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Speaker 1: There's a great book I've been reading. Can put it down.

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Speaker 1: It's called Decades of Decadence, How our spoiled elites blew

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Speaker 1: America's inheritance of liberty and security and prosperity. It's written

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Speaker 1: by Florida Senator Marco Rubio, who joins us now senator.

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Speaker 1: By the way, bookstores all across the country, Amazon dot

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Speaker 1: Comhannity dot com. You know, it's really amazing how you

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Speaker 1: you systematically in this book just tear apart and lay

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Speaker 1: out the case of just how far we've gotten away

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Speaker 1: from what has made historically this country great.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for having me on Sean. The book, Decades

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Speaker 2: of Decadentes is really about the decisions that were made

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Speaker 2: right after the Cold War ended, and the argument we

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Speaker 2: heard from everybody was everyone's going to become a democracy,

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Speaker 2: everyone's going to become free enterprise. We're all going to

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Speaker 2: become consumers and investors in this global economy, and country

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Speaker 2: doesn't matter anymore because you know, we're all just going

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Speaker 2: to be one big, happy, global family. It turns out

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Speaker 2: those those ideas were not just silly, they are actually destructive.

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Speaker 2: We made economic decisions that allowed jobs and factories to

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Speaker 2: leave our country, leaving millions of Americans without jobs and

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Speaker 2: therefore destroying families and communities. We're seeing the price of

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Speaker 2: that today. We de industrialize the country, so now we're

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Speaker 2: dependent on China to make all kinds of important things

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Speaker 2: for our country. They stole those factories in industrial capability,

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Speaker 2: they and steel, We gave it to them. And then

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Speaker 2: on top of all this, because country didn't matter anymore,

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Speaker 2: you know, obviously, what do we need a border for.

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Speaker 2: And even sicker is this cultural rot, the hysteria of

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Speaker 2: arguing that America is a systemically evil, racist, discriminatory, and

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Speaker 2: It needs to be systematically rebuilt because it's not good.

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Speaker 2: And then that of course leads to, by the way,

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Speaker 2: anything that's traditional, whether it's marriage, whether it's family, whether

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Speaker 2: it's church, religion and faith, all these things are actually bad.

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Speaker 2: They're not good. They need to be stopped. And to

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Speaker 2: top it all off, nothing is anymore right. If you

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Speaker 2: want to pretend the sunrises in the west instead of

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Speaker 2: the east, we're going to all have to pretend to

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Speaker 2: and if you don't, you're a hater. And that of

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Speaker 2: course is extended to the identity of gender, biological gender,

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Speaker 2: all kinds of hysteria that we now see. So's it's

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Speaker 2: undermining all the pillars of our greatness. And we got

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Speaker 2: away with it for a while because there was no

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Speaker 2: one else to compete against us, But now there is.

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Speaker 1: You actually say, and I agree with this. I wish

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Speaker 1: I didn't agree with it, but I think it's it's

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Speaker 1: self evident actually at this point, and it's that America

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Speaker 1: you know, the way you write it up is, you know,

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Speaker 1: Americans have worried about China, open borders, opioids, failing communities,

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Speaker 1: all fine, it was inevitable and it's for the best.

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Speaker 1: But everything that really did make America great short. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the people of this country are great. I really believe

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Speaker 1: that they're doing their part, but they're just you know,

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Speaker 1: gulping water every day in large part because of burdensome

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Speaker 1: We have given up all of our industrial capabilities, even

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so when you give up your investor like the

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you specifically about China. I have

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Speaker 2: Well, An, we have leaders now in office at the

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Speaker 2: our own words, like who are you to China anything?

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Speaker 2: By your own admission, you guys are a racist, bigoted country.

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Speaker 2: So I imagine you'll get more of that one Blincoln

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Speaker 2: Well, this is more dangerous than the Cold War because Russia,

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Speaker 1: Oh, by the way, this is unfolding in real time.

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Speaker 1: If you looked at the Drudge Report today, you know

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Speaker 1: the Kingdom, meaning the Saudi Kingdom and China are undermining

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Speaker 3: I didn't think that would happen in my lifetime, but

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Speaker 2: It did. And you know, I think ultimately there when

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Speaker 2: But I also think we have to understand something. Let's

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Speaker 2: Now maybe he bespoke, but it happens all the time.

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Speaker 1: Devote three specific chapters in the book to topics that

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Speaker 2: We have always had people in America who don't think

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Speaker 2: just they're not even balanced about it. It is all right,

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Speaker 2: And we've just never had so many people that have

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Speaker 2: and they've disfigured our history. And the problem is they've

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Speaker 1: Eight hundred nine to four one, Shawn, our number. You

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Speaker 4: Today we witness the most evil and heinous's abusive power

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Speaker 4: bigger and better than ever before. The FBI, Twitter files,

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Speaker 1: to get to. Let's talk first about the thirty seven

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Speaker 5: Well compared to the New York case, it's a slam dunk,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean that investigation should have gone forward.

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Speaker 5: televising of trials of this kind, and we have to

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Speaker 5: have disclosure of documents of that kind. We don't have

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Speaker 5: trials by secret in the United States.

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Speaker 1: So in the media and they're montage, go about what

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Speaker 1: about ism? What about ism? What about ism? Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: I'll play it for you. And so what about ism?

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Speaker 1: I have another word for it. I have other words

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Speaker 1: for it, and that is equal justice under the law

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Speaker 1: and equal application of our laws.

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Speaker 3: Professor, if I agree with you.

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Speaker 5: I wrote an article for The Wall Street Journal about

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Speaker 5: six months ago in praise of What's Aboutism, saying it's

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Speaker 5: the best argument you can make. You can have to

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Speaker 5: ask the question, what about Hillary Clinton? What about Sandy Berger?

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Speaker 5: What about Joe Biden? What about a Vice President Pence?

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Speaker 5: That's the essence of equal protection. What about ism? Nobody

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Speaker 5: should knock that. And I attacked Hillary Clinton for wearing oh,

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Speaker 5: what's about ism? Hat as if to mock that argument.

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Speaker 5: That argument is the essence of equal protection. Remember that

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Speaker 5: Jack Smith got in front of a television audience and said,

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Speaker 5: there's one law and it applies equally to all. How

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Speaker 5: would he know? He was only asked to prosecute and

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Speaker 5: investigate Donald Trump. He wasn't given the mandate to look

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Speaker 5: at all the problems that occur when former officials leave

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Speaker 5: office and take documents with them. That should have been

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Speaker 5: the mandate. He then could have looked at all the

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Speaker 5: cases and decide which are the most culpable, which are

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Speaker 5: the least culpable, and make a comparative. What about it

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Speaker 5: a decision?

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Speaker 1: Well, because I think equal application is the proper term

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Speaker 1: for what about is I agree with you equal application

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Speaker 1: and equal justice under the law that those are supposed

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Speaker 1: to be better our principles, at least I was taught.

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Speaker 3: So let me play for you.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a look back, and you tell me if

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Speaker 1: the comparisons justified. This is James Comey's infamous July twenty

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Speaker 1: sixteen press conference that ends with no reasonable.

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Speaker 3: Prosecutor would prosecute.

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Speaker 1: He was talking about the thirty thousand emails of Hillary

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Speaker 1: Clinton that he had access to. He's not talking about

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Speaker 1: the thirty three thousand emails that were deleted with bleach

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Speaker 1: bit and devices destroyed with hammers and simcards removed, and

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Speaker 1: that to me would show intent. He says at the

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Speaker 1: end of this, you know no prosecutor would prosecute. Well,

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Speaker 1: we couldn't find intention. Wasn't it Hillary's intention to delete

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Speaker 1: the thirty three thousand emails by having somebody apply bleach bit.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't their intention to destroy evidence? Destroying BlackBerrys and iPhones

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Speaker 1: with hammers? Let me play it for you.

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Speaker 6: Finally, with respect to our recommendation to the Department of Justice,

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Speaker 6: In our system, the prosecutors make the decisions about whether

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Speaker 6: charges are appropriate based on evidence that the FBI helps collect.

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Speaker 6: Although we don't normally make public our recommendations to the prosecutors,

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Speaker 6: we frequently make recommendations and engage in productive conversations with

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Speaker 6: prosecutors about what resolution may be appropriate given the evidence.

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Speaker 6: In this case, given the importance of the matter, I

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Speaker 6: think unusual transparency is in order. Although there is evidence

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Speaker 6: of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of

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Speaker 6: classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would

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Speaker 6: bring such a case. Prosecutor is necessarily a way a

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Speaker 6: number of factors before deciding whether to bring charges. There

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Speaker 6: are obvious considerations, like the strength of the evidence, especially

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Speaker 6: regarding intent. Responsible decisions also consider the context of a

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Speaker 6: person's actions and how similar situations have been handled in

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Speaker 6: the past. In looking back at our investigations into the

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Speaker 6: mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a

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Speaker 6: case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts.

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Speaker 6: All the cases prosecuted involved some combination of clearly intentional

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Speaker 6: and willful mishandling of classified information or vast quantities of

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Speaker 6: information exposed in such a way as to support an

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Speaker 6: inference of intentional misconduct, or indications of disloyalty to the

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Speaker 6: United States, or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not

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Speaker 6: see those things here.

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Speaker 3: All right, So is that equal justice under the law, Professor.

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Speaker 5: No, because we don't see any indication of disloyalty to

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Speaker 5: the United States. You know, they use the term espiona

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Speaker 5: jack that should be struck from this trial. There's no

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Speaker 5: allegation of it USh here. And the issue of wilfulness,

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Speaker 5: of course, we know that Hillary Clinton, who I know,

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Speaker 5: is a friend of mine, and I supported, of course,

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Speaker 5: the destruction was wilful. Her claim, of course, is that

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Speaker 5: there was no classified information there, or was her hairdresser appointments,

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Speaker 5: et cetera. But we have to take a word to that.

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Speaker 5: Once you destroy evidence, there's no way of challenging your assertion.

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Speaker 5: You know, people say it's always in the cover up,

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Speaker 5: but many cover ups work, and it's conceivable, of course

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Speaker 5: that this was a cover up, that worked that there

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Speaker 5: were many, many classified documents that were destroyed claiming that

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Speaker 5: they were hairdresser appointments. We'll never know. Now, there wouldn't

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Speaker 5: be an enough to get a prosecution, because you have

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Speaker 5: to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. But I'm not

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Speaker 5: sure there's enough here to infer the kind of wilfulness

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Speaker 5: that the statute requires. The wilfulness the statute requires isn't

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Speaker 5: just that they knew they had classified material. There has

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Speaker 5: to be some evil intention, purpose behind the classes, behind

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Speaker 5: the holding of the material in order to meet the

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Speaker 5: Hillary Clinton standard. And you know, it's hard to find

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Speaker 5: it here. Yes, maybe he knew he had it, Maybe

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Speaker 5: he thought he'd be classified it. Maybe he was wrong

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Speaker 5: about that, But we don't convict people from making honest mistakes.

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Speaker 3: Well, then we now have another what about is I mean?

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Speaker 1: There were four separate locations where top secret classified documents

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Speaker 1: were found in Joe Biden's possession, his home with his

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Speaker 1: precious garage in Corvette, his beach home, the pen Biden Center,

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Speaker 1: University of Delaware. Nobody was rated. They're just like nobody

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Speaker 1: rated Hillary. They only raided mor A Lago. And now

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Speaker 1: we have all these allegations, and I knew it was

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Speaker 1: a big deal at the time when Joe Biden demanded it,

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Speaker 1: well said he would leverage one billion US taxpayer dollars

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Speaker 1: to get a prosecutor fired in Ukraine who turned out

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Speaker 1: who was investigating his son, who had no experience. By

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Speaker 1: his own admission, he said it on Good Morning America

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Speaker 1: and was being paid a fortune. Now, why would a

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Speaker 1: vice president ever want a Ukrainian prosecutor fire? That doesn't

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Speaker 1: make sense to me, Professor number one and number two.

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Speaker 1: Now we're hearing that they had this ten twenty three

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Speaker 1: form by somebody a credible intel source of the FBI,

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Speaker 1: because they paid the guy hundreds of thousands of dollars,

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Speaker 1: and the FBI had been trying to keep it from

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Speaker 1: the House Oversight Committee.

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Speaker 5: Well, it certainly was at least as credible as the

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Speaker 5: intimation that was the basis for a faiza a warrant

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Speaker 5: on the other side. So there has to be equal justice,

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Speaker 5: not only in prosecution, but an investigation. And we must

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Speaker 5: see that those three oh two forms, we must see

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Speaker 5: the forms that make the most serious allegation possible that

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Speaker 5: the vice president of the United States now president received

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Speaker 5: money in exchange for doing favors. I hope the information

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Speaker 5: is false. I think it may be false, but I

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Speaker 5: need to know for sure, and so do you, and

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Speaker 5: so do all Americans, and so we have to be transparent.

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Speaker 1: All Right, we continue with Professor Alan Dershowitz as we

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Speaker 1: discuss all the happenings involving Donald Trump and the Biden

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Speaker 1: family syndicate. Let me play Ted Cruz with a deputy

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Speaker 1: FBI director yesterday grilling this guy on this formers.

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Speaker 7: Last month, a whistleblower brought to life the existence in

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Speaker 7: the FBI of a report at FD ten twenty three

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Speaker 7: in which the informant alleges that President Biden and his

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Speaker 7: family members engaged in a five million dollar bribery scheme

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Speaker 7: during his time as vice president deputy director of body.

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Speaker 7: Is it true that the FBI has a report making

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Speaker 7: those allegations.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to comment on that, Center, and why

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Speaker 2: is that.

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Speaker 7: I'm just not going to comment on information we received investigations.

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Speaker 7: You ow an obligation to the American people to be

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Speaker 7: candid about evidence of corruption by the president of the

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Speaker 7: United States.

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Speaker 5: This is an area that I'm not going to get

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Speaker 5: into with you.

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Speaker 3: Center, Well, I understand you don't want to.

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Speaker 7: And that's why people are mad at the FBI, because

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Speaker 7: you're stonewalling and covering up serious allegations of evidence of

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Speaker 7: corruption from the president.

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Speaker 1: So in warp Speed they indict Trump. They've had the

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Speaker 1: Hunter Biden laptop since twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 5: Professor Yeah, and Ted Cruz very familiar because he used

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Speaker 5: to cross examine me that way when I was his

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Speaker 5: professor at Harvard Law School.

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Speaker 3: I would have paid to see that.

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Speaker 5: He was one of the most interesting students you could

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Speaker 5: ever have because he wouldn't back down. And like Americans today,

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Speaker 5: some students in the class didn't like him because he

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Speaker 5: was being tough on the professor. I loved it. I

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Speaker 5: want students to be tough on me, and I think

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Speaker 5: senators have to be tough on members of the FBI.

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Speaker 5: And Ted is one hundred percent right. You may have

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Speaker 5: to redact, you may have to protect the names of

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Speaker 5: sources and methods.

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Speaker 1: Yep, agreed to comply agree completely on You may have

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Speaker 1: to do that, but they should have to uh give

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Speaker 1: in to the demand of oversight.

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Speaker 3: That's that's Congress's job. Anyway.

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Speaker 1: The book is called Get Trump. Professor Alan dershol it's

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Speaker 1: great to have you, sir, my pleasure.

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Speaker 5: Thank you,