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Speaker 1: Levels to.

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Speaker 2: This is an iHeart women's sports production in partnership with

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Speaker 2: Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on

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Speaker 3: Hey everybody, I'm your girl, Tarrika Foster Brasby.

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Speaker 1: What's up, y'all? I'm your girl Cheryl.

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Speaker 3: Swoops And this is the Levels to this podcast, the

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Speaker 3: show where we share that it's levels to the shit

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Speaker 3: that women go through. And we have got such an

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Speaker 3: incredible show lined up for you today. Today we are

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Speaker 3: talking to a special guest who quite literally shocked the

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Speaker 3: world with her performance. But first, Cheryl, Yeah, we've got

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Speaker 3: to catch up. Man, it's been it's been a while,

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Speaker 3: it's been a week. What's new with you? I mean,

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Speaker 3: I know that we certainly have some new things going

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Speaker 3: on in the world. We have new administration, we have

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Speaker 3: new basketball leagues that did well their opening weekend. There's

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Speaker 3: a lot of newness going on right now. What's new

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Speaker 3: with you?

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Speaker 1: Y'all have a new administration. Don't be I ain't got

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Speaker 1: shit to do with this.

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna do with that, nigga.

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Speaker 1: Listen, I'm laughing. As my mom used to say to

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Speaker 1: keep from crying.

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Speaker 2: Yes, tea, I don't know what to feel right now,

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Speaker 2: Like I'm angry, I'm sad, I'm scared.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna put optimistic in there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, these executive orders have been interesting, hunting interesting.

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Speaker 1: I was.

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Speaker 4: But I'm gonna tell you what I found to be

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Speaker 4: so funny.

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Speaker 1: Tell this is not gonna laugh.

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Speaker 4: You are gonna laugh. You're gonna laugh at this because

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Speaker 4: this is.

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Speaker 3: The only way, as your mom would say, and my

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Speaker 3: grandma would also say, you have to sometimes you have

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Speaker 3: to laugh to keep from crying. So my husband walks

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Speaker 3: in two days ago and he says what's going on?

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Speaker 4: And I said, hey, wife, how were you?

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Speaker 3: He was like, hey wife, yes, I said, yes, hey wife,

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Speaker 3: you didn't know.

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Speaker 4: And he's like, what are you know? Like he's looking

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Speaker 1: Like did I change?

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Speaker 3: And I said, oh, you haven't heard, And so he's like, no,

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Speaker 3: I haven't heard. I said, oh, well, your boy sign

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Speaker 3: an executive order that said that we have to now

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Speaker 3: address people by the sex that they were born, that

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Speaker 3: they were considered at conception. But considering that he ain't

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Speaker 3: got no scientists in a room, he probably doesn't know

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Speaker 3: that everyone is a female embryo at conception until several

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Speaker 3: weeks later when they developed their hormones to either be

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Speaker 3: male or female. So if girl have to address people

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Speaker 3: by the sex they were at conception, you, sir, at

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Speaker 3: conception was a woman, So how wife?

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Speaker 1: How are you?

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Speaker 5: He looked at me and said.

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Speaker 4: About nothing.

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Speaker 1: So that's true. That's true. That is so true.

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Speaker 4: So I'm just gonna I'm just gonna address every man

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Speaker 4: I see it. Hey girl, what's up?

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Speaker 1: Hey girl, Hey girl.

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Speaker 2: I just don't want to waste any energy on this

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Speaker 2: conversation because we have such a great show, but I

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Speaker 2: will say big you know WNBA Free Agencies happening, so

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Speaker 2: that should be really interesting, unrivaled. Opening weekend was really good.

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Speaker 2: I watched Opening Night, but I hadn't. I haven't gotten

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Speaker 1: It was good. AU is going on.

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Speaker 2: Yes, there's a lot of basketball stuff going on in

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Speaker 2: that that does excite me.

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Speaker 4: That's exciting.

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Speaker 3: I got excited when I joined this show today and

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Speaker 3: I noticed that me and Sheryl are very similar as

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Speaker 4: Today.

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Speaker 1: My name real cute, though relatively she will be cute. Later.

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Speaker 3: I think it's relative to about last because I think

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Speaker 4: It's a there we.

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Speaker 3: Go, and today we're actually gonna talk a lot about hair. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: because our guest is none other than Miss Armani Latimer.

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Speaker 4: And so you all may remember Armani as.

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Speaker 4: So let's go ahead and just take this to the

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Speaker 3: I am really excited about today's guests because there are

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Speaker 4: Your confidence down.

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Speaker 3: So I am incredibly excited to have Harmiani Laddimer with

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Speaker 3: really tore it up with the new style and it's

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Speaker 4: Now, Harmiani, I gotta tell you a secret, okay, because

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Speaker 4: I know Urel's not gonna know that I'm gonna bring

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Speaker 4: this up.

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Speaker 1: I bring this up.

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Speaker 3: A couple episodes ago, we had a conversation about what

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Speaker 3: versus what we actually are.

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Speaker 1: And need to be a Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 5: Oh my goodness, Well you know what. It's never too late.

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Speaker 5: Oh no, it's too late.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, no sense, it's way too late. Yeah, trust

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Speaker 2: Listen, Listen before we get into a serious conversation.

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Speaker 1: I've watched documentaries.

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Speaker 2: I know what y'all do, and after watching it, my

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Speaker 2: So trust me what I tell you. It is too late,

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Speaker 2: and I'm okay with it. I am living vicariously through you.

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Speaker 5: Okay about that?

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Speaker 1: Talk about that? Okay, that is the best.

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Speaker 2: But tee, I do need to say this before we

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Speaker 1: For those of you that missed it, please.

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Speaker 2: Go google because I know y'all can do that. Go

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Speaker 2: google this cis Rmani Latimer and.

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Speaker 1: See what she did. Let me just tell you.

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Speaker 2: How powerful, empowering, sexy, like all of those things, you

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Speaker 1: You brought it, and we are.

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Speaker 2: Giving you your flowers right now because it shouldn't be

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Speaker 2: something that we're celebrating, right It's part of life. But

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Speaker 2: saluted you and said thank you for being your authentic

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Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you so much, and thank you for having me.

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Speaker 5: I think I've had this conversation with plenty of people

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Speaker 5: about just wanting to start the conversation because, like you said,

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Speaker 5: it shouldn't be anything that you have to congratulate me about.

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Speaker 5: It should be a normal topic of conversation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, So how do we even begin because I think

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Speaker 4: It was like, what, but you were diagnosed with.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So when you're twelve, not too much throws you off.

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Speaker 5: alopecia universalis, so I grew up with that inside of

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Speaker 5: But also I'm still in school. I hear all of

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Speaker 5: You're thinking about college decisions and then you're in college

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Speaker 2: With is alopecia, right, not all the different types of alopecia.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean even from just that saying, not

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Speaker 5: I think that's something that you learn growing up. Like

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Speaker 2: Look at it and you see it, beauty is portrayed

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Speaker 5: And so once they're grown, once they're grown back, you're like, okay, great,

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Speaker 5: It's going to grow back. At that point, it's like

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Speaker 4: So I had done a big.

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Speaker 1: Accept it a girl?

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Speaker 4: And then then I tried it again.

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Speaker 4: Look at the yea.

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Speaker 3: Granted, they were probably looking at me like I love

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Speaker 4: Yeah right, But in.

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Speaker 4: This doesn't define you.

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Speaker 3: How did you develop a circle or a support system

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Speaker 5: Yeah. So my family obviously is my number one supporter

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's big to you have a follow up.

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Speaker 3: Well, actually, I was just gonna say really quick that

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Speaker 4: It says a lot about.

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Speaker 3: Who you are when you can go weeks with wigs

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Speaker 4: Girl, that means.

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Speaker 5: Shout shout out to her for real, because she's also

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Speaker 1: For real, for real.

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Speaker 2: So I have a question, and T maybe you can

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Speaker 2: But the educational part is does alopecia affect other races

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Speaker 5: I don't know statistics off the top of my head,

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Speaker 5: it does cause from history, from history, yes, it does

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Speaker 5: alopecia arieta, but like traction. Yes, there's alopecia that comes

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Speaker 5: There's different types of alopecia that affect our community a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll piggyback off that same thing. The Black community

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Speaker 3: Alopecia arieta is usually when your hair comes out in

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Speaker 4: So it's it's different thing.

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Speaker 3: And I know a lot of people Usually when I

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Speaker 3: as to why you felt the time was right in

443
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 3: December for the Might Cause My Cleats for you to

444
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 3: be able to bring more attention to alopecia.

445
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,399
Speaker 5: Yeah. So, like you said, My Cause My Cleats was

446
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,880
Speaker 5: going on, and the Dallas Cowbust cheerleaders decided to adapt

447
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,119
Speaker 5: that into our own so we have My Cause My

448
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 5: Boots and so for the past two seasons I've done

449
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 5: alopecia awareness, but I had really not tapped into all

450
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 5: that I could in my opinion of helping to raise awareness.

451
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 5: So one year I decided to film a video of

452
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 5: myself getting ready for game day without my wig on,

453
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 5: and I had to have my teammate posted and I said,

454
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 5: you're not posting this until right before we go out

455
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 5: for the game. That way, I can't check my phone.

456
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 5: I don't want to see any comments anything like that.

457
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 5: I just want to post it and then go out

458
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 5: and do what I love to do with just to dance.

459
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 5: And little did I note that video was gonna have

460
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 5: so much traction by the time I came back just

461
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 5: at halftime. By the end of the game, it was

462
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 5: ten times more that. And just knowing that I was

463
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 5: coming up on some of my last few games, I

464
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,919
Speaker 5: knew that I wanted to do something a little bigger.

465
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 5: And I had this voice in my head saying, you

466
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 5: can go bigger, you can go bigger. And I just

467
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 5: tapped into that voice and I said, you know what,

468
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 5: I can go bigger. And I saw a lot of

469
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 5: comments about people saying, oh, I think she would be

470
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 5: iconic if she would dance without a wig or you

471
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 5: guys should let her dance without a wig. And I

472
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 5: think it's funny that a lot of people think that

473
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 5: Kelly and Judy were not letting me dance with.

474
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,360
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, you do it.

475
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was like, no, they've been very supportive on

476
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 5: if I want to dance with a wig or without

477
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,120
Speaker 5: a wig. I did present it to Kelly Fanglass, our director.

478
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 5: I said, what do you think? This is my idea

479
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 5: and she said that if I was one hundred percent comfortable,

480
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 5: then she absolutely loved the idea. And from then I

481
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 5: just knew it was going to happen. And they kept

482
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 5: checking in on me and they're like, are you sure?

483
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 5: Are you okay? And I was like, if you guys

484
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 5: keep asking me, I might change my mind. So sing

485
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 5: more questions. But yeah, So that's just how it came about.

486
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 5: And my mom I was talking to her about this

487
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 5: the other day. She's like, I don't know if you remember,

488
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 5: but when you first lost all of your hair, you

489
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 5: lost it on a Saturday night before a Monday night

490
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 5: football game, and you were really worried about how you

491
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 5: were going to dance in a wig with no hair

492
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 5: on a Monday night football game. And then for me

493
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 5: to come back a few years later and dance at

494
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 5: a Monday night football game with no wig. She was

495
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 5: like that, that's just a godwig. Like nothing else could

496
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 5: have could have created that moment.

497
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I.

498
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 5: Didn't even remember that, So the fact that she remember

499
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,439
Speaker 5: that and pointed that out to me, I was in tears.

500
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 5: I was like, it was meant to be, honestly.

501
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 2: That's why even at the beginning I said, for me,

502
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 2: seeing that was such a powerful statement. Like people say

503
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 2: all the time, it's only hair. We can go get

504
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 2: a week, we can go get a wig. But if

505
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 2: you're someone like yourself, t who suffers from alopecia, it's

506
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 2: more than just hair, right. It is a statement, it's

507
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 2: a moment. It's you feeling, am I strong enough to

508
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 2: do this? Because you also have to think, and especially

509
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 2: in your profession, because you think of the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders,

510
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 2: which again is why I'm glad that was on my profession.

511
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 2: Because you think of the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders, and this

512
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 2: is why I wanted to be one.

513
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: You think beauty, hair.

514
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 2: Gorgeous dancers, legs, all of these things, and so for

515
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 2: you to feel power empowered enough and embolden enough to say,

516
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 2: I don't really care what y'all think, this is what

517
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do, and you're either gonna like it or

518
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 2: you're not.

519
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 4: But I love it.

520
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 5: Yeah.

521
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 2: Like, there are probably so many people who maybe you

522
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 2: won't even hear from, but so many people who felt

523
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 2: connected to you in that moment. What has the feedback

524
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 2: been like since that game?

525
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 5: Oh, it's been absolutely positive, overwhelmingly so, but in the

526
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:28,199
Speaker 5: best ways. I think, like we were saying earlier, the

527
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 5: conversation has become a lot more prevalent the longer that

528
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 5: you know, alopecia has been out there, and I think

529
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 5: this moment just jumped started even more of a conversation

530
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 5: just simply because we've seen men who are in the

531
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 5: public eye who have alopecia, and we've seen some people

532
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 5: like Jada Pinkett Smith in the news and all the things,

533
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 5: but never really in a moment such as this where

534
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 5: tons of people are literally sitting on their couches watching

535
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 5: a Monday night football game and they're like, Hey, are

536
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 5: y'all saying what I'm saying?

537
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 1: Did she lose?

538
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 4: Does something happen?

539
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 5: And then for the to come out of She didn't

540
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 5: lose her wig. She simply just has alopecia, and she

541
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 5: wanted to raise awareness. And I think that the way

542
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 5: that people really have just jumped and they're like, oh

543
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 5: my gosh, answer all these questions. I have a friend

544
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 5: that has alopecia. I actually grew up with someone who alopecia,

545
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 5: and I didn't realize it at the time, but now

546
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 5: I do realize that they're grown adults who are having

547
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 5: these conversations with their children. And I think that's just

548
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 5: the best part is everyone's trying to learn and figure

549
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 5: out what this is, how does it affect people that

550
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 5: I know? And I think that's just so beautiful that

551
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 5: it brings us together in that way, because there's so

552
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 5: many things in this world that can tear us apart.

553
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 3: Cheryl, I want to go back to something that you

554
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 3: said and ARMANI maybe this is different for you, but

555
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 3: I think for me, I am one of those people

556
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 3: who have become hair is hair now, Like I am

557
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 3: one of those people now who maybe when I was younger,

558
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 3: because I've had a head full of hair, it was

559
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 3: very long, all that good stuff, and so I used

560
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 3: to be one of those people who are very cognizant.

561
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 4: Now I am totally hair is hair.

562
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 3: I have friends who say to me all the time,

563
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 3: I really want to die my hair blue, but I'm

564
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 3: not sure how it looks.

565
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 4: Girl, Just do it. Go for it, because there's more

566
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 4: in the store.

567
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 5: If you don't want to dye your own, no, there's more, and.

568
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 3: You will be fined like I have such a I

569
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 3: don't want to say a love hate relationship, but I'm

570
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 3: saying I think I have to be very indifferent now

571
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 3: because I think the more that I put into it,

572
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 3: the more it may break my confidence that I don't

573
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 3: have it the way that I want it. So I

574
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 3: think for me, it's it's the idea of hair is hair,

575
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 3: Like there's so much of it, there's plenty of it.

576
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 3: I can change it when I want, I can do

577
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,959
Speaker 3: something different. You might see me on a show tonight

578
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 3: and I could be a complete blonde and love it

579
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 3: like I love the ability to interchange that.

580
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 5: Now.

581
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 4: Of course, we also got to have the face, right because.

582
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 3: Everybody, because faces don't lie.

583
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 4: Like that's the truth right there, right.

584
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 3: I don't know if your relationship with hair has changed

585
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 3: throughout this time, because Mine's totally did. Like now, I'm

586
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 3: just I will go and try anything because I've come

587
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 3: to learn that I am so much more than my hair.

588
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would definitely say the same for me, and

589
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 5: I've tried to wig with bangs. It's a lot easier

590
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 5: to dress up as a different character because by a

591
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 5: wig that looks like the character and boom, slap it on.

592
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 5: I was Toxic Cleopatrick for Halloween, so I had the big,

593
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 5: curly blonde wig on. I think because I've had to

594
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 5: go through this journey, Like you said, hair is hair now,

595
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 5: and if I continue to put so much emphasis on

596
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 5: not having my own hair, it's going to hold me

597
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 5: back as a person, and I don't ever want to

598
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 5: do that. I love my personality. I love being able

599
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 5: to be open and fun and bubbling with people. So

600
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 5: the fact that I have to change my mindset of

601
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 5: it is just hair, I think that's that's been a

602
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 5: lot healthier for me.

603
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, it's so inspiring.

604
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 2: Though I have days I'm like Tea, I will change

605
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 2: my hair up in a second.

606
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: They have this on right now in an hour, You're

607
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: gonna be like, dang, you already did that.

608
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 2: But the thing I will say is I'm not there

609
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 2: yet though, Like I don't want I don't even want

610
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 2: my husband seeing me without my wig, you know what

611
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 2: I mean, because I don't like what's underneath. So for again,

612
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 2: thank you. I'm just I'm thanking you for being you.

613
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: And doing what you did. It's it's so incredibly inspiring,

614
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: empower falling.

615
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, you and I have been best friends ever since,

616
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 3: even though you didn't meet me until today, We've had

617
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 3: best friends for a muff now. Sis, I've been like,

618
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 3: that's my girl.

619
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 5: I love it.

620
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 4: I am so I.

621
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 3: Was so so so so so so so happy, just

622
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 3: because again we just don't we don't see it. And

623
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 3: so I'm a huge football fan. My husband's an Eagles fan.

624
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 4: We hate the Cowboys, and so.

625
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 5: We just became best friends.

626
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: Done.

627
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 5: I'm like, look, I got little money behind me too.

628
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 4: That's him, that's him.

629
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 3: It's not me, it's not me. It was the best

630
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 3: thing in the world. And so of course when I'm

631
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 3: taking the video at first, he's like, I know you're

632
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 3: not about to show me no Cowboys video, Like what

633
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 3: are you doing?

634
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I think this is bigger than football.

635
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: This is bigger than football right now.

636
00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 5: Cheerleaders, I'm just showing you that.

637
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 4: I'm showing you women relax, like how you're doing. And

638
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 4: when he saw it and he saw you, he was like,

639
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 4: you like that? Don't you you like that?

640
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 3: Because he knows like how much I care about spreading

641
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 3: the word and getting people aware of alopecia in ways

642
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 3: that they can help. So before we get out of here,

643
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 3: I would love to know is there a program or

644
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 3: a partnership or is there something that you're currently doing

645
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 3: or working with or that you want to draw attention

646
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 3: to for people who may want to be more involved

647
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 3: and spreading awareness about alopecia.

648
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure. Go to the National Alopecia Arietta Foundation.

649
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,719
Speaker 5: Their website. They have so many links doctors who are

650
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 5: affiliated with the foundation as well, who talk about all

651
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 5: of the new products that are out. I think there's

652
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 5: three that have been FDA approved within the last few

653
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 5: years on like pills and supplements that have helped people

654
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 5: grow their hair back. If that's the direct that you

655
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 5: want to go to. They have a conference every year

656
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 5: and may or may not be there this year, so

657
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 5: we'll keep our fingers crossed. But yeah, I think that's

658
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 5: the big one. There's so many PECIA organizations within each state.

659
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 5: I know there's a big one in the DFW. There's

660
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 5: big ones in the DFW area. I'd simply just go

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Speaker 5: on Facebook or Instagram and type in alopecia and you

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00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 5: can find so many people who started these movements to

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Speaker 5: help people become more comfortable in their skin. And just honestly,

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Speaker 5: just get your own support system. At the same time, like,

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Speaker 5: while you're doing all this research and trying to find

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Speaker 5: your outside community, make sure you have an inside community

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Speaker 5: as well, because you can connect with people and they

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Speaker 5: can lift you up. But there's just some there's a

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Speaker 5: different connection with the people who genuinely know the ins

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Speaker 5: and outs of you and their love and their support

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Speaker 5: and what that can do for your healing, for your soul.

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Speaker 5: So always try and build that community up as well.

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Speaker 5: And I'll just say I kind of want to go

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Speaker 5: back to you, Cheryl, how you were saying about how

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Speaker 5: you haven't become that comfortable yet. I just want to say,

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Speaker 5: that's okay for anybody who's at that point, because it's

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Speaker 5: your journey. It's not my journey, it's not anybody else's journey.

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Speaker 5: You have to take every single step at the pace

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Speaker 5: that you are absolutely comfortable with, because if you try

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Speaker 5: to skip steps, that's what's going to be detrimental. So yeah,

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Speaker 5: that that's just kind of my little spiel.

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Speaker 4: I love that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I was going to ask you if you

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Speaker 2: had any advice, but you answered tease question and mine

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Speaker 2: all in one, so.

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Speaker 5: I was already in your brain you were.

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Speaker 1: That's why we be.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna put this question out there, and I know

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Speaker 2: she's not gonna answer it, but are the Cowboys gonna

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Speaker 2: be any better next year? Okay, you ain't got to

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Speaker 2: answer it, but I had to say.

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Speaker 5: You know, I have to say, I'd say it. Are

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Speaker 5: you not a Cowboys fan?

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Speaker 4: Either?

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Speaker 5: I do like the Texans. I am a Cabins fans

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Speaker 5: through and through.

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Speaker 1: Come Texans dancer.

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Speaker 5: Then I am a little bit jealous that you'll cheerleaders

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00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 5: got to dance with Beyonce? Very say about that?

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Speaker 1: How about all?

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Speaker 5: So I did tell my teavates, I said, I might

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Speaker 5: have to go in audition for the Texans really quick,

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Speaker 5: just to dance with Beyonce and then yeah, just for

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Speaker 5: Christmas and I'll be back.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's that was That was pretty special.

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00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't, but it was pretty special even just

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Speaker 1: to watch it.

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Speaker 5: So I don't know if the Cowboys are going to

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Speaker 5: be better next year, but you know, the Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 5: cheerleaders always win.

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Speaker 4: So always, always, always, always like always just fly. Yes,

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Speaker 4: just set the standard. It is is what it is.

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Speaker 4: You set the standard. Yeah, thank our money.

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Speaker 3: So appreciate you joining us and taking some time to

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Speaker 3: talk to us.

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Speaker 4: And we will be watching.

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00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 3: And following because clearly, of course, because you know that's

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Speaker 3: my best friend, y'all.

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Speaker 2: We're like, keep doing you sis, thank you, thank you,

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Speaker 2: thank you.

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Speaker 4: I love it.

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Speaker 5: Sure.

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Speaker 4: I almost pulled to you.

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Speaker 3: When HARMANI was telling us the story about just like

725
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 3: finding her circle and how her mom.

726
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 4: Realized that it was like five years to the.

727
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 3: Time where she was using her hair, I almost shed

728
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Speaker 3: a tear because that's.

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Speaker 1: Like that, don't be talking to you.

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Speaker 4: Because it was like that.

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Speaker 2: Just talking to her and hearing her story and she's

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Speaker 2: just strong, like she's a badass b h to me.

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Speaker 2: And I mean that in a good way, not a

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Speaker 2: bad way. I just I appreciate the conversation. I appreciate

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00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 2: the vulnerability. I don't know a lot of women who

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Speaker 2: would do what she did in their workplace. And she's

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Speaker 2: a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader, Like, there are standards, there are things.

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Speaker 1: That come with being a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader.

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Speaker 2: And I can only imagine how nervous she was to say,

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Speaker 2: I am performing tonight without all of this hair.

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Speaker 4: And my natural state. I love that.

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Speaker 1: And she was beautiful, strong, sexy. I was like, oh,

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00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 1: hold on a minute.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I loved every bit of that.

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Speaker 2: So I hope the people can really take something from

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Speaker 2: that conversation we had with her.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, we are every day redefining the standards of beauty

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Speaker 3: and I absolutely love that. And so with that, Cheryl,

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00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,439
Speaker 3: let's go ahead and level us up. Listen, I got

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00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 3: one for you today.

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00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,240
Speaker 2: And to you know, I'm really big on just quotes,

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00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 2: Like everywhere here in my she shd, I have affirmations,

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00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 2: I have stuff. So this one's gonna be really short

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Speaker 2: and sweet and also based off of our conversation that

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Speaker 2: we just had with OURMANI I'm going to show it

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00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 2: to you. I'm going to read it, but I'm going

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00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 2: to show it to you because I don't.

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Speaker 1: Know if you can see it. Can you see that

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Speaker 1: I can?

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Speaker 4: That's a good one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, y'all, it says, be you, do you for you.

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Speaker 2: I keep this sitting on my desk as a reminder

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00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:22,280
Speaker 2: to be me, do me for me, and I hope

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00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 2: those words because it's very simple but powerful. Continue to

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Speaker 2: be you and do you for you, and all the

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Speaker 2: rest of the shit will fall in line. And if

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Speaker 2: it doesn't, it ain't meant for you, period.

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Speaker 3: And that's just how we end in that because that's

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Speaker 3: that's it. That's a mic drop, and so it's that.

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Speaker 3: Thank you all so much for listening to Levels to this.

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Speaker 3: We will absolutely be back next week with more next

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Speaker 3: level conversations, just talking about.

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00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 4: The real shit that we go through as women.

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Speaker 3: But I tell you, guys this and I mean it

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Speaker 3: that this is not just our show, it is our show.

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Speaker 3: Leave us a review in Apple Podcasts. You can email

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