Speaker 1: Fellow conspiracy realist and space nerds alike. This is a
Speaker 1: fantastic classic episode. It's about one of the most extra
Speaker 1: things human beings have ever done, which is going to
Speaker 1: the moon. Yes, there are problems on Earth, but Matt,
Speaker 1: why do we go to the moon?
Speaker 2: Why do we go to the moon?
Speaker 1: Why?
Speaker 3: Besides the helium and it's cool, and because we do
Speaker 3: the things because they're hard, not because they're easy.
Speaker 1: Not because it is easy, but because it is hod.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's crazy to think. We did this episode
Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen when there was major news about China
Speaker 3: one of China's moon missions that they were completing, and
Speaker 3: as we're recording this in June twenty twenty four, another
Speaker 3: one of China's moon missions successfully is functioning right there
Speaker 3: on the Moon right now. You can read about it
Speaker 3: in the New York Times and The Verge everywhere. It's
Speaker 3: the lunar race that we've talked about before is.
Speaker 1: Ongoing, and this episode provides a bit of context. One
Speaker 1: thing we can say for sure is that there is
Speaker 1: more news ahead. Civilization has technically become a bunch of lunatics,
Speaker 1: from UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know.
Speaker 3: Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my
Speaker 3: name is Noel.
Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We are joined with our super
Speaker 1: producer Paul, Mission controlled decand most importantly, you are you.
Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't
Speaker 1: want you to know. No Paul, just as an aside here,
Speaker 1: your nickname is very appropriate for today's episode. We for
Speaker 1: anyone who doesn't check the title of the podcast before listening,
Speaker 1: we are as a species returning to the Moon. It's
Speaker 1: been a huge stream. About twenty one million Americans are
Speaker 1: convinced that never happened, right, correct, So take that with
Speaker 1: a grain of salt. We have some recent developments here
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen that were a long time in the making.
Speaker 1: Humanities study the Moon dates back way before recorded history,
Speaker 1: and it was only as recently as the nineteen sixties. Again,
Speaker 1: if you believe the official story that we actually managed
Speaker 1: to send bona fide, genuine human beings to the lunar surface,
Speaker 1: and then after a few manned moon missions, we just stopped.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were done. We found everything we needed to find.
Speaker 3: You know, the castles and extraterrestrios, moon bases on there
Speaker 3: were kept under wraps successfully. So yeah, we didn't need
Speaker 3: to do anything else.
Speaker 1: And the mainstream narrative, of course, would be the tremendous
Speaker 1: cost involved with every Moon launch across every imaginable industry
Speaker 1: you could think of. But still, we can understand how
Speaker 1: it seems strange to achieve something so breathtaking and then
Speaker 1: just stop, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, so
Speaker 1: this situation seemed set to be the new normal that
Speaker 1: we would forever be in a near Earth orbit limbo. Right,
Speaker 1: We'd have tons of spy satellites, we'd have those things
Speaker 1: that can drop what is it a rod, like a
Speaker 1: titanium rod. Have you guys heard of these?
Speaker 3: No? Yeah, like a rail gun.
Speaker 1: It would just drop a rod from space onto a
Speaker 1: target and would hit with such enormous force that it
Speaker 1: would it would be like a nuclear bomb.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a rail bomb. That's that's scary.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it would just detonate on him. I don't know,
Speaker 4: it doesn't just detonate at all. It would just wreck shop. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it would just knock the heck out of something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, And well yea, it is weird to think
Speaker 3: that humans have stayed in that near Earth orbit for
Speaker 3: all this time. If people go into space, it's right outside.
Speaker 1: And yeah, and it's very bad for you to live
Speaker 1: in such low gravity, right, But be that as it may.
Speaker 1: Aside from the few experiments that we had ongoing, and
Speaker 1: don't get us wrong, folks, these are amazing innovative things.
Speaker 1: The International Space Station is one of the most important
Speaker 1: structures humanity has ever built. But it looked like that
Speaker 1: was going to be it for us, that we were
Speaker 1: just going to be caught in this cosmic purgatory, until
Speaker 1: the situation began to change, especially in January of twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: when China announced that it had successfully landed a probe
Speaker 1: on the far side of the Moon, or you know,
Speaker 1: we sometimes call it the dark side. Far side of
Speaker 1: the moon is the hemisphere that never faces us. We're
Speaker 1: not on speaking terms with it due to the Moon's rotation.
Speaker 1: Sometimes we call it the dark side of the moon
Speaker 1: because that sounds, let's be honest, incredibly cool. But it
Speaker 1: receives just as much sunlight as the side that faces us.
Speaker 3: All that what that just destroys all of my.
Speaker 2: Well let down think Floyd lied to us.
Speaker 4: They did, they did, oh me, as my mother would say,
Speaker 4: they didn't let the truth stand in the way of
Speaker 4: a good story or concept album.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard that too. So what are the facts
Speaker 1: about this thing? This probably popped up in most people's
Speaker 1: news feeds. But what actually happened.
Speaker 3: Well, it's part of something called the Change Program and
Speaker 3: it's been going on for quite a while now. But
Speaker 3: the Changy four, the fourth, I guess phase of this program,
Speaker 3: it achieved the first soft land ending on the dark
Speaker 3: side of the moon on January third, twenty nineteen. That's
Speaker 3: this year, not that long ago actually, And what was
Speaker 3: this thing? Is that what you're asking? What was this? Well,
Speaker 3: it was a relay satellite, a lunar lander, and a
Speaker 3: rover named YouTube two is.
Speaker 4: Utu, yeah exactly, which has the amazing translation.
Speaker 3: Of jade rabbit.
Speaker 2: Second Jade Rabbit, yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, and YouTube of this Jade Rabbit is actually a
Speaker 3: pet to Changi, which was a goddess, a moon goddess
Speaker 3: or is the moon goddess? Yes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Chinese mythology, so we see it's three different components.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: First, they have to get the relay satellite up there.
Speaker 1: That is step one, because direct communication with Earth is
Speaker 1: impossible on the far side of the Moon because there's
Speaker 1: an entire moon in the way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So communications have to hit this relay satellite and it's
Speaker 1: placed in a location that has a clear view of
Speaker 1: landed area and planet Earth.
Speaker 3: Nice good planning, so you know, we're we're not joking
Speaker 3: at all about it, but it just we forget maybe
Speaker 3: sometimes how much planning and ridiculous math that it takes
Speaker 3: to do any one of these things, and then to
Speaker 3: have all of them work in concert like this, It's
Speaker 3: an incredible feat.
Speaker 1: Boggles the mind. It is not an improv exercise for sure.
Speaker 1: On May twentieth, twenty eighteen, the China National Space Administration
Speaker 1: or SINSA, launched the Magpie Bridge relay satellite to Halo
Speaker 1: orbit around the Earth Moon L two point. This was
Speaker 1: the first step, and the relay satellite was based on
Speaker 1: another earlier satellites design. We can tell you some of
Speaker 1: the stats about it if you would like to hear them.
Speaker 1: First off, it's incredibly heavy. It's nine hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: seven pounds or for the rest of the world four
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five kilograms. It's heavy, man, it is heavy.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it's not heavy in space, but
Speaker 1: it seems like a lot to get up there, you know.
Speaker 1: And it's not that large, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But it does have a nice big old antenna
Speaker 3: that's four point two meters or fourteen feet for us,
Speaker 3: and it receives the it receives X band signals from
Speaker 3: the lander again, and then it sends them down to Earth.
Speaker 3: Pretty cool stuff, and I guess it can also send
Speaker 3: information the other way if need be. And the relay
Speaker 3: satellite has some help up there with a form of
Speaker 3: two micro satellites, which is super cool in my opinion.
Speaker 3: It's I don't know how anybody they are, but it's
Speaker 3: just a cool idea of a micro satellite working in
Speaker 3: conjunction with these. It's called the Dragon River one, Dragon
Speaker 3: River two, or long Jang and the first one that
Speaker 3: they sent up there, Long Jang one, was unsuccessful, but
Speaker 3: the second iteration made it and is still going strong.
Speaker 1: Nice cute as a button. Can you imagine the Pixar
Speaker 1: stories that will spring from them? Oh?
Speaker 4: Man, an anthropomorphized microsatellite sounds, They're like.
Speaker 3: Oh, in the it's like a brother and sister.
Speaker 2: With Wally and that whole universe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: And they just want to help out the rover. We
Speaker 1: have a little bit of information about the lander and
Speaker 1: the rover, but it's it's somewhat limited. As you can understand,
Speaker 1: the government wouldn't want to advertise any of the really
Speaker 1: cool spooky stuff, right. So the lander has two cameras,
Speaker 1: one for just landing and one for terrain. As a spectrometer,
Speaker 1: it has something I had not heard of, a neutron dosimeter,
Speaker 1: and perhaps most interestingly, it has something called the lunar
Speaker 1: micro ecosystem. This is so, this is mind blowing to me.
Speaker 1: We've done experiments like this before our species, I mean,
Speaker 1: but this is a little bit different. It's a sealed
Speaker 1: biosphere that has seeds and insect and it's meant to
Speaker 1: measure their growth and development in space space space space.
Speaker 3: And specifically on the Moon and specifically on the Moon.
Speaker 1: Can we grow things on the moon? Huge question. They
Speaker 1: have seeds of potatoes and a small flowering plant called arabidopsis.
Speaker 2: Yep, you got this, Ben, that's actually that's it.
Speaker 1: I don't know you said got a pregnant positive.
Speaker 2: It was the second part of the of the of
Speaker 2: the name. I figured it was Arapidosis speculorum.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, No, No, I think it's just arabidopsis. And
Speaker 1: I'm probably mispronouncing.
Speaker 2: It was that upward inflection that like had me on
Speaker 2: the edge of my seat.
Speaker 1: It was that word was like an obstacle course that
Speaker 1: I accidentally and blindly ran through it. Right, do you
Speaker 1: think so we'll see aribidopsis.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a small flowering plant. It belongs to the
Speaker 1: mustard family. And the insect eggs were actually so worm cocoons.
Speaker 3: Very nice. Now we mentioned those two cameras, you can
Speaker 3: already see images. I guess it's a video that is
Speaker 3: just an image sequence of the lander actually landing, and
Speaker 3: it's always I mean, that's always fun to watch, and
Speaker 3: it will be scoured over by the internet just for
Speaker 3: the for the rest what fifty hundred years.
Speaker 1: I go see the pixels.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, exactly, Yeah.
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. This mission was originally scheduled for December
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. It is meant to explore and assess this
Speaker 1: unexplored region of the Moon, which is near the South Pole,
Speaker 1: and the aim here is to learn more about the
Speaker 1: age of the area and then to facilitate the construction
Speaker 1: of technology needed to create a successful lunar colony. Right,
Speaker 1: we've talked about it. We've talked about it. I cannot
Speaker 1: wait to go. Oh my gosh, it's going to be dangerous.
Speaker 1: It's going to be not the most luxurious place to live.
Speaker 1: But wouldn't you go? Would you go? Would you go
Speaker 1: to a moon colony? No? Why not?
Speaker 3: Not?
Speaker 2: Unless?
Speaker 4: I like, not, unless stuff got so bad here that
Speaker 4: it was like an absolute thing that was gonna save
Speaker 4: min in my family's life.
Speaker 2: I'm a big old whimp, you guys.
Speaker 3: Not just to get in early, it's gonna say, not
Speaker 3: just to visit at Like.
Speaker 4: Flying to Los Angeles it takes like five hours and
Speaker 4: then my legs get really stiff.
Speaker 2: Going to the Moon. That just sounds like a nightmare.
Speaker 1: How long would it take?
Speaker 2: Do we know this?
Speaker 1: It takes about three days for a spacecraft to reach
Speaker 1: the Moon.
Speaker 3: With current technology.
Speaker 2: Man, f that noise?
Speaker 1: But are you serious?
Speaker 4: Sorry, I'm such a spoilsports Oh it does sound amazing,
Speaker 4: And you know, maybe if I had the opportunity, I
Speaker 4: might rethink it.
Speaker 2: Right now, just being a curmudgeon.
Speaker 1: Would feel like you would have fomo.
Speaker 2: I'm a space cugget, you know, I would have that
Speaker 2: about me. You know that about me.
Speaker 3: What if it was a huge spacecraft that's just ostensibly
Speaker 3: a conspiracy cruise that you got to take.
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, I would be paranoid that we
Speaker 4: would just one would of course correct us and we
Speaker 4: ended up going into the sun.
Speaker 1: They still haven't figured out who drilled that hole in
Speaker 1: the ISS exactly.
Speaker 3: Oh that's true. Well, you know I would have to
Speaker 3: just say in answer to your question, I would do
Speaker 3: pretty much anything to be able to follow in Doc
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Speaker 1: Yes, good save And in the future, let's look at
Speaker 1: what the Chang Gi four expects to accomplish. Ultimately, they
Speaker 1: want to do stuff that sets them up for success
Speaker 1: later on in this mission, which is an ongoing Star
Speaker 1: Trek esque thing. First, this rover will measure the chemical
Speaker 1: compositions of lunar rocks and soils. It'll measure lunar surface temperature.
Speaker 1: While it's out in the field. It will carry out
Speaker 1: low frequency radio astronomical observation and research using a radio telescope,
Speaker 1: which right now is going to be the envy of
Speaker 1: every astronomer on this planet because it is one of
Speaker 1: the quietest places to use this sort of telescope.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and what a cool idea, just to get as
Speaker 3: a little interference as necessary. The next thing, the next
Speaker 3: two things actually looking at cosmic rays. That's cool, some
Speaker 3: powerful thing cosmic rays. And then to study the solar
Speaker 3: corona and investigate the radiation that's coming off of the
Speaker 3: Sun and specifically to explore coronal mass ejections.
Speaker 1: Which is one of your favorite doomsday scenario.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, So thank you, Thank you everyone involved in
Speaker 3: this project for studying those, because I do feel like
Speaker 3: that's gonna be one thing that causes a massive issue
Speaker 3: at some point on this planet in the next one
Speaker 3: hundred years.
Speaker 1: Now. We did a video on this a while back,
Speaker 1: but could you remind everybody what a CME is or
Speaker 1: maybe just what it does.
Speaker 2: Oh? Sure.
Speaker 3: It's a massive charged particles that get ejected from the
Speaker 3: Sun and they just head outwards, and if they head
Speaker 3: towards the Earth and they happen to run into Earth,
Speaker 3: they can do a lot of things. One of the
Speaker 3: biggest things is that they affect. They have an effect
Speaker 3: that's kind of like what you hear as in what
Speaker 3: is it emp? Electromagnetic pulse kind of thing where it
Speaker 3: will fry circuits essentially and just destroy anything that's electronic.
Speaker 4: And a call back to our pal Josh Clark's End
Speaker 4: of the World show, Isn't that a potential existential risk?
Speaker 3: Yes? Yeah, yeah, and it's out there looming. Whenever you
Speaker 3: see sun spots like that are aimed at the Earth,
Speaker 3: I always think, like, see, I don't even need.
Speaker 4: To get shot into the Sun with a spaceship to
Speaker 4: get fried by its mighty rays.
Speaker 3: Here in the United States, the sun shoots you exactly.
Speaker 2: That's good.
Speaker 3: That was my Russian nailed. The United States to nailed.
Speaker 2: It's little more Brooklyn than Russia.
Speaker 3: I don't know what it was.
Speaker 1: Siberia Brooklyn, Yeah, sure, Siberia by way of Brooklyn, Brooklyn.
Speaker 1: So this this is important stuff, right, And I think
Speaker 1: did we mention that CMEs have occurred like in Canada,
Speaker 1: I think in the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's there's have been some recorded instances
Speaker 3: of a CME, and probably over the span of humanity
Speaker 3: there have been CMEs that have occurred that we just
Speaker 3: didn't understand what they were the time, and they had
Speaker 3: some weird effects. Didn't have so many transistors and you
Speaker 3: know CPUs back in the day that would be affected fully.
Speaker 3: Electrical systems like long wires that carry electricity, they can
Speaker 3: be affected as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. The thing that makes the far side
Speaker 1: of the Moon so attractive is the same thing that
Speaker 1: makes it so difficult to get to her to communicate
Speaker 1: with It's tough. You have to use that relay satellite.
Speaker 1: But the scientific payoff is huge, According to Tong Hi Liu,
Speaker 1: deputy director of the Lunar Exploration and Space Programs Center
Speaker 1: for the China National Space Administration, against the far side
Speaker 1: of the Moon is shielded from electromagnetic interference from Earth,
Speaker 1: making it an ideal place to research the space environment
Speaker 1: and solar bursts, and the probe can listen to the
Speaker 1: deeper reaches of the cosmos. They're bearing the lead a
Speaker 1: little bit here because for any fans of extraterrestrials UFO
Speaker 1: exploration in the audience, that is a clear indication that
Speaker 1: they may may be capable of sensing some signal that
Speaker 1: would not ordinarily be within our means to differentiate from
Speaker 1: the background noise.
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, Oh that's really cool. And it will be
Speaker 3: of course gray aliens from Andromeda most likely, of course,
Speaker 3: of course, and or reptilians from a different.
Speaker 2: Galaxy also Andromeda.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, right, I'm seriously, I really.
Speaker 4: Hope I feel like the reptilians from some galaxy called like,
Speaker 4: you know, some weird name and then a number, you know,
Speaker 4: like oh sure Prcus nine.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, thought, yes, oh they're from the Draco
Speaker 3: oh consolation, right, got it got.
Speaker 1: It obviously, right, Ye. So, as we could assume from
Speaker 1: the name, the Changi four represents one of several steps
Speaker 1: in China's Lunar Exploration Program or KLEP. It's a series
Speaker 1: of robotic by which we mean unmanned missions to the
Speaker 1: lunar surface, and the name, as we had mentioned before,
Speaker 1: pays homage to a Chinese goddess of the moon. The
Speaker 1: program spans multiple years. It's meant to be conducted in
Speaker 1: three phases of incremental technological advancement. You know, Changi four
Speaker 1: is one in an iteration that doesn't end with four,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of like HEINZ fifty seven, except there
Speaker 1: really are fifty six other varieties, right. And the first
Speaker 1: thing they did was just to reach lunar orbit. They said,
Speaker 1: let's just get something to orbit the Moon without completely
Speaker 1: screwing it up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And they did the twelve years ago, almost in
Speaker 3: two thousand and seven, with.
Speaker 1: The Chongi one, and its job was pretty simple. It
Speaker 1: was a success. It was such a success that it
Speaker 1: overstayed it's welcome. It stayed in orbit until March of
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, and then they launched the chong
Speaker 1: E two which is a pretty interesting, pretty interesting thing,
Speaker 1: because it didn't just do a typical lunar orbit.
Speaker 2: Did it. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So the chong E two was an updated version of
Speaker 4: its predecessor with a lot of tech improvements, things like
Speaker 4: better onboard cameras, and the satellite is currently in deep
Speaker 4: space as we speak and expected to return to Earth
Speaker 4: sometime in or around twenty twenty nine, which is a
Speaker 4: very futuristic sounding date.
Speaker 2: When you say it out loud, it really is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but nineteen ninety nine used to sound equally astonishing.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, hindsight is twenty twenty Yeah.
Speaker 1: Go, it's twenty twenty nine. So this is neat because
Speaker 1: it's traveling. The experiment here is to send this thing
Speaker 1: on a very far orbit and then have it return
Speaker 1: right And if we can, if our species can establish
Speaker 1: this proof of concept, then we will also be able
Speaker 1: to potentially in the future send people further out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if that fad ever comes back in style. The second
Speaker 1: phase is the land and rove around on the Moon,
Speaker 1: as Changi three did in twenty thirteen and Changi four
Speaker 1: did in January twenty nineteen. The chang E three in
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen became the first object to land on the
Speaker 1: Moon since the Soviet Union's Luna twenty four in nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy six. Officially, this objective of this was to achieve
Speaker 1: China's first soft landing and rover exploration on the Moon,
Speaker 1: as well as again demonstrate develop technology for future missions.
Speaker 1: It did a lot of lunar surveying. It measured the
Speaker 1: lunar crust to a depth of several hundred meters. It
Speaker 1: also discovered a new type of rock. So go you
Speaker 1: number three.
Speaker 3: That's sweet, nice word chaining you three.
Speaker 2: I have a quick question for you guys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you talked about the idea of sending humans to
Speaker 4: outer space as being like a fad, and I think
Speaker 4: that's funny and also true because we think of that
Speaker 4: being the only way to do space or exploration. But
Speaker 4: obviously the technology is such that we don't have to
Speaker 4: risk the human lives to do the work and get
Speaker 4: the data. Is can you think of a reason why
Speaker 4: it would become back in style or you know, like
Speaker 4: important for the mission to send humans rather than a
Speaker 4: rovers and you know, other remote controlled things.
Speaker 3: To construct the lunar colony and then eventually have all
Speaker 3: of the colonists there unless we were doing a full
Speaker 3: AI colony, which could be interesting.
Speaker 2: So it would be more like construction stuff.
Speaker 4: I mean, like, you know, there's really no reason to
Speaker 4: have humans out there digging for samples when you can
Speaker 4: have like a robot do it just as effectively, if
Speaker 4: not more so, right.
Speaker 1: Right, One of the big pieces here would also be
Speaker 1: having it would also be the advantage of having a
Speaker 1: person on the ground to repair machinery, which alloid machines
Speaker 1: can't quite do yet. But ultimately, the whole goal with
Speaker 1: sending people up there and exploratory occupations is to build,
Speaker 1: as you said, Matt, a lasting non earth presence for
Speaker 1: humanity to start to seed the Solar System and then
Speaker 1: later maybe eventually the galaxy, unless that already happened before
Speaker 1: and we are an unknowing results or consequence of that
Speaker 1: earlier action.
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Speaker 1: third step in this plan is to collect lunar samples
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Speaker 1: a task for Change five and the Change six missions,
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Speaker 1: and eight, because CHANGI eight will hopefully include a three
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Speaker 1: eventually live in on the Moon, and it, like its predecessor,
Speaker 1: will carry a small sealed ecosystem with it to see
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Speaker 1: of dollars in the space race ever since. And it
Speaker 1: shows go humanity, right, yeah.
Speaker 3: Go humanity. Let's all get to the Moon first and
Speaker 3: build a base first.
Speaker 1: Right. Some critics believe there's more to the story, and
Speaker 1: here's where it gets crazy. Yeah, the KLEP program has
Speaker 1: raised alarms in other space programs NASA, Jackson so on,
Speaker 1: as well as countries across the planet, and with good reason.
Speaker 1: This isn't just paranoid Cold war thinking. It goes back
Speaker 1: to what we would call the militarization of space, which
Speaker 1: is against the closest thing we have to global law, right.
Speaker 1: And the problem is that a lot of the things
Speaker 1: you could develop for peaceful exploration are also things you
Speaker 1: could use for non peaceful purposes. It's called dual use technology.
Speaker 1: So when you guys remember back when, back when there
Speaker 1: was that cover story about the existence of weapons of
Speaker 1: mass destruction to justify adventurism in the Middle.
Speaker 3: East, what that happened.
Speaker 1: Well, one of the big concerns there was the idea
Speaker 1: of dual use technology. The same enrichment process you use
Speaker 1: to build a relatively safe nuclear power plant is the
Speaker 1: same enrichment process you use to build weapons. But the
Speaker 1: only thing that really changes is the number of iterations,
Speaker 1: right that the number of times you go through that process.
Speaker 1: And in a way, space technology is similar. Although laws
Speaker 1: prevent the militarization of space, these are pretty tough to enforce, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, what are you gonna, what are you gonna
Speaker 1: You're gonna send the cops, Yeah, the space cops. We
Speaker 1: don't even have Space Force.
Speaker 2: Yet, not yet. Did you have about the Steve Carrell
Speaker 2: show Space Forces?
Speaker 3: It gonna be like the Office, but in space, I
Speaker 3: hear tell, And I'm trying not to get too excited about.
Speaker 1: Why isn't that just the Orville?
Speaker 4: I think the Orville is much more of a Star Trek. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I've heard it's great, so I haven't seen it.
Speaker 1: I've seen it's good, So this will just be the
Speaker 1: Office in space.
Speaker 4: That's what I thought. That was the one line pitch.
Speaker 4: That's obviously the lowest hanging fruit type show for Steve
Speaker 4: Carell to do.
Speaker 2: But I don't know. I'm intrigued.
Speaker 1: I'll check it out. I'll check it out. Let us
Speaker 1: know if you think it's going to be a bomb
Speaker 1: or if you think it's it's going to be a
Speaker 1: new age in space based comedy, I think TV shows.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: True Detective season three.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, are you caught up?
Speaker 2: Dude?
Speaker 1: It's really good.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 4: It's really really good. Because I did not like the
Speaker 4: second season. It lost me and I wanted to like it.
Speaker 4: I was really trepidacious about season three. But I think
Speaker 4: it's fantastic.
Speaker 1: People would have liked the second season if it was
Speaker 1: not built as True Detective season two, if it had
Speaker 1: just been like, look at Vince Vaughan again, looking as
Speaker 1: though he needs to sleep, which is how Vince Vaughn
Speaker 1: often looks. He's a hard working guy. He's a hard
Speaker 1: working dude. So one way nations have historically tried to
Speaker 1: ease these tensions, you know, try to relax and chill
Speaker 1: out a bit, is through scientific collaboration, international assistance, with research,
Speaker 1: funding and manufacturing. We see this happen in Antarctica in
Speaker 1: the South Pole. Here researchers stay at the compounds of
Speaker 1: other nations all the time. Right, That's why we did
Speaker 1: that episode, didn't we on what happens if someone commits
Speaker 1: a murder into Antarctica? Yeah, it gets complicated. We did that,
Speaker 1: ridiculous history, We did that, Okay, so it is worth
Speaker 1: checking out. The answer is not simple. The problem here
Speaker 1: is that we can't have the scientific collaboration that eases
Speaker 1: concerns about dual use technology because there's a US law
Speaker 1: from twenty eleven that bans any official contact with Chinese
Speaker 1: space officials. This exacerbates the already thick tensions and miasma
Speaker 1: of mistrust.
Speaker 3: Wow, And that is why in recent history, Vice President
Speaker 3: Michael Pence he went to the Pentagon. This was in
Speaker 3: January as well, and he accused China and Russia of
Speaker 3: developing technologies and weapons to target US satellites and working
Speaker 3: to bring new weapons of war into space itself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody acts aggressively on their own right. We're always
Speaker 1: acting in defense of something.
Speaker 3: Why would you guys take weapons of mass destruction into
Speaker 3: space while we're doing it too, I'm just kidding. I
Speaker 3: have no proof that we're doing that, but it.
Speaker 1: Leads to ulterior motives. Well, I mean, what is the
Speaker 1: X thirty seven B doing up there right? That is
Speaker 1: the unmanned spacecraft that has orbited for more than one
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty days before No one officially knows what
Speaker 1: it's doing. So what if there are ulterior motives to
Speaker 1: the newest the newest fouries into space by China, what
Speaker 1: are they to quote Tom Waits building up there. This
Speaker 1: builds on the concern about the militarization of space and
Speaker 1: the next question becomes more specific, what are they making?
Speaker 1: One guess would be a potentially massive resource mining business,
Speaker 1: because China could potentially make an enormous windfall by transporting
Speaker 1: fusion ready helium three. This is something that was new
Speaker 1: to me. Were you guys aware of this?
Speaker 3: We I believe we talked about it on a Moon
Speaker 3: episode a while ago, or with the Mars episode, maybe
Speaker 3: with Marshall Brain I can't remember, or maybe I've just
Speaker 3: learned about this. God, I don't know. I thought I
Speaker 3: talked with you about this. Ben Helium three a massive
Speaker 3: source for future fuel, like what we're going to probably
Speaker 3: be using, and the Moon has a whole heck of
Speaker 3: a lot of it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Helium three is a is a very tasty nuclear fuel
Speaker 1: because there are no neutrons generated as a product of
Speaker 1: the reaction, and the protons that do get generated have charge,
Speaker 1: and they can be safely contained using electromagnetic fields. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you are right. We did talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about this. Maybe the good mister brain people once
Speaker 1: imagine that Saturn or Jupiter would be the right place
Speaker 1: to get your hands on some helium three. But now
Speaker 1: it looks like China has their site set on the Moon,
Speaker 1: and we have a quote about how much stuff might
Speaker 1: be up there.
Speaker 4: This comes from Extreme Tech, and it says although the
Speaker 4: Sun dispenses ample amounts of helium three wherever it blows,
Speaker 4: the Earth is largely shielded from this windfall by its
Speaker 4: own magnetic field, and the little we do have is
Speaker 4: mostly generated by various terrestrial processes like cosmic ray bombardment
Speaker 4: and even relic sources from leftover nuclear warheads. The Moon,
Speaker 4: on the other hand, is a far more concentrated depot,
Speaker 4: with up to five million tons conveniently embedded in its
Speaker 4: top surface layer.
Speaker 1: So it's not even that difficult to mine it.
Speaker 2: No, no, it's not buried deep.
Speaker 1: In the lunar surface.
Speaker 3: But guys, you're changing the Moon if you take that
Speaker 3: stuff off. You know what I'm saying, like an escape.
Speaker 3: If you mind enough of this helium three, what are
Speaker 3: you going to do to the not only the composition
Speaker 3: of the moon, but also, oh, I don't know the
Speaker 3: mass of the moon. If we mind it the way
Speaker 3: we you know, we take down trees in the Amazon, like,
Speaker 3: good lord, we're gonna have a hollow moon.
Speaker 1: You know, I get the feeling that you're thirty percent joking, yes,
Speaker 1: but seventy percent raising a legit concern, right, Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 1: It's that that's one ulterior motive, and it's potentially it
Speaker 1: potentially could be an ecological disaster or an astronomical disaster,
Speaker 1: perhaps because you know, I wonder would they ever actually
Speaker 1: mind so much of a resource off the moon? Would
Speaker 1: humanity ever mind so much of a thing off the
Speaker 1: Moon that it does affect its mass and its orbit.
Speaker 3: I can't imagine that it would happen anytime in the
Speaker 3: near future, and by that I mean hundreds and hundreds
Speaker 3: of years. But still we would be mining it for
Speaker 3: a while. Why would we stop mining it unless we
Speaker 3: could at least prove that, oh, it's gonna crash into
Speaker 3: the Earth now, or you know, we're gonna change the
Speaker 3: tide's X amount because of this. And I can't even
Speaker 3: imagine helium having enough of an effect on any of
Speaker 3: that stuff just with the amount of mass it has
Speaker 3: in volume all.
Speaker 1: That, But what if that's a What if that's a
Speaker 1: cover story as well? What if the mining is cover story?
Speaker 1: What if they're looking for something else. According to one
Speaker 1: of the United Kingdom's favorite tabloids, The Sun, last year
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, a guy named Carl Wolf, the technician at
Speaker 1: the Air Force Tactical Air Command Headquarters in Langley, Virginia,
Speaker 1: claim to have discovered artificial structures on the far side
Speaker 1: of the Moon.
Speaker 3: Go on.
Speaker 1: They found strange shapes and images taken by the Lunar
Speaker 1: Reconnaissance Orbiter, a probe that circled the Moon since back
Speaker 1: in nine and according to Wolf, these were structures that
Speaker 1: were definitely not created by natural means such as meteors
Speaker 1: or ancient collisions with other heavenly bodies. He believes that
Speaker 1: the structures were quote created by intelligent beings. Most noticeable
Speaker 1: was what looked like radar antenna is very similar to
Speaker 1: what you could see on Earth.
Speaker 3: Hold on, Yeah, what is going on here? This is
Speaker 3: a gentleman that appears to have some credentials from the
Speaker 3: Air Force Tactical Air Command Headquarters that is saying these
Speaker 3: things nol.
Speaker 2: Why Noel?
Speaker 3: What does that mean? We've been here before? Someone has
Speaker 3: been here before and set up all of like maybe
Speaker 3: a base is already there. What what is happening to you? Guys?
Speaker 1: I you know what, I'm gonna let that simmer because
Speaker 1: I have an update for that, but I was I
Speaker 1: wanted to save it for the end of the day show.
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, it's going be a weird update for everybody
Speaker 1: to know going in. It's going to be a weird one.
Speaker 1: But for now, let's just remember that Carl Wolf, technician
Speaker 1: Air Force Tactical Air Command, totally believes there are structures
Speaker 1: of some sort that did not occur naturally that exist
Speaker 1: on the far side.
Speaker 3: Of the Moon, and they have evidence from pictures.
Speaker 1: Yes, and has, in his opinion, visual evidence.
Speaker 4: Oh guys, let's take a quick pause and then have
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Speaker 4: for you about returning to the Moon.
Speaker 1: There are other people who argue that maybe we're opening
Speaker 1: a door we shouldn't open. There are some conspiracy theorists
Speaker 1: who say that the probe could put us all in
Speaker 1: mortal danger, arguing that alien races living on the Moon
Speaker 1: to go with us here for a second, could see
Speaker 1: the landing as an act of war against their space,
Speaker 1: potentially with devastating consequences. Other people believe that the dark
Speaker 1: side of the Moon is peppered by craters left by
Speaker 1: secret NASA military bombings.
Speaker 3: Okay, bombing.
Speaker 2: Wait, you mean like from when we tried to blow
Speaker 2: up the moon, Yeah, or.
Speaker 3: When we tried to blow up the alien races that
Speaker 3: are living.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no.
Speaker 4: But there's that whole story where we were trying to
Speaker 4: intimidate other countries by shooting missiles of the Moon that
Speaker 4: would make a big cloud that they could see to
Speaker 4: demonstrate our superiority.
Speaker 2: Didn't Is this that I make this opposite?
Speaker 1: No, that's true. That's the thing that really happened. It
Speaker 1: never got past the planning stages. But that's what it's rights.
Speaker 1: That's what mister Show was referencing and their famous blow
Speaker 1: up the Moon sketch.
Speaker 4: So you're saying, there are craters that possibly were left
Speaker 4: by some version of what we're talking about that did happen.
Speaker 1: People, there are people who believe it. Yes, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: I myself, it's I am of the opinion that it
Speaker 1: seems like a lot of trouble to go to, right,
Speaker 1: especially given the propaganda you would want to detonate something
Speaker 1: like that on the Earth facing side.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but if you were an alien community or in
Speaker 3: an extraterrestrial community living, existing on that dark side of
Speaker 3: the Moon would be pretty advantageous.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it'd be dope.
Speaker 3: You're not going to be found, You're not getting you know,
Speaker 3: you can actually make your own radio programs and not
Speaker 3: get interrupted by all the noise.
Speaker 1: This this theory first arose in two thousand and nine
Speaker 1: after NASA deliberately fired a rocket and satellite into the
Speaker 1: lunar surface. They said it was an attempt to kick
Speaker 1: up moon dust so they could analyze this debris from
Speaker 1: Earth and determine if the Moon held any water. So
Speaker 1: that's that's their that's their story, all right, Matt, Matt, Yeah,
Speaker 1: are you over the lies of Big NASA?
Speaker 3: No, it's just not as much fun, that's all it is.
Speaker 3: We're gonna look at a cloud, study its content.
Speaker 1: But it's important if you want to build a colony
Speaker 1: on the Moon. This is the more long term question,
Speaker 1: and it reminds us, It reminds me, at least of
Speaker 1: that Martial Brain episode where he walked us through his
Speaker 1: thought experiment on how to set up a Martian society.
Speaker 1: He had some pretty articulated social theories, right, And one
Speaker 1: thing that's almost inescapable, whether you're talking the Moon or Mars,
Speaker 1: is that after some amount of time, any actual self
Speaker 1: sustaining non Earth colony will eventually inevitably become an independent entity,
Speaker 1: kind of like the colonies in North and South America
Speaker 1: when it used to be called the New World. The
Speaker 1: cost of transportation and governance eventually became too high for
Speaker 1: the European powers, and the terrestrial overlords of the future
Speaker 1: will also have a tough time maintaining control unless they
Speaker 1: bake in some specific, unchangeable dependencies. They probably want rule
Speaker 1: the Moon for long. Maybe they would have to do
Speaker 1: something like be the gatekeepers of food supply, right, or
Speaker 1: be able to turn off the air or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but then that all changes as soon as the
Speaker 3: colony is self sustaining and you're growing plants and some
Speaker 3: kind of biosphere thing, you know, I mean, quickly the
Speaker 3: colony becomes in control of itself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if the colony doesn't collapse under its own the
Speaker 1: weight of its own social functioning, right, I mean, look,
Speaker 1: we've all seen Biodome. It is a harrowing exploration of
Speaker 1: the human psyche.
Speaker 3: It really is almost the documentary.
Speaker 1: Almost its documentary. I believe the future will prove it
Speaker 1: to be so, right, I.
Speaker 3: Squeeze the juice, wheeze the juice or whatever.
Speaker 1: He's still out there.
Speaker 2: He's wheezing the juice to this day. So there was
Speaker 2: from Encino Man too, But I know I don't through.
Speaker 1: Both of those. Yeah, didn't just have the set catchphrases
Speaker 1: that he said in every film.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think so.
Speaker 4: I think Wee's in the Juice was pretty specifically, and
Speaker 4: in the Sino Man when they go to the convenience
Speaker 4: store and they terrorized that poor clerk by whueezing the jews,
Speaker 4: which is basically theft because they're just stealing slurpy juice
Speaker 4: and it's very unsanitary. He's just putting his mouth right
Speaker 4: on the slurpy nepple.
Speaker 3: It really is.
Speaker 1: But they probably faked a lot of that, right. The
Speaker 1: cashier was a paid actor. They didn't actually break into
Speaker 1: a thing.
Speaker 2: What you're saying, Sina Man wasn't a documentary.
Speaker 1: Then it's not. No, it's a speculative nonfiction. I see
Speaker 1: if that feels better. This leads us to one of
Speaker 1: the last questions about the lunar landing in the Chinese
Speaker 1: Lunar Landing project, which is, of course we all saw
Speaker 1: this coming, did they fake it? The rumors about a
Speaker 1: hoax were started by a guy named Scott C. Warring
Speaker 1: of UFO Sightings Daily, and he said, I guess China
Speaker 1: may have decided since NASA faked the first Apollo moon
Speaker 1: landing and got away with it, then China won it
Speaker 1: in on it too. And he supports his evidence by
Speaker 1: doing the same thing that Carl Wolf did, which is saying,
Speaker 1: look at the original photo. You'll see there are no
Speaker 1: other lines in the entire giant panoramic photo. OMG, this
Speaker 1: is so very disappointing. Note the lack of moon rocks
Speaker 1: on the entire surface of the Moon, which is exactly
Speaker 1: what the first Apollo moon landing also showed a sign
Speaker 1: of being faked on a stage. What I know. For him,
Speaker 1: this is like a smoking smoking gun. And as we
Speaker 1: mentioned before, a lot of people, a surprising amount of
Speaker 1: people got behind this, because you know, twenty one million
Speaker 1: people in the US alone still believe the moon landings
Speaker 1: were faked for one reason or another. And if you
Speaker 1: were one of those twenty one million people, we'd love
Speaker 1: to hear your story. You can write to us directly.
Speaker 1: You can find us on the Instagrams, the twitters and
Speaker 1: the facebooks. But where does this leave us? All? Now?
Speaker 2: Here?
Speaker 1: We are now, it's the twenty nineteen is we record this?
Speaker 1: Things are about to go. Nuts and bananas on our
Speaker 1: nearest rocky relative out there.
Speaker 3: In orbit, Nuts and bananas on the moon.
Speaker 1: Nuts and bananas on the moon.
Speaker 3: Yeah, We've never thought about pairing those with the cheese
Speaker 3: unless it was like a fine breeze. Maybe moon cheese. Yeah,
Speaker 3: isn't the Moon made out of cheese?
Speaker 4: Well, moon cheese is a very specific snack available at
Speaker 4: your local Starbucks and health food stores.
Speaker 1: I think yeah, And the moon is probably made out
Speaker 1: of cheese with very high helium three content. So I
Speaker 1: don't know what side of the argument that puts you
Speaker 1: on map that. I just want you to be aware
Speaker 1: of that.
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you, absolutely no, but you're right, Yes, it's
Speaker 3: going it's gonna get very busy up on the moon.
Speaker 3: And it's cool to think that in the next twenty years,
Speaker 3: Like the timelines that are mapped out for the Chengi
Speaker 3: I guess the program and then as well as the
Speaker 3: United State, it's trying to get up there. It's around
Speaker 3: twenty thirty something, I think when all this stuff will
Speaker 3: be completed. If you look at the US and China,
Speaker 3: that's not that far away, and we could possibly see
Speaker 3: lunar colonies. That is still mind blowing to me. But
Speaker 3: all kidding aside, Beijing is careful distress that everything it's
Speaker 3: doing on the Moon at this point and everything that's planning,
Speaker 3: it's all peaceful motives. They're doing with peaceful motives in
Speaker 3: exploring space. However, I mean, we have to just we
Speaker 3: have to remember that the United States used China and
Speaker 3: Russia as a potential threat to national security, and that's
Speaker 3: why our current president, Donald Trump, he called for the
Speaker 3: establishment of a space force by twenty twenty, a Space
Speaker 3: Force NOL. That sounds familiar.
Speaker 2: I'm excited about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The problem is that most of this stuff, again,
Speaker 1: you can say that you're developing it for peaceful means
Speaker 1: all the livelong day. It doesn't take away the fact
Speaker 1: that one really could turn it into turn some of
Speaker 1: these technologies into weapons of war. The US and other
Speaker 1: would be space vary nations obviously don't want to be
Speaker 1: left out or caught defenseless. That is why on December eleventh,
Speaker 1: the forty fifth anniversary the Apollo seventeenth lunar landing aka
Speaker 1: the last time people walked on the Moon, President Trump
Speaker 1: signed the Space Policy direct of one. It directs NASTAG
Speaker 1: to take astronauts to the Moon with the help of
Speaker 1: the US commercial space industry. So SpaceX l on Musk,
Speaker 1: I'm sure is up in there. Yet there is very
Speaker 1: little detail on exactly how and when this might happen
Speaker 1: and how much the White House will spend, and in
Speaker 1: the meantime, the clock is ticking. Would you like to
Speaker 1: hear that last somewhat unpleasant.
Speaker 3: Update, Yes, I do, But I do want to add
Speaker 3: this one bit of information that I got from NASA Dokov.
Speaker 3: They've got a graphic that has the exploration campaign written
Speaker 3: out up until twenty thirty, and it kind of gives
Speaker 3: you a timeline. But none of this stuff is solid,
Speaker 3: and it's all basically what we hope to achieve, and
Speaker 3: you can find it on there.
Speaker 1: When you have to aim for the stars quite literally
Speaker 1: in this instance, here's the weird update. That guy Carl
Speaker 1: wolf who said that he had seen pictures of a
Speaker 1: secret alien base on the Dark side of the Moon
Speaker 1: during his time as a sergeant at Langley in nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty five. Okay, in I want to say October of
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen or somewhere thereabouts. He was killed and was
Speaker 1: struck by a tractor trailer riding his bicycle on October tenth, actually,
Speaker 1: and police were investigating the incident, but there were no
Speaker 1: charges filed. The sheriff refrain from releasing the driver's name.
Speaker 1: This is someone who had contacted doctor Stephen Greer as well.
Speaker 2: Our buddy Steve Greer.
Speaker 1: Carl Wolfe was in and of this world, but at
Speaker 1: this time authorities do not suspect foul play. Buddy. He did,
Speaker 1: unfortunately pass away. So for some people that's going to
Speaker 1: indicate that he was a whistleblower. From other people, it's
Speaker 1: just going to indicate how dangerous traffic is. The choices
Speaker 1: up to you.
Speaker 3: Wow, Well, now I'm going to go and find myself
Speaker 3: researching that for the next at least nine hours.
Speaker 1: Yes, sorry, Matt, it's okay. I should have opened with that,
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