1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:00,880 Speaker 1: Can't. 2 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 2: I am six forty. You're listening to the John Cobelt 3 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 2: podcast on the iHeartRadio app. Welcome, how are you. There's 4 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 2: no baseball game till after four o'clock tonight, right, okay, good, 5 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 2: So I can do this undistracted. I can focus on 6 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 2: my work. We're on every day from one until four, 7 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 2: and then after four o'clock it's John Cobelt on demand. 8 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,319 Speaker 2: The podcast. It's the same as the radio show, but 9 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 2: that's kind of like a makeup in case you missed anything, 10 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 2: and you can go on the iHeart app and listen 11 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 2: to that. You can follow us on the social media 12 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 2: sites at John Cobelt Radio. All right now, I was 13 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 2: kind of surprised. I don't think this may This wasn't. 14 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 2: This wasn't on the La Times website. Early. I have 15 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 2: been tracking the La Times because it's obviously a horrific 16 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 2: I wouldn't even call it a newspaper. I don't know 17 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 2: what the hell to call it, but it's a it's 18 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 2: not an accurate, reliable source of news, but I look 19 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 2: at it every day. Occasionally I could find a few things, 20 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 2: and I noticed they have been silent on the Gascone 21 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 2: Hawkman race. They didn't cover a lot of the Gascone 22 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 2: controversies over the last few years. They just ignored them. 23 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 2: And I'm with the election season going on and Hawkman's 24 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 2: up by about twenty five points and several polls I 25 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 2: was waiting to see, is the time's just gonna let 26 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 2: the election pass without comment? And I'm not talking about 27 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 2: the editorial page. I'm not talking about opinion columns or anything. 28 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 2: But they can comment by choosing what to cover and 29 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 2: where to place the story. And so they have finally, 30 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 2: they have finally covered a story that we've been on 31 00:01:55,440 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 2: for a few days now, and that is the That 32 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 2: is the case of Shenice Amanda Dyer, who is a 33 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 2: seventeen year old girl back in twenty nineteen, a member 34 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 2: of the Cryps gang in South la and they were 35 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 2: having a dispute with the Florencia gang and I guess 36 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 2: the Florencias had killed somebody from the Crips, and Shanise Dyer, 37 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 2: again a seventeen year old girl, was told, you know, 38 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 2: go caused some trouble, which means go shoot people in 39 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 2: that neighborhood. It doesn't matter who. So she randomly started 40 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 2: firing and killed two men, and this is an especially 41 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 2: sad tragedy. One of them was in Jose Antonio Flores Vasquez, 42 00:02:55,760 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 2: an aspiring astrophysicist in UC Irvine in the doc Thrid program. 43 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 2: He was dropping off a baby gift to his friend 44 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 2: Alfredo Carrera. Alfredo, an expectant father, was the other guy 45 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 2: gunned down shot to death. Carrera and Vasquez are standing 46 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 2: outside a car. A car pulls up and Shanis Dire 47 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 2: starts blasting away. Dire and two other defendants killed both men. 48 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 2: Third man down the street was wounded in the back 49 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 2: as he was loading his one year old daughter into 50 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 2: a car seat. So these were family people who were 51 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 2: shot in two cases killed. Carrera. Carrera, his his fiance 52 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 2: was having a baby shower. They were expecting. She watched 53 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 2: her fiance die right there in the street, So I 54 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 2: mean you have to understand this. Jose and Jose was 55 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 2: the astrophysicist student. Alfredo was the fiance. He and his 56 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 2: girlfriend expecting a baby, having a baby shower. They're gathering 57 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 2: outside because it's baby shower day, and here comes Shinise Dyer. 58 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 2: Dyer sent text messages around admitting she did the shooting, 59 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 2: saying she was satisfied. It made headlines. This was new satisfied, 60 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 2: it made headlines, and here comes George Gascon. And I 61 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 2: swear to God, if you hear this story, and I 62 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 2: understand this story, and you still go out and vote 63 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 2: for George Gascone, you're not even human. Because Dyer was 64 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 2: supposed to be trying as an adult, That's what Jackie 65 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 2: Lacey wanted to do. But then the pandemic came, the 66 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 2: stupid shutdown, the case got delayed. When it was finally ready, 67 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 2: Gascone was in charge, and at that moment, he had 68 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 2: a strict policy that juveniles were never going to be 69 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 2: prosecuted as adults. So even though Shenise Dyer had killed 70 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 2: those two innocent, innocent men who were just beginning what 71 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 2: looked like we're going to be successful lives, she didn't 72 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 2: kill two gang bangers who were headed to prison anyway. No, 73 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 2: she took on an astrophysicist student, an expecting father. She 74 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 2: was She admits to the crime. She's tried as a juvenile. 75 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 2: She only spends four years in a juvenile detention center. 76 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 2: She was released last February. Six months later, she's arrested. 77 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 2: There's another murder and Suddenly here we are in October 78 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 2: of twenty twenty four, thirty four days to the election, 79 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 2: and the La Times, in this news story admits that 80 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 2: Dyer's case is one of several in which a defendant 81 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 2: whom gascon showed leniency leniency has been released only to 82 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 2: be accused of another violent crime. Well, of course, because 83 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 2: these people are psychotic, they have no conscience, they're psychopaths. 84 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,239 Speaker 2: It doesn't bother them. After she kills these two guys, 85 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 2: who I don't think she even knew, She sends out texts, 86 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 2: she was satisfied that it made headlines. She was admiring 87 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 2: her work, tried as a juvenile let out last year, 88 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 2: and now it seems it's permeating at least the La Times, 89 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 2: those thick skulls at what used to be a great 90 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 2: newspaper that wow, you know, we should be telling people 91 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 2: about this. This is major news because the guy who 92 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 2: refused to put this psychopath in prison is now up 93 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 2: for reelection, and the only reason he has even twenty 94 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 2: five percent of the vote I think is just out 95 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 2: of sheer ignorance. Much of the public, even the ones 96 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 2: who vote, don't follow the news, because where are you 97 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 2: going to hear about a story like this. You know, 98 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 2: they do the quick drive by minute and fifteen second 99 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 2: story on the TV news and then it's there and 100 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 2: it's gone. Nothing in the LA Times about this stuff? 101 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 2: What else is there? Handful of suburban papers who have 102 00:07:56,160 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 2: no staff. Our show. Our show probably covers more of 103 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 2: this than any other media outlet in southern California, But 104 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 2: we don't have everybody listening, And so people vote for Hawkman, 105 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 2: not knowing, not knowing that he really is evil. This 106 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 2: is evil. This is stuff Satan would do. You let 107 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 2: a psycho who is bragging about killing two innocent people 108 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 2: and you let them free after four years and juvenile detention. 109 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 2: Nathan Hackman's going to come on at three o'clock. He 110 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 2: is projected to be the next district attorney. I can 111 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 2: guarantee you when Nathan Hakman is elected, you're not going 112 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 2: to hear about a Shanese dire situation. That's just not 113 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 2: going to happen. Who's going through this La Times article? 114 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 2: Kascon is described as the godfather of progressive prosecutors. Doesn't 115 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 2: that make you want to wretch the godfather? Gascone, halfway 116 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 2: through his term, decided to start allowing prosecutors to seek 117 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 2: transfers to adult court in some instances. That came after 118 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 2: the Hannah Tubbs case, that guy who pretends to be 119 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 2: a woman, and he was tried in juvenile court for 120 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 2: a sexual assault on a young girl. Tubbs was a 121 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 2: teenager and got a break. Eventually he was convicted of 122 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 2: a murder up in Bakersfield. But that was such a 123 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:41,679 Speaker 2: notorious case because Gascone was fooled by the fake transgender 124 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 2: claims that Tubbs made. He was full too. I mean 125 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 2: it's on tape Tubbs telling his dad that play along 126 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 2: with me. I'm going to pretend I'm a woman. And 127 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 2: Gascone was the only one who brought into it. So 128 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 2: he's not only he's not only evil with really destructive policies, 129 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 2: he's stupid too. But see charging charging juveniles as adults 130 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 2: requires a judge's approval. Two thirds of attempts to transfer 131 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 2: teams to adult court failed last year. See some of 132 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 2: the judges are as woke, its stupid as gascon. So 133 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 2: just changing Gascone doesn't necessarily solve all the problems here, 134 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 2: but it's a huge start because I think Nathan Hoffman 135 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:37,599 Speaker 2: and his team is going to be more persuadable than 136 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 2: Gascone because Gascon doesn't even try. All right, we got 137 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 2: more coming up. 138 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 3: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM 139 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 3: six forty. 140 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:57,319 Speaker 2: At one thirty. The Special Council has unleashed one hundred 141 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 2: and sixty five pages of detail things he claimed Trump 142 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 2: said and did that in the events that led up 143 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 2: to the January sixth, the insurrection and what was going 144 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 2: on that day. It was a court filing and the 145 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 2: judge allowed it to go public. We are going to 146 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 2: talk with Royal Oaks from ABC News to see if 147 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 2: it means anything. Of course, if Trump gets elected, it 148 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 2: means nothing because Trump will dissolve the investigation. But Trump 149 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 2: is saying anything that he said or did he has 150 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 2: immunity from because he was president at the time. So 151 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 2: we'll get into all those issues with Royal Oaks coming 152 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 2: up now on the UH on the Kamala Harris side, 153 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 2: this is one of those stories. I saw that and 154 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 2: I go, oh, come by, this can't be true, right 155 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,439 Speaker 2: because you're you're you're detector has to be on high 156 00:11:55,520 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 2: right now for false stories, bs, political misdirection, hyperbole. You 157 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 2: really have to be careful because both sides are just 158 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 2: going to dump all kinds of poop into the media ecosystem. 159 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 2: But this is real. The federal government FEMA, specifically, they're 160 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 2: supposed to be helping out tens of thousands of American 161 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 2: citizens whose homes have been destroyed by Hurricane Helene. In fact, 162 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty thousand people have applied for federal 163 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 2: assistance because of the damage or the total destruction done 164 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 2: to their homes, one hundred and fifty thousand Today today, 165 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 2: out loud, Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro mayorcis the man who 166 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 2: brought you the wide open border, the man who brought 167 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:05,079 Speaker 2: you ten million illegal aliens, admitted that FEMA is out 168 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 2: of money. FEMA does not have the money to help 169 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty thousand American citizens who've suffered serious 170 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 2: damage to their lives. This was the exact quote. FEMA 171 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 2: does not have the funds to make it through the season. 172 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 2: Turns out that that FEMA has blown billions of dollars 173 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 2: on illegal alien funding. Not making this up. Just over 174 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 2: the last two years, FEMA has handed out more than 175 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 2: one billion dollars in tax money to support illegal migrants 176 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 2: with housing a billion dollars just for illegal alien housing 177 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 2: and now that American citizens need their homes rebuilt, Mayorcis 178 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 2: said out loud, I'm sorry, we don't have the money. 179 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 2: This window is closed. Too many customers we have. We 180 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,839 Speaker 2: have nothing left. Death tolls one hundred and eighty people 181 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 2: from the storm, and there's something else brewing the Gulf 182 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 2: of Mexico right now. They may get more heavy rains 183 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 2: in Florida within the next few days. FEMA was given 184 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 2: six hundred and forty million dollars for illegal aliens in 185 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 2: the twenty twenty four fiscal year, and people are saying, well, 186 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 2: why don't you reallocate any unspent money to the American 187 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 2: citizens who got whacked by Helene. FEMA's answer is no, no, 188 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 2: So they're not really out of money, they're just out 189 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 2: of money allocated to help Americans. They still have more 190 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 2: money for illegal aliens, and it's like, well, why don't 191 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 2: you just do a transfer here, transfer from an account 192 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 2: DAT to account B. FEMA says no. The Texas Governor 193 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 2: Greg Abbott posted on X Mayorcis and FEMA immediately stop 194 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 2: spending money on a legal immigration resettlement, redirect those funds 195 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 2: to areas hit by the hurricane. I mean people actually 196 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 2: have to Abbot actually has to post that publicly. Isn't 197 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 2: it obvious If you were running government, wouldn't you say, Okay, 198 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 2: party's over. You might want to go back to the 199 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 2: home country because we can't give you any more money 200 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 2: to live here. We've got the American citizens who pay 201 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 2: the taxes. They need help. I'm not a guy who's 202 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 2: big on government help, right. I think you mostly ought 203 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 2: to be able to handle your own life, to the 204 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 2: point where I think you shouldn't build homes in places 205 00:15:56,600 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 2: that are prone to natural disasters. You know, building on 206 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 2: a beach in a hurricane prone area. I think that's 207 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 2: more on you than the US government. Same thing, if 208 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 2: you build in an obvious fire zone, what are you thinking? 209 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 2: What do you what did you think was going to happen? However, 210 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 2: if there is this unlimited pot of money that taxpayers 211 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 2: have have filled, wouldn't you give it to the American 212 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 2: citizens first? I mean, we are giving a lot of 213 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 2: money to support foreign wars, which may be necessary, but 214 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 2: what's also necessary is to help out American citizens when 215 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 2: you have an unusually strong hurricane. Now, this is going 216 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 2: to be like the second most damaging hurricane in American history. 217 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 2: That's what I heard this morning. There are different ways 218 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 2: to calculate that, but this, this, this, this is one 219 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 2: of the biggies. And it veered inland and hit a 220 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 2: lot of the rural towns in the mountains. Normally you 221 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 2: don't get this kind of damage. But something freaky happened, 222 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 2: and you got a lot of people who've lost their homes. 223 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 2: You've got a lot of people who are dead, and 224 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 2: they go to they go to FEMA. I don't know 225 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 2: who else. Who else would you go to? Right, that's FEMA, 226 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 2: that's supposed to take care of the disasters. And FEMA's 227 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 2: going we're out of money, nothing more accounts at zero. 228 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 2: But what about that account there? You got hundreds of 229 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 2: millions for illegal aliens. Ah, you can't touch that. No, no, no, no. 230 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 2: American citizens go to the back of the line, stand 231 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 2: in line and wait. Tell we can print more money 232 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:48,439 Speaker 2: or borrow more money from China. Whatever pocus pocus magic 233 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 2: they do. Isn't this isn't this awful? Alero majorcis oh 234 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 2: and I got another story about him because New York 235 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 2: Times had a long piece today. The Secret Service is 236 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 2: a bigger disaster than you could have ever imagined. Take 237 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 2: whatever you've heard in the past couple of months since 238 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 2: Trump got shot at and just multiply it by one hundred. 239 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 2: You won't believe how bad. And he's ultimately in charge 240 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 2: of the Secret Service because he's Homeland Security. He may 241 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 2: be the worst bureaucrat in American history that I can remember. 242 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 2: He is incompetent, not only at the border, but the 243 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 2: Secret Service and now FEMA. But you know, if you 244 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:34,959 Speaker 2: want to start an insurrection, deny one hundred and fifty 245 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 2: thousand American citizens FEMA money and give it to millions 246 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 2: of illegal aliens, give them housing. Yeah, people are not 247 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 2: going to put up with this forever. All right, we 248 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 2: come back Royal Oaks. They take another run at Trump. 249 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 2: Jack Smith, the special counsel, he's investigating Insurrection Day and 250 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 2: he released I believe, about one hundred and sixty five 251 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 2: pages of things Trump said and did during that time 252 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 2: to bolster his case that Trump ought to be put 253 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 2: in jail. We'll talk with Royal Oaks. ABC News Legal 254 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 2: correspondent coming up. 255 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 3: You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI A six. 256 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:18,719 Speaker 2: On from one until four and then after four o'clock 257 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 2: John Cobot show on demand on the iHeart app and 258 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 2: you can hear what you missed. Jack Smith. The Independent 259 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 2: Council in the insurrection case against Trump has refiled the charges. 260 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 2: They're the same charges, but they come with one hundred 261 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 2: and sixty five pages of new stories, additional evidence as 262 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 2: to what Trump did during that period which led to 263 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 2: thousands of people storming the capitol. And among the things 264 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 2: that jumped out in some of these news stories was 265 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 2: that he was going to declare victory no matter what, 266 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 2: before the ballots were counted, before any winner was projected, 267 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 2: and when Mike Pence was cornered and they were panting 268 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 2: to hang them. When Trump was informed as to what 269 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 2: was going on, his response was so and that he 270 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 2: was going to fight no matter what was going on. 271 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 2: Let's get Royal Oaks, ABC News correspondent, Actually legal aists 272 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 2: to be more exact and see if this amounts to anything. 273 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 2: Roy always seemed to be going through this story over 274 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 2: and over and over again periodically. Was there anything in 275 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 2: this superseding indictment because Jack Smith had to conform with 276 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,640 Speaker 2: certain Supreme Court decisions, is there anything new in here 277 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 2: that we didn't know or anything more incriminating or more 278 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 2: that would provide more trouble for Trump. 279 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,239 Speaker 1: It is kind of like groundhog Day, isn't it. You know, 280 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: they dropped a couple of allegations because the Supreme Court said, yeah, 281 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: there's the ultra super official duties. You can't prosecute somebody. 282 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: But basically the case is intact. But I mean, you 283 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: need a scorecard, keep track of all the cases. Again, 284 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: this is one of the four criminal cases against Trump 285 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 1: pending in Washington, DC, and months and months ago, Trump 286 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: filed a motion to dismiss, saying, hey, a president is 287 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:15,719 Speaker 1: immune from prosecution, so goodbye lawsuit or good bye a 288 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: court case. The trial judge said, nice try Donald, there 289 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: is no immunity. And now the Court of Appeal said, 290 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 1: nice try Donald, there is no immunity. Then the Supreme 291 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 1: Court took up the case. And remember back in July, 292 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 1: Supreme Court said, actually, if a president is performing his 293 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 1: official constitutional duties, he's probably immune from prosecution. So the 294 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: High Court sent the case back to the trial court 295 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: and instructed her look set up two buckets. Put all 296 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,199 Speaker 1: the allegations against Trump that are official in one bucket. 297 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: You may not prosecute him. But if there's a bucket 298 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: with personals, nonofficial criminal stuff, okay, you can do that, 299 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 1: and that's your job for the next several months. That 300 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: led to yesterday's filing by Special Castulo Jacksmith. His arguments 301 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: that you describe accurately all this evidence. He said, Trump's 302 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 1: conduct was not official. He just tried to overturn the election. 303 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: So what if Mike Pants is going to be hanged, etc. 304 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:12,479 Speaker 1: You know the other side of the coin. And Trump's 305 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: going to respond to this. He's going to say, look, judge, 306 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,959 Speaker 1: my job as president was to enforce all federal laws, 307 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: including election laws and dog gunn and I really felt 308 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 1: contrary to all the rumors and hearsay and the guy 309 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,640 Speaker 1: on the helicopter who over heard me say oh, we're screwed, 310 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: we lost, in fact, I really thought we had a 311 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 1: legitimate shot to overturn the thing. So that's what's going 312 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: to happen in the trial court. Inevitably disjudged is not 313 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 1: like Trump. She is going to say, yeah, I agree 314 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: with you, Jack Smith, everything belongs in the personal bucket. 315 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: And then Trump will it like that. He'll go back 316 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,439 Speaker 1: up to the Court of Appeals and if the Supreme 317 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: Court is in the mood to help him again. They will, 318 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,360 Speaker 1: but as you point it out a couple of minutes ago, 319 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: if Donald Trump wins, it'll all go bye bye. Because 320 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 1: it is inaugural address. He will say, well, welcome, folks. 321 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: First thing is, I'm dismissing the cases against me, and 322 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 1: I'm pardoning in all the defendants, and then they'll get 323 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: on to the other political stuff. 324 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 2: I'm looking through, you know, a summary, because I don't 325 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 2: think no living human could read all one hundred and 326 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 2: sixty five league pages right through the summary. It seems 327 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 2: a lot of it is about just stuff he said 328 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 2: in the hallway or in his office, putting pressure on, 329 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 2: you know, the governor of Arizona, for example, putting pressure 330 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:31,439 Speaker 2: on Mike Pince to not certified the election, trying to 331 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 2: get the Arizona governor to somehow change that outcome. Are 332 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 2: all those crimes if you're sitting and shouting things at people, 333 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 2: Maybe some of it's crazy, maybe some of it's real. 334 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 2: Are those federal crimes? And that that's where my mind 335 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 2: always comes to. It's like, all right, this could. 336 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: Be this is a great question. This is a great question. 337 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 1: There are crimes if it's part of a sort of 338 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 1: an enterprise to obstruct justice and the law. And you're 339 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,880 Speaker 1: making a good distinction. If somebody's just shooting the breeze, 340 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: sitting around the office saying stuff, that's not a crime. 341 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: But what Smith is saying is if you take me, 342 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: you know what the White House they had overheard on 343 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: the helicopter ride, it doesn't matter if you wander laws. 344 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 1: You still have to fight like hell or so what 345 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: if Mike Pence's hanged. What they're saying is that those 346 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: boil down to three specific crimes. One is he tried 347 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: to overturn a lawful election, told all sorts of officials 348 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 1: to fight, and told Mike Pence, you know, send the 349 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 1: whole thing back to the States. And secondly, they say 350 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: it's a conspiracy against the right of the American public 351 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: to have their vote counted properly. So it's conspiracy, it's 352 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: obstruction of official proceedings. So yeah, Smith translates all of 353 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: the sort of casual conversation stuff and he says it 354 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: was like a mob boss, a criminal enterprise guy who 355 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 1: was trying to break the law and deprive everybody of 356 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: their right to have a legitimate election. 357 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 2: Are trying to filter that through the Supreme Court decision 358 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 2: that gave him some limited immunity. If he's the president 359 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 2: of the United States, he's still in office right after 360 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 2: election day, and he's in the White House, he's barking 361 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 2: orders at the people who work for him. Is it 362 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 2: seems like some of that under this Supreme Court decision 363 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 2: would be protected. That this isn't yeah, and this isn't 364 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 2: private conduct. 365 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,919 Speaker 1: Exactly, that's right, And that gets back to the argument 366 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: that he was arguably trying to enforce the law. But 367 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 1: you know that the decision, it was so interesting when 368 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 1: Chief Justice Roberts wrote it. He made it clear he 369 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: was concerned about weaponization of the legal system, which a 370 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: lot of people have been concerned about over the last 371 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: two or three years. It's not fair for judges and 372 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 1: prosecutors to go after politicians because they hate them, and 373 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: so Roberts to fight against that, carved out this immunity 374 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 1: rule that seems a little problematic. I mean, for example, 375 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 1: Roberts said, if it's an official act, absolutely may never 376 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,640 Speaker 1: be prosecuted. And what are the official acts of the constitution, Well, 377 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: like pardoning somebody or appointing an ambassador. But what if 378 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: you pardon somebody or appointed him ambassador to Luxembourg based 379 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: on a bribe or a payoff, Well, shouldn't that person 380 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 1: be convicted or prosecuted. One answer is, well, he can 381 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,120 Speaker 1: be impeached, or he could change the constitution to say, 382 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: you know, pardons are null and void if they're for 383 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: a criminal reason. Bottom line is, it's hard to defend 384 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,640 Speaker 1: Robert's argument that he should be absolutely immune. And yet 385 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: I think Roberts just felt so frustrated that all of 386 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: these actions civil and criminal actions against Trump. I mean, 387 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: people were even thinking about prosecuting George W. Bush for 388 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: prosecuting the war in Iraq. Vincent Buliosi right, and Manson 389 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: prosecutor wrote a whole book arguing for that, if you 390 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: have some you know, da from Biloxi, Mississippi, or Chicago, 391 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: Illinois that has it in for a politician, you don't 392 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: want that to happen. 393 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 2: Every president, at least in modern times, seems to get 394 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 2: some version of this, some attack from the other party. 395 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 2: Clinton went through a lot of stuff, some of which 396 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 2: nobody even understood at the time, but there was a 397 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 2: relentless attack on him. They were going after George W. Bush, 398 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 2: Trump and you know Biden has had to deal with 399 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 2: all kinds of accusations too. Is this just modern politics 400 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,199 Speaker 2: where both sides are going to use the judiciary and 401 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 2: investigations to attack one another now, And is Roberts right 402 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 2: to try to put a stop to this because this 403 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 2: leads to chaos. 404 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: I think you're right. I think what we are seeing 405 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 1: is toxic partisanship on the steroids, because, as you point out, 406 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: I mean a look at Richard Nixon, there was such 407 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: strong feeling against Richard Nixon, obviously led to his resignation. 408 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 1: And again, yeah, as you say Clinton, some presidents, you know, Eisenhower, 409 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,160 Speaker 1: Jerry for Jimmy Carter. You know, people got strong opinions, 410 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 1: but it's not like some sort of a death match. 411 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think we're in an era where, unfortunately, 412 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 1: whether whoever is in power, they got to worry about 413 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: prosecutors going against them. And you know Chief Justice Roberts 414 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: was trying to strike against that. 415 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,679 Speaker 2: Yes, the thing the president's presidency often was boring and 416 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 2: it didn't stir up huge passions in people, and now 417 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 2: everything is incendiary, and you wonder about the motivations of 418 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,719 Speaker 2: a lot of these investigations. Obviously right these there's something 419 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,159 Speaker 2: about the sheer number of investigations which makes you think, no, 420 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 2: this is uh, this is this is warfare. This is 421 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,640 Speaker 2: where the word lawfare came within the last year or two, 422 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 2: that this is not the way normal life was in 423 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 2: the past. 424 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no excuse for anybody using the system, the 425 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 1: criminal justice system, as some sort of a weapon for 426 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: their personal advancement or just political opposition. I mean, remember 427 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: the Ducla Cross guys who were accused of rape and 428 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: the only reason they got off was because they had 429 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: a really super sleuth Sherlock Holmes investigator who uncovered DNA 430 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: evidence that the DA hid, and these guys would still 431 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: be rotting in prison for rapes that they didn't commit 432 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: if that guy hadn't found it, and the DA is 433 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: lucky he didn't wind up in prison. They took his 434 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: law license away. So yeah, I mean, I think that's 435 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,719 Speaker 1: just a real downside to our era right now. 436 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, because it seems like a lot of people believe 437 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,479 Speaker 2: that anything goes doesn't matter if it's true or not, 438 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 2: or fair or not. It's like I want my side 439 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 2: to win, on the other side to die, all right, 440 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 2: thank you very much. 441 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: Ro Oaks. 442 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 2: Good to talk with you again. Rol Oaks from ABC News. 443 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 2: Coming up after and we'll play a little piece of 444 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 2: this video. And after two o'clock we are going to 445 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 2: talk with Todd Bensman. Todd Bensman is with the Center 446 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 2: for Immigration Studies. He has written many stories and he's 447 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 2: produced videos on the insanity at the US Mexico border. 448 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 2: We were going to have him on yesterday. He may 449 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 2: have heard me promoting it yesterday and we were scheduled 450 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 2: for today. He has an eleven minute video centering on 451 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 2: the world's most organized human smuggling operation, that's what he 452 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 2: calls it. It starts in a Columbia village in the northwest. 453 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 2: The village is called Kuppurghana. It's controlled by a paramilitary 454 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 2: organization and they transport thousands and thousands and thousands of 455 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 2: illegal aliens from all over the world and they take 456 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 2: them through the Darien Gap, which is this narrow strip 457 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 2: of land that connects North America with South America. It's 458 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 2: actually at the bottom of Central America, connects to Panama 459 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 2: with Colombia, and it's in virtually inaccessible, heavily forested mountainous. 460 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 2: Nobody lives there but somehow this smuggling operation brings thousands 461 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 2: and thousands of people through it and eventually to the 462 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 2: Mexican border and eventually in America, and they make a 463 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 2: lot of money along the way. It's fascinating video to watch. 464 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 2: You can go to Cia and Todd Benzman is his name. 465 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 2: We're going to talk to. This is a cool story. 466 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 2: After two o'clock. 467 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 3: You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI AM 468 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 3: six forty. 469 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 2: I have to stress coming up after two o'clock, you 470 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 2: got to hear Todd Benson. We're going to play in 471 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 2: ninety seconds of that story coming up in just a moment. 472 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 2: Because we talk about immigration a lot and it seems 473 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 2: like very distant and abstract, but how it really works 474 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 2: is fascinating. And how this power military organization in Colombia 475 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 2: transfers many, many thousands of migrants from all over the 476 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 2: world through one of the most difficult regions to pass through, 477 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 2: the Darien Gap, which connects North and South America. It's 478 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 2: really fascinating. So Tod's going to tell us about it 479 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 2: because he went there. But first, do you know that 480 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 2: meta Facebook has these smart glasses that they've been selling 481 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 2: and you're able, I guess to work the Internet through 482 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 2: these smart glasses. Well, two Harvard students have taken the 483 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 2: capabilities even further and they built an X ray what 484 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 2: they're called the I x ray component. He uses AI 485 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 2: follow me on this and facial recognition. So let's say 486 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 2: I'm wearing these glasses and I see you in the street. Yeah, 487 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 2: and I look at you. It'll instantly do facial recognition 488 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 2: and match you bet your face to wherever it is 489 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 2: on the Internet, and immediately tell me what your name 490 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 2: is and your address. I'll get all your private information, 491 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 2: the names of your family members, your work history. It'll 492 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 2: be all on screen as it were in my glasses. 493 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,479 Speaker 2: I don't like that these two guys, see, I think 494 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 2: these geniuses have to be taken away and imprisoned. It's 495 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 2: someone named on fu Win and Caine ar Dafio, two 496 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 2: engineers at Harvard. They're not releasing it. It's not for misuse. 497 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 2: They want to demonstrate what these smart glasses can do 498 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 2: with AI public databases, search engines. 499 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 4: But why this is not gonna lead to anything good? 500 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 4: Why don't you cure cancer? 501 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 2: I think they're saying, Look, if we don't do it, 502 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 2: somebody is going to do it, so we're first, here's 503 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 2: what it's going to do you better? 504 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think that there's so many I mean, 505 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 4: if you're so smart and you're figuring this stuff out, seriously, 506 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 4: let's cure cancer and some other diseases. Why do we 507 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 4: need to know people's personal information? And I mean that's invasive. 508 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 2: Somebody, if I look at you on the street, I'll 509 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 2: have your home address, phone number, age relatives, all from 510 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 2: public available records, social media profiles. They wrote an app 511 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 2: on the phone to process this. It works automatically, so 512 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 2: you can walk down the street and just you Let's 513 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 2: say you're some creepy guy like Zuckerberg used to be, 514 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 2: and you just look at every beautiful woman you're attracted to. 515 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 2: You can get all their vital information in your eye, 516 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:20,880 Speaker 2: on your eyeball. Yeah, that's not safe. No, that's not safe. 517 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 2: I want to see who's going to stop this now? Though? 518 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,240 Speaker 4: Well again, why don't you create glasses that can detect 519 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 4: cancer and figure. 520 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 2: Out a cure? But they don't. No one's interested in 521 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,319 Speaker 2: that's that's not cool. Tends of research isn't cool. 522 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 4: You know what it should be. 523 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 2: There's no big payoff for that. All right, let's plays 524 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 2: as a teaser as a warm up, this little ninety 525 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 2: second clip from Todd Bensman's video report on this paramilitary 526 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 2: smuggling organization in Columbia. 527 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 5: You get a taste as a primary staging area for 528 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 5: people that are heading into the gap into Panama. Behind me, 529 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 5: this is the dock, and behind me you're seeing immigrants 530 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:13,319 Speaker 5: that are actually unloading right now as we speak, on 531 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 5: their way to the trailheads. The trailheads are probably still 532 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 5: a good you know, twenty or thirty miles from here. 533 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 1: There is a. 534 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 5: Process in place, very organized process, because so many hundreds 535 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,799 Speaker 5: of thousands of people have come through here over the 536 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:38,800 Speaker 5: past few years to take advantage of Joe Biden's policy 537 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 5: of creating kind of a super highway out of the 538 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 5: Darien Gap. Much in the way of US National and 539 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 5: Homeland Security is writing on Panama's plan to close the 540 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 5: Darien Gap. The Biden Harris White House was supposed to 541 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,920 Speaker 5: help Panama pressure it to ally Columbia to shut this down. 542 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 5: Promised American for deportation flights out of Panama hasn't showed up, 543 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 5: forcing Panama to keep its side of the border open. 544 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 5: Still but the Clandel Gulfo, the United Nations, migrant health groups, 545 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 5: and the Colombian government, and thousands upon thousands of illegal 546 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,760 Speaker 5: immigrants who will end up living in America are still 547 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,439 Speaker 5: on the machine. All for one and one for all 548 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 5: here in northwestern Colombia. I'm Todd Bensman, set up for 549 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,920 Speaker 5: Immigration Studies in Colombia. 550 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 2: That's a ninety second clip out of eleven minute report 551 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 2: which you go to CIS dot org and Todd is 552 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 2: coming on next to talk about his experiences. All right, 553 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 2: Tod ben'sman. Next. You stay listening. First, you listen to Deborah. 554 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,399 Speaker 2: Thank you, she knows things I do. Deborah Mark Live, 555 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,279 Speaker 2: CAFI twenty four Hour Newsroom. Hey, you've been listening to 556 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,840 Speaker 2: the John Cobalt Show podcast. 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