1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,239 Speaker 1: Ron Ananian, what does it take to be a mechanic? 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: What's it like during the week? And it's a hard 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: question to answer because it depends on the week. Doctor 4 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: the car Doctor. Let's assume it's a no code diagnosis, 5 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: which is always hard. Uh. You know, it's sort of 6 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: like going to the doctor and saying, Doc, I don't 7 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: feel good. He says, what's the matter, and you go, 8 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 1: I don't know. Welcome to the radio home of Ron 9 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: and Nanian the Car Doctor, since this is where car 10 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: owners the world overturned to for their definitive opinion on 11 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: automotive repair. If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, 12 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: pick up the phone and call in the garage. Do 13 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,279 Speaker 1: orders are open? But I am here to take your 14 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: calls at eight five five five six, And now he running, 15 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: I suppose I have to start the show today telling 16 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: you a repair story, because I know that's what you're 17 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: really tuning in for. Judging by the email and the 18 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: comment in the Facebook posts, you guys love hearing about 19 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: stories from the shop. So here's a doozy, another real 20 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: story right from the bay. It happened this week, and 21 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: it actually didn't happen this week. It started about four 22 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: years ago. Yeah, the stories four years in the making. 23 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: Four years ago, two thousand two, Ford Excursion came in, 24 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: big Diesel seven three power stroke were right, big truck, 25 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: the last of the big big trucks, and it needed 26 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: to maybe s break lines and I had to order 27 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: them from Ford, and the only way you could order it, 28 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: and Ford just they couldn't identify it was this line 29 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 1: or that line, left or right? Which one wasn't I 30 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: kept describing it. They couldn't idea. They were cheap enough. 31 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: I talked to the customer. Parts were getting hard to 32 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: get forward at that time because these these trucks have 33 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: been gone a while. And the customers said, you know, 34 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,279 Speaker 1: it's it's two lines. Why don't we just buy both 35 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: and you'll have one in stock in case the other 36 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: one goes bad. And you know, if I don't use it, 37 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: it's only twenty bucks. And I said, yeah, you're right, shoe, 38 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: that makes sense. So his brought the Excursion in, wielded 39 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: in the door. I figured out which line, Okay, put 40 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: the line on, and you know it's nice when you 41 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 1: get an A B S line from Ford, right, from 42 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 1: the manufacturer, any manufacturer, right, it's it's it's it's it's 43 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: bent right, neurld right, the correct fitting clips, pip smips, 44 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: all the good stuff and Jesus, like a work of art, 45 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: you can't throw it away and I couldn't. And I'm 46 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: not a junk collector or a parts collector or a collector. 47 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: I tend to, you know, things said that they have 48 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: a finite life in my shop, because otherwise I would 49 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 1: need a shop ten times bigger than the one I've got, 50 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,519 Speaker 1: and I don't want that. And I mean, I tend 51 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,239 Speaker 1: to actually put you know, I put stuff in a box. 52 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: I'll put a date on the box in two years 53 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: from now. I haven't touched it, and I touched it 54 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: every time I touch it. I'll dated if I haven't 55 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: touched it and throw it out. That's it. We're done. 56 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 1: I don't I don't need it that long. But I 57 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: kept this line. For some reason, I kept this line, 58 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: and I didn't know why. I just kept looking at it, 59 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: thinking that's gonna come in handy. I'm gonna need that 60 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: for something. And I didn't expect it to be another 61 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: Ford excursion because excursions are gone, right, they were obsolete. 62 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: I think ten years ago. What was the last year 63 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:10,959 Speaker 1: for an excursion at ten and eleven. Maybe maybe less. 64 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: I just know that, you know, they the bridges moaned 65 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: every time one of them went over it because they 66 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:21,799 Speaker 1: weighed so much. So but I kept this line. This 67 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: week a a two thousand four Chevy Tahoe that had 68 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: been sitting for quite a while. The owners in Colorado 69 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: Brian and he vehicles out here in New Jersey, and 70 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: he decided he wanted to sell it, so he needed 71 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: it put in shape. So it was towed to the 72 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: shop because it wouldn't run, and we got it running. 73 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: Some animals had gotten in under the hood and chewed 74 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: up part of the wiring harness for the accelerator pedal 75 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: control system for the throttle control drive by wire, and 76 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: I got it running. And then it needed breaks because 77 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: the main brake line going from the front ABS controller 78 00:03:54,800 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 1: to the rear DIF had rotted and blown. So know, 79 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: we got it running. Okay, it runs. Now we've got 80 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: to get brakes on because he's gonna sell it um 81 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: or so he thinks, and that's what he wants. But 82 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: what am I gonna do? So, uh, you know, we 83 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: start running brake lines and the A B S controller 84 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: on a GM. You wonder what the engineer was thinking. Well, 85 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 1: I know what he was thinking. He wasn't thinking he 86 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: you know, I'm really convinced that they designed this stuff 87 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: on paper. In the morning, they go to lunch, they 88 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: have a liquid lunch, they come back and they go, yeah, 89 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: let's get it approved. Then we're done. Um uh. You know, 90 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: sometimes you wonder what they're thinking because they put this 91 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 1: a B AS controller with these five steel brake lines 92 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 1: right down on the lower frame rail on the left 93 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: side under the driver's seat area, and it's exposed to 94 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: all the road salt, corrosion, schmutz, water, I mean, you 95 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 1: name it. It hits this thing during its life. So 96 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: here's this fifteen, sixteen year old vehicle that rotted the 97 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 1: brake line right now, it's you got to get it apart. 98 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: The first four lines came apart, okay, you know, thank 99 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: god for p B little PBS oaked everything soaked. The 100 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: fifth one and the failure on the fifth one wasn't 101 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: the p B blasters fault. It was just the steel 102 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: had corroded into the aluminum to the point that it 103 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 1: it gold the aluminum coming out, and it actually, it's 104 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: an ugly word when you're talking about an ABS controller. 105 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: It actually gold. The aluminum took part of the thread 106 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 1: with it, not a lot, just enough, just enough that 107 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: no one wouldn't go back in. You could get a 108 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 1: new one in you'd be okay, but you couldn't because 109 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 1: it was gold. Oh on the vehicle that we're trying 110 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: not to spend money because he's gonna sell it. So 111 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: I'm looking around the shop and and you know, I 112 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: really think God in the universe give you jobs like 113 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: this every once in a while because it's a lesson 114 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: in how resourceful are you and how calm can you stay? 115 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: Because at the end of the day, like life that 116 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 1: car in front of you, you got to solve the problem, right. 117 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: You can't get upset about problems in life. You just can't. 118 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: I mean there's some, but you try to stay calm. 119 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: You think better when you're clear. You can get aggravated 120 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: later and you know, you want to throw something, you 121 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: want to yell, you want to scream, you want to 122 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: you know whatever, later fix the problem. You know, I 123 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: guess when they designed that a B S controller, they 124 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: they kept the thread pitch a secret because it doesn't 125 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: match anything. Nothing, not a zip there wasn't a line 126 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: in the shop that a tap, a line of fitting, 127 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:30,119 Speaker 1: nothing except yeah, you got it. I kept walking past 128 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: that line hanging in the brake breck and I turned 129 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: to it after five minutes and I said to Danny. 130 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: I looked at him and I went, I bet you 131 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 1: this is it. I bet you this is that line. 132 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: This is why I kept this brake line. He said, 133 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: you think, I said, yeah, I know. Watch this, took 134 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: it off the rack, oiled it up, put a drop 135 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: of oil on the threads, put a drop of oil 136 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: under the coupling so it would spend nice and free, 137 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 1: and walked it into the first four break line fitting 138 00:06:58,080 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 1: holes on the A B S controller. We had it 139 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: out on the on the on the vice, on the 140 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: on the bench at this point, and you know, they 141 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: fought a little bit. They cleaned up. There was some 142 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 1: gritting there. We were careful. We we we tried to 143 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: plug the orifices that you know, where the lines go, 144 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: so we don't put any crut into the controller. And 145 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: we got the thread fittings working real nice, like yeah, 146 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: that's it. No effort to start off, you know, thumb 147 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: and four fingers twizzled it right in, got to the 148 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: fifth one, and now I knew the threat pitch. It's this. 149 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. I don't know the 150 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: exact size. I don't have a tampera die to match it. 151 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: But I know this will work. Steal fitting going into 152 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: an aluminum. It's got to form it, put a little 153 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:41,119 Speaker 1: more oil on the threads, lined it up straight, and 154 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: just you know, you say the mechanics prayer, Dear God, 155 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: get me out of this, and it works all right. 156 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: I was able to very carefully form the aluminum back 157 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: to shape, worked it back out, worked it back in, 158 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: worked it back out, twizzled it back in my hand, 159 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: dead square, bolted it up, and we went about running 160 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: the rest of the brake line. Hey, you know what, 161 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: keeping that old crumby line worked, it really helped. It 162 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: was like and I had to keep it right. I 163 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: put it back on the shelf. I said, you know, ever, 164 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: no we may get an a tahoe in or a 165 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: Suburban or a Chevy Silverado, because they all wrought the 166 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: brake lines, and they all you know, they all have 167 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: their issues. I said, but you know what, at this point, 168 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: maybe the universe is gonna send us another road to 169 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: excursion with a rusted out right side brake line, and 170 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: this is gonna be the only one in existence because 171 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: they're obsolete. You can't get these anymore. You can't get 172 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: the parts for it, this particular brake line. I knew 173 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 1: it was a real test though. As if that wasn't 174 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 1: bad enough, Once you take that A B S controller route, 175 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:42,959 Speaker 1: you now have to a BS bleed. You have to 176 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: do an A B S bleed with a scan tool. 177 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: You have to um run a test where you activate 178 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: the A B S motor and purge the air out 179 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: of the controller in order to get a brake pedal. Well, 180 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: remember back at the beginning where I told you they 181 00:08:56,080 --> 00:09:00,559 Speaker 1: were animals in this car. Well, I got running and 182 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: we never worried about the rest of the lights on 183 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: the desk because the customer is gonna sell it. And 184 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: one of the lights on the desk was antilock break 185 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: controller and I never really thought about it because he 186 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: wasn't concerned. I looked it up. I had scanned it 187 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 1: at the time, and it reported a right front wheel 188 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: speed sensor circuit fault and they said, okay, it's probably 189 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: got a bad wheel bearing. They all do. They're they're 190 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: they're common on this generation and we're not. We don't care, right, 191 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: We're just trying to make it run and stop. Now. 192 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: I cared the other thing the GM engineer did, and 193 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a legality here, but if a General 194 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: Motors truck of this year in vintage has an anti 195 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: lock brake fault in the system, it won't let you 196 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: do an anti lock break system bleed. It just it 197 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: just won't. You have to fix this to fix that, 198 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 1: even though even though you could drive that truck from 199 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: California to New Jersey and back seven times and the 200 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: brakes will still operate as regular brakes. For whatever reason, 201 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: if the antilock break light was on because the antilocks, 202 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: so the antilock system wouldn't work for whatever reason when 203 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: it comes to bleeding. They want to they want the 204 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: system to be perfect. They wanted to have no faults. 205 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a legal reason or an engineering reason, 206 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: uh smoke on your pipe seven times reason, But whatever 207 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: it was, I can't figure it out. It makes no 208 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: sense to me. So I knew it was a circuit 209 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: fault because as I cleared the code and it would 210 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 1: come right back without the vehicle moving which tells me 211 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: it's a circuit fault related to the computer. When it 212 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: gets powered up, it's going out and it's looking at 213 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: its circuitry, is looking at sending a voltage out and 214 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: expecting to see it back on the other leg. And 215 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: it didn't. I did a little digging. Why don't you 216 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: know the animals got down to just the right front 217 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: wheel speed sensor, chewed up the wiring harness under the 218 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: plastic tubing where you couldn't see it until you peeled 219 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 1: it back, and I jumped across it. I was able 220 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: to a bs bleed, and around four thirty three yesterday afternoon, 221 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: that truck went down the road on its own with 222 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: real breaks. Monday will finish it all, sodder in a 223 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: permanent repair to that that antilog, break controller wiring and 224 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: make it go. But isn't that the craziest thing, The 225 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: one vehicle that's gonna test you. You don't know where 226 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:09,559 Speaker 1: or when, and you hang onto the part. And I 227 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: said to myself, I'm gonna need that. And I guess 228 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: the moral to the story is trust your gut life. 229 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: Are fixing cars. Every once in a while, you get 230 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: that urge to say, hey, I'm gonna need that. Hang 231 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: on to it. There's a reason for it. Eight five 232 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: zero nine zero zero. Run any in the car, doctor 233 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 1: at your service. I'll be back right after this to 234 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: open the phones. Don't go away. God, I got your 235 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: number time right it on the wall, so you don't 236 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 1: forget to call for car advice. Done right? Eight five 237 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: five five zero zero zero. Now back to row. Hey, 238 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: let's get over to Alan Maryland. Now, welcome and how 239 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: can I help you today? All right, Ron, long time, 240 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: I'm listener. Always learned something from your show every week 241 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: and thanks to taking my call. Um. This is a 242 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: two thousand five Pisan CenTra one point eight Leader base engine. 243 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 1: Nothing fancy. I'm experiencing what sounds like pinging. It happens 244 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: at light throttle under light load. So if you run 245 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: down the road fifty miles an hour and fifty year, uh, 246 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: constant throttle, everything seems okay. If you're pressed on the 247 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: throttle a little bit, you start hearing that rattlings. Now 248 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: that to be sounds like pinging. Same thing. If you're 249 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: making a turn, you're off the gas pedal. You come 250 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: out of the turn on the straightaway slightly to press 251 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: the gas pedal you start here in this pinning um 252 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:43,319 Speaker 1: only happens after it's warmed up. Doesn't happen during warm up, 253 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: doesn't happen at idle. If you're sitting in a driveway 254 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: and up the engine doesn't happen. If you're driving down 255 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: the road and fifty miles an hour, throwing the clutch 256 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: and rub it up doesn't happen. Now, this came on 257 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: after I did a bunch of things to the car, 258 00:12:56,160 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: so apparently something I did uh may have caused this. Uh. 259 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: The first thing that happened was the starter failed, and U. 260 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 1: When the starter failed, it was the opinion that failed, 261 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: not the solenoid. So you got this spinning sound of 262 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: the armature, but the opinion wasn't engaging the ring here. 263 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: When I heard that noise, I worried that maybe it 264 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 1: could be the timing chain. So I removed the valve 265 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:20,719 Speaker 1: cover to look at the timing chain, the timing chain, 266 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,719 Speaker 1: the guid's attention, and everything looked fine. But I had 267 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: removed the valve cover and across all the hoses and 268 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: all that stuff. I replaced the starter, and of course 269 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,959 Speaker 1: to replace the starter, I had to disconnect the battery, 270 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 1: which meant no power to the e c M. So UM, 271 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: put the new starter on, put the valve cover back on. UH, 272 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: changed the spark plugs while I was in there, and 273 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: I started it. Well, I started it and it wouldn't idle, 274 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: And I realized then what my mistake was. Uh, this 275 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 1: is a drive by wire car. There's a closed throttle 276 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: position learning procedure you have to go through. I hadn't 277 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: done at So I did that and after that it 278 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: idled properly. It did throw UM throttle throttle actuator code. 279 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: I erased the code. It was idly fine. Everything seemed 280 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: to be okay. Started driving it, and I noticed what 281 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: seems to be the stinging phenomenon, which didn't happen before. 282 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: So somehow or another, between removing the valve cover, changing 283 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: the starter, changing the plugs, no power to the e 284 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: c M, not doing the learning procedure the first time 285 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: on the on the throttle throttle sensor, somehow or another, 286 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: I've created this rattling sound at light load under U 287 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: UH light acceleration. I wonder if you've got the I 288 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: wonder if you've got the g r VL hooked up right? Uh? Well, 289 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: all I did was removed the hose. I didn't. I didn't. 290 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: Um do you do? Do yourself a favor and forget 291 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: the coincidence for a moment when you get a chance. 292 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: Go under the hood. Yeah, and look at the e 293 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: g R valve. There's a little short hose on the 294 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: back pressure transducer that rots through. And I wonder if 295 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: you were just I wonder if you disturbed it just 296 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: enough that it created a fault. Interesting and it wouldn't 297 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: throw a code. It may it may not, okay, because 298 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: there's no codes. And I also ran the car with 299 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: the stand tool connected, watched the spark advance to see 300 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: if there was a correlation between ignition timing and when 301 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: this paining phenomenon occurs, and there really wasn't. I mean, 302 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: you know, the spark advance tends to hang around degrees 303 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: that constant rottle. If you come off the trottle and 304 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: goes down, you come back up. But there was no 305 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: sharp change in ignition timing when this phenomenon occurs. Right, 306 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: it probably is from your description. Now you know, forget 307 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: that you took it apart. First of all, you're obligated 308 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: to go back over and go over everything. Look at 309 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: every hose you've got off and make sure everything is 310 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: routed correctly. All right. Second, then we'll talk about order 311 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: of probability of common failure e g. R issues are common, 312 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: that little short holes on the back pressure transducer gets 313 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: soft and gummy and schmutze, and it tends to deteriorate 314 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: and fall apart. You may have you may have heard 315 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: it unknowingly. You may not even realize that it's it's 316 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: not right number two, number three, you know. Then we 317 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: start to talk about and I get it that there's 318 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: no fault codes. But codes aren't the bottom line answer 319 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: on why I consider something good or bag um. You know, 320 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: case in point, you can pull a plug, connector or 321 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: a wire off of a Ford product certain years. Heck, 322 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: you can drive that thing around the block. You can 323 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: drive that thing downtown. It'll run rough. Um, won't set 324 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: a fault. Code, won't set up misfire. That's why I 325 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: was looking an RPM if there was a residence to 326 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: a certain RPM. Look the ignition tis now you're thinking right, um, 327 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 1: you know, and then you've got to get into the 328 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,400 Speaker 1: ugly stuff. And before you start thinking about the ugly stuff, 329 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: you got to know what's good. You know, I believe 330 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: it or not. I've seen head gasst's on these on 331 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 1: a CenTra actually cause a pining condition, but not after, 332 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: not after you just because you disconnected the battery and 333 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: disconnected the valve covering took it apart. But you know 334 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: it's it's what are the odds? Sometimes with your luck 335 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:34,360 Speaker 1: all you never know. Um, you know it could be, 336 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: but you'd have to tell me, you know, do a 337 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 1: cylinder leakdown test, check all four cylinders. Do you have 338 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: any compression issues? You know, but look for the simple first. 339 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,959 Speaker 1: And have you have you tried disconnecting the battery again 340 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:53,199 Speaker 1: both terminals, you know, shorting the two battery cables together 341 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: to bleed computer memory down and then start up and 342 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: do a relearn right from scratch, and of course maybe 343 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: a better grade of guest, just to see if that 344 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 1: has any effect. Do those few things. Coming back next week, 345 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: al and we'll talk about it some more. I'm running 346 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: any of the Car Doctor. We are back right after 347 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: this welcome back. We're on any of the Car Doctor 348 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: eight five five five six zero zero zero The Car 349 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: Doctor seven phone number eight five five five six zero 350 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: nine zero zero. I have to slow down when I 351 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 1: say that eight five five noum only kN eight five 352 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 1: five five zero nine zero. People say, g see it's 353 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,479 Speaker 1: so fast, like well, I'm I'm in a heartreach, got 354 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: a lot to do. I'm sorry, Um no, no, no 355 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 1: offense intended. Let's get over to ed Arizona. Sixty nine 356 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: Pontiac trans Am is a rare car Edward original original 357 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 1: t A matching numbers. My friend, oh boy, white white 358 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: with a blue stripe. Yep, I'll give you ten bucks 359 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: for it. For you got a few zeroes to that, 360 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 1: and you got a deal for a picture. Um, you 361 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: know we used to. I'll tell you quick. It's a 362 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 1: true sixty trans Am story. You know. They were just, 363 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: they were just, they were just firebirds back in the day. Right, 364 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: and Alan Hubill came down white cough ab that night 365 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: in Ramsey and he missed the turn to Tyrod snapped 366 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,360 Speaker 1: and he put he put his sixty a right into 367 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 1: the tree um in radiator shop. Right, you know this story? 368 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: Oh you know this story? Then? Yeah, that's right, boy, 369 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: look at this. Huh Rannie, you don't remember me. I'm 370 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: trying to think now now you got me, Eddie Marino, 371 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 1: Eddie good Lord, sure, yeah, absolutely absolutely, we threw we 372 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 1: threw Phil. We threw Phil into the reflecting pool in 373 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,959 Speaker 1: front of the high school, that's right, and we got 374 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 1: called into the principal's office because of it. Uh yeah, 375 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 1: I remember that. Absolutely. They wouldn't let us graduate. Well 376 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: they did at the end because they wanted to get 377 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: rid of us. I think, um, exactly. Yeah, So how 378 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: can I help you here today, my friend? So listen? 379 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, sixty nine firebird heating problems. Just moved to 380 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: Arizona from New York, mahwa and the heat accuse peeing 381 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,959 Speaker 1: on the floor. So my only question is, uh, remove it. 382 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: Plug it. I don't want to replace it because we 383 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 1: have triple digit weather right now, and even at Christmas 384 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: time it never really gets cold. So leave it. Yeah, 385 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 1: I'd leave it and create a bypass loop for the moment, 386 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: you know, and then I'd make it a winter project 387 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 1: whatever winter looks like out there, you know, even even 388 00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 1: though even though you're not going to drive it at 389 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: the very least, I would take the summertime time that 390 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: you have and start to source your parts, you know, 391 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: because if you've had this card an they length of time, 392 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: you know that you know the drill right how it's uh, 393 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: you know the quality of the parts as questionable, you 394 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: might as we'll start looking now and uh, you know, 395 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,679 Speaker 1: gather what you think you need. Um, you know, not 396 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: everything in the catalogs is as it appears. And uh, 397 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: what you could try is although I'm sure by now 398 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: it's all gone, if you've got a source for GM 399 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: parts or Delco parts. Um, I'll tell you the story 400 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: this way. So I've got I've got a parts warehouse 401 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 1: that deals direct with Delco. I can get older Delco 402 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: numbers by having them called Delco Direct and they put 403 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: it into the system and if it's anywhere in the 404 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 1: continental US, they'll they'll source it and ship and I 405 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: gotta pay shipping. But I'm getting an original GM part. Um, 406 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 1: you know, So you might want to try something like that. 407 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 1: See if you've got something like that out your way, 408 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: Arizona way. You know, the issue you're gonna have is 409 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: that's a guarantee. That's a copper core radiator. And you know, 410 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: most of the replacement stuff you're gonna find it's gonna 411 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 1: be plastic and aluminum. And I'm you know, I'm not 412 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: a fan. Uh so so listen, Um, Black one is gone. 413 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: I now have Black two which is the spitting image 414 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: of it. Uh you know, Black One is gone. It's out, 415 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 1: actually out on Long Island. And uh you know, funny story. 416 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: I was putting Black One together and together. I had 417 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: taken it apart and going to put it back together, 418 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: and I never got around to it. And then I 419 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: stumbled upon the second car. And you know, and I 420 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: gotta tell you, the the older we get, the faster 421 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 1: we were, you know, because our memories fade, and um, 422 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: you know, some of the crazy things still do ring true. 423 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 1: But you know that being said, I had a chance 424 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: to get another two door post car, and I took 425 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: this two door post car. I made it the spitting 426 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: image of Black One. Nominated Black two sold Black One 427 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: to have fell out on the island. That has taken it. 428 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,239 Speaker 1: Now he's actually driving it. I don't think he really 429 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 1: knows the history of it or who it belonged to, 430 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 1: but it's gone. I know where it is. I see 431 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: it from time to time, and it's okay. You know 432 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 1: what I had my phone with it, sent for somebody 433 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: else to have fun. Was Black One shopped? Black One 434 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: was not shopped. Black One had the rear wheel wells 435 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: were opened up with the big slicks right, you know. Uh, 436 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 1: black two is the image, but the quarter panels Black 437 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: two is a is A is an original thirty seven 438 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 1: thousand mile car that I found in just sitting there. 439 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: It was parked in fifty seven or fifty eight, I 440 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,199 Speaker 1: think fifty eight, and the owner walked away from it 441 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 1: for forty years and it just kind of fell into 442 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: my lap, like things seemed to do. And um, you know, 443 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,199 Speaker 1: I just I just created a clone. You can do 444 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: things a lot easier when you're older, because you have 445 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: a checkbook and you're a lot smarter. Um, you know, 446 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're not doing death defying things 447 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: to make the car work, if you know what I mean. 448 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: So things are just a little bit easier. So well listen, 449 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,239 Speaker 1: my friend put to hear from you, so you'll be 450 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: you'll be well out there Phoenix Way, and you take 451 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: good care. Yeah you too, okay, but my bye, um jeez, 452 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 1: put me on the spot. Look at that. I mean, 453 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,360 Speaker 1: that's Eddie Marino. That's high school. That's my god, that's 454 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 1: a long time ago, Jeff and May and I'm feeling 455 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:10,919 Speaker 1: older by the minute. How can I help you in 456 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: your thirteen thirteen in present? What's going on. Well, Ron, 457 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: I didn't go to high school with you. I'm too 458 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: old for that. That's okay, we talked. I was from 459 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 1: New Jersey, Okay, right in your general neck of the woods. Okay. 460 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: Um yeah, Well my wife and I both had in presents. 461 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: She beats hers pretty badly. I'm very gentle on mine. Um, 462 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 1: she's not listening to the show. Uh. Well, we don't 463 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: get it until tomorrow. So you have to you have 464 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 1: to make sure she's gonna do something else tomorrow. Boy. 465 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 1: Otherwise I think I think next week here to be 466 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 1: calling the uh the dating doctor. Go ahead. So so 467 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: they both got some air conditioning issues, hers more than mine. Um, 468 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,880 Speaker 1: you know, and I see these do what you said, recharge, 469 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 1: and so I just didn't know if that was a 470 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: wise procedure to undertake. I have watched some YouTube's on 471 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: and talking about a high pressure I'm not and you 472 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: know what, Jeff, I'm not a fan of the self 473 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: charged d I y kits. They used to be okay, 474 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: and then they've changed some of the chemical composition. They've 475 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: also started they've added stealers now to them. And here's 476 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,360 Speaker 1: the problem. So you charge the car with a can 477 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 1: of refrigerant with sealer in it, all right, And if 478 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: that doesn't fix the problem, or if it does fix 479 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 1: the problem, and two years from now a component fails, 480 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: a compressor, a condenser, you you need to have a 481 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: component replaced the repair shop, all right? Is going if 482 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,479 Speaker 1: if first of all, if they know it's got sealer 483 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: in it, if they're in their right mind, they're going 484 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: to refuse the job. And if they don't, if they 485 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 1: identify it, it shows up with stealer. And if they're 486 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: going to refuse the job. And if you el him 487 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: it's got refrigerant with sealer in it that you charge 488 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: it with, they're going to refuse the job. Because the 489 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: point I'm trying to drive to is the little cans 490 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: of refrigerment with sealer in it, that sealer will ruin 491 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: the eight thousand dollar ACA machine. Yeah. So it's like 492 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 1: and you know, it's like I told somebody this week. 493 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 1: Somebody called me, uh the beginning of the week she 494 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: needed air conditioning work, and we kind of kind of 495 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: listened to the whole story, and you know, I got 496 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 1: the well, my husband charged it with. Okay, I said, right, 497 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 1: which brand did you use? And she mentioned the brand 498 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: and I said, right, here's why I can't do the job, 499 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: all right, because it had sealer in it. And she said, well, 500 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: he actually never got the refrigerant to go in, which 501 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 1: is why I'm calling because I've decided to not let 502 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 1: him do this because I don't think he knows what 503 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: he's doing. Long story short, because I don't know what happened. 504 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 1: I never saw the cart, never showed up with its 505 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: scheduled appointment time. Anyway, Um, you know what air conditioning 506 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: is something that I can guarantee a few things. Yes, 507 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: it's gonna be expensive to fix. B it's better for 508 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: the system if it's service properly. Such is instead of 509 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 1: just adding refrigerant and playing, you know, poke and hope 510 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: it's it's pulled down, vacuumed. Oil is measured coming out, 511 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 1: oil is measured going in, and the system is charged 512 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: to the correct spec Because understand, back in the days 513 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: when I went to high school, we'll go back to 514 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: that reference. You know, the average air conditioning car it 515 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: was three and a half four pounds of refrigerant. If 516 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 1: it was off by four maybe six maybe eight ounces, 517 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: it's still blue cold. Right today, the average system is 518 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,719 Speaker 1: a pound sixteen ounces. If it's off by four ounces, 519 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: that's the charge you'll never know. I've had cars. I've 520 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 1: had cars two ounces uh lower than normal, and it 521 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: affects air conditioning cooling. Air conditioning is is very much 522 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 1: an exact science and the only good thing about to 523 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: do it yourself can in this mechanics opinion is it 524 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: generates work for the real shop. Unfortunately, I just I 525 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:05,439 Speaker 1: just not a fan. Yeah, And I and to be 526 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: and to be transparent. That attitude, that position has changed 527 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 1: over the years because I've seen the problems that have 528 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 1: come up. Real quick. Second question, so the on my car, um, 529 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: you know, I've got four events that blow blow at 530 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: chess level, okay, which I generally keep mind on one 531 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 1: of them, the third one from the left, it's blowing 532 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: very cold, right. The other three are different. Does that 533 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: indicate anything in particular or I'll tell you what. I'll 534 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: tell you what, jeff I have to do this to you. 535 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: When the car doctor returns, I'll answer your question. I 536 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: gotta pull over him up against the clock. Don't go anywhere, Jeffrey, 537 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,239 Speaker 1: I'm running any in. The car doctor will return right 538 00:28:49,240 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: after this. Welcome back rom the of the car Doctor. 539 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: Jeff Mayne, you're still there, sir, Jeff. Jo Jeff Jeff, 540 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: Oh no, Jeff's gone. Let me tell you, guys what 541 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: what I was gonna tell Jeff. Then. So here's a 542 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: classic example of why you don't want to just put 543 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: a a pound of refrigerat in a system. The only 544 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: way sometimes to know what's good or to know what's bad, 545 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: ist to know what's good. And here's a car with 546 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: some strange behavior, right, it's blowing warm air out of 547 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: three ducks and cold they're out of one. This could 548 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: be a low charge, but this could also be a 549 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: problem with the under dask controls in the way that 550 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: the blend doors are designed to operate. So hooking up 551 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: getting a pressure reading, knowing system capacity, and I'm not 552 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: a fan of system pressure is telling me capacity either. 553 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: I still think here's a car that's a thirteen car 554 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: seven years old. If it's never had the A C 555 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: system service. In my opinion, it's three going on four 556 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: years overdue. It should be serviced every couple of years 557 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: from moisture and other issues. And let's do a system 558 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: pressure test. Let's see what capacity is. Let's put the 559 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: right amount of refrigerent oil in it, and maybe there's 560 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: nothing wrong. Maybe it's just gonna be a straight service 561 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 1: and just call it done. At least at that point 562 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: you know it's not refrigerant, it's not a capacity problem, 563 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: it's not a it's not a it's it's nothing that 564 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: has to do with the basics. You've baselined it. Then 565 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: at that point start to get into and go look 566 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: at the rest of the system. I've got a sneaking 567 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: suspicion this will be capacity and it's gonna be a 568 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: very small amount. I was just trying to make a point. 569 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: Bottom line. It all starts with basic service and diagnosis, 570 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: and that's what's so important. There is no there's very 571 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: little margin for error in order to repair anymore. And 572 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: you know I can't express that or stress that enough. 573 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: If you really believe here, I'll tell you a quick 574 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: story at Catillact this week, real quick. I gotta I 575 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: gotta in it. Catillac SRX this week that was setting 576 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 1: a p zero one seven two and one seven five 577 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: rich fault codes. The vehicle was running thirty percent richer 578 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: than its base value, was negative thirty, fuel trims negative thirty. 579 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,719 Speaker 1: The gasoline direct injection pump. This is a car with 580 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 1: a normal sixty five sixty six p s I pump 581 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: in the tank that feeds the gasoline direct injection pump 582 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 1: which is driven off the camp, which puts high high 583 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: pressure fuel pressure to the injectors anywhere from five dred 584 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: to three thousand p s I. The diaphragm and the 585 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: pump was was was was seeping, it was ruptured. I 586 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 1: had to prove what was good, just find what was bad, 587 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: because there was no way you could take that pump apart. 588 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: You wouldn't see it. It came down to I when 589 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: I said, yeah, it's gotta be the g d I pump. 590 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: There's nothing else. I pulled the dipstick out, took out 591 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: a match, set the dipstick on fire, and I was 592 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: burning the oil at the end of the dipstick. And 593 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 1: then he looked at me with his eyes wide open 594 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: because he'd never seen that before work. He was like wow. 595 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 1: I said, yeah, gasoline soaked oil, it's coming out of 596 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 1: the it's coming out of the g d I pump. 597 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: It's not PCV, it's nothing else related. I eliminated injectors. 598 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 1: I eliminated everything else. And sometimes that's the diagnosis, and 599 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: that's the level you have to go through before you 600 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: tell the person, Hey, you need fuel pumping system eight 601 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: five zero nine zero car doctors coming up right after this. 602 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: Don't go away, Hey, welcome back. Run the end of 603 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: the car doctor. Let's go over to uh Roseanne and 604 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 1: Missouri Roseanne. How can I help you? Yes, ma'am, Yes, sir, 605 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: I'm considering. I've always been with Toyota. I know Alexis 606 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: Bill on a Toyota frame. I'm considering as hybrid. Just 607 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: I don't need a hybrid. I drive pity an email miles. 608 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: What do they think about that? I think for you know, 609 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: someone that's not really going far that I don't know 610 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: that you're going to see a return on the dollar. 611 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 1: To be very honest, I think I would stay with 612 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: a gasoline version. You know, obviously the gasoline version of 613 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 1: that vehicle is simpler and easier to repair and maintain. 614 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 1: Will the hybrid? Will the hybrid go to the distance? Sure? 615 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: You know you'll you'll go two hundred thousand miles in 616 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: that car with normal wear and tear, right, you know? Yeah? 617 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: I mean it's it's you know what it's if you 618 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: want to do it as a science project, because I 619 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 1: think you gotta try everything once in life, but you 620 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: know it's it's you know, maybe you want to get 621 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 1: it and get rid of it in three years. But personally, 622 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 1: I think I would probably stick with a simple gas 623 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 1: powered Toyota Lexis version and call it a day. Whose 624 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: services the car Roseanne live in Strength from Missouria. I'm 625 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: thinking of buying it in Tulsa from a dealership. Okay, 626 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: So however, one certified and one's not certified. Well, anything 627 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: you buy used, you want to get it certified because 628 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: you want the paperwork in writing to back it up 629 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 1: and support what if any problems you have. But the 630 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 1: bigger question is who's going to service the vehicle? If 631 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 1: the dealer is going to service I'm sorry, that's non certain. 632 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,840 Speaker 1: The one that's not survived only has thirteen thousands. That 633 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 1: makes me Larry, I can't see it only has thirteen thousands. Yeah, 634 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,399 Speaker 1: I you know what, I'd still go back to, who's 635 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: gonna service it if you have a regular mechanic or 636 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: is it going to be at the dealer, Because ultimately 637 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: it's like the difference between a tar roof and a 638 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 1: brass roof. For a copperplated roof, which one's easier to 639 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: repair and easier to find somebody that understands it. And 640 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: I think, to me, that's the difference. But in your case, 641 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,879 Speaker 1: listen by what you like, enjoy life. I'm running anting 642 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,360 Speaker 1: the car doctor, reminding you good mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. 643 00:34:55,560 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 1: See you. She was staring sp