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Speaker 3: It is Fox Football Saturday with Kevin Figures and Adam Auslin.

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Speaker 5: those regular season shows that we just mailed in took

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Speaker 5: did before that never happened, That never happened. We have

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Speaker 5: a late Friday into Saturday morning episode of F and

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Speaker 5: A on FSR, including a great guest that we have

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Speaker 5: coming up in the second hour.

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Speaker 3: Kevin X of ESPN now out on his own Trey

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Speaker 3: Wingo joined us about a month or so ago.

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Speaker 2: I'd say Adam that a phenomenal job.

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Speaker 3: Has his own YouTube page covers the NFL, done a

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Speaker 3: lot of golf coverage on his show. There's been a

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Speaker 3: lot of news in the golf world between the PGA

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Speaker 3: and Live going on this past week. We're gonna get

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Speaker 3: into the NFL postseason, the coaching carouselam other things, with

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Speaker 3: Trey Wingo coming up in the second hour of the show.

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Speaker 5: Of course, we will be talking about the Steelers later

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Speaker 5: and how they have a coaching vacancy now, But first

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Speaker 5: we got to start with a team that may have

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Speaker 5: just had their coaching vacancy occupied. Maybe that's wrong, John Harbaugh.

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Speaker 5: We're still waiting to see the smoke from that chimney.

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Speaker 5: Is it official yet with the New York Giants not yet?

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Speaker 3: Still much to be discussed as of last reports on

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Speaker 3: NFL Network on Friday afternoon. Unless say, there's a hitch

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Speaker 3: or a snag in the negotiations. He's expected to be

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Speaker 3: the coach, but still the proverbial eyes need to be dotted,

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Speaker 3: t's needs to be crossed, and whatever other cliche you

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Speaker 5: What if he realizes camp Scataboo's ankle fell off and

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Speaker 5: he's an ampute at this point. If he knows he

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Speaker 5: doesn't have that guy anymore, that may hurt the deal

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Speaker 5: being consummated.

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Speaker 3: Well, far be here from me to hate on camp Scataboo.

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Speaker 3: I think he was an excellent player obviously in and

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Speaker 3: had a great rookie season before it getting injured. I'm

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Speaker 3: not gonna say he's replaceable, but generally, speaking of the NFL,

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Speaker 3: we know that running backs are kind of a dime

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but what about white running backs? Okay, now you

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Speaker 5: got me that guy.

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Speaker 3: Name another white tail back over the past twenty years,

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Speaker 3: and don't give me Peyton Hills because that's the easy one.

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Speaker 5: What do you mean that I should be able to

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Speaker 5: he was on the mat cover.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly why. All right, I heard you, Breed? Did

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Speaker 2: you say that to both of us? Are just me?

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Speaker 5: How long ago did Petros Papadaka's try out for the

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Speaker 5: New Orleans Saints? Was that two thousand and one or

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Speaker 5: two thousand and two that happened? Breed?

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Speaker 2: That was a long ass time ago.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I think they at least gave him, like, I

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Speaker 5: don't know, a cone drill or something. Now they put

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Speaker 5: him through. I think his medical history killed it, because

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Speaker 3: Also the fact that his foot exploded when he was

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Speaker 5: His foot also exploded. He might have had a similar

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Speaker 5: maybe not the guy who ran a four to three,

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Speaker 3: I would say, so Danny Wood had his one that

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Speaker 5: Was Travis Jersey within the last twenty years, I don't

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Speaker 5: think so Green Bay and the forty nine ers he

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Speaker 2: There you go. See now we're kind of getting into

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Speaker 2: tweet your territory because was Brad Hoover a fullback or

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Speaker 3: Mike alstart had to share of Carri's and was phenomenal,

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Speaker 3: But he was mostly a fullback for Tampa Bay, so

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Speaker 5: Mike Alstott had the thunder and lightning going with Warick

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Speaker 3: The allstock can blow your neck up as a blocker

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Speaker 2: Like he could do it.

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Speaker 5: He was special.

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Speaker 2: They just didn't ask him to what power.

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Speaker 5: I would say, yeah, I'm pretty much out. But we

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Speaker 5: have some white cornerbacks now again, Like it's Jason Seahorn

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Speaker 5: still playing a New York Giant Jess. There's a couple

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Speaker 5: who had a catastrophic injury in the preseasons. They had

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Speaker 5: him returning kicks back in ninety six. I think it was.

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Speaker 2: Right, and it ended up moving to free safety and

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Speaker 3: There's not been a white corner who's been as good

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Speaker 2: He could turn that's easy. I think that's easy now.

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Speaker 2: Cooper de Gene is very good, but he's also more

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Speaker 5: They reduced us to gadgets. Well you know that's what

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Speaker 5: they did. Oh you're roll Adham, stay in your lane.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, Cam's Kataboo, who knows what his future is

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Speaker 3: But John Harball all signs pointing to and look based

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Speaker 3: smiling with Joe Shane and the ownership, it sounds as

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Speaker 3: if this is gonna happen, and it sounds as if

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Speaker 3: this was an inevitable marriage. John Harball wanted this job,

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Speaker 3: and I know for a fact that the ownership with

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Speaker 2: Excuse me, John Harball.

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Speaker 5: I think their idea of a head coach goes back

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Speaker 5: to the last guy who really had success there, Tom Coughlin.

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Speaker 5: Before They've been through what four or five coaches the

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Speaker 5: Coughlin came in from Jacksonville, had plenty of success there

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Speaker 5: with an expansion team, took him to the AFC Championship Game. Really,

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Speaker 5: there was only one team or two teams better than

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Speaker 5: the AFC With Steepen Darren the Titans, Tom Coughlin, he

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Speaker 5: That's the stuff you have to identify. Now, obviously John

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Speaker 5: Harbaugh has won before. I have pointed out how fluky

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Speaker 5: that was. When they had Joe Flacco Colin Fluco getting

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Speaker 2: I'll give him credit for this, I don't.

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Speaker 3: I think it was Cam Cameron was the offensive coordinate

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Speaker 3: and their offense sucked that entire season, and it was

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Speaker 3: Jim Caldwell, who would later become the head coach of

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Speaker 2: Jim Calwell was a quarterback coach.

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Speaker 3: They fired Cam Cameron in like Week fourteen, elevated Jim Caldwell,

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Speaker 3: and their offense from that point on through the playoffs improved. Jim,

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Speaker 3: so John Harrible at least made the right decision in

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Speaker 5: That's fair. I'll give him that. And they were consistently

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Speaker 5: it was always them and the Steelers going back and forth.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, the Bengals were still there.

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Speaker 3: That was the red Rifle Bengals with Marvin Lewis, and

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Speaker 3: they never won a playoff game, but they won their

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Speaker 3: share of ten eleven win seasons.

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Speaker 5: You know he ain't gonna win with the ginger Jean?

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Speaker 5: Is it Cutch in Seattle? I'm looking at you next,

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Speaker 5: since apparently Donald's hair, Oh ginger cus, come on.

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Speaker 6: The ginger Jean?

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Speaker 5: Is it Cutch?

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Speaker 2: Who also seems to be building an excuse with the

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Speaker 2: oblique injury. Yes, that came out of nowhere, didn't it.

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Speaker 5: What is this abrowler oblique injury going on with Sam

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Speaker 5: Darnold Right before the biggest game of his life?

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Speaker 3: He got injured in a bye weekuess, Like, how do

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Speaker 2: How you get injured in the bye week? Sam? What happened?

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Speaker 5: Like if they do end up losing that game to

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Speaker 5: the forty nine ers, he already hasn't out. I wasn't healthy,

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Speaker 5: I wasn't right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, all due respect to you, Sam, you could

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Speaker 2: You don't need to use the oblique injury as an excuse.

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Speaker 5: That's fair. But it sounds like he's gonna give it

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Speaker 5: gonna dodge the game totally. Now, maybe if they get

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Speaker 5: We'll see, but I don't mind the higher I just

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Speaker 5: who profiles the same as Tom Coughlin, which is what

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Speaker 5: I think John Harbaugh represents to the giants. And when

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Speaker 5: just looking for more of the figurehead CEO type in

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Speaker 5: That's where the Cowboys were when they brought in Mike McCarthy,

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Speaker 5: And there are real similarities between Mike McCarthy and John Harbo.

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Speaker 3: Well, I will say Mike McCarthy was an offensive guru.

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Speaker 3: The problem was Jerry Jones didn't necessarily want to call

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Speaker 3: you have a young quarterback like a Jackson Dark who

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Speaker 3: needs to be cultivated. I don't necessarily mind there being

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Speaker 3: a CEO figurehead. Mike Rabold is a CEO figurehead. I

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Speaker 3: know he was a defensive coordinator in Houston some years ago,

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Speaker 3: but he doesn't call plays or anything. Jim Harbaugh granted

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Speaker 3: recent success, not here or there.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to the Chargers later, but has had his

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Speaker 2: run of success in the NFL, and he has been

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Speaker 3: He never called plays for anybody. He definitely hockey like

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Speaker 3: you can't. So it's not like it can't work.

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Speaker 5: Do you have philosophy, culture and identity that clearly shows

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Speaker 5: when you're with this team. You know what that team

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Speaker 3: Right, And then the pick key thing that people say

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Speaker 3: And so John Harball has had great success with many

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Speaker 3: them have not necessarily had the greatest tenure as head coaches,

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Speaker 5: Went through a meat grinder?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, his cats went after him.

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Speaker 3: So I certainly understand the logic behind it. But just

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Speaker 3: I think that's probably part of the package when you're

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Speaker 5: I need schemers, I need elite strategy. That's how we're

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Speaker 3: Well, I will say this too, we don't know what

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Speaker 5: I know his kicker missed that kick that got him fired. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because he clearly controls that, just like I don't know.

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Speaker 2: You know, I do think that the way the Giants.

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Speaker 5: I just this stuff hasn't ended up working a ton.

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Speaker 3: And I don't think they're paying him one hundred million

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Speaker 3: I think, well, you know, one way to humble yourself

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Speaker 2: Who knows when that's gonna be. Andy Reid, I think

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Speaker 5: does in the NFC East, where there's been a rotating

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Speaker 5: second team in that division that's been good every year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, where the Commanders last year? You know, uh, and

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Speaker 2: then you have the Cowboys jump back up.

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Speaker 3: I had a chance, right, Yeah, I don't think the

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Speaker 3: Cowboys are the Commanders are going anywhere once they actually

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Speaker 3: get healthy.

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Speaker 2: And they've wasted no time.

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Speaker 3: Cliff Kingsbury got fired, Like dan Quinn's not playing around,

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Speaker 3: so he's making he's not playing around after what happened

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Speaker 3: this past season despite all the injuries. So I think

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Speaker 3: that might end up shaping up to be a pretty

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Speaker 3: decent division. We have to see how the off season

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Speaker 3: goes in the draft and everything else. But uh, I

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Speaker 3: do think it's a great It's a great hire all

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Speaker 3: things considered for the New York Giants. They could have

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Speaker 3: done a lot worse, and I'm excited to see what

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Speaker 3: John Harball does out there.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 5: Coming up next are the Dodgers ruining baseball.

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Speaker 2: I didn't even play a season this next year. I mean,

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Speaker 2: what's the point.

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Speaker 5: Well, maybe there's some hope we can point too. Even

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Speaker 5: though we're in southern California and work at the Dodger station, sports.

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Speaker 2: So much hope that we can point to a new hope.

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Speaker 2: If you're a team that's not the Dodgers, All right,

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Speaker 2: talk about it coming up next here on fn A

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Speaker 5: Am I not supposed to talk about the elephant in

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Speaker 5: the room?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I think we made a huge mistake.

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Speaker 5: With huge boobs. Oh, we're talking about different. Now there's

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Speaker 5: a there's a movie on TV. I no, it's I

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Speaker 5: think it's the show Industry.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so multiple TVs here.

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Speaker 5: The hell or Mike Harmon and Jason Smith watching earlier.

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Speaker 5: This is almost portographic, but it's artistically done.

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Speaker 2: It is done, and for that reason we're going to

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Speaker 2: leave it on here on the Fox Sports Radio studios here.

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Speaker 5: In Sherman's, Califuna. That's educational.

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Speaker 2: So we were talking last segment about white tailbacks.

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Speaker 5: This is embarrassing.

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Speaker 2: How many great white tailbacks there have been in recent memories?

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Speaker 5: This is really embarrassing.

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Speaker 3: How do I, hell did I forget the one guy

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Speaker 3: who I vouch for to be the league MVP two

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Speaker 3: weeks ago on the show, Christian McCaffrey, who's playing this weekend.

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Speaker 2: By the way, here's the thing, how do I how

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Speaker 2: do I forget him?

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Speaker 5: See? I can say this, he might be so white

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Speaker 5: that we see right through him.

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Speaker 2: He's also though kind of a slot receiver at times.

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Speaker 5: Multipurpose yards are big with him, but he is a

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Speaker 5: great white tail bit.

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Speaker 2: He's a great tailback. Absolutely damn it.

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Speaker 5: So many people hitting us up with that. Were we

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Speaker 5: actually just rage debating intentionally forgetting about Christian McCaffrey. So

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Speaker 5: Niner Empire could come in here, you know, shaking their

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Speaker 5: fists at us.

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Speaker 2: That's for us to know what you guys to wonder, Yeah, you.

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Speaker 5: Think we could ever really be that stupid to forget

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Speaker 5: about Christian McCaffrey.

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Speaker 8: Well, my defense when I said Danny Woodhead, I thought

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Speaker 8: you guys had already mentioned CMC.

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Speaker 9: So that's why I want to say it again right now.

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Speaker 5: This part is definitely the BS here.

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Speaker 2: I swear, I just.

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Speaker 8: Didn't want to be like super obvious to be like, oh,

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Speaker 8: you guys must have brought that up, but I had

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Speaker 8: just walked back from back there, So that's my fault.

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Speaker 5: Are you buying this, Kevin, No, it's a good story.

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Speaker 5: I don't. I don't buy it at all. You're telling

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Speaker 5: me you weren't listening close enough to our show that

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Speaker 5: you're producing, and you thought we already said CMS.

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Speaker 8: I was like hoping that you guys had, and then

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Speaker 8: that like led into the other conversation.

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Speaker 3: In your defense, it will be so fairly obvious that

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Speaker 3: we would have mentioned Christian McCaffrey that she wouldn't have

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Speaker 3: to assume otherwise.

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Speaker 2: So I'll give you that one.

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Speaker 8: B I thought I had started with him and then

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Speaker 8: led into like other than him, who else was?

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Speaker 5: We just got caught up talking about Mike Alstock for

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Speaker 5: five minutes because he's dreamy looking. He was like a

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Speaker 5: bigger Brad Pitt back in the day. Look at his flat.

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Speaker 9: He saw that Huh, Mike who?

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Speaker 2: Mike Who? The guy that spent years running over your

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Speaker 2: saying you mean who? You don't know who? Mike collstot Is.

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Speaker 2: Look him up. I was built like a tank, to

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Speaker 2: quote the great Robert Or you better read a paper

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Speaker 2: or something, Bri Come on now.

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Speaker 5: He was like if he showed up to fight club,

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Speaker 5: everybody would have rather beaten themselves exactly just to avoid

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Speaker 5: fighting him.

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Speaker 2: Kick him my own ass, Like all right, I'll coop.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we do have something to talk about here that's

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Speaker 5: very concerned to the baseball public.

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Speaker 2: Baseball is over nationally.

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Speaker 5: Nationally, people are very upset about this. I don't know

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Speaker 5: if we necessarily are upset about this.

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Speaker 2: No, whether it was a Dodger fan or not, I

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Speaker 2: wouldn't be upset about this.

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Speaker 5: Wait a second, Wait a second. See this is where

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Speaker 5: I think there's some bs going on. Of course, Dodger

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Speaker 5: fans are fine with them getting Kyle mother Tucker.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I'm not a Dodger fan. People know

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Speaker 2: that I.

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Speaker 5: Thought you were half half anything. No, I thought you

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Speaker 5: are half Dodgers, half Angels.

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Speaker 2: Here you've never seen me wear a half Dodger half

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Speaker 2: Angel jersey.

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Speaker 5: Okay, but I have seen some Dodger hats out there

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Speaker 5: that now say villains with the LA in the middle,

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Speaker 5: because they're embracing being the new evil Empire. Because they

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Speaker 5: definitely have taken that the New York Yankees.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like over the last two to

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Speaker 2: three years they kind of already have.

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Speaker 5: They've taken every player, and they've taken that Moniker.

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Speaker 3: The fact that you get Edwin Diaz and you get

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Speaker 3: Kyle Tucker pretty much the highest out after reliever and

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Speaker 3: the highest south after a bat in the free agency

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Speaker 3: and you snag both of them.

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, by the way, they've won back to back championships.

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Speaker 5: If you guys didn't know that already, and they were

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Speaker 5: heavy favorites to win this past year and they did eventually.

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Speaker 2: Yes, eventually, And see that's the point, because that's the thing.

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Speaker 2: First of all, I'll admit there are haves and have

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Speaker 2: not to Major League Baseball. And for people that try

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Speaker 2: to defend the Dodgers and say everybody can do what

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Speaker 2: they're doing is total bs and you're lying.

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Speaker 5: Okay, your line, I like this part line.

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Speaker 2: The Dodgers ownership group, Guggenheim Partners three hundred and fifty

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Speaker 2: billion dollars in assets.

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Speaker 5: You can't compete.

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Speaker 2: Nobody can match that.

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Speaker 5: They're a syndicate. They are a group of rich guys altogether.

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Speaker 2: Not only that, no one could stop a group of

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Speaker 2: which they're rich guys all together.

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Speaker 5: I was about to say something else.

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Speaker 3: Please Family Show here at eleven thirty pm Pacific time.

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Speaker 2: Their Family Show on the TV. They're TV deal.

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Speaker 3: They give three hundred and thirty million dollars per season

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Speaker 3: on their tea. That's independent of any other ticket concessions.

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Speaker 2: All the money Old Tany's making them god knows how

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Speaker 2: much overseas and everywhere else.

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Speaker 5: So you're saying there's even levels to billionaires. Now, really,

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Speaker 5: when people bring up Cohen with the New York Mets, well,

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Speaker 5: you could spend a bunch of money too. There are

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Speaker 5: levels to this. There always are. I used to say

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Speaker 5: this back in the day with Barry Bonds and with

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Speaker 5: Lance Armstrong. Yeah, other guys were cheating.

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Speaker 2: Levels of cheating. Yeah, they took it much further, absolutely,

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Speaker 2: to the point where you can't just say everybody was

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Speaker 2: cheating because they were doing stuff that nobody else was doing. Absolutely,

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Speaker 2: absolutely so.

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Speaker 3: In this situation with the Dodgers, the fact that they

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Speaker 3: they have every single penny of their payroll generally speaking,

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Speaker 3: over the last couple years, I don't know where it's

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Speaker 3: gonna end up sitting this year is all covered by

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Speaker 3: their TV contract.

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Speaker 2: All the extra money that they make can go to

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Speaker 2: wherever else, all their infrastructure, everything else within their front office,

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Speaker 2: they can use it. They don't even need it. All

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Speaker 2: that money can go.

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Speaker 3: All their TV money can help subsidize their payroll. Now,

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Speaker 3: with that being said, having the highest payroll doesn't guarantee

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Speaker 3: you a damn thing.

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Speaker 5: No, it does not.

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Speaker 3: As evidence by the fact that do you know how

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Speaker 3: many times over the past twenty five seasons, the team

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Speaker 3: with the highest payroll has won the World Series at

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Speaker 3: him three.

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Speaker 2: You are correct, Are you serious?

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Speaker 5: I didn't know I was that smart.

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Speaker 2: Great kid. Don't get tacked. Two thousand nine Yankees and

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Speaker 2: the Dodgers the last couple of seasons.

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Speaker 5: That totally makes up for the Christian McCaffrey game. Yes, absolutely,

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Speaker 5: you're right on top of it. So it was the

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Speaker 5: other one the Dodgers and New though nine Yankees. That

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Speaker 5: was the Mark tserra cc Sabathia. And how many years

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00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 5: did the Yankees have the highest payroll and they didn't

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Speaker 5: win squad from two thousand and one till two thousand

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Speaker 5: and fifteen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they won one time. They won one time,

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00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 3: So it doesn't guarantee a thing.

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Speaker 2: And even within that, so even go back to twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four, if you remember, the Dodgers were down two

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Speaker 2: games to one in the NDS to the San Diego Padres.

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Speaker 2: They had to win two straight games, and I think

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Speaker 2: they won Game five, three to one, and they had

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Speaker 2: a couple of home runs with Kiki Hernandez and Tayo Hernandez.

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Speaker 2: I think was the difference. It wasn't Mookie and Freddy

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Speaker 2: and those guys who did it.

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Speaker 5: They won Game four with their backs against the wall

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Speaker 5: in San Diego in a ball pen game.

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Speaker 3: Right fast forward this past season NLDS Philadelphia Phillies Nicktuck Series.

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Speaker 2: How did they win that series?

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Speaker 3: Because the pitcher threw the ball home when he should

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Speaker 3: have just threw it the first base And how a

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Speaker 3: thumb out? And who knows how that series ends if

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Speaker 3: that doesn't happen. He doesn't have a giant brain. Fart

662
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Speaker 3: fast forward pass. Yes, they walked over the Brewers. Fine,

663
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Speaker 3: I'll give you that one.

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Speaker 5: Well, the Brewers had the best record in baseball by

665
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Speaker 5: the way, Hey, Dodgers dismantled them.

666
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Speaker 2: They did. Now you go to the World Series against

667
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Speaker 2: the Toronto Blue Jays, who had fifteen thousand opportunities in

668
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Speaker 2: Game six and Game seven to beat the Dodgers, and

669
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 2: the Dodgers really off the backs of their defense and

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Speaker 2: role players like Miguel Rojas.

671
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Speaker 5: Well, how much does he make a season. It's got

672
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Speaker 5: to be like one hundred million, right, like four.

673
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Speaker 3: He's one of the lowest paid players on the team

674
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Speaker 3: who has any sort of measurable.

675
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Speaker 2: Major league experience.

676
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Speaker 5: Go back to a shanty.

677
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 3: The only thing in Major League Baseball that having a

678
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Speaker 3: lot of money like the Dodgers have does is it

679
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 3: gives you a wider margin for error. Yes, it does

680
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,239
Speaker 3: not guarantee you a damn thing. So this idea that

681
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Speaker 3: you need to have a salary cap and things aren't fair,

682
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Speaker 3: could it be more fair or more equal to a

683
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Speaker 3: certain degree. Yes, is it something that Baseball should look at.

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Speaker 3: If anything, I think they should try to find a

685
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Speaker 3: way to disincentivize small market teams from having these low

686
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Speaker 3: payrolls and.

687
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Speaker 2: Not even competing.

688
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Speaker 3: Find a way to incentivize those teams to see if

689
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Speaker 3: they can bring their floor up, not bring the Dodgers

690
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Speaker 3: and everybody else at the top down.

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Speaker 2: That's the issue. To me, I.

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Speaker 5: Agree with you. I also think it's gonna fall on

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Speaker 5: deaf ears if in a year from now we're looking

694
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Speaker 5: at a crisis and a baseball strike because of all this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 5: Now, if the Dodgers again, they were two outs away

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Speaker 5: from losing Game seven in the World Series, and when Bobashet,

698
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 5: Boba Fet Bobashet hit that home run early on, I

699
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 5: think in the third inning, I truly thought it was over.

700
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Speaker 5: They had all the momentum they were going to win.

701
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Speaker 5: It was that close. It was epic. It was the

702
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Speaker 5: best World Series since twenty fourteen. Giants in Kansas City Royals.

703
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Speaker 5: So the margins are slam and even with that big

704
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Speaker 5: payroll that they have, and some of it's deferred money,

705
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Speaker 5: so you really can't even just look at their payroll

706
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Speaker 5: what's on the books for this year when you have

707
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Speaker 5: all this deferred money that's not being counted for right

708
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Speaker 5: now with guys that are playing right now. They still

709
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 5: had a chance to lose, as you point out, same

710
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Speaker 5: last year against the Padres. They were right there. In fact,

711
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Speaker 5: if the Yankees don't blow Game one of that World Series,

712
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Speaker 5: I think it could have gone the other way. But

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Speaker 5: that defined it the Freddie Freeman home run. You're saying

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Speaker 5: there's a chance they could still lose this season after

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Speaker 5: getting Kyle mother Tucker.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, are you sure?

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Speaker 5: Fortifying every weekness they have Michael Confordo was a hell

718
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Speaker 5: of a weakness last year. They had to overcome that matter, No,

719
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Speaker 5: and they had that late season swoon, Max Mountsy injuries.

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Speaker 2: We've seen this happen a lot.

721
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Speaker 3: There was that Yankee team and I forget what year

722
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Speaker 3: it was they played the Detroit Tigers who came out

723
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Speaker 3: of nowhere. It was Jeremy Bonderman, it was a young Verlander.

724
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Speaker 3: The Yankees had quote unquote the best lineup in the

725
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Speaker 3: history of the sport, and I think they lost in

726
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Speaker 3: four games or something to the upstart, young Detroit Tiger

727
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 3: team that had no experience because they kind of got

728
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Speaker 3: hot at the right time.

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Speaker 5: Was that in twenty twelve when the Giants beat the Detroit.

730
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Speaker 2: Was earlier than that, I believe. I think it was

731
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Speaker 2: earlier than that.

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Speaker 5: Verlander was throwing like one O three at that exactly.

733
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Speaker 2: It was him.

734
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Speaker 3: It was They had a guy named Joel z Amaya

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Speaker 3: who could throw a thousand miles an hour. They had

736
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Speaker 3: a bunch of firearms in the back end of their bullpen.

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Speaker 5: Back a fastball to spring.

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Speaker 3: Baseball is similar to hockey, where a team gets hot

739
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Speaker 3: at the right time.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter who the best team is.

741
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Speaker 3: Once the postseason starts, you kind of have to reset

742
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Speaker 3: everything at zero.

743
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Speaker 2: It's just different. Basketball is different.

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Speaker 3: You only have five players on the court, and if

745
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 3: you stack a roster with Klay Thompson and Steph Curry

746
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Speaker 3: and Kevin Durant, you ain't losing unless those guys get hurt.

747
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Speaker 5: Which is what happened for them to have to lose

748
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Speaker 5: in twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 3: Right, it's a different sport, it's built differently. There's too

750
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Speaker 3: many movies, correct when it comes to baseball. Too many

751
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 3: things have to or right and or wrong. You know,

752
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 3: it's I always say, that's an individual sport wrapped around

753
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 3: a team sport.

754
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 2: It's the pitcher versus the hitter.

755
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Speaker 3: If you want to with the catcher in there, sure,

756
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 3: but it's really just kind of a series of guys

757
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 3: going one on one.

758
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Speaker 5: Where did the trash cans fit in for Houston?

759
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 2: Exactly?

760
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Speaker 3: Thankfully for Kyle Tucker, he was a minor leaguer when

761
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 3: the Houston Nationals won at twenty seventeen. So that's something

762
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 3: the Dodgers don't have to worry about it.

763
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Speaker 5: No, I was wondering about that if they were gonna

764
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 5: have some smoke for Kyle Tucker since he used to

765
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Speaker 5: play for the Astros.

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00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 2: Oh, he got called up a year later.

767
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Speaker 3: So look, if you're someone who's not a Dodger fan,

768
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Speaker 3: I understand your frustration. I understand why you would be upset,

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Speaker 3: but just know this, it does not guarantee a damn thing.

770
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Speaker 3: Despite the fact that Dodgers won the last two World Series.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it was not easy. Okay, it was not a walkover.

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Speaker 5: But Kevin, yes, what if this is the year where

773
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Speaker 5: it does look like a foregone conclusion. Let's say the

774
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Speaker 5: Dodgers win one hundred and seventeen games, what's the all

775
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 5: time record? Won sixteen from the Mariners two thousand and one, who,

776
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 5: by the way, lost to the Yankees. Didn't guarantee them anything,

777
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Speaker 5: but that was kind of a magical run. It wasn't

778
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Speaker 5: just about the talent or the payroll. They were playing

779
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 5: probably above their heads at times.

780
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Speaker 2: Woh no, they have some great talent on that team.

781
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Speaker 2: I mean, Randy Johnson was on that team.

782
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Speaker 5: But it was this, this Dodgers run. Right now, they're

783
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 5: looked at as the evil empire. Seattle wasn't looked at

784
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 5: as that. If they do win one hundred and seventeen

785
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Speaker 5: plus games and then win one or lose one or

786
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 5: two games in the playoffs, then people might look differently. Yeah,

787
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 5: well then it could get a little bit gross. Then

788
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 5: it could be more understandable why people are upset. But again,

789
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 5: is this the Dodgers' fault? Ultimately, they're doing this within

790
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 5: the rules. You can say they're more equipped to take

791
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 5: advantage of the rules. Sure, but like I started here,

792
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Speaker 5: if it's your team, it's great, it's fine. There's real

793
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 5: hypocrisy and double standards here. Depending on what side you're on,

794
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 5: everybody else is gonna look at it as they're stacking

795
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 5: the deck. If you're the Dodgers and you're their fans,

796
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 5: you're saying, first of all, we got cheated out of

797
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 5: a World Series in twenty seventeen, we should have won

798
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Speaker 5: all these other times you guys downplayed our twenty twenty

799
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Speaker 5: World Series Mickey Mouse. So yeah, everyone, now we're beating

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Speaker 5: everyone's ass. Now we're taking names unapologetically.

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00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand.

802
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 5: I think they should embrace the villain role. Yeah, and

803
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Speaker 5: I do like the idea of them raising the bar

804
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 5: for everybody else to have to catch up.

805
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 2: I agree, catch up and look, and the Mets almost

806
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 2: had Kyle Tucker. That's what Stephen Cohen's been doing.

807
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Speaker 3: And he's he's been on the record and saying like,

808
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 3: I want to do what the Dodgers have been doing.

809
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 2: I want to follow their model. That's why the Mets.

810
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 3: I believe the Mets have the best minor league system

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00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 3: right now while also trying to spend money on the

812
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 3: major leagues. They're trying to do what the Dodgers are doing,

813
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 3: be able to bring in free agents and fortify young

814
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 3: talents so we can have sustained success for decades to come.

815
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 3: So they haven't actually had that success quite yet, but

816
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 3: that's what Stephen Cohen. So that's what the smart organizations

817
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 3: should do. You should want to model yourself after the Dodgers,

818
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 3: not sit there and have a five million dollar pay

819
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 3: roll at the White Sox.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, Mark, what is true?

821
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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 5: Fair enough and again full disclosure. Kevin and I work

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Speaker 5: at the Dodger station A five seven e LA Sports.

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Speaker 5: I did see this from David Vassi a little bit earlier.

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00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 5: He said, just a reminder, it was the small market

826
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 5: Brewers that had the best record in the National League

827
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Speaker 5: last season. It was the Padres that finished only three

828
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 5: games behind the Dodgers in the NL West. The Jays

829
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 5: were two outs away from winning the World Series. Other

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Speaker 5: teams do have a chance. The teams in twenty twenty

831
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Speaker 5: four and twenty twenty five had the opportunity to ko

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Speaker 5: the Dodgers. The last two.

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Speaker 2: Seasons couldn't say it better myself.

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Speaker 5: We'll see if it happens this year.

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Speaker 2: What's coming up next?

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Speaker 5: We got some geek news for you. What's Old is

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Speaker 5: New Again? One of our favorite video games ever is

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Speaker 5: getting a nip tuck like makeover, a bit of a facelift.

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Speaker 5: We'll talk about it next in geek News Here on

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Speaker 5: F and A on FSR.

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Speaker 3: FNA Cottonna back on Fox Football Saturday with Kevin Figures

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Speaker 3: and Adam Alselin. Not a lot of time, Adam, let's

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Speaker 3: get to geek newss Loan Glan.

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Speaker 4: You're playing D and D to you want.

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Speaker 5: To come cases?

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Speaker 1: What's up guys, because we're all won't be chosed that.

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Speaker 2: I've been chying online with Babs called just keep a

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Speaker 2: power close up town right?

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Speaker 5: Who said kennelmnon love You didn't know? Nostalgia is in

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00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 5: high demand these days. So is the show industry.

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Speaker 2: Apparently. We'll say you what you don't say. How they

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Speaker 2: have they're remaking movies that were made originally five years ago,

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Speaker 2: and they're already remakes.

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Speaker 5: Member Barry's rule all. It's not what you do in

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00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 5: life that matters, it's just how you remember it or

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00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 5: how you remember certain events and that kind of colors

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00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 5: your opinions and informs your analysis on situations. I love

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Speaker 5: the Twitter account or x account super seventy Sports.

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Speaker 2: Pretty good, isn't it.

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Speaker 5: But it's also a lot of nostalgia based.

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Speaker 2: Very snarky takes shots at the modern day, which I'm

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Speaker 2: here for.

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Speaker 5: So they put up a picture recently, the guy that

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Speaker 5: does this of Minutabull and Muggsy Bows standing next to

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00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 5: each other where Washington Bullets uniforms as they were on

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Speaker 5: the team together briefly, I think, and he was highlighting

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Speaker 5: the diversity of the play style in the NBA, where

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00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 5: you could have this seven to seven guy and then

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00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,919
Speaker 5: a five to three guy, and the NBA was better

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Speaker 5: in the nineties. And someone commented underneath it, this guy,

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Speaker 5: Jamie A. Rose. He said, Minute Bowl was the tallest

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00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 5: player in the history of the NBA and Muggsy Bogues

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00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 5: was the shortest. Both of them were amazing players who

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00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 5: could take Lebron's pansy ast to school.

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Speaker 2: And it's just like so.

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Speaker 3: As I saw that someone from back then would say, yeah.

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Speaker 5: Come on, man, like I'm sorry. They were fun to watch.

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00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 5: Lebron would destroy both of them. There's a famous clip

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Speaker 5: of Jordan being DD.

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00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 2: Short Star warn all these defenses today. Brother.

881
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,720
Speaker 5: Let me tell you, I'm sure Michael Jordan had muggsy

882
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 5: on him for a play where he was like begging

883
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 5: for a foul and then eventually got a legal defense

884
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 5: to be called because he got isoed and could pull

885
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 5: the defense one direction. He's just going one on one

886
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 5: and back. Then nobody could come on over and help

887
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 5: and just guard space like you can today. Michael Jordan

888
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 5: got to ISO as much as he wanted to. Today's

889
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 5: defenses are far more sophisticated than that, but hey, nostalgia.

890
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 5: Nostalgia also comes in the form of video games, where

891
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 5: there have been a lot of remakes with old school

892
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 5: games with somewhat modernized graphics. Sometimes like how they gave

893
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 5: us a new Double Dragon. I don't know if Linda

894
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 5: lash was in that one, the purple jumpsuit girl with

895
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 5: a whip not a car. We got that Street to

896
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 5: Rage four that dropped a few years back, a new

897
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,760
Speaker 5: Ninja Turtles game, Shredder's Revenge. There was a Final fer

898
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 5: seven remac remake. Yeah, I'm sure there was. I didn't

899
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 5: like the new Final Fantasy seven by the way, not

900
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 5: enough strategy RPG to it. But they also reduced the

901
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 5: size of Tifa's boobs and some didn't like that. They

902
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 5: thought it was a crime. They want the pixelated boobs

903
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 5: back instead they made it too realistic. But in this

904
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 5: latest nostalgia, as you hear the music here, they are

905
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 5: remastering another franchise we have a fondness for on this show, Kevin,

906
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 5: Echo the Dolphin. Let's go now. Apparently I missed it.

907
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 5: There was an announcement last year that the original creator

908
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 5: is gonna bring it back and do so with remasters

909
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 5: of the first two games, Echo the Dolphin and Echoed

910
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,959
Speaker 5: the Dolphin The Tides of Time, and then they're gonna

911
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 5: make an all new third game. So I guess there

912
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 5: already was though a third game for the Dreamcast back

913
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 5: in the day, but nobody had it and it wasn't

914
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 5: done by the same company that did the original one

915
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 5: for Sega Genesis. It was called Echo the Dolphin Sentinels

916
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 5: of the Universe or something like, so.

917
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 2: It was like dolphins in space, What the hell does

918
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 2: that mean? Sentinels of the Universe.

919
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 5: But there's gonna be a new Echo.

920
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 3: I'm here for it now. Is this killer will Homie

921
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 3: gonna be with them because that was my favorite character

922
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 3: to us in the second one.

923
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,720
Speaker 5: I don't know if I got that far. Honest, Echo

924
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 5: was hard.

925
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 2: It was.

926
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 3: It was not an easy game at all. The original one.

927
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,280
Speaker 3: Second one, actually I thought was a little easier.

928
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 5: It was.

929
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

930
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 5: See, I wanted to go from the first to the second,

931
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 5: and I'm kind of a completionist and I felt like

932
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 5: I had to do the first one to finish it.

933
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 5: So I never got to the tides of time. But

934
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 5: I was captivated and still am by the graphics, the controls,

935
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 5: the music, the different marine life you get. There was

936
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 5: a shark in there that you fought. It was like

937
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 5: a boss level. It's a great game. I'm glad they're

938
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 5: remaking it. Others will find out the truth about how

939
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 5: good Echo of the Dolphin is.

940
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Speaker 3: I don't think that Echo of the Dolphin would actually

941
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 3: win a fight in real life against the shark though,

942
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 3: So that's a fantasy there for you.

943
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,439
Speaker 2: More on FSR coming up next.

944
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Speaker 10: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio Hour two of

945
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:46,720
Speaker 10: Fox Football Saturday.

946
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 3: Here on FSR, Kevin Figures Adam Alstin with you guys.

947
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 3: Hit us up on next at KFIG one and at

948
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 3: follow Adam A.

949
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 5: Don't worry, guys, you got our full attention.

950
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 2: Now.

951
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 5: Bree went in with the parental restrictions and turned off

952
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 5: industry with all the new unity. I swear shows like

953
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 5: that in Euphoria. Remember Spartakiss Blood and.

954
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 2: Boob or blood and boobs as some people called it.

955
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 2: Lucy Lawless was in it.

956
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 5: They're just trying to be as provocative as possible and

957
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 5: just selling sex.

958
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 2: It's all is.

959
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 5: Would that work for us?

960
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 2: That's probably not all right.

961
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 5: I guess we gotta sell sports that here. Coming up,

962
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 5: I'm gonna tell you this, Trey Wingo is coming on,

963
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 5: formerly from the Evil four Letter, was there for twenty

964
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 5: three years and was the host the OG host for

965
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 5: NFL Live. And I don't think they have held up

966
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 5: the standard since No. He's the best of the best.

967
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 5: He'll be coming on with us in the very next segment.

968
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 5: But Kevin, I think it's appropriate that we play this

969
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 5: sound here for our next subject. One of the headlines

970
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 5: on the announcement of starting quarterback.

971
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 3: Sorry, Adam, but our guy nature boy, who listens as

972
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 3: a big Fox Sports radio listener, just tweeted, I guess

973
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 3: he just put me on this check. He said, Chuck

974
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 3: Nevitt could have school Lebron James with a picture of

975
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 3: Chuck Nevitt from Hugh standing next to my new bowl.

976
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 5: What's so funny, Kevin? Is it the high shorts? Is

977
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 5: it the fact that it looks like, you know, he's

978
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 5: a door to door salesman or something?

979
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,760
Speaker 2: And I will say all the above, Adam, Yeah.

980
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 5: I can say that I'm white power. I'm sorry the

981
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 5: game has changed for the better, You nostalgia nerds. You

982
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 5: forgot what it actually looks like when you watch the

983
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 5: full forty eight minutes of tape and not just highlights

984
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 5: from back in the day.

985
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I don't think Chuck Nevit could school Jackson

986
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 2: Hayes right now. To be honest with you, then, no,

987
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 2: disrespected Jackman.

988
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 5: We got a guy in Victor Wemanyama who is hitting turnaround,

989
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 5: fade away three pointers literally right now with the shaved head.

990
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 2: Yep.

991
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,439
Speaker 5: And we're talking about the past. Why are we talking

992
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 5: about old s? Victor wemen Yama is doing things these

993
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 5: guys kind of never dreamed of doing.

994
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 3: Things were so much better back then when the final

995
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 3: score of games was seventy five to seventy two when

996
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 3: there was like, you know, eighty possessions a game and

997
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 3: guys just dribbled the ball into the ground for twenty

998
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 3: two seconds before chucking up a shot.

999
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 5: Well, you know what they'll say to that, though, is well,

1000
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 5: they played defense back then, that's why. And then when

1001
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 5: you tell him, like in the eighties teams averaged one

1002
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 5: hundred and ten points per game while not even utilizing

1003
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 5: the three point line, how much defense was really being played?

1004
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 11: Right?

1005
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 5: Sure, seemed like the Detroit Pistons were the outlier, and

1006
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 5: that's why everybody came to know them so well. They

1007
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 5: were the bad boys for a reason. They were disrupting

1008
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 5: everybody else's park rec game or YMCA game going on

1009
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 5: where they just rolled the ball out there, ran up

1010
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 5: and down the court.

1011
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 2: But we digress. Yeah, sorry, Pat, what did you say

1012
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 2: again about the quarterbacks there?

1013
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 5: Oh, there's some quarterbacks that uh oh, there's some headlines

1014
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 5: involving that. What are the headlines on the starting quarterbacks?

1015
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:45,240
Speaker 5: He covered the CBS, NBA era covered it, He invented it.

1016
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:47,479
Speaker 5: I forgot who I was talking about.

1017
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 2: To my face built the NBA. I'm not stealing a

1018
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 2: quote from Pat the Great Pat O'Brien, former Fox Sports

1019
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 2: radio host. Here, I'm just it's not funny, that's what

1020
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 2: he said out of his heat. Well that's true.

1021
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 5: Well he did interview Jordan before he went for sixty three.

1022
00:43:59,640 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 2: True.

1023
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 5: Never mind that game went into double overtime and Jordan

1024
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 5: lost that game. If Lebron does that now, still lost. Yeah, exactly,

1025
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 5: But now it's okay because Jordan. Yeah, you know what,

1026
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 5: we got a stop.

1027
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 2: I was to say, you know who, Jordan's not talking

1028
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 2: to Mike Tarrico.

1029
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 3: You see that no, oh giant deal is supposed to

1030
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 3: have with NBC with these multiple interviews, Well he did one.

1031
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 2: He did eighty million dollars or something like that.

1032
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 5: They did one interview over an hour long and cut

1033
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 5: it up into a little two minute snippets to string

1034
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 5: along for the entire season with the NBA on NBC,

1035
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 5: So it's not live, so he can't react to the

1036
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 5: actual games going on. Now. This was all done this past.

1037
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 2: Summer, right, Yeah, it was supposed to be, from what

1038
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 2: I understand, a series of interviews, and it turned out

1039
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 2: to be one. And that's all you're getting.

1040
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:46,919
Speaker 5: I feel lied too.

1041
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 2: That's a bunch of craft exactly.

1042
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 3: A little bit so once starting a quarterback who a

1043
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 3: lot of people had some decent faith in. I know

1044
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 3: on one because I picked the Charges to beat the

1045
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:56,280
Speaker 3: Patriots last week.

1046
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 2: That's a bunch of craft. Oh it was Justin Herber

1047
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 2: and the Chargers end up going home.

1048
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,720
Speaker 3: Justin Herbert was running for his life, honestly, to be frank,

1049
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 3: like he has all season long.

1050
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 2: But he's found ways to kind of get around it.

1051
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 3: And I will say this, there were plays to be

1052
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 3: made despite the fact that he got sacked what was

1053
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 3: it seven times or whatever it was last week seems

1054
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 3: like more, but yeah, he was pressured on like eighty

1055
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:19,919
Speaker 3: percent of his drop backs or something.

1056
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 2: It's something insane.

1057
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 3: He certainly didn't have a lot going in his favor,

1058
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 3: but there are plays to be made, and unfortunately, yet

1059
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 3: again in the postseason, Justin Herbert was not able to

1060
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 3: come through.

1061
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 5: I think the Justin Herbert situation is a real sports

1062
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 5: Warshack test where if you're a sports talk simpleton guy,

1063
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 5: you just take one side. If you don't like Justin Herbert,

1064
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 5: or you've been saying he's a choker because he was

1065
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 5: already zero to two in the playoffs. This gives you

1066
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 5: that amo if you want to use it against him.

1067
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 5: Once again, sports has a short man. You had him

1068
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 5: Where's and losses? Okay, Now, what about when you use

1069
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 5: all that context to say Tom Brady is the luckiest

1070
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 5: quarterback of all time? Rob what about that? But adults

1071
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 5: seems like it's not just wins and losses. Then when

1072
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,879
Speaker 5: it's convenient for you to tear a guy's entire career apart.

1073
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 2: Oh what you're talking about?

1074
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 12: Just give me someport wings Snuko Butler, justin Herbert is

1075
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 12: a warshack test if you hate him, if you don't

1076
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,399
Speaker 12: like him and think he's a choker, that game did

1077
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 12: everything that it needed to to back up your point.

1078
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 5: If you love him and you want to defend him,

1079
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 5: it gives you AMMO for that too, because you can

1080
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 5: try to hide behind the offensive line. So I would

1081
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 5: say it was a little bit of both.

1082
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 3: Okay, I was gonna say. I was getting ready to say,

1083
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 3: can't you say it's just a little bit of both?

1084
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 2: Not the sports simple since well, so, look, it's a

1085
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 2: small sample size.

1086
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 3: He's been in the league for six years now, he's

1087
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 3: made the playoffs three times, and he's been ousted three

1088
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,280
Speaker 3: times and has played poorly three times.

1089
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,240
Speaker 5: Yes, all fair. Yeah, even with a bad offensive line,

1090
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 5: you can still see the plays where he did get

1091
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,399
Speaker 5: a clean pocket and he didn't find the open man

1092
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 5: even when a man you know, I know there was

1093
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 5: great coverage and there were some coverage sacks going on

1094
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 5: in that game, and the Patriots defense stepped up. But

1095
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 5: there's film out there you could watch where Justin Herbert

1096
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 5: is just not seeing the entire field. It looks like

1097
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 5: he has tunnel vision at times. Yeah, he's getting locked

1098
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 5: into one guy or he's so sped up, because if

1099
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 5: you look at the numbers later in the game, he

1100
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 5: got worse even when he had a clean pocket. So

1101
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 5: maybe he was already seeing ghosts from earlier in the game,

1102
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 5: or maybe he's still seeing ghosts from the Texans playoff

1103
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 5: loss last year or the Jacksonville playoff lost two years

1104
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 5: before that.

1105
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 3: It's really difficult because he's been under duress for a

1106
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 3: large part of this season. His offensive line has not

1107
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 3: been intact basically since the opening week.

1108
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 2: Running backs have gone down.

1109
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 3: He didn't have a top running back for a good

1110
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 3: four or five six weeks there for a while, but

1111
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 3: they still found a way to be able to win games. Now,

1112
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 3: a lot of it was on the backs of their defense,

1113
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 3: which played well against the Patriots. They couldn't have played

1114
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 3: any betters. They did everything you could possibly ask him

1115
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 3: to do. But at a certain point, I understand the

1116
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 3: frustration when it comes to a guy like Justin Herbert,

1117
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 3: But again, the sample size is really small. It's three

1118
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 3: times in a six year career, different coaches, different coordinators. Again,

1119
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 3: it sounds like I'm making excuses for him, but maybe

1120
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 3: I'm just giving you reasons too. He doesn't have the

1121
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 3: greatest weapons to work with. So you look at any

1122
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 3: great quarterback outside of Patrick Mahomes who was a unicorn.

1123
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 3: You name a great quarterback through history that has not

1124
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 3: had a great target to throw to.

1125
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 5: Dan Marino for a while didn't have it.

1126
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 2: Andlayton Duper and Clayton has a duo were phenomenal.

1127
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 5: With though for a while, like in the nineties, he

1128
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 5: didn't have like one guy that he was always throwing too.

1129
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 5: And he didn't have a great running game. He had

1130
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 5: Kareem Abdul Jabbar for like a second there, But.

1131
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, those are uni you know, Justinus need help.

1132
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,919
Speaker 5: He's zero and three. He's had two touchdowns to seven

1133
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 5: turnovers in those three playoff games.

1134
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 2: That Houston game last year was dreadful.

1135
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 5: That was the one where it looked like he was

1136
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 5: shook where look like a completely different guy out there where.

1137
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 5: There's no excuse for that because you can say, well,

1138
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 5: you can't blow a twenty seven point lead to the

1139
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 5: Jacksonville Jaguars unless you're playing great to get up by

1140
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 5: twenty seven to begin with. Yeah, and the defense obviously

1141
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 5: didn't play well to blow that game in the second half. Now,

1142
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 5: he couldn't convert any first downs to put the game away.

1143
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 3: How many times had to go for it on fourth

1144
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 3: down instead of putting the ball Well, Brandon Staley was

1145
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 3: still the coach back then, so how many possessions did

1146
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 3: he cost him?

1147
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 5: Potentially that coach running his own experiment when it came

1148
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 5: to fourth downs that nobody else knew what was going

1149
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 5: on with the.

1150
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 4: Kids are playing their tail off, the coaches are screwing

1151
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 4: it up.

1152
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 5: Brandon Staley maybe he's a pioneer or trailblazer because so

1153
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,760
Speaker 5: many coaches are going forward on fourth down now.

1154
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 2: But nobody's doing it to the level that he did.

1155
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 2: Nobody's going forward on fourth and three, backed up on

1156
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 2: your own ten or whatever he's.

1157
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,919
Speaker 5: Doing, said faith in his guys, James, it was too much,

1158
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 5: too much. But here's the thing with Justin Herbert, It's like,

1159
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 5: I know, I know the offensive line was bad. I

1160
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 5: know you got hit one hundred and twenty times this season.

1161
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 5: I think the second most it's a quarterback has taken

1162
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 5: the last twenty years or something like that. But there

1163
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 5: were plays out there to be made, like no checkdowns, nothing,

1164
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 5: just take the easy play here and there.

1165
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 3: By the way, do you know who was a pressure

1166
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 3: at the second most this season after Justin Herbert.

1167
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 5: Drake May. Yes, oh, I'm right again.

1168
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 2: And also, don't get cocky.

1169
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 3: This is no disrespect to Keishawan Bute or anybody else

1170
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 3: out there. It didn't like he's out there throwing to

1171
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 3: Rob Gronkowski and Dion Branch and a bunch of guys

1172
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 3: that Brady was throwing two back of the day, Randy Moss.

1173
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 3: So he has the greatest compliment of receivers out there.

1174
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 3: Jigs is good. Sure, I'll give you that, But I mean,

1175
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:37,479
Speaker 3: come on.

1176
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 5: He's throwing to Bote.

1177
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly the same.

1178
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 5: Butte we were looking at in the industry or show

1179
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 5: earlier here but.

1180
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 2: Hey, hey, she had a fat ass.

1181
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 11: You know what I mean.

1182
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 5: I I'm an Oregon Duck fan. We'll get into the

1183
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 5: Ducks a little bit later. Ah, Homer, I'm a Justin

1184
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 5: Herbert fan. But Kevin, remember when he was coming out

1185
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,720
Speaker 5: of college and when he was picked, we both thought

1186
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 5: that's a little I didn't see enough to really make

1187
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:03,240
Speaker 5: him your franchise quarterback.

1188
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 3: I remember watching him in that Rose ball. He did

1189
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 3: more of his legs than he did with his arm,

1190
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 3: and Mario Cristibaal looked like he was holding him back.

1191
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 2: He did.

1192
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 3: That's basically what it looks like now that we go

1193
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,760
Speaker 3: back and look at it. You had this untapped potential

1194
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 3: that Mario christ Ball just never took advantage of.

1195
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 5: What if? The truth is, though, that he does have

1196
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 5: some real flaws and Mario Cristibaal saw them, and we

1197
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:28,399
Speaker 5: see those flaws whenever he gets into these playoff situations.

1198
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 5: Is that fair? Is that that there?

1199
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 11: No?

1200
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 5: Because it's the body.

1201
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 3: Of the college level, Because look what the body of

1202
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 3: work for what Justin Herbert has done. He's been a

1203
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 3: top seven quarterback in the NFL at the time since

1204
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 3: he's been a starter. So you're telling me that he

1205
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 3: can perform that way for seventeen weeks whatever it's been,

1206
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 3: and he can't perform at that high of a level

1207
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 3: in college. You know he had it in him, it

1208
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 3: just wasn't unleashed. You could argue to a certain degree

1209
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 3: now Andrew Luck had opportunities to do it at Stafford,

1210
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 3: but I mean they were a run first. There are

1211
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 3: games where Andrew Luck as great as he was, even

1212
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 3: as great as a prospect as people talked about him being, Yeah,

1213
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 3: games were you through fifteen times because he didn't have to.

1214
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 5: What I'm worried about is sometimes you get molded by

1215
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 5: that first big pressure situation with him, like against Jacksonville.

1216
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 5: If they win that game, justin Herbert, it could go

1217
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 5: the other way, and he's one of those unstoppable forces

1218
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 5: and raises his level of play whenever he gets into

1219
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 5: the playoffs. But because it went so poorly that first time,

1220
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 5: it's a little bit like Peyton Manning.

1221
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a name I was going to bring up,

1222
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 3: because Peyton Manning obviously was saddled with being a playoff

1223
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 3: choke artist, and I think it's kind of hard to

1224
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 3: argue against.

1225
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 5: It's a little bit overblown, but there is something to it.

1226
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 4: Yo.

1227
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,919
Speaker 5: Let me ask you this. He played Tom Brady five

1228
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,399
Speaker 5: times in the playoffs. How many wins did he get?

1229
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,399
Speaker 2: One? Pop quiz hotshot or two?

1230
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:50,359
Speaker 5: Three? Okay, that's what's crazy. He went three and two

1231
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 5: against Tom Brady. But what do we remember? Those first

1232
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 5: two were the first times he.

1233
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 2: Played him a boxborough and he lost both of them,

1234
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 2: and the offense did nothing. They lost like twenty to

1235
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:02,959
Speaker 2: three and they lost like seventeen to six or something

1236
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 2: like that.

1237
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 5: And you know he had who was at Ty Law

1238
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 5: and Rodney Harrison having crazy interceptions against him.

1239
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 3: Well, the funny thing was, so there was the first

1240
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,320
Speaker 3: year and then the Colts complained to the league office

1241
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 3: that the Patriots are being too physical and beating up

1242
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 3: the receivers. So they changed That's where illegal contact came from.

1243
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 3: Illegal contact has only been a penalty for like fifteen years.

1244
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 3: It's a new penalty that was instituted for the Patriots

1245
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,359
Speaker 3: because they were being too physical. The Rams complained about

1246
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 3: this too in the Super Bowl that they lost. This

1247
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,720
Speaker 3: is the Tory holt Isaac Bruce, Mike Martz, the greatest

1248
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,320
Speaker 3: show on turf Rams because they just got their receivers

1249
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 3: beat up, So they changed the rule and then come

1250
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 3: back that next year. So that year, I think the

1251
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 3: Colts scored six points. The following year in the postseason

1252
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:45,720
Speaker 3: after the rules changed, they only scored three. I lost

1253
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 3: against the Patriots.

1254
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 5: Again, always reminds me of Michael Jordan complaining about the

1255
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 5: Detroit Pistons and then implementing the flagrant foul or at

1256
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 5: least making it more punitive as we go back to

1257
00:53:55,440 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 5: that conversation. But I remember Peyton Manning's first scheme was

1258
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 5: against the Dolphins in ninety nine in the playoffs, his

1259
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 5: first playoff game, and I thought he played pretty well

1260
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 5: and other guys let him down. I remember Edward James

1261
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 5: had a big drop in that game that could have

1262
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,479
Speaker 5: been the difference. So he loses his first playoff game.

1263
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 5: Then you remember that loss they had to the Jets

1264
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 5: in the first rounds of the wild card. They like

1265
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 5: forty even nothing that Jets team. That ended up they

1266
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 5: beat San Diego on the miskick from cating.

1267
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 3: After that that was the Jets lost to the Raiders.

1268
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 3: I believe I think that was two thousand, Okay, two

1269
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 3: thousand and two.

1270
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 5: I believe you're right. Well, I'm not going to challenge

1271
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 5: your Raiders memory.

1272
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 2: Here, Kevin, the Raiders suck.

1273
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 5: I'm glad you remember all the good times too, the Jets.

1274
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 5: I got to hold on to what was that the

1275
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 5: Herm Edwards post game? You played it within the game?

1276
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:48,879
Speaker 2: No, that was That was a different year.

1277
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 5: But Peyton Manning, he eventually started playing better in the playoffs.

1278
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 5: He did, and they came back down twenty one to

1279
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 5: three against the Patriots. That was his first two thousand

1280
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 5: and six right, and they went on to win the

1281
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 5: Super Bowl. I don't think he was great in that

1282
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 5: Super Bowl game. I thought Dominic Rhodes could have won

1283
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:10,760
Speaker 5: the Super Bowl MVP.

1284
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 3: That was in the rain with Prince and all that.

1285
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 3: I think that playoff run. In general, Peyton Manning really

1286
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:15,359
Speaker 3: wasn't that great.

1287
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 5: But I would say overall, as good as Peyton was,

1288
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 5: there were super Bowls left on the table him winning

1289
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 5: two for that level of talent where he was decisively

1290
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 5: the best regular season quarterback by a mile, and yet

1291
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 5: he only won two. And that second Super Bowl against

1292
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 5: my Panthers.

1293
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,439
Speaker 2: He didn't have an arm I mean, he got carried.

1294
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 5: At times and their defense was so good. That's what

1295
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 5: did it for him.

1296
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, look, I mean he certainly had his shortcomings.

1297
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 3: I mean, bre will remember the Super Bowl against the

1298
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 3: Saints that year. Yeah, the Tracy Porter interception picked six.

1299
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 3: And then you had when the Broncos face the Seahawks

1300
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 3: and the Legion of Boom lay the boom. It was

1301
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 3: like twenty one to nothing, but before the Broncos could blink,

1302
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 3: and that was an historic year.

1303
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 5: It looked like what used to happen to John Elway

1304
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 5: in Super Bowl with the Broncos back in the eighties.

1305
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 5: But my man, I know about that.

1306
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 3: I'll say this about Justin Herbert before you check out here,

1307
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 3: because I know we got to get the trade wing go.

1308
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 3: If there was a quarterback draft right now in the NFL,

1309
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 3: where would he be taken. I'm looking at Josh Allen,

1310
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson, Mahomes Burrow. Maybe you would put Stafford in

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00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 3: there ahead of him. If we're talking about just one

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00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 3: composite year, not building for the future, just this year

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00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 3: or whatever. Yeah, that's five, and then maybe we can

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Speaker 3: have a debate about guys like Drake May maybe Dak

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00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 3: Prescott or brock Perty if you want to throw those

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00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 3: guys in there. I don't know, but I'll say this,

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00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 3: Justin Herbert consists of my general managers, is going to

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00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:36,839
Speaker 3: be somewhere in the top six or seven.

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Speaker 2: So that tells you how good of a player that

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Speaker 2: he is.

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Speaker 5: I think he'll overcome this.

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Speaker 2: I agree you Mail Young. He's twenty seven.

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00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:47,359
Speaker 5: He hasn't had the protypical number one receiver. I kind

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00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 5: of wish they'd go get aj Brown, Honestly, I don't know.

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00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 2: If you want that head.

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00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 3: I understand it, and I would, and you'll probably be

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00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 3: buying low at this point in time.

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00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 2: And he's so talented, but damn, he's a knucklehead.

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00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 5: Oh damn talented.

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Speaker 8: Hell.

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Speaker 2: Look, maybe it's a culture, you know. I don't know

1332
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 2: what the kind of ship, Sirian he's running over there

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00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 2: with the with the Eagles. But yeah, I know how

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00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh runs things well.

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Speaker 5: And let's be fair, their offensive coordinator was Greg Roman,

1336
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 5: and you look at his track record in playoff games

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00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 5: with Lamar Jackson and with Justin Herbert. There is something

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00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 5: there where I think Jim Harbaugh was too loyal to

1339
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 5: a guy that was still stuck in the past, and

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00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 5: we brought him in to run the football. And that's

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00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 5: what's gonna help alleviate the pressure from Justin Herbert. Well,

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00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 5: they weren't able to do that. Yeah, well that's his

1343
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 5: specialty too, Greg Romick. Being able to design the run

1344
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 5: game is what he does.

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00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 3: But his passing passing scheme has never been a strong suit,

1346
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 3: and so maybe that's something you. I think this is

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00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 3: probably something that you ever wanted to see somebody lose

1348
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 3: their job, But it's probably for the better that they

1349
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 3: go into a different direction offensively and see if they

1350
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 3: can maybe get some better talent in there as well.

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00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 2: On the skill skill.

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00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 5: Position side, how about that play action he tried on

1353
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 5: fourth and nine. I don't think they're I don't think

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00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 5: you're gonna fake them out and fool them into thinking

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00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 5: you're running on fourth and nine there correctly not probably not.

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00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 3: So we'll talk about this Justin Herbert situation, among many

1357
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 3: other things, the divisional playoff round, John Harball's higher with

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00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 3: the Giants, Mike Tomlin's future, and many more, with Trey

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00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 3: Wingo coming up next here on Fox Football Saturday with FNA.

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Speaker 5: FNA, COTTONNA, welcome back in It's Fox Football Saturday. I'm

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Speaker 3: Fox Football Saturday with Kevin Figures and Adam Alston back

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Speaker 3: here with you guys. Playoff weekend in the NFL coaching changes,

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Speaker 3: among other things.

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Speaker 2: We will cover it with our very next guest. Let's

1379
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 2: get to him at him Alan Dragan did Thank you, Gutty.

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00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 5: Well long before people said the NBA was just Tray's

1381
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 5: and well before Trey Young was traded to DC just

1382
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 5: to be put on the shelf, Trey Wingo was always

1383
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 5: himself on ESPN, bringing truth honesty and factual information without

1384
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 5: the performative hot take nonsense. You get inundated with now

1385
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 5: on the evil four letter. But have no fear. The

1386
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 5: man who carried NFL live for years is still here

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00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 5: and the analysis with integrity continues. Hopra on his YouTube

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00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 5: channel Straight Facts Homie and like Moss in ninety eight

1389
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,959
Speaker 5: against the Cowboys on Thanksgiving. His episodes are also must

1390
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 5: sy must watch. It's the Great Trey Wingo back on

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Speaker 5: FNA on FSR. Here, Trey, how.

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00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 2: Are you well?

1393
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 4: After that introduction, I've got to come stronger. I'm screwed.

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00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 4: Thank you, guys.

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00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 5: We're confident you're living up to it. Here are that

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01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 5: John Harbaugh's going to the Giants? In your mind? Is

1397
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 5: he a generational coach? Just the best available in this

1398
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 5: coaching carousel cycle? And how do you like to fit

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01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 5: in New York for him?

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01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 4: Well, there's a couple of things to get into there.

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01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 4: First of all, I think John wanting that job without

1402
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 4: even going down the road of a lot of others,

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01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 4: tells you obviously he really wanted to get back into coaching,

1404
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 4: and he believes in Jackson Dark Like, if you're a

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01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 4: Giants fan, I think that's The most important thing EVE

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01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 4: can take away from this. This guy came here because

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01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 4: he believes he has his quarterback. Because if you don't

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01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 4: have a quarterback, you go through what Mike Tomlin has got.

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01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 4: Who Ever since Ben Roethlisberger retired, an endless string of

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01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 4: Kenny Picketts, Russell Wilson's, Justin Fields, Mason Rudolph the sequel,

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Speaker 4: and Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 11: You know.

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Speaker 4: So that's the thing that I think most Giants fans

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01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 4: need to take away from this. I think he was

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01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 4: one of the best coaches available by any statistical measurement.

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01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 4: Mike Tomlin was a better coach available just a few

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01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 4: days later. If you look at total wins, playoff appearances,

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01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 4: super Bowl old super Bowl appearances, all that kind of stuff.

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01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 4: Tomlin's statistics dwarf hardboss. But I think Mike wants to

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01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 4: take a year off, so maybe he was unavailable, So

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Speaker 4: I think he probably You probably did get the best

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01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 4: hossible outcome, Trey.

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Speaker 3: When it comes to Mike Tomlin, were you surprised at

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01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 3: all that the fact that he stepped away from coaching.

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01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 3: This is something apparently that he's been thinking about for

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01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 3: the last couple of seasons. We know the Steelers historically

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01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 3: do not fire coaches, but after a while, I guess

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01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 3: people felt that maybe it got a little bit stale.

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Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on Mike Tomlin stepping away from

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Speaker 3: Pittsburgh and most likely going into TV at this point.

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Speaker 4: Well, it doesn't surprise me because before the final game

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01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 4: of the season between the Ravens and the Steelers, we

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01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 4: put out an episode on Straight Back to Me about

1434
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 4: all the things that were basically on the line in

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01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 4: that game, and one of them was if the Steelers lose,

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01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 4: which they did not because the kicker missed the field goal,

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01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 4: would this the end of Mike Tomlin? Would this be

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Speaker 4: the end of Aaron Rodgers? And the same with Tomlin.

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Speaker 4: You have to understand and people are really kind of

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01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 4: weird about it now, and I understand that. But there's

1441
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 4: an old thing I try to live by, which is

1442
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 4: two things can be true at the same time. And

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01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 4: I think that's a concept that some people have a

1444
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 4: real problem with. And there are two things that are

1445
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 4: very true when it comes to Mike Tomlin. The first

1446
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 4: thing is Mike Tomlin's an exceptional coach. No coach in

1447
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 4: the history of the NFL has ever coached as long

1448
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 4: as he has not even close to it and not

1449
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 4: had to lose some season. So that's a truism. They

1450
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 4: continue to continually win or not lose. He has been

1451
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 4: to two Super Bowls, he has won one and all

1452
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 4: that's true, and I take when he chooses to coach again,

1453
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 4: he will be coaching again. But the other thing that's

1454
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 4: true is Mike Tomlin has a saying, or had a

1455
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 4: saying when he was in Pittsburgh. The standard is the standard,

1456
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 4: and the standard in Pittsburgh isn't getting the playoff games,

1457
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 4: it's winning them. They haven't won a playoff games since

1458
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes became an NFL player. Their last win in

1459
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 4: a playoff game was in January twenty seventeen, after the

1460
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 4: twenty sixteen season, when ironically coincidentally, they beat the Chiefs.

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Speaker 4: Since then, they've lost seven straight playoff games. In each

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01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 4: one of those playoff games, they've given up at least

1463
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 4: twenty eight points. That's the longest such streak in NFL

1464
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 4: playoff history. In each of those seven playoff games, they

1465
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 4: were down by as much as twenty one points in

1466
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 4: each of one of those games. That's the longest such

1467
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 4: streak in playoff history. They've lost three straight home playoff

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01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 4: games in a row that had never happened before in

1469
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Speaker 4: Pittsburgh franchise history. And the Steelers now have the longest

1470
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 4: active playoff losing streak at seven games. And he's now

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Speaker 4: tied Marvin Lewis for the most active losses in a

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Speaker 4: row in the playoffs, seven by a head coach. Those

1473
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 4: are the things that counteract everything that we just talked

1474
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 4: about with Mike. It was time for a change, and

1475
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 4: I think Tomlin spared the organization of making a move

1476
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 4: they probably had to make but didn't want to make

1477
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 4: by resigning. And to your point about I mean, a

1478
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 4: Steelers coach is like the Holly's Comet of the NFL. Okay,

1479
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 4: since nineteen seventy we've had six popes. We've only had

1480
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 4: three Steelers head coaches in fifty five years, so this

1481
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 4: is not something that happens very often.

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Speaker 2: You know, Trey Wingo joining us FNA.

1483
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 3: On FSR Fox Football Saturday, you talked about all the

1484
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 3: quarterbacks that they went through under Mike Tomlin's tenures since

1485
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 3: having Big Ben Roethlisberger, and it makes me wonder if

1486
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 3: he's sort of a victim of his own I don't

1487
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 3: know if you want to use.

1488
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 2: The word success or mediocrity.

1489
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 3: The fact that he hasn't had a losing season, but

1490
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 3: a lot of times you need a losing season to

1491
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 3: put yourself in a position to get a quality quarterback.

1492
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 3: I heard Art Rooney earlier this week mentioned the fact

1493
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 3: that he doesn't believe in tanking or rebuilds. How do

1494
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 3: you view the Pittsburgh Steelers situation at this point in

1495
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 3: time for them to get out of where they've been,

1496
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 3: which is kind of just hovering around five hundred for

1497
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 3: the past decade.

1498
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:32,959
Speaker 2: Do they need to bottom out in order to get better?

1499
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 2: How do you view this job right now?

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01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's two things there. Number One, I wouldn't call

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01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 4: it mediocrity. I call it a victim of his own success.

1502
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 4: And I get it, you know, nine and eight and

1503
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 4: an eight and a couple of five hundred seasons, but

1504
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 4: he got every asked the Browns, ask all these other

1505
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 4: franchises that can't seem to get out of their own way,

1506
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 4: if they would have taken a record like Mike Tomlin

1507
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 4: or the Miami Dolphins fans, they would say absolutely. But

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01:04:57,040 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 4: to your point, there is a problem in Pittsburgh and

1509
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 4: I think one of the reasons Mike resigned was he

1510
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 4: knew how bad it was going to be next year.

1511
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 4: If you looked at that playoff loss to the Texans,

1512
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 4: it is it's not just any coaching issues. That offensive

1513
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 4: line had no shot against the Houston Texans defense. Now

1514
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 4: granted the Texans defense was number one defense in the

1515
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 4: world this season, but my god, they were just obliterated

1516
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 4: up front. DK Metcalf, who came back from the two

1517
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 4: game suspension, provided nothing. What's going to happen with him?

1518
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 4: Because the Steelers have said they're not going to avoid

1519
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 4: all his guaranteed money. But if you have a new

1520
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:34,440
Speaker 4: quarterback coming in, because I don't think Aaron Rodgers is

1521
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 4: coming back, what's it going to be? What's the what

1522
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 4: do you get with Dk Metcalf? And if you're looking

1523
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 4: at a five to six one season, which I think

1524
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 4: is potentially out there for the Steelers, do you say

1525
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 4: we need to reboot, we need to complete rebuild. And

1526
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 4: you know, the Rooney family and con the general manager,

1527
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 4: they may not want to say that, but we all

1528
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 4: know what's coming. We all know what's coming in Pittsburgh

1529
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 4: and it's going to be ugly. And the other thing,

1530
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 4: if we want to judge Tomlin fairly, you have to

1531
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 4: look at his tenure. He cook the job in the

1532
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 4: middle of the greatest dynastic run in the history of

1533
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 4: the NFL, the New England Patriots with Bill Belichick and

1534
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 4: Tom Brady, and he ended his career in the second

1535
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 4: most dynastic run we've seen in NFL history, the Kansas

1536
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 4: City Chiefs with Patrick Mahomes Andy Reid going to five

1537
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 4: in the last six Super Bowls. Nobody has ever done

1538
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 4: that before, ever in the history of the NFL in

1539
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 4: the Super Bowl era. So you had to take them

1540
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:26,919
Speaker 4: when you could get them. And I think that that's

1541
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:28,960
Speaker 4: one of the reasons why Harbaugh had limited success, and

1542
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 4: that's one of the reasons why Mike Tomlin has had

1543
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 4: limited success, because there were two franchises that were saying, no,

1544
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 4: we'll take all of these, thank you very much.

1545
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 5: Sure you mentioned a little bit earlier talking about two

1546
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 5: things can be true at once. Some people have trouble

1547
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 5: wrapping their head around that, and they just think it's byinary,

1548
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 5: it's one or the other. And I think right justin

1549
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 5: Herbert is a great case of a little bit of

1550
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 5: column A, a little bit of column B. The offensive

1551
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 5: line was miserable. He also didn't have a great game,

1552
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 5: and he hasn't had great games so far in the playoffs.

1553
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 5: Just your thoughts on Justin Herbert and where this Chargers

1554
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 5: team is going.

1555
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 4: Well, Listen, the offensive line hopefully will be much better

1556
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 4: next year because they have two franchise tackles in Alton

1557
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 4: Racials later and they lost them both this year and

1558
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 4: for the I will say this though, for the majority

1559
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 4: of that game, until it became midway through the third quarter,

1560
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 4: that offensive line for Herbert held up. So I'm not

1561
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 4: going to look at that game and say it was

1562
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:27,440
Speaker 4: completely on the offensive line. That defense had Drake May

1563
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 4: rattle in that game. Outside of that one thirty seven

1564
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 4: yard run in the first had Drake May was doing

1565
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 4: next to nothing and I think he was six to

1566
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 4: fifteen in that game. And this guy completed the only

1567
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:42,040
Speaker 4: NFL quarterback this year. They completed over seventy percent of

1568
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 4: his throws and he had an interception in his first

1569
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 4: playoff appearance. It was shaky, but he got through it.

1570
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 4: I think the defense had something to do with that.

1571
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 4: I love Justin Herbert, but the bottom line is he's

1572
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:55,920
Speaker 4: owned three in the playoffs, and before this loss to

1573
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 4: the Patriots, his two playoff losses were allowing the third

1574
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 4: greatest comeback in postseason history when they were up twenty

1575
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:03,920
Speaker 4: seven to nothing on the Jags. A lot of that's

1576
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 4: on Brandon Saley, but you know, all you need is

1577
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 4: a couple of first downs and that comeback probably doesn't

1578
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 4: happen in the second half. And then the other one

1579
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:13,120
Speaker 4: was the loss last year to the Texans. He's the

1580
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 4: only quarterback in NFL history that has his worst passer

1581
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 4: rating game and his worst interception game in the same

1582
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 4: postseason game, and that was Justin Herbert against the Texans

1583
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 4: last year. I'm not exonerating him completely, I'm not blaming

1584
01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:30,679
Speaker 4: him completely, but it's just like Josh Allen, right, We're

1585
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:32,760
Speaker 4: not going to look at Josh Allen until he can

1586
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:35,719
Speaker 4: get it done, and Justin Herbert hasn't even gotten anything

1587
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 4: done yet in the postseason. At some point you have

1588
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:41,680
Speaker 4: to win playoff games with a guy as talented as

1589
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 4: Justin Herbert.

1590
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 2: So with that being said, Trey, how much pressure right

1591
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:47,479
Speaker 2: now is on the Buffalo Bills to have to win

1592
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 2: a Super Bowl now that you don't have a Pathrick

1593
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:49,599
Speaker 2: and Patrick Mahomes.

1594
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 3: They have to get through Lamar Jackson is out and

1595
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 3: no Joe Burrow. It's been talked about it nauseum for

1596
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:55,479
Speaker 3: the last few weeks, but the Bills were able to

1597
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 3: survive last week against Jacksonville Alan playing like as Superman

1598
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 3: and basically and now he has to be able to

1599
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 3: do that yet again on the road taking on the

1600
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:04,400
Speaker 3: Denver Broncos.

1601
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:06,240
Speaker 2: How do you see that going? And do you think

1602
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 2: it's fair that Sean McDermott could potentially lose his job

1603
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:10,680
Speaker 2: if the Bills don't make it to the Super Bowl

1604
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:11,120
Speaker 2: this year.

1605
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:13,840
Speaker 4: Well, here's what I would say about the Sean McDermott think. First,

1606
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 4: I'll address that, you know a lot of these losses.

1607
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:18,760
Speaker 4: You know my stance, if you ever see any of

1608
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 4: my Twitter or X page, wins and losses are not

1609
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 4: a quarterback stat I do not believe that. For example,

1610
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 4: you're going to tell me that you know, in the

1611
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 4: twenty twenty one game, when the special teams kicked into

1612
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 4: the back of the end zone instead of giving the

1613
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 4: Chiefs a chance to run off some time, they wouldn't

1614
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 4: have had two timeouts. There were two plays to run

1615
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:37,559
Speaker 4: in the timeout and they wouldn't have kicked the field

1616
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 4: goal out beside the game winning overtime, So that was

1617
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 4: not Josh Allen. Josh Allen gave the lead to the

1618
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:43,720
Speaker 4: Bills with thirteen seconds left the regulation. You should win

1619
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 4: that game. That was on coaching and Sean McDermott. You

1620
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:47,760
Speaker 4: go back and look at the divisional game against the

1621
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:50,960
Speaker 4: Chiefs two years ago in Buffalo where he inexplicably went

1622
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:53,559
Speaker 4: forward on third and seven from inside is on thirty

1623
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 4: five yard line, a fourth and seven rather and they

1624
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:57,600
Speaker 4: got stopped. And the only reason that game wasn't a

1625
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:00,679
Speaker 4: ten point win for the Chiefs was because Mikole Hardman

1626
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 4: fumble on the goal line when they could have gone

1627
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 4: up by two scores, and then they would have really

1628
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 4: been in trouble. I think Sean McDermott does have something

1629
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 4: to prove. Sunday was the first road playoff win in

1630
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:13,479
Speaker 4: Sean mcdermot's coaching career. It was also a first road

1631
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 4: playoff win for Josh Allen. Now they go to a

1632
01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 4: very difficult place in Denver, but if we look at

1633
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 4: Denver object objectively, for most of the season, they were great,

1634
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:25,840
Speaker 4: dominating the line of scrimmage, I mean offensive offensive line

1635
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 4: has been amazing and the defense gets a ton of sacks,

1636
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:31,920
Speaker 4: so they've done a real job dominating the line of scrimmage.

1637
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 4: Josh Allen is the kind of guy that might create

1638
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 4: problems for that defense because it's not going to take

1639
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:40,519
Speaker 4: one guy to bring him down. And he can make

1640
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 4: chicken salad out of chicken, you know what. And I

1641
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 4: think that he did that against the Jaguars. You know,

1642
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:48,559
Speaker 4: people will say, well, you know, can we really if

1643
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:51,639
Speaker 4: Josh gets there, can we really say he got past

1644
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 4: its ghosts because, like you said, Mahomes, Burrow, Lamar wasn't there. Well,

1645
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 4: he beat all those teams. The Bills beat all those

1646
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 4: teams in the regular season. That's one of the reasons

1647
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 4: they're not there. I think Josh can do it now.

1648
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:04,519
Speaker 4: He's already banged up. He's pretty banged up going into

1649
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:06,040
Speaker 4: this game. I mean, I think every part of his

1650
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:08,599
Speaker 4: body was heard in that game against the Jags. If

1651
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:12,439
Speaker 4: that offensive line can can give him just some protection,

1652
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 4: I think there's a real shot that they can pull

1653
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 4: the upset there. You know. Sean Payton I think is

1654
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 4: one in four in his last five playoff appearances as

1655
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:22,760
Speaker 4: a head coach. Obviously, last year was on the road

1656
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 4: and it was Bonnicks's first playoff game. Sometimes I think

1657
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:28,800
Speaker 4: it's better to get that first win on the road

1658
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:31,720
Speaker 4: than it is at home because you can get overhyped.

1659
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 4: And with the way the Broncos have played this season,

1660
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:37,000
Speaker 4: I think they're seven and two in one score games,

1661
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 4: and that offense has been limping to the finish. It

1662
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:41,600
Speaker 4: really has. If you go back and look at the

1663
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:45,479
Speaker 4: way they played down the stretch, I think I think

1664
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 4: if Josh is healthy and that offensive line can withstand

1665
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:53,679
Speaker 4: the barrage because it's coming from Benito and all those

1666
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 4: guys and Alan, I think that there's a chance that

1667
01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:00,839
Speaker 4: the Bills could pull the upset on Sunday or tomorrow,

1668
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:01,479
Speaker 4: whatever it is.

1669
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:05,560
Speaker 5: It's stray. I got my eye on the Rams versus

1670
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:09,799
Speaker 5: the Bears this weekend just because Sean McVay against Ben Johnson.

1671
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 5: Is there a particular game out of the four that

1672
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:14,559
Speaker 5: stands out to you with a little bit more intrigue that.

1673
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:16,720
Speaker 4: One, for sure, because who knows how the Bears are

1674
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:19,639
Speaker 4: doing this? Just to put in perspective what we've seen

1675
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:23,599
Speaker 4: from Chicago, Okay, you know they were down massively again

1676
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:25,640
Speaker 4: to the Green Bay Packers and somehow pulled it out.

1677
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 4: They did that twice to the Packers in what three

1678
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 4: four weeks now, you know, in two games, which was ridiculous.

1679
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:33,720
Speaker 4: But just to statistically put into what we've seen from

1680
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:35,840
Speaker 4: Chicago and all how these comebacks and all this kind

1681
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 4: of stuff. On Saturday a week ago, that was the

1682
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:43,360
Speaker 4: sixth time this season the Bears had been down by

1683
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:46,519
Speaker 4: ten or more points with five minutes to play in

1684
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:49,720
Speaker 4: the fourth quarter. The Bears are three and three in

1685
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:52,920
Speaker 4: those games in this regular and postseason. Now, why is

1686
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:56,320
Speaker 4: that so unusual? Well, all the other thirty one teams

1687
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 4: in the NFL and the regular and postseason this and

1688
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:04,320
Speaker 4: are three and one hundred and fifty nine in that

1689
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:07,160
Speaker 4: scenario where they're down by ten or more with five

1690
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:09,559
Speaker 4: minutes to play in the fourth quarter, three and one

1691
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:12,479
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty nine, And somehow the Bears are three

1692
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 4: and three. I think it certainly helps that that game's

1693
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:17,680
Speaker 4: in Chicago and it's going to be cold, because I

1694
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 4: think the Rams are a better team top to bottom.

1695
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 4: I think Stafford is the better, more polished quarterback. But

1696
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:25,680
Speaker 4: just like a year ago in the divisional round, you know,

1697
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:27,439
Speaker 4: when the Rams had to go to Philadelphia and play

1698
01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 4: the Eagles in the snow. It's not the same for

1699
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 4: both teams. When Jalen Hurts and Saquon Barkley are the

1700
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:35,320
Speaker 4: largest part of your offense, and that was the difference

1701
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:38,160
Speaker 4: in the game. They ripped off runs, whereas for the

1702
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:40,360
Speaker 4: Rams last year it was pookain Aacua and Cooper Cupp

1703
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:43,559
Speaker 4: and this year it's DeVante Adams and pokuin Nakula. It's

1704
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:46,559
Speaker 4: a different kind of way to play the game. And

1705
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:48,759
Speaker 4: if it's really cold and the ball is super hard

1706
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:50,680
Speaker 4: and it's I haven't seen what the wind is going

1707
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 4: to be, but if it's super windy, that's going to

1708
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:55,559
Speaker 4: affect the Rams more than it's going to affect the Bears.

1709
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 2: Last one off for me, there Trey and Trey Wingo

1710
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:00,640
Speaker 2: joining us here on Fox Football Saturday. You know a

1711
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:02,200
Speaker 2: lot of these guys who don't have a lot of

1712
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:04,680
Speaker 2: front offics experience or having a lot of say so

1713
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 2: and what happens with a lot of these organizations, whether

1714
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 2: it's Tom Brady who's having heavy say and what's happening

1715
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:11,800
Speaker 2: with the Raiders. Obviously he's a part owner as well,

1716
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:14,759
Speaker 2: but he's basically a de facto president of football operations.

1717
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 2: It seems like at this point Matt Ryan is the

1718
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:20,640
Speaker 2: president of football operations for the Falcons. And you know,

1719
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:22,560
Speaker 2: usually working your way up as a general manager or

1720
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:24,800
Speaker 2: a president usually came with you paying your dues a

1721
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 2: little bit, whether in the scouting department or in the

1722
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:29,320
Speaker 2: front office and other roles. How do you feel about

1723
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:32,240
Speaker 2: former players who don't really have any sort of administrative

1724
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:34,559
Speaker 2: background or GM background having as heavy as say, as

1725
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:36,599
Speaker 2: they do in situations like this now?

1726
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:38,519
Speaker 4: Well, I guess I look at it the same way

1727
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 4: as how how can a head coach wasn't a good

1728
01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:42,880
Speaker 4: player be a good head coach? Right? I think Bill

1729
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:45,160
Speaker 4: Cower would tell you he was a very average football player.

1730
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 4: I think Mike Tomlin, you know, was a good college player.

1731
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 4: A lot of really good coaches aren't the best players

1732
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:55,080
Speaker 4: because the best players just do what they do instinctively.

1733
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:58,840
Speaker 4: The mediocre players to average players are slightly below average

1734
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 4: players had to find techniques to help them survive. And

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01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:05,320
Speaker 4: I think that can also apply to what we're talking

1736
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:08,240
Speaker 4: about with toy ak and helping out the Miami Dolphins

1737
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 4: and Matt Ryan doing what he's doing and Tom Brady

1738
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:12,600
Speaker 4: doing what he's doing. And if you will allow me

1739
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:14,840
Speaker 4: a second, because I know this is a Fox thing,

1740
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:17,720
Speaker 4: I would like to suggest to Tom, what do you

1741
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:22,800
Speaker 4: want to do? Because Tom is sort of doing it

1742
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 4: halfway as a broadcaster and doing it halfway as an

1743
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:28,639
Speaker 4: owner slash general manager whatever he is with the Raiders.

1744
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:31,120
Speaker 4: You can't be the best broadcaster you can be when

1745
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:32,880
Speaker 4: you can't have access to everything else the way all

1746
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 4: the other broadcasters can, So you can't do your job

1747
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:37,879
Speaker 4: as effectively as you can. And by having this weekend

1748
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 4: dig where you're paid a ridiculous amount of money to

1749
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 4: call games, you're also not being fully committed to your

1750
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:46,720
Speaker 4: role as what you are in rebuilding the Raiders organization.

1751
01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:49,679
Speaker 4: And I get it right now he gets to eat

1752
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:51,680
Speaker 4: his cake and have it too, but at the end

1753
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:54,040
Speaker 4: of the day, to be the best and Tom's all

1754
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:55,800
Speaker 4: about being the best. And oh, by the way, why

1755
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 4: is he doing pizza Hut commercials When he said soda

1756
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:00,960
Speaker 4: is poison for kids and ate nothing but seaweed and

1757
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:04,280
Speaker 4: avocado salad when he was playing. That seems contradictory. And

1758
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 4: I don't think he needs the money, So I would say,

1759
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:09,200
Speaker 4: what do you want to be? Do you want to

1760
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:11,800
Speaker 4: be the best broadcaster cast you can be, then go

1761
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:13,719
Speaker 4: be it. Do you want to be the best part

1762
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:15,840
Speaker 4: owner that you want to be, then go be it,

1763
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:18,080
Speaker 4: because what you're doing now is precluding you from being

1764
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:19,280
Speaker 4: the best at either one of them.

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01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:21,880
Speaker 5: Tom Brady, there's no such thing as halfway crooks. You

1766
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:23,599
Speaker 5: got to go all the way in here, as Tray

1767
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:26,520
Speaker 5: wing go, just put it, go win with Wingo, subscribe

1768
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:29,639
Speaker 5: to his YouTube channel straight Fax Homie, and become a smarter,

1769
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:33,840
Speaker 5: more knowledgeable football fan based on the facts, not opinion. Trey,

1770
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 5: thanks for doing this once again here on Fox Sports Radio.

1771
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 4: You got it guys anytime.

1772
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:40,720
Speaker 2: Much appreciate it there, Tray. Yeah, good stuff there from

1773
01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:41,680
Speaker 2: Trey Wingo. Love it.

1774
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:44,400
Speaker 5: Pretty good point about Tom Brady, the yeah, absolutely that's

1775
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:46,720
Speaker 5: a little hut hut yeah hut hut ha ha ha

1776
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:48,000
Speaker 5: pizza hut more.

1777
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:49,759
Speaker 3: So than the half in half out about the raiders

1778
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:52,000
Speaker 3: and the TV stuff? What about the diet? How are

1779
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 3: you sitting here, you know, selling me pizza hut door

1780
01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:56,679
Speaker 3: to door when you're supposed to be mister bastion of health.

1781
01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:57,559
Speaker 2: Hell's that about?

1782
01:16:57,640 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 5: You're a big thin liar.

1783
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:00,799
Speaker 2: Im all the line.

1784
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:03,320
Speaker 3: These NBA players sitting up there with a Coca Cola

1785
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 3: next to him, are drinking sprite, like you know, damn well,

1786
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 3: you're not drinking that.

1787
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:10,760
Speaker 5: You remember. I think it was a shack car commercial

1788
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:15,839
Speaker 5: and they had him in like a Hundai and Charles

1789
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:19,200
Speaker 5: is like, you can't fit in the Honday. Those women,

1790
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 5: you don't actually drive around in one of those. You

1791
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:26,639
Speaker 5: don't have the headroom for that. There's no way.

1792
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:29,240
Speaker 2: Coming up next here on FA on FSR, it is

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01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:33,479
Speaker 2: the return of Breeze. Three on Fox Football Saturday. They

1794
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:37,000
Speaker 2: done skipping down in San Antonio. Check FNA Cotton.

1795
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:40,040
Speaker 3: Don't got a lot of time here on fn A

1796
01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:45,240
Speaker 3: on FSR, Let's get right to it. Come on, not one,

1797
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:54,080
Speaker 3: but three. It's entertainment. It's good. It's Breeze, all right,

1798
01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:55,000
Speaker 3: what's the topic today?

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Speaker 8: Bree Okay, So Sean Payton kind of made waves earlier

1800
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:00,880
Speaker 8: this week when he kind of act a reporter and

1801
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:03,200
Speaker 8: was like, what do you know about like working downhill?

1802
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 2: Downhill?

1803
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 8: Yeah, was kind of like vicious. So just kind of

1804
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 8: got me thinking, like, what are some like players and

1805
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 8: coaches interactions with the media that kind of just like

1806
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 8: stuck in your head or just very memorable Okay, what

1807
01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:15,880
Speaker 8: do you know.

1808
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:17,760
Speaker 5: About putting a bounty on players show?

1809
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 9: It's so funny.

1810
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:22,800
Speaker 8: Okay, Anyways, I think you struck a nerve.

1811
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:24,479
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's really really annoying.

1812
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:24,800
Speaker 5: Okay.

1813
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:27,120
Speaker 8: So my first one, I went herm Edwards in two

1814
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:29,400
Speaker 8: thousand and two you play to win the game?

1815
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:30,879
Speaker 5: Classic, very classic.

1816
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 8: He answered Judy Patista's question about do you have to

1817
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 8: talk about your talk to your team about not giving

1818
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:37,920
Speaker 8: up on the season. The second one, I went Mike Gundy,

1819
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:40,799
Speaker 8: Oklahoma state head coach about I'm a man, I'm forty,

1820
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:44,639
Speaker 8: very very memorable. And then my third one, I did

1821
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:47,360
Speaker 8: go Marshawn Lynch during like twenty fifteen, like Super Bowl

1822
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:49,280
Speaker 8: media day. I'm just here so I don't get fined,

1823
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:53,560
Speaker 8: and he just came and that was remind mark your next.

1824
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:56,240
Speaker 6: So I guess I took it the wrong way. I

1825
01:18:56,680 --> 01:19:01,880
Speaker 6: picked Lessorda and the Philly mascot Lasorda got mad at

1826
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:04,120
Speaker 6: the mascot because he pulled out a doll that looked

1827
01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:05,680
Speaker 6: like Lasorda and they thought about it.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 6: And then there's a moist a Loo Bateman thing, uh,

1830
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:13,160
Speaker 6: the whole foul.

1831
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:16,599
Speaker 2: Loo and Gary Batman and then the Oriol ye, Barman,

1832
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:19,680
Speaker 2: what Jerry Batman, Steve Bartman, Gary, what are.

1833
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:22,600
Speaker 5: You talking about? I got Jason Bateman from Americans.

1834
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:24,559
Speaker 2: No no, no, no no no right, Moises a Loo and yes,

1835
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:25,719
Speaker 2: and then Bartman with Chicago.

1836
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:29,160
Speaker 6: And then the last one was the oriole Yankee home

1837
01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:30,519
Speaker 6: run being stolen by the kid.

1838
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:32,160
Speaker 2: That was good arguments.

1839
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:32,920
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1840
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:34,559
Speaker 2: Remember Tommy Lasorda.

1841
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:37,160
Speaker 3: So I had tom and Losorta's rant about Dave Kingman

1842
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:39,280
Speaker 3: who had three home runs. He said he threef'n home runs.

1843
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:40,800
Speaker 3: And he said it like fifteen times in a row,

1844
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 3: just so the media can get the message. Hal McCrae,

1845
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:45,479
Speaker 3: former Kansas City rolls manager, went off. He was tired

1846
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 3: of the questions they were giving him, so he got

1847
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:49,640
Speaker 3: jumped up through his phone across the room, picked up

1848
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:52,040
Speaker 3: a drink through it at somebody just went off kilter

1849
01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:54,920
Speaker 3: and one that people were probably gonna forget but white chocolate.

1850
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:57,599
Speaker 3: Jason Williams went off on the reporter in the locker

1851
01:19:57,640 --> 01:19:59,720
Speaker 3: room at one point and he says, I'm gonna write

1852
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:01,479
Speaker 3: it him on story And Jason william said, you ain't

1853
01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:02,599
Speaker 3: going right utting home boy.

1854
01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:06,599
Speaker 2: In town. I don't remember where he was. He might

1855
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 2: have been in Memphis at that point.

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01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:08,439
Speaker 9: Do you had one more time?

1857
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:09,920
Speaker 2: You ain't do a nothing, home boy?

1858
01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:10,360
Speaker 9: Thank you?

1859
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:11,280
Speaker 4: All right?

1860
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 5: I got John Stossel getting slapped by the wrestler. Actually

1861
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:18,600
Speaker 5: he confronted him about wrestling being fake. I got me

1862
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:22,560
Speaker 5: and Jerry West at his introductory press conference with the Clippers.

1863
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:23,679
Speaker 2: Got to be about I tried to be cool.

1864
01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:25,840
Speaker 5: It was like, hey, is this like you playing chess

1865
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:28,880
Speaker 5: with yourself? You help build the Golden State Warriors.

1866
01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 2: Get credits. Stop giving me all that credit at him.

1867
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:35,080
Speaker 5: That's exactly how I went. And then KD telling the reporter,

1868
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 5: do you know who the hell I am?

1869
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:38,080
Speaker 1: Do you know?

1870
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:39,320
Speaker 5: Do you know who the hell I am?

1871
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:40,040
Speaker 2: The ring chaser?

1872
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:40,280
Speaker 11: Yeah?

1873
01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:40,720
Speaker 4: I know you are?

1874
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 5: Oh I sorry? The grass and someone say the cupcake.

1875
01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:48,400
Speaker 5: We know, we know. It's a great topic.

1876
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:50,280
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, guys, thank you.

1877
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:52,599
Speaker 3: Didn't have a lot of time to get the audio

1878
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:54,160
Speaker 3: mixed in there. I Will wanted you guys to hear

1879
01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:55,479
Speaker 3: how mc cray, But it's all right. We'll have to

1880
01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:57,600
Speaker 3: pull it up another time. Got more fn A on

1881
01:20:57,720 --> 01:20:59,520
Speaker 3: FSR Fox Football Saturday.

1882
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:00,000
Speaker 9: One more time?

1883
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:00,280
Speaker 4: Do it?

1884
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:02,719
Speaker 9: Jay Williams, Eh.

1885
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:07,400
Speaker 10: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio Final hour of

1886
01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:08,800
Speaker 10: fn A on FSR.

1887
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:11,960
Speaker 3: Here on Fox Football Saturday, Kevin figures at k fig

1888
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:13,639
Speaker 3: one is where you can find me on ex Adam

1889
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:16,400
Speaker 3: Alslin at follow Adam A is where you could find Adam.

1890
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 3: Still got a lot to get to here in the

1891
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:20,479
Speaker 3: final hour of the show, Still got to talk about

1892
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:22,840
Speaker 3: Dante Moore deciding to stay at Oregon.

1893
01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:25,720
Speaker 2: Whether or not that's the right choice for him is

1894
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:26,400
Speaker 2: more or less?

1895
01:21:27,479 --> 01:21:28,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, is that what you're saying?

1896
01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 3: And talking about the college football payoff, the National Championship

1897
01:21:32,439 --> 01:21:34,200
Speaker 3: Game coming up on Monday as well, we'll have our

1898
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:37,400
Speaker 3: official picks for the divisional playoff weekend as well as

1899
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 3: the National Championship Game coming up on Monday.

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Speaker 5: All Right, We got to circle back though to the NFL.

1901
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:47,000
Speaker 5: Here we talked about the vacancy in Baltimore and John

1902
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:50,639
Speaker 5: Harbaugh supposedly taking the Giants job. But it's not official yet,

1903
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 5: but it will be very soon. It's unlikely the deal

1904
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:57,920
Speaker 5: will fall apart. But what about the fallout in Pittsburgh? Yeah,

1905
01:21:58,040 --> 01:22:01,080
Speaker 5: with the Steelers in the Burg or mac Miller's from

1906
01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:06,799
Speaker 5: Let's show some respect please, So Mike Tomlin stepped down.

1907
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:12,080
Speaker 5: Do you buy first of all that he made this decision.

1908
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:15,360
Speaker 5: It was solely up to him, and he wasn't being

1909
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:18,320
Speaker 5: pushed out at all by the brass there with the

1910
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:19,360
Speaker 5: Pittsburgh Steelers.

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Speaker 2: So I'll buy it one hundred percent.

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Speaker 5: We don't want to fire you. You can just leave,

1913
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:26,360
Speaker 5: you can just say it was on your terms.

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Speaker 2: I don't.

1915
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:29,280
Speaker 3: And if you listen to the accounting of the play,

1916
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:32,360
Speaker 3: the meeting that he had with the players after the season,

1917
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:34,680
Speaker 3: it it all kind of lines up to me that

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Speaker 3: this was definitely his decision. And Art Rooney spoke on

1919
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:39,280
Speaker 3: the record saying like, I thought it was something that

1920
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:42,200
Speaker 3: was possible, but as far as him stepping down, but

1921
01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:43,920
Speaker 3: I didn't think that it was something he was actually

1922
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:46,040
Speaker 3: going to do. And it sounds as if, just based

1923
01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:49,040
Speaker 3: on Josina Anderson and some others reporting, this is something

1924
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:51,519
Speaker 3: he's been pondering for the last couple of years. He's

1925
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:53,439
Speaker 3: kind of he knows that the franchise has kind of

1926
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:55,360
Speaker 3: been in a little bit of a malaise. He's heard

1927
01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:57,960
Speaker 3: the noise the chance of fired Tomlin the last couple

1928
01:22:57,960 --> 01:22:59,840
Speaker 3: of years. He's just like, I really don't want to

1929
01:22:59,840 --> 01:23:01,400
Speaker 3: deal with this anymore. I don't have to deal with

1930
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:03,600
Speaker 3: this right now. So maybe it's best if I just

1931
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:06,360
Speaker 3: step aside. So I don't think I do think one

1932
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:08,320
Speaker 3: hundred percent we're not being lied to, We're not being

1933
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:10,559
Speaker 3: had here or anything like that. I think Mike Tomlin

1934
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:12,639
Speaker 3: actually made the decision on his own to step away,

1935
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:14,800
Speaker 3: and the Rooney family were blindsided.

1936
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Speaker 2: Is strong, but they were not expecting it.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's definitely because of everything we talked about earlier

1938
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:23,559
Speaker 5: with Trey Wingo. An unusual place for them to be

1939
01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:27,120
Speaker 5: in with a coaching vacancy. It's Haley's comment. It is

1940
01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 5: a rare instance where this franchise, with all the stability

1941
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:35,000
Speaker 5: in the world, with six championships, may they have they

1942
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:35,519
Speaker 5: tied for.

1943
01:23:35,439 --> 01:23:38,679
Speaker 2: The most, they have at least five, I believe.

1944
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:41,920
Speaker 5: Do seventies championships still count to twenty six?

1945
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:42,240
Speaker 4: They do?

1946
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:44,000
Speaker 2: Why would they not count at them.

1947
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 5: Because it's so long ago. Kevin, That's so that's what happens.

1948
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 2: The further and further we get away from it, the

1949
01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 2: less and less legitimate that he gets.

1950
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:54,240
Speaker 5: Like, that's what everybody says that hasn't had their team

1951
01:23:54,280 --> 01:23:57,439
Speaker 5: win a championship. Basically with the Carolina Panthers, it's like, well,

1952
01:23:57,200 --> 01:24:00,160
Speaker 5: we when we do win, we're gonna have one, you

1953
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:02,280
Speaker 5: know that's not in the UH.

1954
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:03,000
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1955
01:24:03,240 --> 01:24:14,479
Speaker 5: Reagan administration, Carter Administration championships. They do have six Nixon JFK. No,

1956
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:18,000
Speaker 5: they're legit, even though they had some funny business with

1957
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:19,400
Speaker 5: the Immaculate Reception.

1958
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:22,120
Speaker 2: Who are you? I was even born yet and I'm

1959
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:23,040
Speaker 2: still pissed off about that?

1960
01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:27,320
Speaker 5: Is that possible? You're somehow future upset is that the

1961
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:30,400
Speaker 5: Raiders getting screwed on that, because that's that wasn't illegal

1962
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:30,720
Speaker 5: play it.

1963
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:34,679
Speaker 2: Was all illegal, But to leave it to the officials

1964
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:36,680
Speaker 2: in the NFL and Peter Rosel at the time, to

1965
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:37,080
Speaker 2: stick it.

1966
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:38,720
Speaker 3: To Al Davis and the Raiders. It's all right, that's

1967
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:40,560
Speaker 3: what it was. It happening for years.

1968
01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:43,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, some bullet exactly exactly, see what I'm some bullet.

1969
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:47,880
Speaker 5: All right, let's talk about the future of this Pittsburgh

1970
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:51,280
Speaker 5: franchise then, because the relics from the past they're not

1971
01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:53,200
Speaker 5: going to help them now, they're not going to help

1972
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:53,519
Speaker 5: them win.

1973
01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:55,760
Speaker 3: It's something that we brought up with Trey Wingle last

1974
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:58,200
Speaker 3: hour to the idea that if you're Pittsburgh, they've been

1975
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:00,960
Speaker 3: Mike Tollin's kind of been a victim of his own

1976
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:04,000
Speaker 3: success to a certain degree. Like usually to be successful,

1977
01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:07,080
Speaker 3: especially to get the most important position locked away, which

1978
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:10,120
Speaker 3: is the quarterback position, you have to have a giant

1979
01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:12,640
Speaker 3: turn of good fortune where you just find the right

1980
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:14,800
Speaker 3: guy in the fourth round or something, or you know,

1981
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:17,240
Speaker 3: you get a rock party because the injury happens or something,

1982
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:19,720
Speaker 3: or because you have a giant a high draft pick.

1983
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:23,080
Speaker 3: The Steelers have not been bad enough for so long,

1984
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:25,240
Speaker 3: they have not been in a position to get a

1985
01:25:25,240 --> 01:25:26,479
Speaker 3: good quarterback.

1986
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:30,679
Speaker 5: Well, and they probably got the peak of what's left

1987
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 5: of Aaron Rodgers. I don't know if it's gonna get

1988
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:35,920
Speaker 5: much better with him at forty one or forty two

1989
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:39,879
Speaker 5: or forty three than what they got from him this season. Yeah,

1990
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:41,760
Speaker 5: I think you have to move on. And he was

1991
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:44,759
Speaker 5: so tied to Mike Tomlin anyways, and was in tears

1992
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:48,519
Speaker 5: apparently when the decision came out or when they lost

1993
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:51,160
Speaker 5: the game, because he knew this was his chance to

1994
01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:54,120
Speaker 5: help out Mike Tomlin and rewrite the narrative a little bit.

1995
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:56,680
Speaker 3: He was openly supportive of Mike Tomlin before any of

1996
01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:58,639
Speaker 3: this stuff came down. Stand that Mike's a great coach.

1997
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 3: We you know, to stick with this guy. You know,

1998
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:02,120
Speaker 3: he's the I came Part of the reason I came

1999
01:26:02,160 --> 01:26:04,280
Speaker 3: here was because of him. So yeah, he definitely has

2000
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:05,639
Speaker 3: a tight bond with Mike Tomlin.

2001
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:09,840
Speaker 5: He got emotional, Natty can I think after he got

2002
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:13,840
Speaker 5: the winning record this season again for the nineteenth straight year.

2003
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:16,680
Speaker 5: When they were walking off the field, Aaron Rodgers was

2004
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:18,720
Speaker 5: talking a lot of junk and saying this is the

2005
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:22,120
Speaker 5: goat coach and all this stuff, pushing back and clapping

2006
01:26:22,200 --> 01:26:25,240
Speaker 5: back against anyone whoever questioned Mike Tomlin. But the truth

2007
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:27,880
Speaker 5: is he's been questioned for some time because his last

2008
01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:30,320
Speaker 5: playoff win came back in twenty seventeen.

2009
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:33,599
Speaker 3: Long time ago, long time ago, And so that's the issue.

2010
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:35,120
Speaker 3: You've been good enough to kind of get to the

2011
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:38,240
Speaker 3: postseason more often than not, but haven't really made any

2012
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:40,679
Speaker 3: noise in the postseason in twelve years.

2013
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:43,800
Speaker 5: Is he a Ben Roethlisberger merchant? Is that what you're

2014
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:45,320
Speaker 5: saying kind of out big Ben?

2015
01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:48,640
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, but there's also like, but there's also like.

2016
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:51,040
Speaker 3: Okay, so the quarterback position obviously has been hard to

2017
01:26:51,080 --> 01:26:53,400
Speaker 3: square away, but the defense has played well. They've cycled

2018
01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:55,479
Speaker 3: multiple players in and out of that defense. They've had

2019
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:57,920
Speaker 3: multiple schemes and he's been the mainstay.

2020
01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:02,240
Speaker 5: So I remember five years ago thinking this is gonna

2021
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:04,960
Speaker 5: end up being the best defense in the league, and

2022
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:10,000
Speaker 5: it never really materialized to that level. They're good, JJ

2023
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:13,559
Speaker 5: Watson been fine, but they haven't been dominant, dominant, they

2024
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:14,439
Speaker 5: haven't been lights out.

2025
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:16,360
Speaker 2: Let'll say, TJ. Watwen Healthy is one of the best

2026
01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:18,280
Speaker 2: players in the NFL regardless of position.

2027
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:20,840
Speaker 3: Sure, I mean, so, yeah, they've been dominant. No, but

2028
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:23,320
Speaker 3: that's the problem. They haven't been so good that they've

2029
01:27:23,320 --> 01:27:25,840
Speaker 3: been dominant, but they've never been bad. So again, this

2030
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 3: is where like the mediocrity versus like, are okay whatever

2031
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:31,360
Speaker 3: you want to describe being nine to eight or ten

2032
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:34,679
Speaker 3: and seven as being like, they're not terrible, but they're

2033
01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:37,320
Speaker 3: also not contenders. They're kind of in no man's land,

2034
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:39,519
Speaker 3: which in professional sports is the place you do not

2035
01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:42,040
Speaker 3: want to be. You either want to be horrible enough

2036
01:27:42,160 --> 01:27:44,880
Speaker 3: to be able to get enough assets to raise your

2037
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:47,760
Speaker 3: level to get better, or you want to be in

2038
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:50,920
Speaker 3: championship contention. And the Steelers have not been at that

2039
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:52,080
Speaker 3: level for the past decade.

2040
01:27:52,120 --> 01:27:55,599
Speaker 5: So they need to hire a coach that's bad just

2041
01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:58,080
Speaker 5: so they can go through a true rebuild.

2042
01:27:58,439 --> 01:27:59,880
Speaker 2: You don't think they need to hire a coach that

2043
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:00,800
Speaker 2: it's bad.

2044
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:03,240
Speaker 5: But that would help them get a get a higher

2045
01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:06,160
Speaker 5: Is Pete Carroll available, I think he is. I think

2046
01:28:06,160 --> 01:28:08,760
Speaker 5: he is. And look, guess what the Raiders have the

2047
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:09,439
Speaker 5: number one pick.

2048
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:11,080
Speaker 3: I think what it is is you probably have to

2049
01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:14,200
Speaker 3: try to tear this thing down from its foundation, maybe

2050
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:16,760
Speaker 3: cycle out some older players and just hit the reset button.

2051
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:18,680
Speaker 3: And I know fans don't necessarily want to hear that,

2052
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:21,960
Speaker 3: but that's the easiest way to rebuild. It's really hard

2053
01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:24,240
Speaker 3: to take a team that's been mediocre for this long

2054
01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:26,080
Speaker 3: and then try to find a way to make it

2055
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:29,080
Speaker 3: go from mediocre. It's a great unless some great quarterback.

2056
01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:30,680
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow says, I want to be traded now. I

2057
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:32,120
Speaker 3: only want to go to the Steelers, which the Bengals

2058
01:28:32,120 --> 01:28:34,120
Speaker 3: would never do. By the way, Yeah, outside of something

2059
01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:36,120
Speaker 3: like that happening, which we know is not going to happen,

2060
01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:38,840
Speaker 3: I feel like that's your best route to getting better.

2061
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:42,360
Speaker 5: When's the last time Pittsburgh had a great running game.

2062
01:28:42,640 --> 01:28:47,320
Speaker 5: Because you mentioned foundation, they used to always have leading

2063
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:52,200
Speaker 5: rushers in the league, was rushing the football, good defense.

2064
01:28:52,360 --> 01:28:54,720
Speaker 5: Ben Roethlisberger makes some big throws here and there.

2065
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:56,519
Speaker 2: What was Le'Veon Bell's last year there?

2066
01:28:56,960 --> 01:28:57,760
Speaker 5: That's been a while.

2067
01:28:57,920 --> 01:28:59,160
Speaker 2: I mean it's been a while.

2068
01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:01,439
Speaker 3: Because they've had They've had some solid production here and there,

2069
01:29:01,479 --> 01:29:04,960
Speaker 3: but never like this, the vaunted Steelers that really, you know,

2070
01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:07,200
Speaker 3: strike fear into you like that on the ground, I

2071
01:29:07,240 --> 01:29:08,719
Speaker 3: guess has been all time.

2072
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:11,560
Speaker 5: They did adapt to the modern era with throwing the

2073
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:14,719
Speaker 5: football round with Antonio Brown for a while, they had

2074
01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:16,000
Speaker 5: some great years with him.

2075
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:17,479
Speaker 3: There was a year of Big Ben through the ball

2076
01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:20,200
Speaker 3: like fifty times, like three times in a season or something.

2077
01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:21,519
Speaker 2: They were not afraid to air it out.

2078
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:25,519
Speaker 5: Give my Tomlin that they kind of did bridge that

2079
01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:28,880
Speaker 5: gap between eras of winning while running the football to

2080
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:31,160
Speaker 5: then the modern era of more of a passing game

2081
01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:31,599
Speaker 5: out there.

2082
01:29:31,720 --> 01:29:32,160
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know.

2083
01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:33,679
Speaker 3: I feel like the running game is kind of making

2084
01:29:33,720 --> 01:29:35,000
Speaker 3: a bit of a resurgence though too.

2085
01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:36,679
Speaker 2: I would like that everything is cyclical.

2086
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:39,880
Speaker 5: Although Philly is out of the playoffs and they were

2087
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:41,759
Speaker 5: the ones holding up the run game obviously.

2088
01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:44,440
Speaker 2: Well, Bill's lead the league in rushing and they're still playing.

2089
01:29:44,240 --> 01:29:46,519
Speaker 5: This is fair. You need a running quarterback? Is that

2090
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:47,439
Speaker 5: what they need to look for?

2091
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:48,120
Speaker 2: Could help?

2092
01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:50,000
Speaker 5: I mean, he's the closest thing we got to Big

2093
01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:51,960
Speaker 5: Ben maybe in Josh Allen, now right.

2094
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:54,679
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, I think the big thing for fan bases,

2095
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:57,479
Speaker 3: and I'll speak for myself is like I generally would

2096
01:29:57,560 --> 01:30:00,120
Speaker 3: rather my team not intentionally tank, but I want if

2097
01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:01,599
Speaker 3: they're going to do it, at least have a plan.

2098
01:30:01,479 --> 01:30:03,040
Speaker 2: In places of how we're gonna get out of it.

2099
01:30:03,080 --> 01:30:05,400
Speaker 5: And if you're gonna do it, you do it. Go

2100
01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:06,439
Speaker 5: all the way in.

2101
01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:08,240
Speaker 2: Ain't no a half step in, you know what I mean.

2102
01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:11,559
Speaker 5: It can't be so even though there have been teams

2103
01:30:11,640 --> 01:30:14,559
Speaker 5: that you would say, you know, the Jets, they've been

2104
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:16,479
Speaker 5: doing it pretty good for a while and it hasn't

2105
01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:17,320
Speaker 5: worked out for them.

2106
01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:19,200
Speaker 2: That's the sad part about the Jets is they're not

2107
01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:19,800
Speaker 2: trying to tank.

2108
01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:23,599
Speaker 5: They just they just suck perpetual tanking, organically tanking.

2109
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, basically Yeah, it's like the seventy six ers.

2110
01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:29,040
Speaker 3: Like the process got a lot of you know, hate

2111
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:30,880
Speaker 3: from a lot of people, and I understood why they

2112
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:32,840
Speaker 3: did it, and the problem is it didn't bear any

2113
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:35,120
Speaker 3: fruit as far as in winning championships. Now, they could

2114
01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:38,320
Speaker 3: not have predicted that Ben Simmons would have self admitted

2115
01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:38,960
Speaker 3: mental issues.

2116
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:40,479
Speaker 2: I'm not making that up or making light of it

2117
01:30:40,479 --> 01:30:40,720
Speaker 2: at all.

2118
01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:43,280
Speaker 3: It's a serious issue and obviously it's affected him in

2119
01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:45,280
Speaker 3: his career and that Joel and b will be as

2120
01:30:45,320 --> 01:30:47,160
Speaker 3: frail as he is. I mean, those guys were supposed

2121
01:30:47,160 --> 01:30:49,679
Speaker 3: to be the two pillars for the next fifteen years

2122
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:51,920
Speaker 3: for that franchise, and they were good. They made it

2123
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:53,760
Speaker 3: to the second round a couple of times. You know

2124
01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:56,200
Speaker 3: they've lost if not for the Plinko chip, you know,

2125
01:30:56,560 --> 01:30:58,880
Speaker 3: Kawhi Leonard shot, they make it to the Eastern Conference finals.

2126
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:01,240
Speaker 5: Huh. Jimmy Butler and that Sixers team is one of

2127
01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:04,160
Speaker 5: the most loaded NBA teams of the last twenty years,

2128
01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:07,280
Speaker 5: with Jimmy Butler making the trade for him, making the

2129
01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:11,439
Speaker 5: trade for Tobias Harris as well Ben Simmons, JJ Reddick,

2130
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:15,360
Speaker 5: Joel Embiid. They were stacked. Only Kawhi could take him

2131
01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:18,320
Speaker 5: down in that series with that shot. Historic shot. But

2132
01:31:19,479 --> 01:31:23,960
Speaker 5: I think it's different in basketball, different the NFL, because

2133
01:31:24,240 --> 01:31:27,800
Speaker 5: if you're talking about taking in the NFL, people think,

2134
01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:30,240
Speaker 5: oh god, I don't want to be that bad. We

2135
01:31:30,280 --> 01:31:32,639
Speaker 5: don't want to be the Jets. The Jets are pretty

2136
01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:36,639
Speaker 5: unique in how long they've been this bad. The Detroit

2137
01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:39,040
Speaker 5: Lions were like that for a while. The Raiders are

2138
01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:40,880
Speaker 5: kind of there. The Browns have been there for the

2139
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:45,920
Speaker 5: most part, but those are poorly run franchises. Overall, everybody

2140
01:31:45,960 --> 01:31:49,760
Speaker 5: else who ends up having really bad seasons gets into

2141
01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:51,840
Speaker 5: the draft a couple years in a row. What do

2142
01:31:51,880 --> 01:31:55,000
Speaker 5: we always talk about, There's five new teams in the

2143
01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:59,120
Speaker 5: playoffs every single year. You can go worse to first.

2144
01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:02,080
Speaker 5: It can happen very quickly. So I don't think people

2145
01:32:02,120 --> 01:32:05,000
Speaker 5: should be that concerned that if we tank or were

2146
01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:07,160
Speaker 5: bad for a couple of years, it could turn into

2147
01:32:07,200 --> 01:32:09,719
Speaker 5: a decade of this. For the most part, it doesn't.

2148
01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:12,280
Speaker 5: In the NFL, you can have quick turnarounds, very.

2149
01:32:12,240 --> 01:32:13,599
Speaker 3: Quick and if you look, if you have the right

2150
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:16,240
Speaker 3: scouting staff, if you have the right general manager. Not granted,

2151
01:32:16,280 --> 01:32:18,040
Speaker 3: the general manager for the Steelers has only been there

2152
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:20,519
Speaker 3: for a couple of years after their long term GM retired,

2153
01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:23,559
Speaker 3: so who knows what that dynamic is going to be

2154
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:26,080
Speaker 3: moving forward. But I just don't see a way out

2155
01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:28,960
Speaker 3: of where they are currently shuffling through quarterbacks, the Aaron

2156
01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:32,000
Speaker 3: Rodgers and the Justin Fields and all these other because

2157
01:32:32,160 --> 01:32:34,280
Speaker 3: you're basically scrapping at the bottom of the scrap heap.

2158
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:36,080
Speaker 3: And this is no disrespect to to Aaron Rodgers, but

2159
01:32:36,080 --> 01:32:37,519
Speaker 3: if this is Aaron Rodgers ten years.

2160
01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:39,599
Speaker 2: Ago, great, yeah, but this is not the same player.

2161
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:43,000
Speaker 3: And where are you going to get the caliber of

2162
01:32:43,080 --> 01:32:45,599
Speaker 3: quarterback play that is going to be necessary to compete

2163
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:48,800
Speaker 3: at a high level as you are currently constituted, Well,

2164
01:32:48,840 --> 01:32:50,040
Speaker 3: it's going to be hard to come by.

2165
01:32:50,479 --> 01:32:54,120
Speaker 5: The teams that ended up getting guys through free agency

2166
01:32:54,439 --> 01:32:58,280
Speaker 5: or trade that ended up being very good starting quarterbacks

2167
01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:01,960
Speaker 5: were guys who actually played for some of those franchises

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01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:03,599
Speaker 5: who are perpetually.

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01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:05,240
Speaker 2: Bad Mike Sam Darnold with the Jets.

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Speaker 5: Or Baker Mayfield starting off where he did with the

2171
01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:12,280
Speaker 5: Browns like that doesn't come along very often, and they

2172
01:33:12,280 --> 01:33:15,720
Speaker 5: had to still resuscitate their careers and they had a

2173
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:18,479
Speaker 5: couple of stops before they found their footing. Once again,

2174
01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:22,160
Speaker 5: this stuff is rare. Outside of that, you pretty much

2175
01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:23,400
Speaker 5: have to draft a quarterback.

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01:33:23,479 --> 01:33:26,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, they took their shot. They drafted Kenny

2177
01:33:26,280 --> 01:33:29,000
Speaker 2: Pickett in the first round and he was in the twenties,

2178
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:30,960
Speaker 2: I believe was where they took him, and that obviously

2179
01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:33,080
Speaker 2: didn't work out. So it wasn't for lack of trying

2180
01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:33,639
Speaker 2: on their part.

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01:33:33,720 --> 01:33:36,200
Speaker 3: But again, at the time, I think most people thought

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01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:38,240
Speaker 3: that Kenny Pickett at best would be a backup quarterback

2183
01:33:38,280 --> 01:33:39,599
Speaker 3: in the NFL. They I think they were just taking

2184
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:41,240
Speaker 3: a shot at the shot in the dark. Take a

2185
01:33:41,280 --> 01:33:43,240
Speaker 3: hometown kid who went to pit and see if they

2186
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:45,440
Speaker 3: can make something out of it, and clearly they couldn't.

2187
01:33:45,680 --> 01:33:49,200
Speaker 5: Either way, you have to commit. Even if you get

2188
01:33:49,240 --> 01:33:51,599
Speaker 5: one of these top flight guys, you have to see

2189
01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:53,960
Speaker 5: if they're going to pan out, which also is not

2190
01:33:54,040 --> 01:33:56,320
Speaker 5: a sure thing. And yes, you have to have a

2191
01:33:56,320 --> 01:33:58,559
Speaker 5: big enough sample size to say whether or not this

2192
01:33:58,680 --> 01:34:01,519
Speaker 5: quarterback is going to make it or be something. Look

2193
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:04,720
Speaker 5: at the Panthers with Bryce Young, it's still been very

2194
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:06,920
Speaker 5: up and down. Yes, they made the playoffs at eight

2195
01:34:06,920 --> 01:34:10,160
Speaker 5: and nine. Are you fully committed to him? There were

2196
01:34:10,200 --> 01:34:13,439
Speaker 5: answering questions or asking the head coach questions postgame about

2197
01:34:13,680 --> 01:34:17,400
Speaker 5: contract extensions with him after this season. I'm not fully committed.

2198
01:34:17,479 --> 01:34:19,439
Speaker 3: Well, they picked up his fifth year options, so is

2199
01:34:19,479 --> 01:34:23,160
Speaker 3: guaranteed another two years. So that basically says they want

2200
01:34:23,160 --> 01:34:25,679
Speaker 3: to buy another year and see exactly what happens after

2201
01:34:25,720 --> 01:34:28,000
Speaker 3: a third year in canalysis system, to see what happens.

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01:34:28,040 --> 01:34:30,640
Speaker 5: So you're in your fourth year with this guy and

2203
01:34:30,680 --> 01:34:34,040
Speaker 5: you're still not sure if you want to marry him. Yeah,

2204
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:36,559
Speaker 5: that's what they're dealing with, right. That's a little bit

2205
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:39,280
Speaker 5: scary of a situation. It is, that's something you might

2206
01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:41,960
Speaker 5: want to avoid, but it's also it can be inevitable.

2207
01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:45,680
Speaker 5: The Patriots, they weren't guaranteed to have Drake may be

2208
01:34:45,800 --> 01:34:48,800
Speaker 5: the superstar that he's becoming his second season. Nobody saw

2209
01:34:48,840 --> 01:34:51,559
Speaker 5: this coming. So you have to take some chances. You

2210
01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:53,720
Speaker 5: have to give guys opportunities. You have to go through

2211
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:57,000
Speaker 5: growing pains, and that's just part of the process in sports.

2212
01:34:57,000 --> 01:35:00,360
Speaker 5: Sometimes the stealers might have to bite the bullet. You know,

2213
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:02,680
Speaker 5: you got to take your medicine too, every once in

2214
01:35:02,720 --> 01:35:03,040
Speaker 5: a while.

2215
01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:04,800
Speaker 3: Oh and if there's someone that you like enough in

2216
01:35:04,840 --> 01:35:07,240
Speaker 3: the draft, and this is something that Steelers traditionally don't do,

2217
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:09,880
Speaker 3: is do a lot of draft day moves, especially moving up.

2218
01:35:10,280 --> 01:35:11,960
Speaker 3: You might have to package a couple of ones to

2219
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:13,680
Speaker 3: move up and get a guy who's a quarterback in

2220
01:35:13,720 --> 01:35:14,280
Speaker 3: the first round.

2221
01:35:14,360 --> 01:35:17,240
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, Tennessee Titans don't need their pick to

2222
01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:21,120
Speaker 5: draft a quarterback. There are available picks out there. The

2223
01:35:21,160 --> 01:35:25,960
Speaker 5: Giants probably aren't taking a quarterback, so there are possibilities

2224
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:28,280
Speaker 5: for you to maneuver in the draft and get somebody

2225
01:35:28,320 --> 01:35:31,200
Speaker 5: this year. Now, as you've discussed over and over again,

2226
01:35:31,280 --> 01:35:34,720
Speaker 5: it's not the deepest quarterback draft, especially because Dante More

2227
01:35:34,800 --> 01:35:37,920
Speaker 5: is not coming out. It's a little bit, but there

2228
01:35:37,960 --> 01:35:41,240
Speaker 5: are still guys there to start taking shots on now

2229
01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:43,080
Speaker 5: and see what you have once you give them a

2230
01:35:43,080 --> 01:35:43,920
Speaker 5: little bit of seasoning.

2231
01:35:44,280 --> 01:35:44,559
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2232
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:46,000
Speaker 3: So I guess we want to throw this out to

2233
01:35:46,040 --> 01:35:47,960
Speaker 3: you at eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox. Are

2234
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:50,600
Speaker 3: you okay with your team tanking if they have a

2235
01:35:50,640 --> 01:35:53,280
Speaker 3: plan to move forward in the future to get better?

2236
01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:56,240
Speaker 5: I mean, will you take two step back to take

2237
01:35:56,280 --> 01:35:57,519
Speaker 5: two steps forward right now?

2238
01:35:57,520 --> 01:35:59,080
Speaker 3: I think most people, I think the big thing for

2239
01:35:59,120 --> 01:36:01,400
Speaker 3: a lot of fan bases is I'm fine if you

2240
01:36:01,479 --> 01:36:03,600
Speaker 3: do it. If you know what you're doing, you have

2241
01:36:03,640 --> 01:36:06,120
Speaker 3: a plan as opposed to just being you use the

2242
01:36:06,120 --> 01:36:08,880
Speaker 3: Browns and a couple of other franchises or the Jets

2243
01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:13,639
Speaker 3: as a banner example, you're not tanking. You're just bad overall. Yeah,

2244
01:36:13,680 --> 01:36:16,320
Speaker 3: Like nobody wants that. Obviously you sucked because you suck. Yeah,

2245
01:36:16,320 --> 01:36:18,400
Speaker 3: But if you have a grand scheme here, if you

2246
01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:20,240
Speaker 3: have a plan in place, if you were on the process,

2247
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:22,760
Speaker 3: what the Houston Rockets have done. How bad they were

2248
01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:25,240
Speaker 3: for over years, and they accumulated all those draft picks.

2249
01:36:25,439 --> 01:36:27,360
Speaker 3: When the time came to flip one of them when

2250
01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:30,240
Speaker 3: a star came available, they sent Jalen Green out and

2251
01:36:30,280 --> 01:36:32,599
Speaker 3: got Kevin Durant and all of a sudden, they're one

2252
01:36:32,640 --> 01:36:35,040
Speaker 3: of the best teams in the NBA. But it takes time.

2253
01:36:35,200 --> 01:36:37,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, Oklahoma City thunder took a lot of

2254
01:36:37,439 --> 01:36:40,880
Speaker 5: bites at the Apple. They obviously got an extraordinary trade

2255
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:44,719
Speaker 5: package from the Clippers, and they've been able to draft

2256
01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:47,320
Speaker 5: all this young talent. But they won twenty games a

2257
01:36:47,360 --> 01:36:49,160
Speaker 5: couple of years in a row. It was ugly for

2258
01:36:49,200 --> 01:36:51,200
Speaker 5: a while, and it had to develop. And nobody saw

2259
01:36:51,200 --> 01:36:54,519
Speaker 5: this coming from SGA, by the way, No, but it's

2260
01:36:54,600 --> 01:36:57,640
Speaker 5: the only way to find out about guys is to

2261
01:36:57,760 --> 01:37:00,360
Speaker 5: actually get them out there and let them play. And

2262
01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:03,280
Speaker 5: if you take your lumps, so be it. I mean,

2263
01:37:03,400 --> 01:37:07,920
Speaker 5: the Pittsburgh Steelers, they're so used to just having steadiness

2264
01:37:08,280 --> 01:37:12,360
Speaker 5: at the head coaching position, at the quarterback position, overall

2265
01:37:12,680 --> 01:37:16,439
Speaker 5: in an identity out there. But welcome back to the

2266
01:37:16,439 --> 01:37:18,040
Speaker 5: rest of the pack or the rest of the world,

2267
01:37:18,200 --> 01:37:21,080
Speaker 5: like this is how it goes.

2268
01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:23,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes you got to swing for the fences and

2269
01:37:23,200 --> 01:37:23,760
Speaker 2: see what hits.

2270
01:37:23,800 --> 01:37:27,400
Speaker 5: And if your organization is as strong as you believe

2271
01:37:27,400 --> 01:37:30,160
Speaker 5: it to be and you feel like we have a

2272
01:37:30,240 --> 01:37:33,800
Speaker 5: culture here, then you at least have a little bit

2273
01:37:33,800 --> 01:37:37,400
Speaker 5: of an advantage over some of these other rudderless franchises

2274
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:40,200
Speaker 5: that don't know what they're doing when they're in this

2275
01:37:40,320 --> 01:37:43,439
Speaker 5: tank mode or just losing year after year. Know what

2276
01:37:43,479 --> 01:37:45,760
Speaker 5: you're looking for, Know what style of football you're trying

2277
01:37:45,800 --> 01:37:48,519
Speaker 5: to play out there. The Steelers have always been pretty

2278
01:37:48,520 --> 01:37:51,080
Speaker 5: good with that, and again they adapted to the times

2279
01:37:51,120 --> 01:37:53,840
Speaker 5: a little bit with advancing things with the passing game.

2280
01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:57,679
Speaker 3: So eight ninety nine on Fox again, eight seven seven

2281
01:37:58,120 --> 01:38:00,599
Speaker 3: ninety nine on Fox is the tele phone number if

2282
01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:03,200
Speaker 3: you guys want to chime in on this topic. Okay,

2283
01:38:03,240 --> 01:38:05,800
Speaker 3: with your team tanking, maybe they have a down year

2284
01:38:05,880 --> 01:38:07,799
Speaker 3: or two or three while they try to turn things around,

2285
01:38:08,200 --> 01:38:10,120
Speaker 3: or are you not a fan of it? You want

2286
01:38:10,120 --> 01:38:12,200
Speaker 3: to go full board, even if you're going to be mediocre.

2287
01:38:12,200 --> 01:38:15,000
Speaker 3: I'd rather be mediocre than terrible, you guys. Tell us

2288
01:38:15,240 --> 01:38:17,320
Speaker 3: F and A on FSR Fox Football Saturday. We'll also

2289
01:38:17,320 --> 01:38:19,760
Speaker 3: get into the College Football National Championship Game coming up

2290
01:38:19,800 --> 01:38:20,120
Speaker 3: as well.

2291
01:38:20,160 --> 01:38:20,839
Speaker 2: Don't go anywhere.

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Speaker 2: Live blinds are lighting up.

2296
01:38:34,720 --> 01:38:35,919
Speaker 7: I guess it's a good subject.

2297
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2298
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Speaker 3: Coming up in about twenty five minutes or so, we

2309
01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:15,280
Speaker 3: will have our official predictions for the Divisional Playoff round

2310
01:39:15,439 --> 01:39:18,280
Speaker 3: of the NFL Playoffs, as well as the College Football

2311
01:39:18,439 --> 01:39:21,040
Speaker 3: National Championship game against the spread, so we have that

2312
01:39:21,080 --> 01:39:22,960
Speaker 3: to look forward to. But coming up now, we have

2313
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:24,880
Speaker 3: a couple of phone calls to get to we go

2314
01:39:24,920 --> 01:39:27,880
Speaker 3: to Dayton, Dick, Dick, What's on your mind?

2315
01:39:28,240 --> 01:39:29,120
Speaker 2: Definitely an episode.

2316
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:30,880
Speaker 4: Good morning, talk to you.

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01:39:31,320 --> 01:39:35,360
Speaker 11: I'm taking Buffalo today to win. I'm taking Buffalo with

2318
01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:38,559
Speaker 11: Josh Al did another thing on one to tell you guys,

2319
01:39:38,920 --> 01:39:41,599
Speaker 11: I'm waiting for the Browns to get a coach and

2320
01:39:41,640 --> 01:39:44,880
Speaker 11: I think Jim Schwartz would move about the best. And

2321
01:39:45,720 --> 01:39:48,080
Speaker 11: so I've been watching a love of the Cavaliers. They're

2322
01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:50,680
Speaker 11: they're looking pretty pretty good this year. What do you

2323
01:39:50,720 --> 01:39:51,280
Speaker 11: guys think?

2324
01:39:51,640 --> 01:39:53,840
Speaker 3: Well, first, Schwartz, if you want to keep it in

2325
01:39:53,880 --> 01:39:55,720
Speaker 3: the house, I guess that will be a solid movie.

2326
01:39:55,720 --> 01:39:57,799
Speaker 3: He's been a head coach before, had success in Detroit,

2327
01:39:58,280 --> 01:39:59,320
Speaker 3: rubs people the wrong way.

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01:39:59,360 --> 01:40:02,360
Speaker 5: I'll have to him Harbor that one time. Speaking of

2329
01:40:02,840 --> 01:40:06,120
Speaker 5: we're looking at the handshake with Matt Lafleur and Ben Johnson.

2330
01:40:06,240 --> 01:40:09,000
Speaker 5: That was the original just blowing a guy, all right?

2331
01:40:09,600 --> 01:40:10,679
Speaker 5: Was that a Monday night game?

2332
01:40:10,760 --> 01:40:11,080
Speaker 2: It was?

2333
01:40:11,200 --> 01:40:13,800
Speaker 5: That was the game where we got this audio from.

2334
01:40:13,920 --> 01:40:18,720
Speaker 5: I think it was Alex Smith for Jim Harborough back then.

2335
01:40:20,439 --> 01:40:22,599
Speaker 5: And he made a big play down the stretch and

2336
01:40:22,920 --> 01:40:25,439
Speaker 5: he rowed up the locker room afterwards, Jim Harbor.

2337
01:40:25,960 --> 01:40:27,680
Speaker 2: But yes, the Cleveland Cavaliers, by the way, he has

2338
01:40:27,760 --> 01:40:29,639
Speaker 2: one of the best teams in the in the East.

2339
01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:34,479
Speaker 5: Honestly, they've underperformed performed. Yes, they're starting to get it together.

2340
01:40:34,640 --> 01:40:38,960
Speaker 5: Maybe we'll see. Yeah, well the East is wide open.

2341
01:40:39,400 --> 01:40:41,439
Speaker 2: Dick, Dick, thank you for the call, man, I appreciate it.

2342
01:40:42,280 --> 01:40:43,920
Speaker 5: Have a good weekend, should we?

2343
01:40:44,320 --> 01:40:44,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do.

2344
01:40:44,920 --> 01:40:50,480
Speaker 5: It, Bree. Who is this again? Holler and James from Minnesota?

2345
01:40:51,360 --> 01:40:52,559
Speaker 5: This is a Ben Mallard caller.

2346
01:40:53,080 --> 01:40:54,400
Speaker 2: Oh, but he wants to.

2347
01:40:54,439 --> 01:40:57,519
Speaker 5: Halla, halla, halla at us. Look at this Holler and James.

2348
01:40:57,560 --> 01:40:58,559
Speaker 9: What are the listening to?

2349
01:41:01,040 --> 01:41:01,439
Speaker 6: Oh?

2350
01:41:01,479 --> 01:41:03,840
Speaker 8: Wow, we should have put it bet you guys, hon

2351
01:41:03,840 --> 01:41:05,200
Speaker 8: if this is going to happen or not, and I

2352
01:41:05,200 --> 01:41:05,760
Speaker 8: would have won.

2353
01:41:06,080 --> 01:41:09,600
Speaker 2: Is that farting into the Does this happen exactly with

2354
01:41:09,600 --> 01:41:11,120
Speaker 2: with holler engine all the time?

2355
01:41:11,160 --> 01:41:13,759
Speaker 9: I should have bet with you guys. She's snoring, farting,

2356
01:41:14,040 --> 01:41:14,639
Speaker 9: he's snoring.

2357
01:41:14,840 --> 01:41:16,639
Speaker 5: He's snoring. Is that real?

2358
01:41:16,760 --> 01:41:18,599
Speaker 2: That an indictment on us? Or do you put hollow

2359
01:41:18,760 --> 01:41:20,200
Speaker 2: James to sleep? Is what's happening?

2360
01:41:20,320 --> 01:41:24,360
Speaker 5: No, wake your ass up now we're hollering James.

2361
01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:27,519
Speaker 2: Hey, James, the Vike's just missing another field.

2362
01:41:27,560 --> 01:41:29,840
Speaker 5: Goal. You're pissed right, you know it was the ten

2363
01:41:29,920 --> 01:41:31,720
Speaker 5: year anniversary the Blairwah kick.

2364
01:41:31,880 --> 01:41:36,639
Speaker 2: Last week it absolutely was AH twenty seven daughter. Oh

2365
01:41:36,640 --> 01:41:38,880
Speaker 2: my god, Oh see that will see you? Welcome up

2366
01:41:38,960 --> 01:41:39,400
Speaker 2: here you go?

2367
01:41:39,680 --> 01:41:41,960
Speaker 5: Are you in a nightmare right.

2368
01:41:43,680 --> 01:41:44,040
Speaker 11: Right now?

2369
01:41:45,320 --> 01:41:46,120
Speaker 5: Oh god?

2370
01:41:46,920 --> 01:41:50,719
Speaker 6: You're out with Bob Barker his ghost?

2371
01:41:51,680 --> 01:41:52,200
Speaker 2: What's up?

2372
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:53,519
Speaker 5: Man? What's going on?

2373
01:41:54,360 --> 01:41:55,160
Speaker 11: I don't.

2374
01:41:56,680 --> 01:41:58,479
Speaker 2: Oh it's okay, brother. Just make sure you spay new

2375
01:41:58,560 --> 01:41:59,479
Speaker 2: to your animals, right.

2376
01:42:00,680 --> 01:42:01,799
Speaker 4: The house party?

2377
01:42:05,680 --> 01:42:08,759
Speaker 5: Okay, that's us on in the background with the delay.

2378
01:42:09,040 --> 01:42:10,600
Speaker 9: Hi James, Yeah, c O.

2379
01:42:10,920 --> 01:42:12,839
Speaker 2: Screener didn't tell you to have your radio turned.

2380
01:42:12,600 --> 01:42:15,000
Speaker 5: Down, Brie, you were right all along.

2381
01:42:15,720 --> 01:42:19,960
Speaker 9: Sorry, that was literally I literally told you guys.

2382
01:42:19,960 --> 01:42:20,799
Speaker 4: That was three.

2383
01:42:20,720 --> 01:42:24,120
Speaker 5: Times a wildcard line. That's all wildcard line. I want

2384
01:42:24,120 --> 01:42:27,000
Speaker 5: to see how it would go, all right. We were

2385
01:42:27,040 --> 01:42:29,840
Speaker 5: talking about this a little bit last week, and I

2386
01:42:29,880 --> 01:42:33,760
Speaker 5: think I made the comment that most likely Dante Moore

2387
01:42:33,840 --> 01:42:35,880
Speaker 5: is not coming back to Oregon, even though I would

2388
01:42:35,880 --> 01:42:37,679
Speaker 5: love him too, because that would give them a great

2389
01:42:37,760 --> 01:42:41,160
Speaker 5: chance with continuity to get back to the playoffs and

2390
01:42:41,280 --> 01:42:44,000
Speaker 5: make a run at the title. This time. Well, it's happening.

2391
01:42:44,160 --> 01:42:48,639
Speaker 5: Dante Moore is remaining a duck because the college football

2392
01:42:48,760 --> 01:42:55,000
Speaker 5: landscape has changed. You paid ten million?

2393
01:42:55,320 --> 01:42:55,639
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2394
01:42:55,880 --> 01:42:58,120
Speaker 3: At first, well at least, like there's the money that

2395
01:42:58,160 --> 01:43:01,200
Speaker 3: he gets from Oregon directly, and then there's it's basically

2396
01:43:01,240 --> 01:43:02,880
Speaker 3: an unlimited amount of money he can get from an

2397
01:43:02,880 --> 01:43:05,120
Speaker 3: IL sponsorship. So god knows how many he's getting up

2398
01:43:05,160 --> 01:43:07,400
Speaker 3: there in Eugene, and I know it's never going to

2399
01:43:07,439 --> 01:43:09,679
Speaker 3: be the same amount of guaranteed money over the length

2400
01:43:09,680 --> 01:43:12,280
Speaker 3: of a contract that he can get from the NFL,

2401
01:43:12,360 --> 01:43:14,320
Speaker 3: or that he's the second overall pick, fourth overall pick,

2402
01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:15,000
Speaker 3: whatever it is.

2403
01:43:15,479 --> 01:43:17,800
Speaker 2: But it could be a couple of things that play here.

2404
01:43:18,080 --> 01:43:19,840
Speaker 3: One, he has a bad taste in his mouth of

2405
01:43:19,920 --> 01:43:21,720
Speaker 3: his last performance, which I would too.

2406
01:43:21,760 --> 01:43:24,200
Speaker 5: Why what happened? Did he throw a pick six on

2407
01:43:24,320 --> 01:43:25,960
Speaker 5: his first possession.

2408
01:43:26,479 --> 01:43:28,720
Speaker 3: Tasting his own blood after Indiana put their foot down

2409
01:43:28,760 --> 01:43:29,160
Speaker 3: his throat?

2410
01:43:29,240 --> 01:43:31,680
Speaker 5: No one makes Dante more taste his own pick So

2411
01:43:32,040 --> 01:43:32,799
Speaker 5: a lot of guys.

2412
01:43:32,800 --> 01:43:34,760
Speaker 3: He might want to come back and redeem himself from that,

2413
01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:38,000
Speaker 3: from that ugly performance a few weeks ago.

2414
01:43:38,120 --> 01:43:40,719
Speaker 2: So there could be that that's number one. And then two,

2415
01:43:41,040 --> 01:43:43,400
Speaker 2: it's very possible that maybe he dipped his toe into

2416
01:43:43,439 --> 01:43:45,479
Speaker 2: the NFL waters to say, like, hey, what kind of prospect.

2417
01:43:45,479 --> 01:43:47,840
Speaker 2: Do you think that I am, And they're like, maybe

2418
01:43:47,840 --> 01:43:49,160
Speaker 2: not as great as you think you might be.

2419
01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:50,519
Speaker 5: The waters were cold.

2420
01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:51,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it might not.

2421
01:43:51,240 --> 01:43:52,880
Speaker 3: Be a slam dunk that you're going to be a

2422
01:43:52,920 --> 01:43:55,040
Speaker 3: top five pick or a top seven pick or whatever

2423
01:43:55,080 --> 01:43:55,320
Speaker 3: it is.

2424
01:43:55,400 --> 01:43:57,559
Speaker 5: Now, if you were top five, that's a pretty much

2425
01:43:57,600 --> 01:43:59,120
Speaker 5: guarantee fifty million dollars.

2426
01:43:59,400 --> 01:44:02,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why. Yeah, for the Linthier contract, absolutely.

2427
01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:02,160
Speaker 4: But.

2428
01:44:03,760 --> 01:44:06,479
Speaker 5: It's really more of a decision nowadays that I'm not

2429
01:44:06,520 --> 01:44:09,760
Speaker 5: willing to criticize like we used to, because it is

2430
01:44:09,920 --> 01:44:12,720
Speaker 5: understandable to want to stay in school to get the

2431
01:44:12,800 --> 01:44:17,000
Speaker 5: experience while still getting paid ten million in this one year,

2432
01:44:17,560 --> 01:44:20,960
Speaker 5: and the likelihood to me that he doesn't end up

2433
01:44:21,240 --> 01:44:24,720
Speaker 5: getting that money down the line is pretty slim. The

2434
01:44:24,720 --> 01:44:27,760
Speaker 5: whole idea of well, you could get hurt. You never

2435
01:44:27,840 --> 01:44:32,160
Speaker 5: know what could happen there. How often have we seen

2436
01:44:32,520 --> 01:44:36,479
Speaker 5: guys actually just get blown up to the point, especially

2437
01:44:36,479 --> 01:44:39,760
Speaker 5: at the quarterback position where they're still not going to

2438
01:44:39,760 --> 01:44:42,040
Speaker 5: be drafted highly Look at what happened to to a

2439
01:44:42,120 --> 01:44:46,120
Speaker 5: tongue of Iloa. He is hip got? You know, did

2440
01:44:46,200 --> 01:44:47,960
Speaker 5: he get the bo Jackson hip replacement?

2441
01:44:48,280 --> 01:44:50,800
Speaker 2: I don't know the exact extent he got destroyed bad.

2442
01:44:50,840 --> 01:44:55,760
Speaker 5: He almost died, that's how bad that injury was with him.

2443
01:44:54,920 --> 01:44:59,360
Speaker 5: And he came back and still was what the sixth pick,

2444
01:44:59,400 --> 01:45:02,240
Speaker 5: the fifth pick? Yep, he was fine. He still got

2445
01:45:02,240 --> 01:45:02,759
Speaker 5: his money.

2446
01:45:02,880 --> 01:45:04,160
Speaker 2: Was he taking ahead of Justin Herbert?

2447
01:45:04,160 --> 01:45:06,840
Speaker 5: I believe I think he was. And some people were

2448
01:45:06,880 --> 01:45:09,080
Speaker 5: upset by that with the Chargers at the time, and

2449
01:45:09,200 --> 01:45:10,960
Speaker 5: I would say, now they got the right guy.

2450
01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:11,639
Speaker 2: I would say so.

2451
01:45:11,680 --> 01:45:13,599
Speaker 5: Even though the playoffs, you know, only three, we talked

2452
01:45:13,600 --> 01:45:17,680
Speaker 5: about it. I just the chances of that are so slim.

2453
01:45:17,720 --> 01:45:21,599
Speaker 5: The chances in this particular case with Dante Moore, if

2454
01:45:21,640 --> 01:45:26,000
Speaker 5: you weigh I come back, I could win a championship,

2455
01:45:26,360 --> 01:45:29,800
Speaker 5: and the likelihood of that versus the likelihood that you

2456
01:45:29,960 --> 01:45:33,320
Speaker 5: have some career altering injury that takes you out of

2457
01:45:33,360 --> 01:45:36,479
Speaker 5: being a top five, top ten pick, there's a much

2458
01:45:36,479 --> 01:45:38,639
Speaker 5: better chance they win the championship this season.

2459
01:45:38,680 --> 01:45:41,439
Speaker 3: Now it's unlikely, but it's also possible that he comes

2460
01:45:41,479 --> 01:45:45,160
Speaker 3: back and whatever reason, they hit the skids and they're

2461
01:45:45,240 --> 01:45:47,880
Speaker 3: seven and six and his production drops dramatically.

2462
01:45:48,040 --> 01:45:50,679
Speaker 5: Talking about the Ducks here, Kevin, let's be real talking

2463
01:45:50,680 --> 01:45:51,240
Speaker 5: about my ducks.

2464
01:45:51,320 --> 01:45:53,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, they only they only waited until the playoffs to

2465
01:45:53,000 --> 01:45:58,760
Speaker 3: blow it, so you're right, So the regular seas and

2466
01:45:58,760 --> 01:46:00,479
Speaker 3: there's also they had the element of like he's not

2467
01:46:00,479 --> 01:46:02,240
Speaker 3: thinking about the short terms, like, yeah, I could come

2468
01:46:02,240 --> 01:46:04,280
Speaker 3: out now, it's a weak quarterback class. I'm guaranteed to

2469
01:46:04,280 --> 01:46:06,840
Speaker 3: be the second the second quarterback taken, whether it's first,

2470
01:46:07,040 --> 01:46:10,760
Speaker 3: tenth or twentieth whatever. But maybe I'm just not ready yet,

2471
01:46:10,960 --> 01:46:12,240
Speaker 3: you know, and I want to go back and get

2472
01:46:12,280 --> 01:46:14,679
Speaker 3: some more refinement. I'm not thinking about my first contract.

2473
01:46:14,920 --> 01:46:17,240
Speaker 3: I want to get the second contract. That's where the

2474
01:46:17,280 --> 01:46:21,200
Speaker 3: general generational life changing money comes from, is your second contract.

2475
01:46:21,240 --> 01:46:23,120
Speaker 3: And I don't want to end up being like you know,

2476
01:46:23,320 --> 01:46:25,559
Speaker 3: Mark Sanchez or one of these other guys who has

2477
01:46:25,600 --> 01:46:28,200
Speaker 3: taken highly and things don't end up working out and

2478
01:46:28,240 --> 01:46:29,280
Speaker 3: you end up flaming out.

2479
01:46:29,600 --> 01:46:31,160
Speaker 2: You know. I want to make sure that I'm as

2480
01:46:31,160 --> 01:46:33,919
Speaker 2: prepared as possible going into the NFL next year, regardless

2481
01:46:33,960 --> 01:46:34,639
Speaker 2: of where I'm taking.

2482
01:46:34,800 --> 01:46:36,000
Speaker 3: It could be that part of it too. I think

2483
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:37,680
Speaker 3: there's a lot of things. There could be a lot

2484
01:46:37,680 --> 01:46:39,400
Speaker 3: of reasons behind his decision to stay.

2485
01:46:39,560 --> 01:46:42,519
Speaker 5: I think winning a championship with the Ducks, and maybe

2486
01:46:42,560 --> 01:46:45,200
Speaker 5: I'm biased, but to be the first guy to do

2487
01:46:45,280 --> 01:46:48,600
Speaker 5: that is such a big deal for your legacy. That

2488
01:46:48,760 --> 01:46:50,920
Speaker 5: even if you do flame out in the NFL, which

2489
01:46:51,000 --> 01:46:54,439
Speaker 5: is likely because most guys do quarterbacks, it doesn't matter

2490
01:46:54,479 --> 01:46:57,960
Speaker 5: where you're taking. It's just so difficult. Why not give

2491
01:46:58,000 --> 01:47:00,760
Speaker 5: yourself another chance to win in college and at least

2492
01:47:00,800 --> 01:47:04,080
Speaker 5: be a hero there. Why not do what Joey Harrington couldn't,

2493
01:47:04,160 --> 01:47:08,200
Speaker 5: Justin Herbert couldn't. Who else am I thinking of? Mariota

2494
01:47:08,240 --> 01:47:12,320
Speaker 5: couldn't all these other guys that couldn't win the big game?

2495
01:47:12,360 --> 01:47:16,920
Speaker 5: Dennis Dixon, Darren Thomas. You could be the first. You

2496
01:47:16,960 --> 01:47:20,960
Speaker 5: could be a pioneer there, an all time legacy guy

2497
01:47:21,479 --> 01:47:24,160
Speaker 5: in Oregon. You'll never have to buy a drink again.

2498
01:47:24,400 --> 01:47:28,040
Speaker 5: Like you think there's gonna be an issue with money

2499
01:47:28,280 --> 01:47:31,280
Speaker 5: with him the rest of his life if he wins

2500
01:47:31,320 --> 01:47:33,160
Speaker 5: a championship in Oregon with Phil.

2501
01:47:33,000 --> 01:47:34,280
Speaker 2: Knight, I highly doubt it.

2502
01:47:34,840 --> 01:47:38,280
Speaker 5: I don't think money should be the main reason or

2503
01:47:38,360 --> 01:47:42,760
Speaker 5: motivating factor in this decision, honestly, because he's getting ten

2504
01:47:42,800 --> 01:47:45,519
Speaker 5: million already. You put that in the stock market. You

2505
01:47:45,520 --> 01:47:47,599
Speaker 5: should be set for life, even if you never played

2506
01:47:47,640 --> 01:47:50,720
Speaker 5: a game in the NFL. Now, guys mismanaged money. I

2507
01:47:50,760 --> 01:47:52,639
Speaker 5: get it. That's young, he's young.

2508
01:47:52,760 --> 01:47:54,000
Speaker 2: That wasn't know what I was gonna happen.

2509
01:47:54,640 --> 01:47:57,679
Speaker 3: It won't be life changing money unless you actually manage

2510
01:47:57,720 --> 01:47:59,960
Speaker 3: it properly, then it potentially could be true.

2511
01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:00,600
Speaker 2: You just never know.

2512
01:48:00,720 --> 01:48:03,600
Speaker 5: But that's personal responsibility. How have a damn accountant you

2513
01:48:03,600 --> 01:48:04,280
Speaker 5: can afford it?

2514
01:48:04,360 --> 01:48:06,439
Speaker 2: Well, these guys all have classes that they take now

2515
01:48:06,479 --> 01:48:08,400
Speaker 2: to to teach that sort of thing. Whether or not

2516
01:48:08,439 --> 01:48:09,799
Speaker 2: they actually heed to it is different.

2517
01:48:09,880 --> 01:48:13,400
Speaker 5: But you mentioned more starts. He's only had twenty in

2518
01:48:13,439 --> 01:48:14,840
Speaker 5: his college football career.

2519
01:48:14,600 --> 01:48:16,920
Speaker 3: And usually I think that the line of demarcation a

2520
01:48:16,920 --> 01:48:19,160
Speaker 3: lot of times I think is twenty five starts. Yeah,

2521
01:48:19,240 --> 01:48:21,479
Speaker 3: people who don't have twenty five or fewer starts that

2522
01:48:21,479 --> 01:48:23,840
Speaker 3: are taking high in a draft generally don't work out.

2523
01:48:24,479 --> 01:48:29,760
Speaker 5: And considering he's had some issues, look against Indiana, who

2524
01:48:29,800 --> 01:48:34,519
Speaker 5: knows if Indiana just runs through Miami. They're an all

2525
01:48:34,640 --> 01:48:37,360
Speaker 5: time great team, the best team since we saw LSU

2526
01:48:37,400 --> 01:48:41,799
Speaker 5: with Joe Burrow. There's no shame in losing to that team. Honestly,

2527
01:48:42,320 --> 01:48:45,799
Speaker 5: losing to him twice, there's still no shame. They're unlike

2528
01:48:45,840 --> 01:48:48,600
Speaker 5: anybody else. It's not the end of the world. You

2529
01:48:48,640 --> 01:48:51,400
Speaker 5: can come back next season. Fernando Mendez is not gonna

2530
01:48:51,400 --> 01:48:53,639
Speaker 5: be playing for Indiana because he's going in the draft

2531
01:48:54,000 --> 01:48:56,559
Speaker 5: and you can get your revenge or redemption then. And

2532
01:48:56,680 --> 01:49:00,559
Speaker 5: Oregon they're gonna be, if not the favorite, top three,

2533
01:49:00,600 --> 01:49:03,000
Speaker 5: betting favorite, next year favorite.

2534
01:49:03,240 --> 01:49:04,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, easily.

2535
01:49:04,160 --> 01:49:06,000
Speaker 3: They have a lot of guys coming back, Dante Moore

2536
01:49:06,120 --> 01:49:07,280
Speaker 3: chief among them, obviously.

2537
01:49:07,920 --> 01:49:08,040
Speaker 4: Uh.

2538
01:49:08,080 --> 01:49:10,120
Speaker 3: Now, they are going to be losing toash Leupoyd. They're

2539
01:49:10,120 --> 01:49:12,880
Speaker 3: their offensive and defensive coordinator, So that's gonna be a

2540
01:49:12,880 --> 01:49:14,559
Speaker 3: little bit of an adjustment for them, But I think

2541
01:49:14,560 --> 01:49:15,200
Speaker 3: they'll be okay.

2542
01:49:15,320 --> 01:49:17,879
Speaker 5: You know what my Oregon friends say about that offensive

2543
01:49:17,880 --> 01:49:21,080
Speaker 5: coordinator going to cal you know, let the door hit

2544
01:49:21,160 --> 01:49:21,880
Speaker 5: you on the way out.

2545
01:49:22,000 --> 01:49:22,479
Speaker 4: You're out.

2546
01:49:22,840 --> 01:49:27,000
Speaker 5: They can't stand this guy. They can't stand his play calling. Now,

2547
01:49:27,080 --> 01:49:32,320
Speaker 5: the grass is always greener, Wells, but they are a

2548
01:49:32,439 --> 01:49:36,240
Speaker 5: model of consistency and stability. Just haven't gotten to the

2549
01:49:36,280 --> 01:49:38,120
Speaker 5: top of the mountain yet, but they have been in

2550
01:49:38,160 --> 01:49:40,400
Speaker 5: the mix going on twenty years now.

2551
01:49:40,600 --> 01:49:42,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, so now we stop talking about losers and talk

2552
01:49:42,479 --> 01:49:44,599
Speaker 3: about two teams that are in the National Championship Game.

2553
01:49:44,600 --> 01:49:47,360
Speaker 2: Onne. Sorry, on Monday.

2554
01:49:47,040 --> 01:49:48,799
Speaker 5: They're the fourth best team in the country.

2555
01:49:48,880 --> 01:49:51,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what's that doing for you? Right now? Sitting

2556
01:49:52,040 --> 01:49:53,880
Speaker 2: home watching watching the game with the rest of us.

2557
01:49:54,040 --> 01:49:59,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's fine, it's fair. And look, if Miami goes

2558
01:49:59,040 --> 01:50:02,439
Speaker 5: on to beat Indie and I haven't checked the spread recently,

2559
01:50:02,479 --> 01:50:05,360
Speaker 5: Kevin bait and to half points, Oregon's loss is gonna

2560
01:50:05,360 --> 01:50:10,360
Speaker 5: look worse. It will. But we're both expecting Indiana to win.

2561
01:50:10,439 --> 01:50:10,800
Speaker 1: Are we know?

2562
01:50:10,920 --> 01:50:11,200
Speaker 4: We are?

2563
01:50:11,280 --> 01:50:12,040
Speaker 2: Okay? I was just sure.

2564
01:50:12,040 --> 01:50:13,800
Speaker 3: I wasn't sure because there's a lot of people and

2565
01:50:13,840 --> 01:50:15,519
Speaker 3: this happens. I think when you have ten days to

2566
01:50:15,600 --> 01:50:17,439
Speaker 3: kind of sit on this sort of thing, you try

2567
01:50:17,439 --> 01:50:19,120
Speaker 3: to talk yourself into and convince yourself.

2568
01:50:19,120 --> 01:50:20,280
Speaker 2: I don't think Miami can do it.

2569
01:50:20,400 --> 01:50:22,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, you talk yourself into it because you want to

2570
01:50:22,360 --> 01:50:24,120
Speaker 5: see a good game. It's wishful thinking.

2571
01:50:24,760 --> 01:50:27,360
Speaker 3: I think there are there's avenues to where it could

2572
01:50:27,360 --> 01:50:28,400
Speaker 3: be a competitive game.

2573
01:50:28,479 --> 01:50:30,080
Speaker 5: I agree they're not at home.

2574
01:50:31,200 --> 01:50:33,679
Speaker 2: They're at home, but there's gonna be so many Indiana

2575
01:50:33,680 --> 01:50:34,160
Speaker 2: people there.

2576
01:50:34,160 --> 01:50:36,000
Speaker 5: I couldn't believe it's gonna be just as bad as

2577
01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:39,560
Speaker 5: the as the as the Peach Bowl was like outnumbered.

2578
01:50:39,680 --> 01:50:43,040
Speaker 2: These Indiana people are freaking the bleep out. They don't

2579
01:50:43,280 --> 01:50:45,200
Speaker 2: they never they've never been let out of the house before.

2580
01:50:45,280 --> 01:50:47,080
Speaker 2: They don't know where it's like to win football games.

2581
01:50:47,520 --> 01:50:52,160
Speaker 3: So spending every single dome that they have daddy's money,

2582
01:50:52,160 --> 01:50:53,679
Speaker 3: mama's money, grandma's money.

2583
01:50:53,680 --> 01:50:56,000
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter the trust fund once in a lifetime

2584
01:50:56,000 --> 01:50:58,479
Speaker 2: opportunity because it might be, you know, they can win

2585
01:50:58,520 --> 01:51:00,519
Speaker 2: this national championship. I don't think it's gonna happen, but

2586
01:51:00,560 --> 01:51:01,679
Speaker 2: then they can fall off the cliff.

2587
01:51:01,720 --> 01:51:03,080
Speaker 5: Signetti could go to Pittsburgh.

2588
01:51:03,160 --> 01:51:06,560
Speaker 2: It's very possible. It's not happening, but as possible.

2589
01:51:06,840 --> 01:51:09,759
Speaker 5: I just I have all the faith in this team

2590
01:51:09,800 --> 01:51:13,519
Speaker 5: being such a well oiled machine and looking so perfect

2591
01:51:13,640 --> 01:51:19,680
Speaker 5: so far. You mentioned the touchdown to incompletion ratio with

2592
01:51:19,800 --> 01:51:23,120
Speaker 5: Fernando Mendoza and just how dominant he has been so.

2593
01:51:23,200 --> 01:51:25,200
Speaker 2: Far five in completion's eight touchdowns.

2594
01:51:26,160 --> 01:51:28,479
Speaker 5: This is unheard of, and they just seem to be

2595
01:51:28,520 --> 01:51:31,280
Speaker 5: a step ahead of where everybody else is, which.

2596
01:51:31,120 --> 01:51:32,640
Speaker 3: By the way, does not mean they're cheating. And I

2597
01:51:32,640 --> 01:51:34,439
Speaker 3: don't know where all that stuff came from earlier this week.

2598
01:51:34,479 --> 01:51:35,120
Speaker 2: I know it is Pere.

2599
01:51:35,160 --> 01:51:37,320
Speaker 5: It's another Big ten team that was cheating not too

2600
01:51:37,320 --> 01:51:37,760
Speaker 5: long ago.

2601
01:51:37,840 --> 01:51:39,000
Speaker 2: Hey, they're better than Michigan.

2602
01:51:39,640 --> 01:51:42,280
Speaker 5: Oh, Indiana, man, exactly, it's not about the Michigan.

2603
01:51:42,439 --> 01:51:44,599
Speaker 2: Indiana doesn't have to resort to those sort of things

2604
01:51:44,680 --> 01:51:45,760
Speaker 2: at them. They're way above that.

2605
01:51:45,840 --> 01:51:47,880
Speaker 5: Ye let me tell you about a former Indiana man.

2606
01:51:49,360 --> 01:51:49,719
Speaker 2: Exactly.

2607
01:51:49,800 --> 01:51:51,800
Speaker 3: That's why you hated John Wooden so much. It was

2608
01:51:51,840 --> 01:51:53,519
Speaker 3: because of the booster and all the money they're paying

2609
01:51:53,520 --> 01:51:54,240
Speaker 3: players back then.

2610
01:51:54,840 --> 01:51:56,920
Speaker 5: So you think this is going to be a game

2611
01:51:56,960 --> 01:51:59,639
Speaker 5: where Indiana covers or do I need to wait for this?

2612
01:52:00,320 --> 01:52:01,960
Speaker 5: That prediction coming up in a little bit here.

2613
01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:03,639
Speaker 2: We will have that prediction coming up on a little bit.

2614
01:52:03,680 --> 01:52:05,160
Speaker 3: One thing I will say, if you want to say

2615
01:52:05,160 --> 01:52:07,360
Speaker 3: that Miami has a shot, they do have a huge

2616
01:52:07,400 --> 01:52:10,120
Speaker 3: offensive line, and they've been running the ball spectacularly throughout

2617
01:52:10,120 --> 01:52:12,759
Speaker 3: this playoff run, and they do have a size advantage

2618
01:52:12,840 --> 01:52:15,600
Speaker 3: up front. So what will work in their favor is

2619
01:52:15,600 --> 01:52:17,960
Speaker 3: if they're able to basically run the ball down their

2620
01:52:17,960 --> 01:52:20,479
Speaker 3: throats and play ball control. And look, they played ball

2621
01:52:20,520 --> 01:52:23,160
Speaker 3: control against Ole Miss and still almost lost. Yeah, Like

2622
01:52:23,200 --> 01:52:25,599
Speaker 3: they dominated a time of possession. Now, granted they dropped

2623
01:52:25,600 --> 01:52:27,519
Speaker 3: four interceptions, so that game probably should have been a

2624
01:52:27,520 --> 01:52:30,840
Speaker 3: bigger blowout, but neither here nor there. They played the

2625
01:52:30,840 --> 01:52:33,200
Speaker 3: game they wanted to play and still had a close

2626
01:52:33,240 --> 01:52:33,960
Speaker 3: game on their hands.

2627
01:52:33,960 --> 01:52:36,160
Speaker 5: Well, and we should point out we have doubted Miami

2628
01:52:36,240 --> 01:52:38,960
Speaker 5: multiple times now and they have proved us wrong. Absolutely,

2629
01:52:38,960 --> 01:52:41,920
Speaker 5: we had ole miss winning that game. They won anyways,

2630
01:52:42,000 --> 01:52:44,840
Speaker 5: they are that dominant in the trenches. And if you

2631
01:52:44,920 --> 01:52:48,160
Speaker 5: can get after somebody's ass and they get after Fernando

2632
01:52:48,240 --> 01:52:50,400
Speaker 5: Mendoza and make him look a lot different like the

2633
01:52:50,439 --> 01:52:52,679
Speaker 5: New York Giants against Tom Brady and the Super Bowl,

2634
01:52:53,240 --> 01:52:54,840
Speaker 5: that's another path to win this game.

2635
01:52:54,880 --> 01:52:57,120
Speaker 2: And that's where Miami strength is on their defensive line.

2636
01:52:57,120 --> 01:52:57,240
Speaker 11: Now.

2637
01:52:57,240 --> 01:52:59,120
Speaker 3: The problem is, and the scouts have set this a

2638
01:52:59,160 --> 01:53:01,400
Speaker 3: former coaches like Mendoz is one of those guys where

2639
01:53:01,439 --> 01:53:03,479
Speaker 3: you can you can shake him up a little bit,

2640
01:53:03,479 --> 01:53:05,519
Speaker 3: but you can't rattle them, you know. And you go

2641
01:53:05,640 --> 01:53:07,800
Speaker 3: back to both the two games where they were on

2642
01:53:07,840 --> 01:53:09,840
Speaker 3: the ropes. I guess not count of the Ohio State game,

2643
01:53:10,040 --> 01:53:12,200
Speaker 3: but that Oregon game. What you always point to when

2644
01:53:12,200 --> 01:53:13,559
Speaker 3: he threw the pick six and came back to the

2645
01:53:13,560 --> 01:53:16,160
Speaker 3: next driving at the game winning drive. The exact same

2646
01:53:16,200 --> 01:53:18,720
Speaker 3: thing happened against Penn State. He threw a pick, they

2647
01:53:18,760 --> 01:53:21,240
Speaker 3: came back game winning drive and won the game. He

2648
01:53:21,240 --> 01:53:23,160
Speaker 3: has ice water in his veins. You can't shake him.

2649
01:53:23,200 --> 01:53:25,320
Speaker 3: You can't rattle the guy. Well, he's unflappable.

2650
01:53:25,360 --> 01:53:30,240
Speaker 5: He's got God on his side. It certainly helps his

2651
01:53:30,400 --> 01:53:33,599
Speaker 5: help so far. In the name of Kurt Signetti, no

2652
01:53:34,360 --> 01:53:36,880
Speaker 5: different God created Joey Faton.

2653
01:53:36,960 --> 01:53:39,680
Speaker 3: Now you saying that about Signetti, Well, I have our

2654
01:53:39,720 --> 01:53:42,080
Speaker 3: official pick for this game, as well as all of

2655
01:53:42,120 --> 01:53:44,720
Speaker 3: the divisional round games in the NFL coming up in

2656
01:53:44,840 --> 01:53:47,519
Speaker 3: the very next segment, the final segment of F and

2657
01:53:47,560 --> 01:53:49,960
Speaker 3: A on FSR here on Fox Football Saturday.

2658
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2660
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2661
01:53:59,040 --> 01:54:01,840
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2670
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Speaker 5: All Right, So we made some picks last week in

2671
01:54:23,120 --> 01:54:27,200
Speaker 5: the Wildcard round. And while I wasn't as scientific as

2672
01:54:27,240 --> 01:54:30,080
Speaker 5: I normally am with calculating these things, Kevin.

2673
01:54:29,880 --> 01:54:31,519
Speaker 4: Oh, you can count good for you.

2674
01:54:31,960 --> 01:54:35,840
Speaker 5: Pretty sure. We tied yep. How many games were there

2675
01:54:35,920 --> 01:54:36,480
Speaker 5: last week?

2676
01:54:37,080 --> 01:54:39,000
Speaker 2: What was it six?

2677
01:54:39,320 --> 01:54:41,920
Speaker 5: So we both went three and three and now we

2678
01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:44,360
Speaker 5: got four yep. And then we'll get two and then

2679
01:54:44,400 --> 01:54:46,560
Speaker 5: we'll get one. But we also have a national championship,

2680
01:54:46,560 --> 01:54:48,440
Speaker 5: we do, so we have five now is what it is.

2681
01:54:48,440 --> 01:54:51,240
Speaker 2: We have the four divisional games plus the National championship game.

2682
01:54:51,320 --> 01:54:53,800
Speaker 2: So there is a rubber match, a rubber game in

2683
01:54:53,840 --> 01:54:54,240
Speaker 2: this week.

2684
01:54:54,280 --> 01:54:56,280
Speaker 5: You can't get an even split there, No, we can.

2685
01:54:56,280 --> 01:54:57,280
Speaker 5: All right, where are we starting?

2686
01:54:57,280 --> 01:54:58,320
Speaker 2: All right, Well, let's start.

2687
01:54:58,120 --> 01:55:00,800
Speaker 3: With the NFL and we'll go to the Bills taking

2688
01:55:00,840 --> 01:55:04,240
Speaker 3: on the Denver Broncos. At last check, the Broncos were

2689
01:55:04,280 --> 01:55:06,480
Speaker 3: a one point favor over the Bills, so essentially you

2690
01:55:06,560 --> 01:55:07,320
Speaker 3: pick them.

2691
01:55:07,960 --> 01:55:11,160
Speaker 5: This is a tough game for me. No, it's not.

2692
01:55:11,240 --> 01:55:15,440
Speaker 5: I'm taking the Broncos like that defense is fierce. Yeah,

2693
01:55:15,480 --> 01:55:17,800
Speaker 5: and Josh Allen was so special at the end of

2694
01:55:17,800 --> 01:55:20,640
Speaker 5: that game against Jacksonville with that last drive where you

2695
01:55:20,760 --> 01:55:22,920
Speaker 5: just knew if he has the ball last, he's going

2696
01:55:22,960 --> 01:55:25,680
Speaker 5: to get it done. But you still saw the cracks

2697
01:55:25,680 --> 01:55:27,960
Speaker 5: with that Bill's team not being one of the better

2698
01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:29,560
Speaker 5: squads in the Josh Allen era.

2699
01:55:29,800 --> 01:55:32,200
Speaker 3: And the Jaguars shot themselves in the foot by not

2700
01:55:32,280 --> 01:55:36,120
Speaker 3: running the ball against a very very porous Bills run defense. Now,

2701
01:55:36,440 --> 01:55:38,800
Speaker 3: the Broncos run offense isn't great, but they're like middle

2702
01:55:38,800 --> 01:55:40,720
Speaker 3: of the pack, so at the very least they'll be

2703
01:55:40,720 --> 01:55:42,400
Speaker 3: able to keep it honest and hit some plays over

2704
01:55:42,440 --> 01:55:42,720
Speaker 3: the top.

2705
01:55:42,800 --> 01:55:43,840
Speaker 2: Jordan Poyer is out.

2706
01:55:44,000 --> 01:55:46,040
Speaker 3: I know Ed Oliver's back up front for on the

2707
01:55:46,080 --> 01:55:48,080
Speaker 3: defensive line, but he's been out for two and a

2708
01:55:48,080 --> 01:55:50,320
Speaker 3: half months at this point in time. So I'm with you.

2709
01:55:50,400 --> 01:55:52,240
Speaker 3: I like the Denver Broncos to get the victory here

2710
01:55:52,520 --> 01:55:54,080
Speaker 3: avenge last year's playoff loss.

2711
01:55:54,080 --> 01:55:55,600
Speaker 5: Wait, what do we need him to win by so the.

2712
01:55:55,600 --> 01:55:58,120
Speaker 2: Broncos, Well there minus one, So I mean it's it's

2713
01:55:58,160 --> 01:55:59,520
Speaker 2: basically a pick them right.

2714
01:55:59,480 --> 01:56:01,520
Speaker 5: All right, So as long as they win by two?

2715
01:56:01,520 --> 01:56:04,160
Speaker 5: Were clear Ever, tell me the odds and they're coing

2716
01:56:04,240 --> 01:56:07,840
Speaker 5: to They got an Oregon duck quarterback. Who when did

2717
01:56:07,880 --> 01:56:09,920
Speaker 5: he come out? Was he twenty five when he came

2718
01:56:09,960 --> 01:56:10,600
Speaker 5: out of college?

2719
01:56:10,680 --> 01:56:12,200
Speaker 2: Yes, he was in college for a while.

2720
01:56:12,240 --> 01:56:15,400
Speaker 5: I had five years on Dante Moore. Yeah, don't crucify

2721
01:56:15,520 --> 01:56:19,040
Speaker 5: Dante more. People. Let him have that college experience, all right,

2722
01:56:19,480 --> 01:56:20,800
Speaker 5: Live a little bit Yeah, he's.

2723
01:56:20,680 --> 01:56:22,320
Speaker 2: Having a good time hanging out the student union.

2724
01:56:22,400 --> 01:56:23,800
Speaker 5: Right, we're gonna win that championship.

2725
01:56:23,840 --> 01:56:26,400
Speaker 3: How about forty nine ers on the road taking on

2726
01:56:26,440 --> 01:56:29,960
Speaker 3: the Seattle Seahawks a rematch in the NFC West with

2727
01:56:30,120 --> 01:56:32,120
Speaker 3: Seattle being a seven point favorite.

2728
01:56:32,200 --> 01:56:36,360
Speaker 5: Okay, Niners won the first game of the season in Seattle.

2729
01:56:37,320 --> 01:56:40,480
Speaker 5: That was a close one, and they lost the second.

2730
01:56:40,160 --> 01:56:41,640
Speaker 2: One at home fairly convincingly.

2731
01:56:42,520 --> 01:56:47,440
Speaker 5: Hmm Wait, what's the cessas M Darnold is bs injury

2732
01:56:47,720 --> 01:56:48,640
Speaker 5: his oblique injury.

2733
01:56:48,680 --> 01:56:51,240
Speaker 2: He's listed as questionable but says he plans to play

2734
01:56:51,440 --> 01:56:54,560
Speaker 2: again as a weak infjury just came out of nowhere, random,

2735
01:56:54,560 --> 01:56:56,400
Speaker 2: out of the ether on like Wednesday afternoon.

2736
01:56:56,440 --> 01:56:58,160
Speaker 5: Do you think they'd be favored by more if he

2737
01:56:58,160 --> 01:57:02,000
Speaker 5: didn't play. No, that's absolutely not too far.

2738
01:57:02,560 --> 01:57:04,560
Speaker 2: I don't know who their backup quarterback. Yes, what's the

2739
01:57:04,600 --> 01:57:08,000
Speaker 2: spread minus four? It is a minus seven minus seven.

2740
01:57:08,480 --> 01:57:10,280
Speaker 2: Seattle is a seven point mine is seven.

2741
01:57:10,880 --> 01:57:14,520
Speaker 5: Give me the Niners plus the points the backup.

2742
01:57:14,840 --> 01:57:17,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, they would not be favorite with that. I'm actually

2743
01:57:17,200 --> 01:57:20,280
Speaker 3: taking Seattle minus seven. The forty nine ers are banged up, No,

2744
01:57:20,440 --> 01:57:22,400
Speaker 3: George Kittle, I know they have Tret Williams of Ricky

2745
01:57:22,400 --> 01:57:24,880
Speaker 3: Pierce all back, great, that'll help solid for them.

2746
01:57:25,320 --> 01:57:25,720
Speaker 2: Uh.

2747
01:57:25,800 --> 01:57:27,360
Speaker 3: They thought they were gonna get a boost with Fred

2748
01:57:27,320 --> 01:57:29,000
Speaker 3: and Warrener coming back. He will not be returning to

2749
01:57:29,040 --> 01:57:32,200
Speaker 3: the lineup. Defensively, they've done a great job, admirable season

2750
01:57:32,200 --> 01:57:34,120
Speaker 3: for them. I think this is just a bad matchup

2751
01:57:34,120 --> 01:57:35,880
Speaker 3: for them. That Seattle defense is gonna be all over

2752
01:57:35,920 --> 01:57:39,000
Speaker 3: brock Party. So I like Seattle to win this, probably

2753
01:57:39,000 --> 01:57:41,240
Speaker 3: by ten. So I see them covering that seven point spread.

2754
01:57:41,640 --> 01:57:43,520
Speaker 5: You know, they got Sam Donald at quarterback.

2755
01:57:43,640 --> 01:57:46,400
Speaker 3: I'm aware they have to overcome Sam Donald, but I

2756
01:57:46,440 --> 01:57:47,840
Speaker 3: think they're good enough to be able to do it

2757
01:57:47,920 --> 01:57:50,160
Speaker 3: against this particular forty nine er team.

2758
01:57:50,280 --> 01:57:52,480
Speaker 5: And beat them by eight. Really all right, all right,

2759
01:57:53,040 --> 01:57:54,200
Speaker 5: you know that's your opinion.

2760
01:57:54,280 --> 01:57:58,160
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, on to off this year. How about we

2761
01:57:58,200 --> 01:58:04,240
Speaker 2: go to New England Patriots hosting the Houston Texans. Patriots

2762
01:58:04,240 --> 01:58:06,040
Speaker 2: are a three point home favorite.

2763
01:58:08,040 --> 01:58:12,200
Speaker 5: I like the pass to cover this. Drake May he

2764
01:58:12,440 --> 01:58:15,200
Speaker 5: was rattled at times in that game. His first playoff.

2765
01:58:14,840 --> 01:58:17,000
Speaker 2: Pretty well last week though very well, to be honest.

2766
01:58:16,720 --> 01:58:19,960
Speaker 5: But my god, was that touchdown throw in the second

2767
01:58:20,000 --> 01:58:20,640
Speaker 5: half of thing.

2768
01:58:20,520 --> 01:58:21,480
Speaker 2: In beauty excellent?

2769
01:58:21,800 --> 01:58:24,839
Speaker 5: That was as good as any touchdown throw that anybody

2770
01:58:24,880 --> 01:58:26,960
Speaker 5: threw in the wild card round. I think it was

2771
01:58:27,000 --> 01:58:29,680
Speaker 5: the best, actually three defenders there. It was an absolute

2772
01:58:29,800 --> 01:58:32,920
Speaker 5: dime after he had already been knocked around, fumbled a

2773
01:58:32,960 --> 01:58:35,600
Speaker 5: couple of times, did have a pick. It was a tipball.

2774
01:58:37,080 --> 01:58:40,240
Speaker 5: I like Drake May. I like what I'm seeing. I

2775
01:58:40,280 --> 01:58:43,600
Speaker 5: think they have two wins against teams above five hundred

2776
01:58:43,640 --> 01:58:45,640
Speaker 5: now after being the Chargers last week.

2777
01:58:45,720 --> 01:58:48,800
Speaker 3: Yes, that is true. They have a horrible schedule. As

2778
01:58:48,840 --> 01:58:50,120
Speaker 3: we talked about at nauseum.

2779
01:58:50,320 --> 01:58:52,040
Speaker 2: Houston Texas one of them, but not one of the

2780
01:58:52,040 --> 01:58:53,960
Speaker 2: the best defense in the entire league.

2781
01:58:54,040 --> 01:58:56,480
Speaker 3: The Chargers got after Drake May a lot last week.

2782
01:58:56,480 --> 01:58:59,480
Speaker 3: He's the second most pressure quarterback in the NFL behind

2783
01:58:59,600 --> 01:59:02,000
Speaker 3: Justin Hrbe, but didn't affect them too much. He found

2784
01:59:02,000 --> 01:59:03,360
Speaker 3: a way to make plays, as you mentioned, when it

2785
01:59:03,360 --> 01:59:05,960
Speaker 3: mattered most, something Justin Herbert couldn't do. As much as

2786
01:59:06,000 --> 01:59:07,720
Speaker 3: I hate to do it, I'm taking the Patriots minus

2787
01:59:07,720 --> 01:59:10,240
Speaker 3: three over Houston. I just can't trust Houston's offense, especially

2788
01:59:10,480 --> 01:59:13,200
Speaker 3: with Nico Collins being out with the concussion. He's not

2789
01:59:13,240 --> 01:59:15,480
Speaker 3: gonna play. They can't run the ball, Alack. I just

2790
01:59:15,560 --> 01:59:18,080
Speaker 3: don't see. I know the Texas defense is good I

2791
01:59:18,080 --> 01:59:20,280
Speaker 3: don't know if they're good enough to shut the Patriots out.

2792
01:59:20,520 --> 01:59:22,600
Speaker 3: So I think that Patriots can score enough points against

2793
01:59:22,640 --> 01:59:25,920
Speaker 3: Houston's defense. And Houston's offense is pretty much listless at

2794
01:59:25,920 --> 01:59:26,840
Speaker 3: this point.

2795
01:59:26,480 --> 01:59:31,200
Speaker 5: And nobody knew that the Patriots defense could ramp up

2796
01:59:31,480 --> 01:59:34,640
Speaker 5: like that the way they did last week. If they

2797
01:59:34,640 --> 01:59:37,200
Speaker 5: have some new wrinkles, that they have some scheming in

2798
01:59:37,240 --> 01:59:39,600
Speaker 5: the playoffs, that's just a little bit different out there

2799
01:59:39,600 --> 01:59:43,280
Speaker 5: with Rabel. That makes them a much more formidable foe.

2800
01:59:43,480 --> 01:59:46,600
Speaker 5: It looked like they were rising to the moment it did.

2801
01:59:47,840 --> 01:59:50,760
Speaker 3: The last game in the NFL on Sunday Night, Rams

2802
01:59:50,800 --> 01:59:53,120
Speaker 3: on the Road is Chicago taking on the Bears. The

2803
01:59:53,120 --> 01:59:55,840
Speaker 3: Bears the comeback kids have been down double digits multiple times,

2804
01:59:55,920 --> 01:59:59,000
Speaker 3: keep finding ways to win. The Rams survived your Panthers

2805
01:59:59,080 --> 02:00:02,400
Speaker 3: last week. Sorry, four point road favorite in Chicago.

2806
02:00:02,880 --> 02:00:07,440
Speaker 5: I'm still upset about that game because, let me let

2807
02:00:07,440 --> 02:00:12,320
Speaker 5: me ask you something. If they're driving that easily as

2808
02:00:12,360 --> 02:00:15,400
Speaker 5: they did before the touchdown of Parkinson, where Matt Stafford

2809
02:00:15,440 --> 02:00:18,480
Speaker 5: was six of seven throwing the football, at some point,

2810
02:00:18,640 --> 02:00:21,360
Speaker 5: I'm gonna call a time out and make sure my

2811
02:00:21,480 --> 02:00:24,520
Speaker 5: offense has more time because it's very likely at least

2812
02:00:24,520 --> 02:00:26,640
Speaker 5: it was looking that way that the Rams were going

2813
02:00:26,720 --> 02:00:30,760
Speaker 5: to score, greded them when they had to. I'm just

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02:00:30,840 --> 02:00:34,440
Speaker 5: saying I should be the Panthers coach. I'll take the Rams.

2815
02:00:34,640 --> 02:00:36,120
Speaker 2: I actually have the Bears cover on the spread.

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02:00:36,560 --> 02:00:38,120
Speaker 3: I think the Rams win, but I do think it's

2817
02:00:38,440 --> 02:00:40,320
Speaker 3: by three, maybe a field goal at the end. They've

2818
02:00:40,320 --> 02:00:42,520
Speaker 3: been playing kind of on the edge here these last

2819
02:00:42,520 --> 02:00:43,960
Speaker 3: few weeks, so I do think they find a way

2820
02:00:43,960 --> 02:00:45,640
Speaker 3: to get the victory in Chicago, but I don't think

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02:00:45,680 --> 02:00:47,640
Speaker 3: it'll be easy. And then our last matchup is a

2822
02:00:47,640 --> 02:00:50,160
Speaker 3: college football National championship game. In the last thirty seconds

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02:00:50,200 --> 02:00:52,040
Speaker 3: of the show, here Indiana eight and a half point

2824
02:00:52,040 --> 02:00:52,840
Speaker 3: favorites over Miami.

2825
02:00:52,920 --> 02:00:58,240
Speaker 5: What do you got Never tell me the odds, Indiana. Yeah,

2826
02:00:58,280 --> 02:01:00,640
Speaker 5: I'm not going against that bus soft pretty one there, right,

2827
02:01:00,680 --> 02:01:01,320
Speaker 5: they're gonna cover.

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02:01:01,440 --> 02:01:03,720
Speaker 2: Sorry, Miami. I think the magic runs out this weekend.

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02:01:03,760 --> 02:01:05,160
Speaker 3: I know you're going to be at home or on

2830
02:01:05,200 --> 02:01:06,800
Speaker 3: Monday night, I should say you're gonna be at home,

2831
02:01:06,800 --> 02:01:08,880
Speaker 3: but it's gonna feel like a road environment. There is

2832
02:01:08,920 --> 02:01:11,480
Speaker 3: going to be a sea of red at Harrock Stadium,

2833
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Speaker 3: and the University of Indiana is going to win the

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Speaker 3: National Championship. How insane is that Thank you breath, Thank you,

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Speaker 3: Mark Project and al Next here on FSR