Speaker 1: Morning. On today's episode, you will hear spoilers for X
Speaker 1: Men ninety seven season two, season finale, Survival of the
Speaker 1: Fittest Be warned. Hello and.
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Speaker 2: What's news In today's episode, we got news for you.
Speaker 3: It's the end of season two of X Men ninety seven,
Speaker 3: the animated series, ab out of it.
Speaker 2: We're loving it.
Speaker 3: It's been absolutely crazy and I'm sure this is just
Speaker 3: going to be another crazy episode, so we're gonna recap it.
Speaker 3: Then we're going to bring in super producer Aaron and
Speaker 3: former super producer.
Speaker 2: Happy to have him back. Ian I.
Speaker 3: A'm I going to be talking about this season, what
Speaker 3: it did right, what worked for us, and what we
Speaker 3: want to see next.
Speaker 1: We open on Cable talking about his life's dream, which
Speaker 1: is to kill Apocalypse. His body was created for He
Speaker 1: is the Jesus Christ of killing Apocalypse. That's why he
Speaker 1: is on this earth. That's why he went to the
Speaker 1: far past and talked with ship and got the had
Speaker 1: a psychic affair, I guess, and that's why Ship gave
Speaker 1: him the bionic arm in the ability to keep his
Speaker 1: techno organic virus in check. It's all so he could
Speaker 1: kill Apocalypse. Apocalypse is still inside Gambit's psyche looking for
Speaker 1: a way to.
Speaker 2: Not happy about it.
Speaker 1: You break out, and I guess, take take over Gambit's body,
Speaker 1: so it would be Apocalypse but looks like Gambit. Beast, Rogue,
Speaker 1: and Nightcrawler find ship speaking of ship.
Speaker 4: Oh high.
Speaker 1: Ship Beast reboots her and she says, listen, Apocalypse, I
Speaker 1: understand that you want to kill him, but understand that
Speaker 1: he's part of a bigger process. You kill him, the
Speaker 1: Celestials are going to be really upset because they had
Speaker 1: He's a chess piece for them. Rogo wants to enter
Speaker 1: the Celestial Shrine in order to gainst because the Celestials
Speaker 1: created him. Only celestial power can destroy him, and so
Speaker 1: she wants to go in there and get this power.
Speaker 1: That Crawl warns that, babe, nothing comes for free if
Speaker 1: you go in and what are you thinking? You think
Speaker 1: you're just going to give it to you and you're
Speaker 1: gonna be.
Speaker 3: A're gonna give it because also, like if we look
Speaker 3: at the comics, Like the only reason that she's even
Speaker 3: really thinking of this is it not like like in
Speaker 3: the comics, we know that essentially Apocalypse used like celestial technology.
Speaker 2: He was able to try to merge with it.
Speaker 3: So he's not a celestial but he is this kind
Speaker 3: of connective tissue between mutants and.
Speaker 1: Celestials, right ye s on the searcher, the specific celestial
Speaker 1: who empowered him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's like it's this really interesting moment and
Speaker 3: also just like such an immense osk, Like this isn't
Speaker 3: just a side quest for the X Men. This is
Speaker 3: like maybe the whole world changes because you asked for it.
Speaker 3: I just I don't know if it is. I don't
Speaker 3: know if it is worth the price. I think he's right.
Speaker 1: The combined forces of X Factor and X Force are
Speaker 1: flying towards the ex Corp Power and doctor Cooper facetimes
Speaker 1: into Xavier and is like, listen, we're not here to
Speaker 1: arrest anybody. We just want to save mutants, but we're
Speaker 1: going to need to kill Gambit Matt Apocalypse and therefore
Speaker 1: save the world, and that is a non negotiable. So
Speaker 1: Charles not negotiating. Charles, you need to hand him over
Speaker 1: right now, or we're going to come in there and
Speaker 1: we're going to kill him anyway. Crazy Charles of course
Speaker 1: is not going to snitch like that. Whenever you think
Speaker 1: about Charles, he's not like that.
Speaker 3: He's always going to be like no, but he's going
Speaker 3: to be like a Captain America and he's going to
Speaker 3: get in a fight for his friends, like even if
Speaker 3: it's going to cause an international incident.
Speaker 2: Charles will do that.
Speaker 3: He's done it many times for Magneto and Gambit is
Speaker 3: one of his faiths. So yeah, this this makes a
Speaker 3: lot of sense. So there's a big, big fight over
Speaker 3: will the will X Force get to kill again X
Speaker 3: Factor X Force except the evil Like I mean they
Speaker 3: they basically have the sentinels in this fight, right Essentially.
Speaker 1: You would think then, wouldn't that be when you're like, man,
Speaker 1: what am I doing?
Speaker 2: I think that's.
Speaker 3: When like if you have a called even like even Charles,
Speaker 3: I feel like would have to be like, wait, this
Speaker 3: is more of a threat like Polaric Technology. I bet
Speaker 3: you Polaris seeing this is like I made the right decision.
Speaker 2: To go back to the X Men. This is crazy.
Speaker 2: And also because she's there with her new everyone's new favorite.
Speaker 3: Slarn Bishop oh standing got her a gallop shocked.
Speaker 2: Don't wake him up with all that sexual energy frigeoning
Speaker 2: over the top of him.
Speaker 1: Guys, come on, I think that the the hair of
Speaker 1: their child, if they ever hadn't imagine, would be so
Speaker 1: insane luxurious green law what color question? I know, but
Speaker 1: maybe it.
Speaker 3: Gleams in different lights, you know, kind of like a
Speaker 3: beautiful peacock feather.
Speaker 2: I could see it.
Speaker 1: That's great. Rogue meets s on the Seles show, who
Speaker 1: Empowered and Sabor. He tells her that you shouldn't be
Speaker 1: here and also, what is this weird soul gem that
Speaker 1: you got from the Apocalypse's the rama Tut's ex girlfriend
Speaker 1: who then became the deity of the Assassin's Guild.
Speaker 2: And getting and she's she's what is going on? Girl?
Speaker 2: Get bad taste.
Speaker 1: Rogue is like, listen, I need to save Gambut's life,
Speaker 1: and you're the only way I can do it. I
Speaker 1: need the power. Essaun basically says, listen, do we need
Speaker 1: Gambit Like was hen.
Speaker 3: He's asking the right questions because, like, these motherfuckers are
Speaker 3: going through a lot to save this any man who
Speaker 3: already died and I get this is why because he
Speaker 3: already died.
Speaker 2: But like, Eson's asking a good question here, like what
Speaker 2: does he bring?
Speaker 1: Like what was he good to begin with?
Speaker 2: Is the implication here?
Speaker 3: Like everything when I'm wrong when Gambit died on Genosha,
Speaker 3: like because that is kind of I feel like what
Speaker 3: they're trying to say.
Speaker 2: But it's interesting.
Speaker 1: Here's what I'll say about Gambit. It was never about
Speaker 1: despite how erotic it was, this just about rogue, like
Speaker 1: h like getting in the getting in the tights. He's
Speaker 1: it was more more than that he felt an emotion.
Speaker 1: There's an emotional connection there for Gambit, to be fair,
Speaker 1: But I agree with you that Essen's asking the right question,
Speaker 1: which is like what a Gambit really do? Like let's
Speaker 1: look at the resume. He then offers her a deal,
Speaker 1: and of course it was going to be this your
Speaker 1: life for his and she's like immediate, yes. He gives
Speaker 1: her the celestial power in order to kill Apocalypse, save Remy.
Speaker 1: She exits the celestial shrine and she's got like this
Speaker 1: angela style.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a kind of like a celestial time.
Speaker 3: I think it's in a ton of Lama and yeah,
Speaker 3: it looks like definitely looks like Angela froms Born.
Speaker 1: She's like Kurt, Kurt, thank you so much, I've got
Speaker 1: the power now and night Crawler like no, Kurt is
Speaker 1: like no way.
Speaker 2: They stood instantly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's going to pay with her life. X Factor
Speaker 1: attacks to kill Gambut. Meanwhile, we get to see the classic,
Speaker 1: I think, the classic X four X Factor lineup of
Speaker 1: strong Guy, Siren, Wolf Spain and h Jamie, the multiple
Speaker 1: man attack that you know the second they're the second
Speaker 1: version of any but I think I think, yeah, Cooper
Speaker 1: orders Cable to go in for the kill, which was
Speaker 1: now you're gilding the lily because value. You don't need
Speaker 1: to tell him to do that. That's his whole reason.
Speaker 3: For like like he he literally was like incepted from
Speaker 3: his dad's bulls to do this.
Speaker 2: We didn't have a chance. This is.
Speaker 1: If I'm Cable. I'm like, you don't just be quiet.
Speaker 1: I know what I'm here to do. Michael Jordan to
Speaker 1: score the ball like I'm here then uh. He then
Speaker 1: ends up in a fight with his parents as they
Speaker 1: are trying to be you know, they give him that
Speaker 1: classic Gene and Scutt Nathan please just you're our son
Speaker 1: and we love you so much and don't do this
Speaker 1: go over in and more fight siloc An archangel, Havoc
Speaker 1: and Jubilee have a dogfight with the ex Jets. Havoc
Speaker 1: is ejected. There's a lot of trash talking in this
Speaker 1: wonderful dogfight.
Speaker 3: I love to see Jubilee get this win.
Speaker 1: Yes, I love that X Factor is about to overpower
Speaker 1: Bishop and Polaris when a playing card explodes and it's Gambit,
Speaker 1: and now Cable has kind of like managed to elude
Speaker 1: Cyclops and Gene and he's the tower is collapsing now
Speaker 1: and he finds Gambit, shoots Gambit, but Gambit's body awakens
Speaker 1: and is reborn into the fully fleshed out one Apocalypse,
Speaker 1: and he easily smites everybody, X Men.
Speaker 4: X Force, X Factor.
Speaker 1: They're all as Apocalypse turns to Professor X Rogue in
Speaker 1: full celestial angela armor arrives and is like, it's you
Speaker 1: and me now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she sort of does like a Subera landing that's
Speaker 3: like a Fantastic four style kind of ripple energy that deep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like an implication of an opposite.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like an opposite whatever Apocalypse's energy is.
Speaker 2: This is the opposite of that.
Speaker 1: Rogue then drains Apocalypse's energy and traps him in the
Speaker 1: externals gem or a different soul gem.
Speaker 2: Maybe yem, I think maybe Rogan.
Speaker 1: Gambit embrace and he's normal now. Her celestial armor fades away,
Speaker 1: she sees beasts arrived. He's just by himself. Nightcrawler went
Speaker 1: through the shot shrine after her, you know, offering of course,
Speaker 1: and that's crazy in that traditional curt way of being, like,
Speaker 1: I know she traded her life for Gambit. Let me
Speaker 1: trade my life for hers, and I'll stay here and
Speaker 1: then they can be alive together.
Speaker 2: And be again happy, and everyone will be happy.
Speaker 1: And we see a montage of the X Men, including
Speaker 1: Gambit and Rogue embracing. It's this wonderful, like really heartfelt moment.
Speaker 1: Esson asks him how he can be sure his sacrifice
Speaker 1: will bring forth all of this happiness that he imagines
Speaker 1: will happen when he's gone, you know, with the with
Speaker 1: the anchor of that being Gambit and Rogue having finally
Speaker 1: their life together. And he says, you know, because I
Speaker 1: have faith in Jesus Christ as a Catholic, as a
Speaker 1: Catholic man, That's why a Catholic men then deeply Catholic men,
Speaker 1: I have faith. Post credits scene, President Kelly has lost
Speaker 1: to Sabertooth's son Graydon Creed Sabertooth and Mystique son. He
Speaker 1: will be the next president of the United States. The
Speaker 1: number of the I guess at that time with like
Speaker 1: the forty fourth President of the United States or something.
Speaker 1: Doctor Cooper walks into her offices and guess who's sitting there.
Speaker 1: She's sitting there. It's got to be a mystique.
Speaker 2: You had to see that in the memoir.
Speaker 1: Mystique then assassinates vow something and steals I know she does,
Speaker 1: and then steals X Factor's files about her classic mystique shit.
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break and we'll be back. Let's
Speaker 1: bring in our former super producer good friend Ian as
Speaker 1: well as super producer Aaron to discuss this episode end,
Speaker 1: the end of the season, the end of season two
Speaker 1: of X Men ninety seven, folks, and let's start with
Speaker 1: you Apocalypse was Was Apocalypse enough of a big bad
Speaker 1: Did they do enough to build the season on Apocalypse
Speaker 1: as the main bad guy?
Speaker 4: I think to the point that we've been making all season.
Speaker 4: I think they sped through the storyline way too fast,
Speaker 4: and I think we could have spent a lot more
Speaker 4: time on it. I think the arc of him, you know,
Speaker 4: like back in Egypt and then in the present, him
Speaker 4: rising to power, gathering his horsemen, that could have been
Speaker 4: the whole season. And I think like ending the season
Speaker 4: with the reveal of Gambit as death would have been
Speaker 4: like a great cliffhanger to end the season. I just
Speaker 4: feel like we rushed through everything. But I will say
Speaker 4: there were some standout moments, like the scene where Apocalypse
Speaker 4: kills Magneto, Like that was amazing. I think that was
Speaker 4: a really powerful moment, But even that, I feel like
Speaker 4: it was addressed like an episode later in the Danger episode,
Speaker 4: and then it's like, all right, now, Charles is good
Speaker 4: and like ex corp, let's keep it moving. So I
Speaker 4: just I feel like for a character and an iconic
Speaker 4: as a villain as Apocalypse is, I feel like we
Speaker 4: moved through it really quickly. Like I assume at some
Speaker 4: point he will be back, because he's just trapped in
Speaker 4: that gem for now. I mean, I have to imagine
Speaker 4: at some point he'll escape. But I just feel like
Speaker 4: they could have done more with him this season, and like,
Speaker 4: like we've been saying they just kind of rushed through
Speaker 4: it so quickly.
Speaker 1: Aaron, did you did anything, Did you see anything that
Speaker 1: would make you change your pitch for fixing the season? No?
Speaker 5: I think it strengthened that idea, you know. I after
Speaker 5: watching this episode, I thought a lot about Beyond Good
Speaker 5: and Evil, the four part series, like four part episodes
Speaker 5: that they had in the original anime series where Apocalypse
Speaker 5: is gathering all the psychics and bishop as they and like,
Speaker 5: you know, you have this whole like thing where he's
Speaker 5: kidnapping psychic mutants and he's we have Sinister, we have Magneto.
Speaker 5: Like that to me felt like a more blockbustery thing
Speaker 5: for Apocalypse to do in terms of like a movie
Speaker 5: or TV show. Here it was just like, so, wait,
Speaker 5: what was his plan all along to like inhabit Gambit's body?
Speaker 5: That was like the end goal. I don't I don't
Speaker 5: get it. So I love Apocalypse as a villain. I
Speaker 5: think he's one of those characters who, you know, he's
Speaker 5: not necessarily on a Thanos or Doctor Doom level, but
Speaker 5: he he's someone who I'm always excited to see X
Speaker 5: Men fight, and I just think he could. Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Think I think they did it right. I think that's
Speaker 2: how it's meant to be.
Speaker 3: But I agree this is kind of like, no, it's
Speaker 3: another slightly lacking representation post offskys.
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask this. This is actually a fascinating question.
Speaker 1: Head your head, Apocalypse versus Fanos, Apocalypse versus Doom, Who's
Speaker 1: who is winning? Assuming Apocalypse has time to you know,
Speaker 1: like the Batman Superman thing, he has had time. He's
Speaker 1: been planning this and he's like, I'm going to show
Speaker 1: everybody who the fucking baddest guy on the block is.
Speaker 1: I'm going to take down this person. Could he do it?
Speaker 2: I think Apocalypse could take Thanos in that case.
Speaker 3: I think if he had like three thousand years to plan,
Speaker 3: plus the celestial armor that he bonded with, plus his
Speaker 3: knowledge of Thanos's previous losses, plus his ability to create
Speaker 3: fourth horsemen meaning he probably has a connection to death,
Speaker 3: plus you know I should yeah right, I think that
Speaker 3: especially with the added time and the possibility for like
Speaker 3: you know, cables, time portals and going through time to
Speaker 3: learn stuff, I think Apocalypse could take it. I think
Speaker 3: Thanos can get easily blinded by like one mission, but
Speaker 3: Apocalypse is always thinking like twenty chest steps ahead of you.
Speaker 5: I also think if Apocalypse lost either of them, he'd
Speaker 5: be okay with it because he's like, you are You're
Speaker 5: the better, right.
Speaker 2: That's right. He'd actually be like, I can retire now.
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm just like please, that is actually true.
Speaker 1: That's good. That's a good call. I think he could
Speaker 1: beat Thanos even with the Gauntlet. I know that sounds crazy, No.
Speaker 3: I agree, I was. I was imagining with the Gauntlet
Speaker 3: for this question.
Speaker 1: I mean, but Thanos has gotten clapped with the Gauntlet before,
Speaker 1: so I think he could beat Thanos with the Gauntlet
Speaker 1: with enough planning time. And Doom I don't I'm not
Speaker 1: sure I think it would. I think Doom would probably
Speaker 1: beat him.
Speaker 4: But he's just smarter. I feel like he was just
Speaker 4: out smart.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's just I know in the comics, no one
Speaker 5: ever really dies, but in particular with the X Men
Speaker 5: animated series, I feel like Apocalypse he may have quote
Speaker 5: unquote lost, but he he he was always like hinted
Speaker 5: it at the end of said episode, like you never
Speaker 5: He's never truly gone. And so even here they don't
Speaker 5: kill him. They trap him in a gem. Oh, I'm
Speaker 5: sure that's not gonna.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry they trapped him in a gem.
Speaker 3: Can I just say, guys, like this is so it's
Speaker 3: just such a bad thing to do in a space
Speaker 3: where there's so many different like dimensions, trapped in different
Speaker 3: like fucking inanimate objects and ship like you know, this
Speaker 3: motherfucker is coming back.
Speaker 1: Can't we call Reed Richards and like drop this thing
Speaker 1: in a waste basket and the negative zone and more.
Speaker 3: Like you know, make it, like make it a necklace
Speaker 3: for Franklin or something like who can?
Speaker 2: Who can hold the power?
Speaker 3: Like you don't need why when Burt gets it back
Speaker 3: to Cable, I forgive this man a break.
Speaker 2: That's his whole life.
Speaker 3: If I was Cable, I just stamp on it, gets
Speaker 3: tracked inside, do something crazy with it, like get get like.
Speaker 1: Cloak of Cloak and Dagger to just like leave it
Speaker 1: in the Cloak dimension, like just put it somewhere, get
Speaker 1: rid of it, and.
Speaker 4: Like does a Nightcrawler when he teleports go through.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but Nightcrawler's gone, and oh that's true.
Speaker 4: He's yeah, he didn't make it.
Speaker 2: You're right, guys. The optic blasts, if you look into where.
Speaker 3: They come from, they actually come from a different dimension.
Speaker 3: So can his dad be putting the fucking put it
Speaker 3: in your head?
Speaker 6: You only shoot optic blast? Can you try to suck
Speaker 6: this out? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Nobody knows how the dimension works, so hopefully he'll know.
Speaker 1: Because like just thinking about it now, like where are
Speaker 1: they keeping it? Where do they put it now? Like
Speaker 1: the ex Corp fuck utility closet and X Corp.
Speaker 4: I think it's just in Bishop's pocket.
Speaker 2: Cable, Cable if it was a James Gun movie.
Speaker 3: Cable's putting it on top of his like he's putting
Speaker 3: it on his mantelpiece or on his like before he
Speaker 3: drives off, he like throws it into the dashboard.
Speaker 1: That's a good idea, let's go. That's actually where he should.
Speaker 1: That's actually who should. It's like the game ball. You
Speaker 1: have to give Cable the fucking gem with Apocalypse in it.
Speaker 4: Oh, it's in his trophy room in his house. Like
Speaker 4: Michael Jordan.
Speaker 3: Man, he's lifted a million universes just hunting this guy down.
Speaker 3: He's like living his own version of Tennant just ony
Speaker 3: any of the Bocalypse.
Speaker 7: Yeah, h Who was everyone's MVP of the season m
Speaker 7: vps of the season?
Speaker 1: Rosie?
Speaker 4: Oh really okay?
Speaker 1: Well, Rosie Okay, Rosie's your.
Speaker 3: MVP, So Miam, I'm doing My m VP is actually
Speaker 3: gonna be Jubilee. I just I just loved her this season.
Speaker 3: I loved that she got her action episode. I actually
Speaker 3: think one of the flaws of the season is that
Speaker 3: they didn't follow the kind of beats that they did,
Speaker 3: where you know, Gambit got that big fifth episode and
Speaker 3: this show's about him the emotional heart. We got a
Speaker 3: little bit of that with Jubilee when she's training and
Speaker 3: we get Sea using her powers, but I didn't feel
Speaker 3: like they kept the focus on her enough. But every
Speaker 3: time she came back, I just felt like boom, And
Speaker 3: like that fucking emotional arc where she then beats Havoc
Speaker 3: in the x Jet like dogfight, I just think that's
Speaker 3: really badass. So I don't know if she's MVP for
Speaker 3: like if we're talking about who is most valuable to
Speaker 3: like the team beating Apocalypse or whatever, but she's MVP
Speaker 3: to me for enjoying this season.
Speaker 2: Ian, who's your one answer?
Speaker 4: I think it's got to be Nightcrawler. I feel like, oh,
Speaker 4: he had some really amazing action like set pieces in
Speaker 4: a like Exodus episode, and this episode he is like
Speaker 4: the moral compass and like conscience of the team. I
Speaker 4: think he had some really great emotional moments too, whether
Speaker 4: it was like him comforting or consoling Rogue, or him
Speaker 4: trying to connect with his brother, or you know him again,
Speaker 4: big sacrifice he makes here at the end of the season.
Speaker 4: So I think he was kind of that emotional through
Speaker 4: line that I kind of kept the story together.
Speaker 1: I have a question, wouldn't the Catholic Church consider what
Speaker 1: he did suicide?
Speaker 4: That's a fair point. Yeah, so I guess he's he's
Speaker 4: not going to have him.
Speaker 1: But I'm just theologically like, where do where does that land?
Speaker 2: Unbelievable?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I have a question to follow that though. Do you
Speaker 5: think do you think night Crowler kind of expected beasts
Speaker 5: to come in after him and be like wait, don't
Speaker 5: wait a minute.
Speaker 4: It's just like a never ending lineup. You've been like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'll do it.
Speaker 6: This is this is like our d bab I'm here
Speaker 6: to bargain. Thing I wrote down.
Speaker 5: I wrote down Essen was like the guy in your
Speaker 5: fantasy league who accepts every trade, because it was just like, yeah, sure, the.
Speaker 1: Big mistake was make mad Rocks, make a guy guy go.
Speaker 2: Do you not do that. Mads through a sentient there.
Speaker 2: That's the other thing.
Speaker 1: That's crazy about is madros is there just be like, Jamie,
Speaker 1: make a guy who will.
Speaker 2: Go do the sac and Jami like that guy is.
Speaker 3: Me and just like just fucking go with that, you please.
Speaker 2: Jason. Who's your m v P.
Speaker 1: Oh, my, my m v P. I have a couple,
Speaker 1: But I think my main m v P is is
Speaker 1: that baldy Charles Xavier. He's like on the right side
Speaker 1: of everything.
Speaker 4: He was like he was, he was on.
Speaker 1: The right side of the debate this season. He You
Speaker 1: have to admit that if you look at whose coaching tree,
Speaker 1: who's like a mentor tree is doing the best stuff,
Speaker 1: it's Charles's people. Magneto's people are wilding out, contrusted, can't
Speaker 1: be trusted. They're going to take it too far, like
Speaker 1: you like I liked Where the Acolytes. I like Where
Speaker 1: the Acolytes, like the original brochure of the Acolytes. But
Speaker 1: once you really start getting into the program, it's like
Speaker 1: it's going it's it's being taken too far.
Speaker 2: And Valcupas say, I'm in the different direction.
Speaker 1: Charles is exactly exactly what I was going to say,
Speaker 1: I think you see with the Val Cooper governmental response
Speaker 1: that Charles is like was onto something. Maybe he had
Speaker 1: the the dial like a little bit too turned towards
Speaker 1: being being a bitch like previously, but he's like amped
Speaker 1: it up a lit little bit more where he's like,
Speaker 1: you know what, uh, yeah, it was a little too
Speaker 1: soft previously. Now it's like ex Corps. We're going to
Speaker 1: work within the system, but have our own power base
Speaker 1: within the system. And I'm not gonna just cooperate with
Speaker 1: Val Cooper and and the sellouts, like I'm going to
Speaker 1: be my own. We're going to be our own thing.
Speaker 1: And I think that is that's pretty great. And he
Speaker 1: had some great moments, some great astral plane psychic plane fights.
Speaker 3: This was a big This was a big season, Charles.
Speaker 3: They said, get them out of the wheelchair.
Speaker 5: I gotta say, Charles, I think it's almost more interesting.
Speaker 6: It's almost more interesting. I think who's the sixth man?
Speaker 2: For you?
Speaker 5: Because there was this is truly an ensemble show to
Speaker 5: the point where now it's true your favorite.
Speaker 1: Answering as well, Yeah, so who's our who's our Yeah?
Speaker 1: Who is our sixth man? Who is our season?
Speaker 5: Because you didn't do m VP, right, I mean I
Speaker 5: think I think Morph would be my sixth man, because.
Speaker 1: That's a good choice you could be for MVP.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think Ian is right that Nightcrawler
Speaker 5: sneaky late season MVP, like the with the Exodus episode.
Speaker 5: I just remember being like, it's so nice to get
Speaker 5: a really good Morph or a really good Nightcrawler episode.
Speaker 5: We don't usually get this kind of thing. And I
Speaker 5: do think to the credit of the show, it did
Speaker 5: not make me think we're gonna lose Nightcrawler because we
Speaker 5: got this.
Speaker 3: It was a great episode and it just felt like, yeah,
Speaker 3: obviously he's.
Speaker 5: Very well done on that part. But yeah, I think
Speaker 5: I like Morph a lot, and I liked Morph. I
Speaker 5: kind of liked Morph, like not turning on Logan but
Speaker 5: being disappointed in Logan like yeah, I'm a true Asian parent,
Speaker 5: like IM.
Speaker 4: Say, for who he really is. Finally.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Also that moment of like understanding of like you
Speaker 3: can only love someone so much, but like if they
Speaker 3: don't love themselves, like what could he do? And that
Speaker 3: was like so well put. And I think that's the
Speaker 3: crazy thing is like that's really deep for.
Speaker 2: Us to be talking about.
Speaker 3: It's got to show like they do really great stuff
Speaker 3: when the moment shine, but it's like it was more inconsistent. Okay,
Speaker 3: another shape shift going from Morph to Misty that big
Speaker 3: cliffhanger moment.
Speaker 2: What do you feel like, what do you feel like
Speaker 2: that's teasing Ian?
Speaker 1: Like, I mean, because it's.
Speaker 2: Huge, right, Jason, Like she just shot right in head?
Speaker 1: No, but yeah, but I think.
Speaker 2: You think she's gonna take that place, right, I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously, I mean she's gonna run X Factor now, right.
Speaker 2: Fuck yeah, that's what I would see.
Speaker 4: So I think it's clearly with the way the season ended,
Speaker 4: I think it's setting us up for a big like
Speaker 4: political humans versus mutant kind of fight again playing out
Speaker 4: on this big like political stage. And so I think,
Speaker 4: to Rosie's point, yeah, Mestique is going to take VAL's
Speaker 4: place and steer X Factor in her own direction and
Speaker 4: use them as like a legitimate government tool, but like
Speaker 4: to like shape reshape the narrative. And I think, you know,
Speaker 4: like the Friends of Humanity and like the huge anti
Speaker 4: mutant sentiment. We got kind of some echoes of that
Speaker 4: in season one, with you know, Charles being gone and
Speaker 4: Magneto trying to like prove himself to like the world
Speaker 4: on a grand stage, and this season that obviously took
Speaker 4: a back seat because we're more focused on apocalypse and everything.
Speaker 4: So I think it's nice to kind of go back
Speaker 4: to that because that's really where the X Men stories
Speaker 4: are at their best, when it's about that struggle between
Speaker 4: you know, humanity and and and mutant kind and trying
Speaker 4: to find that middle ground. So I think that's what
Speaker 4: they're setting up for next season. It's clearly going to
Speaker 4: be like a big political kind of season. And yeah,
Speaker 4: I think with Bradon Creed being president is going to
Speaker 4: go back for a lot of people.
Speaker 5: So.
Speaker 1: Crazy any other any other predictions for next season or
Speaker 1: coming seasons. It does seem that we're heading towards Cracoa.
Speaker 4: Jason who would be? I think we're still going to
Speaker 4: get onslaught like we were saying too.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was going to say, who do you guys
Speaker 3: feel Maronald Jason, like, who's who do you feel is
Speaker 3: going to be the big bat?
Speaker 2: And then next season because I don't think that's clear
Speaker 2: at that.
Speaker 5: It's not mystique. Yeah, and like Jason, you had that
Speaker 5: really good breakdown when we're talking about the villains in
Speaker 5: the MCU that like, some villains are the secret, shadowy
Speaker 5: big bad and some of them are more like the
Speaker 5: hench person. I don't think Mystique is the big bad.
Speaker 1: I think though I don't think so either.
Speaker 6: Is it sinister? Is it not?
Speaker 5: Like I don't, I don't know. I thought we would
Speaker 5: get a sinister thing, honestly.
Speaker 1: I'm I wonder if it'll be on slot, and then
Speaker 1: I wonder if we will do like a House of
Speaker 1: M thing before we get to so. I think House
Speaker 1: of M two Curacoa makes sense. Wipe out the mutants,
Speaker 1: then you need a reason for them to be.
Speaker 6: Brought back.
Speaker 4: Both next season.
Speaker 6: Yeah, do we ever?
Speaker 4: Do we have?
Speaker 1: Is there ever a period where they live in San
Speaker 1: Francisco before they go to Cricoa on.
Speaker 3: Alcat I would love like a little like MAK a
Speaker 3: little like that again though, that would feel like a
Speaker 3: solid episode. I bet they could do that like X
Speaker 3: Men Moves House Home, X Home or something.
Speaker 1: What is our greed? What do we give this season?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: I starting with you.
Speaker 4: I'd give it a solid like B plus because I
Speaker 4: think what we got was really good, especially like again,
Speaker 4: all the action set pieces that we've been talking about
Speaker 4: are really fantastic. The animation is so top notch, and
Speaker 4: there were some really great emotional character moments. But I
Speaker 4: think my biggest complaint is, you know, the thing we've
Speaker 4: been saying all season, they're just speeding through some of
Speaker 4: these storylines a little too fast. So I think the
Speaker 4: pacing is my biggest gripe. But if that's like the
Speaker 4: worst thing about the show, it's still pretty good, So
Speaker 4: I'd say overall, and I really enjoyed the season. It
Speaker 4: was great to watch, So I think solid B plus
Speaker 4: for me.
Speaker 5: Aaron, I think I would give the first four an
Speaker 5: A and the second four a B, and like that's
Speaker 5: a B plus. Yeah, evens out to a B plus.
Speaker 6: I think that.
Speaker 5: I think season one ended stronger. Maybe that's just because
Speaker 5: I love THEO James's voice and like him. He was
Speaker 5: a great villain, I think. But yeah, I loved, loved,
Speaker 5: love the first four episodes of this season and it
Speaker 5: just felt so good, and I am a little bummed
Speaker 5: that we didn't follow through with that same energy, but
Speaker 5: it's still was very good.
Speaker 6: Still enjoyed the second half.
Speaker 1: Rosie, I agree.
Speaker 3: I think I'm I'm probably a little bit lower. I
Speaker 3: think I've given it a solid bee. I think the
Speaker 3: B plus is very what's true, I think are the
Speaker 3: grades in the UK. It just it's just did you
Speaker 3: pass or not at the school. I looked to me
Speaker 3: like there is ABCD blah blah blah. But what I
Speaker 3: would basically say is the reason I'm going a little
Speaker 3: bit just to A to a straight bee, not in between.
Speaker 3: I do think the pacing. I think the pacing lets
Speaker 3: it down. I think animation is stunning. I think there
Speaker 3: are parts of the story that are brilliant. But also
Speaker 3: as we were talking about this, I did realize like
Speaker 3: I missed Misster Sinister, like I missed having a really
Speaker 3: great villain where every time you were just like, what
Speaker 3: are they up to? What are they doing? Like I
Speaker 3: know what Apocalypse is doing. He's trying to fight survival
Speaker 3: of the Fist.
Speaker 2: Like you know what I mean. It's just and I
Speaker 2: like the Pocalypse.
Speaker 3: But I think in hindsight there were just some of
Speaker 3: the things that made the first season so strong. For me,
Speaker 3: I can feel them a little bit more, but it's
Speaker 3: still like a great bee. Like I think a B
Speaker 3: is a good grade and it's a Yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Was gonna go be plus and be really boring with everyone.
Speaker 1: But you've convinced me, Rosie. I think I do agree
Speaker 1: that it's like you need that foil lurking over every
Speaker 1: part of the story and he just like goes away.
Speaker 1: Like even like you can do a bottle episode once,
Speaker 1: like with the the wolver the Wolverine Project X like backstory,
Speaker 1: but they just did it. They went to the world
Speaker 1: too much with that, where just we left Apocalypse for
Speaker 1: too long and then someone would.
Speaker 4: Just go.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, even I mean even the penultimate episode kind
Speaker 5: of felt like a bottle episode in a little a
Speaker 5: little bit not so I.
Speaker 1: You've talked me down to a bee, but it just.
Speaker 3: Still be I'm saying, And overall, that's still a good
Speaker 3: that's a that's a plus minus whatever that would be, because.
Speaker 4: Like I'm just like reflecting on the first season in
Speaker 4: this season, I feel like the highs of season one
Speaker 4: were not necessarily matched by the second season, Like the
Speaker 4: remember It the Jenosha episode exactly. This season did not
Speaker 4: have an episode of that caliber in my opinion, not
Speaker 4: to say that the season was the man, it didn't
Speaker 4: reach the same.
Speaker 1: And it was too early, like you got to build
Speaker 1: up there's there's something to be said of like having
Speaker 1: an episode like that happened.
Speaker 2: And also is like every Magneo Charles that always dead.
Speaker 4: Like I think letting us sit with like bone Claw
Speaker 4: Wolverine for like more than you know, an episode or two,
Speaker 4: like letting him really like feel that and like.
Speaker 2: Death you know it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, having him for more than half an episode been cool.
Speaker 1: So I know we talked about it, but like bone
Speaker 1: Claw Wolverine was, Oh, you didn't feel like he had
Speaker 1: paid a cost, like he was cutting guys up with
Speaker 1: ease you wanted. You want to feel like he's if
Speaker 1: he's not less, he's different, you know, And it just
Speaker 1: didn't feel like he was different enough. So I agree
Speaker 1: with you. Well, I'm excited for next season. I can't
Speaker 1: wait for next season. I do hope they as we
Speaker 1: have we need to figure out a way that they
Speaker 1: can just add more episodes to the to the series order,
Speaker 1: especially if they're going to move at this kind of pace.
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