560 disappointed not seeing him out there. Hopefully it's nothing major. 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:39.000 Yeah, I mean, it's hard to necessarily say I'm concerned 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:42.040 or not concerned because you just don't really know exactly 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:44.760 what's keeping him off. You hear illness and you're like, oh, okay, 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:47.000 well you know he's not feeling great. Well, you know, 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:50.200 not that I'm comparing the two, but last year Calvin 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:52.720 Anderson was on the NFI list with an illness that 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:54.720 no one knew anything about at the time, and it 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:57.119 turned out to be quite serious. So I don't want 0:02:57.120 --> 0:02:59.639 to just make nothing of it, but without knowing, it's 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:01.920 hard to to necessarily get in a panic. 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:04.600 Yeah, just on a good news because that's kind of 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:07.520 a downer. We have Antonio Gibson back in practice, and 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:10.040 we've talked a ton about on the show running back 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:13.800 depth and a lack thereof behind Ramandra Stevenson and Antonio Gibson. 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:16.960 So definitely a sea legs practice for him. Felt like 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:19.440 he was just getting his feet wet in practice. But 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:21.720 it was good to see him back out there. He 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:24.440 doesn't look any worse for the warry, so it looks 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:25.560 like he's gonna be one hundred percent. 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:29.360 Yeah, and more good news injury wise. We saw Kendrick 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:32.480 Bourne out there in his uniform, you know, just his 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:35.920 normal sort of exuberant self. He was bouncing around having 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:39.440 all kinds of fun. Still a ways away, more than 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:42.280 likely from coming off pup, but seeing him out there 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:44.960 getting ready with the pre practice warm up with the 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:47.880 rest of his teammates, I would say that he's probably 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:50.000 getting to the point where he can see the light 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:50.800 at the end of the tunnel. 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:52.520 Now along the offensive line, we did see the same 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:55.040 combination that we saw last practice, where we have Kaden 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:57.360 Wallace the rookie on the left side, and over on 0:03:57.400 --> 0:03:59.240 the right side chooks of Corra four. So they've kind 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:01.480 of flopped things. They've stayed there for a couple practices. 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:03.480 We know the pads are going to come on tomorrow, 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:05.920 so kind of hoping that maybe this is something that 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:07.920 they feel like they can hang their hat on here 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:09.480 early in practice and go with this unit. 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:11.640 Yeah, I think that would be a good development. And 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:14.040 I did think, and you know, Evan charts all this stuff. 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:17.159 I thought there were more plays today that weren't as 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:19.320 disrupted by the pass rush as we've seen the first 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:22.280 three days. So I think there was some positive signs there. 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:25.240 And I probably think it's not a coincidence that you 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:27.800 had the same five and maybe the cohesion was a 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:28.640 little bit stronger. 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:31.719 Yeah, I'm one hundred percent with you, Paul I don't 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:34.400 necessarily agree with the combination, but that's not my job 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:37.120 to tell them which combination to go with, So I 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:39.200 don't necessarily agree with the combination. I probably would have 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:42.400 the tackles flipped. But the most important thing is having 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:44.600 the same five guys out there. That's definitely the most 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:47.800 important thing. And go back to an old scarnekieism, see 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:49.640 it through the same set of eyes. And in order 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:52.200 to build that kind of continuity that all five guys 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:54.280 are on one string and they're all pulling the rope 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:56.640 at the same time, you have to start repping it 0:04:56.920 --> 0:04:59.279 time and time and time again. So two days in 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:01.760 a row now, and then we get into the pads tomorrow, 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:03.960 hopefully it's the same five and we start to really 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:06.400 build something there. And to Paul's point, I charted three 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:10.240 pressures in fifteen reps during team drills. The other day 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:14.120 it was six and fifteen, so twice as many. And 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:17.359 then granted it's we're using our eyes and judging, and 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:19.400 I don't have film to watch it back or anything 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:21.640 like that, so that's all live. But I thought that 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:24.880 there were some mishaps, but for the most part it 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:25.640 was much cleaner. 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:27.480 One more point for me to talk about guys is 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:29.120 just we mentioned a few of the receivers that have been, 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:31.520 you know, just getting open, making catches. You mentioned Baker 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:33.599 had a good day again. Jalen Pole continues to just 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:36.560 be targeted involved get some catches. I mean he's probably 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:38.599 been I'd say, I mean, maybe you have it having 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:40.600 the most targeted guy so far. But the guy I 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:43.040 just want to talk about not really be getting much 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:45.600 mentioned as Austin Hooper second tight end. You know, we've 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:47.520 seen this for a few years now. They've had Hunter Henry, 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:50.279 who's a reliable kind of guy. We've seen Mike Kasiki, 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:52.360 We've seen John Hu Smith never really been able to 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:54.720 find a complimentary second guy. And I don't want to 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:56.400 buy the foolst goal because let's face it, we saw 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:58.360 some place from John hu and Kasiki and training camp 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:00.960 as well. But hey, let's just call it out. Nice 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:01.839 day for Austin Hooper. 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:03.719 I thought, yeah, I thought he was active throughout. I 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:06.160 thought one of the best plays probably that I can 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:09.840 remember in all four days was a scene route to 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:13.479 him in one of the team periods today. Just looked 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:16.200 really smooth running down. There was another ball that even 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:19.320 caught that was not anything that you would necessarily want 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:20.960 to see in a game. It's a play that was 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:23.480 kind of blown up, but it was about forty forty 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:26.279 five yards downfield, tracking a ball, kind of high pointing. 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:29.560 It really athletic play for a tight end that far downfield. 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:32.240 So I do think you're right. You know, we said 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:33.760 a lot of this stuff about John Ui Smith a 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:35.479 couple of years ago. We said a lot of it 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:36.800 last year about Mike Kasiki. 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:38.000 Definitely Kiki. 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:40.039 Hopefully we're talking about it in a different way with 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:40.719 Austin Hooper. 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:41.000 Yeah. 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:42.520 The hope is that he's a little bit of a 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:46.000 better blocker than Kasiki has been throughout his entire career, 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:48.480 and he's got a lot of familiarity in this scheme 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:51.000 with Alex van Pelt, so we started to talk about 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:53.719 guys learning and having a little bit of an adjustment 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:56.080 or in a learning curve. He's one of the guys 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:59.680 like Jacoby Brissett that probably has no problem stepping right 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:02.240 back to this offense. And you see that that he's 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:04.760 in the right places and it's in rhythm, and I 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:06.680 agree with Paul, the right over the middle of the 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:09.160 field off play action was the cleanest play that we've 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:11.320 seen the offense make probably in four days. 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:13.400 Yeah, so I don't know anything I missed you, guys. 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:15.000 I mean I do want to say a new signing 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:18.040 announced this morning to Ziah Brunson from the UFL, so 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:21.400 adding some defensive line depth. We think hopefully that doesn't 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:24.720 say anything about Christian Barmore's health. But otherwise, the pads 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:26.720 are due to come on tomorrow. I anticipate it'll be 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:29.720 an active week. We're expecting Wednesday will be the off day, 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:31.560 so we're thinking two more days of practice, off day 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:34.600 and then three more straight days of practice. So it's 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:37.080 not quite real football yet, guys. But the pads coming 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:39.760 on anything specifically you're kind of looking forward to tomorrow. 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:42.960 For me, the number one thing I'm looking for isn't 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:46.640 necessarily anything individual. It's how Mayo handles the pads. Yeah, 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:48.400 you know, is it going to be similar so the 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:50.960 way Bill did, because certainly toward the end there was 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:53.960 very little contact at Patriots practices. I'll be curious to 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:55.080 see how Girod handles it. 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:57.760 Yeah. I will obviously be looking on the offensive line 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:00.200 and defensive line now more than we did before, and 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:02.080 I'll have the trench reports and all that kind of 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:05.280 stuff that I love doing. But with the receivers, I 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:08.000 am curious to see how some of these guys that 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:10.960 have flashed when we get to the pads, are they 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:14.520 still productive? Are they still flashing? Jalen Rager is a 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:16.920 guy that I think has been involved and has been active, 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:19.520 but he tends to be a player throughout his career. 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:22.080 Looks great in the spring, looks great in these non 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:24.520 padded practices, and the pads come on and it's a 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:27.200 totally different ballgame. And we were just talking to Taekwon 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:29.400 Thornton after practice who said that he put on about 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:32.240 seven eight pounds of muscle this offseason. He's trying to 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:35.199 bulk up those two speed receivers. How do they look 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:37.320 once the pads come on and the corners can get 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:39.840 their hands on them and things like that. That's going 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:43.480 to decide that battle at the back end of the 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:45.920 depth chart. Not these practices. It's going to be the 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:48.720 ones in the deep summer, you know, padded ones. 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:52.240 Well, pads tomorrow, preseason next week. It's coming fast and 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:54.520 furious now, folks, But be sure to stick with us. 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:56.480 We got you covered and we'll be back tomorrow with 0:08:56.520 --> 0:09:00.480 another training camp. 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