1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,599 Speaker 1: Arizona straight to the line. There's the snap to Murray. 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: Murray looks left pumps once looking looking a lot of time. 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: Now we've ros and it didn't suthing about a line 4 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: picked up down the left sideline, picked up a block 5 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: at the dirty twenty twenty Amoni ten five and he's 6 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: spun out a pound right there. I say you, twenty four, 7 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: I see you. Welcome to the Twentyman in the Huddle podcast. 8 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: I am your host, Tim Twentyman, and I am joined 9 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: by the Hall of Famer Mike O'Hara. Everybody, and obviously 10 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: exciting time here in Alan Park with rookie minicamp Mike. 11 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: This weekend, the rookies were all here, twenty nine of 12 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: them total, including Detroit's eight draft picks. Um. Now, you know, 13 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: obviously you have to take what you see out there 14 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:50,520 Speaker 1: with a little bit of a grain of salt because 15 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: it's shorts, there's no paths, there's not a lot of contact, 16 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: but it's football, and you get to see these guys 17 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: on the field for the first time, and that's exciting. 18 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: And then next week and the week after they'll they'll 19 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: join the Vets and then we'll get it'll start to 20 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: look a lot more like football. But a couple of 21 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: quick things because we talked to Dan Campbell before the 22 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: mini camp practice today too, and just a couple of 23 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: newsy items. Joint practices in Indy. You know, Dan talked 24 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: last year about just obviously being a new head coach 25 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 1: and you know, learning, and he tried to set up 26 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: joint practices too late in the offseason process last year, 27 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,759 Speaker 1: so lines didn't have any. They will have a couple 28 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 1: ahead of their Week two game in Indianapolis against the 29 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,839 Speaker 1: Colson and Mike's just what's the benefit of those joint 30 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: practices in the dog days of August. Well, I think 31 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: the benefit is that you give your team a lift, 32 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: that's part of it. And also probably even more more 33 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: than that, is that you know, you get a couple 34 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: of days of practice against guys that you're not used 35 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: to practicing against. End. Look, you can you can call 36 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: us like grandfather plays and all that. Other people you're 37 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: just going against the same for example, your pass rushing 38 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: defensive end going against the same left tackle for two 39 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: weeks after you know each other. Yeah, and so you 40 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: get fresher work and you really get a truer feeling 41 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: of your prayers. Now it's not all out and the practices, 42 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: and they can rain it in the coaching staff on 43 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,239 Speaker 1: both sides an anytime you want, But it really I 44 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 1: think it sharpens you up a little bit and it 45 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: takes away some of the monotony of training camp. Yeah, 46 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: that's a good point too. And we've done a number 47 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: of these. Went out to California with the Raiders and 48 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: it was fun. Yeah, I've done something with the Colts, 49 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: went to Pittsburgh and did those there, and there is 50 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: an extra bit of juice, right. You just kind of 51 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: sense it, not only in the crowd, but just with 52 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: the guys too. Part of it's I think what you 53 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: mentioned just it's something different, and I think coaches look 54 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: at that a little bit different too, because I agree 55 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: with you. I think coaches kind of can sense when 56 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: two players know each other really really well. But this 57 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: is the NFL. You've got a new guy every week, 58 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: a new challenge, right, and so I think you can 59 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: approach it says, hey, this is a new challenge for 60 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: these guys. And I think the coaches maybe weigh those 61 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: joint practices a little more than they do a normal 62 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: Thursday practice in the third week of training camp against 63 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: the same guys. You Yeah, I'd agree with that, And 64 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: I also think you have a way to sort of 65 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 1: take the practices in a different direction if you want to. 66 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: For example, you can maybe say to the other day, hey, 67 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: can we run that again? But you can't do it 68 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: too much of it. You know, you can't run the 69 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: same play three or four times. But just for example, 70 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: the Lands are running a pass rush trail and you 71 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: guys just can't quite get and say, hey, could you 72 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 1: run that again? Well, it's that that really you can't 73 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: do that in a preseason game obviously can't do it 74 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: in a regular season game. But it gives you a 75 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: chance to just sort of regulate the practice and manage 76 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: it the way you want to. You know. I think 77 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: one important part of that too is just getting a 78 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: little bit more competition. They've obviously done away with one 79 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: of the preseason games, and so this is an opportunity 80 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: to get two more really competitive practice. So on top 81 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: of the three preseason games, you get two competitive joint practice. 82 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: That's five situations where that's good evaluating tape for coaches. No, 83 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: that's you're absolutely right about that. And plus, especially when 84 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: you go on the road, and training camp kind of 85 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: get it, build a little bit of a camaraderie among 86 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: your guys, and look, training camp, it's it's I wouldn't 87 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: call it a necessary evil, because there's nothing evil about it, 88 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: but it's something you have to do. And I think 89 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: after a certain certain amount of time and the guys 90 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: who've been around a while, I don't think they hate it, 91 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: but I don't think they love it either. So this 92 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: whole thing kind of gets say, gets in a new 93 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: environment and kind of that adds something to it that's 94 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: not there when you're at home the day after day 95 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 1: after day, same play, same scene, same food, same everything. 96 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: Saturday was also our first time talking with Dan since 97 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 1: the schedule came out, and you know, obviously I think 98 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 1: there was a tweet by NFL or somebody over the 99 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: weekend the Detroit Lions are the only team in the 100 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: NFL without a primetime game, and Dan Campbell was asked 101 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: about that, and his opinion is kind of like mine. 102 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 1: Not only am I selfishly love the fact that I 103 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: can be home by eight o'clock on a road game, 104 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:47,359 Speaker 1: but I think for Dan Campbell it's that way for 105 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: him too. You know, these guys are creatures of habit 106 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: and to have a one o'clock game. When they're done 107 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 1: with the game, I mean, they're already shifting to the 108 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: next opponent. They're looking ahead. And this gives Dan Campbell 109 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 1: and the coaching staff an opportunity. And he said it, look, 110 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: play the game. We don't have to sit in a 111 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,919 Speaker 1: hotel all day. We can just um go play the 112 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: game and then turn our focus to the next week. 113 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: He loves that. Just a minute. No, I'm not gonna 114 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 1: say this too, but I would like to just say 115 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: to coach Campbell, Coach, would you rather be three, thirteen 116 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: and one and have no primetime games? Or would you 117 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 1: like to be eleven and seven or six whatever it 118 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 1: is and have two or three or four and slightly inconvenienced? 119 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: Oh my god. Okay, so yeah, you're making them. You're 120 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: making the most out of what is not a bad situation. Well, 121 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 1: they were already three and thirteen, Okay, changing that with 122 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: how this schedule went, Michael, do it again. Okay, let's 123 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 1: not do it again. You're you're three at all? Okay, 124 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: And okay, guys, hold on a second, We're we're gonna 125 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 1: have to get up late. Dan Campbell was making the 126 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: most out of a bad situation. And he's right, and 127 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 1: he's right, he's right. Yeah. Yeah, But you know what, 128 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: I think probably the coaches, though they think less about 129 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 1: the schedule than we do. Look, I covered players like 130 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: a guy named Kevin Glover, three time Pro Bowl center. 131 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: I guess about all I knows who were playing this week. 132 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: He had no idea who they were playing in two weeks. 133 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 1: Didn't care player mentality right, mentality X one up. Absolutely 134 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: All right, let's get into rookie mini camp because that 135 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 1: was the big story over the week and we finally 136 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: got to see some of these guys. Let's go through 137 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: our eight draft picks. First. I know you had an 138 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 1: observation Saturday on Aidan Hutchinson. You were watching him pretty close, obviously, 139 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,239 Speaker 1: all eyes on the number two overall pick. Looked pretty 140 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 1: good in that ninety seven hand. Yeah, I don't even 141 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: know who were ninety seven before Williams. William I thought so, yeah, 142 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 1: you know, for some reason I thought it was ninety one. 143 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: I was afraid to be wrong, didn't want to blurt 144 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: it out. Well, he was ninety seven. He was wearing 145 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: white out there, actually, not on a Lulu blue like 146 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: all the other defenders. And I think the one thing 147 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: I noticed watching him some individual drills and a little 148 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 1: bit in team stuff. The one thing that jumped out 149 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: to me, Mike, I don't know if it did for you. 150 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: Two is that first step. He really had an explosive 151 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: first step when I when you know, with what I saw, 152 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: and and we gotta wait till pads come on and 153 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: obviously in contact and all that other stuff, but he 154 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: just looks the part right. Yeah, I would agree with that. 155 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: He's sixty seven to sixty two seventy something like that. Yeah, 156 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: And I would agree he's awfully angular, you know, a 157 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: little linear build or whatever you want to call it. 158 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: And I want to see how that works in when 159 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: veteran offensive tackles. Can they get under his pads and 160 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: just keep bumping them, you know, bumping them away, not 161 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: let them get to the quarterback. Now, he was drafted 162 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: second overall and should have been first overall for a reason. Okay, 163 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: And a lot of that little tip will take care 164 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: of it, you, Trayvon Walker fans out there, Trayvon Walker, 165 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: That's the fact I wouldn't fight if if it hadn't 166 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: been if it hadn't have been Aidan Hutchinson. I liked 167 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: the guy from Oregon, I really did, because he had 168 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: a little bit of sizzle, a little yeah different, that's 169 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: what Ibeau Thibodeau, Right, Yeah, Cavon Thibodeau. That was my guy, 170 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: like Jermaine Johnson. So look, we all had our fifth 171 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: I'm telling you what. The Jets got a deal there. 172 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: I'm just saying I'm throwing it out there back to 173 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: a Hutchinson. But um, you know one thing I noticed 174 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: you is they used him on both sides. Yeah, but 175 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: a great point. And so he was right left And 176 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: that's the biggest thing that we talked about all the 177 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: time with him, and that was the talk leading into 178 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: the draft, was just his versatility. Right, This are such 179 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: a thing as being ambidextrious in the past, Rush and others. 180 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: You can do it as well left handed as you 181 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: can right. It's sort of like being a switch hitter 182 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: in baseball. I guess, well, that's a good point, because 183 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: your line up, you've always got an advantage. Yeah, yeah, 184 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: maybe you you have. You know, you're you're maybe you're 185 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: stronger on the right side than you are on the 186 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: left side. But all you can you do both and 187 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: take advantage of the of the matchup, the offensive line 188 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: on their matchups, absolutely sure. You know one thing I 189 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: can't wait to see too when they join the Vets is, boy, 190 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: he's going to get his workout with Taylor Decker and 191 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: Penny Sewell, right, I mean that whole iron Charge's iron thing, 192 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: I mean, and Matt Nelson that's a good one. You mean, Rush, 193 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: those guys are gonna make him better if he wants 194 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: to to to make plays in practice. I mean, those 195 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: are two pretty darn good tackles to sharpen your skills against. Yeah, 196 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: and I don't cover a lot of you. I don't 197 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: watch a lot of college football. They don't cover it 198 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: obviously anymore. But one thing about him that when I 199 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: watched a couple of the Michigan games, and one of them, 200 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: of course, was the Ohio State game, let's focus on 201 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,719 Speaker 1: that and not Georgia. But the thing about him, he 202 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: certainly he seems to have a desire to be good. 203 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: And I and there's nothing wrong with the desire to 204 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: be noticed as good too. Yeah, I like that, I 205 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: really do. I like guys who want to be special. 206 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: For sure. You know he's got he's got a shot 207 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: at that toim, you know. And one guy who could 208 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: be very special offensively for Lions is Jamison Williams, the 209 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: number the first round pick. Lions used two picks back 210 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: into the first round. Take him at number twelve. Now, 211 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: obviously he's coming off the ACL injury, so we didn't 212 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: see him, you know, practicing at rookie mini camp. But 213 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: you know, one thing I noticed about him was he 214 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: might have been the number one cheerleader on that field 215 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: on Saturday, because I mean every time a wide receiver 216 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: made a play, that was him. He had a football 217 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: in his hand, and I think it was for two hours. 218 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: I never saw him. I don't think I dropped the football. 219 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: He was playing catch at one point with Randall l 220 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 1: He was, you know, doing one of these and catching 221 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: with with Dan Campbell at some point. Um, He's just 222 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: he's finding a way to be involved. And I like 223 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: that about a guy who's obviously hurt working his way back, 224 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: expect expected to be a huge part of this offense, 225 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 1: but finding a way to be a part when you 226 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: can't be a part on the field. Yeah, there's sort 227 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: of and this is a good thing. I think there's 228 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: sort of I'm here, you know, I'm there, guys, don't 229 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: forget me. Yeah here, I'm gonna be out there. One 230 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: of the questions I asked him is just was it 231 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: just like to be on this field, out on that grass? 232 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: And he gave a really good answer about it. It 233 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: just meant you, said, I think it's something said it 234 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: meant everything to me, or something like that. Oh, look, 235 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: there are things down the line. They're going to be 236 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: in a lot more than just standing out there on 237 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: the graft this field. But look, I I love the 238 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: way that the LEGI trade lines moved up in the 239 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: draft to get him. This idea of building draft picks, 240 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: don't let's build players up. Yeah, but I like that 241 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: point by you. I mean this is you know, grit, right, 242 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: So that's what they're they're they're talking about, you know. 243 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: And and that was a guy that didn't just sit 244 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: back and watch right. I mean he was involved in it. 245 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,079 Speaker 1: I mean the kid from Central Michigan, Pimpleton, made a 246 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: really nice play and went down the field and um, 247 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: you know, you see Jamison, you know, ten fifteen yards 248 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: walking that way to be the first one to smack 249 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: him a five. I just I like that. I just 250 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: I just liked that he wasn't hurt Sulkin, woe is me, 251 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: I'll watch. He really found a way to be involved, 252 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: and I loved that. When you think about this, and 253 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: I wasn't. I really just when you brought this up, 254 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: I just thought of it. This is his third team 255 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: in three years, so it's not like he's got guys 256 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: he's played with all his life. He was was it 257 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,719 Speaker 1: two years ago, he was at Ohio State, last year, 258 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: he was what at Alabama? And here's just with the 259 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: Detroit Lions. So he seems to be just based on 260 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 1: what we've seen with our own two eyes, is a 261 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: guy who wants to be a Joiner. He wants to 262 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: be part of the team. I like that. That's pretty cool. 263 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: I like that too. All right, let's move on to 264 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: the second round. Josh pascal Um another versatile player. Um 265 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:00,719 Speaker 1: different kind of body type than um Aidan Hutsen, you know, 266 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 1: a little bit bigger, a little bit thicker, wider especially 267 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: you know, in the legs, in the butt Um, but 268 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: a guy that the Lions want to eventually rush him 269 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: from the inside. He was at the combine at two 270 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty eight pounds. We talked to Todd Wash 271 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: last week or the week before just about you know 272 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: what he sees in these guys, and he said, look, 273 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: we hope he puts on that good weight, gets up 274 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 1: to two eighty ish and then he can be a 275 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: rush guy inside. I notice, and maybe you saw him 276 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: rush from the interior, but I just saw him on 277 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: the outside today. So I think that's going to be 278 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: the plan, at least initially, is to rush him out 279 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: wide and then to eventually maybe move him in or 280 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: do some NASCAR packages, some stuff, some stuff where he 281 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: can go in. But first day of minicamp, first open 282 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: rookie practice, I saw him on the outside almost exclusively. Well, 283 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: they need the nash Car rush or they got you 284 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 1: go too long, Okay, so let's get the guy in 285 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: there and get on the quarterbacks, get on his back. 286 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: But I agree with you on that. The one thing 287 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 1: you saw was he's got that. I'm not going to 288 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: demonstrate there. I'd try to, but just the rip move, 289 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: the quick move, and get inside and really look the 290 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: outside pass rush. The edge rushers edge great, but nothing 291 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: aggravates the quarterback more or takes him out of his 292 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:10,959 Speaker 1: game than a guy getting right in his face. Because 293 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,079 Speaker 1: you can't. You can't get away from it. You'll see 294 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: guys leaning back and throwing the ball instead of being 295 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: able to plant and drive and drive the ball. And 296 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: the last time we saw this Lion's defense really, really good, Mike, 297 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: was twenty fourteen when Dominican Sue was doing that right 298 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: and during that stretch when in Dominican was really in Dominican. 299 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: That's what he provided, that rush up the middle. And look, 300 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:31,719 Speaker 1: we've talked to Matthew Stafford a bunch of times at 301 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: his locker and he even admitted, oh, yeah, the worst 302 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: rush you can get as a quarterback is at up 303 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: the middle, because what they want to do is they 304 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 1: want to see that on the outside, step up in 305 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: the pocket and deliver the football. Ziggy answer too, and 306 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 1: he really broke out that year with his fifteen. And 307 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: so they had it on the edge and the middle, 308 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: and that was the difference. And you know, obviously they 309 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: were historically good against the run, but when you can 310 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: get a combination of rush inside and on the edge, 311 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: it's just a difference maker for a quarterback. If you 312 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: have two rush ends, it's are to still neutralize those guys, 313 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: but they can be neutralized, you know, you can make 314 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: them run wide and you can step up as a quarterback. 315 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: You can't go anywhere where the guy coming straight in 316 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: your face. No, And if you get it like well 317 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: there's there's one in Domic con sue right well. And 318 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 1: I don't want to, you know, say that Pascals and 319 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 1: domic can sue because that's not fair on that kid. 320 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: But what we're you know, talking about, is getting that 321 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: kind of interior rush. You hope Levi owns Rique, takes 322 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: that next step and can give them something there. I 323 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: think a Lee McNeil is kind of that run stuffer. 324 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: I think he can do it a little bit, but 325 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: you're not expecting him to be a double digit sack guy. 326 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: But with Levi and Josh, I think maybe there's the 327 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: possibility there, Mike, that they can really give you something 328 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: from the interior. And a couple of things about Levi Levi, 329 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: I think by any measure, his rookie season was disappointing. Sure, 330 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: probably more for him than anybody else, but well, I 331 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: really looked at his stats. He played about a thirty 332 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: thirty percent or about thirty five or thirty six percent 333 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: of the snaps, you know, about one third of the snaps. 334 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: We had one quarterback, one quarterback sack, and I think 335 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: two quarterback yets or some something like that. That's not 336 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: the production, didn't the impact now, but he was hurt. Absolutely. 337 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: He was hurt to a point where he had a 338 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: stand up during the team the position meetings because it 339 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: hurt to sit and he couldn't stay seated for a 340 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: period of time. And what First of all, what a 341 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: way to live, I know, right, And what a way 342 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: to play football? Not a good way to play. But 343 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: I think that you know what he said about what 344 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: Levi said about the switch to the to the four 345 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: to three, he said, look, that's what us guys wanted, 346 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: that's what we're used to playing in college. Now this 347 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: is in college. But I guys want to be turned 348 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: loose and go go get the quarterback. And I think 349 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: that'll if they've got the you know, if they've got 350 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: the assets to get it done, enough pass rushers, lying back, 351 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: whatever you want to call them, the guys to fill 352 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: the slots that you need, then I think it's a 353 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: great step up and maybe we'll get back to the 354 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: old fearsome four some silver rush days where they really 355 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: got fifty sacks a year I like it. And you know, 356 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: the Lions moved back cautiously. You know, they're you know, 357 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: because they wanted Josh Pascal. You know, they were a 358 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: little worried that moving too far back. When they trade 359 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: it up to get um Jamison Williams and they went 360 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: from the thirty fourth pick to the forty six picky, 361 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: they were a little worried that he wouldn't be there. 362 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: They still got their guy, and let's hope he can 363 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: give them something from the interior. Yeah, I'm pro football focused, 364 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: by the way. So that the Detroit Lion they had 365 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: four four teams that did the dust. For the four 366 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: units that improved the most in the draft, Number one 367 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: was the Detroit Lions defensive line. I can't argue with that. Yeah, 368 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: that the front four. All right, let's shift to the 369 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: back end of that defense. Kirby Joseph third round, Illinois. 370 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: You know, I thought it was really interesting Saturday when 371 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: I watched him for a little bit. First off, I 372 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: like the bodybuild, you know, I like I think he 373 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: can come up and he'll be able to hit people. Um. 374 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: I think he's got to work on his coverage stuff 375 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: a little bit. I think sometimes and I think more. 376 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: It was probably just learning scheme. You know, when you're 377 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: thinking about the game so much, you play a little 378 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: bit slower. I thought he was a step slow here 379 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: and there, and and AG was on him a little bit. 380 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: But I think that will that'll, you know, you get 381 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: cleared up when he gets more comfortable with the scheme. 382 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 1: But what I did like about him is I thought 383 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: he played more of the strong safety role a little 384 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 1: bit on Saturday, and he played some nickel too, which 385 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 1: I think is interesting. And you've got to like that 386 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: kind of versatility from a safety. Yeah, I agree with 387 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: I didn't see much of him because I was watching 388 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 1: other guys at the time, But but I wouldn't want 389 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 1: a because he knows how to get audio. He doesn't 390 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: know how to get when you say. Once last week 391 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: we were talking about him, he said, especially a rookie, 392 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, I'll talk to them a little different, 393 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: probably a lot different. Yeah, but not in a mean 394 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:33,360 Speaker 1: way out there, by the way, it's just to get 395 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: the best out of these players, the best you can. 396 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,959 Speaker 1: That's what makes them such a great coach. But Aubrey 397 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: pleasants the same way. Yeah, but I agree with you. Yeah, 398 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: that's that's Uh, they need that, but maybe they know 399 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 1: the player they signed in the offseason from from the 400 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 1: Rate from the Baltimore Sean Elliott Shan it was on 401 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 1: my first podcast talking about the schedule. Yeah, great, everything 402 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: we hear he likes to hit and that's that there's 403 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 1: there's been a sort of a that's been a soft 404 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 1: spot in my opinion. Yeah, and asked two three four 405 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: years lines. Certainly need you know Kirby to be a 406 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 1: player though, I mean because you obviously think you got 407 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: Tracy Walker obviously at one spot, and I think Deshan 408 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 1: Elliott we can both agrees to favorite there. But if 409 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: something happens to one of those guys, HiT's a pretty 410 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: thin safety group. And I think that was the reason why, um, 411 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: you know Brad Holmes, you know, went and got Kirby 412 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: is because you know he kind of fit um that 413 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: versatility they like at the safety position, but they just 414 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: need depth and guys there too. So I think he's 415 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: he's a guy that you're not talking about like he 416 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 1: needs to develop to a point where he plays quickly, 417 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 1: but he needs to develop to a point that if 418 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,479 Speaker 1: he's asked to come in and play, that might be 419 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: an important ask if something happens to one of those 420 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: guys ahead of him, just because of the lack of 421 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 1: depth they have at that it's maybe Will Harris. You know, 422 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: he's been using a lot of different spots. There's no 423 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: there's no unwillingness to hit with Will Harris. You know, 424 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 1: maybe sometimes a little after the whistle, but but hell, 425 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 1: you never know what a guy's going to develop. That 426 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: that happens, it happens later for some guys, and it 427 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: does for like Jameson Williams. James Mitchell at the tight 428 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: end they selected in the fifth round, still battling a knee. 429 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: I talked to him after practice. He said, he really 430 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:12,360 Speaker 1: doesn't have a date, you know, of when he expects 431 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 1: to be back. He was hoping it was training camp. 432 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: But another guy, when you watched him on tape in college, 433 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: blocked really, really well. And you made the point when 434 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 1: we were talking before. They said, when you look at him, 435 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: he's not a big guy. He's not Dan Campbell. He's 436 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: not even hawks. You know, got some shoulders to him 437 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: and a big Campbell. No one's got Dan Campbell's shoulders. 438 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: But that's not his body build. And you see why 439 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: he made so many plays in the passing game. He 440 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 1: looks like that kind of body type as a tight end, 441 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: but he blocks pretty well. He's a he's a pretty 442 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: versatile guy as well, and he's he's a guy can't 443 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 1: wait to see when he gets back. He's hoping for 444 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 1: training camp now. He he tore that ACL and I 445 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,239 Speaker 1: think week three of the college for four seasons, so 446 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: that's about the timeline there, the start of training camp. 447 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 1: So you expect him back and to see where he 448 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: fits with with t J. Hockinson and right and you know, 449 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 1: some of the guys that they brought in. I think 450 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: he's got a great opportunity to, you know, be one 451 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 1: of those top three guys and earn himself some playing time. 452 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 1: Him with those five backup offensive lineman. By the way, 453 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: with the Detroit Lions, those are pretty good players in there, 454 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: most of them for the most part. And you know, 455 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: Matt Nelson could be a blocking type, you know, right, 456 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 1: you know the guy who comes in does swing tackle. Yeah, 457 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 1: himself eligible and all. Yeah, So I think I think 458 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: I don't think there's any shortage of blocking for the 459 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: Detroit Lions. Now, I know a guy that you wrote 460 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: on following um rookie minicamp practice on Saturday. Malcolm Rodriguez, Malcolm, Malcolm. 461 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 1: I know, Yeah, he's a guy that you like. And 462 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: we didn't get a chance to talk to him after 463 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: the draft. He had a family commitment, so I was 464 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: talking with somebody else. You wandered over and talked with Malcolm. 465 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 1: What was the impression of talking to that young man? 466 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 1: And maybe just how you see him fitting in Detroit's defense? 467 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:52,199 Speaker 1: And I think it would run the next time he 468 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: sees me, because I wore him out. No, but I'll 469 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: tell you what. Here's a kid, kid who was one 470 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty two pound wrestler as a sophomore in 471 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: high school and wagon are Oklahoma, and he finty second 472 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,360 Speaker 1: and that motivated him, and so he gained thirty pounds 473 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: and he won two straight champt two straight state wrestling 474 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: championships in Oklahoma, one at one hundred and eighty two pounds. 475 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: He put on thirty pounds in one year, which makes 476 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 1: me wonder how much he lost to get to one 477 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 1: fifty two. By the way, that's right, you know what 478 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: wrestling's like. And then he got up to one ninety 479 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: five as a senior, went off to college at Oklahoma 480 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 1: State and he played safety for two years and then 481 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: got moved to linebacker. And I think he's sort of 482 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: been in that two twelve to fifteen to twenty one 483 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: range something like that. They listed at two thirty two. 484 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: I think that's a little more than anyways. I think 485 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 1: he's more like the two twenty sixth range right now, 486 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 1: but with room to grow. But boy, he took a 487 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: look at him athletically. I mean, I'm telling you he 488 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: was a former quarterback in school state. Yeah, this guy 489 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: he's got something. He's you know, he's a thirty nine 490 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: and a half inch vertical jump. I made a broad 491 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:58,199 Speaker 1: standing broad and I think almost but I forget exactly 492 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: what it was thirteen feet or four five two forty 493 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: five to forty Yeah, absolutely, Look they've got something there. Now, 494 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: he has a little bit undersize, and he's never going 495 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: to be more than you can put on weight, but 496 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 1: you can't put audiences. He's going to be, you know, 497 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: five eleven for his entire career. Yeah, but the linebacker 498 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 1: that he's modeled himself after it, and why not is 499 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner set to forty two? Well that's a little bigger. Yeah, 500 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: But when you're starting with around a two thirty range. 501 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: A little beats a lot. One thing I noticed with 502 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 1: Malcolm on Saturday is he was doing seven on seven's 503 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,640 Speaker 1: and Greg Bell, the running back out of San Diego State, 504 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,679 Speaker 1: quick guy, fast guy, did a kind of a wheel 505 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: route and was down the sideline. Malcolm Jenkin or Malcolm 506 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:45,120 Speaker 1: excuse me, was running foot for foot, yeah, right with him. 507 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: And you know, the past went incomplete. And I think 508 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: you talk about him being under sized, But to me, 509 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,919 Speaker 1: when I watched Detroit's linebackers last year, the area I 510 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: thought needed the most amount of improvement, and I thought 511 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: Derek Barnes did improve from the beginning. There's the end 512 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: of year, which just being able to play in space 513 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: and in the passing aspect of playing the linebacker position. 514 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: I mean, that's such a targeted position now by offense 515 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: is because of how dynamic the Alvin Kamaras and the 516 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 1: Dalvin Cooks and the DeAndre Swifts are in the passing 517 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: game and some of these tight ends, and it's it's 518 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 1: all a matchup game and trying to get those guys 519 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: against linebackers and no offense to alex Enzeloni and some 520 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 1: of the other guys here, but look at they're bigger, stronger, 521 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: hold up more against the run than play in space, 522 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 1: run and cover linebackers. And so I think that's am 523 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: I wrong to think that's where Malcolm can maybe find 524 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: a niche and be a third down guy and get 525 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 1: onto the field earlier because of those that speed athleticism 526 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: that you talked about House of Love, that russ wrestlers 527 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: know their body and how to control weight better than 528 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: any other athlete ever. So I like that aspect about 529 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: him too. Am I crazy to think he could get 530 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: on the field early and playing space, Well, he might 531 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 1: be crazy, but that's not why. No, I think I 532 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: agree with you. And and and he made it. He 533 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: made the point we were just talking to him. There's 534 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: like eight or ten or twelve of us interview in him. 535 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: And and he didn't make the point that you know, 536 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,640 Speaker 1: playing the deep set, you know the deep safety. Now 537 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: you've got a broad look at the game, but the 538 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 1: thing that you learned to do is cover, you know, 539 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: run and cover. And he talked about the fact, he 540 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,439 Speaker 1: talked about that that play that you you mentioned before, 541 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 1: and he said, you have to be quick and you 542 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: have to be able to use your hands quickly too, 543 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: and I think that that seems to be an asset 544 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 1: he has now. He said, look, I've got to make this, 545 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 1: make the roster. You use the word roster, but I've 546 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 1: got to make it on special teams and work my 547 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: way into the into the linebacker room. So he's smart too. 548 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: He's smart. He knows he's my sleeper pick of rookies 549 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: who I think could could impact. Yeah, same here, I think. 550 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: And I just like they had one thing about that 551 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:47,199 Speaker 1: that the safety or that the safety the conference he 552 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 1: played it, I don't know if they ever ran the 553 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: ball anymore. They must throw it ninety times a game, 554 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,919 Speaker 1: and so he's certainly in a point that's like it's like, 555 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: you know, playing pitch and catching practice, just play after 556 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 1: play after play. So he certainly has to be I 557 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 1: would think familiar with the passing game. Now. Once again 558 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,959 Speaker 1: it's college to pro, but it's those principles in college 559 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: and pro in the passing game are more closely a 560 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 1: line now than they ever have been. Fellow sixth round pick, 561 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: fellow linebacker James Houston, started his career in Florida, transferred 562 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: to Jackson State, and the interesting thing with him is 563 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 1: that he was an off the ball linebacker at Florida, 564 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 1: you know, most of the years he was there. And 565 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: he goes to Dion Sanders Jackson State and he becomes 566 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: a kind of more on the ball rush kind of 567 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 1: guy and had all these sacks and quarterback pressures and everything. 568 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: But to me, it's interesting the lines are pushing him 569 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: back off the ball. At least they were during rookie minicamp. 570 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: We talked to Todd wash and he said that was probably, 571 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: you know, the path that they were going to start 572 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: him on, see if he can play that outside linebacker 573 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: role that will or Sam And you know, I thought 574 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: it was interesting with him too, for a guy who 575 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: hadn't played off the ball in a year, and he 576 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 1: nearly made an interception Saturday and seven on sevens. You know, 577 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: I thought he played pretty well well in space. He's 578 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: got pretty good speed for his size. He's a bigger 579 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: guy because he could play on the ball at Jackson State. 580 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: But um, he's an interesting one to me. And where 581 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,239 Speaker 1: the Lions are at linebacker, They've obviously got a lot 582 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: of veteran guys there that have experienced, but there's not 583 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 1: that huge difference maker at this point. They're looking for 584 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 1: those kind of guys we talked about with Malcolm Rodriguez, 585 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: kN James Houston be a difference maker at that linebacker spot. 586 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: In your opinion, well, I think he's you know, I 587 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: think he's shown some pass for our skills. Now it's what, 588 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: you know, the competition he played against, the opportunities said, 589 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: I mean, who knows. But but if if you if 590 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: you have a specialty international football league, there are places 591 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 1: where it's where it's absolutely vital you can make a 592 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: career out of it. One is pass rusher, Yeah, one 593 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: is third down receiver out of the backfield, things like that. 594 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,439 Speaker 1: You know, let's not talk about kickers and punters and 595 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: all that. But and if he is in the in 596 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 1: the NFL, what he's been in college is last year 597 00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: he's got. He's got a chance to make a career 598 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: for him. So and I think at the very least, 599 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: if he's playing off the ball will or Sam Blitzer. 600 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 1: He made a play Saturday as a Blitzer where he 601 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: disrupted a play too. And when you've got that year 602 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: of being an on the line of scrimmage pass rusher 603 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 1: and they move you back to the second level, you 604 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 1: don't just lose those pass rushing skills. I think one 605 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 1: way that he can be effective early on is is 606 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: maybe he's a third down guy as a blitzer, UM, 607 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: he can give them something UM as a pass rusher, 608 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: come up to the line of scrimmage, be a you know, 609 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: a two point stand stand up kind of guy that 610 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: comes after the quarterback here and there. But he's gonna 611 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 1: have to play in space. He's gonna have to if 612 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 1: he's gonna be a will or Sam. I think he 613 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: stands up really good against the run. It was encouraging 614 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: that that that I saw him play pretty well in 615 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 1: space on Saturday. He's gonna have to prove kind of 616 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 1: all those other skills outside of just being a pure passers. 617 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 1: I just don't think that's how the lines are gonna 618 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: use him. You know, if you're if you're if you're 619 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: going to be a role player and you can add 620 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 1: to it, that's a tremendous asset free for both for 621 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,239 Speaker 1: the Lions and for yourself. Or if he can, if 622 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 1: he can play off the ball and rush the pad, 623 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 1: then that puts a heck of a dilemma on the 624 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 1: on the on the opposium offensive coordinator to call it 625 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,439 Speaker 1: plays because let's just say no, he's he's you know, 626 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 1: he's a pass rush pass rush first, and you don't know. 627 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: But if he can come, if you can put him 628 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 1: in on third down or any passing down and you're 629 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 1: not sure if he's coming or not, that really that 630 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 1: really adds a dimension to your defense. That's a good point. 631 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: Problems for the offense for sure. Our last defensive guy 632 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 1: to talk about Chase Lucas. Great, great interview, great interview. 633 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: He has the Mike O'Hara interview approval. That's key. That's 634 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: a that's a key distinction among the young guys. Favorite 635 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: of Mike O'Hara. And then he was good though good, 636 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: he really wants one. I didn't get to well, he's 637 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 1: been he's a six year player. He played an extra year. 638 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: I asked him about the about the NIL versus the NFL, 639 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: by the NFL is a lot better than he especially 640 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: for guys. That smart kid, he really was. But he 641 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: is smart and you know he played he had. The 642 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 1: value for him was the amount of time that he 643 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 1: played with her and Edwards as a head coach, played 644 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: defensive back in the NFL and coach twelve thirteen years 645 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: went into coach. He was an assistant coach, the defensive 646 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: backfield coach, that a head coach in the National Football League. 647 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: Now he's taking those skills to UH to college football 648 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: at Arizona State. And he talked about how much he 649 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: learned from you. I think he played it was almost 650 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: this entire sixth season as in the slot. So he's 651 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: had a lot of a lot of experience UH in 652 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: different positions at Arizona State. Now we talked about a 653 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: guy being a second round pick for a reason, guys 654 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: or seventh round picks for a reason, right, but think 655 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: about at least twenty four years old already, and you 656 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: know that this is his shot. Look, he's gonna get 657 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: coaching with Aubrey president Aaron Glen. I mean, those guys 658 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: are you know Aaron Glenn obviously was an All Pro 659 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: type player for he was plus I think he played 660 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: fourteen years or fifteen years something like that. He just 661 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: knows the position. Aubrey Pleasant is an up and comer. 662 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: He's going to be a defensive coordina sooner rather than later. Um, 663 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 1: they get a lot out of those young guys. We 664 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: saw it last year with aj Parker, right, Jerry Jacobs 665 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: all those young guys, undrafted guys that just came in 666 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 1: and were able to make an impact because of you know, 667 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: in part because of the coaching that they received. So look, 668 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: he's a seventh round pick that that that that's been 669 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: in where Aj Parker and Jerry Jacobs came last year 670 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: and those guys, um, you know, hashed out pretty good 671 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: rookie years um and are going to be impact guys. 672 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: So look at kid's gonna have an opportunity to compete 673 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: and play, especially if he plays in the nickel you 674 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: like where Aj Parkers at Mike Hues, the veteran who 675 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: they signed, can can play there as well. But I 676 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: think that's more of an open spot. I think there's 677 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: some pretty good competition on the outside between some bets 678 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: and and some young guys, but that nickel spot, I 679 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: think if if he can come in there and show 680 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: that he can make plays from the nickel, I think 681 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: there's an opportunity to at least make the team there ye, 682 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: and that that position has grown in an important year 683 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: by year by year. I mean, look at when they 684 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: put out three receivers, you better have three good defensive decks. 685 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: They put out four, you better have four and they 686 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: play five, you just can't go. Well at what do 687 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: we do? Yeah, you've got You've got to be able 688 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: to cover or you can't. The National Football League in 689 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: this era, you can't win if you can't cover or 690 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 1: or whatever. However you do it, either by the pass, rush, 691 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: secondary or whatever. But you better be able to get 692 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: off the field on third down and passing situations or 693 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: you can't win an important position. That's why you know 694 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: Jeff Okuda and how he comes acause I think will 695 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 1: be a huge storyline for this team. And it's a 696 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: guy you want to do well. I mean it's not 697 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: lack of a because he's a good kid too. Yeah. Absolutely, 698 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: all right. We covered the draft picks. Now, obviously there's 699 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: tryout players here, there's undrafted free agents that the team 700 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: signed right after the draft. I'm just curious watching Saturday, 701 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: did they jump out at all to you. Yeah, it's 702 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: a kid from from Central Michigan. There's a Khalil Templeton ten. Yeah, 703 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 1: you know, Central Michigan had a couple of guys drafted high. 704 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: But on the offensive line there was an offensive tackle 705 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: I think was like, if it wasn't a first round pick, 706 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: he was a second. Then he had a guard who 707 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: might be the best of the group there in the 708 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: third round for some reason, Central Michigan is well. I 709 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: shouldn't say for some reason, because it's good football, period, 710 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 1: is what it is. But he looked good. And I 711 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: didn't see a lot of him because I wasn't you know, 712 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: I wasn't watching him all of that. But but he's 713 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: got a chance. He really does. In the same wavelength here, 714 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 1: we do our observations. Obviously, I just say what you 715 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: tell every practice, and he was one of my observations 716 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: because he stood out to me too. Now he's look, 717 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: he's a five eight hundred seventy two, so he's a 718 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: small guy. He's that Caliph Raymond type of body. But 719 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: of other receivers who were there Saturday, to me, he 720 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: stood out and it was he's cat quick. And where 721 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: he really stood out to me is they did this 722 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 1: special team's drill where the ball carrier started at one 723 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 1: cone in the corner and the defender started the other 724 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 1: cone about ten yards apart, and they had to basically 725 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: make a move try to tackle him. He was so 726 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 1: cat quick, I don't know if they got a hand 727 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: on him. And even when he went straight line. Um, 728 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: I don't think they touched him in seven on seven. 729 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: He made a sliding catch, got up before anybody could 730 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 1: touch him, and race down the field. I thought he 731 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: stood out among the receivers. But again, now that's a 732 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 1: pretty deep receiver group now with DJ Shark and Jamison 733 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 1: obviously coming in. I mean, you're talking about guys like 734 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 1: quintet Cephis, who was really good before he got hurt. 735 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: Now in that kind of horrible spot, so it's gonna 736 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 1: be tough for a guy. But look, if he's got 737 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: some return ability, which he does. He was a dynamic 738 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 1: kick and punt returner at central and just find your 739 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: niche right, find a role, be good at special teams, 740 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: be that number two guy behind Cliff Raymond as a 741 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: punt return and you never know what happens with injuries 742 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 1: and whatever, you get your shot. But he was a 743 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 1: guy that stood out, and I think he if he 744 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,719 Speaker 1: if he can make plays here or there, I think 745 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: he's at least got a shot to stick around practice 746 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: squad or something like that and be a factor moving forward. Well, 747 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 1: look at a guy like Cliff Raymond, look at his 748 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 1: look at his history, and he's played you know, he's 749 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: played an awful lot of places and he's played pretty well, 750 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 1: and he's you know what, he's a guy that that 751 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: if you have room room for him on your roster, 752 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 1: who've got a reliable National Football League professional football player? 753 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: One other name I want to throw out there for 754 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 1: you guys, Obena Essie. I believe I'm saying that right. 755 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 1: I'm a listener. I think I've got it right. But 756 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: the tackle from TCU, oh yeah, sure, Michael, his arms 757 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 1: almost drag on the almost thirty seven inch arms six 758 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 1: six three twenty one. He was doing warmups and his 759 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,359 Speaker 1: arms were longer than his shorts and they almost went 760 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,320 Speaker 1: on to his knees. I mean, he has got terrific 761 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:37,320 Speaker 1: length and those long arms. Um, I just think, yeah, obviously, 762 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: again we're talking about a position group that's probably the 763 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 1: most talented on the football team and probably the deepest. 764 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,319 Speaker 1: But um, to me, if his game can in any 765 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: way match his physical um, you know, just his stature, 766 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: I think that's that's a guy that maybe has a chance. Well, 767 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 1: when you're saying when you say thirty seven inches, I 768 00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 1: think they really sort of the Mendoza line there is 769 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: thirty four and he's exceeds that by you know, I 770 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:07,359 Speaker 1: mean that's what they want. Thirty big long thirty seven. 771 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 1: I think that's three more nearly thirty seven hit. I 772 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 1: mean those things are are trees that he's dragging around 773 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,320 Speaker 1: on the side of him, and he latches onto a 774 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: defensive end. It'll be interesting to see. That's that's one 775 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,879 Speaker 1: guy I'm in watching um as we go. Pimpleton as well. 776 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 1: So there's a couple names for you guys. As the 777 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 1: veterans will join the excuse me, the rookies will join 778 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 1: the veterans here in a week or two, and that's 779 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 1: when we start to see really how good how quickly 780 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 1: they can adapt to the veteran tempo, the veteran knowledge, 781 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:46,319 Speaker 1: the veteran skill set, because there's a big difference there. 782 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 1: And just one thing. Last year, I don't think in 783 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 1: Murky Camp, I don't think they had a quarterback. They 784 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: had one. Now they had now Connor Sampson. He could 785 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 1: sling a little bit Connor Sam Illinois. Sorry, doesn't that 786 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 1: Tony Romo. Didn't Tony Romo go to West. It was 787 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,840 Speaker 1: an Eastern Illinois Eastern, didn't he It was either it 788 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 1: was one or the other. East West Was it east there? 789 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: All right? See our producer TJ. Somebody from Western Illinois correcting. Yeah, 790 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: we don't claim him, we don't want him. It was 791 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 1: an Illinois. It was a small school out of Illinois. 792 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,920 Speaker 1: Let's just put it that way. Okay, comparable. I tried right, okay, 793 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 1: but he could sling it a little bit. It'll be interesting. 794 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: I believe he was a tryout player, so um, kind 795 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 1: of we'll see where that goes with him. But it'll 796 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 1: be fun when the rookies that we talked about today 797 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 1: joined the Vets. Um, that'll be coming, like I said, 798 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 1: in a week or two. And when that day comes, um, 799 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 1: we'll have another podcast for you. I don't know if 800 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 1: Mike's going to join me. I might have an assistant 801 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 1: coach join me, but we'll be breaking everything down when 802 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 1: the rookies finally joined the Vets. Thanks tell the truth. 803 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: The only reason I'm here this week is because somebody canceled. Okay, 804 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 1: I would never All right, we'll see you guys the 805 00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 1: next episode