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Speaker 1: Fellow conspiracy realist and space nerds alike. This is a

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Speaker 1: fantastic classic episode. It's about one of the most extra

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Speaker 1: things human beings have ever done, which is going to

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Speaker 1: the moon. Yes, there are problems on Earth, but Matt,

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Speaker 1: why do we go to the moon?

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Speaker 2: Why do we go to the moon?

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Speaker 1: Why?

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Speaker 3: Besides the helium and it's cool, and because we do

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Speaker 3: the things because they're hard, not because they're easy.

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Speaker 1: Not because it is easy, but because it is hod.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's crazy to think. We did this episode

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Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen when there was major news about China

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Speaker 3: one of China's moon missions that they were completing, and

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Speaker 3: as we're recording this in June twenty twenty four, another

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Speaker 3: one of China's moon missions successfully is functioning right there

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Speaker 3: on the Moon right now. You can read about it

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Speaker 3: in the New York Times and The Verge everywhere. It's

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Speaker 3: the lunar race that we've talked about before is.

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Speaker 1: Ongoing, and this episode provides a bit of context. One

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Speaker 1: thing we can say for sure is that there is

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Speaker 1: more news ahead. Civilization has technically become a bunch of lunatics,

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Speaker 1: from UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my

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Speaker 3: name is Noel.

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Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We are joined with our super

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Speaker 1: producer Paul, Mission controlled decand most importantly, you are you.

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Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't

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Speaker 1: want you to know. No Paul, just as an aside here,

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Speaker 1: your nickname is very appropriate for today's episode. We for

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Speaker 1: anyone who doesn't check the title of the podcast before listening,

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Speaker 1: we are as a species returning to the Moon. It's

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Speaker 1: been a huge stream. About twenty one million Americans are

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Speaker 1: convinced that never happened, right, correct, So take that with

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Speaker 1: a grain of salt. We have some recent developments here

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Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen that were a long time in the making.

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Speaker 1: Humanities study the Moon dates back way before recorded history,

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Speaker 1: and it was only as recently as the nineteen sixties. Again,

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Speaker 1: if you believe the official story that we actually managed

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Speaker 1: and then after a few manned moon missions, we just stopped.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we were done. We found everything we needed to find.

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Speaker 3: You know, the castles and extraterrestrios, moon bases on there

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Speaker 3: were kept under wraps successfully. So yeah, we didn't need

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Speaker 1: And the mainstream narrative, of course, would be the tremendous

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Speaker 1: cost involved with every Moon launch across every imaginable industry

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Speaker 1: you could think of. But still, we can understand how

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Speaker 1: it seems strange to achieve something so breathtaking and then

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Speaker 1: just stop, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, so

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Speaker 1: this situation seemed set to be the new normal that

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Speaker 1: we would forever be in a near Earth orbit limbo. Right,

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Speaker 1: We'd have tons of spy satellites, we'd have those things

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Speaker 1: that can drop what is it a rod, like a

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Speaker 1: titanium rod. Have you guys heard of these?

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Speaker 3: No? Yeah, like a rail gun.

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Speaker 1: It would just drop a rod from space onto a

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Speaker 1: target and would hit with such enormous force that it

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a rail bomb. That's that's scary.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so it would just detonate on him. I don't know,

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Speaker 4: it doesn't just detonate at all. It would just wreck shop. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: it would just knock the heck out of something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, And well yea, it is weird to think

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Speaker 1: And yeah, and it's very bad for you to live

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Speaker 1: in such low gravity, right, But be that as it may.

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Speaker 1: Aside from the few experiments that we had ongoing, and

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Speaker 1: don't get us wrong, folks, these are amazing innovative things.

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Speaker 1: The International Space Station is one of the most important

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Speaker 1: just going to be caught in this cosmic purgatory, until

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Speaker 1: the situation began to change, especially in January of twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 3: All that what that just destroys all of my.

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Speaker 2: Well let down think Floyd lied to us.

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Speaker 4: They did, they did, oh me, as my mother would say,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard that too. So what are the facts

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Speaker 3: Well, it's part of something called the Change Program and

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Speaker 3: it's been going on for quite a while now. But

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Speaker 3: the Changy four, the fourth, I guess phase of this program,

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Speaker 3: this year, not that long ago actually, And what was

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Speaker 4: Utu, yeah exactly, which has the amazing translation.

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Speaker 3: Of jade rabbit.

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Speaker 2: Second Jade Rabbit, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, and YouTube of this Jade Rabbit is actually a

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Speaker 3: pet to Changi, which was a goddess, a moon goddess

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Chinese mythology, so we see it's three different components.

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Speaker 1: First, they have to get the relay satellite up there.

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Speaker 1: That is step one, because direct communication with Earth is

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Speaker 1: So communications have to hit this relay satellite and it's

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Speaker 3: Nice good planning, so you know, we're we're not joking

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Speaker 1: Boggles the mind. It is not an improv exercise for sure.

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Speaker 1: On May twentieth, twenty eighteen, the China National Space Administration

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Speaker 1: or SINSA, launched the Magpie Bridge relay satellite to Halo

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Speaker 1: First off, it's incredibly heavy. It's nine hundred and thirty

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it's not heavy in space, but

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Speaker 1: And it's not that large, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But it does have a nice big old antenna

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Speaker 3: that's four point two meters or fourteen feet for us,

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Speaker 3: and it receives the it receives X band signals from

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Speaker 3: the lander again, and then it sends them down to Earth.

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Speaker 3: Pretty cool stuff, and I guess it can also send

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Speaker 3: It's I don't know how anybody they are, but it's

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Speaker 3: just a cool idea of a micro satellite working in

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Speaker 3: conjunction with these. It's called the Dragon River one, Dragon

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Speaker 3: the second iteration made it and is still going strong.

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Speaker 1: Nice cute as a button. Can you imagine the Pixar

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Speaker 4: Man, an anthropomorphized microsatellite sounds, They're like.

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Speaker 3: Oh, in the it's like a brother and sister.

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Speaker 2: With Wally and that whole universe.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my gosh.

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Speaker 1: And they just want to help out the rover. We

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Speaker 1: the government wouldn't want to advertise any of the really

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Speaker 1: cool spooky stuff, right. So the lander has two cameras,

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Speaker 1: it has something I had not heard of, a neutron dosimeter,

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Speaker 1: and perhaps most interestingly, it has something called the lunar

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Speaker 1: micro ecosystem. This is so, this is mind blowing to me.

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Speaker 1: We've done experiments like this before our species, I mean,

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Speaker 3: And specifically on the Moon and specifically on the Moon.

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Speaker 1: Can we grow things on the moon? Huge question. They

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Speaker 1: have seeds of potatoes and a small flowering plant called arabidopsis.

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Speaker 1: I don't know you said got a pregnant positive.

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Speaker 2: the name. I figured it was Arapidosis speculorum.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, No, No, I think it's just arabidopsis. And

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Speaker 1: think so we'll see aribidopsis.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a small flowering plant. It belongs to the

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Speaker 1: mustard family. And the insect eggs were actually so worm cocoons.

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Speaker 3: Very nice. Now we mentioned those two cameras, you can

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Speaker 3: already see images. I guess it's a video that is

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Speaker 3: just an image sequence of the lander actually landing, and

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Speaker 3: it's always I mean, that's always fun to watch, and

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Speaker 3: it will be scoured over by the internet just for

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Speaker 3: the for the rest what fifty hundred years.

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Speaker 1: I go see the pixels.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, exactly, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. This mission was originally scheduled for December

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Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. It is meant to explore and assess this

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Speaker 1: and the aim here is to learn more about the

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Speaker 1: of technology needed to create a successful lunar colony. Right,

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Speaker 1: we've talked about it. We've talked about it. I cannot

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Speaker 1: wait to go. Oh my gosh, it's going to be dangerous.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be not the most luxurious place to live.

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Speaker 1: But wouldn't you go? Would you go? Would you go

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Speaker 1: to a moon colony? No? Why not?

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Speaker 3: Not?

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Speaker 2: Unless?

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Speaker 4: I like, not, unless stuff got so bad here that

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Speaker 4: it was like an absolute thing that was gonna save

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Speaker 4: min in my family's life.

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Speaker 2: I'm a big old whimp, you guys.

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Speaker 3: Not just to get in early, it's gonna say, not

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Speaker 3: just to visit at Like.

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Speaker 4: Flying to Los Angeles it takes like five hours and

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Speaker 2: Going to the Moon. That just sounds like a nightmare.

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Speaker 1: How long would it take?

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Speaker 2: Do we know this?

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Speaker 3: Here in the United States, the sun shoots you exactly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. The thing that makes the far side

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, right, I'm seriously, I really.

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Speaker 1: It obviously, right, Ye. So, as we could assume from

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but nineteen ninety nine used to sound equally astonishing.

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Speaker 3: That's sweet, nice word chaining you three.

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Speaker 3: To construct the lunar colony and then eventually have all

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Speaker 2: So it would be more like construction stuff.

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Speaker 1: Hot Takes with Matt Frederick? But we're still on the

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Speaker 1: show with you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think that's cool.

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Speaker 3: Hot Takes and Cool Shakes.

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Speaker 1: Ye, Hot Takes Cool Shakes.

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Speaker 3: Where we eat a different milkshake every day.

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Speaker 1: And then just say catty things about current events.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 4: How about this Hot Takes, Cool Shakes, rare steaks, all

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Speaker 4: of those together, that's a man's man's podcast.

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Speaker 3: Vapes Alright, I'm on that.

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Speaker 1: Our super producer Paul deck And just suggested, uh, what

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Speaker 1: was it, againt?

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Speaker 2: Paul? Paul said, Hot Takes and Cool Vapes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeahs like that will blow clouds while we.

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Speaker 2: Eye quake with anticipation to see what's next to.

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Speaker 1: This and the slant rhyme here Spidium segue would be

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Speaker 1: hot takes, cool vapes, rare steaks deep space. And the

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Speaker 1: third step in this plan is to collect lunar samples

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Speaker 1: from the near side of the Moon and send them

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Speaker 1: back to Earth. It just going in uh. This is

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Speaker 1: a task for Change five and the Change six missions,

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Speaker 1: and they get more and more advanced eventually. So the

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Speaker 1: big game changers are going to be Chang E seven

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Speaker 1: and eight, because CHANGI eight will hopefully include a three

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Speaker 1: D printing mechanism to begin fabricating structures that people will

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Speaker 1: eventually live in on the Moon, and it, like its predecessor,

468
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Speaker 1: will carry a small sealed ecosystem with it to see

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Speaker 1: how things grow over the long term. This is meant

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Speaker 1: to bring people. Initially it'll be scientists, but eventually it

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Speaker 1: will just be a breeding population to bring human beings

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Speaker 1: to the Moon and build a permanent outpost somewhere near

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Speaker 1: the lunar south Pole. Overall, this seems to be a

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Speaker 1: well planned out, ambitious yet reasoned push to expand human knowledge.

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Speaker 1: China came very late to the space race. Their first

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Speaker 1: satellite was launched in nineteen seventy, well after human beings

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Speaker 1: officially landed on the Moon, but China has invested billions

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Speaker 1: of dollars in the space race ever since. And it

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Speaker 1: shows go humanity, right, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Go humanity. Let's all get to the Moon first and

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Speaker 3: build a base first.

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Speaker 1: Right. Some critics believe there's more to the story, and

483
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Speaker 1: here's where it gets crazy. Yeah, the KLEP program has

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Speaker 1: raised alarms in other space programs NASA, Jackson so on,

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Speaker 1: as well as countries across the planet, and with good reason.

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Speaker 1: This isn't just paranoid Cold war thinking. It goes back

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Speaker 1: to what we would call the militarization of space, which

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Speaker 1: is against the closest thing we have to global law, right.

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Speaker 1: And the problem is that a lot of the things

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Speaker 1: you could develop for peaceful exploration are also things you

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Speaker 1: could use for non peaceful purposes. It's called dual use technology.

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Speaker 1: So when you guys remember back when, back when there

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Speaker 1: was that cover story about the existence of weapons of

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Speaker 1: mass destruction to justify adventurism in the Middle.

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Speaker 3: East, what that happened.

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Speaker 1: Well, one of the big concerns there was the idea

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Speaker 1: of dual use technology. The same enrichment process you use

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Speaker 1: to build a relatively safe nuclear power plant is the

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Speaker 1: same enrichment process you use to build weapons. But the

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Speaker 1: only thing that really changes is the number of iterations,

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Speaker 1: right that the number of times you go through that process.

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Speaker 1: And in a way, space technology is similar. Although laws

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Speaker 1: prevent the militarization of space, these are pretty tough to enforce, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, what are you gonna, what are you gonna

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Speaker 1: You're gonna send the cops, Yeah, the space cops. We

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Speaker 1: don't even have Space Force.

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Speaker 2: Yet, not yet. Did you have about the Steve Carrell

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Speaker 2: show Space Forces?

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Speaker 3: It gonna be like the Office, but in space, I

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Speaker 3: hear tell, And I'm trying not to get too excited about.

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Speaker 1: Why isn't that just the Orville?

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Speaker 4: I think the Orville is much more of a Star Trek. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I've heard it's great, so I haven't seen it.

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Speaker 1: I've seen it's good, So this will just be the

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Speaker 1: Office in space.

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Speaker 4: That's what I thought. That was the one line pitch.

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Speaker 4: That's obviously the lowest hanging fruit type show for Steve

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Speaker 4: Carell to do.

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Speaker 2: But I don't know. I'm intrigued.

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Speaker 1: I'll check it out. I'll check it out. Let us

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Speaker 1: know if you think it's going to be a bomb

522
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: or if you think it's it's going to be a

523
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Speaker 1: new age in space based comedy, I think TV shows.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 3: True Detective season three.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, are you caught up?

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Speaker 2: Dude?

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Speaker 1: It's really good.

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 4: It's really really good. Because I did not like the

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Speaker 4: second season. It lost me and I wanted to like it.

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Speaker 4: I was really trepidacious about season three. But I think

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Speaker 4: it's fantastic.

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Speaker 1: People would have liked the second season if it was

535
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Speaker 1: not built as True Detective season two, if it had

536
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Speaker 1: just been like, look at Vince Vaughan again, looking as

537
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: though he needs to sleep, which is how Vince Vaughn

538
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: often looks. He's a hard working guy. He's a hard

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Speaker 1: working dude. So one way nations have historically tried to

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Speaker 1: ease these tensions, you know, try to relax and chill

541
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Speaker 1: out a bit, is through scientific collaboration, international assistance, with research,

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Speaker 1: funding and manufacturing. We see this happen in Antarctica in

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Speaker 1: the South Pole. Here researchers stay at the compounds of

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Speaker 1: other nations all the time. Right, That's why we did

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Speaker 1: that episode, didn't we on what happens if someone commits

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Speaker 1: a murder into Antarctica? Yeah, it gets complicated. We did that,

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Speaker 1: ridiculous history, We did that, Okay, so it is worth

548
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Speaker 1: checking out. The answer is not simple. The problem here

549
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Speaker 1: is that we can't have the scientific collaboration that eases

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Speaker 1: concerns about dual use technology because there's a US law

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Speaker 1: from twenty eleven that bans any official contact with Chinese

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Speaker 1: space officials. This exacerbates the already thick tensions and miasma

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Speaker 1: of mistrust.

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Speaker 3: Wow, And that is why in recent history, Vice President

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Speaker 3: Michael Pence he went to the Pentagon. This was in

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Speaker 3: January as well, and he accused China and Russia of

557
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:09,479
Speaker 3: developing technologies and weapons to target US satellites and working

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Speaker 3: to bring new weapons of war into space itself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody acts aggressively on their own right. We're always

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Speaker 1: acting in defense of something.

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Speaker 3: Why would you guys take weapons of mass destruction into

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Speaker 3: space while we're doing it too, I'm just kidding. I

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Speaker 3: have no proof that we're doing that, but it.

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Speaker 1: Leads to ulterior motives. Well, I mean, what is the

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Speaker 1: X thirty seven B doing up there right? That is

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Speaker 1: the unmanned spacecraft that has orbited for more than one

567
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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty days before No one officially knows what

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Speaker 1: it's doing. So what if there are ulterior motives to

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Speaker 1: the newest the newest fouries into space by China, what

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Speaker 1: are they to quote Tom Waits building up there. This

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Speaker 1: builds on the concern about the militarization of space and

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Speaker 1: the next question becomes more specific, what are they making?

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Speaker 1: One guess would be a potentially massive resource mining business,

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Speaker 1: because China could potentially make an enormous windfall by transporting

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Speaker 1: fusion ready helium three. This is something that was new

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Speaker 1: to me. Were you guys aware of this?

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Speaker 3: We I believe we talked about it on a Moon

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Speaker 3: episode a while ago, or with the Mars episode, maybe

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Speaker 3: with Marshall Brain I can't remember, or maybe I've just

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Speaker 3: learned about this. God, I don't know. I thought I

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Speaker 3: talked with you about this. Ben Helium three a massive

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Speaker 3: source for future fuel, like what we're going to probably

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Speaker 3: be using, and the Moon has a whole heck of

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Speaker 3: a lot of it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Helium three is a is a very tasty nuclear fuel

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Speaker 1: because there are no neutrons generated as a product of

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Speaker 1: the reaction, and the protons that do get generated have charge,

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Speaker 1: and they can be safely contained using electromagnetic fields. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think you are right. We did talk a little

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Speaker 1: bit about this. Maybe the good mister brain people once

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Speaker 1: imagine that Saturn or Jupiter would be the right place

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Speaker 1: to get your hands on some helium three. But now

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Speaker 1: it looks like China has their site set on the Moon,

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Speaker 1: and we have a quote about how much stuff might

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Speaker 1: be up there.

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Speaker 4: This comes from Extreme Tech, and it says although the

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Speaker 4: Sun dispenses ample amounts of helium three wherever it blows,

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Speaker 4: the Earth is largely shielded from this windfall by its

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Speaker 4: own magnetic field, and the little we do have is

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Speaker 4: mostly generated by various terrestrial processes like cosmic ray bombardment

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Speaker 4: and even relic sources from leftover nuclear warheads. The Moon,

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Speaker 4: on the other hand, is a far more concentrated depot,

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Speaker 4: with up to five million tons conveniently embedded in its

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Speaker 4: top surface layer.

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Speaker 1: So it's not even that difficult to mine it.

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Speaker 2: No, no, it's not buried deep.

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Speaker 1: In the lunar surface.

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Speaker 3: But guys, you're changing the Moon if you take that

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Speaker 3: stuff off. You know what I'm saying, like an escape.

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Speaker 3: If you mind enough of this helium three, what are

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Speaker 3: you going to do to the not only the composition

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Speaker 3: of the moon, but also, oh, I don't know the

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Speaker 3: mass of the moon. If we mind it the way

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Speaker 3: we you know, we take down trees in the Amazon, like,

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Speaker 3: good lord, we're gonna have a hollow moon.

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Speaker 1: You know, I get the feeling that you're thirty percent joking, yes,

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Speaker 1: but seventy percent raising a legit concern, right, Yeah, it's true.

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Speaker 1: It's that that's one ulterior motive, and it's potentially it

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Speaker 1: potentially could be an ecological disaster or an astronomical disaster,

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Speaker 1: perhaps because you know, I wonder would they ever actually

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Speaker 1: mind so much of a resource off the moon? Would

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Speaker 1: humanity ever mind so much of a thing off the

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Speaker 1: Moon that it does affect its mass and its orbit.

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Speaker 3: I can't imagine that it would happen anytime in the

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Speaker 3: near future, and by that I mean hundreds and hundreds

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Speaker 3: of years. But still we would be mining it for

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Speaker 3: a while. Why would we stop mining it unless we

628
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Speaker 3: could at least prove that, oh, it's gonna crash into

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Speaker 3: the Earth now, or you know, we're gonna change the

630
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Speaker 3: tide's X amount because of this. And I can't even

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Speaker 3: imagine helium having enough of an effect on any of

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Speaker 3: that stuff just with the amount of mass it has

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Speaker 3: in volume all.

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Speaker 1: That, But what if that's a What if that's a

635
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Speaker 1: cover story as well? What if the mining is cover story?

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Speaker 1: What if they're looking for something else. According to one

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Speaker 1: of the United Kingdom's favorite tabloids, The Sun, last year

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, a guy named Carl Wolf, the technician at

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Speaker 1: the Air Force Tactical Air Command Headquarters in Langley, Virginia,

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Speaker 1: claim to have discovered artificial structures on the far side

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Speaker 1: of the Moon.

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Speaker 3: Go on.

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Speaker 1: They found strange shapes and images taken by the Lunar

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Speaker 1: Reconnaissance Orbiter, a probe that circled the Moon since back

645
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Speaker 1: in nine and according to Wolf, these were structures that

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Speaker 1: were definitely not created by natural means such as meteors

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Speaker 1: or ancient collisions with other heavenly bodies. He believes that

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Speaker 1: the structures were quote created by intelligent beings. Most noticeable

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Speaker 1: was what looked like radar antenna is very similar to

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Speaker 1: what you could see on Earth.

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Speaker 3: Hold on, Yeah, what is going on here? This is

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Speaker 3: a gentleman that appears to have some credentials from the

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Speaker 3: Air Force Tactical Air Command Headquarters that is saying these

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Speaker 3: things nol.

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Speaker 2: Why Noel?

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Speaker 3: What does that mean? We've been here before? Someone has

657
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Speaker 3: been here before and set up all of like maybe

658
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Speaker 3: a base is already there. What what is happening to you? Guys?

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Speaker 1: I you know what, I'm gonna let that simmer because

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Speaker 1: I have an update for that, but I was I

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Speaker 1: wanted to save it for the end of the day show.

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Speaker 2: Is that?

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, it's going be a weird update for everybody

664
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Speaker 1: to know going in. It's going to be a weird one.

665
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Speaker 1: But for now, let's just remember that Carl Wolf, technician

666
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Speaker 1: Air Force Tactical Air Command, totally believes there are structures

667
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Speaker 1: of some sort that did not occur naturally that exist

668
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Speaker 1: on the far side.

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Speaker 3: Of the Moon, and they have evidence from pictures.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and has, in his opinion, visual evidence.

671
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Speaker 4: Oh guys, let's take a quick pause and then have

672
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Speaker 4: a word from our sponsor, and we're back with more

673
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 4: for you about returning to the Moon.

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Speaker 1: There are other people who argue that maybe we're opening

675
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Speaker 1: a door we shouldn't open. There are some conspiracy theorists

676
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: who say that the probe could put us all in

677
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 1: mortal danger, arguing that alien races living on the Moon

678
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Speaker 1: to go with us here for a second, could see

679
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Speaker 1: the landing as an act of war against their space,

680
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Speaker 1: potentially with devastating consequences. Other people believe that the dark

681
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Speaker 1: side of the Moon is peppered by craters left by

682
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Speaker 1: secret NASA military bombings.

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Speaker 3: Okay, bombing.

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Speaker 2: Wait, you mean like from when we tried to blow

685
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Speaker 2: up the moon, Yeah, or.

686
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Speaker 3: When we tried to blow up the alien races that

687
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Speaker 3: are living.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

689
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no.

690
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Speaker 4: But there's that whole story where we were trying to

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Speaker 4: intimidate other countries by shooting missiles of the Moon that

692
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Speaker 4: would make a big cloud that they could see to

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Speaker 4: demonstrate our superiority.

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Speaker 2: Didn't Is this that I make this opposite?

695
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: No, that's true. That's the thing that really happened. It

696
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: never got past the planning stages. But that's what it's rights.

697
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 1: That's what mister Show was referencing and their famous blow

698
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Speaker 1: up the Moon sketch.

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Speaker 4: So you're saying, there are craters that possibly were left

700
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Speaker 4: by some version of what we're talking about that did happen.

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Speaker 1: People, there are people who believe it. Yes, that's interesting.

702
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 1: I myself, it's I am of the opinion that it

703
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,439
Speaker 1: seems like a lot of trouble to go to, right,

704
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: especially given the propaganda you would want to detonate something

705
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Speaker 1: like that on the Earth facing side.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but if you were an alien community or in

707
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Speaker 3: an extraterrestrial community living, existing on that dark side of

708
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Speaker 3: the Moon would be pretty advantageous.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it'd be dope.

710
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Speaker 3: You're not going to be found, You're not getting you know,

711
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 3: you can actually make your own radio programs and not

712
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 3: get interrupted by all the noise.

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Speaker 1: This this theory first arose in two thousand and nine

714
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Speaker 1: after NASA deliberately fired a rocket and satellite into the

715
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Speaker 1: lunar surface. They said it was an attempt to kick

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Speaker 1: up moon dust so they could analyze this debris from

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Speaker 1: Earth and determine if the Moon held any water. So

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00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: that's that's their that's their story, all right, Matt, Matt, Yeah,

719
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Speaker 1: are you over the lies of Big NASA?

720
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Speaker 3: No, it's just not as much fun, that's all it is.

721
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 3: We're gonna look at a cloud, study its content.

722
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Speaker 1: But it's important if you want to build a colony

723
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Speaker 1: on the Moon. This is the more long term question,

724
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Speaker 1: and it reminds us, It reminds me, at least of

725
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Speaker 1: that Martial Brain episode where he walked us through his

726
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: thought experiment on how to set up a Martian society.

727
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: He had some pretty articulated social theories, right, And one

728
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Speaker 1: thing that's almost inescapable, whether you're talking the Moon or Mars,

729
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Speaker 1: is that after some amount of time, any actual self

730
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Speaker 1: sustaining non Earth colony will eventually inevitably become an independent entity,

731
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Speaker 1: kind of like the colonies in North and South America

732
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Speaker 1: when it used to be called the New World. The

733
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Speaker 1: cost of transportation and governance eventually became too high for

734
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Speaker 1: the European powers, and the terrestrial overlords of the future

735
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Speaker 1: will also have a tough time maintaining control unless they

736
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Speaker 1: bake in some specific, unchangeable dependencies. They probably want rule

737
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Speaker 1: the Moon for long. Maybe they would have to do

738
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Speaker 1: something like be the gatekeepers of food supply, right, or

739
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Speaker 1: be able to turn off the air or something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but then that all changes as soon as the

741
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Speaker 3: colony is self sustaining and you're growing plants and some

742
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Speaker 3: kind of biosphere thing, you know, I mean, quickly the

743
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Speaker 3: colony becomes in control of itself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if the colony doesn't collapse under its own the

745
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 1: weight of its own social functioning, right, I mean, look,

746
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: we've all seen Biodome. It is a harrowing exploration of

747
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Speaker 1: the human psyche.

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Speaker 3: It really is almost the documentary.

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Speaker 1: Almost its documentary. I believe the future will prove it

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Speaker 1: to be so, right, I.

751
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,240
Speaker 3: Squeeze the juice, wheeze the juice or whatever.

752
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:49,280
Speaker 1: He's still out there.

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00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 2: He's wheezing the juice to this day. So there was

754
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Speaker 2: from Encino Man too, But I know I don't through.

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Speaker 1: Both of those. Yeah, didn't just have the set catchphrases

756
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Speaker 1: that he said in every film.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think so.

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Speaker 4: I think Wee's in the Juice was pretty specifically, and

759
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 4: in the Sino Man when they go to the convenience

760
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Speaker 4: store and they terrorized that poor clerk by whueezing the jews,

761
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Speaker 4: which is basically theft because they're just stealing slurpy juice

762
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Speaker 4: and it's very unsanitary. He's just putting his mouth right

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Speaker 4: on the slurpy nepple.

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Speaker 3: It really is.

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Speaker 1: But they probably faked a lot of that, right. The

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Speaker 1: cashier was a paid actor. They didn't actually break into

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Speaker 1: a thing.

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Speaker 2: What you're saying, Sina Man wasn't a documentary.

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Speaker 1: Then it's not. No, it's a speculative nonfiction. I see

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Speaker 1: if that feels better. This leads us to one of

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Speaker 1: the last questions about the lunar landing in the Chinese

772
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Speaker 1: Lunar Landing project, which is, of course we all saw

773
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Speaker 1: this coming, did they fake it? The rumors about a

774
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,720
Speaker 1: hoax were started by a guy named Scott C. Warring

775
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Speaker 1: of UFO Sightings Daily, and he said, I guess China

776
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: may have decided since NASA faked the first Apollo moon

777
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Speaker 1: landing and got away with it, then China won it

778
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: in on it too. And he supports his evidence by

779
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Speaker 1: doing the same thing that Carl Wolf did, which is saying,

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Speaker 1: look at the original photo. You'll see there are no

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Speaker 1: other lines in the entire giant panoramic photo. OMG, this

782
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 1: is so very disappointing. Note the lack of moon rocks

783
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Speaker 1: on the entire surface of the Moon, which is exactly

784
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Speaker 1: what the first Apollo moon landing also showed a sign

785
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Speaker 1: of being faked on a stage. What I know. For him,

786
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: this is like a smoking smoking gun. And as we

787
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Speaker 1: mentioned before, a lot of people, a surprising amount of

788
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: people got behind this, because you know, twenty one million

789
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: people in the US alone still believe the moon landings

790
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: were faked for one reason or another. And if you

791
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: were one of those twenty one million people, we'd love

792
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: to hear your story. You can write to us directly.

793
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 1: You can find us on the Instagrams, the twitters and

794
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: the facebooks. But where does this leave us? All? Now?

795
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Speaker 2: Here?

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Speaker 1: We are now, it's the twenty nineteen is we record this?

797
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: Things are about to go. Nuts and bananas on our

798
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Speaker 1: nearest rocky relative out there.

799
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Speaker 3: In orbit, Nuts and bananas on the moon.

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Speaker 1: Nuts and bananas on the moon.

801
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Speaker 3: Yeah, We've never thought about pairing those with the cheese

802
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 3: unless it was like a fine breeze. Maybe moon cheese. Yeah,

803
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 3: isn't the Moon made out of cheese?

804
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Speaker 4: Well, moon cheese is a very specific snack available at

805
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Speaker 4: your local Starbucks and health food stores.

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Speaker 1: I think yeah, And the moon is probably made out

807
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Speaker 1: of cheese with very high helium three content. So I

808
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Speaker 1: don't know what side of the argument that puts you

809
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Speaker 1: on map that. I just want you to be aware

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Speaker 1: of that.

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Speaker 3: Okay, thank you, absolutely no, but you're right, Yes, it's

812
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Speaker 3: going it's gonna get very busy up on the moon.

813
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Speaker 3: And it's cool to think that in the next twenty years,

814
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Speaker 3: Like the timelines that are mapped out for the Chengi

815
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 3: I guess the program and then as well as the

816
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 3: United State, it's trying to get up there. It's around

817
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 3: twenty thirty something, I think when all this stuff will

818
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 3: be completed. If you look at the US and China,

819
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 3: that's not that far away, and we could possibly see

820
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 3: lunar colonies. That is still mind blowing to me. But

821
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 3: all kidding aside, Beijing is careful distress that everything it's

822
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 3: doing on the Moon at this point and everything that's planning,

823
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 3: it's all peaceful motives. They're doing with peaceful motives in

824
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 3: exploring space. However, I mean, we have to just we

825
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 3: have to remember that the United States used China and

826
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Speaker 3: Russia as a potential threat to national security, and that's

827
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Speaker 3: why our current president, Donald Trump, he called for the

828
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Speaker 3: establishment of a space force by twenty twenty, a Space

829
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Speaker 3: Force NOL. That sounds familiar.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited about it.

831
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Speaker 1: Yeah. The problem is that most of this stuff, again,

832
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Speaker 1: you can say that you're developing it for peaceful means

833
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Speaker 1: all the livelong day. It doesn't take away the fact

834
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Speaker 1: that one really could turn it into turn some of

835
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Speaker 1: these technologies into weapons of war. The US and other

836
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Speaker 1: would be space vary nations obviously don't want to be

837
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Speaker 1: left out or caught defenseless. That is why on December eleventh,

838
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,720
Speaker 1: the forty fifth anniversary the Apollo seventeenth lunar landing aka

839
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Speaker 1: the last time people walked on the Moon, President Trump

840
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 1: signed the Space Policy direct of one. It directs NASTAG

841
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Speaker 1: to take astronauts to the Moon with the help of

842
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Speaker 1: the US commercial space industry. So SpaceX l on Musk,

843
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: I'm sure is up in there. Yet there is very

844
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Speaker 1: little detail on exactly how and when this might happen

845
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Speaker 1: and how much the White House will spend, and in

846
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Speaker 1: the meantime, the clock is ticking. Would you like to

847
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: hear that last somewhat unpleasant.

848
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Speaker 3: Update, Yes, I do, But I do want to add

849
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Speaker 3: this one bit of information that I got from NASA Dokov.

850
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 3: They've got a graphic that has the exploration campaign written

851
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 3: out up until twenty thirty, and it kind of gives

852
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,720
Speaker 3: you a timeline. But none of this stuff is solid,

853
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 3: and it's all basically what we hope to achieve, and

854
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 3: you can find it on there.

855
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: When you have to aim for the stars quite literally

856
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: in this instance, here's the weird update. That guy Carl

857
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Speaker 1: wolf who said that he had seen pictures of a

858
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Speaker 1: secret alien base on the Dark side of the Moon

859
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Speaker 1: during his time as a sergeant at Langley in nineteen

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Speaker 1: sixty five. Okay, in I want to say October of

861
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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen or somewhere thereabouts. He was killed and was

862
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: struck by a tractor trailer riding his bicycle on October tenth, actually,

863
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: and police were investigating the incident, but there were no

864
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Speaker 1: charges filed. The sheriff refrain from releasing the driver's name.

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Speaker 1: This is someone who had contacted doctor Stephen Greer as well.

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Speaker 2: Our buddy Steve Greer.

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Speaker 1: Carl Wolfe was in and of this world, but at

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Speaker 1: this time authorities do not suspect foul play. Buddy. He did,

869
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: unfortunately pass away. So for some people that's going to

870
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Speaker 1: indicate that he was a whistleblower. From other people, it's

871
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: just going to indicate how dangerous traffic is. The choices

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Speaker 1: up to you.

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Speaker 3: Wow, Well, now I'm going to go and find myself

874
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Speaker 3: researching that for the next at least nine hours.

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Speaker 1: Yes, sorry, Matt, it's okay. I should have opened with that,

876
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Speaker 1: but we want to hear from you do you think

877
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Speaker 1: the space race is a noble thing? Do you think

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Speaker 1: the countries involved are being transparent in their motives? Is

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Speaker 1: the government of China setting up a massive operation or

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Speaker 1: something more sinister? Or's this snocuous and everybody's just being alarmist.

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Speaker 1: We want to hear from you. Find us on Instagram, Facebook,

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Speaker 1: and Twitter. You can see our community page. Here's where

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Speaker 1: it gets crazy, where you will meet our favorite part

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Speaker 1: of the show, your fellow listeners.

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Speaker 4: If you want to get up in me and Ben's

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Speaker 4: personal business, you can check me out at Embryonic Insider

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Speaker 4: on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: And I am at Ben Bolan on Instagram in a

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Speaker 1: burst of creativity.

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Speaker 3: And you will never find me on Instagram.

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Speaker 2: I can't even find you.

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Speaker 3: I have an account, but you'll never find it.

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Speaker 2: That's very on brand for Matt Frederick, though I appreciate

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Speaker 2: that about you.

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Speaker 3: I'm only kidding. It's like my name hsw or something.

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Speaker 3: You can find it, but you know, don't follow me

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Speaker 3: or whatever you do on Instagram.

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Speaker 4: Follow yourself, Follow you, okay, follow your rs and your

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Speaker 4: nose to the delicious taste of fruit loops.

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Speaker 3: You can also and that's the end of this classic episode.

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