1 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on 2 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: Home of the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome 3 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: back on Dale Lolly here with Matt Williamson and Matt. 4 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 1: We've spent a large person of this show talking about 5 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger, his retirement, what that means, and of course 6 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: the retirement of Tom Brady. Um. We mentioned Rivers is 7 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: now gone, Breeze is now gone, Manning is now gone. 8 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: Um And and I know Steeler fans are looking at this, 9 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:38,919 Speaker 1: A lot of people are looking at this as the 10 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 1: the a f C is now the um young quarterback? Yeah, 11 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: this this is the this is where it's at. UM. 12 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: Who's the Who's number one? Moving forward? Who's the Who's 13 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: the best quarterback? What are the what are your top 14 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: five going in the next year? Who? So you're not 15 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: talking about who am I building around? You know the 16 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: young guy? You're talking about Who's the best quarterback in 17 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,199 Speaker 1: the league right now? Is it still Aaron Rodgers? Isn't 18 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 1: it's Rogers? I mean, this is back to like our 19 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: Beddest conversation. I mean, the last thing you saw was 20 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 1: a bad taste in your mouth, but I thought it 21 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: might have been his best year. I mean, his line 22 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: was as bad as the Steelers and always injured, and 23 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: he's got one major weapon and is dominant. I still 24 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: think that he has just about everything still physically, but 25 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: is unbelievably advanced mentally compared to the other ones we 26 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: might talk about at the top of the list. Okay, 27 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: who is Mahomes and number two? Or how's does this playoffs? 28 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: Does that change your opinion of Mahomes slightly? Um It? 29 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,639 Speaker 1: This year changed is my opinion of my Homes because 30 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: like when we previewed Steelers Chiefs round one and then 31 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: Steelers Chiefs Round two, I said over and over, Wow, 32 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: ma Homes has really matured since week six, year one, 33 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 1: Year two. He has learned to check the ball down 34 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: and not have to be Superman until he didn't. You 35 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: know what I mean? You know this last game, I 36 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: really feel like Read and my Homes have to go 37 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: a weekend away and self scout and say everyone's gunning 38 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: for us. This isn't two thousand nineteen anymore. You know, 39 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: we need to change who we are a little bit, 40 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: and we're not adapting and everyone is around us and 41 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 1: we need to take take a little bit more. Chief's 42 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: inventory here of what we are. Because I've said this 43 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: a million times, it's just seemed like a lot of hubrius, 44 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 1: arrogant about, oh, we'll get it done, paddle bailiss out. 45 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: You know, we're more talented. These guys can't hang around. 46 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: And that's just thought how the league works. We've never 47 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: seen a quarterback that can just will his way to 48 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: win his time and time again. But his body of 49 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: work and his talent is remarkable. I mean, I still 50 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: think I think he's closer to one than he is three. Yeah, 51 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: I would agree with that. Okay, So if those are 52 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 1: the top two, who's third? Alan? Okay? Yeah, I mean, 53 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: no one cares who the runner up m VP is. 54 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: But he was the runner up last year and was 55 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: amazing this year and even better in the playoffs. Has 56 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: really really come into his own. Yeah, I think he's 57 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: pretty clearly my three. Okay. Now, I gotta think. Now 58 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: it gets interesting, like if if does what Burrow does 59 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl, does that factor into this? Yeah? 60 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: I mean what Stafford does. As I say, if we're 61 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: only talking about now bur Over, Stafford's play next Sunday 62 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: is gonna carry more weight, of course than a Week 63 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: six matchup. You know where one of them doesn't play 64 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: great or whatever. Um I'm sitting here trying to jot 65 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: down names of who I would even consider for this 66 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: honor and see if I'm missing anyone. I have Burrow, 67 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: I have Stafford, I have Herbert, I still have Lamar. 68 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I know he's a different beast. I have 69 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 1: Dak and I have Russell Wilson. Still is is there 70 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: somebody that's maybe is number four that we're not thinking 71 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: about actually pulling up a list here just so I 72 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: don't miss anybody? Uh, I think that's the short list. 73 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 1: And and Kyler maybe I don't know that I can 74 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: put him in that that level, but I think you 75 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: would have like a month into the season and then well, 76 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: you know, again the size, the size factors in that. 77 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if you take a beating. Yeah, I 78 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 1: mean his littleness has shown up now two years in 79 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: a row, and maybe it's a fluke and maybe he'll 80 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: go ten years. I mean there was a time we 81 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 1: said Matthew Stafford injury prone early in his years, you know, 82 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: and then I'm December or whatever. Um, doc is really 83 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: high on my list. I think he's really advanced mentally, toughness, 84 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: and I think that this will go down as one 85 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 1: of his worst years because he came off such a 86 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 1: gruesome injury that I don't know that he was ever 87 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: quite the same this year. I'm also still very much 88 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: a Wilson believer, and whether it's here or somewhere else, 89 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: I would love to see him on a new team. 90 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: And you know, just see what that looks like. But Lamar, 91 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: it is really hard to play against. I don't know. Yeah, 92 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I got seven names here. I mean, if 93 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: I'm build a team, it's Burrow or Herbert, but that's 94 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 1: not what we're doing here. I still think their youth 95 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 1: shows up. Then it might show up in the Super 96 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: Bowl two for Burrow. I love their makeup. I think 97 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 1: they're tremendous prospects. That's being a little hard on them, 98 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: but there's something to be said for being around the 99 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: block at the quarterback position. Yeah, I agree. Um So 100 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 1: if the ceiling for any of the quarterbacks in this 101 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 1: year's draft is let's say it's Kirk Cousins Derek Carr. Okay, 102 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:52,919 Speaker 1: is that good enough? Cousins isn't? See? I like I 103 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: did cards the same tier as Cousins, But he's the 104 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 1: class of that tier. Okay, you know what I mean, Like, 105 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 1: if we were doing a list, he would probably be 106 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: my tenth best quarterback in the league eleven, where Cousins 107 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: will probably be in the Tannehill fifteen neighborhood. Or you 108 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,239 Speaker 1: know what I mean. I think you can win super 109 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: Bowls with car I don't know that you can with 110 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: Cousins and Tannehill and those guys. So then you're saying, maybe, no, 111 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: those guys aren't. But I don't know that. See, and 112 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: I guess I will revisit this many times between now 113 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: and draft day. Is as we learned more about these quarterbacks. 114 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: They might not be as good at prospects as we've 115 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: seen in the past. But if they hit, I mean, 116 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: Willis has a really high ceiling. Yeah, I mean, you 117 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: know what I mean. He may not hit. I mean, 118 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: maybe there's a less chance that Willis hits than Lamar 119 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: hitting when they both came out of school. But if 120 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: they do, they're better than Cousins, you know what I mean, 121 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: even out to me, I mean or Strong, I mean, 122 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: could Strong be a dominant passer with some mobility? Could 123 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: be I mean, I I still think that the the 124 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: ceiling for those guys is higher than cousins for what 125 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: I know. And frankly, I know Pitt fans aren't gonna 126 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: like this. That's what worries me most about Picket is 127 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: his floor might be the highest, but his ceiling might 128 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: be the lowest. Yeah. I think I can agree with that. 129 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's maybe more of a finished product 130 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: and the other guys in this draft and and so 131 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: you look at that and go, Okay, you don't it's 132 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: not as much of a projection with that. I think 133 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: I know what he is. You know. Yeah, he's been 134 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: a lot of tape to go off of only one 135 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: year is really exceptional. But he's not overwhelming in other areas, 136 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: you know. So I don't know that he can be 137 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: a top five player in the at the position. You know. 138 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's possible for him. Yeah, Um, 139 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: I don't know that it is either. I think he's 140 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: I think he's a good prospect um, you know. I 141 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,559 Speaker 1: I the people was, you know, people say, well he 142 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 1: you know, he better numbers and Dan Marino at Pitt 143 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: that's apples and oranges, you know. Yeah, so did Alex 144 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: van Pelt? How'd that work? Out right, right, I mean 145 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: that then Bailey's appy should be the first pick in 146 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: the draft. Right. It's not all about them. It's not 147 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: all about numbers, you know what? Yeah, what can you do? What? What? 148 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,959 Speaker 1: What are you capable of? Um? You know? So, I 149 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:40,199 Speaker 1: don't know. I mean it's tough to look at guys. 150 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think I would be if 151 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: you could get a Derek Carr out of this draft, 152 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: I guess I would be okay with it. But you 153 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: better be able to to surround him with talent and 154 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 1: and I'm not even talking I'm talking about Derek Carr. 155 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: Like Town maybe he's a better leader than Derek Carr. 156 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: Not that Derek, I'm not saying Derek Carr, but that 157 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: that factors into it too. Yeah, a little bit more toughness, intangibles, 158 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: those type of things. Yeah, I mean, like, I guess 159 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: the question comes down to, if I could give you 160 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: rookie Derek Carr on his rookie contract for the twenty 161 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: pick in this draft, would you make that trade? Right now? 162 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: M I mean that means you're not taking a tackle. 163 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 1: Not taking a tackle, you're not taking an inside linebacker, 164 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: You're not taking something else. I guess you would. I 165 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: mean Carr was an early second round draft pick when 166 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: he came out, But that's not relevant now, right, That 167 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that's you know, if he were in this 168 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 1: draft where you go, knowing what you know, he'd go 169 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 1: first overall probably, right, So he's the top twelve quarterbacks, 170 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: so you take it. But there's also an argument to say, 171 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: I would rather take Willis and see if I can 172 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: get to be a top five guy, even though if 173 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: I miss, I lose, you know, I mean, door number 174 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: two has some appeal here. It does. Um, I just 175 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: don't know how much. Let's put put yourself in Kevin 176 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: Colbert's shoes right now. You've got a team with some 177 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 1: veteran players on it. The Cam Haywards, the T. J. 178 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 1: Watts to make of Fitzpatrick's g are guys that are 179 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,079 Speaker 1: aren't going to be along around ten years from now. 180 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: I think we can agree that that's that's going to happen. 181 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: You've got it, but you've you've got Najia Harris isn't 182 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: going to be around, you know, even say six years 183 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: maybe six years. Yeah, nobody's around Ted. I mean that's 184 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: the league. That doesn't work that way, right, unless you're 185 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: Frank Gore right, you know, So do you draft for upsideer? 186 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: Do you draft for immediate? Hey? This is you know, 187 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: we gotta we gotta win now. My rule of thumb 188 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: more and more is, if I'm going to add a quarterback, 189 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: I'm taking a cut to try to knock the ball, 190 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: not even out of the park, but I mean out 191 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: of the city. And if I miss, so be it. 192 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: But if I land the next Alan mahomes lamar, wow, 193 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 1: you know, I think I'd rather come to play a 194 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: couple of times and miss and go for the massive 195 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 1: upside guy. And before I really studied these guys, I 196 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: didn't want to like pigeonhole it, but I thought Willis 197 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 1: would be my number one quarterback because of that. You 198 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 1: know that there's so much He has the best tools 199 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,719 Speaker 1: in this draft. So I'm gonna draft tools and I'm 200 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: not gonna say he's my number one. I need to 201 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 1: find out more about his makeup and I want to 202 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: watch him a little more. And some of these other 203 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: guys are growing on me too, But I think I'm 204 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: rolling the dice to try to get you know, the 205 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: big hit there. Yeah, I can't argue that. What you 206 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: also then look at if you if you make that move, Um, 207 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:08,959 Speaker 1: you might just think for a year or two, right, 208 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 1: or he may never He might not be able to 209 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 1: see the field. I mean, he could be Trey Lance 210 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: sitting there for a whole year. It could Jordan's love, 211 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 1: you know, Jordan, you know, right, he could be There's 212 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 1: there's a lot of risking. Yeah, I don't know how 213 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: you balance that. That's gonna be It's gonna be fascinating 214 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 1: to see what the Steelers do and how they handle 215 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: that part of the equation. See, to me, that's a 216 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: beauty of Rudolph though, because you do have at least 217 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: a bird in the hand. It's not the most beautiful 218 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: bird in the whole aviary, but it's a bird in 219 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: the hand, you know what I mean. If worst case 220 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: scenario is Rudolph starts as a starter and maybe even 221 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: finish the year as a starter, while this guy blooms 222 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 1: or flourishes, I at least they're putting something out there 223 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: that I you know, that's that I least, No, you 224 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Yeah, the whole things You can 225 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: take a lot of different approaches to it. Because frankly, 226 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: if you gave me a twenty two year old Derek Carr. 227 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:12,839 Speaker 1: I would gladly ship you the twentie pick in the 228 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 1: draft for that. Yeah, I think so too, you know, 229 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: on a first round contract. That the problem is, I mean, 230 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: the Steelers haven't been quarterback shopping, brickly quarterback shopping in 231 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: almost twenty years, so you know, a generation of Steeler 232 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: fans have never seen this process happened before, no and 233 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: any of us. One of the funniest things I read 234 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: all the time, and I'm sure you've read it all 235 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: over the internet, is well, the Steelers won't be after 236 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: Watson Wilson Rodgers because that's not what they do. How 237 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: do you have any clue what they do. I'm not 238 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: saying there are going to be in the market for 239 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: those guys. I'm just saying none of us know what 240 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: their philosophy is to get a franchise quarterback because they 241 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: haven't done it forever. Yeah, I mean, they haven't had 242 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: to do it. Mean, it's it's a you know, two 243 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: years ago when people were banging the drum for this 244 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 1: other Steelers need to sign this guy or that guy, 245 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: they still at Roethlisberger. That's why it didn't make sense. 246 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: Then why are you signing a quarterback to be your 247 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: your your backup? Who might possibly he's gonna cost a 248 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: He's gonna cost your money and be you have the 249 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: camp space to do it. Who's who's gonna want to 250 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: come sit behind Ben Roethlisberger for a couple of years 251 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: because he never comes off the field. He's he's famous 252 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: famously doesn't come off the field. So you know nobody 253 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: was gonna sign up for that. Well, now you're in 254 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: a different spot big time. Yeah. I mean I think 255 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: we have we haven't talked a lot about this, and 256 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: I don't really think it's in the cards. But if 257 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: the cost for Russell Wilson was number twenty, next year's 258 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: first and the next year's third, I think I'm doing it. 259 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be more than that, though I 260 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: do too. I mean Stafford Stafford was too first, the 261 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: third in Jared Goff. Yeah, but some of that was 262 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: so you could take golf away. I mean they had 263 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: paid to get rid of golf. But Arnold Darnard was 264 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: a two and four and it never done any in 265 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: the world, and Wentz was a one in two threes 266 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: and I had one good year in his life. So 267 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: these guys are going to be more expensive than any 268 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: of us. Want to believe that much. I do think. 269 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: Plus they'll be a market No, yeah, I mean that's 270 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: the other part of the equation. You know what kind 271 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: of market was there for Carson Wentz Okay, was there 272 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: a big market for Matthew Stafford? I don't know. I mean, 273 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: how this year there's more, there's more quarterback needy teams, seemingly. 274 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: I mean, now now the Buccaneers are in the in 275 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: the mix. It's funny, almost the exact same thing. It's like, 276 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: could the Bucks say, yeah, we lose Gronk, but we're 277 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: still only two years removed from the Super Bowl. We're 278 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 1: a pretty old team. Will win this division for war 279 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: with Russell Wilson and what we have left? Take a 280 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 1: cup and take three first well, and we'll give it 281 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: a shot. Yeah. No, I wouldn't either, um, but the 282 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 1: Steelers don't seem too. That's one thing that I do 283 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: know is is that they don't like trading. They had that. 284 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,239 Speaker 1: I remember talking to Art Rooney a couple of years ago, 285 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: and I asked him when we talked to him after 286 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 1: the end of the season about the make of Fitzpatrick trade, 287 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 1: and he said he had to spend a lot of 288 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: time pacing to come to the decision to trade a 289 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: future draft pick for an established player because it was 290 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:37,360 Speaker 1: something his dad firmly didn't believe in. From since the sixties, 291 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: they hadn't done that because that's what got them in 292 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 1: trouble in the sixties, was trading away future draft picks. 293 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: It probably felt unnatural, you know, like, this is not 294 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: what we do. We've had great success drafting in the 295 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 1: first round. We have a tremendous GM and talent evaluator 296 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 1: that's going to land a great player at a at 297 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: a cost that we can deal with. But that's to me. 298 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: It was the beauty to make a deal that a 299 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: lot of people overlooked at the time was this guy 300 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 1: has cost controlled like crazy. You know, the Miami paid 301 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,959 Speaker 1: his bonus. Then he's not gonna hurt your cat very much. 302 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: And you had a year of you know, NFL film 303 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: to evaluate. Yeah, but trading for a veteran starting quarterback 304 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 1: is going to not only given up the draft picks, 305 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: but then you're gonna have to pay the contract. Yeah. 306 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:30,199 Speaker 1: I mean most of these aren't quarterback related, but a 307 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 1: lot of majority of the big deals have favored the 308 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 1: team's getting picks. I mean, like the Jamal Adams trade 309 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: was stupid to begin with, but even like as great 310 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: as Khalil Mack is, you probably rather have the couple first. 311 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: And because you gotta, you gotta trade for the guy now, 312 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 1: I gotta extend him to like not only you reach 313 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: it in one pocket and taking all my draft picks, 314 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: but then you're reaching the other pocket and take my 315 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: ability to make my team better through outside the organization. 316 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 1: That's really rough. I mean, it's you really have to 317 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,479 Speaker 1: think that guy is the difference Russell Wilson might be, 318 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I mean, if if again, 319 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,679 Speaker 1: if it's too first, I'm in. If it's for first, 320 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 1: I'm not. Yeah, yeah, Well you got me. Interesting. We'll 321 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,959 Speaker 1: continue to UH to talk about this and well everything 322 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 1: else that comes along on in terms of the Steelers 323 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:24,199 Speaker 1: and and the draft process, what happens with UH, with 324 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,679 Speaker 1: Kevin Colbert, what happens with the GM, all that stuff. 325 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a completely an off season of 326 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: unbelievable turnover for the Pittsburgh Steelers, who have been one 327 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: of the more stable franchises for a long long time 328 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: and have one because of that stability. Well now we're 329 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 1: seeing a little bit of unstability here and uh yeah, 330 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 1: interesting times, coaching hires left and right. This week there's 331 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 1: you know, you're at the Senior Bowl. We're gonna have 332 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: all kinds of draft stuff to talk about as well. So, 333 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: I mean, just when you think things are gonna get quiet, 334 00:19:55,359 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 1: if they don't at all, No, absolutely not. So anyways, um, 335 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for today's show. So for my 336 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: partner Matt Williamson, I'm Dale Lally. We appreciate you listening 337 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: to this edition of the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio.