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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iheartradiozalentm.

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Speaker 2: Zaren Oh Elizabeth, lady host. Hey, what's up, lady host?

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Speaker 3: How are you doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing well. Just man hosting over here. Sorry, gentlemen.

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Speaker 2: Hosting host Maxings maxing with a hammer in my hand.

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Speaker 3: The way to do you know what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: Just hit your temple though, I do. You know, Sometimes

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Speaker 2: you try to explain to somebody about like something you

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Speaker 2: saw online. In my case, usually it's going to be

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Speaker 2: like a skeeter or a tweet or whatever, a post,

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, and they're not not one of

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Speaker 2: your friends who are ever online, And I'm I'm sure

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Speaker 2: you have some of those, right, yeah, So and you're

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Speaker 2: trying to you sound like you're like I sound insane, right.

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Speaker 2: So I've now started taking screenshots so that I can

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Speaker 2: show them, like the post that I wanted and tended

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Speaker 2: to be trying to remember it and then look finding it, right,

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Speaker 2: So I found one that I wanted to share with

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Speaker 2: you because this reminds me of our conversations about cased meats,

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Speaker 2: and I often want to bring it up whenever we're

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Speaker 2: talking about case to meats.

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Speaker 3: So, which is often.

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Speaker 2: It's far more often than my other friends. So the

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Speaker 2: post is by c. Joiner and it's a classic. The

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Speaker 2: post says a sign in the window reads cured Meats. Inside,

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Speaker 2: Salami takes his first steps since the accident, A Preshudo

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Speaker 2: learns to forgive. It is absolutely love. It kills me

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Speaker 2: every time they absurdedes.

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Speaker 3: You know, I absurd comedy is what is giving me

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Speaker 3: life right now.

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Speaker 2: Going.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was.

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Speaker 2: At a bar that was having a birthday for a dog,

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Speaker 2: and I was trying to explain to my friend, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I didn't know the dog, but I was out there

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Speaker 2: at the bar when the party was going down, so

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Speaker 2: I took photos of it, you know, and I was like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 2: what's the dog's name? And like they pointed at the sign.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, God, isretty big? I should have seen that.

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Speaker 2: It's like happy birthday lady.

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Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, could have been anybody?

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Speaker 2: I thought that could have been yeah, pretty much anyone

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Speaker 2: in here. So yeah, there you go. Ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: It's ridiculous. Do you want to know what else is ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: Love it messing with No Show Jones? What what this is?

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Speaker 3: Ridiculous Crime? A podcast about absurd and outrageous cavers, heists,

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Speaker 3: and cons It's always ninety nine percent murder free and

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Speaker 3: one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: I know you don't heard that. Oh I don't heard

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Speaker 2: it that grape fun.

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Speaker 3: You and I have an affinity not just for Encase meets,

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Speaker 3: but for outlaw country music.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yes, yeah, Willie.

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Speaker 3: Nelson, Johnny cash, Merle Haggard, Haig Williams, Junior AKA.

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Speaker 2: But not so much David David Allen co. But I

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Speaker 2: like David Allen I know.

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Speaker 3: But I like when Junior calls himself bo. Got to

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Speaker 3: bring that up, Yes, Chrisson, he falls up in there.

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Speaker 2: So what do you call it, Jesse culter? I mean,

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Speaker 2: let's not leave her out.

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Speaker 3: Yes, So it's a seventies sub genre of country music

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Speaker 3: in this sense, anti establishment, rebellious, stripped.

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Speaker 2: Down sound outside of Nashville.

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Speaker 3: Yes, gritty lyrics, it's not polished up. It's very real.

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Speaker 3: These are the guys who are fighting against Nashville for

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Speaker 3: the soul of country. Yes, they wanted to save the

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Speaker 3: soul of traditionalist country. So Willy Willy started out with

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Speaker 3: traditionalist honky Tonk Roadhouse, and then Nashville got slick and glossy.

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Speaker 3: He went outlaws shotgun Willy. So the original traditionalists are

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Speaker 3: folks like Hank Williams, buck Owens, Lorette, A Lynn, and Merle.

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Speaker 3: I'll put Merle back into Jimmy Rodgers in there. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: definitely Jimmie Rogers. And we can't forget George Jones. So

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Speaker 3: while he fell more into the traditionalist camp rather than outlaw,

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Speaker 3: the guy lived the life of a country outlaw, like

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Speaker 3: a big old, messy country out He got them, Yes,

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Speaker 3: the other I want to talk about George Jones today

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Speaker 3: much possom. They called him the possum. He's not the

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Speaker 3: criminal in these stories. No, the crime just like buzzes

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Speaker 3: around him like horse flies in a stable. His run

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Speaker 3: and I don't find that particularly funny or entertaining. Clear

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Speaker 3: of all that, but let me tell you a little

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Speaker 3: bit about George Jones. Let's set the stage for what's

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Speaker 3: to come. George Glenn Jones born in September twelfth, nineteen

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Speaker 3: thirty one, in Saratoga, Texas. He grew up in nearby

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Speaker 3: of the Great Depression. His father, George Washington Jones, was

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Speaker 3: an alcoholic who was sometimes violent. His mother, Clara Patterson Jones,

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Speaker 3: she was musically inclined, and she really encouraged her son's

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Speaker 3: early interest in singing. And so he later said that

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Speaker 3: hearing gospel music in church and on the radio, especially

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Speaker 3: he was performing on the streets of Beaumont for tips,

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Speaker 3: and at sixteen he left home started playing in honky

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Speaker 3: tonks all across East Texas. So by nineteen fifty he

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Speaker 3: got married, got divorced.

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Speaker 2: You wanted to get one out, just knock it out, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Just like just a little trial run. He enlisted in

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Speaker 3: continue to play music when he could. He gets out

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's my look. You're able to just

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Speaker 3: It wouldn't that be amazing?

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Speaker 2: It would be the most amazing. Imagine.

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Speaker 3: He gets a recording contract with Starday Records in nineteen

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Speaker 2: The names oh Country Pappy Daily.

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Speaker 3: So his early country and Western yeah, very much so.

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Speaker 3: His early singles had that like hard edged honky tonk

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Speaker 3: five he had a song why Baby Why. It was

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Speaker 3: and then through the late fifties he recorded this string

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Speaker 3: He has expressive, kind of comedic vocals, and he shows

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Speaker 3: that he can be funny and demonstrate humor, but had

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Speaker 3: quickly became like his defining instrument. He had this really

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Speaker 2: Yes like Frank Sinatra that way yeah.

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Speaker 3: And a gift for really again like Sinatra, subtle freeze.

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Speaker 2: Raising totally lets you do with the great breath, you

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Speaker 3: Exactly. So he could slide between notes in a way

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, he had more of an ache than yes.

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Speaker 3: So all other artists, critics, they said that he was

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Speaker 3: the Many described him as the greatest male country singer

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Speaker 3: of his generation. Yeah. So his ballads were groundbreaking because

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Speaker 3: they were like super conversational and intimate and that went

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Speaker 3: Oh they all are kind of riffing him. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So in nineteen sixty six, George Jones and his band

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Speaker 3: recorded at Nugget Studios, and this was this like really

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Speaker 3: like out the Millanore. So George Jones, we can make

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Speaker 3: a racket, yeah exactly. Has a hit with White Lightning.

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Speaker 3: He's also got a hit. She thinks I still care.

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Speaker 3: But people are starting to hear about his drinking troubles

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Speaker 2: On benders possible.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he wasn't particularly reliable in the studio or on

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Speaker 3: the road, but people didn't care. They're just like, you're

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Speaker 3: too good. He still sells out shows. It's kind of like,

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Speaker 3: but you know, I'll hang in there. So during the

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Speaker 3: Nugget Sessions, Jones and his musicians they recorded a ton

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Speaker 3: originals was a song called Ship of Love and it

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Speaker 3: was co written with Earl Peanut Montgomery and Johnny Paycheck.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Johnny Paycheck right, so.

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Speaker 3: And he also like saying like harmony vocals and played

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Speaker 3: The recordings are produced under this agreement with Jimmy Donn

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Speaker 3: Enterprises that is a rad hillbilly company. So this was

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Speaker 3: Jimmy Klein.

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Speaker 2: So, Jimmy don Jimmy, I don't know why I thought

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Speaker 3: Gilbreth had known Jones for years. They worked together on

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Speaker 3: music on promo stuff, and according to documentation, that was

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Speaker 3: signed by Jones The arrangement called for payment of six

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Speaker 3: Hundred and thirty these would be for radio play sure,

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Speaker 3: of the rights transfer later became unclear, like did Jones

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Speaker 3: In a Sword statement years later, Kleine mentioned that Jones

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Speaker 2: Interest in the rust rights and publishing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're like why, He's like, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I can't explain it, possum, you just can't. So after

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Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy nine, Gilbreath he made a friend fellow

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Speaker 3: these shared interests they had bowling, go krt sales. You

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Speaker 3: know how you meet someone who're like you, I do

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Speaker 3: go I'm into go kart sales? Like no way, so

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Speaker 2: Are you saying go kart sales? You don't mean like

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Speaker 2: selling go karts? You mean a go cart that has

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Speaker 2: a sale?

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Speaker 3: No? No, no selling go carl face.

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Speaker 2: Was like a desert thing.

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Speaker 3: And commerce of go carts go cart dealers Like.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't be that easy talking about you like to

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Speaker 2: move units?

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Speaker 3: I love power what So they started hanging out with

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Speaker 3: at an Alabama bowling alley that was managed by Gilbreath

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Speaker 3: why not and like George Jones would come by sometimes

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Speaker 2: Yeah? They got.

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Speaker 3: So throughout the eighties, Gilbreath and Snotty they became partners

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Speaker 3: Mafia construction, real estate development. They also leased tour.

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Speaker 2: Busuction so cement were they also in like wistmans I think?

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Speaker 3: So they they leased tour buses to to George Jones

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Speaker 3: and sometimes to.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, one of my favorites.

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Speaker 3: So in addition to transportation services, they also handled the

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Speaker 3: I think mine is you win again. Yeah, they're great

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Speaker 3: So at that stage, Gilbreath presented the George Jones tapes

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Speaker 2: Will be they should sell.

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Speaker 3: So the court accepted the tapes as collateral and both

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Speaker 3: You think on your favorite Hanks on when we return

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Speaker 3: the tapes?

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Speaker 4: Nice Zaren Elizabeth, we're back where we are?

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Speaker 3: So have you thought a little bit more about your

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Speaker 2: I did while you were brushing at your hair during

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Speaker 3: Are you making fun of the fact that I don't

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Speaker 2: No? Never, Why would I do that? You caught me

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Speaker 2: you're cheating heart as probably, but I don't want to

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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna go with hey, good looking, cooking cooking

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Speaker 3: Looking. We could just sing Hank songs for the rest

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Speaker 2: Are you giving me that time to think about it?

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Speaker 2: Because I always feel like a bozo whenever I'm like no, no,

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Speaker 2: That's kind of tough because like they're all such different moves.

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Speaker 3: No, some originals, had a bunch of Hank Williams covers.

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Speaker 3: So this is in nineteen eighty four. By nineteen eighty

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Speaker 3: customs agent named Gary Gingrich, not Jerry Gurgich, and likely

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Speaker 3: to follow goodly. Time goes by with still no answer

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Speaker 3: You say, oh, it looks like that Egyptian dance. He says, Gogenheim.

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Speaker 3: What about the pilot? Where's he? I'd like the word

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Speaker 3: and not get caught. In fact, he was featured on

436
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 3: America's Most Wanted in nineteen eighty eight as a result

437
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 3: of this.

438
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:05,880
Speaker 2: As a result of this.

439
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,400
Speaker 3: Yes, he made it off of the airfield in College Dale,

440
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 3: got a friend to come pick him up and drive

441
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 3: him to Miami, and then from there he was believed

442
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 3: to have gone to the Bahamas. He was never seen again.

443
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 2: Ever, Sure he's never came back to America if he

444
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 2: could help it. Sure, so she can still.

445
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 3: Fly around because he'd been smuggling cocaine and other drugs

446
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 3: since the early seventies. He had connections all over the place.

447
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 2: I'm hoping some savings probably, I hope also, you know,

448
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,160
Speaker 2: around the same time, if I'm not mistaken, it could

449
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 2: have been these guys. But Pabulo Escobar found out that

450
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 2: Whalen was like doing his blow and he had a

451
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 2: like kilo sent directly and the FBI ended up tracking

452
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 2: a shipment that went directly from Pablo.

453
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:51,120
Speaker 3: These kind of makes sense how long that they were

454
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 3: exactly so the pilot he gets indicted, along with forty

455
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 3: other members of this smuggling ring, and that included Snotty

456
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 3: and gil Breath. And that was May of nineteen eighty six.

457
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 3: There had been this year long undercover operation to bust

458
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 3: what was a billion dollar operation at that time. So,

459
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 3: following the new charges, Bond gets revoked. The nugget tapes,

460
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 3: remember those, They get returned to the men's attorney, who

461
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 3: acknowledged retrieving them in nineteen eighty six, and he later

462
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 3: stated that, acting under instructions from his clients, he sold

463
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 3: the recordings for twenty eight thousand dollars to cover mounting

464
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 3: legal expenses. And it was only a fraction of their value.

465
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 2: That's what that was.

466
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 3: Grand they're saying it was a million.

467
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

468
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 3: So in nineteen eighty seven, both Gilbreath and Sicho.

469
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,360
Speaker 2: Selling a car for a book of stamps. Yeah exactly,

470
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,120
Speaker 2: I need to send this postcard.

471
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 3: Yes exactly. They get convicted in the cocaine case in

472
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty seven. Gilbreath gets out in nineteen ninety two

473
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 3: after cooperating against a cartel figure. I know, right, brave.

474
00:25:58,760 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 2: So it wasn't now long.

475
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 3: Snotty got free in nineteen ninety three, but then he

476
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 3: went back to prison for something else, and then he

477
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 3: got released in twenty fifteen. Now unexpectedly, in twenty fourteen,

478
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,439
Speaker 3: a Louisiana court found some of the Jones tapes stored

479
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 3: in a bank vault that had been used for court

480
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 3: collateral decades earlier. Because only Gilbreath had been formally listed

481
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 3: as the owner when the tapes were pledged, the court

482
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 3: released them to his estate following his two thousand and

483
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 3: five death. Current there was no will in place, a

484
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 3: Tennessee court appointed Dwayne Maddox the Third as the estate administrator.

485
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 3: He transferred the tapes to a Tennessee bank vault, where

486
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 3: they remain unplayed. Huh and then it gets, you know,

487
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 3: transferred over. It just bounces all over the place.

488
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 2: Does he know what they were? And you think, oh,

489
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 2: they got some real to real tape.

490
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 3: I guess Snotty, whose co ownership had never been formally recorded,

491
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 3: successfully pursued a legal claim to shared ownership in twenty eighteen.

492
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 3: Than twenty twenty, George Jones's sons find out about the tapes.

493
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 2: Thank you. I was wondering when the family would here

494
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 2: about these.

495
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 3: They sued Snoddy and the Gilbreath estate. They disputed the

496
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 3: ownership rights and they questioned the validity and the scope

497
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 3: of that original nineteen sixty six contract. So they said,

498
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 3: even if it's enforceable, the agreement seemed to restrict usage

499
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 3: only to radio broadcast, so not like records and not

500
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 3: April of twenty twenty two, a federal court intend.

501
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 2: And am.

502
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 3: So that's their suit. Right April of twenty twenty two,

503
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 3: a federal court in Tennessee dismissed the suit for lack

504
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 3: of jurisdiction. So, decades of legal maneuvering, we still don't

505
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 3: know what's on the tapes.

506
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 2: No one's heard them, no, no one.

507
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 3: Has publicly verified whether they contain the labeled master recordings

508
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 3: of the nineteen sixty six performances or if that old

509
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 3: magnetic tape could survive being digitized. It's so fragile at

510
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 3: this point. So a judge previously noted concerns that the

511
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 3: judge was like, look, there are these concerns that exposure

512
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 3: to magnetic or electrical interference could permanently erase them and

513
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 3: snatty in the Gilbreath estate. They want to market it,

514
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,239
Speaker 3: but Jones's sons are like, no, no, you can't. You

515
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 3: can't make money off of this like, we need to

516
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 3: get this all settled.

517
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 2: So good for them.

518
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 3: Let's go back to nineteen sixty nine's Elizabeth. That's when

519
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 3: George Jones married Tammy Wynette.

520
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 2: On the Age of Aquarius.

521
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 3: It's the age Tammy was a huge.

522
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 2: Country Tammy wan George.

523
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, forget about it.

524
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 3: Their partnership became one of country music's most commercially successful

525
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 3: and publicly scrutinized.

526
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 2: Marriage Honey, hush, honey.

527
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 3: They divorced in nineteen seventy five, and so his personal

528
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 3: George's personal struggle really escalated in the seventh.

529
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 2: A lot of the craziest stories yes to come from there.

530
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 3: Alcohol cocaine addiction would disrupt the recording sessions, the tour schedules.

531
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 3: He was notorious within the industry for missing concerts, and

532
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 3: that got him the nickname no Show Jones.

533
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 2: Yes, you know that the Gwaylon Jennings talking about the

534
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 2: time he had to like basically tie a rope and

535
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 2: tie George Jones to a tree. Yes, right, I mean

536
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 2: like that's where like he was a willful Yes he was.

537
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 3: Yes, he was a country boy, thank you. He started

538
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 3: to have more and more financial problems because he wasn't

539
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 3: showing up for these paid performances.

540
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he's gonna do what he's going to do, because.

541
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 3: Erratic behavior became legendary. And then there's the often retold

542
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 3: story that he once wrote a lawnmower riding lawnmower to

543
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 3: a liquor store after Tammy why Nutt hit his car keys.

544
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 2: I was trying not to bring that one up because

545
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 2: he sat up top, but U one of my favorite

546
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 2: stories of all country music history, just because of the

547
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 2: choice of like, yeah, like I was saying, he's wilful,

548
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm going to get there. I'll take my

549
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 2: rod and.

550
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 3: Mower and I'll come get on the john there you

551
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 3: can get down there. So despite these setbacks.

552
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 2: Did you know why people drove past him and didn't

553
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 2: give him a ride?

554
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 3: I've seen that when I lived down South. Oh I

555
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 3: bet I saw someone take a writing lord of the

556
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 3: liquor store. It was it was a thing.

557
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 2: See in California. It's like, oh, you're riding a little

558
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 2: girl's bike.

559
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 3: So despite all these setbacks, George Jones continued to record

560
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 3: really important work, and in nineteen eighty he released he

561
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 3: Stopped Loving Her Today, Oh Song, produced by Billy Cheryl.

562
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 2: This I'm talking about.

563
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 3: Somber, somber narrative about lifelong devotion ending only in death,

564
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 3: and that became the defining recording of his career. He

565
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 3: stopped loving her today. If you haven't heard it, you

566
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 3: got to listen to it. It won multiple awards, is

567
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 3: frequently cited by critics and other artists as one of

568
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 3: the greatest country songs ever recorded. Oh yeah, definitely, and

569
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 3: so the performance revitalized his reputation and also introduced him

570
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 3: to this whole new generation of listeners. So in nineteen

571
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 3: eighty three he married Nancy Sepulvido, and she became a

572
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 3: total stabilizing force in his life and in his career.

573
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 3: And so with her support, he got sober, rebuilt his

574
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 3: professional standing, and he credited her in nineteen eighties and

575
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 3: early nineties had all this renewed touring success.

576
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 2: Can you imagine both the strength and will you have

577
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 2: to have to meet George Jones and overcome him, and

578
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 2: then the kindness you also have to be. She has

579
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 2: to be one of the hardest and softest people.

580
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, and just like a rock Yeah, you know,

581
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 3: he had all these other hits, still doing time. I

582
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 3: always get lucky with you. He gets into the Country

583
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 3: Music Hall of Fame in nineteen ninety two, and in

584
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 3: April of twenty thirteen is when he passed away and

585
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 3: Nancy wanted to sell. They had this huge estate in

586
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 3: Tennessee Country Gold. It was called She wanted to sell

587
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 3: it when he passed away. During that summer, a guy

588
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 3: named Kirk West toured the property. He presented himself like

589
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 3: this seasoned investor. He wanted to buy it. There was

590
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 3: no deal that came about, but he starts buzzing around.

591
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 3: You know, he's like two decades younger than she is. Handsome, No, okay,

592
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 3: but we'll see anyway, who is Kirk? I mean for

593
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 3: some some ladies would probably look at the mir a

594
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 3: handsome man.

595
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 2: Are we talking about, like one of those like you know, handsome,

596
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 2: good old boy, like you know, conn to come.

597
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 3: Around, That's what I would say. So but like a

598
00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 3: little bit like Schlubier. Yeah yeah, anyway, who who is

599
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 3: Kirk West?

600
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 2: That's kirk question.

601
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 3: Let's take a break, and when we come back, I

602
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 3: shall tell you, Zaren, Zaren, who is Kirk West?

603
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 2: Elizabeth? I have been wondering who Kirk West is ever

604
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 2: since you mentioned his name. I know me too, possibly before.

605
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 3: I was hoping you could tell me because I have

606
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 3: nothing else on here. Let's find out, let's join that Kirk.

607
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:47,719
Speaker 3: He was born Kirk Leipzig, was raised in Wisconsin, and

608
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 3: he initially worked as a grocery store manager before he

609
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 3: reinvented himself as a career placement consultant. What I need

610
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 3: a new career. Let me talk to this guy.

611
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 2: So he's like essentially like a headhunter and life coach.

612
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, god, the whole life coaching. By the early two

613
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 3: thousands he had relocated to Nashville, was he had all

614
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 3: these different business names. The most notable one J. L.

615
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 3: Kirk Associates.

616
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 2: Oh you literally a bunch of different names like oh yeah,

617
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 2: welcome to Kirk America.

618
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 4: Oh yeah.

619
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 3: He had like a bunch of.

620
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 2: L's unfurnished furterature.

621
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 3: He had all these different explanations of why it was J. L.

622
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 3: Kirk Associates, And sometimes he, you know, was like, well,

623
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,720
Speaker 3: it's either Jesus Lord or Jesus loves.

624
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 2: He needs a Matthew McConaughey.

625
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 3: Just live in Kirk, Just live in Kurtney exactly. So

626
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 3: in two thousand and seven, this blogger Catherine Coeble in

627
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 3: Tennessee publicly criticized his firm. Apparently, her husband got an

628
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:55,760
Speaker 3: unsolicited call promising executive level employment with his firm.

629
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 2: With his firm, yes, with JKL, with.

630
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 3: JK, just keep living. He he had to pay some fees

631
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 3: up front first five grand.

632
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 2: Sorry j LK. You know Matthew McConaughey through me.

633
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh Jesus loves Kirk.

634
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 2: Ye remember that way.

635
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 3: She had to pay five thousand dollars in fees up front.

636
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,280
Speaker 2: Oh, he had to pay five thousands.

637
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, in order to get executive level employment. There were

638
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 3: just some like upfront fees.

639
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 2: It sounds like a modeling scam of the children. Totally

640
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:25,240
Speaker 2: wed to give a couple lesson.

641
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 3: Don't worry, you can put it on a credit card

642
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 3: week except credit cards. Five thousand dollars, like, ignore all

643
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 3: the red flags, she said. She described the intake process

644
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 3: as aggressive and manipulative rather than constructive, like, lady, come on,

645
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 3: I can't help you through everything. Think about this. So

646
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 3: after she published her account West so she goes and

647
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 3: blogs it out. She's like, I'm going to blog all

648
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,879
Speaker 3: over this. We're going to regret when she.

649
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 2: Found her way out of the public restroom. She was

650
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 2: stuck in for three days.

651
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 3: They won't let me reverse the charges on this credit card.

652
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 3: So attorney sent a cease and desist and threatened legal actions.

653
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 3: So what did she do? She posted the letter on

654
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 3: her blog. Yeah, rare, and so there's all this like

655
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 3: public commentary. By the year's end, West had closed his office.

656
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 2: Wow, that's far more.

657
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 3: And then local media reports the Better Business Bureau he

658
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 3: had received numerous complaints. And that's the end of that period.

659
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 2: Who cares a lot of.

660
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 3: West. He went on to promote himself as a real

661
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 3: estate investor specializing in distressed properties. And so he somehow

662
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 3: gets this favorable profile in Forbes and it highlights these

663
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 3: like rapid home flips, those with huge profits. He's like,

664
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 3: I'm flipping, flipping back and forth, slap it up, flip it.

665
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 3: So he uses all this he gets all this credibility

666
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 3: with perspective. According to Forbes quote, West boasted about flipping

667
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 3: two homes within six weeks, making nearly half a million

668
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,760
Speaker 3: dollars in profit. The spread became a calling card for West,

669
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 3: referring potential investors to the flattering piece as proof of

670
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 3: both his trustworthiness and track record.

671
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 2: Should I say it's neither. I'm just going to go

672
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 2: with the opposite of what he said.

673
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

674
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 3: Over time, lawsuits start stacking up. Investors are like, you know,

675
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 3: we gave him money, he bought the properties, then he

676
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 3: resold them and didn't tell us that he had sold them.

677
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,919
Speaker 3: Like still they think they're still just on the market

678
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 3: and sit.

679
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 2: He bought the properties with our money. Yeah, and then

680
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 2: he sold them and he kept all the money.

681
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 3: According to Rolling Stone quote, after reading West's Forbes article,

682
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 3: a couple who'd been in touch with West withdrew from

683
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 3: their retirement fund, used a portion of their savings, and

684
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 3: borrowed money from their adult son to invest one hundred

685
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 3: and fifty thousand dollars in a home West was flipping

686
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 3: in August of twenty ten. Allegedly promised a double return.

687
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 3: They learned West sold the house a year later and

688
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 3: never shared the profits. Only after confronting him did they

689
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 3: manage to recoup one hundred and fifteen thousand dollars, filing

690
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 3: suit for the remaining thirty five thousand dollars. This is like,

691
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 3: so that case eventually gets dismissed because they started missing

692
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 3: deadlines on it. So I mean anyway, financial institutions, other entities,

693
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 3: they start suing him too. He has all these unpaid debts.

694
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 3: He owed a local paper money for ads that he ran.

695
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 3: Mercedes Benz was subscription. Basically, Mercedes Benz is like, we

696
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 3: need to talk. You owe us thirty thousand in car

697
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 3: payments at leasing and even as attorney sued him after

698
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 3: the property that he was renting entered foreclosure. Also form

699
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 3: Rolling Stone magazine quote, even West's own attorneys sued him.

700
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 3: Scott Johansson said he successfully fought off several fraud litigation

701
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 3: claims against West, but after the house Johansson was living

702
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 3: in which he rented from West, suddenly went into foreclosure,

703
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 3: he filed suit. In February of twenty fourteen, Johansson listed

704
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 3: seven alleged Ponzi schemes West was involved in between November

705
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 3: twenty eleven and August twenty thirteen. He alleged West followed

706
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 3: the same pattern in each instance. After West was quote

707
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 3: threatened by an attorney with a civil law action and

708
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 3: potential criminal prosecution for allegedly orchestrating and participating in a

709
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 3: Ponzi scheme, Johansson claimed Westwood settle with moneies borrowed and

710
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,240
Speaker 3: or otherwise secured for one or more third parties.

711
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 2: So I had to wonder about Johansson. Yeah, as the

712
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: lawyer who knows what he's defending, he seems yeah, and

713
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:46,919
Speaker 2: then he decides, like I'm going to run a house

714
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 2: from this guy who's like scamming everybody won't scam he.

715
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 3: Will skim me, no special baby. So the case becomes

716
00:39:56,239 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 3: moot because West declared bankruptcy. Okay, thanks, Personally, like the

717
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 3: guy had been married multiple times and then court records

718
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 3: show like he had all these child support disputes. There

719
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 3: was infidelity alleged and abuse. In one of the divorces,

720
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 3: there was an order of protection. His ex wife accused

721
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 3: him of harassment. He had a misdemeanor charge for violating

722
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 3: the order, but it got dropped.

723
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 2: Is there anything not gross about it?

724
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 3: No, family members, It gets worse. Family members described that

725
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 3: he had like two different personas. He had like this

726
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 3: publicly affable religious side and then the private, controlling, volatile partner.

727
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 2: Okay, once again my previous answer.

728
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 3: So Rolling Stone spoke with his former stepdaughter Alicia Porter

729
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 3: quote he was also a cheater. Porter claims he told

730
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 3: my mom that he was going on a spiritual retreat,

731
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 3: and she followed him to the airport and found another

732
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 3: woman's luggage tag and that he was taking the woman

733
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 3: on a ten thousand dollars vacation on their anniversary.

734
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 2: Morn says, maybe he had plans to see God with

735
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 2: that woman.

736
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:08,479
Speaker 3: I bet he did. So. All sorts of exes tell

737
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 3: similar stories. I'm sure he'd overwhelm them, love bombam, shower

738
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 3: them with gifts, help around the house. He targeted like

739
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 3: single mombs who were struggling, straight up predator. Then he

740
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 3: turn and like get mean and violent and basically.

741
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 2: He was a piece of I hate this guy.

742
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 3: He was a piece of Yeah, I'm gonna say one.

743
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 3: We're talking about twenty fifteen.

744
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 2: I mean, did I not blush?

745
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 3: He has all these like lawsuits, all this stuff. He

746
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 3: legally changed his name from Leipzig and in the court

747
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 3: documents he listed his reason as quote, don't like my

748
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 3: name always misspelled too hard, And that's when he became Kirkquest.

749
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 3: So in April of twenty thirteen, that's when he met

750
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 3: Nancy Jones. She wanted to sell Country Gold, the ninety

751
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 3: six hundred square foot home on eight acres that she

752
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:02,240
Speaker 3: shared with George Jones.

753
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 2: How did their circles intersect.

754
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 3: I'm about to tell you. I can just imagine George

755
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 3: Jones coming back and tuning this guy up.

756
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,720
Speaker 2: Like just bending a golf club over his head.

757
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 3: So when West went to look at Country Gold, do

758
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 3: you know who was with him? No, Jamie Spears, father

759
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 3: of Britney Spears, That scumbag, as Marissa researcher. Marissa said,

760
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 3: quote this is entirely unexplained, but seems to track.

761
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 2: Birds of a feather.

762
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 3: I mean, so she's going out on the market and

763
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 3: he goes as a real estate investor, okay, and he's like,

764
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,919
Speaker 3: he presents himself as this quiet, god fearing man.

765
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 2: So he gets a home tour and she has to

766
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 2: be the one. Dude.

767
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Nancy, she's religious and so that was really

768
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 3: appealing to her. He laid it on stick. He gained

769
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 3: her friendship and her trust per Rolling Stone, Well.

770
00:42:58,520 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 2: Will you pray with me, sister?

771
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Quote. Nancy had been distraught when the

772
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 3: Honky Tonk crooner died, and she cherished what seemed to

773
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 3: be a genuine friendship with West in the immediate months

774
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 3: after Jones's death. That quickly blossomed into romance.

775
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 2: Teeth so hard.

776
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 3: My friends of hers were suspicious that he targeted Nancy

777
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 3: because she was vulnerable and wealthy.

778
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 4: Yes quote, and he's a sleeves ball quote.

779
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 3: I never trusted him. An old friend of Nancy's who

780
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 3: knew the couple for more than a decade tells Rolling

781
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 3: Stone George had just passed and all of a sudden,

782
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,439
Speaker 3: this guy shows up hanging around with Nancy. It's kind

783
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 3: of obvious what he was looking for. It seems to

784
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 3: me that he was just looking for the widow's money.

785
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 3: But he's hung around for a long time. I guess

786
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 3: he was playing the long game. And he's a guy

787
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 3: that reads obituaries and praise on people, said one former

788
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 3: ex girlfriend. And I'm fairly confident that's how he managed

789
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 3: to get in touch with Nancy.

790
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. So I've heard about people reading obituaries

791
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 2: trying to find like a rent control department in York,

792
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 2: and I was like, that's a good angle, but like

793
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 2: this is like just next level, like just cruising the

794
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 2: Nashville widow scene and like, go on, who's got money

795
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 2: the lowest?

796
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 3: So but she seemed happy, So her friends decided to

797
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 3: mind their own business. But in October twenty fourteen, they

798
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 3: did run a background check on him. They found over

799
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 3: a dozen like state and federal lawsuits filed against him Wisconsin, Tennessee.

800
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 3: They didn't tell Nancy about the background check, just for gossip.

801
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,439
Speaker 3: A friend said, quote. A friend said quote. Time went

802
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 3: by and she was still with him. I just let

803
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 3: it be. I never showed it to her because it

804
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 3: seemed like she was happy.

805
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 2: No, it's tough, I will say that, friend.

806
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,439
Speaker 3: It is tough in those situations when you see someone

807
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 3: in Nancy's type of position, like bad relationship, whatnot, because

808
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 3: a lot of times if you do say something, either

809
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 3: the person won't listen or they'll get defensive or start

810
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 3: to pull away.

811
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 2: But now your standard like that, but if you have receipts.

812
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 3: But even then, if they start to pull away, you

813
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 3: won't be able to see when things get really bad.

814
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 3: Like you such a.

815
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 2: Tough I totally agree, but I'm saying that. But can't

816
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 2: you have the conversation if you've got pages of lawsuits

817
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 2: and civil complaints and like, But you know, these these

818
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 2: predator guys, they have they have answers that they're ready.

819
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, so within weeks of their meeting. Now, remember he

820
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 3: shows up like, oh, yeah, I'm a real estate investor. Yeah,

821
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,320
Speaker 3: He's like, I have to tell you something, Nancy, and broke.

822
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 3: So she's like, you know what, I will help you.

823
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 3: She moves him into the home in a separate wing

824
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 3: of the estate. And she later said, you know, it

825
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 3: was totally platonic at first, but then it became intimate

826
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 3: and from early on and they're like, you know, twenty

827
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 3: something years different.

828
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 2: Just like as in Day and Tom Holland lovers friends.

829
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,280
Speaker 3: To lover her, friends to love her exactly classic.

830
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 2: So we're gonna yank my tongue out and wrap it

831
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 2: around my throat and pull real tight. Don't mind me.

832
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 3: So from early on she financed their lifestyle. Of course,

833
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 3: she They went on these like fancy tropical vacations. She

834
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 3: bought them a new Mercedes he to replace the other one.

835
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 2: He said, twenty years separates them. Yeah, do we have

836
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 2: any idea of like where those twenty years are located? Like,

837
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 2: is it like seventy to fifty forty?

838
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know. I'm gonna guess probably

839
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 3: like seventy to fifty sixty too.

840
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 2: In the sixty five forty five the difference.

841
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 3: In late twenty thirteen, jewelry went missing from Nancy's safe

842
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 3: and police identified West as a suspect, but the matter

843
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 3: was closed without resolution over time.

844
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 2: You know, she didn't want press charge.

845
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,240
Speaker 3: Yeah. He then starts taking on more and more roles

846
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 3: in her business affairs. So he helped Nancy make the

847
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 3: George Jones Museum in Nashville a reality. There was a restaurant,

848
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 3: events space, roof, deck, bar, and of course a gift shop.

849
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 3: I would certainly hope they sold the bumper stickers there.

850
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 3: West became the general manager and he worked in the restaurant.

851
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 3: Nancy worked as a waitress, and she cleaned the toilets.

852
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 2: Wait, wait, wait, I'm going to need you to back up.

853
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 2: He's the manager in the restaurant. She's cleaning toilets of

854
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 2: her own volition, in her the place that she owns.

855
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 3: I know George Jones was looking down on all this

856
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 3: and was absolutely steaming.

857
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 2: I'm sure he insisted on being reincarnated just so he

858
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 2: could have time to come beat this guy up from there.

859
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 2: Give me a couple of years, just enough to learn

860
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 2: to watch.

861
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 3: So then Nancy made a deal Concord Bicycle Music. They

862
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 3: bought George Jones's music catalog for thirty million dollars in

863
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 3: twenty sixteen.

864
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 2: In twenty sixteen, that seems like a crazy discount.

865
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 3: In the paperwork for the sale, West is listed as

866
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 3: secretary for the record company and business manager for the estate, and.

867
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 2: Then the double books the sale.

868
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 3: That same year, West gets arrested on federal bank fraud charges.

869
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 3: Prosecutor say that he falsified income and net worth figures.

870
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 3: He submitted forged documents all in order to get mortgages,

871
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 3: and he made himself look like a high earning investor

872
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 3: and not a predator who scams vulnerable women. So he

873
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 3: pleaded guilty. He received a sentence that included house arrest

874
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 3: and around a million dollars in restitution. Nancy paid the

875
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 3: legal expenses. Oh advanced the funds to satisfy the restitution obligations.

876
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 3: He's like, I will pay you back, Zarin. He never

877
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 3: paid her back, no kidding, yeah, And then West told

878
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 3: others that like, Oh, I was able to pay it

879
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 3: back because she and I did a lot of good

880
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 3: investing together.

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Speaker 2: I don't understand how you go from I can like

882
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,919
Speaker 2: hang with the possum to I can get worked by

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00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 2: this bozo e.

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00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 3: So during house arrest, West got super into crypto. Oh,

885
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 3: so he encouraged Nancy to buy a bunch of cryptocurrency

886
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 3: Doge and ethereum. Those are like the big ones. In

887
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 3: a sworn Affidavid, Nancy said, quote, mister West volunteered to

888
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 3: access my accounts with crypto trading platforms in light of

889
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 3: his assertion that I was far too inexperienced. Each investment

890
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 3: was funded by assets transferred from my personal bank accounts

891
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 3: and was performed by mister West on my behalf and

892
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 3: for my benefit. In twenty twenty five, she finds out

893
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 3: that West is hooked up with another lady who has

894
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 3: just publicly announced their engagement. According to Rolling Stone, quote,

895
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 3: in late April twenty twenty five, the woman posted a

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Speaker 3: video of a massive oval cut diamond ring marking herself

897
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 3: engaged on Facebook with book officially all that's how, that's

898
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Speaker 3: how you really send out good announcements.

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Speaker 2: So after I don't know if I can grind my

900
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Speaker 2: TV any harder.

901
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 3: And they're going to come spraying out of the side

902
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 3: of your face. After confronting him, Nancy had her granddaughter

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00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 3: helped her secure her valuables, and they found that there

904
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 3: was four hundred thousand dollars in cash missing from a

905
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Speaker 3: safe in the house.

906
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Speaker 2: And does she even know what all of her valuables

907
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 2: are at this point since he's got some of it

908
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:12,240
Speaker 2: in crypto?

909
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 3: I mean like, also, how much cash do you have

910
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 3: in the safe? In that worse worse though, you know

911
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 3: what else was missing from the safe a ledger containing

912
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 3: more than eleven million dollars in cryptocurrency. There you go,

913
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 3: it was gone from the safe. Stand yep, So she

914
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 3: fouled a police report. Then she hired forensic specialists to

915
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 3: come trace the assets. West calls her up and is like,

916
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 3: I'll give you some of the crypto back. I'll give

917
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 3: you five million.

918
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 2: Are you going to make a deal?

919
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 3: And he's like the rest is mine for because it's

920
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 3: mine because they were According to Rolling Stone quote, what

921
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 3: happened next is unclear. West says Jones agreed to split

922
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,879
Speaker 3: their assets evenly so he would move out of the house.

923
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 3: Jones's lawsuit does not mention such an agreement. None of

924
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 3: the traditional assets were divided between them. When West left,

925
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:11,720
Speaker 3: doesn't she I know all he needs like two good rowans,

926
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,879
Speaker 3: you can get this done with call in Jim and Dawn.

927
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 3: It became pretty obvious that West was going to make

928
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 3: a break for it, like he's going to run Kim.

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00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 2: I'm surprised he's still in the country.

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00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 3: Sure enough, authorities arrested him at the airports Court YEP

931
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 3: July of twenty twenty five. He had a one way

932
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 3: ticket to the Philippines and he was with a lady friend.

933
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 2: Of course.

934
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, so charged with felony theft. He pleaded not guilty.

935
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 3: He did two weeks in county while he worked and

936
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Speaker 3: weaseled to get his bail reduced from a million to

937
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 3: four hundred thousand. He's looking at fifteen to sixty years,

938
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 3: so it's pending. Nancy subsequently filed suit seeking recovery of

939
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 3: the cryptocurrency. Her complaint characterizes West's conduct as consistent with

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00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:02,720
Speaker 3: this pattern of exploiting women through charm and the appearance

941
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 3: of financial success. This is what it says in the

942
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 3: suit quote. It was West's well established modus operendi to

943
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 3: use his looks, gentlemanly manners, and veneer of a successful

944
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 3: real estate career to exploit wealthy, potentially vulnerable women. And

945
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 3: she's being generous with the whole looks thing.

946
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 2: Okay, I was wondering. I mean, he sounds like this

947
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 2: is a very classic, like dating backs when I was

948
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 2: a kid. This is an average year about like a whatever,

949
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 2: like carpet bagging Southerners into in the post Civil war period,

950
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 2: coming down and like romancing some civil war widow and

951
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 2: whole plantation like this has been all basically story.

952
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 3: Yes. In early twenty twenty six West countersuit, he said

953
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 3: that their assets had been combined and that he's entitled

954
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 3: the half of certain holdings, including crypto currency, five million

955
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 3: dollars in gold and silver and a million in cash.

956
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 3: And then he also part of his lawsuit was reputational

957
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 3: harm and defamation. Sir, sure, sure, ma'am. No, ma'am. That's

958
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 3: when I swat him on the nose, No, ma'am. The

959
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 3: litigation remains ongoing.

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00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 2: Under the windy xerous Sir, you are under a Windy's.

961
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 3: Zero. Your ridiculous takeaway.

962
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 2: I hope that goes to George Jones, catches up to

963
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 2: him as soon as he's behind bars and can't get away,

964
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:28,240
Speaker 2: and spends all of his nights just like getting whispered

965
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,800
Speaker 2: too till he goes mad or till his cellmate just

966
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 2: you know, like helps him find heaven.

967
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 3: I just I just this guy, what the like?

968
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 2: I cannot believe. I don't know. You know me, I'm

969
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 2: not a big fan of taking it. I don't mind

970
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 2: con men in particular because I understand, but I like

971
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 2: it when they go for fat cats, when they get

972
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 2: somebody who's full of themselves and they know the hoists

973
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 2: it on the pitard bit Like I'm okay with like

974
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 2: Robin A. Rockefeller, But if you're going and robbing the

975
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 2: widow of a country music legend.

976
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 3: I mean, she she's well whatever, but he's a predator.

977
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying it. Also, she's very vulnerable.

978
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:04,720
Speaker 3: He's vulnerable.

979
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 2: The Rockefeller ain't vulnerable. He's just a fool. Like you

980
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 2: can rob a rich full and all I may applaud,

981
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 2: but you rob like a rich, vulnerable person who is

982
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 2: grieving essentially when they first meet, Yes, exactly, lonely and low,

983
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh I can take I can fill

984
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:20,399
Speaker 2: that hole in your heart.

985
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 3: My takeaway is I love that you got me so

986
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 3: mad on Tuesday and now today I got you so mad.

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00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 4: That is how do we see this?

988
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 2: That's fun?

989
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 3: Well, we have a lot of tent up rage that

990
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 3: we're just directing.

991
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 2: We have like this weird InSync quality, like you know,

992
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 2: like two college women who would get on the same

993
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 2: period cycle. You know, it's like you become roommates. You're like,

994
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 2: I don't know, now we're on the same side. A

995
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 2: week after a week we go through and like this

996
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 2: week apparently was let's rage bait the other.

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00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, well there it is. I think I need

998
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 3: to talk back.

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00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:58,320
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: I went you. Hey, guys, Scott from here in North Carolina.

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Speaker 3: Here so I actually have lyrics to.

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Speaker 1: Your theme song.

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Speaker 2: Here it goes Zarah Nan Liza the crimes head all.

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Speaker 3: Ridiculess, murder free Eliza, but hate SERBESO, dude are here.

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Speaker 2: Knows?

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00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 1: Who cares?

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00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 2: Love you guys, wait so much? That is so good base.

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00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 2: That was incredible, brother, that was amazing. And also, by

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Speaker 2: the way, you can say, I like I.

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Speaker 3: Heard this song, you know hey those good time is

1011
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Speaker 3: good man, Thank you, thank you.

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00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 2: That's it for today.

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Speaker 3: us at Ridiculous Crime at gmail dot com. Most importantly,

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Speaker 3: as always, leave us a talkback on the free iHeart

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