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Speaker 1: Last season college football Saturday, at least as we've come

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Speaker 1: with altered schedules and viewing experiences. Now, as we look

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Speaker 1: a special production, So now What. Welcome back to the

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Speaker 1: final installment of So now What. This time we're talking

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Speaker 1: about the fan experience. I am joined as always, I'm

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Speaker 1: a good friend, Dan Rubenstein, Dan, how you doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm great? And I could not be a bigger fan

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Speaker 2: of yours or the panel of reverballers that come on

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Speaker 1: We had a panel of verballers helping us with this

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Speaker 1: final topic, the fan experience. Thus far, we've discussed things

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Speaker 1: like what it meant to make decisions from the conference level,

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Speaker 1: though that perhaps the biggest impact was felt by the fans,

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Speaker 1: the fans trying to watch the product at home, trying

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Speaker 1: twenty season was far from usual, and I think it's

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Speaker 1: a topic you and I grappled with quite a great

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Speaker 2: Well, which should be noted also fans grappling with going

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Speaker 2: So it was strange no matter where your vantage point was.

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Speaker 1: Did you feel about it?

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Speaker 2: It was odd? It was odd. I've talked about it,

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Speaker 1: I was incredibly torn on how to feel about the season,

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Speaker 1: One of the things that we saw, one of the

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Speaker 2: How many emails do we get every year? Every week,

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Speaker 4: I just sort of mailed in my fandom. Last year.

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Speaker 1: Much more casual approach to it. Dan not all in

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Speaker 1: It wasn't a huge drop off for me. But I

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Speaker 1: I think it was a welcome distraction, good on the weekends.

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Speaker 2: watching it, it shifted from me being disappointed in the

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Speaker 2: Iowa State. There shouldn't be an asterisk on this. This

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Speaker 2: Iowa State fans were especially happy to have that sort

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Speaker 2: made me happy for them. It was that silver lining

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Speaker 1: I was thrilled that Notre Dame made the playoff. I

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Speaker 1: was thrilled that they got a crack at Alabama. I

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Speaker 1: wasn't as thrilled by the end result. But as distractions

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Speaker 1: go amid a pandemic and social unrest for a multitude

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Speaker 1: of reasons, I'll take it. Thanks for listening to the

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Speaker 1: fan Experience Part one. Join us on Thursday for Part two,

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Speaker 1: as we close the book on twenty twenty and get

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Speaker 1: ready for twenty twenty one special Thanks to our esteemed

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