1 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: Welcome into the lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Ink 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 1: here with Garrett Downing and we're going to give you 3 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: our biggest takeaways from the Combine press conferences held today 4 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 1: by Ericdcosta and John Harball. So, Garrett a lot to 5 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: come out of the Combine, a variety of different subjects. Garrett, 6 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:27,479 Speaker 1: by the way, is in Indianapolis right now, and let's 7 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: start here, Garrett. Ronnie Stanley certainly at the top of 8 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 1: the Ravens free agency list, one of the top free 9 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: agents in the NFL. The Ravens don't have a lot 10 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 1: of salary cap space, only about ten million dollars less 11 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: than of effective cap space. But a big takeaway from 12 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: today was the optimism that Eric DeCosta and John Harball 13 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: both had about retaining Ronnie Stanley. 14 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, it certainly sounds like Ronnie's time in Baltimore could continue. 15 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 2: Eric to Costa used that word. He said he's optimistic 16 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 2: about getting a deal done, and John Harbough indicated the 17 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 2: same thing that the Ravens they want to get, they 18 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 2: want to keep Ronnie. He's coming off a Pro Bowl season. 19 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 2: This is a guy who has been in Baltimore his 20 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 2: entire career was a six overall pick, has played at 21 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 2: a really high level. Then he dealt with injuries and 22 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 2: was on and off the field and really struggled for 23 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 2: a period of years there. But then last year he 24 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 2: came back and he was healthy all season long, didn't 25 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 2: miss a practice, didn't miss a game, and returned to 26 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 2: Pro Bowl form, and he played at a level that 27 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 2: says like, this is what he's capable of, And I 28 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 2: think he could even he can probably even Like the 29 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 2: health was a huge thing, and once he's on the field, 30 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 2: he was great, and so I think he could even 31 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 2: probably take it up even another notch a little bit 32 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 2: and just continue doing that. And so I thought it 33 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 2: was a great year from Ronnie. And I think that 34 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 2: there's certainly a possibility that the Ravens work out an 35 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 2: extension with him. Like what does that look like? Yeah, sorry, 36 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 2: it's not an extension. He's he's going to be a 37 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 2: free agent in March if the Ravens don't work out 38 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 2: a new deal with him. Yeah, And so it did. 39 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 2: And sometimes, like I will say, if you go back 40 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 2: and you look at past press conferences, there's times where 41 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 2: the Ravens will say things at this time of the year, like, hey, 42 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 2: we're going to see him go out there and test 43 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 2: free agency. Eric Costa said that about Brandon Stevens previously. 44 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 2: He said he could go out there and test the 45 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 2: free agent market and we'll see what the market holes 46 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 2: for him, and then we'll go from there. But so 47 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 2: they can kind of be My point is they can 48 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 2: kind of be truthful when it comes to these conversations 49 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 2: at this time of the year, and so to indicate 50 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 2: that they're optimistic about bringing back Ronnie, I think is 51 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 2: an indication that that could actually happen. 52 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 1: Well, John Harbaugh went beyond that. He said, I think 53 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: that we will probably keep Ronnie. You know, it was 54 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: like a prediction, you know, and then he added that 55 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: I'm hopeful that we will. But yeah, it was pretty 56 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: strong about Ronnie. And part of it is because, like 57 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: you mentioned, this goes this relationship goes all the way 58 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: back to twenty sixteen, and Eric to Costa talked about 59 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: how he has a very good relationship with Ronnie and 60 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: even Ronnie's agent. Eric Costa said that he's meeting with 61 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 1: Ronnie's agent at the Combine. 62 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 3: YEP, so they're gonna they're gonna start working on this. 63 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: Already, and I think that that relationship, it's just it's 64 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: just works for both sides. 65 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 3: You know. 66 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: The Ronnie's played at a high level, The Ravens rewarded 67 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: him with a really lucrative contract, he suffered an injury, 68 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 1: the Ravens stayed with him, you know, and he kind 69 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: of came back. The Ravens, uh, you know, reportedly reworked 70 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: his deal last year so that they could keep this going, 71 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: and Ronnie rewarded them with really good play. And so 72 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: it's just kind of there's a there's a relationship there, 73 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: and I think that that's part of the reason why 74 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: they're optimistic. 75 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 3: That doesn't mean it definitely will happen. 76 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: You know, these left tackles, especially when you're the top 77 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: at your position going into the free agency, like you 78 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: get paid and like we said, the Ravens don't have 79 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: a lot of salary cap space. Ronnie Stanley's gonna get 80 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: a lot of money one way or the other. So 81 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: it's one of those situations like how much is another 82 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: team willing to give Ronnie and does he find that, 83 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: you know, is it is it a lot more than 84 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: the Ravens can give him, or is it a little 85 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: bit more right, you know, so we don't know what 86 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: it's gonna hold, but on on to kind of roll 87 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: it forward if they don't resign Ronnie Stanley, Well just 88 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: just just real quick. 89 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 2: Before we talk about if they don't resign him. I 90 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 2: did talk to Tom Pellisero here at the Combine from 91 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 2: the NFL network's really plugged in to what's happening and 92 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 2: these types of conversations, and he made the point with 93 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 2: Ronnie that like he's got to get paid big time. 94 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 2: He's he's definitely gonna He's one of the premier free 95 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 2: agents on the market this year. And so it's not 96 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 2: just like. 97 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 1: In a market that's like considered particularly thin, like the 98 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: free agent market is not great. 99 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 3: That's those are the reports out there. 100 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 1: So then that when team's got to have money to spend, 101 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 1: if there's not a lot of options to spend it on, 102 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: you get even some bigger you know, some bigger deals done. 103 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so it could be an uphill battle in 104 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 2: that sense. I think that if you were to ask 105 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 2: just like take the money out of the equation and 106 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 2: ask both Ronnie and the Ravens, like do you want 107 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 2: this thing to continue? I think the answer for both 108 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 2: of them is an emphatic yes, and like that's a 109 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 2: good starting point. Now, of course, the money is no 110 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 2: small piece of the equation, but I think that both 111 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 2: of them would like to see this relationship continue. And 112 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 2: so like that question becomes, what does the contract look like? 113 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 2: Are you talking like a two year, forty million dollar contract. 114 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 2: Are we talking about a deal similar to what he 115 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 2: got back in twenty twenty where he signed a five year, 116 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty million dollar contract exactly If it's 117 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 2: If it's that, well, then that might be a little 118 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 2: bit more challenging. But if you're talking about a short ish, 119 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 2: short to medium term deal that's in that two to 120 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 2: three year range for around twenty million, then maybe the 121 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 2: Ravens can find a way to make that work. Right. 122 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 3: I think that's a good point. 123 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: And the Ravens are a team that, no, they've obviously 124 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 1: been through it with Ronnie and his injuries and whatnot. 125 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 1: And are they willing at this point to commit to 126 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: another five year deal. I don't know, whereas maybe another 127 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: team says, who hasn't been through that? It says, yeah, 128 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:08,039 Speaker 1: you know, this guy was at the top of the 129 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: game of the game last year. We're willing to commit long, 130 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: long term, So I don't know. 131 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, And as you started down this road, but if 132 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 2: he were to leave, so what are the Ravens' options? Well, 133 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 2: John Harbaugh, while saying that he thinks they'll keep Ronnie, 134 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 2: he also made the point that he's got total confidence 135 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 2: to Roger Roseenguard's ability to go play the left side. 136 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 2: Basically before the reporter even finished asking the question like, 137 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 2: do you think Roger could do that, Harbaugh almost got 138 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 2: him off, was like, oh yeah, like absolutely absolutely, he 139 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 2: could do that. And we've talked about this before a 140 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,679 Speaker 2: number of times that I think that he is somebody 141 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 2: who I think that he has that flexibility and he 142 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 2: also has the confidence that he can move from the 143 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 2: right side to the left side. And I think he 144 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 2: showed a lot of people just how good he is 145 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 2: as a rookie. So he's the most Like, if the 146 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 2: Ravens don't keep Stanley, then the most likely candidate, in 147 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 2: my mind, is that it's Roger. He just slides over 148 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 2: to the left side, and the Rams are looking for 149 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 2: a right tackle, either in free agency or the draft. 150 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it's beyond confidence. He has a 151 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: work ethic, he has a talent to play left tackle 152 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: like he can do it. Eric cousin John Harball both 153 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: field that way. So I think they feel good about 154 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: what happens about the future at left tackle. 155 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 3: Regardless. 156 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: They'd like to keep Ronnie, that's the aim, but they 157 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: know that it's not a slam dunk. You can't say 158 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: for one hundred percent sure that he's going to stay, 159 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: and if he doesn't, then they feel good about where 160 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: they stand there. 161 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 2: Yep, totally. The other big topic of conversation during the 162 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 2: press conferences for both Eric Cossa and John Harball was 163 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 2: justin Tucker. This was the first time that they've talked 164 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 2: in a press conference setting since those allegations came out 165 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 2: this offseason, and they addressed that, and Tacosta said that 166 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 2: the NFL is investigating it. He has talked with investigators 167 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 2: from the NFL. No timetable on when that conversation, when 168 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 2: that investigation is going to be done, but the Ravens 169 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 2: are The quote from DaCosta on the league investigation is 170 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 2: I think we're fortunate the league is doing an investigation, 171 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 2: will wait as patiently as we can for as much 172 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 2: information as we can, will make our decisions based on 173 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 2: that Takasa also said that the allegations are serious, concerning 174 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 2: and the out of allegations are serious and concerning. So 175 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 2: this again, this is the first time that they have 176 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 2: been asked about it, and they are letting the investigation 177 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 2: play out from the NFL and then once that's concluded 178 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 2: and they have all that information, they will make their 179 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 2: decisions from there on what to do. 180 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: Ravens also said that they are going to be evaluating 181 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: kickers in this year's draft, and they're fortunate enough to 182 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: have Randy Brown. He's one of the best in the 183 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: business at evaluating specialists. And John Harwell said, I always 184 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: expected Tucker to keep going forever, but nobody goes forever, 185 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 1: so just like every position, they will be doing their 186 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: due diligence and kicker is among them. 187 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 2: So then beyond the Tucker front, there was lots of 188 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 2: conversations just about free agency in general and when it 189 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 2: comes to whether the Ravens are active in that market. 190 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 2: Eric Tacosta talked about he went back through the Ravens 191 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 2: history and made the point that they're not typically a 192 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 2: team that spends massive money in free agency. They're tight 193 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 2: against a salary cap this year, as they always are 194 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 2: when we have these conversations at the combine, we talk 195 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 2: about how the team is pressed tight against a salary cap. 196 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 2: It's just the way that they tend to operate. When 197 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 2: you have good players, you pay otherose good players, you 198 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 2: pay an MVP level quarterback, you're tight against the salary cap. 199 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 2: That's just the world that you live in. And so 200 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 2: you talked about trying to shake out the couch coaches 201 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,079 Speaker 2: to find any spare change in there that the Ravens 202 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 2: can use a free agency, but did not indicate that 203 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 2: the Ravens are going to be in a position to 204 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 2: make any kind of big splash in free agency. Yeah. 205 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like we go through this every 206 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: single offseason. There's the names that come out of free 207 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: agents that are available, or players you could trade for, 208 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: and the Miles Garretts of the world that everybody's talking about. 209 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: And the reality of the situation is the Ravens draft 210 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: too many good players. 211 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 3: You know, it's a real problem around here. You just 212 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 3: you nail it in the draft. 213 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:06,559 Speaker 1: You got a big problem because then you got to 214 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 1: pay those guys eventually if you want to keep them. 215 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 3: And and that's what the Ravens have done. 216 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: You know, they paid Lamar Jackson, they've paid Nomni Madebik, 217 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:17,199 Speaker 1: they paid Marlon Humphrey. You know, they've they acquired Roquan 218 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: Smith and paid him. And you know, when you when 219 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: you pay your Odafe Oway, you know, the list goes on, 220 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: you know, and so when you pay your own guys, 221 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: and then oh, by the way, you have more coming 222 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: down the road here in Kyle Hamilton, Tyler Linderbaum, after 223 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: say Flowers, you know eventually, and so when you have 224 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 1: so many good players already in house that you want 225 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: to pay, it just doesn't leave much to go out 226 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: there and get guys. So the Ravens end up, you know, 227 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: looking for good value free agents. They they nailed it 228 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 1: last year with Derrick Henry, right like high return on 229 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: investment with Derrick Henry, and beyond that, you know there's 230 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: been players that signed even you know, cheaper deals than 231 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: Derrick Henry that really pick kyleve Noy really paid off. 232 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: You know, you can go on and on and on 233 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: on that list. And so that's where the Ravens are 234 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: again this year. Like Eric Cossi even said, you know, 235 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 1: we'll be pursuing venom veteran minimum contracts like that's what 236 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: we're exploring, and where can we find value on some 237 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: of these less expensive deals in free agency to kind 238 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: of you know, you can find really impactful players. I 239 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: mean the Justice Hill extension right, like that was not 240 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: a big time deal, but look at the impact that 241 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: Justice Hill had on this team last year. 242 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 2: The interesting thing about it is like I get that 243 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 2: the Ravens aren't going to probably sign anybody to one 244 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,199 Speaker 2: hundred million dollar contract and free agency from another team, 245 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 2: but they have made splashes. That's kind of the irony. 246 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 2: Like Dereck Henry again, I know he was he was 247 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 2: in that second tier somehow of running backs, ca Saquon 248 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 2: got the big contract and so he went after he 249 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 2: went after Saquon and Josh Shacobs even but like he 250 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 2: was a pretty big splash. This is a Hall of 251 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,559 Speaker 2: Fame running back and coming off a big season who 252 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 2: then obviously had a monster year Baltimore. 253 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: Well, it's not usually like guys that are getting their 254 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 1: second contract. 255 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 2: It's not, for example, it's not typically, but they have 256 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 2: done that. 257 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:08,559 Speaker 3: Marks Williams was that. 258 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 2: Williams falls into that category. And you know that was 259 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 2: before Tamar Jackson's contract was done. So like a little 260 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:16,839 Speaker 2: bit of a different time, So I don't expect that 261 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 2: type of a deal, But like the Ravens have made 262 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 2: really shrewd signings of course, and I think that I 263 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 2: think that they'll continue to look for the sweet spot 264 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 2: of finding players like van Ney or Clowning from the 265 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,599 Speaker 2: year before, Ronald Darby from the year before, like the 266 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 2: players who can come in at lower contracts and be 267 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 2: really productive, high quality players, Like they've got a good 268 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 2: track record or really good track record of doing that. 269 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: And that's the world that they're shopping in. Yes, this offseason, 270 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: that's what's clear. Especially, I mean, if you resigned Ronnie Stanley, 271 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: that nearly ten million dollars of salary cap space that 272 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: you have right now gets gone up mighty quick. Yeah, yeah, exactly. 273 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: So you know, we talked about how optimistic they feel 274 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: about that. If they can get that done, then there's 275 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: really not much Then you're really looking at veteran minimum 276 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: deals and you might need to really turn over that couch. 277 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: You might need to turn that thing upside down to 278 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: get all the change out of it. 279 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 3: So you know, like I just think that. 280 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: That's that's the world, that's the sandbox that they're playing in. 281 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 3: This year. 282 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, And on Derrick Henry, I did ask Eric about 283 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 2: because Derek recently made the point that he wants to 284 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 2: retire raven and so there's been talk of whether they 285 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 2: could add another year or something onto his contract. He 286 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:34,719 Speaker 2: signed a two year deal with the Ravens last year, 287 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,199 Speaker 2: so he's going into another Uh, he's going into the 288 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 2: last year of his contract. And Eric made the point, Well, 289 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 2: I got a Derek Henry picture on my wall that's 290 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 2: going up right now in my office, So that gives 291 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 2: just some kind of an indication of what we think 292 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 2: about Derek and the possibility of having him here for 293 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 2: a while. So I think that the kind of, like 294 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 2: I said with Ronnie, these two so it's a different situation. 295 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 2: Ronnie's gonna be free agent, Derek on a contract for 296 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 2: the so it's different in that sense. But I think 297 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 2: that it certainly could be a relationship that extends me 298 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 2: on this year. And Derek, as he approved this year, 299 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 2: still has plenty of gas left in the tank. 300 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: Well, and that's one way to potentially save a little 301 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 1: bit money of money on this year's salary cap. You know, 302 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: if you extend Derek, then you can kind of flatten 303 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: that number a little bit more and find out, you know, 304 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: as they said, they're looking for every bit that they 305 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: can get set. That would be one potential way. 306 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, so let's take a quick break and 307 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 2: then when we come back, we'll dive into some of 308 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 2: the other big notes and takeaways from today's presser. You're 309 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 2: listening to the launch podcast. We're coming to you from 310 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 2: the Sea Geek Studio. We also want to mention our 311 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 2: partners at Draft King Sportsbook. They are an official sports 312 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 2: betting partner of the Baltimore Ravens Draft King Sportsbook. The 313 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 2: Crown is yours. So another topic in Eric the Costa's 314 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 2: press conference was Mark Andrews. Tacosta was asked about him 315 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 2: and he's going into the last year of his contract. 316 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 2: All three of the Ravens tight ends, Mark Andrews, Isaiah Likely, 317 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 2: and Charlie Kohler are all going into the final year 318 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 2: of their contracts, and specifically, as it relates to Andrews, 319 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 2: he was asked about basically if they planned how they 320 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 2: plan to handle that. He's got a big cap hit 321 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 2: this year and would you extend him. That's like, we're 322 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 2: just the four. 323 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: He has the fourth highest salary cap pit on the 324 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: team this year. Just to be clear about about it, 325 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: he has the fourth highest salary cap hit on the 326 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: team and it's about sixteen point nine million dollars according 327 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: to the spot track. 328 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 3: And so. 329 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 2: You just like the conversation we were having with Derek Kennery, 330 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 2: you could flatten that cap by extending Mark Andrews and 331 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 2: rolling that out over the course of the next couple 332 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 2: of years. That's one way to do that. Of course, 333 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 2: you could just let it play out, and he played 334 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 2: this year under the salary cap. And when talking about it, 335 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 2: Da Costa made the point that over the next few weeks, 336 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 2: we'll look at all the different different roster machinations, machinations. 337 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 3: I mean, you're to get that to screw it up. 338 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 2: We'll look at all of that and figure out how 339 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 2: they want to approach that and how they want to 340 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 2: handle it With Andrews. 341 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think there's you know, there's definitely 342 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: a huge amount of respect there. 343 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 3: You know. 344 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: Eric Ticostis said, you know, one day, this guy's going 345 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: to go in the Ravens Ring of Honor, and the 346 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: Ravens feel like he's going to have an awesome twenty 347 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: twenty five season. And so you know the player, the 348 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: person that Mark Andrews is like, there's Erictastas said to himself, 349 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: there's no bigger fan of Mark Andrews than me. So 350 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: the Ravens respect for Mark Andrews is is very clear. 351 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: But he has this huge salary cap hitting. You know, 352 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: we'll see whether they feel like something needs to be done. 353 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 2: There, right and then as we continue look into the 354 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 2: offensive line, we talked a lot about it in relation 355 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 2: to Ronnie Stanley. Pat McCarey is also a free agent, 356 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 2: and you know he's so he's poised to hit the 357 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 2: market starting left guard and also basically backup of every 358 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 2: spot along the offensive line. I did talk to John 359 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 2: Harbaugh and he said he hopes that the Ravens were 360 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 2: able to keep both Ronnie and Pat. Now, that would 361 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 2: be tough to figure that out from a salary cap standpoint, 362 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 2: but he indicated that there's hope that the Ravens could 363 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 2: find a way to keep both those guys. He'd be 364 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 2: very happy if that were the case. But if McCarry 365 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 2: were to leave, then that opens up the left guard spot. 366 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 2: Andrew Vorhees actually won that job out of training camp 367 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 2: last year because mcarry opened the season as a starting 368 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 2: right tackle. So then Forhes got hurt and then mcarry 369 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 2: slip switched from right tackle to left guard as Rose 370 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 2: Garden stepped in at right tackle and the Ravens just 371 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 2: rode that offensive line the rest of the year. But 372 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 2: the Ravens have confidence before he is, and John Harbaugh 373 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 2: really spoke pretty highly about him and his ability what 374 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 2: he showed in practice, like, the Ravens are confident in 375 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 2: vorehees if he needs to step back into the starting 376 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 2: lineup this year. 377 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, it felt like he got better. You know as 378 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 1: the season went on. We didn't see a lot of 379 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: them because of that early injury and then being replaced 380 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: by McCarry, But in practice, John Harwall said he was 381 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 1: playing really well and he had some spot duty late 382 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 1: in the year and they just felt like, you know, 383 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: he continued to develop. And so this is the player 384 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: that I think they've really had high hopes for all along. 385 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 3: Big dude. 386 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: You look at him physically, you're like, yes, I mean, gosh, 387 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: you flash back to two years ago at the combine 388 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: and the dude put up the most bench press reps 389 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 1: despite having a torn ACL, a freshly torn ACL, and. 390 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 3: You know, the work ethic the player. 391 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: They really feel like they got a steal I think 392 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: in the seventh round a couple years ago when they 393 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 1: drafted him after he tore that ACL and so, like 394 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: you said, they were impressed with the work that he 395 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 1: put in last offseason, so impressed that they made him 396 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: the Week one starter. 397 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 3: And I feel like he's just going to continue to develop. 398 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: He's still young in his career because of that really 399 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 1: red shirt rookie season, and so he'll have a shot, 400 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: you know, if Pat doesn't return to win that starting 401 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 1: left guard job again. But John Harbalaso said, there'll be 402 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,360 Speaker 1: other guys in the mix, and you know, potential. 403 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:02,360 Speaker 3: Draft solutions there too. 404 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: Eric Takasa said there are a number of guards interior 405 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: offensive linemen in the first couple of rounds to the Ravens. 406 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 3: Feel like are just plug and play guys. 407 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, could start Week one, and so they'll have a 408 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: lot of options at guard. 409 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, which if you're drafting a guard, especially in the 410 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 2: first round, you probably expect them to be a plug 411 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 2: and play guy. 412 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. 413 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: I mean one thing that just this is a bit 414 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: of a tangent, but like I just Daniel file Alele 415 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 1: is the starting right guard going into next season. For me, like, 416 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: I I think that like fans that are still still 417 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: now still talking about how they need to find a 418 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: solution at right guard, like the Ravens just that they 419 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: gave Daniel file A Lele had his kind of crash 420 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: course season as the starter, right, where like it was 421 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: a big transition going from tackle to guard, right, and 422 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 1: you got through some of the growing pains. Now it's 423 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: time to enjoy the rewards, you know, but I mean, 424 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: you know, just just abandoned ship now, Like the guy 425 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: got better as the season went along. 426 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 3: Was a Pro Bowl reserve, yeah. 427 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: Right, alternate and like had a pretty darn had had 428 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: a pretty good year, right, Like, yes, there are some 429 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: growing pains, but like he's getting better. 430 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 3: I just don't. 431 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 1: I like keep seeing this out there and I'm just 432 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: like God, like everybody, he's fo Lili's gonna be the 433 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: right guard. 434 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's totally my expectation too, I think the Ravens, 435 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 2: especially if in a world in which it's possible that 436 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 2: the Ravens lose Stanley and mcarry. 437 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: Right exactly, so like now you're replacing three guys again, Yeah, 438 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 1: like that. 439 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 2: Was how many times do we hit we recite the 440 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,360 Speaker 2: phrase of the Ravens replaced three starters along the offensive 441 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 2: line this year. They just did that, and so keeping 442 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 2: some continuity there I think goes a long way and 443 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 2: helping the offensive line. So I'm with you at right guard, 444 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 2: but left guard could be open. And if it ends 445 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 2: up being where he's they they do have a lot 446 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 2: of confidence in him, in his ability. It's interesting. I 447 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 2: think that, like I do, a common talking point at 448 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 2: the combine this week has been the conversation of basically 449 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 2: old school football, building the trenches. Everyone saw what the 450 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 2: Eagles did in the Super Bowl to the Kansas City Chiefs, 451 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 2: and the Eagles completely controlled the line of scrim is 452 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 2: at a dominant defensive front and the Chiefs couldn't do 453 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 2: anything offensively because the Eagles defense just controlled the line 454 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 2: of scrimmage. They won in the trenches. And so what's 455 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 2: the impact of that? And that's a lot of coaches 456 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,640 Speaker 2: and gms are getting asked that question. And I talked 457 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 2: with John Harball a little bit about that today and 458 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 2: he made the point like that could have an impact 459 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 2: on how teams evaluate some of these players. Now. He 460 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 2: also said, and this is definitely true, that like the 461 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 2: Ravens have always been a team that values the work 462 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,120 Speaker 2: in the trenches, like they have been a team that's 463 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 2: invested on both sides of the ball in the trenches. 464 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,959 Speaker 2: And so that's not necessarily a change for them. But 465 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 2: you see what happened with the Eagles. They've invested a 466 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 2: ton of draft capital, in particular on that defensive front, 467 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 2: and and they they read the rewards of it, and 468 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 2: they that had a big impact in that game. 469 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: So they also invested a lot of draft capital in 470 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: their secondary. 471 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 3: They took cornerbacks with their first two draft packs. 472 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 2: They did this year. They went with the secondary. Past 473 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 2: years it was more that defensive front. Just like give 474 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 2: me the Georgia guy on defensive front. 475 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: Right, And I can I just interrupt you for a 476 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: second to say I totally understand the sentiment, and like, yeah, 477 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: those de tackles for the Eagles are really good and 478 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: the pass rushers and all that, but all right, so 479 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: like we want to invest a lot in that. 480 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 3: We don't feel like we need good cornerbacks anymore. 481 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, right right, Like I agree, you want 482 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: to and the Ravens Eric Scots said, you want to 483 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: build up the spine, you know, the middle of your 484 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:47,719 Speaker 1: offense and defense. 485 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 3: You want that to be strong. You also want the 486 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 3: outside to be strong. Have you need to have the outside. 487 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,360 Speaker 1: Wide receivers, and you need to have the outside corners, 488 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: and you need to have the say, the safeties, Like 489 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: none of it is not important. 490 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all. It all matters. 491 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 3: It all is. 492 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 2: But I do think like when you look at this 493 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 2: draft and you talk to people that it sounds like 494 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 2: the defensive front is really good. Pass rusher, defensive tackle, 495 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 2: like it's. 496 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 3: A good in the draft class. 497 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 2: And so you can get some impact players there at 498 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 2: both spots like defensive tackle and edge rusher in the 499 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 2: first couple of rounds. And so is it do teams 500 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 2: alter their strategy at all to try to go after 501 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 2: those guys and replicate what the Eagles were able to do? 502 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 2: And does that have any bearing on the approach of 503 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 2: the Ravens take. Eric Ocoso was asked a John Harba 504 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 2: basically about pass rusher and adding a pass rusher and 505 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 2: do you need to go get a pass rusher? Now? 506 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 2: You and I are both of the belief like the 507 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 2: Ravens had a pretty good pass rusher last year. A Dafayola, 508 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 2: Kyle Vannoy both career high and sacks both double digits, 509 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,479 Speaker 2: so like the Ravens. 510 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: Had second sacks in the league. 511 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 2: Pretty good. But they were both asked about the possibility 512 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 2: of going and getting a pass rusher. And while I 513 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,360 Speaker 2: think that the Ravens will add a pass for sure 514 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 2: at some point, neither of them seem to indicate from 515 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 2: to me that the Ravens are really pressed on needing 516 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 2: to get a pass rusher early. They like the pieces 517 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 2: that they have in place already, and they like the 518 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 2: defensive scheme and the way that they can use the 519 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:15,439 Speaker 2: guys to have. 520 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they feel pretty good about their positioning 521 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 1: that they're not really they don't have to draft one 522 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 1: specific position. 523 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,439 Speaker 3: At number twenty seven, you know. 524 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: I think that their options are open because they have 525 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 1: all these outside linebackers returning. They already have a good 526 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:40,679 Speaker 1: defensive line right And so to me, obviously Ronnie stanley 527 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: situation is the biggest domino in that if Ronnie doesn't resign, 528 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 1: then offensive tackle becomes a higher priority. I wouldn't be 529 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: surprised if Ronnie doesn't re sign, or even if he does, 530 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: if the Ravens pursue a tackle, whether that's retaining one 531 00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: of their own or bringing in somebody else, you know, 532 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: a veteran offensive tackle before the draft comes around. But 533 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 1: if Ronny doesn't stay, I think it's a pretty high 534 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: likelihood they're gonna draft an offensive tackle early in the draft, 535 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: one of the first two days. But other than that 536 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: at number twenty seven, I mean, it could be cornerback, 537 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: it could be safety, it could be pass rusher, it 538 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: could be defensive linemen. You know, any of those I 539 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 1: think are the top contenders at least. And and so 540 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: I don't I don't think that the Ravens are hard pressed. 541 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: They're not hard up saying we gotta we gotta get 542 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 1: outside linebacker, knew, we need a difference making kind of 543 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: pass rusher, like That's what I'm hearing a lot kind 544 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: of from fans. But I don't think the Ravens feel 545 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: that way, in part because their defensive scheme isn't necessarily 546 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: built just like the Eagles. Like they they want to 547 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 1: get pressure. It's not about just having that edge rusher 548 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: that or that four man front you know that gets 549 00:25:55,800 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: after people. It's like simulated pressures, safety zone blitzes, all 550 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 1: these different things. Like the Ravens are a defense where 551 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: they want to keep people guessing where's that pressure coming from. 552 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: And they're not necessarily one of these teams that says 553 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: we're going to spend a lot of either draft capital 554 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: or salary cap space and get these like Premiere you know, 555 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 1: top end just edge rushers, and we're just gonna pin 556 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: our ears back and go at people with four rushers. 557 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:23,400 Speaker 3: That's just not who they are. 558 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 2: I know that we're talking a lot about the Eagles, 559 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 2: as a lot of teams probably are, but like, also 560 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 2: when you look at the Eagles, it's not like they 561 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 2: just like they didn't have the sack leader on their 562 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 2: on their team, like they get it from a lot 563 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 2: of different places. Even in the Super Bowl, it wasn't 564 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 2: all coming from one person or one. 565 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 1: Direction lineman right out outside linebackers. It was everybody inside linebackers. 566 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, And so like I. 567 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 3: Don't, I don't. 568 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 2: And also like when you're picking at twenty seven, you're 569 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 2: generally it's generally difficult to get like the best pass 570 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 2: rushers in the draft, they're top ten picks most of 571 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 2: the time, and of course there's some that slip through 572 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 2: the cracks and fall to the later round or whatever. 573 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 2: But I think that if when you're talking about like 574 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,919 Speaker 2: the true like the dominant top of the line pass rushers, 575 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 2: those guys are often going in the first five ten picks, and. 576 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 3: So Dravens aren't getting am dual Carter. 577 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 2: Right, he's gone see you like overall pick, most likely 578 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 2: those guys go early. And so that's that's part of 579 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 2: the equation you need to take into consideration. 580 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 3: What the Ravens. 581 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 1: You know, what we'll hear is if if the Ravens 582 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: draft the defensive tackle or d end it's like, all right, 583 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: this guy you know him and Nandi uh and Travis 584 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: they're gonna get after people and really push that that pocket. 585 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 3: And then that's gonna help the outside linebackers. 586 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: And then if they drafted outside linebacker, oh man, we 587 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 1: got another burner off the edge, and that's gonna really 588 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 1: you know, make it a tight pocket and you get 589 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,719 Speaker 1: the push up front and you just collapse that pocket 590 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: from all angles. And then if you get a safety, 591 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 1: uh oh man. Now you know we can use Kyle Hamilton. 592 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 1: He's he's a great blitzer. Marlin Humphrey, he's a great blitter. 593 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 1: This new safety he's a great blitzer. Whatever it is, 594 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: like all of them can factor into the past rush 595 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: in different ways, and they all help everybody else, is 596 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: the point I'm making here. 597 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,959 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's not like in order for this defense 598 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 2: to be successful and to bring pressure, it's not predicated 599 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 2: on getting one guy that can get fifteen sacks. It 600 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 2: can come from all the different angles and that's a 601 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 2: lot of different positions. So and I think that that's that, 602 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 2: and that puts the Ravens in a good spot draft 603 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 2: wise because they can sit, they can sit and pick, 604 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 2: they can take the best player available they can. That 605 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 2: fits the way that they like to approach the draft, 606 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 2: which gives them flexibility when they get to that point. 607 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 2: So it's it's a busy week here in Indianapolis. In 608 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 2: addition to hearing from both Eric and John today, also 609 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 2: catching up with some media folks here, we're gonna be 610 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 2: bringing those interviews to you. So we're gonna be back 611 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 2: with another podcast coming up tomorrow, and in that we 612 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 2: are going to play some of the conversations that I 613 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 2: have with some of the media folks here and share 614 00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 2: our reaction to what they're talking about with the Ravens. 615 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 2: So stay tuned for that. I hope you really enjoyed 616 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 2: it so thank you so much for listening, and we 617 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 2: will be back with you again tomorrow