1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: I'm Holly Fry and I'm Tracy Vie Wilson. I cannot 4 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: tell you how exactly this particular topic got on my list. 5 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: I suspect it was when I was doing one of 6 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: those general surveys of like potentially unsettling Halloween episodes. Um, 7 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 1: but it's not really Halloween e even though it is 8 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:38,599 Speaker 1: a little gruesome. I've been circling it for a long time. Um, 9 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 1: it just though it is a murder, and aside from 10 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: being a murder, it just didn't seem like the right 11 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 1: fit for Halloween. Or I was just never in the 12 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: mood for this particular one when I got there when 13 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: I was looking at Halloween stuff. But I have been 14 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: wanting to talk about the Monte Carlo Trunk murder as 15 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: it came to be called in the press for quite 16 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: a while now, I would say at least three years. Um. 17 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: And that's because it's admittedly fascinating as a terrifying crime. 18 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: But there are also some other elements that come up 19 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: in the way that it was covered in the papers 20 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: that really caught my attention. For one, the women involved 21 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: in the crime get very different coverage than the man involved. 22 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 1: And when I say women, it's because like I'm including 23 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: the victim as well as a perpetrator in there. And 24 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: for another, there is a particular aspect to the whole 25 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 1: thing that comes up near the end that is so 26 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: soaked in wealth privilege that it is unsettling to me 27 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: in an entirely other way. Um, obviously, if you have 28 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: not intuited it from what I have already said, this 29 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: episode has some pretty grisily information, so heads up. It 30 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 1: does also contain mention of a suicide, so just know 31 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: all that going in. Yeah, I'll note that when you 32 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: and I were trying to figure out what order we 33 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: were going to record the things that we had prepared, 34 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: I was like, this is our first recording session of January. 35 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: It might be a little gruesome for the very first 36 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: thing we do, So we put it off for a 37 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:11,519 Speaker 1: little bit later. Yeah, it languished for a week. Well, oh, 38 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: he worked on other things because we didn't quite want 39 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: to talk about it yet. Yeah. We we are now though, 40 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: And it all starts with a man named vere Thomas 41 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 1: st Leger Gould. Gould was born on October two, eighteen 42 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: fifty three, in County Tipperary, and it was a well 43 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: off Irish family. His grandfather was a baronet, his great 44 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 1: grandfather was the Earl of Kenmar, and Gould grew up 45 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: consequently in a life of leisure. He was really free 46 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: to pursue his interests. He wasn't entirely without concern about 47 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: his future financial stability though he was the fifth son 48 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: in the family. That meant that he was not in 49 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,239 Speaker 1: a position to inherit a ton of wealth, but still 50 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: a comfortable life. Yeah, and also not in a position 51 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: to inherit the title. But even if very had not 52 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: been born into privilege, he likely still would have been enviable. 53 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: He was very handsome, He was incredibly charming, and he 54 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: excelled at athletics of all kinds. Some people even described 55 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: him as being just effortlessly good at everything he sailed. 56 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: He was a skilled horseback writer, and he was very 57 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: very good at tennis. He was also extremely competitive, and 58 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: he was educated at Trinity College in Dublin. Although he 59 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: played a lot of sports, tennis was what he really 60 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: became known for. In eighteen seventy nine, Gold won the 61 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: inaugural Irish Open after beating Charles david Berry, and then 62 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: from there he progressed to Wimbledon, which was in its 63 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: third year. He did quite well there as well. He 64 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: did so well that he made it to the final, 65 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: where he was matched against the Reverend John Hartley, but 66 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: goold self sabotaged. He got drunk the night before and 67 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: showed up to the match with what was described as 68 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: a roaring hangover and helaw to Hartly. Hartly incidentally remains 69 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: the only clergyman's who have ever won Wimbledon. Kind of 70 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: fascinating it was. It was not just called Wimbledon yet 71 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: at the time, but for the sake of of ease 72 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: for today's audiences were doing that instead of listing the 73 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: whole tennis club attorney. For the next several years, Gould 74 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: continued what looked like a pretty promising tennis career, and 75 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 1: he was something of a media darling because remember he 76 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: was very attractive and very charismatic, but he still also 77 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: had those same impulse control issues that he had had 78 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: at Wimbledon when it came to partying, and he did 79 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: not really progress the way he could have if he 80 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: had actually dedicated himself to the sport. In eighteen eighty three, 81 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: he finally left behind his tennis career after losing just 82 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: a long series of matches. After that, the family estate 83 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: provided him an allowance, and had it not been for 84 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: his addictive and impulsive nature, he probably could have lived 85 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 1: out his life quite comfortably. In eighteen ninete, eight years 86 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: into his retirement from tennis, Gould met and married a 87 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 1: woman named Marie Girraudin. She was a dressmaker born in 88 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 1: France and had moved to England when she was still 89 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: a child. She had been married and widowed at least 90 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: once and possibly twice accounts very on that detail. Her 91 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 1: dress shop was not especially successful. She was actually in 92 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: debt to a lot of her clients, which I find fascinating. Yeah, 93 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: she I think on outward appearances it sounds like it 94 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: probably would have looked quite successful. She did have like 95 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,559 Speaker 1: a pretty big brisk business in terms of people coming 96 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 1: in and getting closer. But she, as well discuss in 97 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 1: a moment, always had a taste for a life that 98 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: was greater than what she could finance, and so she 99 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 1: would borrow from her clients on occasion, which is just 100 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 1: a bad practice. Um. The two of these two people 101 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 1: were married in London in a Roman Catholic church. Marie's 102 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: name on the marriage certificate was Violet Wilkinson, a widow 103 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 1: daughter of Ippolite Geraldin her previous husband. Wilkinson was described 104 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: later as quote an obscure British Army officer. We don't 105 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,479 Speaker 1: know a whole lot more about him. Marie and Vere 106 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: made for a match that was both good and horrible. 107 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: Good in that they were similar in a lot of ways, 108 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 1: and they seemed very very compatible and horrible, and that 109 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: their similarities meant that they also seemed to bring out 110 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: just the worst in each other. They both loved luxury, 111 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: and they lived far beyond their means. The pair fell 112 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: into a lifestyle habit of running up debts and then 113 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: cutting out of where they were living when their creditors 114 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 1: expected to be paid back, and then starting over again 115 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: in a new location. Again not a good financial plan. 116 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: Um first, they settled in London, where they had married, 117 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: and Gould was described to the papers by people who 118 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: knew him in London later as an absolutely lovely person. 119 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 1: He had charming manners, he was kind to children. In 120 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: a rite up, after the Goulds became the focus of 121 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: the world, the new York Times reported that quote. A 122 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: former friend said that it was his habit when coming 123 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: home late from the club or the theater, to collect 124 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: stray cats and bring them in to share his supper. 125 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: As things got dicey in London, the Goulds moved to 126 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: Montreal and they started over. They didn't seem to tell 127 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: anybody they were leaving London. Their landlord reported later that 128 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: when he visited their apartment in early nineteen o two, 129 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: after he hadn't heard anything from them, he found that 130 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: all the furniture was gone, and so were the Goulds. 131 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: In Montreal, they opened up a millinary shop and a 132 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: dressmaking business, and Marie's stress shop was fairly successful. It 133 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: was later described in the press having made considerable money. 134 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: They learned absolutely no lessons from their London experience, though, 135 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: because once again they ran up huge debts, both in 136 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: their outright spending and through gambling. When Montreal got a 137 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: little too hot for them, in about nine four, Verre 138 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: and Marie moved back to England, this time to Liverpool, 139 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: and it was around this time that the couple started 140 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: billing themselves as surveyor and Lady Gould. Gould actually had 141 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: preceded his wife to Liverpool. He opened a steam laundry 142 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: business and purchased several other local laundries, but these businesses 143 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: ultimately failed. Despite the pomp with which they conducted themselves 144 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: in public, in private, it was clear that their money 145 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: and their credit were running low. So, and what sounds 146 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 1: like the plot of a modern cinema tale, they decided 147 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 1: to go to Monaco to try to make themselves a 148 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: fortune through gambling. When they got there, they settled into 149 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: Villa Minnesini, and for a while another woman lived with them. 150 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,199 Speaker 1: She was twenty five, and the Goulds introduced her to 151 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 1: people as their niece, Mademoiselle Girodin. This niece pops up 152 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: in various accounts about the Goulds, but she's seems to 153 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,839 Speaker 1: vanish before things get really intense in the next part 154 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: of the story, so we don't know if she really 155 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 1: was a relative or just a woman that they were 156 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: friends with. Yeah, it's one of those things that you'll 157 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,719 Speaker 1: see in various accounts of their lives, like, oh, there 158 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: was a niece and that's and it's like, um, and 159 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: that's what we know. At one point, there was allegedly 160 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: a woman who was a niece with them. The Goulds 161 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: had decided that roulette was going to be their game, 162 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,839 Speaker 1: and initially they actually did pretty well at it. But 163 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: luck always runs out, and soon they had lost what 164 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: they had initially won and more as they continued to 165 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: chase that luck. As they ran out of their funds 166 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: and then dropped into the red baron, Marie fell back 167 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: on their well practiced patterns and they decided to find 168 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 1: somebody with plenty of money that they could borrow from 169 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: to keep gambling. Enter Emma Erica Levin. She was Swedish 170 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: and was the widow of Leopold Levin, who had been 171 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: a stockbroker and had after very financially comfortable when he 172 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: died sixteen years into their marriage. When the Goulds met her, 173 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: she had been a widow for two years and she 174 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 1: had really taken to a life of enjoying her inheritance. 175 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: We're going to talk about the relationship between the Goulds 176 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: and Levin in just a moment, but first we will 177 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: pause for a sponsor break. Marie Gould made friends with Levin. 178 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: Like her husband, she could absolutely turn on the charm 179 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: when she wanted to win someone over, and Emma Levin 180 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: was actually pretty quickly one Emma and Marie became friends, 181 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,559 Speaker 1: and when Marie felt that they were comfortable enough making 182 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: their move, she asked Levin for a thousand francs. Levin 183 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: was generous with her friends, Marie was not the only 184 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: person she gave money to, and this led to some 185 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: friction as Marie tried to eliminate any other companions of 186 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: Levin's who might drain her marks coffers. There was another 187 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: woman who had befriended Levin named Madame Castellazzi, and Castellazzi 188 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: and Marie Gould did not like each other. As the 189 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: conflict between the two of them escalated, it really became 190 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: the talk of Monte Carlo and mL Levin was not 191 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: pleased at all to be at the center of that drama, 192 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 1: and she wanted to just remove herself from the situation 193 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: as quickly as possible. Her social reputation had started to 194 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: suffer from her association with the Goulds, and she was 195 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 1: trying to save what she had left of it. So 196 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: to that end, she began packing up and preparing to 197 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: leave Monte Carlo to return to Sweden. One piece of 198 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: business that Levin needed to handle before making her exit 199 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: was getting her money back from the Goulds. On August four, seven, 200 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: she went to their apartments to demand a repayment. She 201 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: was never seen alive again. After that meeting with Levin, 202 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 1: the Gould's abruptly left Monaco and they headed to Marseille 203 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: on August six. They intended to book passage on a 204 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:05,479 Speaker 1: ship back to the UK, and it was at Marseilles 205 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 1: on August six that a porter named Burrow was tasked 206 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: with handling a trunk belonging to the Goulds that they 207 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: needed to have forwarded to London, and he noticed that 208 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: the trunk smelled horrible. The road's boss, Luis Paul, passed 209 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: through the baggage room to inspect it after Borrowed had 210 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: moved the trunk there. He was in the habit of 211 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: making a pass through and double checking that all the 212 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: bags were accounted for and organized so that they could 213 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: be correctly routed to their next destination, and he noticed 214 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 1: that this bad smelling trunk was using a red liquid 215 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 1: from its underside. Pond noted the name and the destination 216 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: of the owners of the trunk from the luggage ticket, 217 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: and then he contacted Inspector Shaws dupin So, the baggage 218 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: room was inspected and the Goulds were contacted at their hotel. 219 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,199 Speaker 1: When Vere and Marie were questioned about this mystery trunk, 220 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: they claimed that they had put freshly slaughtered poultry in 221 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: their bags to take home. I have so many questions 222 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 1: about why that would be a good explanation. But when 223 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: the trunk was opened by police, Emma Levin's dismembered torso 224 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: was found inside. At the Gould's hotel, police discovered her 225 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 1: limbs and head in a valise. When the Goulds were 226 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: questioned about what had happened to m. E Leven, they 227 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: gave a bunch of different and kind of cockamami explanations. 228 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: An early version was that Levin's lover had burst into 229 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: the room while she was there and killed her and 230 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: then fled, And then the Goulds claimed they were trying 231 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,359 Speaker 1: to dispose of the body so they would not be implicated. 232 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: I have so many thoughts um As the couple was questioned, 233 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,559 Speaker 1: a post mortem examination of Levin's body was performed. There 234 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: were two stab wounds, evidence of blunt force trauma to 235 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: the head, and multiple contusions on her face. Levin's abdomen 236 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: had been cut open and some of the viscera had 237 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: been removed. The coroner believed that the stabbing had been 238 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: the cause of death and that the intestines had been 239 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: removed to slow decomposition as the couple attempted to transport 240 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: the body elsewhere for disposal per French law. At this time, 241 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: the investigation and trial were kind of concurrent happenings. Magistrate 242 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: was assigned as soon as the crime came up and 243 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: was reviewing things and conferring with police throughout the investigation. 244 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: Because court activities were a matter of public knowledge, this 245 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: meant that the papers could cover the murder investigation as 246 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: it was carried out, and any evidence introduced into court 247 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: became available to journalists. This is such a wild concept 248 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: to me, Like, could you imagine if every time police 249 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: uncovered a clue it just got reported everywhere instantly, Like 250 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: it's so um, it's such a strange idea. And immediately 251 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: though this story was, as you might suspect picked up 252 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: by the press and it was broadcast all over the globe. 253 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: The grizzly nature of the discovery and the connection to 254 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: well just proved irresistible to readers on August nine, so 255 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: just a few days after this whole thing started seven, 256 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: The New York Times ran an article titled alleged murderer, 257 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: Maybe a Baronet, which noted, quote, the finding of the 258 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: dismembered body of a woman at Marseilles has created a 259 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: sensation here where the Goulds were regarded as persons of 260 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: leisure and respectability. Seemingly instantly, stories were popping up featuring 261 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: interviews with people who had known the Goulds. On August ten, 262 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: an account from a Miss Charlotte Shrans of Ottawa was 263 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: in the US papers. Shrans had worked for the Ghouls 264 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: when they lived in Montreal. She was very willing to 265 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: talk to reporters, and according to her, the dressmaking business 266 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: continued after the Gould's left Montreal, but managed by another woman, 267 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: and it was operating in a deep debt. Their gould was, 268 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: according to Ms. Shran's, a heavy drinker with a gambling problem, 269 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: and he showed poor judgment in his business. She told 270 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: reporters that his millenary business had failed. It came out 271 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: in that same interview that when the Gould's left Montreal, 272 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: they had claimed that Vere's older brother had died and 273 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: that Vere was going to inherit the baronet title. That 274 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: was not true. His brother James Stephen Gould, was very 275 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: much alive, although he lived in Australia, he did not 276 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: use his title. The New York Times later printed that 277 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: James had quote carefully hidden his identity, owing to his 278 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: distaste for a title and his lack of means to 279 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: support one. When Vere and Marie became headline news, James, 280 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: who was well respected in his community in Australia, was 281 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: said to deplore quote the discovery of his identity. At 282 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: that point, James and Vere had not really even seen 283 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: each other since they were children, and they had not 284 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: really kept in touch there, and Marie had made it 285 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: seem as though they were traveling to London to handle 286 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: the business of the title inheritance, but would return to 287 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: Canada shortly. No one in Montreal saw them again for 288 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: two years, though, during which they were apparently moving around Europe. 289 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 1: During that time, Charlotte Shrans was expected to send them 290 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:13,239 Speaker 1: money from business accounts to cover their expenses. When the 291 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: Goulds did finally return to Montreal only temporarily, Shrans had 292 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: tendered her resignation and management of the shop turned over 293 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 1: to the woman that was mentioned but unnamed in the 294 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: interview and only described as being French. During her brief 295 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 1: interactions with Marie and Vire while they were back in Canada, 296 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 1: Shrans said that she learned that there had been working 297 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: out a system to break the bank in Monte Carlo 298 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 1: playing Roulette. That woman that was not named by Charlotte 299 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 1: Shrands was Madame Samuel LeDuc. She was also interviewed for 300 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: an article that appeared in the Montreal paper The Gazette. 301 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: Mrs LeDuc was described as quote looth to think they 302 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: would be guilty of such a crime as that with 303 00:17:56,320 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: which they are charged. When the murder story main had line, 304 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: she was a bit confused. She had been under the 305 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: impression that Mrs Gould had died the year before, so 306 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: she doubted that it could be the same woman, particularly 307 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 1: because she had always found the Goulds to be quote 308 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 1: honorable and respectable. The article that featured statements from Madame 309 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 1: Luduc mentioned that their Gould had not had success in 310 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: business when he lived in Montreal and that quote for 311 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 1: years had not actively been involved in business pursuits. At 312 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: this point, investigators believed that there and Marie had murdered 313 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: Emma Levin when she told them she needed her money back. 314 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: Then they had dismembered her body and taken her jewelry, 315 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 1: which was estimated to be worth a hundred and twenty 316 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: five thousand francs. The Goulds were still trying to pitch 317 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: the idea that another party had killed Levin, and they 318 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: were stuck in the middle and afraid of being blamed. 319 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: They claimed that the guilty party was a man named Barrett, 320 00:18:55,760 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: who was arrested, questioned, and then released. The Gould story 321 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: obviously did not hold water, and soon they told a 322 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 1: different version of what happened in their apartment on the 323 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: night that m. E. Levin died. But before we get 324 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: into that version, we will take a quick sponsor break. 325 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: On August, the Gould story about Levin's death changed their 326 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: Gould confessed to the murder, but he was very insistent 327 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: that his wife Marie had nothing to do with killing 328 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: Emma Levin, although she had helped him, he said, pack 329 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: the body in the trunk. According to the new version 330 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 1: confessed to the examining magistrate, Gould said that Levin had 331 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 1: come to him and asked for a hundred dollars to 332 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: give to a young man that Mrs Levin was possibly 333 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: romantically involved with. Gould said that he had refused, and 334 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,439 Speaker 1: that Levin had attacked him. At that point. According to 335 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: his story, he flew into a rage and kill to her. 336 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 1: His exact statement, as it was relayed to the press 337 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: by the court, was quote, I had been drinking and 338 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 1: becoming angry. I seized a hunting knife and buried it 339 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: in Emma's back. She fell dead the next day. I 340 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: dismembered the body with a saw and a knife and 341 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: placed the torso in a trunk on the head and 342 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 1: legs and a las. I stabbed the woman only once. 343 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,640 Speaker 1: The other wounds on her body must have been caused 344 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 1: by shaking around in the trunk. Marie corroborated this story mostly. 345 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 1: She said that Emma Levin had asked for a hundred 346 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 1: dollars and then wanted a hundred more for a man friend, 347 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,360 Speaker 1: and it was then that there refused her. She corroborated 348 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: every other aspect of their story, including the claim that 349 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: they had taken Emma Levin's jewelry not to sell it, 350 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 1: but so that it would not be discovered in their apartments. 351 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:57,199 Speaker 1: Another version of the story emerged later. Gould still acknowledged 352 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: responsibility for Levin's death, but he said that they had 353 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 1: planned to knock her unconscious and take her jewelry, and 354 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:07,959 Speaker 1: this version, instead of filling unconscious, she screamed, and it 355 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 1: was then that she was killed to silence her. On 356 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 1: August fourteenth, seven, the Boston Globe reported the latest developments 357 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: under the headline killed her in a fit of anger. 358 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: It reviewed all of the newly established details of the case, 359 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: and then at the bottom of the article a brief 360 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:31,880 Speaker 1: additional segment was listed under a subheader of reported a suicide, 361 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: and that read quote in a dispatch from Marseilles, a 362 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,959 Speaker 1: correspondent of the Telegraph says that vere Saint Leger Gould, 363 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 1: the confessed murderer of m e Leven, has hanged himself 364 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 1: in prison. This was not the only paper to run 365 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: that news. It showed up in print across Europe and 366 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 1: the US, but that seems to have been incorrectly reported. Gould, 367 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: it seems, was in a state of mental breakdown, so 368 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: it's possible that he did attempt to hang himself but failed. 369 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 1: A story in the New York Times dated August seventeen, 370 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: so that was three days after the report that he 371 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 1: had hanged himself, described additional behaviors that suggests that their 372 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: st ledgerg Gould was in the middle of a breakdown. Quote. 373 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: Last night, Gould suddenly jumped out of bed, hammered frantically 374 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:21,360 Speaker 1: at the door, and clamored for help against imaginary enemies, who, 375 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 1: he said, We're trying to cut off his legs and 376 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: put him in a sack. This morning, when he was 377 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: allowed to see his lawyer, he was seized with another 378 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: fit of fury and attacked his visitor with his fists. 379 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 1: The lawyer now declines to see his client again. Gould's 380 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: condition will be used in his trial in support of 381 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: a plea that he is a madman. On August seventeen, 382 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: The New York Times reported that police in France thought 383 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: Gould's confession was kind of dodgy, just like every other 384 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: explanation he and Marie had given for how they ended 385 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: up with a woman's dead and dismembered body in their luggage. 386 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,080 Speaker 1: According to The New York Times right up quote, this 387 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: version is considered unconvincing. This article goes on to break 388 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 1: down all of the points of the story as told 389 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: by the Goulds. That just made no sense. Number one, 390 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:14,120 Speaker 1: Mrs Gould said that she had been quote in neglige 391 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: costume and so she left there and m e Leven alone. 392 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: But Mrs Levin had visited them at tea time, which 393 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: is five pm, and had an invitation, so this wasn't 394 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 1: a surprise visit. There was no reason that Mrs Gould 395 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: should have been unfit for visitors. Number two Marie had 396 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: told the court that she freaked out when she saw 397 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 1: the body, but witnesses had spotted her on the balcony 398 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: apparently quite calm, just a few minutes after m. E 399 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: Leven's voice had been heard for the last time. And 400 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: number three M eleven would have no reason to borrow 401 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: money from the Goulds. She had just paid for her 402 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: hotel bill. She had plenty of valuables on hand that 403 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: she could have liquidated if she actually needed quick cash. 404 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: The Goulds, on the other hand, were broke. That particular 405 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 1: write up goes on to state that a popular theory 406 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 1: with the prosecution was that Mrs Gould was the actual 407 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 1: mastermind of the entire crime. It also managed to get 408 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: in a little kind of gross victim blaming along the Way, 409 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: writing of M. E. Leven quote, the victim herself was 410 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: one of the most singular personalities of the affair. She 411 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: belonged to a class of women who, though quite respectable, 412 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: loved to be regarded as Demi Mondn. She gambled at 413 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 1: the Monte Carlo casino beyond her means, and often remained 414 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: in a well known cafe until two o'clock in the morning. 415 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 1: Friends repeatedly warned her against making promiscuous acquaintances, but the 416 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 1: attraction of appearing to live a dissipated life proved too 417 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: strong for her. On December seven, the verdicts were handed down. 418 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,199 Speaker 1: Both of the Goulds were found guilty. Marie got the 419 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: steeper sentence. The New York Times reported quote, the court 420 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 1: found that Mrs Gould was the chief instigator of the crime, 421 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: sentenced turned to death by guillotine. Mr Gould was held 422 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: less responsible by reason of his being under the influence 423 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: of liquor at the time the murder was committed, and 424 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: he was sentenced to imprisonment for life. An article that 425 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 1: was called a Special Cable to The New York Times 426 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: told the story of the trial's conclusion under the headline 427 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 1: Monte Carlo angry with the Goulds. Yes, the angle of 428 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: this particular article was that the resort of Monte Carlo 429 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: had been put out by this whole business because it 430 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: quote has not known such a criminal trial. And years 431 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 1: now and then an Italian workman has appeared in court 432 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: for stabbing a companion, or an occasional English or American 433 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 1: black leg has been hustled over the border. But such 434 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: a trial for such a crime is entirely out of place, 435 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: especially now when the fashionable season is just beginning. The 436 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 1: entire article reflects the biases of the journalists and the court, 437 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: and presumably money Carlow's wealthy patrons that led to the 438 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:07,679 Speaker 1: verdicts and the sentencing. Marie Violet Gerald Dan Gould emerges 439 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: as the clear villain, clearly not a tennis star born 440 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 1: into a good family. Because the judges gave Mrs Gould 441 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,479 Speaker 1: a death sentence, everyone saw it as evidence that the 442 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: court believed that their st leger Gould had quote committed 443 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 1: the crime through hypnotic suggestion. The write up explains that 444 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: four different doctors found there not to be in his 445 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: right mind, all believed that he had been dominated by 446 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 1: and pushed into committing the murder by his wife of Marie. 447 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 1: The unnamed journalist wrote quote, Mrs Gould is one of 448 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: the ugliest women I ever saw. In contrast to her 449 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: dilettante husband. She appeared altogether course and vulgar. Monaco was 450 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:56,360 Speaker 1: apparently additionally irritated because while a death sentence had been issued, 451 00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,439 Speaker 1: there was no guillotine or executioner in the municipality to 452 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: carry it out. There were already calls to have her 453 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: sentence changed to life in prison, just so she could 454 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 1: be shipped somewhere else and no longer be a burden 455 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: on the playground of the wealthy. In February nineteen o eight, 456 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: Monte Carlo got its wish. Marie Violet gould sentence was 457 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,959 Speaker 1: commuted from death to life in prison. Marie was imprisoned 458 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:26,159 Speaker 1: in Montpellier, and after being incarcerated briefly in France, Very 459 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: was sent to Devil's Island in French Guiana, and he 460 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 1: did die by suicide, as had been reported in nineteen 461 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: o seven, although this was not until September eight, nineteen 462 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,400 Speaker 1: o nine. This was less than a year after having 463 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:43,360 Speaker 1: been imprisoned at the penal colony of Cayenne. If you 464 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: recall our episodes on the Dreyfus affair, you may remember 465 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,719 Speaker 1: that Alfred Dreyfus had also been imprisoned on Devil's Island. 466 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: Dreyfus wrote in his book Five Years of My Life 467 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,919 Speaker 1: that he thought his life might end by suicide quote, 468 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: to escape from insanity during is incarceration there. When Gould's 469 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 1: death his actual death was announced, it ran in many 470 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: papers as a syndicated blurb that once again included incorrect information. 471 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 1: This time it said that quote his wife, who was 472 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 1: transported with him, died at Cayenne in July of typhoid fever, 473 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 1: though there had been reports that Marie had died before 474 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: her husband their The final mention of her demise was 475 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: actually published in multiple papers several years later, in January 476 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: nineteen fourteen, though as you will see, that also has 477 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,479 Speaker 1: incorrect information. It was written up as quote, Mrs Gould, 478 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: the American who was concerned in the notorious trunk murder 479 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: at Monte Carlo in nineteen o seven, has died in 480 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: the Montpellier prison. Her husband was executed in nineteen o nine, 481 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: so Marie had served just six years for the murder 482 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: of m eleven before her death this story. I have 483 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: many things about it that make me angry. Sure, I mean, 484 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: which we can talk about in our behind the scenes. 485 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: Because this is a gruesome one that is frustrating in 486 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: many ways, I wanted to end on a funny one 487 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: that has my own funny addendum in terms of what 488 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: our listener mail is. This is from our listener Jenna, 489 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: who says you made me order a caesar salad at 490 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: one am Oh, I'd love this one. I do too, uh, 491 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: for very specific personal reasons. I also love it Jenner Rights. 492 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: Hey ladies, thanks as always for your awesome podcast. I 493 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: love it and recommend it to anyone asking for entertaining 494 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,479 Speaker 1: and educational podcasts. And I used the interviews to make 495 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: lists of books to get for my dad. I just 496 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: wanted to drop a quick, hopefully fun note about the 497 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: recent eponymous Foods episode. I love caesar salad and got 498 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: such a strong craving for it while listening to the 499 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: episode late at night. I'm a night owl that I 500 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 1: ordered some at around one in the morning since I 501 00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,479 Speaker 1: didn't have any fresh salad ingredients in the house. Growing up, 502 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: I loved lettuce to the point where sometimes my veggie 503 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: for a meal would just be half ahead of plain Iceberg, 504 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: making caesar salads perfect for me. I don't know when 505 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: I was first introduced, but needless to say, I quickly 506 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: became obsessed. There's nothing sadder for me than getting food 507 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 1: from an Italian or pizza place and their salads only 508 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: come in family sizes when I can't justify the cost 509 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: of that along with whatever else I'm getting. Anyway, I 510 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: hope that makes hell smile. I'm off to enjoy my salad. 511 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: Now attached as also a kiddie tax. These are my 512 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: bub's angus and aria. Uh oh, Jenna, how I feel 513 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: you uh because one. Thank you for writing this. It's 514 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: very funny and I appreciate a late night salad. I 515 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: have also always loved caesar salads. I think I said 516 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: so either in the episode of the Behind the Scenes, 517 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: but something about that episode has triggered a weird behavior 518 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: I have not had since I was a kid, which 519 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 1: is like when I was a kid, and I may 520 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: have mentioned this on the show before, I would get 521 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: obsessed with only eating certain foods, like I ain't nothing 522 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: but smart berry crunch for several years, I wanted only 523 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: cheese and bread. After I read Heidi like I just 524 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: I have eaten more caesar salads in the last month 525 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: and a half since starting on that. I have one 526 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 1: every day for breakfast right now, and that's been going 527 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:22,959 Speaker 1: on for over a month. Great. It's a great breakfast. 528 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: I love it because it's refreshing and delicious, but also 529 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: you get some I put I put chicken on mine, 530 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: sorry Caesar cardini. Um. And it's just the perfect start 531 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: to the days. Caesar salad. So I feel you. I'm obsessed, 532 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: obsessed that. Um. That episode came out while I was 533 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 1: traveling for my anniversary, and everywhere we went, I was like, 534 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: do they have a caesar salad on the menu? Do 535 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: they have a seedar salady? Yeah? I really need that. 536 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: It's gotta happen. It's caesar salad. There are worse things 537 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: to become obsessed with, that's for sure. If you would 538 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: like to write to us about whatever food we accidentally 539 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: made you eat, or anything else, you could do so 540 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,239 Speaker 1: at History Podcast at iHeart radio dot com. You can 541 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: also find us on social media as missed in History, 542 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: And if you would like to subscribe and you haven't 543 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: gotten around to it yet, you can do that as well. 544 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: On the I Heart radio app, or wherever you listen 545 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: to your favorite podcasts. 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