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Speaker 1: This one Bill's Live presented by Kalida Health.

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Speaker 2: All right, it's a Tuesday. We're ready to still talk

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Speaker 3: So there's that to look forward to an hour number two.

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Speaker 3: Developments around the NFL.

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Speaker 2: Steve today, and I would say probably the headliner is

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Speaker 2: what the Packers decided to do on Jordan Love. Just

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Speaker 2: days after consummating the trade of Aaron Rodgers to the Jets.

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Speaker 2: The Packers make as much of a commitment as possible

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Speaker 2: without a ton of evidence on what he is going

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Speaker 2: to be. To Jordan Love, they decline the fifty year option.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday deadline came and went, but today they sign him

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Speaker 2: to a one year extension for twenty two and a

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Speaker 2: half million dollars, thirteen and a half of which is guaranteed. Clearly,

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Speaker 2: the Packers saw this as a better option than the

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Speaker 2: fifty year option, which would guaranteed a full twenty and

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Speaker 2: a quarter million. As we know, the fifty year option

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Speaker 2: salaries are fully guaranteed barring injury. And so the packers

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Speaker 2: did not want to do that, and they came to

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Speaker 2: terms on a contract that actually gives him a little

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Speaker 2: bit more money but spreads it out, but only guarantees

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Speaker 2: a little more than half of it rather than all

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Speaker 2: of it. And I get it from a packer's perspective,

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Speaker 2: it's like, well, hold on a second, here, we got

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Speaker 2: we gotta know what we got first, but let's give

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Speaker 2: you two years to make this work. This year and

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Speaker 2: next year that's your on ramp period. And if we're

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Speaker 2: not seeing anything, then we may have to pull the

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Speaker 2: ripcord and start over, something that the packers have not

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Speaker 2: had to do in about thirty years.

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Speaker 4: My question is why is Jordan Love signed that deal?

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Speaker 3: Um, it's a good question.

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Speaker 2: But on you once the packers tell you we're declining

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Speaker 2: the fifth year option, what other option do you have?

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Speaker 2: Just don't sign anything and going to free agency next year?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, and what if you flop, still go in there.

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Speaker 4: That's the thing. So he this is about him and

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Speaker 4: his safety net.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's either I get a one year, I get

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Speaker 2: one year to show him good. Or the packers here

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Speaker 2: are willing to give me two years to show him

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Speaker 2: good because they're not going to pay him twenty million

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Speaker 2: dollars thirteen and a half guaranteed and then ship him off.

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Speaker 3: Well, here's unless he's completely dreadful this year.

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Speaker 4: That's right, here's what it is.

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Speaker 5: Jordan Love took thirteen million guaranteed now instead of playing

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Speaker 5: the season in the hopes of getting twenty over twenty

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Speaker 5: million guaranteed. Actually, except they already declined it. So if

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Speaker 5: he didn't sign that deal, if he didn't sign that deal,

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Speaker 5: you're meaning this ext this extension. The Packers got him

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Speaker 5: for one year and that's it. And that's and then

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Speaker 5: that would to me if if you're Jordan Love and

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Speaker 5: you're gonna bet on yourself, you're not gonna get into

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Speaker 5: a better spot now, and they're gonna get into a

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Speaker 5: better spot than you are right now. You've been there

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Speaker 5: for two or three years, you know the offense. You're

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Speaker 5: gonna roll with this offense. Let them decline your fifth year,

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Speaker 5: because then if they if you'd hit it out of

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Speaker 5: the park, they're gonna franchise you and then you get

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Speaker 5: forty million.

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Speaker 4: Guaranteed.

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Speaker 2: It'll probably be close to that by next year. The

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Speaker 2: franchise it's thirty two and change.

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Speaker 5: Now, no, that's the exclusive, that's the non exclusive franchise.

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Speaker 5: It's already over forty for the exclusive franchise, right, so

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Speaker 5: if they exclusive franchise them, it's gonna be forty five

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Speaker 5: forty six million next year.

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Speaker 4: I don't sign that deal.

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Speaker 5: If I'm Jordan Love, you got come on, man, take

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Speaker 5: a bet on yourself for a minute. You've been there

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Speaker 5: for three years learning this because you're finally gonna get

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Speaker 5: a chance to spread your wings, and you're going, you.

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Speaker 4: Know what, I don't know. What are you doing?

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Speaker 5: The only thing him signing this deal is akin to

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Speaker 5: saying I don't think I got it.

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Speaker 3: Really, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: Wonder if it's I have two years to really perfect

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Speaker 2: this for sure? If I sign this, because are they

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Speaker 5: That all sounds great except the fact he's already been

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Speaker 5: there three I know he's got to know what's going on.

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Speaker 5: He's got to be ready for this. You would think

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Speaker 5: have a rapport with these guys. He's got to know

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Speaker 4: He's got to be well, he's got to be chomping

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Speaker 2: Well, maybe because of that he wants to stay, and

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Speaker 2: so all they're willing to give him right now is

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Speaker 2: a one year extension, and they probably tell him, look, Jordan,

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Speaker 2: we like you, we believe in you, but we can't

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Speaker 2: get to a spot yet where we give you a

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Speaker 2: big long term contract extension. We need to see it

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Speaker 2: on the field. Once that happens, and if it happens

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Speaker 2: this year, maybe we talk Turkey next year and tear

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Speaker 2: up we've got for next year, which they can do

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Speaker 2: now because once you exercise the fifty year option, you're

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Speaker 2: committed to it.

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Speaker 4: Right and you can't you can't bail.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think this affords the Packers' flexibility also,

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Speaker 2: so if Jordan, so let's take it from we look

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Speaker 2: took it from the negative side.

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Speaker 3: Let's take it from the positive side.

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Speaker 2: Jordan Love comes out and hits a home run, goes

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Speaker 2: to the Pro Bowl, throws forty touchdown passes and is

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Speaker 2: in the running for League MVP. Well, now they can

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Speaker 2: go back to the table and say you want to

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Speaker 2: tear it like his age is probably gonna go, let's

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Speaker 2: tear up this thing for twenty twenty four and start over,

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Speaker 2: or we're not coming to camp.

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Speaker 4: There you go, right, I get all that.

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Speaker 5: No, he could have been a free agent, right, and

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Speaker 5: the packers just choke, just puked up one hundred million

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Speaker 4: What do you think they're gonna do for this guy?

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Speaker 5: I mean, really, this to me reeks of uncertainty on

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Speaker 2: Well, it's uncertainty on the packer's side because it's only

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Speaker 2: one year.

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Speaker 3: That's number one.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, you probably you probably have a point that

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Speaker 2: Jordan Love is a little uncertain himself.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I get it. Taking eight million bucks.

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Speaker 3: Guaranteed, thirteen and a half guaranteed.

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Speaker 5: He gets thirteen million bucks guaranteed a year early, where

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Speaker 5: he could have had twenty two million and a court

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Speaker 5: twenty two or twenty over twenty million guaranteed, I mean.

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Speaker 3: Fifty year options.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and the fifth under.

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Speaker 3: Factors weren't signed. They weren't they were declining it. Well,

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Speaker 3: you knew you're not.

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Speaker 4: You knew you weren't getting that.

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Speaker 2: So here here you have an opportunity to lock in

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Speaker 2: twenty million dollars or twenty two and a half million dollars,

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Speaker 2: and you haven't done a lick at anything in this league.

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Speaker 3: So let me put it to.

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Speaker 2: You that way, Steve. You're a you're a third year player,

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Speaker 2: you've barely gotten on the field. You have a really

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Speaker 2: good chance to start this year and play the whole

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Speaker 2: season as a starter. But before you even go to OTA's,

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Speaker 2: your team comes to you and says, hey want to

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Speaker 2: tack a year onto what you're making. Now, how does

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Speaker 2: twenty two and a half million sound and will guarantee

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Speaker 2: thirteen and a half of it?

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Speaker 3: Aren't you signing it?

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Speaker 5: I don't know, man, I just think it. It's to me.

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Speaker 2: You think he's sacrificing a chance to make a lot

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Speaker 2: more money?

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Speaker 5: Oh obviously, absolutely absolutely, which which is which is a

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Speaker 5: valid point because when you have thirty two teams bidding

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Speaker 5: on your services, the price is going.

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Speaker 3: To go up, and wouldn't be all thirty two but

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Speaker 3: probably twenty.

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Speaker 5: I signed a one year, twenty two point five and

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Speaker 5: thirteen to fives guaranteed.

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Speaker 3: But he hadn't done anything.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I've been there for three years.

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Speaker 3: I know I got all the respect.

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Speaker 4: He's been there for three years.

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Speaker 2: I got all the respect in the world. For the

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Speaker 2: betting on yourself mantra. I get it, totally get it.

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Speaker 3: He chose not to do that.

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Speaker 4: That tells you. That tells you what you need to know.

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Speaker 3: Right there now, Steve Tasker thinks less of it.

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Speaker 4: I do.

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Speaker 5: I don't command not only do that, not only that,

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Speaker 5: you tell them they they're not gonna do your fifth

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Speaker 5: year option. Would you like to sign a deal now?

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Speaker 5: I would not, thank you, no, Yah, And I'll tell

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Speaker 5: you this, You're gonna have a hard time getting me

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Speaker 5: to sign anything because I got one year to prove this.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna go. Let's go, and let me tell you.

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Speaker 5: Let's not forget they're playing against the Lions and the

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Speaker 5: Bears twice, and the and Minnesota.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I get all that.

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Speaker 5: They're gonna win that division with Jordan Love. Then what

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Speaker 3: Are you convinced of that.

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Speaker 4: They're as good as any of those teams?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Detroit was a tough out last year.

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Speaker 3: They should they should be better this year. Well, of course, they.

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Speaker 2: Go back and look at their his players for go

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Speaker 2: back in six games because they were betting on right

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Speaker 2: college basketball.

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Speaker 5: Go back and look at their history after they have

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Speaker 5: a nice year, go back and look at their history.

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Speaker 3: It's not it's not rosy. I'll give you.

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Speaker 4: That same thing.

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Speaker 5: With the Bears, They're still they still they're still still

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Speaker 5: still coasting on that eleven win season, the double point games.

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Speaker 5: I mean, they that division is an atrocity. That's why

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Speaker 5: the that's why the I'm telling you they're gonna he

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Speaker 5: I think he totally missed an opportunity. Now he may

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Speaker 5: know something about himself that he says, Listen, I better

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Speaker 5: take the thirteen million while I can, because I'm never

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Speaker 5: going to see another dime because I stink that's what

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Speaker 5: he's basically saying.

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Speaker 2: Well, then if that's the case, and he's and he's

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Speaker 2: right about that, then he is smart because he's taking it.

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Speaker 5: Right to me, that's what he's saying, because he doesn't

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Speaker 5: give himself anything by taking this deal because it gives

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Speaker 5: him an extra year to dangle him along, and twenty

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Speaker 5: two million isn't what he should be making if he has,

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Speaker 5: if he knocks it out of the park like you

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Speaker 5: said they will, they'll tear up the contract. Fine, but

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Speaker 5: you're only dealing with the packers. You're not dealing with

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Speaker 5: the Packers and the and Minnesota and Detroit and Chicago

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Speaker 5: and LA and all these other teams.

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Speaker 2: So do you give credit to the packers for the

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Speaker 2: snow job that they've just executed here?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Good business.

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Speaker 5: I mean it's good business. But I I if I'm

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Speaker 5: up at the top of the packer organization, I'm looking

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Speaker 4: That contract is perfect.

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Speaker 5: Leave it alone, right, Leave it alone because it'll because

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Speaker 4: That's it's the perfect they got.

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Speaker 4: You yeah, you got it. Go and just leave it, man,

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Speaker 5: It's nice job. Forget all the bad stuff they're saying

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Speaker 4: Throw money after Jared Goff.

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Speaker 5: And I don't know, and I'll say this, this is

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Speaker 4: Yeah, But.

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Speaker 4: The best guy you can possibly get.

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Speaker 3: Almost frame his money. Why do they feel they have

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Speaker 4: You know how we get these contracts. Nobody sees the

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Speaker 5: Let's see what you got and just light a fire

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Speaker 5: I told you I was hammering that Joe Tipman. He

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Speaker 2: That is Around the NFL presented by Kalida Healthy, Official

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Speaker 2: Healthcare System of the Buffalo Bills. We have an interesting

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Speaker 3: What is your rookie year.

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Speaker 3: It really hasn't happened. Steve right, he's twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 4: That's right. It's a different team though, too.

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Speaker 5: Think about this and Brownie and I lack of effectiveness. You,

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Speaker 3: I think one of the top three receivers are.

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Speaker 2: That may be you know that may be like a

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Speaker 2: I think gags are on the field, but maybe Khalis

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Speaker 2: Shakira isn't, or Deontay Hardy, Deontay Hardy or Trench Herfield.

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Speaker 2: I mean, insert third receiver here, take him off the

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Speaker 2: field and put Dalton Kin Kate on.

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Speaker 4: So I think here's my because remember.

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Speaker 3: What Brandon Bean called it, called it twelve person called

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Speaker 3: it eleven and a half. But here's thinking the receiver.

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Speaker 3: A third receiver's coming.

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Speaker 4: Off to me here. That may be, but here's my point.

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Speaker 5: Dawson Knox, I don't think his targets drop at all,

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Speaker 5: not at all.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I think it's gonna be.

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Speaker 5: He's gonna have the almost identical role he had a

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Speaker 5: year ago, and the targets to Steph Diggs aren't gonna

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Speaker 5: do anything but stay the same or go up who

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Speaker 5: Gabe Davis on the other side the same thing. Although

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Speaker 5: I think there'll be competition over there. I think the

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Speaker 5: question mark is what happens in the slot. Is it

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Speaker 5: gonna be Dalton Kin Kaid, Is it gonna be Trent Sherfield,

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Speaker 5: Is it gonna be Deontay Hardy, Is it gonna be

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Speaker 5: Khalil Shakir? All those guys have the chops to play

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Speaker 5: that spot. Now Kincaid has shown the ability to get

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Speaker 5: open and be available, and maybe he gets the kind

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Speaker 5: of targets that Cole Beasley got two years ago. Okay,

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Speaker 5: that in and of itself is in direct contrast to

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Speaker 5: what they have done with other positions all over their roster.

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Speaker 4: Now, this may be a different year.

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Speaker 5: They may be under caprice constraints, and they may want

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Speaker 5: to have a philosophical shift where all of a sudden,

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Speaker 5: this this draft pick is different than all the others

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Speaker 5: we've had.

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Speaker 4: But I don't think so. I don't think.

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Speaker 5: I don't think Dalton Kincaid is going to transform their

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Speaker 5: philosophy of how guys play and when they play.

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Speaker 2: On that very subject, this was a question that we

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Speaker 2: posed to Brandon Bean when we had him on the

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Speaker 2: show at the NFL Combine in Indianapolis. We talked about

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Speaker 2: how the Chiefs, who are admittedly about a couple of

484
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Speaker 2: years ahead of where the Bills are in their build

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Speaker 2: of their roster, had to rely tremendously on rookies last

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Speaker 2: year and put them out onto the field because they

487
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Speaker 2: needed cheap labor on their roster to stay under the

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Speaker 2: cap paying Patrick Mahomes more money.

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Speaker 3: He's gobbling up more of the cap.

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Speaker 2: They need more cheap labor, not only on their roster

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Speaker 2: but on the field. Starting what was it eight or

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Speaker 2: nine rookies started for them in the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if they started, but they certainly got

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Speaker 5: significant playing time. So yeah, there were nine rookies on

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Speaker 5: the field for the for the Chiefs in the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: We know that the Bills are paying Josh Allen salary,

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Speaker 2: it's a little bit higher now they have a lead

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Speaker 2: player on this roster like Von Miller, Steph Diggs, Trey

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Speaker 2: White and others that are gobbling up large portions of

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Speaker 2: the cap.

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Speaker 3: They need cheap labor too.

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Speaker 2: We know that this is a team that historically has

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Speaker 2: not put rookies on the field sooner rather than later.

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Speaker 2: So we asked Brandon Bean at the combine, might there

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Speaker 2: be a shift in that philosophy going forward, knowing their

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Speaker 2: constraints against the cap.

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Speaker 3: Here's what Brandon Bean said.

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Speaker 7: And that's where it's the ones I look right in

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Speaker 7: the mirror comes back to me. I've got to make

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Speaker 7: sure that you know, myself and our personnel staff get

511
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Speaker 7: guys that can help us immediately. Whether it's a starter

512
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Speaker 7: or a key you know, key role player, key contributor.

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Speaker 7: And again those guys in last year's class, you know,

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Speaker 7: we we're probably one of the slower teams to put

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Speaker 7: them out there.

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Speaker 8: To what your point, We're just.

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Speaker 7: You know, when you got a team that you feel

518
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Speaker 7: is is very good, you want to make sure you

519
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Speaker 7: just know and sometimes until you get them out there

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Speaker 7: in moments, you don't know. But we are going to

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Speaker 7: count on you know, these last couple draft classes that

522
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Speaker 7: are going into years two in years three, and then

523
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Speaker 7: you know the other guys on the team. But yeah,

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Speaker 7: this this upcoming draft class, we're going to count on

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Speaker 7: these guys too to help us in some you know,

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Speaker 7: some former fashion.

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Speaker 2: So it sounds as though they would be willing to

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Speaker 2: go in that direction. Again, I think Dalton Kincaid, Osiris Torrance,

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Speaker 2: maybe even Dorian Williams will have to do a lot

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Speaker 2: of convincing and training camp and in the preseason because

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Speaker 2: earning it is not going to change with the way

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Speaker 2: coach McDermott runs things. But if they show and demonstrate

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Speaker 2: an ability to be difference makers on this team, I

534
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Speaker 2: think they do have to get him on the field sooner.

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Speaker 4: And he said it too.

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Speaker 5: He goes, we're one of the slower teams to put

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Speaker 5: him out there, and he goes, this on me, I

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Speaker 5: got to get these players, find players that can get

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Speaker 5: out there. But they got a good roster. Let's face it,

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Speaker 5: they're yeah, they're loaded, so it's hard to come in

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Speaker 5: and bust into a lineup like the Bills can put

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Speaker 5: out there, particularly at the top.

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Speaker 4: End of it.

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Speaker 5: But here's how it works around all fifty all thirty

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Speaker 5: two teams that the GM or the guy who is

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Speaker 5: the de facto GM or whatever you want to label him.

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Speaker 5: He's you know, like Bill Belichick is the guy in

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Speaker 5: New England, and there's probably some other guys. You know,

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Speaker 5: Sean Payton probably in Denver, probably has that kind of power,

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Speaker 5: you know, kind of like that. But in all thirty

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Speaker 5: two teams, there's a guy who has this is the

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Speaker 5: fifty three guys. These are the guys he's And in

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Speaker 5: this case, like most teams, is Brandon Bean saying, here's

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Speaker 5: your roster, these are the guys. We've got these guys

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Speaker 5: I want there you go, or here's the eighty man roster.

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Speaker 5: You pick your fifty three and we'll go from all that.

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Speaker 5: You know how that is. Now they talk. Sean McDermott

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Speaker 5: and Brandon Bean are like all about it. They're good friends.

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Speaker 5: They work together very well, and you know, let's face it,

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Speaker 5: they they had been working towards working together like this

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Speaker 5: since they were assistant. Yeah, they were down the food

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Speaker 5: chain in Carolina. But that's how it works. So no

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Speaker 5: matter what Brandon Bean says or does, if he gets

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Speaker 5: fifty three guys in there, he doesn't decide who takes

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Speaker 5: the field at all. It's Sean McDermott and his staff

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Speaker 5: that says who's gonna take the snaps. So that's that's

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Speaker 5: the hurdle for the draft picks coming in. It's all

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Speaker 5: right finding dandy get drafted number one overall or number

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Speaker 5: two overall like James Cook did last year. But if

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Speaker 5: you can't convince the coaching staff once the practices start

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Speaker 5: that you're a better option, you're sitting right. There's none

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Speaker 5: of this Brandon Bean sitting over Sean's shoulder, going to listen,

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Speaker 5: you can make me look bad if this guy didn't play,

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Speaker 5: let's go. There's none of that going on. That's always

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Speaker 5: the way it's been that and it has worked it's

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Speaker 5: worked extremely well.

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Speaker 2: It has, but that is the question we posed to

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Speaker 2: you today. What is your rookie year outlook for the

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Speaker 2: bills top to draft choices Dalton Kinkad and Osiris Torrance.

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Speaker 2: You let us know at eight h three oh five

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Speaker 2: fifty one eight eight eight five fifty two five point

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Speaker 2: fifty open line for you there to get on board,

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Speaker 2: or you can hit us up on the tweets sheet

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Speaker 2: at One Bill's Live. We take a break here, but

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Speaker 2: back with your phone calls when we return here on

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Speaker 2: One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 3: Stay tuned, all right, Welcome back to One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 3: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker.

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Speaker 2: With you, asking you today what is your rookie year

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Speaker 2: outlook for the Bill's top two draft choices Dalton Kincaid

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Speaker 2: and Osiris Torreans. You can let us know at eight

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Speaker 2: oh three oh five fifty it's the local number to

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Speaker 2: get on board. One eight eight eight five point fifty

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Speaker 2: two five fifty the toll free number, or you can

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Speaker 2: hit us up on the tweet sheet add One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to the phones where we do have an

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Speaker 2: open line for you. But we're gonna lead off today

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Speaker 2: with Brian in Buffalo what do you got for us, Brian,

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Speaker 2: You're on One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 9: How you doing, guys? I was just wondering, what do

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Speaker 9: you think that they're going to use Kincaid as more

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Speaker 9: of like a Jason Whitten, or he's a natural tight

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Speaker 9: end or like Travis Kelcey like a receiver type. Yeah,

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Speaker 9: just to hear your answers.

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Speaker 5: Yep, it's a good question, and I don't know if

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Speaker 5: that there's an easy answer. I think he's going to

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Speaker 5: be moved around quite a bit. Cynthia Freeland was here

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Speaker 5: today and we have where she's going to be on

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Speaker 5: the podcast this week, and she noted that Travis Kelsey

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Speaker 5: last year, due to the roster maneuverings that the Chiefs

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Speaker 5: did last year, Kelsey played in so many different positions

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Speaker 5: that he had never lined up in the last three years.

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Speaker 5: This last season, in the Super Bowl year the Chiefs

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Speaker 5: went and won the Super Bowl, Kelsey moved into more

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Speaker 5: different positions as a receiver than he ever had leading

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Speaker 5: up to that point. This last year, maybe ken Kaid

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Speaker 5: is a candidate for that.

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Speaker 4: We don't know.

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Speaker 5: Certainly, his past catching abilities and his skill set in

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Speaker 5: the college level says that's exactly what he's.

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Speaker 4: Going to be used for we don't know.

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Speaker 5: We don't know whether it's going to be in concert

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Speaker 5: with Dalton Knock, Dawson Knox, and King Kaid on the

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Speaker 5: field at the same time, or whether they're going to

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Speaker 5: rotate him in and out.

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Speaker 4: I imagine they'll do a little of both.

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Speaker 5: But that's the sixty four dollars question where Dalton Kincaid's concerned.

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Speaker 5: He's got that skill set, but he's gonna be one

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Speaker 5: of those guys that's out wide away, broken off from

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Speaker 5: the formation, in my opinion, mostly at least a wingback.

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Speaker 5: I don't think he'll be very much in the spot

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Speaker 5: where he's gonna have his hand on the ground outside

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Speaker 5: the tackle, although he'll do it because they got to,

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Speaker 5: but I think he's gonna be with his hand is

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Speaker 5: going to be off the ground.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think mostly.

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Speaker 2: That's basically what Brandon Being said after drafting him. He

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Speaker 2: you know, Dawson Knox will probably handle the traditional ye

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Speaker 2: tight end position.

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Speaker 3: In line blocker, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: And you know, it's not to say he's not gonna

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Speaker 2: get targets in the passing game either. You can from

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Speaker 2: that position. But King Kaid will be the f position,

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Speaker 2: which is more of the move guy who could line

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Speaker 2: up in the backfield in motion put in the slot.

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Speaker 2: So he is going to be used, to answer your question, Brian,

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Speaker 2: more like Kelsey is deployed in the Chiefs offense. So

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Speaker 2: now the question becomes, what does the rookie year outlook

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Speaker 2: for him? Does he have sixty five targets or does

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Speaker 2: he have thirty in his rookie season? Is he playing

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Speaker 2: fifty five snaps a game or twenty? This is what

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Speaker 2: we're asking you tell us what you think. Is he

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Speaker 2: such a dynamic, dynamic weapon that they have to get

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Speaker 2: him on the field and he is a major part

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Speaker 2: of the game plan each and every week.

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Speaker 3: We've talked a lot about how the Bills could could.

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Speaker 2: Stand to use the middle of the field a little

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Speaker 2: bit more in the passing game. This guy would certainly

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Speaker 2: fill the bill on that front. So what is your

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Speaker 2: rookie year outlook? For Dalton Kinkaid and for Osiris Torrance?

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Speaker 3: For them matter.

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Speaker 2: Let's get back to the phones and we're gonna go

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Speaker 2: to Ulysses in Buffalo.

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Speaker 3: What do you got for us?

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Speaker 8: You? Hey, I had doing good? Okay?

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Speaker 3: I wanted to know do you guys.

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Speaker 8: Think that they'll use Kink and Knox the way New

668
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Speaker 8: England use Gronk in Hernandez, because that was a leasal

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Speaker 8: attack when they had it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's a valid question, and I wouldn't

671
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Speaker 2: put it past Ken Dorsey. And the reason why is

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Speaker 2: something I brought up the other day. Ken Dorsey was

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Speaker 2: the quarterbacks coach in Carolina when they had Jeremy Shockey

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Speaker 2: and Greg Olsen as two tight ends, and they ran

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Speaker 2: a lot of two tight end sets. Now, granted, we're

676
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Speaker 2: talking about ten eight to ten years ago, and the

677
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Speaker 2: game has changed precipitously.

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Speaker 4: Since Rnandez, if not longer.

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Speaker 2: So there was a time and place for it then,

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Speaker 2: I think there's a time and place for it now.

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Speaker 3: But it's it's gonna be a different iteration of it.

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Speaker 2: It's not look like that per se, but there if

683
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Speaker 2: you have a playmaker who prompts mismatches in the opponent's defense,

684
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Speaker 2: that is an advantage for you. And Brandon Bean sat

685
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Speaker 2: here in the studio yesterday and said, unequivocally, Dalton Kincaid

686
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Speaker 2: is a mismatch in the passing game. He thinks so

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Speaker 2: much so that he traded up and gave up a

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Speaker 2: fourth round pick that he was lamenting, but said he'd

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Speaker 2: be able to sleep better knowing he got this guy

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Speaker 2: he's gonna play.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think Gronk and Hernandez or Shaki and Olsen,

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Speaker 5: maybe Shaki and Olson be a little closer, are gonna

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Speaker 5: be used or deployed exactly like Kincaid and Knox are

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Speaker 5: going to. I don't think it's gonna be like that.

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Speaker 5: Certainly they're gonna be on the field together at times,

696
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Speaker 5: no question. Maybe they'll evolve into that, but I don't

697
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Speaker 5: think because when New England to my recollection, I could

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Speaker 5: be wrong, but I thought New England had Hernandez and

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Speaker 5: Gronkowski on the field a lot together.

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Speaker 4: Those two guys were.

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Speaker 5: Really, really top notch guy They would have been all

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Speaker 5: pros on other teams as well, not just because they

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Speaker 5: were in, you know, catching it from Tom Brady. They

704
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Speaker 5: were difference makers. Don't know that kin Kate is gonna

705
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Speaker 5: be up there. Knox is certainly an established top flight

706
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Speaker 5: tight end. But I think these two guys are going

707
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Speaker 5: to be used in a way that fits their skill set,

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Speaker 5: and I don't think those skill sets exactly match up

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Speaker 5: with Gronk and Hernandez are Ulsen and Shaky.

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Speaker 4: But having said.

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Speaker 5: That's two pretty good players in the passing game, and

712
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Speaker 5: Knox is a pretty good run blocker as well. I'm really,

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Speaker 5: I am really searching to find a number of percentage

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Speaker 5: I'm comfortable with saying this is how much these guys

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Speaker 5: are going to be on the field together, because there's

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Speaker 5: a lot of guys that want some minutes on the field.

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Speaker 5: You got Surefield, Hardy Khalil along with Davison Diggs, and

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Speaker 5: then you got these two tight ends, and we got

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Speaker 5: James Cook. I mean, we got there's a bunch of

720
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Speaker 5: guys that want time on this football field, on this team,

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Speaker 5: They're gonna have to carve out a role for themselves

722
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Speaker 5: and whoever whoever has the best rapport and the best results.

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Speaker 5: With Josh Allen, this just in that's who's gonna be

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Speaker 5: on the field. That's who's gonna be on the field.

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Speaker 5: I totally get that.

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Speaker 2: I think that to a large degree in this offense,

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Speaker 2: I don't know that anybody is any more proven than

728
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Speaker 2: Dalton kin Ky, who comes in here as a wet

729
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Speaker 2: behind the ears rookie. Khalil Shakir showed some promise at

730
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Speaker 2: the end of last year, but certainly didn't set the

731
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Speaker 2: world on fire. Deontay Hardy and Trent Sherfield are new additions.

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Speaker 2: You don't know how they're gonna blend in. So I

733
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Speaker 2: don't see how there any different than Dalton Kincaid walking

734
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Speaker 2: in the door other than a couple of years of experience.

735
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Speaker 2: They're all new to this system too, So to me,

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Speaker 2: I think there is a reasonable path to King Kaid

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Speaker 2: getting on the field, despite the fact that it seems

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Speaker 2: as though there are a lot of roadblocks.

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Speaker 3: In front of him.

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Speaker 5: It's gonna be really interesting to see the rep counts

741
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Speaker 5: during training camp for all these guys, because they're gonna,

742
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Speaker 5: you know, I mean, certainly, I don't think there's any

743
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Speaker 5: other tight end. I mean even Quinton Morris, I don't

744
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Speaker 5: think he's gonna get time ahead of Kincaid, although you know,

745
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Speaker 5: you make an argument that he will to be at

746
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Speaker 5: least to begin with, and kin Kid's gonna have to

747
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Speaker 5: work his way up through that. Because Quinton Morris has

748
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 5: got some time in this offense, has got some catches.

749
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Speaker 5: I think it's really fascinating because we've seen this organization,

750
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Speaker 5: we've talked about it in this segment and the last

751
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Speaker 5: segment and throughout Khalil Shakir, James Cook, Kyrie Elam. None

752
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Speaker 5: of those guys got on the field.

753
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Speaker 3: Benford did.

754
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Speaker 5: Benford did, and he earned it, and he did it

755
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Speaker 5: from the sixth from the ground up. I'm so there's

756
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Speaker 5: no guarantees any of these guys are gonna, you know,

757
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Speaker 5: beat anybody out. And we've seen guys like u nahiem

758
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Speaker 5: Hinz come in and he had trouble picking up the nuances,

759
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 5: so they kind of just left him on special teams

760
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Speaker 5: for the time being to finish out the season. There's

761
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Speaker 5: a guy with some with some chops and some speed

762
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Speaker 5: as well.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I just I love the roster.

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Speaker 5: They got a ton of guys that can really play

765
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Speaker 5: and play at a high level.

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Speaker 4: They're gonna be a tough out.

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Speaker 5: I know the Bills are kind of flying under the

768
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Speaker 5: radar because of the way the season ended, but let

769
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Speaker 5: me tell you something. They're a headache for if you're

770
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Speaker 5: gonna play the Buffalo Bills this year. And the headache

771
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Speaker 5: starts with the coaching staffs gott to sort through a

772
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Speaker 5: lot of really good players to find out the best

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Speaker 5: ones to get on the field. And I think training

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Speaker 5: camp is gonna be a real battle. It's gonna be

775
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Speaker 5: a lot of fun to watch this year. And Brownie's

776
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Speaker 5: he's out there every day with a roster he's going

777
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Speaker 5: through and I couldn't do it. I don't know how

778
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Speaker 5: he does it. But you go out there and you like, oh,

779
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Speaker 5: I don't see him. I don't see It's gonna be

780
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Speaker 5: fun to keep track of who's getting reps because remember,

781
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Speaker 5: like a week and a half into training camp last year,

782
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Speaker 5: it's like, on, who's this Benford guy.

783
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Speaker 4: He's moving up, He's moving up.

784
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Speaker 5: And Brownie was the first guy I got to Brandi's

785
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Speaker 5: the first guy outside the football room who said this

786
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Speaker 5: Benford guy is getting.

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Speaker 3: Getting up the second team, he's getting.

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Speaker 4: Some Yeah, he's getting reps.

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Speaker 5: Another week later, all of a sudden, it's like, yeah,

790
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Speaker 5: you can't. You couldn't hide it anymore. And then everybody

791
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Speaker 5: was on it. But Brownie was the first one. He's

792
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Speaker 5: I think it's gonna be fascinating because they've I'm telling you,

793
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Speaker 5: this roster I think is significantly better than it was

794
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Speaker 5: a year ago when they were, you know, the darling

795
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Speaker 5: of the media.

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Speaker 2: Let's squeeze in Mark in West Seneca before the break here, Mark,

797
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Speaker 2: what do you got for us here?

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Speaker 3: On one? Bill's Live real quick.

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Speaker 10: A couple of points. As far as kin Kaid goes,

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Speaker 10: I'm looking for him to be a part of a

801
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 10: lot of different multiple sets. I think they're gonna use

802
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Speaker 10: Hardy and Sherfield a lot, and I want them to.

803
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Speaker 10: I'm not looking for Kinkaid to be on the field

804
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Speaker 10: seventy five percent of the time. I really want to

805
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 10: see them attack teams and make it really confusing and

806
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 10: matchup problems by going to a lot of different sets

807
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Speaker 10: all the time. And when Kincaid's on the field, just

808
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Speaker 10: show that he's a real, real threat. That's what I'm

809
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 10: looking for there. As far as Horns goes, I want

810
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Speaker 10: to see him win the guard spot and anchor that line.

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Speaker 10: If he can anchor that line against the Jets tackles

812
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Speaker 10: and Miami's tackles one on one and prove that they

813
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Speaker 10: can he can really do that and free up the

814
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Speaker 10: center and who's ever playing left guard, probably McGovern, to

815
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Speaker 10: really double team other guys who are big and strong

816
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Speaker 10: and gift threats. It's going to be go a long

817
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Speaker 10: way to solidify the middle of our line against feld

818
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Speaker 10: really strong physical pass rushes. And lastly, I just will

819
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Speaker 10: question as far as the third round pick, is this

820
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Speaker 10: a shift in theory with the Bills as to what

821
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Speaker 10: they're looking for two years in a row. Third round

822
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Speaker 10: we draft what we consider a little bit undersized guys,

823
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Speaker 10: but who can run, make tackles, and maybe cover a

824
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Speaker 10: little especially in one on one situations better than Edmunds did.

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Speaker 10: I mean Edmunds took up a lot of space in

826
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Speaker 10: the middle, but he didn't really run with guys and

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Speaker 10: do coverages on tight ends and even running backs out

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Speaker 10: of the backfield in one on one situations that was

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Speaker 10: typically left for Milano. And I'm just wondering, is this

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Speaker 10: a theory change? Is what they're doing and they're not

831
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Speaker 10: so concerned anymore about a mic linebacker plugging holes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, all good questions. We are up against the break.

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Speaker 2: We will address all of those mark when we come

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Speaker 2: We want to get to Mark's three pronged commentary and

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Speaker 2: Steve is going to start with the linebacker thing. The

847
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Speaker 2: question was, is this a shift in philosophy where you're

848
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Speaker 2: looking for undersized linebackers to just go run and hit

849
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Speaker 2: and more importantly cover.

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Speaker 5: I don't think it's a philosophical shift. I think it's

851
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 5: just an availability in the way the games starting to evolve.

852
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 5: They're getting more and more athletic linebackers who can run

853
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Speaker 5: and cover space, sideline the sideline and drop into coverage

854
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 5: and be comfortable in space by themselves, cover up a

855
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 5: zone that kind of thing, and run maybe an occasion

856
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Speaker 5: with a fast tight end or running back. I think

857
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Speaker 5: also the reason they've done this in the last couple

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Speaker 5: of years is taking these guys who, by Tremaine Edmunds

859
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Speaker 5: standpoint or standards, are smaller I think the reason for

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Speaker 5: that is the fact that Tremaine Edmunds was.

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Speaker 4: A rare dude.

862
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 5: He is very rare and physically there's just not anybody

863
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 5: like him in the league. You can say what you

864
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Speaker 5: want about whether he's a great player or bad player,

865
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Speaker 5: mediocre player, instinctive or whatever. His physical traits are unique

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Speaker 5: to him. So you're not going to find guys like that.

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Speaker 5: You just go out and draft another one. There aren't

868
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Speaker 5: guys like that, so at least not enough that you're

869
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Speaker 5: going to get one whenever you want one or in

870
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Speaker 5: whatever draft, unless you go way up high to get him.

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Speaker 5: Uh So that's that's where you're at with the linebackers.

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00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 5: The linebackers available in this draft, the vast majority are

873
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 5: built exactly like or close to Dorian Williams, and you

874
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Speaker 5: want to get the best one of those you can get,

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Speaker 5: And Dorian Williams is a really good athlete.

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Speaker 3: He's two and twenty eight pounds.

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Speaker 2: Rokwan Smith, who is a proven middle linebacker in this league,

878
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Speaker 2: now plays for the Ravens after he was traded by

879
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 2: the Bears. He is a proven middle linebacker in this league.

880
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 2: He's gone to Pro Bowls. He's two hundred and thirty

881
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 2: six pounds.

882
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's on the high end. Yeah, in terms

883
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 3: of weight, it's too where the league is.

884
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 5: Two twenty to two thirty five and you're between six

885
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 5: foot and six two and that's where you're at.

886
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 4: And only and they can scoot, they can really run.

887
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 2: And the only exceptions really are the outside linebackers into

888
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 2: three four, which they usually look for taller players to

889
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 2: play out there.

890
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, the Greg Russo's of the world. Yeah, So that's

891
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 5: where you're at. And I don't think it's a philosophical shift.

892
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 5: I think that's just an of the game and the

893
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,280
Speaker 5: way it's played, particularly at this level.

894
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 2: As for Osiris Torrance, I will agree with you, Mark.

895
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 2: I think you made the investment there. It's a guy

896
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 2: who can stand his ground in pass protection and a

897
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 2: guy who can be a road grader in the run game.

898
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 2: And you have that guy for the very reason that

899
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:19,399
Speaker 2: you pointed out.

900
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 4: Mark.

901
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: You look at the defensive lines in this division. You've

902
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 2: got a top five draft choice in Quinn Williams, you

903
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 2: have a top five draft choice or a top ten

904
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 2: draft choice in Christian Wilkins in Miami, and you've got

905
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 2: a second round draft choice in New England by the

906
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 2: name of Christian Barmour, who came on like a freight

907
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 2: train at the end of the year. Last year, he

908
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,280
Speaker 2: had been injured in the first half of the season.

909
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,280
Speaker 2: Guy has the potential to be a dominant defensive tackle.

910
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 2: You need someone the size of Osiris Torrance on your

911
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 2: starting offensive line. Again, that's going to be a competition

912
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 2: that's going to be very heated because he's going against

913
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 2: a proven starter in David Edwards, or at least that's

914
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 2: our anticipation, and the incumbent starter of the last two seasons,

915
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 2: Ryan Bates. So it's far from a gimme. But if

916
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,240
Speaker 2: this guy is as stout as he appears on tape,

917
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 2: I think you gotta get him on the field.

918
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. And I'll say this too.

919
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 5: The people say, well, if you get these lines, I'm

920
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 5: going back to the linebacker thing with Dorian Williams and

921
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 5: those guys, and Bernard.

922
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 4: Yes inspector, Bayle inspector. They're all like that.

923
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 5: What it makes a defense do is because you're right,

924
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 5: you might get overpowered if you get guards out on

925
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 5: these light linebackers and all that kind of thing. Well,

926
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 5: the response to that is just what we've seen with

927
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 5: the Buffalo Bills. You go out and you get some

928
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 5: mammoth defensive tackles to protect a young light linebacker. Let

929
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 5: him run to the football. The defensive tackles soak up

930
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,879
Speaker 5: the offensive line and the linebackers are free to run

931
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 5: to the football. We saw the elevated play down inside

932
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 5: last year with Jordan Phillips and Daikwon Jones. When those

933
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 5: guys are on the field, Tremaine Edmonds had maybe his

934
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 5: best year as a pro. It's going to be the

935
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 5: same thing for a linebacker who's not built like Tremaine Edmonds.

936
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 5: So that's the response and the way you can kind

937
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 5: of get around having a linebacking corps that may be

938
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 5: a little light in the pants but really fast. You

939
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 5: put your weights at some other positions, mainly defensive tackle.

940
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 2: And they did that last year and it's the same

941
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 2: time coming back this year.

942
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 3: It worked, just so everybody knows.

943
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 2: In terms of listed weights, Terrell Bernard to twenty four,

944
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 2: bayle Inspector two thirty three, AJ Kleine to forty and

945
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 2: then Tyrrell Dodson is a little thicker too, he is

946
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 2: two thirty seven. So the range there is essentially two

947
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 2: twenty four to two forty, and Dorian Williams is right

948
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:01,879
Speaker 2: in the middle of that. He's about two twenty eight,

949
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 2: so it's not he might be undersized in terms of

950
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 2: a weight perspective. But we heard Brandon Bean here yesterday

951
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 2: in studio say he has all the physical attributes and

952
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 2: skills to play middle linebacker in today's NFL. The only

953
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,280
Speaker 2: thing that could hold him up is the learning curve,

954
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 2: coming from a very simple read and react scheme at

955
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 2: Tulane to what is considered a very complex scheme under

956
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 2: coach McDermott here in Buffalo. Again, another training camp competition

957
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 2: is going to be pretty interesting one as far as

958
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 2: it shakes out. We have to take a break here

959
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 2: because our number two will begin with a full scale

960
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 2: breakdown of the tape of each and every one of

961
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 2: Buffalo's draft choices with who Else Senior producer from NFL

962
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 2: Films and co host of ESPN's NFL Matchup Show, Greg Cosell.

963
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 3: Next, on One Bill's.

964
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: Love, This is One Bills Live presented by Kalida Health.

965
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 2: Welcome DOLLA number two on a Tuesday. Chris Brown, Steve

966
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 2: Tasker with you One Bill's Live and please to be

967
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 2: joined now for a full wrap up on the twenty

968
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 2: twenty three draft class for the Bills. Senior producer from

969
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,720
Speaker 2: NFL Films and co hosts of ESPN's NFL Matchup Show,

970
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 2: It is one Greg Cosel joining us and Greg. Before

971
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 2: we get to the draft class, there is breaking news.

972
00:50:58,560 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 3: Do do Do Do Do Do Do?

973
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 2: Tom Pelasero from NFL Network is reporting that the Bills

974
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 2: are signing former Seahawks nose tackle Poona Ford to a

975
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 2: one year deal, one of the top free agents still available.

976
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 2: Tom Pelisaro says Ford turned down more money elsewhere to

977
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 2: try to win a ring in Buffalo. We had Brandon

978
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 2: Bean in studio here yesterday, Greg, and he did lament

979
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 2: the fact that he was unable to come up with

980
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 2: a defensive tackle in the draft. He said, the board

981
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 2: just did not fall their way. What does this addition

982
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 2: do to their ranks? Knowing it's essentially the same quartet

983
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 2: that was here last year now with Poona Ford added

984
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 2: on top.

985
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, Poona Ford brownie two years ago in Seattle. He

986
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 6: had a really outstanding season, and I know the Seahawks

987
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 6: thought that he'd be a foundational piece going forward and

988
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 6: didn't have quite the same year this past year, which

989
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 6: is obviously why he's a free agent. He is short,

990
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 6: stocky built, very low ton but has tremendous quickness, really

991
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 6: quick feet for that body type at his best, sort

992
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 6: of playing nose nose shade. I mean, that's the kind

993
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 6: of player he is. But he's very, very quick. So

994
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,439
Speaker 6: he's kind of an interesting guy because his body type

995
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 6: does not suggest that kind of movement ability and that

996
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 6: kind of foot quickness, but that's really what his game is.

997
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:27,919
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's listed at like five eleven pounds, yeah, three ten,

998
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,240
Speaker 5: so yeah, he's got to bring something to the table

999
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 5: to have been as effective as he was out in

1000
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:33,479
Speaker 5: Seattle at least two years ago.

1001
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1002
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's the quickness, Steve, he's really at his best,

1003
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 6: that's what he is.

1004
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 8: He's got.

1005
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 6: He's just one of those kind of freakishly built guys

1006
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 6: because he's so short, but he's really quick.

1007
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I gotta imagine, and he wins a lot

1008
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 2: of leverage battles twenty tackles for loss over his last

1009
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,720
Speaker 2: three seasons with seven sacks.

1010
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 3: Kind of a run stuff.

1011
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 2: Yeah by trade though, But let's move on to the

1012
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 2: draft class here, Greg, I know you were fond of

1013
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 2: Dalton Kincaid's tape.

1014
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's a weapon.

1015
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 2: I mean, a lot of Bills fans felt that the

1016
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 2: Bills needed to add like a quote unquote number two

1017
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 2: passing weapon. And I think a lot of people just

1018
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,760
Speaker 2: naturally assumed that in the draft that would be a receiver.

1019
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 2: But that idea came and went quickly when four receivers

1020
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 2: went in a row from basically twenty to twenty two

1021
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 2: or twenty three, so you know, basically Brandon Bean pivots

1022
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 2: and goes for the best pass catching tight end in

1023
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 2: the draft. Question to you in time or maybe sooner

1024
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 2: rather than later, can this guy develop into the number

1025
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 2: two passing weapon in this offense behind one Stefan Diggs.

1026
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:48,919
Speaker 8: I think he can.

1027
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 6: And you know, it's interesting you said the word receiver,

1028
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 6: because that's exactly what Dalton Kincaid is. In fact, at

1029
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 6: the end of my transition, when I did my evaluation

1030
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 6: of him, I said that he can be used and

1031
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 6: deployed within the context of an offense much in the

1032
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 6: same way that Travis Kelcey can. Now, obviously we know

1033
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,919
Speaker 6: he's not Travis Kelcey as we speak today, but he's

1034
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:15,240
Speaker 6: got those kind of athletic traits, those kinds of hands.

1035
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 6: You can see in these shots how incredibly athletic he is.

1036
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 6: He's kind of long and lean. He could probably add

1037
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 6: a few pounds and get a little bigger without losing

1038
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 6: any of his quickness. He's a you know, the hands

1039
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 6: or what also really stand out. This guy catches everything.

1040
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 6: So he's a receiver more than he is a pure

1041
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 6: tight end.

1042
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 5: And we've talked a little bit. The intriguing part is

1043
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 5: how much does he see the field? Certainly he's not

1044
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 5: a run blocking tight end like Dawson Knox is for

1045
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 5: the Bills. But if you're going to go twelve personnel,

1046
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 5: certainly he's one of those two guys. But you know,

1047
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 5: the Bills ran four percent of that last year. Even

1048
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 5: if they double it, it's less than ten. It's one

1049
00:54:56,040 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 5: out of ten snaps. How many snaps does kin Kaid get? Certainly,

1050
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 5: even if you put him out there, he can be

1051
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 5: a slot receiver, like he said. But that's the intriguing

1052
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 5: question that people are trying to answer.

1053
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 6: Well, they're going a little crazy up there in Buffalo, Steve,

1054
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 6: because they drafted Osiris Torrance and they just signed Latavious Murray.

1055
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 6: So who knows, maybe this is going to be a

1056
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,240
Speaker 6: twelve personnel offense. Then they're going to run the ball

1057
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 6: because Osiri's Torrance is a power offensive guard. I mean

1058
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:31,879
Speaker 6: his game is built on engagement, physicality, toughness, competitiveness, far

1059
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 6: more than athleticism in finesse.

1060
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 8: So I was joking a little bit.

1061
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 6: Obviously, it's not as if they're, you know, gonna take

1062
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 6: the ball out of Josh Allen's hands.

1063
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 8: But I don't think he traded.

1064
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 6: I don't think Brandon being traded up to get Dalon Kincaid,

1065
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 6: especially with some of the reports I've heard, and I've

1066
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 6: heard Brandon Bean talk about it. So brand So Dalton

1067
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,399
Speaker 6: kin Kaid's going to play ten snaps, Steve, I mean,

1068
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:58,800
Speaker 6: I'm sure you feel the same way. So Kinkaid's a receiver.

1069
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 6: He can that's not his calling card. But he did

1070
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 6: line up attached to the formation at Utah. He did

1071
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 6: line up in wing alignments, so he was used as

1072
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 6: a blocker. So I think you're going to see more

1073
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,959
Speaker 6: twelve personnel, and hey, you might see more run game

1074
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:19,240
Speaker 6: or or or more run game looks.

1075
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this because one of our callers

1076
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:23,720
Speaker 2: brought this up. I thought it was a very astue

1077
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 2: point concerning Osiris Torrance. If in fact he wins the

1078
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 2: starting job at right guard, which many people have him

1079
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 2: penciled in there, even though he'll be competing against David

1080
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 2: Edwards and the incumbent starter Ryan Bates. Let's just say

1081
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 2: wins the starting job, how much does he help in terms

1082
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 2: of integrity of the pocket and things of that nature,

1083
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 2: Knowing in his own division there are players like Quinn Williams,

1084
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 2: Christian Wilkins, and Christian Barmore.

1085
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, you know, obviously you're drafting Torrents because

1086
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 6: you believe that he can win the job. And you know,

1087
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 6: even though his game is built more on physicality and power,

1088
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 6: does he struggle on occasion? Did the tape show that

1089
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,399
Speaker 6: he struggled on occasion with interior quickness when he could

1090
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 6: not control pass rushers early in the down with his

1091
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 6: strong hands. Yes, but he's a guy that he wins

1092
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 6: in pass protection mostly Brownie, with his size, his mass

1093
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 6: and his strong hands. You know, he's not an unbelievable

1094
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 6: lateral movement athlete, but he is a strong strong man

1095
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 6: and he's got tremendous arm length, His arm length is

1096
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 6: almost thirty four inches, which is really good for a guard.

1097
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 6: And he's six ' five almost three hundred and forty pounds,

1098
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 6: so he is a big, big man and you know

1099
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 6: his game is built on strong, heavy hands power. You know,

1100
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 6: he's a guy that he wants to control and engage

1101
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 6: early in the down.

1102
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 8: That's the way he wins in pass protection.

1103
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, no question, he's a He's a big body and

1104
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 5: is perfect for down inside when you got to move

1105
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 5: the pile, Guys like him are the guys that can

1106
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 5: get it. And we've also taken some phone calls today,

1107
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 5: Greg about people saying it's quite the shift from going

1108
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 5: from a physical specimen like Tremaine Edmunds at middle linebacker,

1109
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,959
Speaker 5: a six ' five, two hundred and fifty pound guy

1110
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 5: with an enormous wingspan and he you know, he seems

1111
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 5: to cover up a lot of space to you know,

1112
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,959
Speaker 5: the last two years the Bills have taken a finger

1113
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 5: quotes modern linebackers. They're both you know, six two and under,

1114
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 5: two forty and under maybe two thirty and under, just

1115
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 5: a smaller size of linebacker who were more athlete than

1116
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 5: they are run stuffer. What are your thoughts about Dorian

1117
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 5: Williams for the Bills.

1118
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, I liked his tape a lot. He his athletic

1119
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 6: testing measureable roles were phenomenal. I mean, yes, he's a

1120
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 6: little undersized, he was two twenty eight at the combine.

1121
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 6: He fits the profile certainly, more of that scrape and

1122
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 6: flow running hit backer. He's got great play speed. He's

1123
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 6: got that inside out sideline to sideline pursuit range. But

1124
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 6: he plays physically. I mean, he's got really quick feet.

1125
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 6: I thought he had really strong key and diagnosed played

1126
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 6: recognition instincts. He had a quick trigger, even though he

1127
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,919
Speaker 6: doesn't have the mass viewed ideal he like. I thought

1128
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 6: he played with physical toughness and he has really long arms,

1129
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 6: and I thought he used them really effectively, you know,

1130
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 6: terms of arm extension, which allowed him to take on

1131
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 6: and shed blocks of climbing o' linemen. So even though

1132
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 6: he's a smaller guy, I think he plays bigger in

1133
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 6: some ways.

1134
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 8: And you guys will remember this.

1135
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 6: Guy's still in the league obviously, but he kind of

1136
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 6: reminded me of Kwan Alexander coming out of LSU.

1137
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 8: I think it was.

1138
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 6: Twenty fifteen and Alexander started right away for the bucks

1139
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 6: and put up big tackle numbers. Athletic guy, you know,

1140
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 6: played a little more physically. I like Dorian Williams a lot,

1141
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 6: and I think that he would have a chance to start.

1142
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 2: Whether it's him or Terrell Bernard or heck even BAlN

1143
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 2: Spector or Tyrel Dodson.

1144
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 3: How important is it having the mass.

1145
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 2: That they have as a defensive tackle position, you know,

1146
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 2: Dai Kwon Jones, Jordan Phillips, And it sounds like, well,

1147
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 2: so how much does that help kind of cover up

1148
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 2: when maybe you don't have a middle linebacker that goes

1149
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 2: to forty.

1150
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that's the goal obviously, you know, with

1151
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 6: someone like Dorian Williams, as I said, you know, he

1152
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 6: is a kind of a running hit kind of player,

1153
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 6: you know, scrape and flow. You want him to be

1154
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 6: relatively clean. It doesn't happen on every play, but that

1155
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 6: becomes absolutely critical.

1156
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 8: And you try to structure your fronts.

1157
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:44,919
Speaker 6: They're point, they've been predominantly an over front, meaning that

1158
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 6: the three technique has shifted to the strong side of

1159
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 6: the offensive formation.

1160
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 8: I don't know if that'll change.

1161
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 6: Obviously, Leslie Frasier is not there this year, so there

1162
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 6: could be some changes, you know, probably not drastic. It's

1163
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,080
Speaker 6: been a good defense, but there could be some changes.

1164
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 6: But the point you made, Brownie is absolutely right. You know,

1165
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 6: when you have Milano and Dorian Williams. If it's Dorian Williams,

1166
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 6: who I think plays much bigger than Bernard Bernard, Bernard

1167
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 6: plays smaller to me, Williams plays bigger.

1168
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 5: When moved down the list. Justin Shorter the guy the

1169
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 5: wide receiver who's got some really good measurables. Big, tall,

1170
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 5: can run fast, not real explosive out of the blocks,

1171
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 5: but it catches the ball well and wins some fifty

1172
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 5: to fifty balls.

1173
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 4: What are your thoughts about Justin Shorter?

1174
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, Justin Shorter is an interesting guy, Steve, because he

1175
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 6: started at Penn State and then transferred to Florida.

1176
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 8: He actually came out.

1177
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 6: Of New Jersey as the number one wide receiver prospect

1178
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 6: in the country and was a top twenty recruit regardless

1179
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 6: of position. It hasn't quite worked out, but you're dealing

1180
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 6: with the guy that's six y four to twenty four,

1181
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:56,439
Speaker 6: tremendous arm length, he can run vertically. You know, he's

1182
01:01:56,440 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 6: got accelerating speed, So you know, he's another guy that

1183
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 6: in some ways almost has a tight end build, you know,

1184
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 6: a slimmer, tight end build, but he's got a great body,

1185
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 6: looks the part. Tremendous length, stride length. See these tall

1186
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 6: guys have stride length. And even though they might not

1187
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 6: get off the ball with explosion, once they start accelerating

1188
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 6: and they build up speed, they eat.

1189
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 8: Up a lot of ground.

1190
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 6: I mean, he caught a fifty one yard touchdown versus

1191
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 6: LSU when he got on top of the corner, and

1192
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 6: that was a great example of just you know, the

1193
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 6: vertical dimension and the stride lanth.

1194
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 8: So he'll be interesting. He's a guy that you know.

1195
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 6: I think if you looked at him three or four

1196
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 6: years ago when he started Penn State, people might have said, hey,

1197
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 6: this guy will be a first round pick, and it

1198
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 6: just never quite worked out for whatever reason.

1199
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 8: But he's an interesting guy.

1200
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 2: He talked when he talked to the media here after

1201
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 2: getting drafted Greg, he talked about all of this work

1202
01:02:55,800 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 2: that he's spent on ball tracking, especially on deep passes.

1203
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 2: He was doing them with tennis balls. He had guys

1204
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 2: chucking him tennis balls, even had his mom throwing him

1205
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 2: to him. That's how much he was working on it.

1206
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 2: He's forcing his mom out to the playground or the

1207
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 2: ballfield or whatever to chuck him tennis balls and he

1208
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 2: said it made a difference. And I mean over the

1209
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 2: last two years he had one drop on one hundred.

1210
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 3: And sixteen targets.

1211
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think about his deep ball tracking skills?

1212
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 8: You know, I think they're not bad.

1213
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 6: I mean I think that you know, that's that's kind

1214
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 6: of something he'll have to do. I mean, because he

1215
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 6: has vertical ability when he could stride off the ball

1216
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 6: and then get on top of college corners.

1217
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 8: So we'll see if he can do that in the NFL.

1218
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 6: But I think that he can do that and big

1219
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 6: scoop here, he's probably there's probably gonna be some deep

1220
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 6: balls thrown with Josh Allen.

1221
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, no question, and go back and look at the guard.

1222
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 5: And we had Cynthia Friedland onto on our podcast and

1223
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 5: she said she likes it kind of when teams double

1224
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 5: down on a position to kind of pick a later,

1225
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 5: make sure pick that you get a guy. And that

1226
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 5: Nick Broker for the Bills is a guy that got

1227
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 5: late in the draft. He's two hundred and thirtieth overall.

1228
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 5: How good can he be and what's his upside? Or

1229
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 5: what's his possibilities.

1230
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, and Nick.

1231
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 6: Broker is a classic case of a guy you know

1232
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 6: you draft late. He's a four year starter in the SEC.

1233
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 6: He played guard this year after playing left tackle for

1234
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 6: three years. Quite frankly, the reason he's drafted where he

1235
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:31,920
Speaker 6: is is because his tape was not that good. If

1236
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:34,120
Speaker 6: his tape was really good coming out of the SEC,

1237
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 6: he obviously would have been drafted higher.

1238
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:38,120
Speaker 8: So what you hope is.

1239
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 6: That you know your on line coach, Aaron Kromer, who's

1240
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 6: been doing this a long time, can turn him into

1241
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 6: a solid player because there's a lot of deficiencies in

1242
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 6: his game. And then they said, what people have to

1243
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 6: understand is when a guy gets drafted later and you

1244
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 6: guys know this, it's because there are deficiencies in his game.

1245
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 6: You know, he's got some he's got heavy feet, he's

1246
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 6: not that quick laterally, his change of direction isn't exactly

1247
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 6: what you want.

1248
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:01,919
Speaker 8: But when you look at his build in.

1249
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 6: His frame, he's strong, he's sturdy, he plays aggressively, he

1250
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 6: can generate some power, he's physical, he's tough. When he

1251
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 6: does come off the ball low with leverage, he can

1252
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 6: drive block and down block in the run game. He

1253
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 6: competes in pass protection. He's not a great pass protector,

1254
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 6: but he competes hard. And you know, when you play inside,

1255
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 6: it's not a beauty contest. Often it's more about just competing.

1256
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 2: And yeah, and we also heard that you know, the

1257
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 2: reason he might project inside is his arms aren't particularly

1258
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 2: long either. No there, sure, yeah, yeah, so that would

1259
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 2: kind of make sense there, And that's kind of what

1260
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 2: Brandon Bean said. He said he'll start at guard and

1261
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:43,120
Speaker 2: then you know, if they have instances where they need

1262
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 2: somebody to take a few snaps out of tackle, they

1263
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 2: may kick him out there just to get a few

1264
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 2: reps here and there. The other interesting thing that he

1265
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 2: said about Broker is he has taken snaps in his career.

1266
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 2: He hasn't done it in a game, but he knows

1267
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 2: that he has done it before. So that was interesting

1268
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 2: intel on Broker as well. Last guy of the group,

1269
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 2: uh mister Austin from Oregon State at the corner.

1270
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 3: This fit.

1271
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 2: He fits the bill from a measurable standpoint, Greg, they

1272
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 2: love their long corners up here, and he is long.

1273
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's one of those guys, Brownie, I don't understand

1274
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 6: why he's a seventh round pick.

1275
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 8: You know, he's six ' one.

1276
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 6: Okay, Now, he ran the four four five, which might

1277
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 6: turn some people off, but he doesn't play like that.

1278
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 8: He plays faster.

1279
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 6: Now, I'm not suggesting he should have been, you know,

1280
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:37,479
Speaker 6: in the top ninety picks. But I watched this guy

1281
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 6: and I kept thinking to myself, what's the difference between

1282
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 6: this guy and a guy taken in the fourth round.

1283
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 6: I mean, this guy has size, he's got length, he's

1284
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 6: got good movement. Now, he's not sudden and twitchy. You know,

1285
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 6: the great corner prospects tend to be more like that.

1286
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 6: But he played mirror match press man really well. I

1287
01:06:56,520 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 6: thought he played zone really really well, which you know, Brownie,

1288
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 6: you and I have talked over these last couple of years.

1289
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 6: Not a lot of college corners come into the NFL

1290
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 6: really understanding zone. I thought he had great awareness of routes,

1291
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 6: played with really excellent eye discipline. I thought in off

1292
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 6: coverage he showed plan and drive birds on routes in

1293
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 6: front of him really really well.

1294
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 8: Now, sure does he have some some flaws. Of course

1295
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:19,959
Speaker 8: he does.

1296
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 6: But I just kept watching this guy, and I just

1297
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 6: kept watching some games because I'm thinking to myself Okay,

1298
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 6: what's the problem here?

1299
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:30,200
Speaker 8: What am I missing? And I don't know. I didn't

1300
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 8: think I was missing a lot.

1301
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:33,080
Speaker 6: Now, I'm not suggesting he's going to start it outside

1302
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 6: corner this year, but I think down the road, this

1303
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 6: guy has starter trades in the NFL.

1304
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:40,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, certainly, that's the one thing that grabs you when

1305
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:42,920
Speaker 5: you look at him. He's six y one one and

1306
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Speaker 5: he looks the part, and you look at the Bill's

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Speaker 5: Corner Room. All those guys fit that description. So that's

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Speaker 5: probably where it started for Brandon Bean. But then you,

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Speaker 5: like you said, it's hard to find Wortz on his film.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean he's again, I can you know, I'm

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01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 6: not gonna sit here and read you all my my

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01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 6: five or six things that I thought were potentially concerned,

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Speaker 6: because every player has something coming into the league.

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Speaker 8: But I just I thought he was actually a pretty

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01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 8: good prospect. But you and know how it is with corners.

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Speaker 6: Now you go to the combine and all these corners

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Speaker 6: run four, four or less, and he's a four or

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Speaker 6: five guy. So people might have thought, Okay, he just

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01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 6: can't run, but he doesn't play like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And the other thing, too, Greg that I find interesting

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01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 2: is he's well versed in a number of defensive coverages.

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01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 2: And there was another guy that the Bills took in

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01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:32,679
Speaker 2: the sixth round last year that had a well rounded

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01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 2: game in terms of being exposed to a lot of

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01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 2: different coverages, and that was Christian Benford who they took

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Speaker 2: in the sixth round.

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Speaker 3: The guy wound up starting Week one.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm not saying that's gonna happen with Austin, but

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Speaker 2: it seems like the Bills have found the type of

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01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:48,759
Speaker 2: dB that they look for late in the draft, someone

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01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:52,480
Speaker 2: with a well rounded body of work in multiple coverages

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Speaker 2: that I mean, it's I'm probably stating the obvious here,

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01:08:56,960 --> 01:09:01,599
Speaker 2: but that would seem to help guys assimilate faster. You're

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01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 2: knowing the varied coverages they're going to be asked to

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Speaker 2: play in the league.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well that's why I mentioned that. The zone you know,

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Speaker 6: the zone stuff I thought was really good.

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01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 8: And and you know, as I said.

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01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 6: Brown, you and I have discussed there are a lot

1341
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 6: of corners that come into this league that aren't really

1342
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:18,160
Speaker 6: good in that area. You know, they don't necessarily do that.

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01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:18,599
Speaker 8: Well.

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01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:22,160
Speaker 6: I thought he really had great awareness in his own

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01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 6: coverage and I just I liked his tape.

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Speaker 8: I mean, like I said, I'm not.

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01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 6: Gonna sit here and say, you know, he should have

1348
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:29,679
Speaker 6: been a top forty pick or he's going to start

1349
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 6: from day one. But I can see this guy being

1350
01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 6: a starter down the road with coaching and development.

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Speaker 5: All Right, So the draft is over, and now we've

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Speaker 5: wrapped up the Bills draft class. What film are you

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01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 5: going to be able to watch now that gives you

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01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:46,440
Speaker 5: any kind of sufficient, you know, fix for your film junkiness.

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01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 6: Well, Steve, I'm a little nuts. So here's well, you

1356
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:51,559
Speaker 6: guys know that I probably didn't need to say.

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01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: You know what I tend to do in the in

1359
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Speaker 6: the summer is I tend to take some NFL teams

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01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:02,599
Speaker 6: that I and really interesting, either on offense or defense,

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Speaker 6: and watch five or six games in a row, which

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Speaker 6: is something I can't do during the season because you

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01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 6: see it totally differently when you watch, you know, five

1364
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Speaker 6: or six games in a row as opposed to watching

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Speaker 6: it every week mixed in with everything else. So I'll

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Speaker 6: do that with with some teams, and then I also,

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01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:22,599
Speaker 6: believe it or not, we'll start watching some college guys

1368
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:24,640
Speaker 6: will be in next year's draft, like I'll start to

1369
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 6: watch Caleb Williams, the quarterback from USC.

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Speaker 8: You know, I'll watch Marvin Harrison, I'll watch Brock Bowers.

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Speaker 6: You know, I'll watch guys who are obviously going to

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Speaker 6: be in next year's draft.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 2: What do you think is the biggest thing you pull

1375
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:41,760
Speaker 2: out of watching the same team in consecutive games? Just

1376
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:44,639
Speaker 2: the way in which the play calling and the scheming

1377
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:46,679
Speaker 2: morphson changes based on the opponent.

1378
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Speaker 3: What do you pull from that the most?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, what I can see, Brownie, more so than when

1380
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:56,840
Speaker 6: I watch it just during the season, is concepts, schemes

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01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:58,200
Speaker 6: and situations.

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01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 8: That's that's what it's tough to do for me during

1383
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:01,400
Speaker 8: the season.

1384
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 6: So like, for instance, if I look at a stat

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01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:06,559
Speaker 6: and see a team like Buffalo, for instance, they're really

1386
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 6: good on third down.

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Speaker 8: Obviously every team has concepts.

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01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:11,840
Speaker 6: So if I just looked at let's say, you know,

1389
01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 6: one hundred third and six plus plays, I would see concepts.

1390
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 6: Here's what they like to do on third down from

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01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:22,160
Speaker 6: this part of the field. You know, that's hard for

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01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 6: me to do during the season, you know, to find

1393
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 6: focus like that. So I really like to do those

1394
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 6: kinds of things in the off season.

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Speaker 3: Fair enough, Greg, Thanks you always for the time.

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01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 2: Appreciate all your help during the pre draft run up

1397
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 2: and post draft.

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01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:35,679
Speaker 8: Here.

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Speaker 3: We'll catch up with you soon. Enjoy your summer. Man.

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01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:40,680
Speaker 8: All right, you two guys, thanks for having me. Really

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01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 8: appreciate it.

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01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:41,840
Speaker 4: Thanks great.

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01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 3: That's great.

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01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 2: Co Sales senior producer from NFL Films, also co host

1405
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 2: of ESPN's NFL Matchup Show.

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01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:50,799
Speaker 3: I'm kind of encouraged how much he likes Alex Austin.

1407
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:55,959
Speaker 2: I mean, we've had late round picks at cornerstick before Dame.

1408
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:58,720
Speaker 4: Jackson, Chris Wallace, Christian Benford.

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01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:01,800
Speaker 2: I mean, just think about the recent history alone. I

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01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:05,639
Speaker 2: mean since twenty twenty is talking Dane Jackson, Christian Bedford,

1411
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:08,200
Speaker 2: and now you got Alex Austin. They know how to

1412
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:10,559
Speaker 2: find those late round guys at the dB position.

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01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 5: For four years they had an undrafted rookie free agent

1414
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:15,639
Speaker 5: starting at corner when they made it all the way

1415
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 5: deep in the playoffs, the AFC Championship game in Levi Wallace.

1416
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 5: Now he's playing for Pittsburgh. But yeah, that seems to

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01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:25,880
Speaker 5: be something that and we've talked about for some reason,

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01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:27,280
Speaker 5: the Bills and the way they set it up. They

1419
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 5: picked those guys and they may have some other things

1420
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:32,439
Speaker 5: where they find it hard to pick a guy that's

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01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 5: really good, right like friends, We always talk about the

1422
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:38,120
Speaker 5: Patriots not being able to pick up wide receivers, and

1423
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:41,439
Speaker 5: you know other teams that struggle to grab a running

1424
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:43,840
Speaker 5: back or grab an offensive lineman or tackle or something

1425
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 5: like that. Teams do seem to have these blind spots

1426
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:48,920
Speaker 5: where they struggled to get a guy with the right

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01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:51,800
Speaker 5: talent ors or the right skills to help them at

1428
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:55,680
Speaker 5: a certain position. The Bills have got that all over.

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01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:57,519
Speaker 5: They're all over it when the cornerbacks come up.

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01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:01,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and maybe the most interesting same thing that Greg

1431
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 2: said about Alex Austin was in his mind the traits

1432
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 2: combined with the length, combined with the anticipation skills and

1433
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 2: the ability to anticipate.

1434
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:15,679
Speaker 3: He said, I don't say how he's any.

1435
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 2: Different from some of these corners that got taken in

1436
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 2: the fourth round.

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01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:20,240
Speaker 3: And I realize on day three.

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01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:24,880
Speaker 2: The variance in you know, the best player in round

1439
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 2: four and the best player in round seven is probably

1440
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:29,840
Speaker 2: a lot smaller than the best player in round one

1441
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 2: and the best player in round three. But still in

1442
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:35,600
Speaker 2: all if you're getting a fourth round quality player in

1443
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:38,920
Speaker 2: the seventh round. And let's not forget we talked extensively

1444
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 2: about how deep the corner class was this year.

1445
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 3: Bills might have something.

1446
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:47,519
Speaker 5: I'll say this, if if Alex Austin would have ran

1447
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 5: a four four five instead of a four five five forty,

1448
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 5: he's not there.

1449
01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:56,719
Speaker 2: No, he's off the boards round five at the latest,

1450
01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 2: probably pick.

1451
01:13:57,720 --> 01:13:59,959
Speaker 4: Two fifty two. He's down in the nineties.

1452
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:02,599
Speaker 3: Oh you think he's the top one hundred six.

1453
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:06,719
Speaker 5: One and played a ton, Yeah, and he's got zone

1454
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 5: is what zone experience and plays that well. That that's

1455
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:12,559
Speaker 5: hard to do because you get these corners in there

1456
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 5: and typically at the collegiate level, they play all man

1457
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 5: or they play you know, yeah, if.

1458
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 2: You're the lead, like for example, you just played almost

1459
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:24,760
Speaker 2: all press man right his career.

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01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 4: Take that guy out of the game for us.

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01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:26,400
Speaker 8: You know.

1462
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:28,519
Speaker 5: They make it simple on everybody they can because they

1463
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:30,960
Speaker 5: got this guy who's better than everybody else. But if

1464
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:33,759
Speaker 5: you've got a guy who can has a wide ranging

1465
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:36,439
Speaker 5: skill set, can play zone, keep his eyes on the quarterback,

1466
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:39,800
Speaker 5: break on route concepts rather than watching a guy he's

1467
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:45,599
Speaker 5: actually covering, it's valuable. So I'm telling you that that's

1468
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:48,320
Speaker 5: why everybody's so obsessed with it. When the combine comes

1469
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 5: around and all these measurables they talk about, those things

1470
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:56,840
Speaker 5: get you drafted higher when they're there, Yep, because you're

1471
01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:57,639
Speaker 5: less of a risk.

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Speaker 2: We have to take a break here. When we come back,

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01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:04,040
Speaker 2: some more of your thoughts on what is your rookie

1474
01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:06,439
Speaker 2: year outlook for Buffalo's.

1475
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:09,240
Speaker 3: Top two draft picks? Dalton King Kaid and Osiris Torrance

1476
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:11,479
Speaker 3: will get some of those thoughts on the tweet sheet

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01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:13,760
Speaker 3: te and next here on One Bill's Live present about

1478
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:14,240
Speaker 3: to a lot of help.

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Speaker 2: It's Buffalo Bills Radio.

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01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:22,800
Speaker 3: All right, welcome back to One Bill's Live.

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01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 2: Chris Brown Steve Tasker with you, asking you what is

1482
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:27,759
Speaker 2: your rookie year outlook for the Bill's top two picks.

1483
01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:29,759
Speaker 2: How much you think they're gonna be on the field.

1484
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:31,560
Speaker 2: Do you expect them to win a starting job? Do

1485
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:33,240
Speaker 2: you think they're just a role player? You let us

1486
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 2: know what you think. At eight O three oh five

1487
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:37,880
Speaker 2: fifty one eighty eight five fifty two five fifty let's

1488
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:38,719
Speaker 2: go to the tweet sheet.

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01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:40,040
Speaker 3: Crack that thing open.

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01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:42,679
Speaker 2: And it's brought to you as always by Corrigan Moving Systems,

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Speaker 2: the official equipment moving company of the Buffalo Bills. Kelly

1492
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 2: kicks us off and says very high hopes for both rookies,

1493
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 2: Maybe not immediately, but down the stretch. Kincaid's pass catching

1494
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:57,160
Speaker 2: ability will offer Josh a safety net, and have big O'

1495
01:15:57,280 --> 01:16:01,759
Speaker 2: blocking up front will help the run game for sure.

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01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:07,560
Speaker 2: I don't know if I've heard that description of Kinkaid

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01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:11,240
Speaker 2: before a safety net. I think we do think that

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01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:13,479
Speaker 2: Kincaid can help a lot in terms of being a

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01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 2: blitz beater, much the same way that Cole Beasley was

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01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:20,719
Speaker 2: for Who's time here. Granted they're not the same player,

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01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 2: but they find space in the voids of a defense.

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01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:28,880
Speaker 4: Similarly, Yeah, every it's just a quick answer.

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01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:32,360
Speaker 5: After the snap, or a guy who knows how to

1504
01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:34,920
Speaker 5: find a vacant area in the defense, sit down and

1505
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:37,639
Speaker 5: just present himself for the quarterback. It doesn't sound very hard,

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01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:40,719
Speaker 5: but some guys just don't do it as well as others.

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01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:42,320
Speaker 4: And you got to do it fast, and you got

1508
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 4: to and you're what when they.

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01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:48,360
Speaker 5: Talk about rapport with quarterbacks, what it really means is

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01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:51,880
Speaker 5: the quarterback looks at you and can tell what you're

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01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:55,080
Speaker 5: gonna do by your body language, and so he doesn't

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01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:57,480
Speaker 5: have you don't have to. You know, either through repetition

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01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:00,760
Speaker 5: or talking to him or whatever. He gets it's ideas like, oh,

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01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:02,479
Speaker 5: I know what he's gonna do here. It comes because

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01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:04,600
Speaker 5: it's gonna work, and he can let go of the

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01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:06,679
Speaker 5: ball before you're really even ready for it her before

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01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 5: the defense is even settled in the ability to give

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01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:15,280
Speaker 5: the quarterback confident options quickly after the snap when the

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01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:18,000
Speaker 5: defense catches him, catches you in a blitz or something

1520
01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:21,400
Speaker 5: when you're unexpected is huge for an offense to be

1521
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:24,640
Speaker 5: able to stay on the field when it's third and

1522
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:28,320
Speaker 5: nine or third or second and nine, or you know,

1523
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:30,479
Speaker 5: even first and ten, first and fifteen. It gives you

1524
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:32,080
Speaker 5: a chance to get in front of the sticks instead

1525
01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:35,759
Speaker 5: of behind him. You just get a quick positive play

1526
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:37,520
Speaker 5: out of something that could have been catastrophic.

1527
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:38,439
Speaker 4: That's it, yeh.

1528
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 5: And some guys are good at it and some guys

1529
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 5: just don't get it. And it for me, it always

1530
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:49,759
Speaker 5: came down to you have a guy like Cole Beasley

1531
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:51,920
Speaker 5: did it, and maybe can Dalton Kinkaid can do it,

1532
01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:56,800
Speaker 5: But I know this your quarter It's just you think

1533
01:17:56,840 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 5: exactly like you know what your quarterback wants and you

1534
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:02,000
Speaker 5: give it to him. You know where the quarterback wants

1535
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:04,720
Speaker 5: you to go. You get there and you and you're there,

1536
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 5: and you don't think about it, you don't, You just

1537
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 5: do it. And the quarterbacks love that stuff and they

1538
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:13,719
Speaker 5: just keep feeding those guys the ball. Just to stay

1539
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 5: on the field and live to play another down. It's

1540
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 5: not hard. That's why I got on the field and

1541
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 5: Jim used to throw me the football all the time

1542
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:26,040
Speaker 5: because I knew how he thought, because I'd been watching

1543
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 5: him from the sidelines for like years and it took,

1544
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:30,840
Speaker 5: you know, it took an absolute train wreck for me

1545
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:32,600
Speaker 5: to get on the field. But when I did, I

1546
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:34,880
Speaker 5: knew what he wanted and that's what I did. And

1547
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:36,960
Speaker 5: so he'd throw me the football. Even though we hadn't

1548
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:38,840
Speaker 5: didn't have him many reps together on the field or

1549
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:41,360
Speaker 5: its certainly not in games. He felt comfortable with it

1550
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 5: because I knew how he thought, and that's what a

1551
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:43,800
Speaker 5: quarterback wants.

1552
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:45,040
Speaker 4: He guy it thinks like I do.

1553
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:48,960
Speaker 2: And that will be paramount to Kink getting on the field,

1554
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:53,639
Speaker 2: establishing that rapport that Steve speaks of with Josh Allen,

1555
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 2: and hopefully that happens sooner rather than later for his sake.

1556
01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:01,280
Speaker 2: Alan On the tweets sheet says, oh Cyrus Torrance out

1557
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:04,480
Speaker 2: of the gate. I can see kink getting used sparingly

1558
01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:06,400
Speaker 2: the first part of the season until he gets the

1559
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 2: game speed down.

1560
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:11,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think.

1561
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:15,360
Speaker 2: I think if Torrance wins the job, he's the starter

1562
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:17,080
Speaker 2: coming out of camp right week one.

1563
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:20,839
Speaker 5: I don't think there's any question all of us expect

1564
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:25,960
Speaker 5: Kinkaid to be on the field in twelve personnel correct.

1565
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:29,400
Speaker 3: I don't know does he replace a receiver and eleven

1566
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:30,240
Speaker 3: is the I.

1567
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:32,840
Speaker 5: Don't know how much of the eleven personnel they use

1568
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:36,840
Speaker 5: all the time is gonna take place, because it may

1569
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:42,160
Speaker 5: depend on how Surefield and Hardy and Shakir do. If

1570
01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:43,800
Speaker 5: one of those guys is knocking out of the park,

1571
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:47,960
Speaker 5: they don't need to go twelve with Kinkaid. I think

1572
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:50,439
Speaker 5: when they go one tight end and regular down and distance,

1573
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:53,439
Speaker 5: d Dawson Knox is going to be the guy because

1574
01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:56,679
Speaker 5: he's a better run blocker and he's proven through the

1575
01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 5: course of his got a second contract with the team.

1576
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:04,439
Speaker 5: He's proven they trust him, so I go back to it.

1577
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:06,439
Speaker 5: I don't know if kin Kaig's going to see the

1578
01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:11,679
Speaker 5: field that much depending on the twelve personnel mix. Because

1579
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 5: of the way we've seen the sparing nature of rookies

1580
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:18,000
Speaker 5: play in this offense.

1581
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:23,120
Speaker 2: Right, And that's what our next tweets about say when says,

1582
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:27,040
Speaker 2: I think they both can have big impacts, providing the

1583
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:30,240
Speaker 2: head coach doesn't wait till mid season to play them.

1584
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:34,200
Speaker 2: So this is a narrative that Bill's fans are very

1585
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:37,679
Speaker 2: familiar with, and I think it reached a crescendo last

1586
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:40,680
Speaker 2: year because there were times, as we've said on this

1587
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:44,440
Speaker 2: show before, where the offense looked like a heavy lift,

1588
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:49,000
Speaker 2: and I think people were eager to see if James

1589
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:52,880
Speaker 2: Cook or Khalil Shakir could make it look a little

1590
01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:56,920
Speaker 2: less difficult, knowing their skill sets, and we did see

1591
01:20:56,960 --> 01:20:59,719
Speaker 2: more of them down the stretch, and they made some plays,

1592
01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:04,640
Speaker 2: and so I think it only raised the opinion and

1593
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:07,960
Speaker 2: the volume all the more on what a portion of

1594
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:10,679
Speaker 2: the Bill's fan base wanted, which was the young players

1595
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 2: on the field sooner rather than later.

1596
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:15,280
Speaker 5: There's a lot in that. There's a lot in that. Yeah,

1597
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:21,040
Speaker 5: you think about it, because Sean McDermott. I think it's

1598
01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:23,160
Speaker 5: a given that he's got his finger on the pulse

1599
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:24,240
Speaker 5: of that.

1600
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:28,120
Speaker 4: He sees it like we do. There's but he.

1601
01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:31,160
Speaker 5: Also knows some reasons behind it. Is it Ken Dorsey

1602
01:21:31,240 --> 01:21:34,479
Speaker 5: trying things? Is it Ken Dorsey's not being able to

1603
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 5: come up with some easy button throws like you say,

1604
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:38,000
Speaker 5: or is it.

1605
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:40,400
Speaker 4: The players on the field?

1606
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 5: Was he they're trying to make things go with a

1607
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:45,960
Speaker 5: fact that you know, Jamison Crowder couldn't get on the

1608
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:47,920
Speaker 5: field because he was busted leg. Now they're trying to

1609
01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:51,360
Speaker 5: make it work with James Cook and Motor Singletary. And

1610
01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:54,760
Speaker 5: what were the problems with that? And why did it

1611
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:57,840
Speaker 5: look hard at times? What's the problem now? If you

1612
01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:01,639
Speaker 5: think Sean McDermott's got his finger on that, that's one thing.

1613
01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:05,720
Speaker 4: What were those reasons? Because we all saw it.

1614
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:10,040
Speaker 5: But then again, over the last two years, the Bills

1615
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 5: have won eighteen games by more than one score. They

1616
01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 5: were number two in the league in scoring last year.

1617
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:20,040
Speaker 5: Nobody else in the league has even sixteen wins by

1618
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:23,479
Speaker 5: double by more than two scores. From twenty one to

1619
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:25,639
Speaker 5: twenty two, the Bills have eighteen of them. Nobody else

1620
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:30,000
Speaker 5: has more than sixteen, and that's the Niners. Then there's

1621
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:31,760
Speaker 5: a couple of teams like Kansas City and those that

1622
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:36,280
Speaker 5: have Philly and Philly that have fifteen, but Bills have eighteen.

1623
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:40,759
Speaker 5: There's nothing wrong with the offense. Certainly it was hard

1624
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:43,439
Speaker 5: to watch sometimes last year, but they were that was

1625
01:22:43,439 --> 01:22:47,720
Speaker 5: in a game where they were ripping people. So yes,

1626
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 5: certainly it's not gonna look honky dory all the time.

1627
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:53,360
Speaker 5: It doesn't for other teams as well. That's just the

1628
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:56,720
Speaker 5: nature of the league. So you consider and say, well,

1629
01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:57,960
Speaker 5: he should have done this and should have done that.

1630
01:22:57,960 --> 01:22:59,600
Speaker 5: He should have played this guy so they could have

1631
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:02,479
Speaker 5: won by rescores instead of two when nobody else can

1632
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:07,360
Speaker 5: even win by one. I mean, that's I mean, there

1633
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:10,559
Speaker 5: was really no pressure on Sean McDermott or Ken Dorsey

1634
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:16,559
Speaker 5: last year to overhaul their philosophies. Right, But when you

1635
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:18,840
Speaker 5: get into an off season, you think, okay, how can

1636
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:20,760
Speaker 5: we get better? Well, we could get a guy who

1637
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:22,760
Speaker 5: gives us a little more with a bigger body. Let's

1638
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:24,880
Speaker 5: let's plug him and see how he does. We got

1639
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:27,120
Speaker 5: the running back. Let's see if Cookie can you know,

1640
01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 5: if Cook can be a bigger role this year. We

1641
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:34,439
Speaker 5: cleared the deck for him with motor Devin Singletary gone,

1642
01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:35,920
Speaker 5: all right, we'll see if we can do that.

1643
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:36,160
Speaker 4: Now.

1644
01:23:36,160 --> 01:23:38,439
Speaker 5: We brought in these two other guys Sherfield and Hardy.

1645
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:41,160
Speaker 5: Hardy is a fast guy, is gonna take the lid

1646
01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:44,640
Speaker 5: off it. And Surefield he carved out a role for

1647
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:47,000
Speaker 5: himself on one of the really good offense when it

1648
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 5: was clicking. The Miami offense was really going and he

1649
01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 5: was a part of it and nobody even knew who

1650
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:54,160
Speaker 5: he was. But with the two guys they got in

1651
01:23:54,240 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 5: Waddling Hill, this guy really emerged in that environment. It's like, Okay, well,

1652
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:01,599
Speaker 5: now what are we to do with him? So they

1653
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:04,160
Speaker 5: have really put some focus on this offense and not

1654
01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:08,880
Speaker 5: to mention the guys up front. So yeah, in this

1655
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:12,200
Speaker 5: last offseason, it does look like they focused on it

1656
01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:16,400
Speaker 5: and elevating the depth and the quality of guys outside

1657
01:24:16,439 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 5: around Josh Allen. We'll see if it works. But philosophically, man,

1658
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:24,240
Speaker 5: I don't know that they're thinking. They're saying, we gotta

1659
01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:26,960
Speaker 5: tear it all down and rebuild it because he was

1660
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:29,120
Speaker 5: hard once in a while, you know what I'm saying.

1661
01:24:29,200 --> 01:24:33,000
Speaker 5: So they may have some better toys and some better

1662
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:36,320
Speaker 5: tools and some more wide ranging sets and personnel combinations

1663
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:39,760
Speaker 5: than they did a year ago, But as far as

1664
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 5: being more productive, man, that's.

1665
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:44,679
Speaker 4: A big ask. That's a big ask.

1666
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:51,120
Speaker 2: Right, Philip on the tweets sheet says Kincaid sixty plus targets,

1667
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:54,080
Speaker 2: forty plus catches, more than three hundred and fifty yards,

1668
01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:57,360
Speaker 2: receiving six touchdowns. He should eat a lot of slot

1669
01:24:57,439 --> 01:25:01,080
Speaker 2: and red zone targets. Torrents, I compete for the starting

1670
01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:04,680
Speaker 2: job immediately. I would be disappointed if Torrance can't take

1671
01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:07,640
Speaker 2: the full time job by mid season, disappointed if the

1672
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:09,720
Speaker 2: tight end can't eat into targets.

1673
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:12,519
Speaker 3: Enough to be on par with Gabe Davis.

1674
01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 2: So let's just take a quick look Steve. Gabe Davis

1675
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:20,920
Speaker 2: last season had ninety three targets and forty eight receptions.

1676
01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:26,679
Speaker 2: Dawson Knox had sixty five targets and the same number

1677
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:32,280
Speaker 2: of receptions as Gabe Davis forty eight, and then Stefan

1678
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:34,519
Speaker 2: Diggs obviously ran away with it one hundred and fifty

1679
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:38,599
Speaker 2: four targets, one hundred and eight receptions. Mackenzie had sixty

1680
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:42,800
Speaker 2: five sixty four one hundred and fifty four one eight

1681
01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:47,639
Speaker 2: on reception can Meanwhile, McKenzie sixty five targets, forty two catches,

1682
01:25:48,520 --> 01:25:52,400
Speaker 2: and then Singletary was next with fifty two targets. So

1683
01:25:54,520 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 2: you would expect a lot of Singletary's targets to go

1684
01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:59,439
Speaker 2: to Cook who had only twenty one, who had only

1685
01:25:59,479 --> 01:26:02,560
Speaker 2: thirty two last year, You would expect his numbers to

1686
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:06,720
Speaker 2: go up about twenty twenty five. Where does Kim Who

1687
01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:09,320
Speaker 2: does Kim kid in to eat into? It's probably Gabe

1688
01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:15,160
Speaker 2: Davis ninety three targets, Mackenzie's targets and Mackenzie Yeah, but

1689
01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:18,280
Speaker 2: you Khali is going to get more too, he only

1690
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:19,200
Speaker 2: had twenty last year.

1691
01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:21,559
Speaker 5: It all comes down to it's like a basketball team. Man,

1692
01:26:22,280 --> 01:26:25,200
Speaker 5: who's getting the minutes? Yeah, who's getting the reps? Are

1693
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:27,479
Speaker 5: they going to because if they go eleven personnel like

1694
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:29,240
Speaker 5: they did last year, King Kaid's going to be over

1695
01:26:29,240 --> 01:26:35,479
Speaker 5: there drinking gatorade. That's you know, And this just then

1696
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:38,040
Speaker 5: they're really good out of eleven personnel.

1697
01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:39,080
Speaker 3: They are.

1698
01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:41,439
Speaker 2: But the question is do you make King Kaid one

1699
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:44,200
Speaker 2: of those guys that are the receivers in the eleven

1700
01:26:44,240 --> 01:26:48,320
Speaker 2: personnel not the tight end technically on paper will read

1701
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:52,160
Speaker 2: twelve personnel, but if he's replacing a receiver slot or

1702
01:26:52,200 --> 01:26:54,519
Speaker 2: split out wide, yeah, yeah, it's it's kind of a

1703
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:55,280
Speaker 2: different animal.

1704
01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:57,360
Speaker 4: Running an emotion in that kind of thing. Yeah, we'll see.

1705
01:26:57,560 --> 01:26:58,679
Speaker 3: Got to take a break here.

1706
01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:01,600
Speaker 2: Some final thoughts on the tweet sheet next on what

1707
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:04,400
Speaker 2: is your rookie year outlook for the Bill's top two picks.

1708
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:06,000
Speaker 3: We'll be back in a couple of minutes.

1709
01:27:12,720 --> 01:27:18,040
Speaker 2: All right, welcome back to one of Bill's lives.

1710
01:27:18,040 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 3: Some final thoughts on the tweet sheet. As we were

1711
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:22,040
Speaker 3: asking you for your thoughts.

1712
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:25,760
Speaker 2: On the rookie year outlook for both Dalton Kincaid and

1713
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:28,880
Speaker 2: Osiris Torrens, b Hicks says, can Ca should be an

1714
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:31,320
Speaker 2: immediate impact. Maybe not a crazy amount of stats, but

1715
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:36,240
Speaker 2: presents alone will demand respect from defenses and open up Diggs,

1716
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:39,880
Speaker 2: Davis and Knox Torrans. I don't see starting over Baits

1717
01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:42,200
Speaker 2: in year one, but will provide very solid depth at

1718
01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:44,040
Speaker 2: the position. I kind of think he's going to give

1719
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:47,639
Speaker 2: Baits a run for his money. Yeah, I think Baits,

1720
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:50,040
Speaker 2: as you were saying Steve before he came back on

1721
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:55,040
Speaker 2: the air, sharp as attack, versatile player. Yeah, tough, hard

1722
01:27:55,120 --> 01:27:59,120
Speaker 2: nosed player, but he just simply does not have what

1723
01:27:59,200 --> 01:28:03,679
Speaker 2: Osiris torrents It says, which is a massive size, super

1724
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:07,479
Speaker 2: long arms and the phiswer to just anchor down and

1725
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:10,200
Speaker 2: hold his grounds.

1726
01:28:10,240 --> 01:28:13,920
Speaker 4: Tough to be it is and who knows. We're gonna

1727
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:14,320
Speaker 4: go around on it.

1728
01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:16,880
Speaker 5: We're gonna find out what's gonna happen in training camp,

1729
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:21,720
Speaker 5: about how Kinkaid's snap counts are gonna look and and

1730
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:23,400
Speaker 5: what it's gonna look like when he's out there.

1731
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:28,639
Speaker 4: Who's with him? Yeah? Who's he when he's out there?

1732
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:30,080
Speaker 4: Who's not? You know?

1733
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:33,000
Speaker 3: I mean, are there two receivers on the field? Are

1734
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:33,559
Speaker 3: there three?

1735
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Speaker 5: Is it is it knocks Kincaid and two receivers or

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01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:42,519
Speaker 5: is it Kincaid and three receivers and split it out?

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Speaker 8: You know?

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Speaker 5: That's that's all on the table. It's I think it's

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Speaker 5: gonna be fascinating to see how they do this.

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Speaker 2: Andrew says, competition is the outlook that I see. Couldn't

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Speaker 2: have been said much better.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 2: That is it for us today. Thanks you for all

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Speaker 2: the responses on the phone lines and on the tweets,

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Speaker 2: sheets Steve, and I'll catch you tomorrow, Bro. A Wednesday

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Speaker 2: edition of One Bill's Live We'll see at one h