WEBVTT - X-Men '97 S2E09 "Survival of the Fittest" 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.960 Morning. On today's episode, you will hear spoilers for X 0:00:04.040 --> 0:00:07.640 Men ninety seven season two, season finale, Survival of the 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:26.680 Fittest Be warned. Hello and. 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:29.840 I'm risdy night, and. 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:31.639 Welcome back to Xtra Vision of the podcast movie I 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:33.960 Deep it to your favorite shows, movies, comics, and pop filter. 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:36.040 Coming in from my heart, where we're bringing you three 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:36.840 episodes a week. 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:41.760 What's news In today's episode, we got news for you. 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:45.240 It's the end of season two of X Men ninety seven, 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:47.599 the animated series, ab out of it. 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:48.400 We're loving it. 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:50.760 It's been absolutely crazy and I'm sure this is just 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:53.000 going to be another crazy episode, so we're gonna recap it. 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:55.720 Then we're going to bring in super producer Aaron and 0:00:56.400 --> 0:00:58.120 former super producer. 0:00:57.840 --> 0:01:00.440 Happy to have him back. Ian I. 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:02.800 A'm I going to be talking about this season, what 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:04.560 it did right, what worked for us, and what we 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:05.480 want to see next. 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:12.319 We open on Cable talking about his life's dream, which 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:15.959 is to kill Apocalypse. His body was created for He 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:21.640 is the Jesus Christ of killing Apocalypse. That's why he 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:26.080 is on this earth. That's why he went to the 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:29.960 far past and talked with ship and got the had 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:35.840 a psychic affair, I guess, and that's why Ship gave 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:38.720 him the bionic arm in the ability to keep his 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:42.280 techno organic virus in check. It's all so he could 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:48.520 kill Apocalypse. Apocalypse is still inside Gambit's psyche looking for 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:49.160 a way to. 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:51.120 Not happy about it. 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:54.520 You break out, and I guess, take take over Gambit's body, 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:57.960 so it would be Apocalypse but looks like Gambit. Beast, Rogue, 0:01:58.040 --> 0:02:01.520 and Nightcrawler find ship speaking of ship. 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:02.560 Oh high. 0:02:02.600 --> 0:02:12.120 Ship Beast reboots her and she says, listen, Apocalypse, I 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:14.880 understand that you want to kill him, but understand that 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:20.840 he's part of a bigger process. You kill him, the 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:23.400 Celestials are going to be really upset because they had 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:27.239 He's a chess piece for them. Rogo wants to enter 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:31.560 the Celestial Shrine in order to gainst because the Celestials 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:34.480 created him. Only celestial power can destroy him, and so 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:36.079 she wants to go in there and get this power. 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:41.080 That Crawl warns that, babe, nothing comes for free if 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:44.160 you go in and what are you thinking? You think 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:45.359 you're just going to give it to you and you're 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:45.799 gonna be. 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:48.560 A're gonna give it because also, like if we look 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:52.440 at the comics, Like the only reason that she's even 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:54.880 really thinking of this is it not like like in 0:02:54.919 --> 0:03:00.000 the comics, we know that essentially Apocalypse used like celestial technology. 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:01.600 He was able to try to merge with it. 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:04.600 So he's not a celestial but he is this kind 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:06.960 of connective tissue between mutants and. 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:11.679 Celestials, right ye s on the searcher, the specific celestial 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:12.799 who empowered him. 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:17.120 Yeah, so it's like it's this really interesting moment and 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:22.000 also just like such an immense osk, Like this isn't 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:24.320 just a side quest for the X Men. This is 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:27.760 like maybe the whole world changes because you asked for it. 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:29.520 I just I don't know if it is. I don't 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:31.480 know if it is worth the price. I think he's right. 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:36.520 The combined forces of X Factor and X Force are 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:42.000 flying towards the ex Corp Power and doctor Cooper facetimes 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:44.560 into Xavier and is like, listen, we're not here to 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:48.240 arrest anybody. We just want to save mutants, but we're 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:52.280 going to need to kill Gambit Matt Apocalypse and therefore 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:58.360 save the world, and that is a non negotiable. So 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:02.040 Charles not negotiating. Charles, you need to hand him over 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:04.000 right now, or we're going to come in there and 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:06.640 we're going to kill him anyway. Crazy Charles of course 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:08.760 is not going to snitch like that. Whenever you think 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:11.760 about Charles, he's not like that. 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:17.760 He's always going to be like no, but he's going 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:19.600 to be like a Captain America and he's going to 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:21.440 get in a fight for his friends, like even if 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:23.240 it's going to cause an international incident. 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:24.200 Charles will do that. 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:26.880 He's done it many times for Magneto and Gambit is 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:28.800 one of his faiths. So yeah, this this makes a 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:31.440 lot of sense. So there's a big, big fight over 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:36.240 will the will X Force get to kill again X 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:40.440 Factor X Force except the evil Like I mean they 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:45.320 they basically have the sentinels in this fight, right Essentially. 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:50.000 You would think then, wouldn't that be when you're like, man, 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:50.720 what am I doing? 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:52.080 I think that's. 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:55.200 When like if you have a called even like even Charles, 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:56.600 I feel like would have to be like, wait, this 0:04:56.640 --> 0:05:00.480 is more of a threat like Polaric Technology. I bet 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:03.520 you Polaris seeing this is like I made the right decision. 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:06.040 To go back to the X Men. This is crazy. 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:09.560 And also because she's there with her new everyone's new favorite. 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:13.560 Slarn Bishop oh standing got her a gallop shocked. 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:16.400 Don't wake him up with all that sexual energy frigeoning 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:17.320 over the top of him. 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:21.359 Guys, come on, I think that the the hair of 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:24.839 their child, if they ever hadn't imagine, would be so 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:29.840 insane luxurious green law what color question? I know, but 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:30.880 maybe it. 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:34.039 Gleams in different lights, you know, kind of like a 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:35.559 beautiful peacock feather. 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:36.320 I could see it. 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:39.360 That's great. Rogue meets s on the Seles show, who 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:44.960 Empowered and Sabor. He tells her that you shouldn't be 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:48.000 here and also, what is this weird soul gem that 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:54.000 you got from the Apocalypse's the rama Tut's ex girlfriend 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:57.000 who then became the deity of the Assassin's Guild. 0:05:57.160 --> 0:06:01.960 And getting and she's she's what is going on? Girl? 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:03.160 Get bad taste. 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:06.760 Rogue is like, listen, I need to save Gambut's life, 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:09.040 and you're the only way I can do it. I 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:14.560 need the power. Essaun basically says, listen, do we need 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:16.840 Gambit Like was hen. 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:21.200 He's asking the right questions because, like, these motherfuckers are 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:24.240 going through a lot to save this any man who 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:28.400 already died and I get this is why because he 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:29.040 already died. 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:31.160 But like, Eson's asking a good question here, like what 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:32.080 does he bring? 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:34.320 Like what was he good to begin with? 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:36.080 Is the implication here? 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:39.000 Like everything when I'm wrong when Gambit died on Genosha, 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:41.000 like because that is kind of I feel like what 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:41.960 they're trying to say. 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:43.919 But it's interesting. 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:48.120 Here's what I'll say about Gambit. It was never about 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:55.640 despite how erotic it was, this just about rogue, like 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:59.479 h like getting in the getting in the tights. He's 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:01.440 it was more more than that he felt an emotion. 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:03.680 There's an emotional connection there for Gambit, to be fair, 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:08.520 But I agree with you that Essen's asking the right question, 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:11.000 which is like what a Gambit really do? Like let's 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:13.480 look at the resume. He then offers her a deal, 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:17.080 and of course it was going to be this your 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:21.720 life for his and she's like immediate, yes. He gives 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:26.320 her the celestial power in order to kill Apocalypse, save Remy. 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:30.840 She exits the celestial shrine and she's got like this 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:32.080 angela style. 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:35.280 Yeah, like a kind of like a celestial time. 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:37.360 I think it's in a ton of Lama and yeah, 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:39.600 it looks like definitely looks like Angela froms Born. 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:46.560 She's like Kurt, Kurt, thank you so much, I've got 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:51.040 the power now and night Crawler like no, Kurt is 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:51.840 like no way. 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:53.080 They stood instantly. 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:56.200 Yeah, she's going to pay with her life. X Factor 0:07:56.200 --> 0:08:01.720 attacks to kill Gambut. Meanwhile, we get to see the classic, 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:08.800 I think, the classic X four X Factor lineup of 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:12.200 strong Guy, Siren, Wolf Spain and h Jamie, the multiple 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:17.320 man attack that you know the second they're the second 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:23.120 version of any but I think I think, yeah, Cooper 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:25.280 orders Cable to go in for the kill, which was 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:28.240 now you're gilding the lily because value. You don't need 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:30.480 to tell him to do that. That's his whole reason. 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:34.840 For like like he he literally was like incepted from 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:36.480 his dad's bulls to do this. 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:39.640 We didn't have a chance. This is. 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:44.920 If I'm Cable. I'm like, you don't just be quiet. 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:49.439 I know what I'm here to do. Michael Jordan to 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:55.679 score the ball like I'm here then uh. He then 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:58.240 ends up in a fight with his parents as they 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:00.040 are trying to be you know, they give him that 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:04.640 classic Gene and Scutt Nathan please just you're our son 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:07.679 and we love you so much and don't do this 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:12.280 go over in and more fight siloc An archangel, Havoc 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:16.160 and Jubilee have a dogfight with the ex Jets. Havoc 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:18.480 is ejected. There's a lot of trash talking in this 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:19.520 wonderful dogfight. 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:23.000 I love to see Jubilee get this win. 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:28.600 Yes, I love that X Factor is about to overpower 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:32.520 Bishop and Polaris when a playing card explodes and it's Gambit, 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:38.079 and now Cable has kind of like managed to elude 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:43.280 Cyclops and Gene and he's the tower is collapsing now 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:48.760 and he finds Gambit, shoots Gambit, but Gambit's body awakens 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:53.400 and is reborn into the fully fleshed out one Apocalypse, 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:58.840 and he easily smites everybody, X Men. 0:09:58.840 --> 0:09:59.560 X Force, X Factor. 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:04.559 They're all as Apocalypse turns to Professor X Rogue in 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:11.640 full celestial angela armor arrives and is like, it's you 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:12.280 and me now. 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:15.800 Yeah, she sort of does like a Subera landing that's 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:19.760 like a Fantastic four style kind of ripple energy that deep. 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:23.760 Yeah, it's like an implication of an opposite. 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:26.840 Yeah, it's like an opposite whatever Apocalypse's energy is. 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:28.080 This is the opposite of that. 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:34.480 Rogue then drains Apocalypse's energy and traps him in the 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:37.679 externals gem or a different soul gem. 0:10:37.600 --> 0:10:40.800 Maybe yem, I think maybe Rogan. 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:46.679 Gambit embrace and he's normal now. Her celestial armor fades away, 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:53.720 she sees beasts arrived. He's just by himself. Nightcrawler went 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:57.400 through the shot shrine after her, you know, offering of course, 0:10:57.440 --> 0:11:02.600 and that's crazy in that traditional curt way of being, like, 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:06.200 I know she traded her life for Gambit. Let me 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:09.000 trade my life for hers, and I'll stay here and 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:10.920 then they can be alive together. 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:13.120 And be again happy, and everyone will be happy. 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:17.640 And we see a montage of the X Men, including 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:22.960 Gambit and Rogue embracing. It's this wonderful, like really heartfelt moment. 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:26.840 Esson asks him how he can be sure his sacrifice 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:30.760 will bring forth all of this happiness that he imagines 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:35.640 will happen when he's gone, you know, with the with 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:39.120 the anchor of that being Gambit and Rogue having finally 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:42.840 their life together. And he says, you know, because I 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:48.040 have faith in Jesus Christ as a Catholic, as a 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:52.800 Catholic man, That's why a Catholic men then deeply Catholic men, 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:59.880 I have faith. Post credits scene, President Kelly has lost 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:04.800 to Sabertooth's son Graydon Creed Sabertooth and Mystique son. He 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:08.240 will be the next president of the United States. The 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:11.120 number of the I guess at that time with like 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:14.680 the forty fourth President of the United States or something. 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:21.320 Doctor Cooper walks into her offices and guess who's sitting there. 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:23.240 She's sitting there. It's got to be a mystique. 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:25.200 You had to see that in the memoir. 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:32.080 Mystique then assassinates vow something and steals I know she does, 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:38.079 and then steals X Factor's files about her classic mystique shit. 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:56.040 Let's take a quick break and we'll be back. Let's 0:12:56.040 --> 0:13:00.679 bring in our former super producer good friend Ian as 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:04.880 well as super producer Aaron to discuss this episode end, 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:07.640 the end of the season, the end of season two 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:12.800 of X Men ninety seven, folks, and let's start with 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:18.360 you Apocalypse was Was Apocalypse enough of a big bad 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:21.559 Did they do enough to build the season on Apocalypse 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:23.200 as the main bad guy? 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:27.560 I think to the point that we've been making all season. 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:31.240 I think they sped through the storyline way too fast, 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:33.080 and I think we could have spent a lot more 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:36.920 time on it. I think the arc of him, you know, 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:39.839 like back in Egypt and then in the present, him 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:42.080 rising to power, gathering his horsemen, that could have been 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:44.600 the whole season. And I think like ending the season 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:47.120 with the reveal of Gambit as death would have been 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:50.160 like a great cliffhanger to end the season. I just 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:53.240 feel like we rushed through everything. But I will say 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:56.600 there were some standout moments, like the scene where Apocalypse 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:59.199 kills Magneto, Like that was amazing. I think that was 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:02.320 a really powerful moment, But even that, I feel like 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:05.560 it was addressed like an episode later in the Danger episode, 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:07.440 and then it's like, all right, now, Charles is good 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:10.199 and like ex corp, let's keep it moving. So I 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:14.960 just I feel like for a character and an iconic 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:17.160 as a villain as Apocalypse is, I feel like we 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:20.040 moved through it really quickly. Like I assume at some 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:22.560 point he will be back, because he's just trapped in 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:24.880 that gem for now. I mean, I have to imagine 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:26.600 at some point he'll escape. But I just feel like 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:29.360 they could have done more with him this season, and like, 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:31.600 like we've been saying they just kind of rushed through 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:32.280 it so quickly. 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:36.040 Aaron, did you did anything, Did you see anything that 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:41.200 would make you change your pitch for fixing the season? No? 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:45.840 I think it strengthened that idea, you know. I after 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:49.600 watching this episode, I thought a lot about Beyond Good 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:53.080 and Evil, the four part series, like four part episodes 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:56.680 that they had in the original anime series where Apocalypse 0:14:56.720 --> 0:15:00.640 is gathering all the psychics and bishop as they and like, 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:04.160 you know, you have this whole like thing where he's 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:09.680 kidnapping psychic mutants and he's we have Sinister, we have Magneto. 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:16.920 Like that to me felt like a more blockbustery thing 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:20.240 for Apocalypse to do in terms of like a movie 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:22.000 or TV show. Here it was just like, so, wait, 0:15:22.040 --> 0:15:25.080 what was his plan all along to like inhabit Gambit's body? 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:27.680 That was like the end goal. I don't I don't 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:31.080 get it. So I love Apocalypse as a villain. I 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:34.440 think he's one of those characters who, you know, he's 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:37.480 not necessarily on a Thanos or Doctor Doom level, but 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:41.000 he he's someone who I'm always excited to see X 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:44.360 Men fight, and I just think he could. Yeah, yeah, I. 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:47.600 Think I think they did it right. I think that's 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:48.400 how it's meant to be. 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:50.640 But I agree this is kind of like, no, it's 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:54.320 another slightly lacking representation post offskys. 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:59.200 Well, let me ask this. This is actually a fascinating question. 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:08.360 Head your head, Apocalypse versus Fanos, Apocalypse versus Doom, Who's 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:13.520 who is winning? Assuming Apocalypse has time to you know, 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:16.000 like the Batman Superman thing, he has had time. He's 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:18.640 been planning this and he's like, I'm going to show 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:21.480 everybody who the fucking baddest guy on the block is. 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:23.760 I'm going to take down this person. Could he do it? 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:27.480 I think Apocalypse could take Thanos in that case. 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:30.040 I think if he had like three thousand years to plan, 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:34.800 plus the celestial armor that he bonded with, plus his 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:39.720 knowledge of Thanos's previous losses, plus his ability to create 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:42.280 fourth horsemen meaning he probably has a connection to death, 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:46.600 plus you know I should yeah right, I think that 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:50.080 especially with the added time and the possibility for like 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:52.880 you know, cables, time portals and going through time to 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:56.000 learn stuff, I think Apocalypse could take it. I think 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:59.000 Thanos can get easily blinded by like one mission, but 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:02.960 Apocalypse is always thinking like twenty chest steps ahead of you. 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:06.920 I also think if Apocalypse lost either of them, he'd 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:11.120 be okay with it because he's like, you are You're 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:12.760 the better, right. 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:15.840 That's right. He'd actually be like, I can retire now. 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:20.320 Yes, I'm just like please, that is actually true. 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:24.359 That's good. That's a good call. I think he could 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:27.840 beat Thanos even with the Gauntlet. I know that sounds crazy, No. 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:30.440 I agree, I was. I was imagining with the Gauntlet 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:31.159 for this question. 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:34.520 I mean, but Thanos has gotten clapped with the Gauntlet before, 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:37.160 so I think he could beat Thanos with the Gauntlet 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:40.800 with enough planning time. And Doom I don't I'm not 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:44.520 sure I think it would. I think Doom would probably 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:45.360 beat him. 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:48.080 But he's just smarter. I feel like he was just 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:48.520 out smart. 0:17:48.960 --> 0:17:51.919 Yeah, he's just I know in the comics, no one 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:54.719 ever really dies, but in particular with the X Men 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:58.240 animated series, I feel like Apocalypse he may have quote 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:01.399 unquote lost, but he he he was always like hinted 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:04.200 it at the end of said episode, like you never 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:07.960 He's never truly gone. And so even here they don't 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:09.960 kill him. They trap him in a gem. Oh, I'm 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:11.000 sure that's not gonna. 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:14.960 I'm sorry they trapped him in a gem. 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:18.880 Can I just say, guys, like this is so it's 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:21.639 just such a bad thing to do in a space 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:25.280 where there's so many different like dimensions, trapped in different 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:28.600 like fucking inanimate objects and ship like you know, this 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:29.920 motherfucker is coming back. 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:33.240 Can't we call Reed Richards and like drop this thing 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:37.320 in a waste basket and the negative zone and more. 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:40.800 Like you know, make it, like make it a necklace 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:42.920 for Franklin or something like who can? 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:44.320 Who can hold the power? 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:47.680 Like you don't need why when Burt gets it back 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:49.840 to Cable, I forgive this man a break. 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:51.520 That's his whole life. 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:54.679 If I was Cable, I just stamp on it, gets 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:58.840 tracked inside, do something crazy with it, like get get like. 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:03.160 Cloak of Cloak and Dagger to just like leave it 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:07.120 in the Cloak dimension, like just put it somewhere, get 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:08.240 rid of it, and. 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:10.879 Like does a Nightcrawler when he teleports go through. 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:14.200 Yeah, but Nightcrawler's gone, and oh that's true. 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:15.560 He's yeah, he didn't make it. 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:20.080 You're right, guys. The optic blasts, if you look into where. 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:22.560 They come from, they actually come from a different dimension. 0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:25.800 So can his dad be putting the fucking put it 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:26.400 in your head? 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:32.560 You only shoot optic blast? Can you try to suck 0:19:32.680 --> 0:19:33.520 this out? Yeah? 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:37.640 Nobody knows how the dimension works, so hopefully he'll know. 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:40.320 Because like just thinking about it now, like where are 0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:45.080 they keeping it? Where do they put it now? Like 0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:49.160 the ex Corp fuck utility closet and X Corp. 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:51.320 I think it's just in Bishop's pocket. 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:54.040 Cable, Cable if it was a James Gun movie. 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:57.000 Cable's putting it on top of his like he's putting 0:19:57.000 --> 0:19:59.280 it on his mantelpiece or on his like before he 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:02.359 drives off, he like throws it into the dashboard. 0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:05.439 That's a good idea, let's go. That's actually where he should. 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:08.600 That's actually who should. It's like the game ball. You 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:11.800 have to give Cable the fucking gem with Apocalypse in it. 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:14.240 Oh, it's in his trophy room in his house. Like 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:14.919 Michael Jordan. 0:20:15.480 --> 0:20:18.720 Man, he's lifted a million universes just hunting this guy down. 0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:21.720 He's like living his own version of Tennant just ony 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:23.000 any of the Bocalypse. 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:44.119 Yeah, h Who was everyone's MVP of the season m 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:45.399 vps of the season? 0:20:45.480 --> 0:20:47.000 Rosie? 0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:48.320 Oh really okay? 0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:52.320 Well, Rosie Okay, Rosie's your. 0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:55.280 MVP, So Miam, I'm doing My m VP is actually 0:20:55.280 --> 0:20:59.720 gonna be Jubilee. I just I just loved her this season. 0:21:00.240 --> 0:21:03.200 I loved that she got her action episode. I actually 0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:05.840 think one of the flaws of the season is that 0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:09.320 they didn't follow the kind of beats that they did, 0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:12.040 where you know, Gambit got that big fifth episode and 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:14.199 this show's about him the emotional heart. We got a 0:21:14.200 --> 0:21:16.760 little bit of that with Jubilee when she's training and 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:20.360 we get Sea using her powers, but I didn't feel 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:23.200 like they kept the focus on her enough. But every 0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:25.560 time she came back, I just felt like boom, And 0:21:25.640 --> 0:21:29.560 like that fucking emotional arc where she then beats Havoc 0:21:29.600 --> 0:21:32.120 in the x Jet like dogfight, I just think that's 0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:34.960 really badass. So I don't know if she's MVP for 0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:38.000 like if we're talking about who is most valuable to 0:21:38.119 --> 0:21:40.960 like the team beating Apocalypse or whatever, but she's MVP 0:21:41.119 --> 0:21:42.600 to me for enjoying this season. 0:21:43.160 --> 0:21:44.800 Ian, who's your one answer? 0:21:45.920 --> 0:21:48.920 I think it's got to be Nightcrawler. I feel like, oh, 0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:53.080 he had some really amazing action like set pieces in 0:21:53.200 --> 0:21:57.399 a like Exodus episode, and this episode he is like 0:21:57.440 --> 0:22:00.960 the moral compass and like conscience of the team. I 0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:03.400 think he had some really great emotional moments too, whether 0:22:03.440 --> 0:22:06.440 it was like him comforting or consoling Rogue, or him 0:22:06.480 --> 0:22:10.399 trying to connect with his brother, or you know him again, 0:22:10.560 --> 0:22:12.840 big sacrifice he makes here at the end of the season. 0:22:13.240 --> 0:22:16.240 So I think he was kind of that emotional through 0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:19.280 line that I kind of kept the story together. 0:22:19.760 --> 0:22:23.199 I have a question, wouldn't the Catholic Church consider what 0:22:23.280 --> 0:22:24.119 he did suicide? 0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:29.720 That's a fair point. Yeah, so I guess he's he's 0:22:29.760 --> 0:22:30.560 not going to have him. 0:22:30.600 --> 0:22:35.280 But I'm just theologically like, where do where does that land? 0:22:35.440 --> 0:22:36.200 Unbelievable? 0:22:36.480 --> 0:22:36.760 I don't know. 0:22:36.840 --> 0:22:39.159 I have a question to follow that though. Do you 0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:41.679