Speaker 1: What do you call two guys that were there when
Speaker 1: this happened?
Speaker 2: Back to return at Spurlock. Michael Spurlock of the Chimok.
Speaker 3: He's still the twenty.
Speaker 1: He's of the twenty five. Parlo thirty to the forty
Speaker 1: yard line.
Speaker 3: We could see history fifty forty come a thirty yard light.
Speaker 2: Now Michael run, Michael Luck.
Speaker 3: Michael run, touchdown, Tampa Bay. There you go in that
Speaker 3: shot gun sends wee receivers left. Here's the staff of
Speaker 3: the glitzer has picked up. Brady Unity caught ball eups.
Speaker 2: He has the record at the eleven yard line.
Speaker 3: Mike Evins becomes the first NFL player in lead history
Speaker 3: to record them a thousand yards of more of this
Speaker 3: first seventh season.
Speaker 1: That you want to throw by Brady.
Speaker 3: Congratulations Mike Evens, who can forget looking gas?
Speaker 2: Close up the hats the other side.
Speaker 1: Derek Bucks thirty touchdown.
Speaker 2: Tampa Bay. Derek Books the.
Speaker 3: Most valuable player in the National Football League. There it
Speaker 3: is Dot Daggers in where are you gonna win the
Speaker 3: Super Bowl? Here's the snap.
Speaker 2: Mahomes running to his right. Lookout he may run Mahome
Speaker 2: director Now.
Speaker 3: Battle intercevent picked off with the INDs on Fox.
Speaker 1: I gotta beat the Chief.
Speaker 3: Where the chapters of the world and we still have
Speaker 3: I'm in a thirty three ago. Damn it, White, what
Speaker 3: a great second season. That's it for Casey Box. All
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl champs, they can't stop the plot.
Speaker 1: We call them the Salty Dogs. Welcome everybody to the
Speaker 1: Salty Dogs Podcast. I am Scott Smith and.
Speaker 2: I am Jeff Ryan.
Speaker 1: Where are the Salty Ducks? Yep, yep, yep, and uh,
Speaker 1: we're just off the top. You may have noticed we
Speaker 1: again this week don't have a player guest. We've had
Speaker 1: a different reason each time. You know, there was the hurricane,
Speaker 1: and there was the short week. Yeah, this time is
Speaker 1: because I'm sick. You are and uh.
Speaker 2: And I'm far far away.
Speaker 1: Here's you're distancing yourself as much as possible. I didn't
Speaker 1: want to stand near a player and risk getting somebody
Speaker 1: on the rooster sick.
Speaker 2: I th you didn't even sit down for lunch. You
Speaker 2: took your food and went upstairs, and you've been hiding
Speaker 2: in your office.
Speaker 1: I didn't go to open locker room. I just would
Speaker 1: hate to be somebody who is the reason that one
Speaker 1: of our players couldn't play.
Speaker 2: Maybe that guy.
Speaker 1: I'm still so I'm staying wait till I feel better.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, we hope you do feel better.
Speaker 1: But we will have fan questions at the end. Buccaneer
Speaker 1: fans listeners to this show, and if you want to
Speaker 1: get in on that, which is a real fun part
Speaker 1: of the show.
Speaker 2: I think, oh, you now think it's a fun part.
Speaker 1: I have always thought so.
Speaker 2: Even though we're getting massive ones coming in, we don't have.
Speaker 1: His quite as many this week, so I won't be
Speaker 1: doing any complaining part. You can email us at Salty
Speaker 1: Dogs at Buccaneers dot NFL dot com. Don't forget the
Speaker 1: dot NFL in the middle. It's kind of weird, but
Speaker 1: you got.
Speaker 2: To do it right.
Speaker 1: I'm really gonna need this golf button.
Speaker 2: Today, Joe, I know you're a lot.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, so send us questions or comments or complaints
Speaker 1: for Jeff probably yeah, more most likely uh corrections. If
Speaker 1: Jeff mess something.
Speaker 2: Up, you know it's going to happen. You just got
Speaker 2: to find it. We could almost have like a contest
Speaker 2: if you can discover where I do it?
Speaker 1: Uh? Is my voice? My voice is more interesting?
Speaker 2: Do you actually sound more manly?
Speaker 1: Yes? More manly? Well, what is that supposed to be
Speaker 1: and then my voice breaks.
Speaker 2: I know this is not going self explanatory. Okay, right,
Speaker 2: what do you got?
Speaker 1: Uh, well, you know, obviously we're gonna be talking about
Speaker 1: a game that did not go the Buccaneers' way in
Speaker 1: many many ways. It's either losing, uh in pretty convincing
Speaker 1: fashion to the Ravens, or losing Mike Evans injury, or
Speaker 1: losing Chris Godwin to injury would have been a very
Speaker 1: bad night.
Speaker 2: You could have won that game and it would have
Speaker 2: been a bad night.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So the fact that all three of those things
Speaker 1: happened means it was. It was the worst weekend of
Speaker 1: the year so far for the Buccaneers. Chris Godwin unfortunately
Speaker 1: is out for the season. Coach bowls led A left
Speaker 1: a very small window of the possibility he could return,
Speaker 1: Uh if we made a deep playoff run.
Speaker 2: When we go in deep into the playoffs, Yeah, kind.
Speaker 1: Of like Vita vah in the Super Bowl year.
Speaker 2: So uh, it's I get confused because they changed the
Speaker 2: rules all the time. So I'm gonna go take a
Speaker 2: step back. I are you can I are someone, But
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean they're out for the rest of the year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can designate them for a return, and then
Speaker 1: they have to miss a minimum of four games.
Speaker 2: Okay, So how many times? How many players a year
Speaker 2: can you that?
Speaker 1: I wish, I wish, I'm that I think it might
Speaker 1: be eight. Okay, So it's more than it's always more
Speaker 1: than enough.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So and one guy can't do it twice, all.
Speaker 2: Right, So Jamel Dean went on I R but he's
Speaker 2: on the four week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, minimally hopefully hopefully before with him.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: And then I mean you technically could do it with
Speaker 1: Chris too, but we already know he's not going to
Speaker 1: make it back.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: He had a badly dissocated ankle which caused some other
Speaker 1: damage that they discover when they did surgery. Did you
Speaker 1: see the footage of him being carted off and talking
Speaker 1: to Johnny y? Yeah, I see what he said.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he said, back to work, back to work, John,
Speaker 2: And and I spoke with John Tuesday Tuesday morning and
Speaker 2: brought that up that, you know, Mike saying that, I said,
Speaker 2: here you are, rather Chris saying it that here you
Speaker 2: are probably the worst feeling ever, and already you're talking
Speaker 2: about back to work. Chris. That's exactly what John said.
Speaker 2: John said, that is a type of individual Chris is.
Speaker 2: He can take it and go, Okay, I have an injury,
Speaker 2: what is my next step. He's already moved on from
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, I have an injury to back to work.
Speaker 2: We're going to rehab it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure there's emotions there, but he's
Speaker 1: able to do.
Speaker 2: Both and he has a great support system.
Speaker 1: And he's been through it so then kind of knows
Speaker 1: what it's going to take. And it's just a shame.
Speaker 1: I mean, this happens. It's not like Chris is the
Speaker 1: first guy that's something like this has happened to. But
Speaker 1: when it's closer to you, it just hit so hard
Speaker 1: because he came back from that knee injury.
Speaker 2: And he's been having a great year.
Speaker 1: He was good in his blood like two in the
Speaker 1: next two years, but this year he's back to like
Speaker 1: peak Chris Godwin twenty nineteen for him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if he would have stayed on pace, I think
Speaker 2: we did the math and it was over. Can we
Speaker 2: have over fifteen hundred yards? I think you're talking about that.
Speaker 1: They could have broken the team record, and he's got
Speaker 1: he probably almost certainly would have broken the team record
Speaker 1: for receptions because he has fifty, which leads the NFL
Speaker 1: through seven games.
Speaker 2: So he's and he was back playing the position that
Speaker 2: he had all of his success was a slot receiver,
Speaker 2: so it was.
Speaker 1: Just working so well. It was he was leading the
Speaker 1: league in yak yards after the catch, And that's why
Speaker 1: when they say things like next man up, and we
Speaker 1: have confidence in these young receivers who will be talking
Speaker 1: about it here in a little bit, Uh huh, it's
Speaker 1: all true, very but it's also true. Two things can
Speaker 1: be true. That it's there are certain players that give
Speaker 1: you something that there's nobody else on the roster can
Speaker 1: give you.
Speaker 2: That's true, So you're basically playing a different game.
Speaker 1: I mean like when Graham Barton missed a game, we
Speaker 1: had Robert Hainsey who had two years of starting experience.
Speaker 2: At that position and did very well in New Orleans.
Speaker 1: If Tyke Smith misses this week's game because he has
Speaker 1: a concussion in which he probably will in a short week.
Speaker 2: He was on the sideline during the walk through but
Speaker 2: not practicing, but not practicing.
Speaker 1: If he can't play, then he's that's our slot corner,
Speaker 1: but our slock corner from all of last year. Christian
Speaker 1: is is right there, So in some places you have
Speaker 1: a good one for one replacement. You know, if Antoin
Speaker 1: Winfield can't play, Christian iision did a nice job. Well,
Speaker 1: Winfield's out, but that's not the same kind of player, correct,
Speaker 1: But why if Vitavea couldn't play, we don't have another
Speaker 1: guy like that.
Speaker 2: But Christian had the opportunity to play last year to
Speaker 2: get up the speed. And I think that's what Trey
Speaker 2: Palmer example, last year, got to get in and play
Speaker 2: some when he was a rookie.
Speaker 1: Zi McCollum and look how well.
Speaker 2: Zion's playing now. So there's a downside, but there's also
Speaker 2: an upside.
Speaker 1: My point being, Chris Godwin and Mike Evans are knocked out,
Speaker 1: and yes, we have some other talented receivers and hopefully
Speaker 1: Liam Cohen and Baker Mayfield can make it work with
Speaker 1: those guys, but you don't have another Chris Godwin. No.
Speaker 2: And what gets taken away in my mind is like
Speaker 2: with Mike, you don't have the alley ball, right, You're
Speaker 2: not gonna You're not gonna just throw it and say
Speaker 2: Mike's gonna get it, because that's basically what you would do,
Speaker 2: so you don't have that particular play.
Speaker 1: And with Chris, but at least Mike's gonna be back
Speaker 1: right probably after the week eleve them by.
Speaker 2: And with Chris, if you needed the third down, he
Speaker 2: was there, he was getting it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a very good point.
Speaker 2: And so yeah, is it is it? Is it Kate
Speaker 2: Otten who came in and played very well at the
Speaker 2: end of the first hundred yard game last last Sunday
Speaker 2: or Monday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, I mean Mike was already out
Speaker 1: of that game, and so Baker needed somebody else.
Speaker 2: To throw to, and and and man Kate took some shots. Yes, yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm looking for the fines this this week. I'm just
Speaker 2: curious who gets fine for what since you made it
Speaker 2: common about well.
Speaker 1: From what I read, it seems quite possible that Rokwan
Speaker 1: Smith will be fine because there are people online showing
Speaker 1: that clip and saying this is a the textbook example
Speaker 1: of the now banned hip drop tackle.
Speaker 2: I will say this in real time, as we watched
Speaker 2: it and did the broadcast, we thought it was did you, Yeah,
Speaker 2: because if part of it is you, you know, you
Speaker 2: understand what what that play is. Now in real time,
Speaker 2: it's hard to really see. I mean, the officials aren't
Speaker 2: going to call something like the analysts there. It's it's
Speaker 2: just so so obvious. But just because there's not a
Speaker 2: flag on it doesn't mean oh, it didn't happen and
Speaker 2: you can't get fined.
Speaker 1: There has not been a single hip drop flag thrown
Speaker 1: yet this.
Speaker 2: Season, and I guess they're afraid to throw it. I know,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure why.
Speaker 1: The conjecture that I read and hear is that because
Speaker 1: there are like there's like four separate things that you
Speaker 1: have to see. You know, it has to be you
Speaker 1: have to do this, you have to unwait yourself, you
Speaker 1: have to land on the back, was like, right, and
Speaker 1: all all of those elements have to be in there
Speaker 1: for it to be a flag, and it's just really
Speaker 1: hard for the rest to see it. So they're not sure.
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm not sure he unweighted himself. For me,
Speaker 1: did he really land on his on the back? Was like,
Speaker 1: so they're not calling it. But when these things are reviewed,
Speaker 1: there have been something like twenty two Before this week,
Speaker 1: there was something like twenty two plays that were reviewed
Speaker 1: to see if they were hiptot tackles, and I think
Speaker 1: eight of nine of them were and so those players
Speaker 1: got fined.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think this one's gonna go that way.
Speaker 2: That's my opinion.
Speaker 1: Just I mean, it doesn't help anything. No, it doesn't
Speaker 1: bring Chris back.
Speaker 2: No, I was I was saying, if you get caught,
Speaker 2: I mean what maybe this is where ironic comes in.
Speaker 1: Oh, you better be careful because I'm.
Speaker 2: I okay, so I know, but you're not feeling well,
Speaker 2: so I might sneak.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, but you set me up. Who
Speaker 1: prepared me for it?
Speaker 2: When the NFL sent out what a hip tackle is.
Speaker 2: When they sent it out, they sent video out to
Speaker 2: educate people in the media of what it looks like
Speaker 2: and what to watch for. And the Ravens were part
Speaker 2: of that example of what that looks like. They used
Speaker 2: raven players. Yeah, real, irony, that's not what is that?
Speaker 1: Okay? For the million times irony irony deals, it is
Speaker 1: not about coincidence.
Speaker 2: It's about oh that's a coincidence. Quiet, It's a state.
Speaker 1: Irony is a state of affairs that is the reverse
Speaker 1: of what was to be expected. So the fact that
Speaker 1: they used a Ravens example of a hip drop tackle.
Speaker 2: Look, can't talk tackle drop tackle.
Speaker 1: And then a raven did. It is not unexpected. You have
Speaker 1: ever told you a great George Carlin explanation about it again.
Speaker 1: If a diabetic on his way to buy insulin is
Speaker 1: killed by a runaway truck, he is the victim of
Speaker 1: an accident.
Speaker 2: If it's a sugar wait, if the truck.
Speaker 1: Was delivering sugar, he is a victim of an oddly
Speaker 1: poet a coincidence, because sugar already was going is a
Speaker 1: problem for that guy, Okay, get it. So that's not
Speaker 1: ironic because sugar already is a problem. But if the
Speaker 1: truck was delivering insulin, ah of irony because you would
Speaker 1: expect the delivery of insulin to his pharmacy to help him,
Speaker 1: and it's dead. It kills him.
Speaker 2: That's good. I like it, Okay. But anyways, they are
Speaker 2: an example of that type of tackle, So that is
Speaker 2: illegal in the NFL.
Speaker 1: To get back to Chris Godwin, he was on pace
Speaker 1: for one hundred and twenty one catches this year. Our
Speaker 1: team record is one hundred and six and Chris got
Speaker 1: close already once in his career at one hundred and
Speaker 1: four in twenty twenty two, and probably would have got it.
Speaker 1: But remember that was the game. We were eight and
Speaker 1: eight and it we didn't need to beat Atlanta.
Speaker 2: Right, so we pulled all our starts at the end
Speaker 2: of the game.
Speaker 1: Or not at the end of the game. Well, like
Speaker 1: most of them didn't play in the second half, so
Speaker 1: he didn't play in the second half. He needed three
Speaker 1: more catches to break Keisha on Johnson.
Speaker 2: Sure, I hope he didn't have a clause.
Speaker 1: Clause Yeah, uh, probably not something as specific as that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he would.
Speaker 1: Have blown it out of the water. Probably this year.
Speaker 1: Do you remember that Keisha on you when he caught
Speaker 1: one hundred and six passes.
Speaker 2: I do, But he only had like one touchdown, that's correct. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I remember that, and.
Speaker 1: He was kind of he was kind of touchy about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was, well, he.
Speaker 1: Was salty about that. It is just saying he had
Speaker 1: eight touchdowns the year before and five the next.
Speaker 2: It was really fluky. But yeah, yeah, I got a
Speaker 2: lot of catches but only one touchdown. Don't think you
Speaker 2: get paid on that. Yeah, I think it's more important
Speaker 2: to have touchdowns. But that's just that's just me. What
Speaker 2: do I know.
Speaker 1: Well, one could say that his twelve hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: six receiving yards, probably set up other people for touchdowns.
Speaker 2: So that what would it would be the math of
Speaker 2: he had one hundred and six catches and one touchdown, So.
Speaker 1: That's one touchdown an every one hundred and six catches.
Speaker 2: Yes, so that would just be that. It wouldn't be
Speaker 2: any like, you can't do any other fancy math to it.
Speaker 1: You want to know what the percentage is?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I wanted, was the percentage? Thank you?
Speaker 2: You know, just out of curiosity.
Speaker 1: Point nine zero point nine percent of his.
Speaker 2: Case almost the same as mine.
Speaker 1: You're also under one. Yeah, just like Keishan. There you
Speaker 1: go in touchdowns, there you go. Let's see in whatever
Speaker 1: year that was two thousand and one, that was the
Speaker 1: first year that we had Simeon Rice. And the reason
Speaker 1: I'm saying is now, and of course getting off in
Speaker 1: a tangent, is did you see the news today?
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: So every year they start in like September with a
Speaker 1: preliminary group of candidates for the next Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: Oh you know what's funny about that? I just it's there,
Speaker 2: it is on my screen. I didn't I didn't open it.
Speaker 1: So this year there were more than usual because they've started.
Speaker 1: They they formed a new Modern era player Screening Committee,
Speaker 1: and I think it's so guys don't fall through the cracks,
Speaker 1: because we've talked before. Somebody has to nominate you to
Speaker 1: get you on that list. And we discovered some years
Speaker 1: ago We're like, why is Simeon never on that list?
Speaker 2: Huh?
Speaker 1: And then we as somebody called the Hall and said, well,
Speaker 1: nobody ever nominates him. So we nominated him and we
Speaker 1: did some you know, we did a push you through
Speaker 1: the media to try to get him, and we did
Speaker 1: get him to the semifinals one time, but then he
Speaker 1: slid back off. But that to me, him making it
Speaker 1: getting nominated and making it to the fifty, which was
Speaker 1: also voted by this new screening committee, is a really
Speaker 1: good sign. I'm not saying Simon has got a great
Speaker 1: chance to be in the Hall of Fame, but at
Speaker 1: least he's getting considered right. And to me, one of
Speaker 1: the things that tells you what a great player is
Speaker 1: is if he dominates the league in some category for
Speaker 1: a long stretch of time. And from nineteen ninety eight
Speaker 1: through two thousand and five, Simeon Rice had one hundred
Speaker 1: and one point five sacks, which was the most in
Speaker 1: the NFL, more than Michael Strahan, more than Jason Taylor.
Speaker 1: Both were in the Hall of Fame more than Kevin Carter,
Speaker 1: well a lot more so. Only Strayhan and Taylor were
Speaker 1: kind of close. One hundred one point five sacks in
Speaker 1: an eight game stretch. He finished with one hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty two in his career. So I don't know. We'll
Speaker 1: we'll if he gets we'll probably dig up the stuff
Speaker 1: we used to use and put it out there again
Speaker 1: if he makes it to the next level, which would
Speaker 1: be twenty five next month.
Speaker 2: Ruben Brown played for US.
Speaker 1: Didn't know Lomas Brown.
Speaker 2: Lomas Brown, okay.
Speaker 1: Lomas Brown, and Logan Makings, who were briefly with US,
Speaker 1: are also on the list.
Speaker 2: Logan Makings, there.
Speaker 1: Was no work done. There was no Mike hal style.
Speaker 2: And because of Ronde, not because of Ron Day. I'm
Speaker 2: mentioning this because of Ron Day. Tiki. Tiki's on on
Speaker 2: the on there for running backs, not not because.
Speaker 1: Randy very much believes Tiki should be in the all.
Speaker 2: Of Oh no, yes, but he's got some good argument right.
Speaker 2: Not just being a twin, yes, wow, that would really
Speaker 2: be something special. Not only twins.
Speaker 1: I gotta believe that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not only being brothers in the Hall of Fame twins.
Speaker 1: There's got to be no other set of twins in
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: I feel comfortable saying, well, I'm gonna find out.
Speaker 1: Hey, there's another green sports car and it's not the
Speaker 1: same one. What is that all the green sports That
Speaker 1: car is black?
Speaker 2: What are you talking about?
Speaker 1: The one directly that's facing us, parked in backwards?
Speaker 2: Oh, that's uh, that looks like a charger, or rather
Speaker 2: a Challenger. That looks like a new Challenger with big tires.
Speaker 2: It does very large tires. We're overlooking the player parking lot,
Speaker 2: not the employee park.
Speaker 1: And that's not the same green car because Heavier's car
Speaker 1: is a lot brighter than that one's like neon green
Speaker 1: is all the green.
Speaker 2: That green's more like a forest green.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you might see. It's not camouflage, but like
Speaker 1: you might see mixed in the camouflage. I have I
Speaker 1: have something to say about people who always back into
Speaker 1: parking spots. I do you always back in?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Why, it's just easier to just slide in back out.
Speaker 2: I do it because the way the sun goes and
Speaker 2: so it's not beating on my front windshield on my
Speaker 2: truck so much.
Speaker 1: Just get one of those screens.
Speaker 2: I have one.
Speaker 1: Well, then you don't need to do.
Speaker 2: But the majority of the sun is behind my truck
Speaker 2: in the parking lot that I sit in.
Speaker 1: So here's my argument here. There are times when backing
Speaker 1: in makes sense, Like maybe you're in a really crowded
Speaker 1: concert and you know that there's going to be a
Speaker 1: lot of traffic just trying to get out of your
Speaker 1: parking spot, so you'll be at advantage if you can
Speaker 1: pull straight out, or if you have a truck that
Speaker 1: overhangs the back of the you know, the curb, so
Speaker 1: if you weren't parked that way, you would stick out
Speaker 1: a lot farther. That kind of thing. But parking backing
Speaker 1: into your parking spot every single time doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: You're gonna one way or another or the other. You're
Speaker 1: gonna have to pull in. You have to pull in
Speaker 1: straight or once and back out once. If I pull
Speaker 1: in straight, then I'm gonna have to back out. If
Speaker 1: you back in now, you're backing in and then you
Speaker 1: can pull out straight either way, you're backing in once.
Speaker 1: You're backing in or out once and pulling in or
Speaker 1: out once I understand it's harder when you're backing into
Speaker 1: a parking spot. You're trying to get in between those
Speaker 1: two lines right there. When you're backing out of a
Speaker 1: parking spot, you got all time. Oh that green cars leaving,
Speaker 1: You've got all kinds of time to move, I mean
Speaker 1: all kinds of room to back out into it. It's
Speaker 1: a lot harder to back into the parking spot than
Speaker 1: to back out of it. Okay, so there's no reason
Speaker 1: for you to back in every time.
Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of us and I look out
Speaker 2: in this parking lot that back in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they haven't thought it through. Wow, all right,
Speaker 1: email us if you have an opinion on this, like
Speaker 1: I my I don't use my turn signal. Opinion was
Speaker 1: not very popular.
Speaker 2: Well know it wouldn't be. And I don't think whether
Speaker 2: you back in or not back in, it's not gonna
Speaker 2: be very popular.
Speaker 1: You don't think so, no, somebody else. If you agree
Speaker 1: with me, please email us if.
Speaker 2: You if if it takes you forever to try to
Speaker 2: back in, then I say, hey, you know what, Oh
Speaker 2: so you're just really good at it. You're just I'm
Speaker 2: very good at it. I drive better backwards than I
Speaker 2: do forward.
Speaker 1: That's not a good thing. And I can parallel park.
Speaker 1: I'm a great parallel I can parallel.
Speaker 2: Park left if if I'm in a one way on
Speaker 2: the left hand side, I can do it that way
Speaker 2: or right. Yes, I can too. I'm very good at that,
Speaker 2: me too. One try put it in everything.
Speaker 1: You don't have to go back and forth. You just
Speaker 1: slide it in and you're there.
Speaker 2: Back up until you're even with the rear of that
Speaker 2: other car. Have your wheel cocked all the way and
Speaker 2: as you go, slide it back and boom you're there.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: Don't overthink it, all right.
Speaker 1: So I had a very unenjoyable experience in my car
Speaker 1: on Monday night, which you are aware of.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you spent quality time.
Speaker 1: Who knows here? Who listening knows? The layout of where
Speaker 1: are where? The advent Hell Training Center is our facility
Speaker 1: that we're in right.
Speaker 2: Now, Raymond James Stow.
Speaker 1: It's like a mile away.
Speaker 2: I don't even think it's a.
Speaker 1: Mile there, and it's just crossing some parking lots. I
Speaker 1: have to. So I was supposed to be on the
Speaker 1: radio for Jeff at six o'clock and I left here
Speaker 1: right here at five to ten yep, and I had
Speaker 1: to sprint through the press box just to make it
Speaker 1: with like a minute to spare. And we didn't actually
Speaker 1: go at six. It was more like six oh three.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I had text them and said keep talking until
Speaker 2: I tell what I tell you when Scott gets there.
Speaker 1: So that's incredible. It took me fifty minutes to drive
Speaker 1: less than a mile.
Speaker 2: However, I will say this guy, it's Monday night football
Speaker 2: traffic is That's why.
Speaker 1: I thought leaving it five. I wouldn't. I would normally
Speaker 1: left it five.
Speaker 2: There have you ever left here at five o'clock on
Speaker 2: a I don't ever leave here at four o'clock at
Speaker 2: five o'clock. Look out your window and watch how backed.
Speaker 1: Up the rest reason I don't do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's why on Bunday when you did it,
Speaker 2: it's even worse because we have a Monday night game.
Speaker 1: I still thought fifty minutes was enough time. I couldn't
Speaker 1: believe it. Part of the problem was I got stuck.
Speaker 1: The Ravens buses were being escorted by the police, so.
Speaker 2: We missed several When the team does that.
Speaker 1: We missed several cycles and there are long, long cycles
Speaker 1: at that intersection. It's turned to the stadium.
Speaker 2: It's not fun when you're getting held up because team
Speaker 2: buses go unless you're on the team bus.
Speaker 1: Even then it's not fun. Well, I think the bus
Speaker 1: rides are the worst part of travel. I've felt that
Speaker 1: way since ninety two.
Speaker 2: Yes, I agree.
Speaker 1: I wish you could get rid of that. And we
Speaker 1: have a little bit remember we used to well, of
Speaker 1: course remember if you don't know out there. For many
Speaker 1: years we parked here whatever reacting, and then buses took
Speaker 1: us to the airport. Now we park at the private
Speaker 1: airport yep, right on the tarm right on the tar,
Speaker 1: so when we get home, you don't have to ride
Speaker 1: the bus.
Speaker 2: And it's very I think we should have a a
Speaker 2: video of departure out of the off the tarmac after
Speaker 2: a game. It's very exciting how many cars are trying
Speaker 2: to inch their way in and out because you're stacked
Speaker 2: up against each other. So all right, so what else
Speaker 2: you get about this Monday game? Well, you know I
Speaker 2: started good, It started really fourteen.
Speaker 1: And fourteen and nothing what happened? What did we not
Speaker 1: succeed on?
Speaker 2: We got a holding penalty on a guy that holds
Speaker 2: all the time, that would be Tristan.
Speaker 1: Did you see that replay? We can't criticize officials, No,
Speaker 1: but that was If you're at home and you saw
Speaker 1: the replay, you're probably saying a few choice words.
Speaker 2: I think the last holding call was like seventeen hundred
Speaker 2: snaps ago in twenty twenty two was his last holding call.
Speaker 1: I'm not a referee, so I'm probably wrong, but it
Speaker 1: didn't look like old. So that erased to Chris Godwin touchdown.
Speaker 1: And then uh, then we didn't. Then we had to
Speaker 1: pick in the end zone where you probably would have
Speaker 1: scored at least three points.
Speaker 2: On that well heard, Yeah, we heard about that as
Speaker 2: you well, did you lose your train?
Speaker 1: Thought?
Speaker 2: Well, I was trying to remember it. The one we
Speaker 2: had to pick in the end zone, uh, where we
Speaker 2: were on the three yard line then, and Baker had
Speaker 2: all the time in the world. It was a scrambler
Speaker 2: and he was waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, and he
Speaker 2: decided to throw And even Baker said after the game
Speaker 2: on Bucks radio that he should have he should have
Speaker 2: thrown it away. He needs to know. And as Dave
Speaker 2: Dave Moore put it, he said you got to know
Speaker 2: when the journey's over with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean he always owns up to when
Speaker 1: he thinks it's an interception is a bad play.
Speaker 2: And not only did you lose the seven, but you
Speaker 2: also lost the three. There are potential three so that but.
Speaker 1: It started so good. We for the fourth game in
Speaker 1: a row.
Speaker 2: Yes, scored, scored a touchdown, touchdown on the first possession,
Speaker 2: I know. And what I love about it is that
Speaker 2: the Ravens won the toss and gave us the first possession,
Speaker 2: and we just marched right down. So that's always good.
Speaker 1: I thought we won the toss.
Speaker 2: No, they did check.
Speaker 1: You know how you like to say you were just
Speaker 1: saying a little bit while ago. You know, you can
Speaker 1: probably pinpoint the part where I was wrong.
Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead, you check, you check and look up
Speaker 2: on the sheet and you'll see we lost the toss.
Speaker 1: Allow me to do a little light reading from the
Speaker 1: play by play. Okay, first quarter, very first entry, Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay wins toss. Oh darn alecs to receive and Baltimore
Speaker 1: alects to defend the north. So there you have it. Folks,
Speaker 1: didn't wait that long. It was it the other game
Speaker 1: was it was the other game. Oh okay, yeah, that
Speaker 1: other game. Yeah, no, we've We've had both situations happen
Speaker 1: because we have decided we want the ball first this year,
Speaker 1: so when the other team, I think the majority of
Speaker 1: teams still do the defer thing. Yeah, so I think
Speaker 1: we're going to have the ball to start the game.
Speaker 2: I was thinking that anyway, we.
Speaker 1: Had gone twenty straight games without scoring a touchdown on
Speaker 1: our first drive.
Speaker 2: And they have now done it four games in a row,
Speaker 2: which is pretty remarkable.
Speaker 1: Thank you for finishing that thought for me. I was.
Speaker 2: Dying over there in my throat. Take a deep breath.
Speaker 2: Just relax, don't do anything crazy, you know, I don't
Speaker 2: want to lose you in my office?
Speaker 1: Is okay?
Speaker 2: You feel better?
Speaker 1: Not really?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: So I feel you know who? I feel bad for, Jeff.
Speaker 1: I think I just gave it away. I feel bad
Speaker 1: for my wife. And this is not a brag. It's
Speaker 1: it's a it's a thing I'm happy about. I'm lucky.
Speaker 1: I'm just lucky. I virtually never get sick. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: Giselle and my son Alex gets sick the normal amount
Speaker 1: of times, so I him never of any help when
Speaker 1: they're sick because I don't know what to do, and
Speaker 1: when I get sick, I'm not very good at it.
Speaker 1: Other than COVID. I don't think I've been had a
Speaker 1: cold in like seven eight years. So I feel bad
Speaker 1: for her that she has to deal with me.
Speaker 2: I wholeheartedly agree with you on that. I could not
Speaker 2: agree with you more. She is a saint. She had
Speaker 2: that on that aspect.
Speaker 1: She's a saint in a lot of aspects.
Speaker 2: Well, there you go. I like to hear that. So
Speaker 2: what else you got?
Speaker 1: So so the game starts, we get a gift, we
Speaker 1: get the first great first drive, right, Mike Evans scores
Speaker 1: is one hundred touchdown. How excited to become the eleventh
Speaker 1: player in NFL history to do that. He's also now
Speaker 1: just the tenth guy with over twelve thousand yards receiving
Speaker 1: yards and one hundred touchdown catches. Everybody else is in
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. Essentially he should be too. Oh
Speaker 1: he will be, there's no question anymore. But I do
Speaker 1: wonder if this absence is going to cause him to
Speaker 1: miss his thousand.
Speaker 2: Yards unless some big games. If he yeah, if he
Speaker 2: comes back, let's say, fortunately, the best case you could
Speaker 2: hope for is after the bye week, he has eight
Speaker 2: games he would have to do. No, he would have
Speaker 2: seven games left after the buye, so he would have
Speaker 2: to do at least what one hundred and some he's got.
Speaker 1: He's got three d and thirty five.
Speaker 2: So yeah, close to one hundred per game, which is
Speaker 2: not not likely. Yeah, it's not likely. It's not undoable.
Speaker 1: You know, he has to be a couple of big ones.
Speaker 2: He got to hit. Yeah, he's got to hit a
Speaker 2: couple of yacks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because there's always that game or two here there
Speaker 1: where the other team decides, well, we're just not gonna
Speaker 1: let Mike Evins beat us, and Baker has to go
Speaker 1: elsewhere with the Paul right. So unfortunately that streak is
Speaker 1: is a very big jeopardy because of this injury. Of course,
Speaker 1: well you know what the mic and the players care
Speaker 1: about is winning. Of course, not that, but it would
Speaker 1: have been nice to have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's not over with yet, so we keep pressed.
Speaker 1: Yes, we'll be rooting for him, and then and then
Speaker 1: and then they get the ball and we get him
Speaker 1: off the field quickly. And Samar Jackson had been sex
Speaker 1: seven times in the first six games, and then we
Speaker 1: got him two plays in a row on the first drive,
Speaker 1: and I wrote that down at the time, thinking this
Speaker 1: is great. Yeah, but then we never got any more. No,
Speaker 1: that guy is just so hard to catch, even when
Speaker 1: you get a good.
Speaker 2: Ruk get it, even if he's in your gasp before he's.
Speaker 1: Near you, Right, you got a free run at him,
Speaker 1: and then where do you go?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And then unfortunately, from that point on it was
Speaker 2: not pleasant.
Speaker 1: Now there was a lot of yeah, yeah, we had
Speaker 1: a difficult unstopping them, much as we did against Atlanta.
Speaker 2: If I'm not mistaken, and if I am, you'll correct me.
Speaker 2: They went twenty seven straight unanswered points, so they did,
Speaker 2: I believe so, so that got a little scary.
Speaker 1: Well, actually it may have been thirty four unanswered points,
Speaker 1: was it? I remember to be in twenty seven?
Speaker 2: Well, at one point I didn't even want to look
Speaker 2: at it because it became very, very frustrating that the
Speaker 2: opportunities were there. Also, the big runs that Baltimore had,
Speaker 2: it was just so close on a tackle. It's like
Speaker 2: if you if you know, but that's the difference. They
Speaker 2: are a phenomenal running team. However, you thought the way
Speaker 2: the game started that Okay, this is going to be
Speaker 2: good the defense is there, and then it wasn't there.
Speaker 2: And Todd talked about that today too, about what the
Speaker 2: defense needs to do to shore things up.
Speaker 1: You know, we talked about it before the game. Baltimore
Speaker 1: came into that game with a ridiculous fifty eight yards.
Speaker 1: They gave up a game fifty nine. They had a
Speaker 1: ridiculous rushing advantage of one hundred and forty six point
Speaker 1: three yards per game because they were averaging like two
Speaker 1: hundred and five, damn.
Speaker 2: It, and we stopped them. I can tell you that
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 1: And in the things seem to be going well in
Speaker 1: the first half. In fact, at the end of the
Speaker 1: first half, we had an eighty five sixty nine advantage
Speaker 1: in rushing yards, which seemed like an awfully great thing.
Speaker 2: Right, And we also had time of possession. We were
Speaker 2: at eighteen minutes and twenty four seconds and they were
Speaker 2: at eleven thirty six.
Speaker 1: Well, we did end up with a real good by
Speaker 1: the end of the game time of possession. But that
Speaker 1: has something to do with it. I scoring quickly.
Speaker 2: You know, if only football was like three quarters and
Speaker 2: it went one, three four, we.
Speaker 1: Would be really really good. Second quarter.
Speaker 2: The second quarter is killing us. I don't understand why.
Speaker 1: But if we did that, then everybody would know that
Speaker 1: the third quarter is really the second quarter.
Speaker 2: Well is that like the fourteenth floor is really the
Speaker 2: thirteenth floor?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: They just checking?
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean we were doing a good job,
Speaker 1: but that's you know it, when they get eighty one
Speaker 1: and thirty nine yard runs, that's going to change the stats.
Speaker 2: In our Yah, we scored ten in the first, they
Speaker 2: score seventeen in the second. We score zero in the second, which, yeah,
Speaker 2: we were.
Speaker 1: Up ten to zero at one point and we were
Speaker 1: down thirty four ten. So they did score thirty four
Speaker 1: straight points and then we kind of got back into
Speaker 1: it a little bit. Yeah, why and that and that? Okay,
Speaker 1: So that leads to the big probably the biggest discussion
Speaker 1: we have.
Speaker 2: All Right, all right, I have to I have to
Speaker 2: take a deep breath.
Speaker 1: You know where I'm going with this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's why I have to take a deep
Speaker 2: breath so I don't say something that's really gonna upset
Speaker 2: a lot of people. So I'm just.
Speaker 1: Gonna take a deep breath. You know what. I've seen
Speaker 1: message boards, and we've been doing press conferences. I've seen tweets, Twitter, conversations.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people. There's a lot of people
Speaker 1: who are on the side that you and I are
Speaker 1: going to come down on here on the stasion. I
Speaker 1: bet most of the people listening know exactly what I'm
Speaker 1: about to talk about. Chris Godwin got hurt on the
Speaker 1: last drive of the game, and at the time, there
Speaker 1: was what like a minute and a half left something
Speaker 1: like that, and the Buccaneers were down by ten. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was, let's see, there was. There was one minute
Speaker 1: left when that play started. The Bucks were down by ten.
Speaker 1: And immediately at the press conference afterward, and then there's
Speaker 1: some other venues, Todd Bowles took some heat by people
Speaker 1: who thought that Chris Godwin shouldn't have been in the game,
Speaker 1: which is an awfully nice bit of hindsight. Right then,
Speaker 1: there was a lot of backlash to that concept from
Speaker 1: a lot of local media like Dan Patrick or his show,
Speaker 1: people like that.
Speaker 2: The national media went, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: This is the same coach who last year in the
Speaker 1: Detroit playoff game was ripped by our media for not
Speaker 1: calling the third time out after Baker's interception when the
Speaker 1: Lions are kneeling it out, we only have one time
Speaker 1: out left, and they were already in field goal range
Speaker 1: because the interception was deep in our endo the field.
Speaker 1: So the best case scenario, if you use that time out,
Speaker 1: as they still have two other plays to run off
Speaker 1: most of the clock, you might get the ball back
Speaker 1: with ten seconds left and you're probably down by ten points.
Speaker 1: But he should have kept trying because you never know,
Speaker 1: right then, why is he getting ripped for still trying
Speaker 1: down ten points with a minute left? We had already
Speaker 1: successfully covered an on side kick if you can score quickly, like,
Speaker 1: let's say we get a nice let's say instead of
Speaker 1: being tackled, perhaps illegally, Chris Godwin breaks that one out
Speaker 1: and gets down to like the thirty five. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: could just go ahead and kick the field goal.
Speaker 2: Right, then right, and then try it.
Speaker 1: And then down by seven, then try an onside kick
Speaker 1: and if you get it, yeah, at the least he'll
Speaker 1: have a hell merry or two. Right, It's it's almost
Speaker 1: certainly not gonna happen. No, just like nothing was going
Speaker 1: to happen if Todd calls that last time out in Detroit.
Speaker 2: And you didn't think anything was going to happen on
Speaker 2: the on sidekick when you tell everybody, hey, we're going
Speaker 2: to do an on side kick, and there he goes, Hey,
Speaker 2: here's the on side kick, and then we get the
Speaker 2: ball back.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I'm just saying, if you know, in that situation,
Speaker 1: you play that game one hundred times, you probably don't
Speaker 1: win any of them.
Speaker 2: Maybe one I can I understand that fodder. The one
Speaker 2: one that got me was the question of basically, don't
Speaker 2: you have an obligation to protect your players? That I
Speaker 2: thought was out of line. And and why I say
Speaker 2: that is unfortunately, in the NFL you can get hurt
Speaker 2: on the first play of the game or the last
Speaker 2: play of the game. And to phrase it that way,
Speaker 2: I don't understand the thought processes rather than hey look
Speaker 2: at me.
Speaker 1: The Buccaneers and other teams in the NFL know that
Speaker 1: football is a rough sport.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: It leads to a lot of injuries, and they do
Speaker 1: their best in many ways to try to protect their players.
Speaker 1: You know, we have all kinds of training staff and
Speaker 1: strength staff. We have equipment people. They're always trying to
Speaker 1: NFL is always trying to come up with new ways
Speaker 1: to make the equipment, make things safer, like guardian caps.
Speaker 1: If you choose to wear one, right, but you can't
Speaker 1: you protect them. It's like when you send your kid
Speaker 1: off to college. You can give them all the advice
Speaker 1: in the world and hope he fouls it. When you're
Speaker 1: hoping for the package, you can make one mistake.
Speaker 2: And the thing is is that if it was a
Speaker 2: game time eyeing drive and you get hurt, the person
Speaker 2: is still hurt, right, And and that's where I'm you know,
Speaker 2: the person is still hurt, doesn't matter what the score was,
Speaker 2: and you can say, wow, you shouldn't be in there.
Speaker 2: Well that's the problem. It's not the problem, but that's
Speaker 2: the NFL. Every player knows when they go out. But
Speaker 2: if you play scared, you're gonna get hurt, as they
Speaker 2: always say. But I I don't if it's so frustrating me.
Speaker 2: I got so much more I want to say, but
Speaker 2: I'm not going to it. So I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 2: contain myself. I promise myself that I don't. I just
Speaker 2: think it was an I personally don't believe it was
Speaker 2: a legitimate question. I think it was a hey, look
Speaker 2: at me question.
Speaker 1: Well, the first question was fine because it is a
Speaker 1: it's a legitimate thing that people are thinking about, yeah
Speaker 1: we should you right, great player gets hurt in a
Speaker 1: in a situation where you were you were probably weren't
Speaker 1: going to win, but maybe but probably not. It's fine
Speaker 1: to ask the coach did you think about pulling christ Godwin?
Speaker 1: And then you let him say his piece, explain why
Speaker 1: he did not, and there you go, whatever it is,
Speaker 1: you have your story.
Speaker 2: I thought that I'm one hundred nothing wrong with.
Speaker 1: Asking that question. No, but but I disagree with the
Speaker 1: premise that it was wrong, and you disagree with some
Speaker 1: of the way the phallops were worded.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's fine.
Speaker 2: I'm just the obligation of aren't you supposed to protect
Speaker 2: your players? I just that to me, was you know
Speaker 2: you could have you could have got the same result
Speaker 2: by as you just said, and did you think about
Speaker 2: pulling your starters at that point in the game.
Speaker 1: That's pretty much how the first question was it was
Speaker 1: perfectly fine?
Speaker 2: Or why didn't you?
Speaker 1: Todd gave his reason, right, I mean, you're trying to
Speaker 1: win the game. Don't we want to win? Don't we
Speaker 1: want our coaches trying to win the game until it
Speaker 1: can't be won.
Speaker 2: It's an unfortunate it's whenever a player gets hurt, it's
Speaker 2: it sucks, it's and.
Speaker 1: Especially once the guy that's having such a great year
Speaker 1: has already been through this once doesn't deserve this. Clearly
Speaker 1: hurts your team a lot. And he's such a great dude,
Speaker 1: right right, So you hate you hate to see I mean,
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of guys on this team that
Speaker 1: aren't great guys. Well.
Speaker 2: And the other side of the coin too, is that
Speaker 2: you know when they were talking about you know, I
Speaker 2: saw things about with Mike, you know, while they rushed
Speaker 2: him back. Which what people don't really fully understand is
Speaker 2: a player has a say in whether they can go
Speaker 2: or not. You know, the training staff worries about whether
Speaker 2: a guy could go or not.
Speaker 1: My understanding is it may not may not have been
Speaker 1: a your usual hamstring.
Speaker 2: And always upward strain, yes, correct, it.
Speaker 1: Was more like a contusion or something. So he wasn't
Speaker 1: by playing on the injury.
Speaker 2: He wasn't He wasn't furthering damage.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, obviously it could be aggravated because he did,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't like you brought back from a hamstring
Speaker 1: injury a week too soon. It really wasn't that type
Speaker 1: of hamstring.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is confusing. I understand that, sure, but at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, it was sad to lose Chris,
Speaker 2: and I think that's what hurt the most, is that.
Speaker 2: But I just don't like, you know, the organization in
Speaker 2: all football is designed, as you said, to protect the.
Speaker 1: Players as much as you can, right right, right.
Speaker 2: So first play, last play.
Speaker 1: It's just like you're trying to I don't like to
Speaker 1: make war knowledgies when it comes to foot.
Speaker 2: No, I don't either.
Speaker 1: But if you're if you're going into battle, you try
Speaker 1: to give your soldiers whatever it helps to protect them, correct,
Speaker 1: But you know what could happen.
Speaker 2: Right, yes, and all of that that is that is.
Speaker 1: We don't normally we're doing this on Wednesday, Yeah, because
Speaker 1: of the weird schedule after a.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're doing the same thing I am. I just
Speaker 2: saw the injury, right, well, I have to tweet it out.
Speaker 1: Oh, normally I wouldn't be doing that.
Speaker 2: Well, I can't even say what it is. Yeah, go ahead,
Speaker 2: pain durham or tight end. He did not practice. My
Speaker 2: Evans hamstring did not practice. William Goldston knee limited, Bucky
Speaker 2: Irving toe did not That's the one that's going to
Speaker 2: catch ye. Rakeeem Jarrett wide receiver knee. He full practice,
Speaker 2: which is good news. Ty Key Smith concussion, did not practice.
Speaker 1: Now, the Buccaneers actually held a walk through today, which
Speaker 1: is a common thing to do on a short week.
Speaker 1: And but so those are estimations. Had the Bucks full
Speaker 1: speed practice, it'd be different. These guys would not have practiced.
Speaker 2: So but it is Wednesday, it's early. They did play
Speaker 2: a Monday night game, so they're only two days removed.
Speaker 2: So that's also the other aspect of of injuries. You
Speaker 2: can't really you have to kind of. I think Friday
Speaker 2: is the big day that I look at.
Speaker 1: That's well, of course that's one where you get the
Speaker 1: out and all that, right.
Speaker 2: So that is all coming together. And for Atlanta, tell
Speaker 2: me who didn't practice again, who did not practice? Pain
Speaker 2: Durham did not practice, Mike Evans did not practice, Bucky
Speaker 2: Irving did not practice, and Tyger Keith Smith did not practice.
Speaker 2: There you go, tweet scent, look at you double dirt,
Speaker 2: Yeah asking here, yeah, getting it done, making it great.
Speaker 2: So but I also thought it was interesting that the
Speaker 2: national media jumped on it of saying, what are you
Speaker 2: guys talking about? Which was which usually with the national media,
Speaker 2: they take the the I don't want to say the lead,
Speaker 2: but they kind of follow what the local media saying
Speaker 2: because the local media is here, what yeah, and so
Speaker 2: they kind of look at it that way. But on
Speaker 2: Monday on the Dan Patrick Show, he jumped all over that,
Speaker 2: and on Sirius XM on the NFL channel, they were
Speaker 2: jumping all over it.
Speaker 1: You know, I know you didn't like the way a
Speaker 1: couple of those questions were worded, But in terms of
Speaker 1: the issue in general, it's perfectly fine for yes, there
Speaker 1: to be disagreeing minds here. I'm just sharing my opinion
Speaker 1: that it was reasonable for them to still be trying
Speaker 1: to win the game even though it was a very
Speaker 1: small percentage that it would happen.
Speaker 2: I think it's the protection, don't you have?
Speaker 1: And yeah, that was also Mike Evans is already out
Speaker 1: of the game. I'm sure there was some times we
Speaker 1: were running four wides there we only had four wives.
Speaker 1: We just didn't have a lot of.
Speaker 2: Receivers left right right because.
Speaker 1: Cam Johnson was one I are, so we only had
Speaker 1: five receivers to start the game, and then one of
Speaker 1: them went down in the first half. So you don't
Speaker 1: have a lot of options at that point.
Speaker 2: Right, I just I just think that with I guess
Speaker 2: after a game, maybe maybe maybe my irritation is this.
Speaker 2: I don't like it when it becomes personal. I don't
Speaker 2: like you know, when the I can question was did
Speaker 2: you ever think think about pulling him out? Like you
Speaker 2: said those type of things. I'm not I'm not making
Speaker 2: it personal. But when you say do you have an
Speaker 2: obligation to protect your players or something like that, that's
Speaker 2: now a personal thing.
Speaker 1: Well, to play Devil's Advocate, A person could say, I
Speaker 1: don't think that was a personal question. It was just
Speaker 1: a follow up, straightforward question.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I know you would disagree with that, and I don't
Speaker 1: know how I feel.
Speaker 2: But right.
Speaker 1: In any case, but that's it's perfectly fine for us
Speaker 1: to disagree. Yes, And that's what my opinion is. As
Speaker 1: I have just said, it was perfectly reasonable for Crystill
Speaker 1: to be in the game, and it would have been
Speaker 1: fine if he'd pulled him out too. I would have
Speaker 1: been whatever the coach thinks is best in that situation.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 2: So and here's and here's the good part. We have
Speaker 2: had a discussion and we are not yelling at each other.
Speaker 2: So look at that, look at us. We're making improvements
Speaker 2: and maybe the way things are done that you can
Speaker 2: have a discussion and you don't have to yell and
Speaker 2: scream and you can say, wow, this is my view
Speaker 2: of it, and this is mine.
Speaker 1: And that's we're getting to see who that's what cars.
Speaker 2: Because later, yeah, who's that at the back well all
Speaker 2: the way away? Yeah? Oh yeah he's that's a that's
Speaker 2: an older jeep suv.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's definitely an offensive lineman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I think it is. I think it is Graham.
Speaker 1: So he didn't go out and sports and then buy
Speaker 1: an As far as car, No, he's a Midwestern guy.
Speaker 2: He's you know, is he? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Where's he from?
Speaker 2: I think he's from Michigan.
Speaker 1: Because Duke is not exactly Midwestern.
Speaker 2: No, he's either from Michigan or Wisconsin. But he did
Speaker 2: go to Duke. But I want to say it looks
Speaker 2: like a Wisconsin guy. Yeah, but I think it's I
Speaker 2: want I don't know why. I think it's watch. It'll
Speaker 2: probably be Iowa, you know, something like that. But no,
Speaker 2: Midwest Tennessee, Tennessee. Oh, that's right, he's from now he
Speaker 2: Nashville outside of Brentwood, outside of Nashville. That's right there,
Speaker 2: you go that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he picked Duke over Michigan State.
Speaker 2: That's because he mind. Yeah, it's because what I think
Speaker 2: he because he just felt like he was going to
Speaker 2: be able to play more there. I think that was him. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and that's him.
Speaker 1: How about that is that it was very modest vehicle
Speaker 1: for a NFL player.
Speaker 2: Yeah, considering I own one of those. Yeah, for you,
Speaker 2: it's it's luxury, luxury, yes.
Speaker 1: But how about that the Zion McCollum fumble recovery where
Speaker 1: it looked like it was a touchdown. Oh wow, I
Speaker 1: understand the ruling, like he got somebody touched him briefly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, his he almost got up in time, but he didn't.
Speaker 1: But you know, you've seen the plays where there's a
Speaker 1: big mass people in the he's not going down and
Speaker 1: they managed to push him into the inen zone. But
Speaker 1: this one was like from thirty yards. Yeah, that that
Speaker 1: big scrum of people was pushed like thirty yards. Right, Well,
Speaker 1: it didn't count, but it was pretty cool. Well you
Speaker 1: said it was pushed like.
Speaker 2: Casey was talking to Todd Bowles during his radio show
Speaker 2: and she was talking about how how strong. The zion was,
Speaker 2: you know, motoring down and coach said, I think it
Speaker 2: was those guys pushing behind him that was moving there.
Speaker 2: It was quite a bit, which is which is pretty good.
Speaker 2: But at least he had presence of mind to jump
Speaker 2: back up and go.
Speaker 1: So been a heat touchdown, I wish you would have stood.
Speaker 1: I don't think it really would have changed. I think
Speaker 1: we scored on that drave we did, so we did.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't really have changed the complexion of the game probably,
Speaker 1: but still pretty cool. But you know, I have a
Speaker 1: hot take here.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: So we were home on Sunday, we were able to
Speaker 1: watch games were and there was the game in Munich
Speaker 1: and they did the whole was.
Speaker 2: Much well, I don't know where it was. Was it
Speaker 2: London maybe?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was London because we were talking
Speaker 1: about the next week because it was the Jacks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they did the country roads thing. I think at
Speaker 1: the end of the third quarter. It's a tradition. H
Speaker 1: just cool. It was neat when we were there. I'm
Speaker 1: over it, bro, I'm so over it. Not the fact
Speaker 1: that they do it. I mean, if you have a
Speaker 1: cool tradition and the fans love it, you know.
Speaker 2: Great, they sing that song at soccer games over.
Speaker 1: There, But it's the announcers. Every time it happens, they
Speaker 1: lose their minds like it's something We've seen it now
Speaker 1: for years. We get it. They sing country roads. It's
Speaker 1: a cool tradition. You don't have to act like this
Speaker 1: is some incredible thing you've never witnessed before.
Speaker 2: Well if you haven't, then you it is an incredible
Speaker 2: Is that a cyber truck where?
Speaker 1: Yes, Oh my god, I don't even want to know who.
Speaker 2: I can tell you who it is?
Speaker 1: Who should we is it?
Speaker 2: Is it fair to say who's not? Yeah, you can
Speaker 2: tell me later, okay, but I do know who it
Speaker 2: is because we're giving them a hard time on the bus.
Speaker 1: Good. Yes, those things sort of the dumbest looking vehicles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when we were we made a comment that we
Speaker 2: sure hope saltwater doesn't get in that. He did not
Speaker 2: find it funny. He did not know, no, but he
Speaker 2: took it. Well. See, that's called a tease. Will make people.
Speaker 2: I'll go I'll go see him tomorrow and ask him
Speaker 2: if it's okay. Yeah, if we can say that, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that's the that's the way to do it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm trying not to get in trouble today, I'm doing it.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm doing well. I think you're
Speaker 2: trying not to get in trouble.
Speaker 1: I was on Twitter randomly during that game. I saw
Speaker 1: the clip, that classic clip of Scott Brandley just absolutely
Speaker 1: demolishing Eric Hipple. Oh yeah, yeah, Bucks fans out there,
Speaker 1: that is if you've ever heard of this or seen it,
Speaker 1: just go to YouTube and see if it's just if
Speaker 1: I do. Scott Branley and Eric Kipple, I bet you.
Speaker 2: And that is that that was when you could really
Speaker 2: compile somebody. I mean he laid him out.
Speaker 1: Scott Brantley hit on Eric Hipple. Yeah, so just start
Speaker 1: typing Scott Branley and it'll finish out. It was in
Speaker 1: a game in Detroit in nineteen eighty five, and that actually.
Speaker 2: Looks like it's in Tampa. Is Yeah, there's Stills.
Speaker 1: Hippole fakes a couple handoffs and then starts rolling left
Speaker 1: and he decides to scramble and he's near the sideline.
Speaker 1: He kind of dips around on his teammates so he
Speaker 1: does not see Scott Branley coming at all, miss and
Speaker 1: Brantley hits him like a missile and it's like Eric
Speaker 1: Hipples just exploded, like there were there were parts of
Speaker 1: his uniform going in like six different directions, and oh boy,
Speaker 1: he stayed down for a long time after.
Speaker 2: Now you can't do a hit like that now because
Speaker 2: anytime a quarterback gets to the side, gets to a sideline,
Speaker 2: you have to let up.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see. I'm looking at this, and I think
Speaker 1: that's a legal hit even today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had shoulder and shoulder and he's still in.
Speaker 1: And he's still barely in. He's not trying to get
Speaker 1: out of bounds because he doesn't realize Brantley's coming. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I think this is a legal hit.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's It'd be like if you were, you know,
Speaker 2: turn your head to look one way and then stepped
Speaker 2: off the curve and got caught on the other way.
Speaker 1: He had no idea it was coming, and he was
Speaker 1: sure there was a there was a body on the ground.
Speaker 1: I think it was a buccaneer defender and he's basically
Speaker 1: trying to fall over him for extra yards, so he
Speaker 1: wasn't trying to go out of bounce. And I don't
Speaker 1: blame the guy. I feel sorry for him. I'm sure
Speaker 1: he's recovered by now, but one would hold, one would hope,
Speaker 1: but yeah, google that and it's just unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Scott Brandley was a hitter. He's still Yeah, he's a
Speaker 2: good dude. He lives up in Okalla. He's you know,
Speaker 2: not doing as well as as we have.
Speaker 1: All right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: So go ahead and what else? Yet?
Speaker 1: I don't have a lot more. We kind of skipped
Speaker 1: over when we were talking about our injuries. I wanted
Speaker 1: to bring up the forty nine ers just to show
Speaker 1: that we're not.
Speaker 2: Do you know? Someone put a meme out there of
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers and and I don't know if
Speaker 2: I should say what it was. Well, it was interesting
Speaker 2: because of all their injuries, and it was a no,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to say. Okay there, I know. I
Speaker 2: changed my mind.
Speaker 1: You want to call John Lynch this week and asked me, well, okay,
Speaker 1: they just started the game without Chritian McCaffrey and without
Speaker 1: Juwan Jennings's not one of their bigger names, but is
Speaker 1: a good receiver. And then, uh, Devils, you got sick
Speaker 1: before the game? Uh flew ended up not playing much
Speaker 1: in right, and went to the hospital and it was
Speaker 1: pneumonia and then like Chris Comes, Brandon Ayuk suffered a
Speaker 1: season ending I think his is an ACL and NCL.
Speaker 2: Came back and they did not look like they did.
Speaker 1: At some point they're out of weapons, and that made
Speaker 1: it a lot harder on Brock Purdy, who had been
Speaker 1: having a great season.
Speaker 2: Right when you when you look at that and say
Speaker 2: you're going to get Patrick Mahomes to throw two I
Speaker 2: N t's and you know less than two hundred yards passing,
Speaker 2: you're going to win that game. And no, that wasn't
Speaker 2: the case. But I will say Kansas City's defense is
Speaker 2: pretty stout right now.
Speaker 1: Kansas City's defense was equally important to their their Super
Speaker 1: Bowl championship last year, if not more so. Kind of
Speaker 1: the way when we won after the twenty twenty season,
Speaker 1: Tom Brady and the offense rightfully got most of the
Speaker 1: credit for that incredible run to the last couple of
Speaker 1: months of the season, but in the playoffs, our defense
Speaker 1: was probably the more dominant. Union lots and lots of
Speaker 1: turnovers held the Chiefs to nine points. You gotta have
Speaker 1: different ways to win, Jeff, the Chiefs and Andy Reid
Speaker 1: and Patrick Mahomes are good at finding different ways to win.
Speaker 2: Well, that's good. You know, We've always said this, Good
Speaker 2: teams figure out a way to win. They're just not
Speaker 2: one dimensional, right, And that's.
Speaker 1: Now we're gonna have to find is that where you were.
Speaker 2: Going, guys, where it's going.
Speaker 1: But go ahead, We're gonna have to find two things here.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to find in a different way to
Speaker 1: succeed on offense because, like we said, we don't have
Speaker 1: another Chris Gowan now or another Mike Evans now. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of trust and belief in our coaching staff,
Speaker 1: starting from Todd Bowles and guys like Jalen McMillan and
Speaker 1: Trey Palmer. And I'm particularly excited to see what Jalen
Speaker 1: can do an expanded role because when he was playing
Speaker 1: he hasn't had a ton of production yet, but he's
Speaker 1: basically been playing the third receiver role with Mike and Chris.
Speaker 1: Now he's going to be one of your starters. Presumably
Speaker 1: probably have McMillan and I don't know this for sure,
Speaker 1: but probably have McMillan Palmer on the outside and Stirling
Speaker 1: Shepherd in the slot.
Speaker 2: And they brought up Millers.
Speaker 1: And we could activate with Kim Jarrett this week. So
Speaker 1: now you're in a more prominent role. Now you're a
Speaker 1: guy that Baker's gonna be looking to a lot, because
Speaker 1: he hasked to I'm really excited to see what he
Speaker 1: might do. And that's why Todd Bowles put his eyes.
Speaker 1: He said, you never know what you can do until
Speaker 1: you know who you don't have, and he says attribute.
Speaker 1: He attributed that to Bill Parcells. So yeah, you didn't
Speaker 1: have to find out what you got in Jalen Mill
Speaker 1: until everybody else is hurt. And then now he has
Speaker 1: to be the guy. So and then also, it would
Speaker 1: be nice if the defense found some improvement in this stretch.
Speaker 2: I think it's crucial because.
Speaker 1: Honestly, they've given him more than five hundred yards in
Speaker 1: two of the last three games.
Speaker 2: Even if they only give up three hundred yards.
Speaker 1: Again, we lost two of those games where we scored
Speaker 1: thirty or more points. You like to think that if
Speaker 1: you can get thirty, you're gonna.
Speaker 2: Win, you would think, But but yeah, we need.
Speaker 1: To figure out some things on defense.
Speaker 2: And I always get a little confused, but I begin,
Speaker 2: I mean, I always hear it's communication. Someone's not hearing
Speaker 2: the call. And I heard that Todd's defense is complicated,
Speaker 2: but once you understand it, you can play really fast.
Speaker 2: And I keep I think we as fans forget that
Speaker 2: there's some really young guys still playing. And what a
Speaker 2: difference having Elijah Kntsi in there and with Vida Veya. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: had a really good game. Got pressures in there.
Speaker 1: He's been getting a lot of pressure without getting sacks,
Speaker 1: which is he's got a very good pressure rate.
Speaker 2: Sometimes sometimes that's just as good.
Speaker 1: No, well, you'd like to see a higher percentage of
Speaker 1: pressures turned into sacks. Yeah, because, yes, getting pressure a
Speaker 1: lot on the quarterback is very good, but getting a
Speaker 1: sack is even better. Right, Most drives don't survive a.
Speaker 2: Sack, you guys, yes, get well, Yes, I.
Speaker 1: Don't know what the numbers are, but I bet it's
Speaker 1: a pretty high percentage of drives that into failure if
Speaker 1: there's even one sack on them.
Speaker 2: Even ten yard penalties have a tendency to hurt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, holding penalties are tough over coat. I did not like.
Speaker 1: I think it was near the end of the first
Speaker 1: half when we managed I think I think as the
Speaker 1: penalties we managed to get them in a very long
Speaker 1: like third and thirty and on their side of the field,
Speaker 1: and they threw a little screen and it got like
Speaker 1: twenty five yards and you're like, well we stopped them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they got into field goal range. And I don't
Speaker 1: know what we did wrong there, whether it's a philosophical
Speaker 1: thing or somebody messed up, but you got to get
Speaker 1: you gotta keep them out of field goal range there.
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, maybe more aggressive.
Speaker 2: When someone is wide open. It's usually because someone didn't
Speaker 2: understand where to go.
Speaker 1: Well, when it's a running back, you know, swung out
Speaker 1: to the right and you have the scrimmage, it's not
Speaker 1: really that surprising because we're probably playing pretty far back
Speaker 1: on third and thirty and then you come up and tackle.
Speaker 1: But there wasn't anybody close enough to tackle him before
Speaker 1: they got back in the field goal range and they
Speaker 1: made a fifty five yarder. I think, yeah, so you
Speaker 1: only needed to stop him probably five shorter.
Speaker 2: Which is unfortunate because we did miss the fifty five
Speaker 2: yard or fifty two. Okay, well we missed a long
Speaker 2: field goal, which if we had hit that then yeah.
Speaker 1: But let's not get greedy. This was the first time
Speaker 1: he missed all year.
Speaker 2: I know, from fifteen and the wind was blowing in
Speaker 2: his face. So you will say that, oh yeah, well yeah,
Speaker 2: it's got to do the pirate ship. Yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 2: why our Kischoffs couldn't get to the end zone. Right
Speaker 2: when we talked about that, when they were going for
Speaker 2: we were talking about is this where you go if you,
Speaker 2: you know, don't punt go for fourth down? You know,
Speaker 2: or do you or do you kick a field goal?
Speaker 2: And they elected to kick a field goal.
Speaker 1: Well you can understand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and now if you make that field goal, you go,
Speaker 2: that was a great call. If you missed that field goal,
Speaker 2: you go, oh, you should have just tried fourth down.
Speaker 2: You're giving them the ball the same place or a
Speaker 2: little even more.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 2: That's kind of though. But you know, when you have
Speaker 2: games like that, that's where you end up going back
Speaker 2: and forth and saying this that. Well, yeah, hey, the
Speaker 2: Ravens are a good team, no question about that.
Speaker 1: I might call them Super Bowl favorites right now.
Speaker 2: You do, they're right up there? Yeah, well, they they
Speaker 2: just don't seem to be able to get through the playoffs.
Speaker 2: That that always seems to knock them out. Three years ago,
Speaker 2: I think it was the Titans and then they got
Speaker 2: knocked out.
Speaker 1: Last year, they Buffalos and the championship and lost again.
Speaker 1: If A Flowers hadn't fumbled at the goal line, they
Speaker 1: might have won that game.
Speaker 2: Ifs, ifs, ifs, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now they that Baltimore team is very very good, no
Speaker 1: doubt about that.
Speaker 2: Very well coached, been around a long time.
Speaker 1: Now we get to face Kirk Cousins again, which this
Speaker 1: idea that he's some kind of buck slayer is a
Speaker 1: little overblown.
Speaker 2: It's funny you were saying that someone was talking to
Speaker 2: me about that.
Speaker 1: It's based on It's based mostly on the game from
Speaker 1: like what twenty fifteen in Washington. Yeah, you like that game?
Speaker 1: And then god and then this last game.
Speaker 2: No, I don't like that game.
Speaker 1: This last game he threw for five hundred yards. But
Speaker 1: that's two of the four times that we've played against him,
Speaker 1: and we beat him the other two times. So he's
Speaker 1: two and two against us. It's just that the wins
Speaker 1: have been extremely memorable.
Speaker 2: At least that you got that one, right, which is.
Speaker 1: You like that? I mean, I hate that you like that?
Speaker 2: I hate it.
Speaker 1: But he wanted to know if you like that. That
Speaker 1: was his question that he repeated on several occasions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, we don't like that.
Speaker 1: And you want to do you want to do emails?
Speaker 2: Do you? Are you done?
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about that game anymore.
Speaker 2: No, I'm talking about the upcoming game with Atlanta.
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny. They they really got beat pretty badly
Speaker 1: by Seattle.
Speaker 2: At home, surprisingly because they were the favorites.
Speaker 1: They're also favored in this game. Did you know that? No,
Speaker 1: two and a half point favorites on the road. But
Speaker 1: that's got to be because because injuries. But they lost
Speaker 1: three four fourteen.
Speaker 2: And Seattle I think it was like on a three
Speaker 2: game losing streak. But they're a good team Seattle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Geno Smith's a good quarterback.
Speaker 2: Well, I think this is this is uh yeah. A
Speaker 2: lot of people were kind of down on the mouth
Speaker 2: around here, you know, feeling bad. And my my thinking,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm looking at the bright side is you
Speaker 2: know if we were talking a training camp and said
Speaker 2: in week eight we're going to be fighting for first place,
Speaker 2: would you be excited? And that's where we're at right now.
Speaker 1: You like to use this argument like every week, and
Speaker 1: sometimes it's more relevant than others.
Speaker 2: This one's big.
Speaker 1: We're four and three.
Speaker 2: Okay, I understand, but you can be five and three
Speaker 2: if you win this game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you could also be four and four.
Speaker 2: Well that's why you have to win this game.
Speaker 1: You win this Yeah, I don't know. If you told
Speaker 1: me before that have seven games would be four and three,
Speaker 1: I'd be all that excited. That's one game over five hundred.
Speaker 1: I probably would have figured. We lost at Detroit, at
Speaker 1: New Orleans and Baltimore.
Speaker 2: Who did you think?
Speaker 1: So I don't don't. Don't try to get me on
Speaker 1: record saying I thought we would live.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'm looking. I'm looking at this and I'm
Speaker 2: going I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't want to do it that way. You're going
Speaker 1: to say what those teams are and who we should have.
Speaker 2: Some people didn't think we were going to get six wins,
Speaker 2: so you know, I mean, right now, we're I know,
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: But we did. We didn't agree with those perceptions. I
Speaker 1: think we should be five and two because I think
Speaker 1: we should have won the Atlanta game.
Speaker 2: Well, I agree with that.
Speaker 1: How we can't really argue with the losses to Denver
Speaker 1: and Baltimore. They beat us pretty badly. I think we
Speaker 1: you know, but then the Lions would probably argue they
Speaker 1: should have won their game. Sure they had sat opportunities again,
Speaker 1: whereas we don't feel that way about it.
Speaker 2: But see, the Falcons can say they won that game
Speaker 2: because they made more plays than we did. We needed
Speaker 2: to make a play and it didn't happen like.
Speaker 1: That one play where they grabbed the face mask.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or or we get we get a holding call, right.
Speaker 1: There was one flag on that play. One. Or or.
Speaker 2: You get a first down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were trying to, but it's hard.
Speaker 2: When you get a holding call or you make a stop.
Speaker 1: I understand, Jack. I'm just saying that they take this
Speaker 1: one game against Atlanta and change one thing, that being
Speaker 1: the face mask getting called, and I'm pretty sure we
Speaker 1: win that game.
Speaker 2: That's why I feel so confident that we're going to
Speaker 2: win this game.
Speaker 1: That's not where I'm going with this. My point is
Speaker 1: I'm not that excited by about four and three. I'm
Speaker 1: glad we four and three and tied for first and
Speaker 1: not two and five, but I really feel like we
Speaker 1: should be five and two right now, and I would
Speaker 1: feel a lot better at five and two, especially with
Speaker 1: a chance to then go two games up in the
Speaker 1: division this week. So we gotta win this one because
Speaker 1: they would have the sledgehammer of a tiebreaker with that
Speaker 1: sweep against US, which means you can't get into a
Speaker 1: tiebreaker with them at the end. You have to be
Speaker 1: at least one clear.
Speaker 2: But I'm not gonna spend all week licking my wounds.
Speaker 2: I'm going for the ray of sunshine.
Speaker 1: Okay. So I'm just I just think you use that
Speaker 1: if I told you we were here at the beginning
Speaker 1: of the sun it is.
Speaker 2: It's if you do it every week, I understand, but
Speaker 2: sometimes it's more relevant than others enjoy it.
Speaker 1: Like when we were two and one after losing a
Speaker 1: Denver and you say, yeah, that was a bad game
Speaker 1: against Denver. But if I told you we were two
Speaker 1: and one after the first three games, right, we included
Speaker 1: a game at Detroit. I get that point. Yes, if
Speaker 1: you told me before the season that we'd be two
Speaker 1: and one after the end of the after three weeks,
Speaker 1: I'd be cool. That sounds great.
Speaker 2: But I think, I think.
Speaker 1: But this is not where it's It doesn't apply here.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll let you have it.
Speaker 1: If at least if you're going to use that line,
Speaker 1: like it'd be like a you know, a flea flicker.
Speaker 1: Only do it like once every five games. Okay, fine, anyway,
Speaker 1: this you.
Speaker 2: Can you can you can feel miserable at four and three,
Speaker 2: I feel.
Speaker 1: Saying I feel miserable. I'm saying, don't use the same
Speaker 1: line every single time.
Speaker 2: You're just being you're just being salty.
Speaker 1: That song, that's fine, I mean it does kind of.
Speaker 1: It's right there in the title. So this Seattle Atlanta game,
Speaker 1: they lost pretty handily, despite the fact that they really
Speaker 1: got great production out of all those top ten picks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: p John Robinson ran for one hundred and three yards
Speaker 1: in a touchdown and also caught three passes for forty yards.
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts had seven catches for sixty five yards. Drake
Speaker 1: London had six catches for sixty three yards in a touchdown.
Speaker 1: That's how it's That's what they were, that's what they're
Speaker 1: going for with all these picks, and that all happened,
Speaker 1: and yet they still only scored fourteen points. Crazy part
Speaker 1: because Cousins two interceptions.
Speaker 2: Hopefully that's in the mix.
Speaker 1: Yes, all right, you want to get some question?
Speaker 2: Sure? Why not?
Speaker 1: Are you mad at me for yelling at you? No?
Speaker 2: I just can't wait till next week when we're five
Speaker 2: and three and say, hey, if we were in the
Speaker 2: pre IF preseason and I said we'd be five and
Speaker 2: three after eight games, would you be happy? That's all.
Speaker 1: There's a difference between happy and excited.
Speaker 2: All right, are you excited if we're five and three?
Speaker 2: You can't answer that question until next week.
Speaker 1: No, now good, I'm happy, but not excited.
Speaker 2: Okay, go to the questions. What do you got? Computer froze?
Speaker 1: Okay, No, I'm just trying to figure out the first email.
Speaker 1: I think it's this one, Kent Denny.
Speaker 2: That's fine. You don't have to go in order.
Speaker 1: No, I'm saying the first ones. All the ones above
Speaker 1: it are new and not ones we read last week.
Speaker 2: Oh, I see you saved them. You don't delete them.
Speaker 1: I don't make a point of deleting them. Okay, just
Speaker 1: ck Jeff and Scott first. I hope both of you
Speaker 1: fared okay during Milton and everything is back to normal.
Speaker 1: I think we both were fine. Still need to replace
Speaker 1: my fence, same.
Speaker 2: Still getting dropped up, but it needs to I totally
Speaker 2: replaced them, and they.
Speaker 1: Still haven't picked up the lawn debris. Neighborhood. A couple
Speaker 1: of people started trying to take care of themselves.
Speaker 2: Well, they came, they came by and they picked up
Speaker 2: the stuff that was in like bags. But but I
Speaker 2: think it's because they're going to bring the Mulchi machine
Speaker 2: down the street.
Speaker 1: That makes sense.
Speaker 2: Again that way, it doesn't take it. But as much landfill,
Speaker 2: go ahead.
Speaker 1: I don't think my email will get to you before
Speaker 1: you record this week's podcast. That was last week.
Speaker 2: That was Oh, he was right, so you'll have to use.
Speaker 1: The wayback machine to remember my question about concussion protocol.
Speaker 1: I noticed Luke Getticky was wearing the Guardian helmet during
Speaker 1: the Saints game and he also, by the way, he
Speaker 1: also did it against Baltimore and would like to know
Speaker 1: how it protects the players. Thanks for doing the show,
Speaker 1: and as always, we want merchin from Tampa. I can well,
Speaker 1: I mean it's just extra patting, right, So there's an
Speaker 1: extra layer of that you don't see you see it
Speaker 1: if you see like practice footage, but they cover it
Speaker 1: with that thing and you know, so you have the
Speaker 1: Buccaneers logo style. But it's just an extra layer of padding.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think there's anything more complicated than that.
Speaker 2: It takes because it's like an egg. You're you're it's
Speaker 2: a cushion thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and even that's not infallible because I mean, if
Speaker 1: you get hard enough, the problem is your brain bouncing
Speaker 1: around inside your skull. That's how you get concussions. So
Speaker 1: it makes it that less likely to happen because there's
Speaker 1: more absorption. Yeah, okay, well there's not anything.
Speaker 2: Really, Uh nothing earth show.
Speaker 1: I sent an email to this address one night because
Speaker 1: I thought it was a topic and I wanted to
Speaker 1: remember to discuss. But I don't really remember what I
Speaker 1: wanted to discuss about it now. It just says smelling salts. Oh,
Speaker 1: because uh, I guess I saw footage of Baker walking
Speaker 1: down a couple other guys, guys walking down smelling salts.
Speaker 2: They're like ammonia solon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so like opens up your pathway.
Speaker 2: Yes, it just goes and you just go woa, ready
Speaker 2: to go.
Speaker 1: I guess it's not performance enhancing.
Speaker 2: Because no, it's not performing enhancing. All right, this is
Speaker 2: just kind of clear your sinuses. It gives you a
Speaker 2: little jolt. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Ian McDermott from Galway, Ireland. By the way, if I'm
Speaker 1: pronouncing that, yes, Galloway, Hey, Scott and Jeff watching the
Speaker 1: Ravens game. Third quarter has just ended unbelievably frustrating. I
Speaker 1: feel like they haven't been even played that badly. Everything
Speaker 1: just seems to be going wrong after such a good start. Anyways,
Speaker 1: in a more cheerful matter, our greatest treasure Jeane Deckerff
Speaker 1: as an avid radio listener. I think he's the best
Speaker 1: in the business. I may have written to you before
Speaker 1: about this, but is there any chance he would be
Speaker 1: considered for the Ring of Honor? And before I looked
Speaker 1: at the the signature at the bottom, I knew this
Speaker 1: was somebody from Europe because he spelled honor with a
Speaker 1: you holy hell a turnover, so I guess that must
Speaker 1: have been happened. Wow, he was writing this. Glad to
Speaker 1: hear you all well after the Hurricanes. Thanks for all
Speaker 1: the podcasts. Go Bucks. This is Ian from Ireland. We've
Speaker 1: had this discussion every now and then we talk about
Speaker 1: who's still should be in like I think Simeon Risen
Speaker 1: Hardy Nickerson person should be in h and we've brought
Speaker 1: up gene Ye it would be I wonder if any
Speaker 1: other team has ever done that. Did the Dodgers put.
Speaker 2: The Skulley Scully. Yeah, he's there.
Speaker 1: He would be the number one.
Speaker 2: And then they renamed the entire thing Vin Scully. Now
Speaker 2: it is Jeene Deckerhoff Radio Booth. It is there at
Speaker 2: Raymond James Stadium.
Speaker 1: Is this is the press book still called the tomicquan presbects.
Speaker 2: I don't know that. I believe when they did renovations
Speaker 2: the signs all went away, so I don't know. But yeah,
Speaker 2: the Dodgers have been Scully up there. I think a
Speaker 2: number of clubs have done that.
Speaker 1: You could make an argument, yeah.
Speaker 2: I think it would be one of those things if
Speaker 2: and when Jean really retires that maybe that would be
Speaker 2: the time to do it.
Speaker 1: I don't really know if it's gonna happen or not.
Speaker 2: I don't either.
Speaker 1: I would be a very happy for him if it did.
Speaker 2: No pun intended, it's not at all.
Speaker 1: I'd be so happy for him if that, And just
Speaker 1: the fact that we're seriously thinking about the possibility is
Speaker 1: pretty impressive. Yes, So we'll see. We'll see, if you know,
Speaker 1: whenever he retires, and then some years after that, it'll
Speaker 1: be interesting something to keep an eye on. Ian. Good Questionion,
Speaker 1: good question. Alexander, our friend from Brazil, holy salty ones.
Speaker 1: Hope this funds you both well. So we have a
Speaker 1: team that does not play their best ball under the lights,
Speaker 1: just like a Bucks team in the beginning of the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty season. That was a great team we were
Speaker 1: facing and early mistakes in Handtring's kind of put it
Speaker 1: it the game away. How fitting will it be for
Speaker 1: the Creamsicle game. We will need our defense to step
Speaker 1: up and win the game for us, A crucial game.
Speaker 1: By the way, since you did, thanks for reading Alexander
Speaker 1: nessamente from so Paul Brazil and just to put some
Speaker 1: film reference, Mike Evans will return. Sure, I know what
Speaker 1: he means by that, but I think what Alexander's point
Speaker 1: here is that the he said the defense winning games
Speaker 1: for us is like a throwback to the old days,
Speaker 1: although most of that great defense was played after well, no,
Speaker 1: that one too. Yeah that's true. But the greatest defense
Speaker 1: in Buck history is the one that led us to
Speaker 1: the twenty two and it was good from like ninety
Speaker 1: seven through five, I mean really good, and that was
Speaker 1: all actually not in Creamsicle. Ninety six was the last
Speaker 1: yet Creamsicle and we did already have Brooks. Won't sap
Speaker 1: in lyunch at that point. But they hadn't really coalesced
Speaker 1: into the great defense and.
Speaker 2: They will be. And Rondi wasn't even ran day then.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Rondie wasn't unday until ninety eight.
Speaker 2: And then in ninety eight ronde wasn't run day.
Speaker 1: No, he was pretty good in ninety eight. It was
Speaker 1: ninety seven. He only played one his rookie season. He
Speaker 1: was replacing it. And he'll gladly tell you he was
Speaker 1: not good that Here. This is from our official Idaho
Speaker 1: Buccaneers Ambassador Phipps. Dear Jeff and Jeff. Only some people
Speaker 1: like Scott might not care about audio quality or random
Speaker 1: noise in the background. I am always wondering what that
Speaker 1: noise is, and come to find out it's Scott banging
Speaker 1: on his desk. Well, first of all, I was banging
Speaker 1: on your chair, not my desk, but close enough, and
Speaker 1: banging is a little strong.
Speaker 2: I was going like this, you were tapping. He was tapping,
Speaker 2: I know. But if you're listening in it's very ear.
Speaker 1: It clearly bothers Colton. Anyway, this is only for you, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm listening. I know of the Newman you eight seven
Speaker 1: mic because we use one here in the studio for
Speaker 1: vocals and voiceovers.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's how we.
Speaker 1: Get that full range and the Sindheiser's processing EQ you
Speaker 1: have set up sounds really good. I don't remember that
Speaker 1: because I know I tuned out when you were talking
Speaker 1: about all that stuff, so I don't remember what you said.
Speaker 1: I could only tell that's me talking about him. I
Speaker 1: could only tell the difference when you were on the road.
Speaker 1: So keep up the good work. So when we zum, yeah,
Speaker 1: because we didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't use the I didn't use the road mixture.
Speaker 1: Justin FAYI. The last episode was not on Spotify.
Speaker 2: I got a check in chick into that I had
Speaker 2: to use.
Speaker 1: The Buccaneers app to listen for the first time. It
Speaker 1: was and it was over overall and enjoyable experience.
Speaker 2: Oh good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody should know. You can get the podcasts on
Speaker 1: the bucks app.
Speaker 2: Well, you can get the you can get the podcast
Speaker 2: on the you can get the podcast wherever you get
Speaker 2: your podcast, like Apple. Yeah, but you also can get
Speaker 2: your podcast if you have serious XM app and all
Speaker 2: you do is type in Buccaneers and it'll pop up
Speaker 2: all the audio.
Speaker 1: Of okay, and you can pick and choose.
Speaker 2: You can pick it from press conferences to from Monday
Speaker 2: to from Monday nothing but Bucks with TJ Coaches, show players,
Speaker 2: show press conferences on Wednesday with head coach with Baker,
Speaker 2: Thursday with defensive Coordinator Liam Cohen, Offensive coordinator. Any interviews
Speaker 2: in the locker room, and then after the game, all
Speaker 2: those interviews. If you don't catch them, you can get
Speaker 2: it all there.
Speaker 1: I have the Serious Exim app on my phone so
Speaker 1: I can do that.
Speaker 2: You type it. It's really very cool. I typed it
Speaker 2: in and looked at it and to see, you know,
Speaker 2: make sure it's all working.
Speaker 1: I tend to use it mostly to play the nineties
Speaker 1: Hip Hop channel nineties and music nineties is the best
Speaker 1: stake at for your music in the history of human kind.
Speaker 2: It is, huh yep.
Speaker 1: But I particularly like nineties hip hop. Come on, you
Speaker 1: don't like yacht rock radio, It's fine, that's great. You
Speaker 1: know friend Tony, You know Tony, Yes, he loves rock.
Speaker 2: I do too. I do because you know why, it's soothing. Okay,
Speaker 2: got a nice little mix. It's a you know, some fast,
Speaker 2: some slow, some.
Speaker 1: I like music with a good beat that has words.
Speaker 2: It's easy to dance. Too.
Speaker 1: I'm sure, Okay, okay, anyway to continue, thank you.
Speaker 2: He's in a studio, so is he. I wonder if
Speaker 2: he's an engineer or what kind of studio.
Speaker 1: I'm fearful that he's already told us when we discussed it.
Speaker 2: I don't believe he has. I don't believe he has
Speaker 2: because I would have remembered that.
Speaker 1: Well. Colton's on a little bit of a run here
Speaker 1: of writing in every week for like four weeks in
Speaker 1: a row, so he'll probably answer these questions.
Speaker 2: Good because if he was in a studio. It's interesting.
Speaker 1: Although I do prefer Spotify so you can download and
Speaker 1: listen without internet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: I like Spotify. Okay, there's a lot on there. PS.
Speaker 1: Still so sad about Chris Godwin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think everyone's going to be that way.
Speaker 1: When they cut back from commercial and showed him on
Speaker 1: the cart, his expression on his face was so sad
Speaker 1: that I wanted to shed a tear.
Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of did.
Speaker 1: And then Colton says, all right, go ahead. That's his motto,
Speaker 1: based on you, Colton Phipps Official Idaho Buccaneers and great
Speaker 1: all right, and this is our last one is from
Speaker 1: a friend of ours in California, Phillips Squadron, Hey S Dogs.
Speaker 1: I just watched the video of all of Mike evans
Speaker 1: one hundred touchdown catches.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I saw that.
Speaker 1: It was a nice trip down memory lane, and I
Speaker 1: feel like I remember every one of them. Well, that's
Speaker 1: pretty good. The thing I noticed about a lot of
Speaker 1: those catches is his hands are so big. He looks
Speaker 1: like he's catching a tennis ball instead of a football.
Speaker 1: Just the greatest receiver of the decade. Losing Godwin sucks.
Speaker 1: I won't begin to predict predict how the rest of
Speaker 1: the season will play out, but once we get past
Speaker 1: San Francisco, the schedule looks pretty good for us, regardless
Speaker 1: of who's catching the ball.
Speaker 2: I like how he's thinking, hopefully Mike's.
Speaker 1: One of them. I'm not losing hope just yet. Well, no,
Speaker 1: don't lose hope. Phil Schadron, Woodland Hills, California. I mean,
Speaker 1: if we hopefully beat the Falcons this weekend, we're in
Speaker 1: first place.
Speaker 2: Yep, I know I brought that up. Yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 2: It's a week to week. It's the emotional highs and
Speaker 2: lows week to week.
Speaker 1: It's just you know, sure has been that way this
Speaker 1: week and.
Speaker 2: Every team, you know, a team scores fifty some points
Speaker 2: on somebody, and the next week it's crazy. And then
Speaker 2: I mean that's across the league. Someone does really well
Speaker 2: when look at look at the Saints, ninety some points
Speaker 2: in two weeks and they have a one a game
Speaker 2: since the second week of the season. Not that it
Speaker 2: breaks my.
Speaker 1: Heart, but you know, there's some background noise for you.
Speaker 2: But you know what I'm saying, It's just I don't know.
Speaker 2: I I just can't get too high or too low anymore.
Speaker 2: I just get it done onto the next chapter, making
Speaker 2: it great. You got anything else?
Speaker 1: Halloween's coming, Jeff, not my favorite.
Speaker 2: All.
Speaker 1: I can't Helloween.
Speaker 2: I'm not a fan of it.
Speaker 1: I love when we're on the road on like the
Speaker 1: night before Hell. I'm with you because I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't have to. I'm just going to hide in the
Speaker 1: house anyway, just almost say out on the line with
Speaker 1: the chair and some candy.
Speaker 2: No, make it great, get Pitt pitted.
Speaker 1: By the Stevens. Anyway.
Speaker 2: That's all I got, Jeff, That's it all right. All.
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, I think you should immediately
Speaker 2: go home now.
Speaker 1: And I got one thing. I gotta finishers.
Speaker 2: What oh you do have to push before?
Speaker 1: You probably take her about half out?
Speaker 2: All right, Well then I'm gonna let you go. And
Speaker 2: since you did, thanks for listening.
Speaker 1: H m hm