Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio podcast.
Speaker 2: So this week's podcast, do you guys ever watch Riverdale? No?
Speaker 3: I did not.
Speaker 4: Did I watch? Did I maybe had? I don't know
Speaker 4: how many seasons there were? Yeah, but I think I
Speaker 4: watched like maybe three or four seasons. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 4: remember how many there were, though I stopped at some point.
Speaker 2: I think I auditioned for it, but I can't remember.
Speaker 4: I feel like we've talked about this. I feel like
Speaker 4: you did, did I? It was really great?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 3: Riverdale?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I liked it.
Speaker 2: I yeah, I never I never watched it, but I
Speaker 2: heard it was a great show. But we've got Marisol
Speaker 2: Nichols coming on, and this is a conversations that started
Speaker 2: in our dms. Did you ever end up seeing that
Speaker 2: video I posted? Because I never really talked about it.
Speaker 4: I saw your like explanation, but I didn't see the.
Speaker 2: Actual video of actual video. It's cute, but we'll get
Speaker 2: into that. But uh, yeah, she works with a nonprofit
Speaker 2: organization dedicated to combating human trafficking. So it's going to
Speaker 2: be a tough conversation, but a conversation that we all
Speaker 2: should obviously learn. And and and here and how it's just.
Speaker 3: It's going to be it's going to be else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little education, and also it's going to be tough,
Speaker 2: but it's one that needs to be had. So let's
Speaker 2: get Marisol on.
Speaker 1: How are you guys good?
Speaker 3: How are you good?
Speaker 1: I'm good. I have my dog on my lap now
Speaker 1: we're talking. He is refusing to go anywhere else but
Speaker 1: on my.
Speaker 3: Lap, so it doesn't need to go anywhere else.
Speaker 2: Well, we're really excited to have you on and have
Speaker 2: a very important conversation. And we were kind of just
Speaker 2: talking before the show too, because I remember talking to
Speaker 2: David because he was so passionate about, you know, all
Speaker 2: of this, and and then he said that you guys
Speaker 2: started this podcast and that was I mean, how how
Speaker 2: many years was has it been?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 3: Is a two? Three?
Speaker 1: Well? Three? Or actually about three?
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay three years?
Speaker 2: And so you know, I and we were trying to
Speaker 2: chat because I'm like, wait it did it start from
Speaker 2: a role? Was it something you've just always been passionate about?
Speaker 2: Or like, how did you get into the sex trafficking
Speaker 2: fighting exactly?
Speaker 1: It's like the question, I've been doing this since twenty twelve,
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen. I have my own nonprofit called Foundation for
Speaker 1: Slavery fee World, and I dove in kind of pretty
Speaker 1: much as soon as I started hearing about the horrific
Speaker 1: things that were happening to children, and I was shocked
Speaker 1: that it was in this country, like it was always
Speaker 1: something that like that wasn't always, but it was. You
Speaker 1: would hear whisperings about it back in twenty twelve, twenty thirteen,
Speaker 1: and I would I would think, probably like everyone else did, oh,
Speaker 1: that's such a horrible thing to happen to kids over there.
Speaker 1: Over there was because there's no way this could be happening,
Speaker 1: you know, here in America CA. And then I learned
Speaker 1: it was here in America, and then I learned it
Speaker 1: was in every single city, and then I learned the
Speaker 1: extent of it. And it's grown, you know, exponentially since
Speaker 1: I started back then. So I dove in and I
Speaker 1: ended up. You know, I'm sure you've read that I've
Speaker 1: gone undercover and done these stingops in both here in
Speaker 1: America and different countries off and on for the last decade.
Speaker 3: How many sting operations have you been on?
Speaker 1: At least a dozen, if not more.
Speaker 3: And have you caught them?
Speaker 2: And have you caught the sex trafficker in each sting
Speaker 2: operation that you've done.
Speaker 1: I wish I could say, yes, some of them we
Speaker 1: haven't been able to go back and take down yet,
Speaker 1: and a lot of them, yes, like that's the payoff.
Speaker 1: Like a lot of them is these women and children
Speaker 1: being like wait and able to go home and putting
Speaker 1: the bad guy behind bars. And it's not like I
Speaker 1: can say, oh, hey, I did that one. But you know,
Speaker 1: I've saved the newspaper clippings and stuff when they when
Speaker 1: they do go down, because it's really nice.
Speaker 2: You know, it's really sad. And maybe I'm just missing it.
Speaker 2: But I just don't feel like I hear the stories
Speaker 2: of sex traffickers getting caught. I feel like it should
Speaker 2: be headline, headline news. Am I missing something or is
Speaker 2: it just not?
Speaker 4: I think if for me personally, because it is not
Speaker 4: like you by any means but a passion of mine.
Speaker 4: I do see those stories, but I am looking for that,
Speaker 4: you know, So I am following things, looking at things
Speaker 4: for those success stories. So I do see them, but
Speaker 4: I don't think that if you otherwise are.
Speaker 2: Hearing a mainstream media, I've not seen them.
Speaker 1: When you've got like a diddy. Yes, that's me, sure, sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: But when it's it's so prevalent, you would think you'd
Speaker 1: be hearing about it. Oh And like she said, like,
Speaker 1: once you do start hearing about this and educating yourself,
Speaker 1: you tend to see it everywhere. But before that, it's
Speaker 1: just sort of I don't know what it is. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's a protective mechanism, but you just
Speaker 1: kind of it's a hard thing to confront.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think what's interesting too. And something that
Speaker 2: you said was, we think that it's happening everywhere else,
Speaker 2: and up until a couple of years ago, that's what
Speaker 2: my thought process was. I truly was like, oh, this
Speaker 2: just happens in you know, these smaller countries or countries
Speaker 2: that are far away. There's no way that happens here.
Speaker 2: And then you realize it's a whate hundred and fifty something.
Speaker 2: How much money is this business?
Speaker 1: One hundred and fifty billion, one.
Speaker 2: Hundred and fifty billion dollar business. I'm like here here
Speaker 2: in the United States, Like, that's right, that's the number
Speaker 2: for the United States.
Speaker 1: It's percent of all women and children that are rescued
Speaker 1: in the United States from sex trafficking or American citizens.
Speaker 2: Like, that's insane, that's I mean, that's just like, how
Speaker 2: were people not like eyes wide open on that.
Speaker 1: I think everyone's sort of still catching up to it, Jane.
Speaker 1: I think most people are still like, what do you
Speaker 1: I mean, this happens here? Like even police departments in
Speaker 1: this country are still catching up to it. You know.
Speaker 1: One of my dear dear friends started the trafficking department
Speaker 1: here in the LAPD and he goes around the whole
Speaker 1: all around the United States, lecturing and talking to other
Speaker 1: police departments, educating them and teaching them how to do
Speaker 1: this and what to look for. Because people are still
Speaker 1: kind of playing catch up. You know, for the longest time,
Speaker 1: we thought, oh that girl on the street is there
Speaker 1: willingly you didn't know, Oh she's being controlled by someone
Speaker 1: that you don't see.
Speaker 5: Tell us is there something that you and I know
Speaker 5: this Like, I'm so overwhelmed by the topic. I think
Speaker 5: I don't even know what specifically to ask you. There's
Speaker 5: like a couple of things I have pinned in my brain.
Speaker 5: But is there something that is like ultra red flag
Speaker 5: everyone could see that we just choose not to see.
Speaker 5: When say, you're at a mall or you're on a
Speaker 5: street or whatever.
Speaker 1: That's a great question because there's so many different tactics
Speaker 1: these guys use. My main number one, major, major thing
Speaker 1: is Instagram, meta, Facebook apps, anywhere where these predators can
Speaker 1: contact a child, and I look for who's following. Okay,
Speaker 1: so there's a young girl, she's twelve or thirteen, she's posting,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know her pictures that she drew,
Speaker 1: and you'll see immediately like hundreds and hundreds of men
Speaker 1: immediately following her. So looking in the dms, looking in
Speaker 1: the messages on roadblocks or minecraft or anywhere really where
Speaker 1: they can contact kids. Another red flag would be, you know,
Speaker 1: something that's more obvious that maybe a mother would just
Speaker 1: see going to Like I'm the hawk, I'm the one
Speaker 1: who will go to a park where my kid may
Speaker 1: be playing at and then I'm looking for all the
Speaker 1: men that are at the park, and do they have kids,
Speaker 1: are they talking to kids? Is there a guy in
Speaker 1: a car idling which happens all the time, just watching
Speaker 1: the kids play? So any any like even gymnastics. My
Speaker 1: daughter was in a gymnastics class and I was looking
Speaker 1: at the men in the audience just you know, they're observing.
Speaker 1: And then when the class ended, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: half these men are not half. I shouldn't say that.
Speaker 1: Some of these men aren't walking home with any kids,
Speaker 1: aren't leaving with any kids. They're just they're observing.
Speaker 5: And these are areas that I'd assume you're in safer
Speaker 5: areas safer in air quotes like it's not like you're
Speaker 5: I just want to, like, I guess expand our brains
Speaker 5: in the way that like this is quite literally everywhere.
Speaker 4: Christen, you do know, sorry, but you know it's one
Speaker 4: of the largest hubs is here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Brent with Tennessee, which is rich and spring into
Speaker 2: spring Hill.
Speaker 4: Because of I sixty five. It's an easy out.
Speaker 1: Everywhere, everywhere everywhere in the United States.
Speaker 3: How do you know what you know and be a mom?
Speaker 5: I think that's where like my throat is like literally closing,
Speaker 5: Like I was reading through everything last night and I'm
Speaker 5: just like, I just want to cry and I feel
Speaker 5: helpless and it feels huge and unstoppable, and I hate
Speaker 5: that feeling.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, as I know, it's just real. It's why
Speaker 1: I started, you know, my nonprofits, why I started the podcast,
Speaker 1: It's why I started going undercover because it was so overwhelming.
Speaker 1: To be honest, I just couldn't sleep. I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know how to do this. Once you know,
Speaker 1: you can't unknow I can't pretend that I don't know
Speaker 1: anymore that these things are happening, or once I've seen stuff,
Speaker 1: I can't pretend I haven't seen it. So I couldn't sleep.
Speaker 1: And so the only way that I could come to
Speaker 1: terms with it was like, Okay, I have to find
Speaker 1: something that I can do about this. What is needed?
Speaker 1: Where can I help the most? And by diving in
Speaker 1: and learning as much as I could, and then with
Speaker 1: the audience that was kind of built in from Riverdale,
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, let me talk about this. Let me.
Speaker 1: Let me speak directly to teenagers and directly to moms
Speaker 1: and dads and be like, hey, guys, this is what's happening.
Speaker 1: This is what you can do to protect your kid
Speaker 1: or hey, teen that person that you're talking to the
Speaker 1: guess what that could not be. That's not them, that's
Speaker 1: not them. Especially with AI.
Speaker 3: Remind me how old your daughter is.
Speaker 1: Well, now she's sixteen, but I started this when she
Speaker 1: was six.
Speaker 2: Did you let her have what was your journey with
Speaker 2: letting her be on social media? Did you let her
Speaker 2: have it? Did you or did you ever see it? Like?
Speaker 3: What is? What has that journey? And now that she's sixteen.
Speaker 1: So she still doesn't have an Instagram account and not
Speaker 1: because she she's just like no, she's like no, But
Speaker 1: it was it was a bit I had to gently
Speaker 1: explain because I don't want to scare my kid, and
Speaker 1: how do you explain this? So I would sort of go, look,
Speaker 1: I go the internet. I would draw a picture and
Speaker 1: I go, you can contact like all of these people.
Speaker 1: And I did like a thousand dots, right, all of
Speaker 1: these people and any of them can talk to you.
Speaker 1: And then I used like a red pen and I
Speaker 1: was like that this many people are bad guys and
Speaker 1: they look like the good guy and you can't tell
Speaker 1: and so you have to be very, very careful. And
Speaker 1: then I'm going to tell you what to look for
Speaker 1: bad guys. But I want to know how old you are.
Speaker 1: The bad guys are going to tell you you're pretty, You're one.
Speaker 1: They're gonna be so nice and so interested. They're going
Speaker 1: to ask you where do you live? Where do you
Speaker 1: go to school? They're going to ask personal questions. So
Speaker 1: at first my daughter would go, oh, I just say
Speaker 1: Venus or I say Canada, or I say this, And
Speaker 1: then now I'm like, let's just not we don't even
Speaker 1: talk to those guys. And I explained to her, I go, look,
Speaker 1: you're going to run into this. It's not everybody out there.
Speaker 1: And I go and I lecture at high schools, and
Speaker 1: I lecture at where kids are to explain like, it's
Speaker 1: gonna it's there no matter what, but if you know
Speaker 1: what to look for and you know what not to
Speaker 1: give away, and that these guys can pretend to be anyone.
Speaker 1: And I show people how easy it is to make
Speaker 1: a fake profile and put a fake kid's face, and
Speaker 1: now you're that kid, and you're talking like that kid,
Speaker 1: because that's what I do in the stints. I pretend
Speaker 1: to be kid. It's it's just kind of like, do
Speaker 1: you see the difference, And so she's very I had
Speaker 1: to educate her because there was no way to avoid it.
Speaker 1: There's literally no way. You're never gonna unless you never
Speaker 1: let your kid online, which is I just don't. I
Speaker 1: don't think that's real. So I had to educate her.
Speaker 1: And then as she got older, I told her more
Speaker 1: and more and more, you know, but not not. It's
Speaker 1: a fine line because you don't want to freak out
Speaker 1: your kid.
Speaker 2: Hmm yeah, and you also want like, you know, Catherine
Speaker 2: has older children, and you know, she's like, my kids
Speaker 2: talk through Snapchat, like that's the new generation, Like that's
Speaker 2: not something. So I'm going to be obviously leaning on
Speaker 2: her when you know, my kids get older. But you
Speaker 2: knew she's got high schooler and middle schooler. So it's
Speaker 2: like that world has got to be so tricky to
Speaker 2: navigate well.
Speaker 4: And I think that every parent parents differently when it
Speaker 4: comes to that. I know, for me personally, we have
Speaker 4: those toscussions a lot. I have all their passwords, I
Speaker 4: go through their dms to make sure they're not talking
Speaker 4: to anybody they shouldn't. Snapchat is a new one for us.
Speaker 4: I was very anti snapchat until lately, but they do
Speaker 4: all communicate via Snapchat, which has been you know. But
Speaker 4: I just think everyone navigates that differently, and I agree
Speaker 4: with you that you cannot avoid it and it's a
Speaker 4: conversation that has to be had, so just everybody has
Speaker 4: to navigate that differently.
Speaker 1: One of the things that I also did because My
Speaker 1: daughter would do this thing when we were out in public,
Speaker 1: like let's say we were at like an outdoor mall
Speaker 1: or something, and she would love to run ahead, and
Speaker 1: I was like absolute, or she would love to like
Speaker 1: I want to be friends with this, I want to
Speaker 1: go here, that kind of thing. So I very gently
Speaker 1: because what I was saying didn't get through. I had
Speaker 1: to explain to her. I go, look, there's like I said,
Speaker 1: there's very few bad guys, but they like, they go
Speaker 1: after kids, and then these kids are missing, and we
Speaker 1: don't want that to happen, and it wasn't real to her.
Speaker 1: It was like, no, don't know. So finally I was like, okay, fine.
Speaker 1: As she got older, I was like, let me explain
Speaker 1: this to you, and I went on, there's the National
Speaker 1: Center for Missing and Exploited Children, right, they're the milk
Speaker 1: carton guys. So and I would go look, let's look
Speaker 1: at and I would show all the missing kids posters
Speaker 1: and then it was real. And then she was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: my mom's not making this up. My mom's not being
Speaker 1: you know, exaggerating or anything like that. And she finally
Speaker 1: got it, and now she educates other kids of what
Speaker 1: to look for and actually got one of her friends
Speaker 1: off of a chat with the predator.
Speaker 2: When did this become the because again my naiveness goes, well,
Speaker 2: the drug industry, that was what the big industry was.
Speaker 2: When did it switch to children?
Speaker 1: It's a great again, a great question. It's been gradual.
Speaker 1: But as the internet sort of as the internet and
Speaker 1: other things became more available to everyone, this the child
Speaker 1: thing kind of grew. And then not to do a
Speaker 1: whole comment on society, but we kind of sexualized children.
Speaker 1: We kind of do. It's like you know, the hot er,
Speaker 1: all this in music and you see you see it, right,
Speaker 1: So along around two thousand, two thousand and four, two
Speaker 1: thousand and five, this whole thing started to started to
Speaker 1: take off. Because you didn't hear about this in the
Speaker 1: nineties eighties.
Speaker 3: Well that's it.
Speaker 2: And I was also curious statistically what the stats are
Speaker 2: between missing kids in the nineties versus missing kids today,
Speaker 2: Like what that's what that stat looks like, because that'd
Speaker 2: be an interesting stat It's huge.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the numbers between just people in modern
Speaker 1: day slavery overall have doubled in the last decade, like doubled.
Speaker 1: I remember when it was it was I think it
Speaker 1: was twelve or thirteen million worldwide, I think back in
Speaker 1: two thousand and one, and now it is thirty the
Speaker 1: latest numbers of thirty seven million people worldwide? Why and
Speaker 1: the sex trade? I believe the number is six point
Speaker 1: six million women and children?
Speaker 2: Do you know the number of girls or women being
Speaker 2: Is it primarily? I just want to say, is that
Speaker 2: is that statistically right that it's mostly just women? Or
Speaker 2: is there also a percentage of the boys And.
Speaker 1: There's a small percentage of boys for sure, it's not
Speaker 1: just exclusively, but the majority is women and children, but
Speaker 1: it is do people as well?
Speaker 3: So what is the percentage of.
Speaker 2: The kids being trafficked overseas being brought here? And then
Speaker 2: is are the American kids that are being trafficked? Are
Speaker 2: they going overseas too? Like? What is the like when
Speaker 2: you've seen in your what you've been doing? Like what
Speaker 2: what does that even look like? Because again, this is
Speaker 2: the only reference that I have that's been out there,
Speaker 2: you know, which got pretty much torn to shreds with
Speaker 2: sound of freedom with what they shared. And I don't know,
Speaker 2: I've I've heard kind of like people having difference of opinions,
Speaker 2: but that was the first thing where I was like,
Speaker 2: oh wow, I'm like, is there a truth in all this?
Speaker 1: And yeah, it was very interesting to watch who was
Speaker 1: doing the tearing. That was interesting to me. I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: you really have a you're going after this like very
Speaker 1: Why is what I was exactly why does this bother
Speaker 1: you so much?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Period? Yeah, like period. It's this has been an issue
Speaker 1: for it, Like the United Nations has been doing this forever.
Speaker 1: It was Barack Obama when he was president, the coin
Speaker 1: the term modern day slavery. This has been going on.
Speaker 1: It's not a it's not a Republican issue, it's not
Speaker 1: a democratic issue. It's the one issue that both sides
Speaker 1: actually agree on. Period. It's kids, right. It has nothing
Speaker 1: to do with the political climate today, even though it's
Speaker 1: being sort of turned into that. Right. But to answer
Speaker 1: your question about a decade ago, it was the United
Speaker 1: States was not on the list of countries that people
Speaker 1: traveled to for sex with kids. It's called sex tourism, right,
Speaker 1: And there's a whole list of countries. I know.
Speaker 3: Sorry, so let's just say I'm just say it.
Speaker 1: Used to be countries that you always heard like Thailand,
Speaker 1: you knew about Highland the Philippines, Mexico, Dominican Republic, places
Speaker 1: like that. The United States is now not only on
Speaker 1: that list, but high on that list. So a decade ago,
Speaker 1: if you were a kid taken, essentially you would be
Speaker 1: shipped off to one of those countries because it was easier.
Speaker 1: Now that there's not really a need to bring in
Speaker 1: supply for lack of a better word, from other countries
Speaker 1: into America because you've got the supply and the demand
Speaker 1: right here period. You've got it and the majority of
Speaker 1: kids and you don't And anyone who's listening to this, like,
Speaker 1: just look this up. Please, don't just base it on
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Do your own research. You can look
Speaker 1: it up. But in America it's foster care children or
Speaker 1: the number one foster care children and runaways are number one, period.
Speaker 1: And they're picked up by a trafficker, and their traffic
Speaker 1: through hotel rooms, hotel rooms and businesses pretending to be businesses,
Speaker 1: and they're traveled all along the corridors want to be mentioned.
Speaker 2: And they're drugged, threatened, yes, fully, all of yeah.
Speaker 1: Fully, And I hate to say it, but I'm like,
Speaker 1: because it's such a horrific and unconscionable thing to imagine.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, thank god they're drugged,
Speaker 1: because I can't imagine going through something like that as
Speaker 1: a kid without something to numb you, something to shield you,
Speaker 1: because it's it's un it's unthinkable. Now. At the same time,
Speaker 1: the good news is that there's a lot, a lot,
Speaker 1: a lot of organizations doing things about this and rescuing
Speaker 1: children or rehabilitating women and children. And there isn't one
Speaker 1: sort of state government that I've seen that's not doing
Speaker 1: something about this, that isn't like, Okay, great, we have organizations,
Speaker 1: we have money set aside, we have laws being put
Speaker 1: in trying to tackle this. So that's the good upside
Speaker 1: of this is that once people do hear about it,
Speaker 1: they want to help.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean like, how can we help? Well, how
Speaker 2: can we go on? I'm like, I want to go
Speaker 2: into stings. How do we how do I help find these?
Speaker 2: Like what can we do? And on that side of things.
Speaker 1: Like exactly, I mean educating people about it. You have
Speaker 1: a giant audience. It's that's number one, right because if
Speaker 1: people don't know about it, people can't do anything about it.
Speaker 1: And I always say, the good people the moms, the
Speaker 1: people that are not criminals, the people that don't think
Speaker 1: like this, don't know about these things, but they're the
Speaker 1: exact people that need to know about it because nothing
Speaker 1: will happen about it. Nothing will happen, nothing will be
Speaker 1: done about it unless good people know about it. So
Speaker 1: that's number one is education and awareness. The sound of freedom.
Speaker 1: There's another movie that I'm an ambassador of called City
Speaker 1: of Dreams. Yeah, that really focuses on just Los Angeles
Speaker 1: and just the people that are labor trafficked in Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: which is a case of bringing in cheap labor from
Speaker 1: other countries, which also fully happens. It fully happens. So
Speaker 1: that's another movie that's out there that's being, you know,
Speaker 1: a good educational tool. Secondly, you don't have to reinvent
Speaker 1: the wheel. There are already organizations doing things about this, right,
Speaker 1: so obviously I have one. I'm always like, please donate.
Speaker 1: We have a whole mail campaign. We have a whole
Speaker 1: educational campaign that will put together for junior high kids,
Speaker 1: high school and college. Because it keeps going right and
Speaker 1: then even your local area.
Speaker 2: What is that can you can you talk about that foundation?
Speaker 2: Just so that what we can all.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's called Slavery Free World. I Foundation for
Speaker 1: a Slavery Free World, and I named it that way
Speaker 1: because I wanted the I wanted the end product. I
Speaker 1: wanted this idea of modern day slavery and trafficking to
Speaker 1: be something that we read about in the history books
Speaker 1: that's just done right that we go I didn't even know,
Speaker 1: oh my god, and it's done, not something that we
Speaker 1: have to deal with on a daily basis. So my
Speaker 1: website is called Slavery Freeworld dot org and we do
Speaker 1: a lot. In addition to me going undercover when I
Speaker 1: can with different law enforcement, my main thing is trying
Speaker 1: to educate preventative because that's what I care about more
Speaker 1: than anything, is preventing any of this happening in the
Speaker 1: first place. So the podcast where I Reach My My,
Speaker 1: you know, a very good audience, which I'm very proud of,
Speaker 1: but also going face to face with kids. I can't
Speaker 1: be everywhere in every school at all times, but we're
Speaker 1: putting together something that we can put into schools that
Speaker 1: sort of like add a water and mix. Here's the
Speaker 1: data here. It is geared down to a junior high kid.
Speaker 1: This is what a junior high kid or an elementary's
Speaker 1: kid should look for. This is how to protect yourself
Speaker 1: without overwhelming and making every single person a bad guy,
Speaker 1: because you don't want that. And then okay, hi, high school, Okay, college,
Speaker 1: this is what you have to be aware of because
Speaker 1: and the Internet now is the new white van. You know,
Speaker 1: growing up, it was like, look for the white van. Sure,
Speaker 1: the white van, it exists, but it's the Internet now
Speaker 1: that's the right van.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's kind of where I want to transition
Speaker 2: to because obviously this conversation came about after I posted
Speaker 2: that video of my daughter. Yes, for those that didn't
Speaker 2: see it, I'd posted a photo video of us doing
Speaker 2: this cute little TikTok dance. My daughter that morning we
Speaker 2: were saying we were going to do yoga and then
Speaker 2: we were going to go grocery shopping and then get
Speaker 2: some Halloween decorations, and we were doing this. So she
Speaker 2: comes down, you know, in her little sportspra and little shorts,
Speaker 2: and I again thought nothing of it, because like she
Speaker 2: likes to be in the gym while I'm working out
Speaker 2: and just stretching, and we love dancing. And my almost
Speaker 2: one year old little boy is just loves to dance
Speaker 2: as well, and so I was like, oh, we should
Speaker 2: do this cute little TikTok dance and so I then
Speaker 2: post it. She was wearing her sports bra and her shorts.
Speaker 2: I again just thought nothing of it, and then I
Speaker 2: started to see comments, and you know, I when it
Speaker 2: came to the thing of the AI and like, I
Speaker 2: don't know anything. I don't know what AI can do.
Speaker 2: I because I didn't look at it, and I was like, wow,
Speaker 2: people are like sexualizing my daughter. I don't understand. And
Speaker 2: that was that kind of blew me away. But then
Speaker 2: they're like protector.
Speaker 3: I'm like what.
Speaker 2: At first, I was a little like this is more
Speaker 2: than a bathing suit. I don't understand, Like this was
Speaker 2: a sweet little video I did with my daughter, and
Speaker 2: I at first was a little defensive when I was
Speaker 2: talking about it to my husband, but then when I
Speaker 2: texted David, I was like, Hey, you know this world,
Speaker 2: and people are saying that they could take her cute
Speaker 2: little dancing, change her face or use her face and
Speaker 2: then like AI into a sexual video. If that is
Speaker 2: the case, please tell me and I will take it down.
Speaker 2: Like I trust your opinion, because you know this world.
Speaker 2: I just didn't and I didn't think that that could
Speaker 2: be a possibility. And he was like, I would advise
Speaker 2: to take it down. You should talk to Marisol, you know,
Speaker 2: and this is why. And I was like all right,
Speaker 2: and then I was like delete immediately. And then I
Speaker 2: just felt terrible because I'm like, well, I didn't I
Speaker 2: didn't know. And then I'm like, you know, going through
Speaker 2: all the things in my brain, and then I'm like, gosh,
Speaker 2: I posted a video of her in her swimsuit at
Speaker 2: the pool, and then I'm like, this is so sad
Speaker 2: that we even have to think about this. I'm like,
Speaker 2: why can't I just show a beautiful backyard? And then like,
Speaker 2: I know, you posted things, you know, with your daughter
Speaker 2: in a bathing suit, and I'm like what, It's just
Speaker 2: like I'm not saying that to you either, but I'm
Speaker 2: just like it's just so sad that I'm like, we
Speaker 2: can't just post photos of our family without being like, oh,
Speaker 2: the Internet's going to take this and have a heyday
Speaker 2: with it. But also I don't know the risks, so
Speaker 2: what are they?
Speaker 1: So I mean, AI is a whole other tool that
Speaker 1: is like a snowball rolling downhill that's growing and growing
Speaker 1: and growing uncontrolled right now, period and law like, legally
Speaker 1: and politically, everyone's again trying to play catch up with
Speaker 1: this thing because this is something brand new that we've
Speaker 1: never had to deal with. But yes, to answer your question, yes,
Speaker 1: they can take an image of anybody. They're called deep fakes.
Speaker 1: You may have heard of deep fakes, right, And they
Speaker 1: do it with celebrities, but they can do it with anybody.
Speaker 1: And they'll put your face on a naked body and
Speaker 1: put it together and you will never, ever, ever, ever know.
Speaker 1: It's very scary and bad actors are always going to
Speaker 1: take technology and twist it and use it for criminal
Speaker 1: and nefarious means. Now there's I work a lot with Meta,
Speaker 1: right I've actually they're doing some really good things right now.
Speaker 1: And one of the things that they are doing is
Speaker 1: they made it so that all child accounts immediately on
Speaker 1: Instagram and Facebook are immediately private no matter what by default,
Speaker 1: which means that strangers cannot just DM them, strangers cannot
Speaker 1: just follow them. You have to approve access and improve
Speaker 1: access for these guys to have access to your kids.
Speaker 1: So if your kid is posting something, it's controlled as
Speaker 1: opposed to just out there in the world. But again
Speaker 1: you should know and as parents, what these guys are
Speaker 1: looking for is they're looking for vulnerable children. They're looking
Speaker 1: for kids that are like that are insecure, they come
Speaker 1: from a troubled home, that are easy targets, right, kids
Speaker 1: that are posting things like, you know, f my parents,
Speaker 1: so I hate my mother, or oh my god, they
Speaker 1: grounded me again? And sexually sexual kids. You know, we
Speaker 1: all know kids like this. Those are the kids that
Speaker 1: they're looking for. They're looking for vulnerable kids. So even
Speaker 1: in life, I always use this example to my daughter.
Speaker 1: There's let's say five girls walking down the street and
Speaker 1: one guy who's a bad guy. I say, hey, you
Speaker 1: guys are so pretty. If four of the girls are
Speaker 1: you know, hey f you? Or get away from me
Speaker 1: or where it all great? The one kid that's thank you,
Speaker 1: that's their target. They're looking for vulnerable, easy kids. So
Speaker 1: again this is speaking from the education point of view
Speaker 1: and how to talk to your own kids and what
Speaker 1: you're posting. But Janna, in the case of you, I
Speaker 1: agree with you. It's heartbreaking that you can't just post
Speaker 1: a picture of your kid Like I went back and
Speaker 1: I deleted most of my pictures and rain my daughter.
Speaker 1: I don't post anything of her now as her age
Speaker 1: because I also know I'm a target. So I'll post
Speaker 1: something of her being younger. Here she was, I'm so
Speaker 1: happy of you. You're sixteen years old. Here's a baby
Speaker 1: pic kind of thing. Because we have to think with
Speaker 1: we have to think like these guys think, think how
Speaker 1: bad guys think, and how they could twist something. And
Speaker 1: then it's up to each individual if you want to
Speaker 1: you know what you want to put out there and
Speaker 1: what you don't.
Speaker 4: Sure.
Speaker 1: I know some parents that are like, sure, fine, I
Speaker 1: don't care, You're going to do it anyway. I'm proud
Speaker 1: of my kids and I'm going to celebrate this moment.
Speaker 3: Well that's where I'm and I'll let you.
Speaker 2: I know you. I know you've got something that you
Speaker 2: want to say too. But like there was a for me.
Speaker 2: It's like I don't want to not not share my
Speaker 2: family because that is a part of I love sharing.
Speaker 2: But I also know that now I can be a
Speaker 2: little bit more aware of what I share right to protect.
Speaker 4: But sure, Well I had a question about the meta stuff.
Speaker 4: So they're going to now make kids automatically private, yes,
Speaker 4: which just so we're clear, my kids cannot have social
Speaker 4: media that is public. It has always been private. Yes,
Speaker 4: that is rule number one.
Speaker 3: But I hope you know there's no shame either way.
Speaker 4: Like I mean, I've gotten it from some people on
Speaker 4: here because I've open about that my kids do have
Speaker 4: social media. People like or don't like that I control it.
Speaker 4: You know they have. They all have opinions, which is
Speaker 4: everyone has an opinion. That's fine, but just so everyone
Speaker 4: knows they are private. It is interesting to me to
Speaker 4: hear that. I love that. But can they change it
Speaker 4: to public?
Speaker 1: Okay, So there's two things coming out, So that's a
Speaker 1: great question. So by default, every kid's account is now private.
Speaker 1: They rolled that out. I'm working with them on legislation that.
Speaker 1: In fact, they just spoke about it in the South
Speaker 1: Dakota Congress. They're going to state to state the state
Speaker 1: and them federally. But what they what met US is
Speaker 1: behind right now is making it controllable. Also at the
Speaker 1: app store, So what does that mean? So that means
Speaker 1: that when you buy a phone for your kid and
Speaker 1: you download the software to start that phone from the
Speaker 1: app store, you as a parent, right there go, this
Speaker 1: is a phone for a twelve year old kid.
Speaker 3: Oh that's cool.
Speaker 1: I know. So that automatically everything that is on that
Speaker 1: phone is known that it's for a kid, So any
Speaker 1: every single app, every single thing, every single setting, because
Speaker 1: who parents know how to do that right and know
Speaker 1: how to go into every single app and set the
Speaker 1: safety settings and set the privacy settings. It's impossible, and
Speaker 1: they're constantly changing. So it's by default that everything would
Speaker 1: all automatically be registered as a kid. And then anytime
Speaker 1: your kid tries to change anything, download something, you as
Speaker 1: a parent get a notification and you can approve or
Speaker 1: not approve. And it's something that I really really believe
Speaker 1: in because I think it's twofold, do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? It's if we can stop it at the source,
Speaker 1: so that the phone, the advice itself is registered as
Speaker 1: a kid. That is something that I think is going
Speaker 1: to be very beneficial, especially as a parent and how
Speaker 1: everything's changing and there's new apps and Snapchat and discord
Speaker 1: and all of these different things. Can we just have
Speaker 1: one sort of stable thing that everyone just knows and
Speaker 1: does and it's automatic and I don't have to think
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 2: I'm such a This is where I go cynical, though,
Speaker 2: is I'm like, it's controlled by someone probably in the
Speaker 2: government that will change it or that can do loopholes
Speaker 2: around it. I don't know where I just get or
Speaker 2: corruption twins yeah where. I'm just like it's corrupt and
Speaker 2: they'll find a way to make more money.
Speaker 3: Like it may.
Speaker 5: It gave me a deep breath that you said you're
Speaker 5: working with Meta. I was like, okay, okay, I mean
Speaker 5: I think I might have taken one breath since you've
Speaker 5: started talking, because I'm just like.
Speaker 2: Spyraling I do a life check on your I'm just
Speaker 2: this is like.
Speaker 3: My worst nightmare. Like it makes me emotional.
Speaker 1: I don't yeah, it's scary, mind too.
Speaker 3: It's wild.
Speaker 5: That's so I have first once I can emotionally get
Speaker 5: myself together. It's just it's such a big, crazy world
Speaker 5: and it makes me so anxious as a mom. I mean,
Speaker 5: I've got beautiful babies. We all want to share our
Speaker 5: kids are listen and not to like be funny, but
Speaker 5: like literally it's how I don't have to answer the
Speaker 5: phone for a lot of people, you know, because like
Speaker 5: they checked in on Facebook and we can keep rolling,
Speaker 5: Like I don't have to send pictures out to the
Speaker 5: group or all the things, but it's so wildly overwhelming
Speaker 5: because it's like I don't take my kids to target,
Speaker 5: I don't take my kids to the mall.
Speaker 3: I don't want to be that mom, but I am
Speaker 3: that mom.
Speaker 5: Like it's like the I have to kind of almost
Speaker 5: learn at a real slow pace because I digest it
Speaker 5: so much into my DNA that I feel like I
Speaker 5: can't sleep. So one, I want to just commend you
Speaker 5: for the way that you're built, because I don't. I mean,
Speaker 5: it's just heroic to me what you're up to. But two,
Speaker 5: this is more of like a personal question how do
Speaker 5: you know what you know?
Speaker 3: Like how do you.
Speaker 5: Come home from being like in a sting operation and
Speaker 5: then just like wash your face and go to sleep
Speaker 5: Because I don't, So I don't know how you're processing this,
Speaker 5: Like you're still just a human and a mom. You
Speaker 5: know this is really big, heavy, important work that you're doing.
Speaker 2: It.
Speaker 1: I'm it's overwhelming. I don't come home and wash my
Speaker 1: face and just go to bed. I come home and
Speaker 1: it takes me like a week to decompress to start
Speaker 1: seeing people as normal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I hate everyone right now. For you. You know,
Speaker 3: it's a lot.
Speaker 1: It messes me up. It takes a toll, and so
Speaker 1: I dive in and I dive out because otherwise I
Speaker 1: can't function, And so I have to constantly remind myself
Speaker 1: and look around and go, Okay, it's not everybody, it's
Speaker 1: not every man. It's not like go I go if
Speaker 1: I go to like, let's say when my child was younger,
Speaker 1: and I would go to a park, and I'd be like,
Speaker 1: I'd look at all the kids and I'd go, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: all of these kids are perfectly fine. None of these
Speaker 1: kids are being taken. Okay, I'll go to a high school. Okay,
Speaker 1: all of these kids are doing well. The majority of
Speaker 1: these kids are never nothing bad is ever going to
Speaker 1: happen to them, And I constantly have to look at
Speaker 1: and have to like train myself to really look and
Speaker 1: observe from myself. Okay, the majority of people, I think
Speaker 1: eighty percent of people are still very good and care
Speaker 1: very much about this issue, and including men. And then
Speaker 1: there's just the twenty percent that are the bad actors
Speaker 1: that you have to protect yourself against. But otherwise I
Speaker 1: could never live my life, my kid could never live
Speaker 1: their lives. And it's a it's a it's a balance,
Speaker 1: but it still is the majority. It's still good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I needed that sentence from you selfishly, just because
Speaker 5: I default to everyone's a creep. I mean, they would
Speaker 5: probably tell you I'm the psychopath here, like I'm a
Speaker 5: psych I mean we homeschool, we do, and not to
Speaker 5: keep them in a bubble all the way, all the way,
Speaker 5: but a lot of that reasoning is for me just
Speaker 5: what they're exposed to. I feel like kids, even and
Speaker 5: all things, are exposed way too fast, way too soon.
Speaker 3: They don't get a chance to be kids anymore.
Speaker 2: Like and we've just I think some passionate environment though,
Speaker 2: like you know what I mean, Like in cat situation,
Speaker 2: their kids, you know, kids got social media earlier because
Speaker 2: her kids were hanging on older people, you know, like
Speaker 2: with the sports and stuff like that. So it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, it's navigate it.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Like, well, yeah, and I think it's a lot of
Speaker 4: its conversation but also kind of going back to what
Speaker 4: y'all were saying and not being able to sleep, I
Speaker 4: think that touches on a lot of not that people
Speaker 4: don't know that this is going on. I have a
Speaker 4: lot of moms that I've tried to talk to about this.
Speaker 4: The problem is it is so overwhelming they put their
Speaker 4: heads in the sand. I'm just going to be frank.
Speaker 4: It is actually very frustrating for me because I'm like,
Speaker 4: you have to be aware of this, especially if they're
Speaker 4: on social media, especially if they're online. And I get
Speaker 4: that it's overwhelming. And I've had people tell me that
Speaker 4: they're like, if I go down that rabbit hole, my
Speaker 4: anxiety will be so high. And I understand that, and
Speaker 4: I think it's figuring out how to go in and
Speaker 4: go out and to be able to educate yourself. You've
Speaker 4: done it, but not control your life. And it's not easy.
Speaker 4: I mean, I understand that. Again, I've had lots of
Speaker 4: conversations with moms who feel that way, but then they
Speaker 4: just go, I can't, I can't handle it.
Speaker 5: We're really close with the family that's like that, and
Speaker 5: I can't. I can't know. And kids are on roadblocks
Speaker 5: and all the things, and I've I know, same face,
Speaker 5: and I've had to have you know, the kids wear
Speaker 5: less clothes and I've had to say to my daughter,
Speaker 5: understand that you would love to wear that crop top,
Speaker 5: and I said, there's I'm just I have to. She's eight,
Speaker 5: so you know, they're still young, and I'm going, I'm
Speaker 5: not going to go in the deep deep dive, but
Speaker 5: I've had to say that. I was like, there is
Speaker 5: something something called perception, and I need to help you
Speaker 5: understand what perception could be if you're wearing something like
Speaker 5: this or something like that. Like, but it is just
Speaker 5: crazy that they're eight and we're having to talk about this.
Speaker 2: The reason my daughter thought I was okay to wear
Speaker 2: sports Burrow around the house was because I wear sports
Speaker 2: Borrow on the house. So like call myself out, like
Speaker 2: I'm not. That's an example that I'm not really putting
Speaker 2: my best foot forward with that. Now, would I ever
Speaker 2: let her go out in public wearing a sports prop.
Speaker 3: No, I didn't.
Speaker 2: Obviously made her put her shirt off, but then I
Speaker 2: posted it to too milliy people like.
Speaker 5: I was like, I don't think anybody is nailing it,
Speaker 5: by the way, and I don't think none of us
Speaker 5: are not nailing it, and I think we're all the
Speaker 5: reason to me for women that like really have their
Speaker 5: like pulse on it, I think it's just so overwhelming.
Speaker 3: It's like where do we start?
Speaker 4: Well, And I was going to say, I mean, and
Speaker 4: this is hard for me because my daughters a cheerleader
Speaker 4: who basically lives in a sports bra. R you know,
Speaker 4: so I want to like throw that in there. I mean,
Speaker 4: there are definitely things that are I just posted my
Speaker 4: daughter doing a tumbling pass last night in a sports bra.
Speaker 4: She is in it ninety nine percent of the time.
Speaker 4: So I am aware of the AI part of this.
Speaker 4: I am this close to taking my Instagram but I'm nobody.
Speaker 4: I am this close to taking it back to the
Speaker 4: people I know and making it private because I couldn't
Speaker 4: care less about a following, you know, I am. I
Speaker 4: think that that's where my path is going because I
Speaker 4: do want to share that. I want to share that
Speaker 4: she got a new skill last night. I want to
Speaker 4: you know whatever. So I think that things will be
Speaker 4: changing in our household anyway in that sense. But having
Speaker 4: said that, I hate to hear you say that that
Speaker 4: was a bad mom move on you because you wear
Speaker 4: a sports bra to work out. That's not the way
Speaker 4: to approach this, in my opinion, I don't think that.
Speaker 3: But I d saying that for her, for her to
Speaker 3: come down in a sports.
Speaker 4: Bra, I don't. I don't what is wrong with the
Speaker 4: sports bra. Understand showing it to the world, but what
Speaker 4: is wrong with her wearing a sports bra.
Speaker 5: That's where I'm also like the over sexualization of all
Speaker 5: of us, Like we're women, we are I If I
Speaker 5: have an AB, I'm wearing a sports bra so that
Speaker 5: you can see it because I'm going to be so proud.
Speaker 4: And I'm never don't right.
Speaker 1: As a mom after you have kids, if you and
Speaker 1: you have abs, I'm sorry. I'm like, absolutely, I'm not
Speaker 1: twenty thank you.
Speaker 3: You are naked all the time.
Speaker 1: But we're adults. It's a thing we're not putting. I'm assuming.
Speaker 1: Like to me, it's about the intention behind the photo.
Speaker 1: Like two people could could post the same outfit and
Speaker 1: they could be similar age, and one could be like
Speaker 1: posting the outfit because it's like this is only book
Speaker 1: when I have sex, and the other one could be
Speaker 1: posting the same outfit. That's like, look at me proud.
Speaker 1: It's the intention, I think, and the flow and what
Speaker 1: you're trying to communicate, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you look at these teens, like you're saying,
Speaker 4: the ones that are more vulnerable, the ones, there is
Speaker 4: a difference, I'm sorry, than my daughter's account and the
Speaker 4: daughter who's doing this. It's just doesn't necessarily make it
Speaker 4: right or wrong. But there's a difference.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like, you're literally wanting, you're asking for older
Speaker 2: men to comment on your page, and like it's like
Speaker 2: it's painful. As someone close to this person, I'm like, like,
Speaker 2: you know, young, and it's just you know, it's trying
Speaker 2: to help teach, but just had a tough upbringing and
Speaker 2: you know, so it's been it's been hard.
Speaker 1: I think that I understand. I have friends that don't
Speaker 1: want to hear about it. I have friends that are like,
Speaker 1: I don't know how you do it. I don't want
Speaker 1: to know. I don't to know. And then literally that
Speaker 1: same friend something happened with her young son who she
Speaker 1: thought would never ever, ever, ever happen, and he was
Speaker 1: talking to what he thought was another fifteen year old
Speaker 1: girl on Instagram on DM and sure enough, this girl
Speaker 1: had sent an uber to him at midnight convinced him
Speaker 1: to sneak out of his house and she caught him,
Speaker 1: thank god, caught him and called me immediately, and I
Speaker 1: put her in touch with different law enforcement in that
Speaker 1: town and whereas and where the boy was headed, who
Speaker 1: didn't even know where he was going these things. I
Speaker 1: think when you know what to look for, when you've
Speaker 1: gotten passed and through the horror of it and you're like, okay,
Speaker 1: what can I do about it, it becomes less overwhelming
Speaker 1: because it's specific. It's not everyone, it's not every communication,
Speaker 1: it's not every single thing, and you know nothing about
Speaker 1: it and it's all overwhelming. It's very specific. You look
Speaker 1: for this, this, this, this. You know what to look for,
Speaker 1: and so will your kids. And those conversations and that
Speaker 1: education I think is empowered. Not you do have to
Speaker 1: get through the confront of it, but on the other side,
Speaker 1: it's a lot easier to control once you know what
Speaker 1: to look for and you know how to protect yourself
Speaker 1: and you know how to protect your friends.
Speaker 2: What are the ages that it's again statistically, I know
Speaker 2: it's a bunch, but what does the age range?
Speaker 1: It depends on specifically for what thing. So it's as
Speaker 1: young as an eight year old chatting right and somebody
Speaker 1: pretending to be another kid and show me or like,
Speaker 1: it depends on what they're going for. If they're going
Speaker 1: for I need a video or picture of a young
Speaker 1: girl showing me her body. That can range from anywhere
Speaker 1: from eight years old up. If they're going for convincing
Speaker 1: a kid to sneak out to go do something nefarious
Speaker 1: with them, right, that happens. That happens. I have a
Speaker 1: whole episode on my podcast with the sheriff out of Michigan.
Speaker 1: The guy who's traveling straight state doing this. That's your
Speaker 1: twelve year old, your thirteen year old, your fourteen year old.
Speaker 1: And then it also depends on if it's a boy. Right,
Speaker 1: So mom's out there that have boys, think, Okay, I
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about that. Well, with boys, what
Speaker 1: they're doing, it's a fifteen year old, sixteen year old,
Speaker 1: seventeen year old boy who's you know, they're going through
Speaker 1: hormonal changes. Let's just say it is what it is,
Speaker 1: and they're they're looking for stuff, right, and so with that,
Speaker 1: that'll be your your AI. That'll be your man pretending
Speaker 1: to be a girl contacting the sun and sending what's
Speaker 1: supposed to be a naked video or naked picture, convincing
Speaker 1: the boy to do the same thing. And then they've
Speaker 1: got them, and then it's it so. And then if
Speaker 1: it's plain old trafficking and your own thing, that's a
Speaker 1: little bit older fourteen on up if that makes sense
Speaker 1: at least in America. Right, this is what we're looking
Speaker 1: at in America.
Speaker 3: That's good to know.
Speaker 2: I have a question, and again this might be a
Speaker 2: political question. You can also pass with it because obviously
Speaker 2: you're an extremely successful actress. You were on obviously Riverdale.
Speaker 2: Have you seen pushback from the industry because of what
Speaker 2: you're doing?
Speaker 3: Would you like to pass? You can also pass.
Speaker 1: I just know it's okay.
Speaker 2: It's interesting to me because I just feel like when
Speaker 2: someone even scripts that people are wanting to make scripted,
Speaker 2: there there's pushback on it in this world.
Speaker 1: Yes, So you know, I have a movie that we're doing.
Speaker 1: It started out as a TV show based on my
Speaker 1: life and as an undercover operative and an actress and
Speaker 1: a mom. And I will tell you that when we pitched,
Speaker 1: and we pitched everybody in town. We pitched, you know,
Speaker 1: Natsille Likes and m and Apple and everyone Fox, everyone,
Speaker 1: And in the rooms people would be crying, like literally,
Speaker 1: and every individual that I would meet would be like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, we have to this is incredible. Almost
Speaker 1: every I can always tell the one that's like uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to hear, and I'm like, oh, I
Speaker 1: see where you're up to. Got it? You can tell,
Speaker 1: you can always tell. Unfortunately, every single solitary entity though
Speaker 1: passed this is too dark, we don't want to And
Speaker 1: this is right before Sound of Freedom, which is what
Speaker 1: I liked about Sound of Freedom was that it proved
Speaker 1: that people wanted to know about this, that that this is.
Speaker 1: People do need to know. This can't be something that's
Speaker 1: just in the dark.
Speaker 2: But yet so many people wrote that it's all just
Speaker 2: a bunch of bullshit and that it wasn't That's not true.
Speaker 1: Look at who was writing that, right, Look, I mean.
Speaker 4: I yeah, why did it become a political thing? I
Speaker 4: can write? I can never understand that.
Speaker 3: I'm like, how are why are we? Yeah?
Speaker 2: But anyways, but yes too so so that was passed upon.
Speaker 1: That was all passed upon. It Now we're doing it,
Speaker 1: I think, for lifetime and doing it as a movie,
Speaker 1: which makes me very very happy because there are now
Speaker 1: and because of Sound of Freedom, of these other movies
Speaker 1: and individuals in these positions will make these decisions. They
Speaker 1: do want to tell this, they do want people to know,
Speaker 1: they do want to talk about it. So it's very interesting.
Speaker 1: Janet your question because Hollywood as an entity, yes, there's
Speaker 1: pushback individuals within there, there isn't and there's no I
Speaker 1: want to know, please tell us what can we do
Speaker 1: about this? And so it always gives me hope because
Speaker 1: when I meet people individually, they do care.
Speaker 2: It's just the boss that's paying the bills that's going
Speaker 2: to end up saying.
Speaker 1: Whoever's behind that whole thing. There's definitely a h on
Speaker 1: it as far as I run across, run across. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, Marisol, thank you for coming on. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, there's having me many questions. I you know,
Speaker 2: would want to ask about what I think. You know,
Speaker 2: listeners want hear about Riverdale, but honest, this is what
Speaker 2: I want to listen to. And so, you know, just
Speaker 2: thank you for coming on and spreading not only awareness
Speaker 2: but teaching and everything that you're doing. So can you
Speaker 2: please let our listeners once again know where they can
Speaker 2: find you your podcast and everything that you're doing.
Speaker 1: Very thank you, very much, and thank you for having me,
Speaker 1: and thank you for talking about the subjects. You can
Speaker 1: find my podcast Mari soul Nichols podcast. We made it
Speaker 1: as simple as possible so that it could be found
Speaker 1: as easily as possible. And then my nonprofit is called
Speaker 1: Slavery Free World and it's Slaveryfreeworld dot org. And we've
Speaker 1: got lots of information on there and on the website immediately.
Speaker 1: So you, okay, what can I do? What else should
Speaker 1: I look for? It's all It's there and we're updating
Speaker 1: it constantly.
Speaker 3: Yes, I love it.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you for coming on. We appreciate you, and
Speaker 2: let us know when we can join the next thing.
Speaker 3: Because yes, thank you, guys, dance take them down, thank you,
Speaker 3: thanks girl.
Speaker 1: Thanks.
Speaker 3: I can't be honest ing. I think we all know
Speaker 3: that we.
Speaker 4: Got on the website right now to see what I
Speaker 4: can do.
Speaker 3: I want to talk to children, you about it.
Speaker 4: You would probably be great, would be in the like
Speaker 4: the rehabilitate rehabilitation part of it, agreed, okay, because that
Speaker 4: would I mean that I wanted to kind of get
Speaker 4: into that too, But there's just so much to ask.
Speaker 3: I could talk to her.
Speaker 4: I literally did a part it is, but there's there's
Speaker 4: that side of it too.
Speaker 2: It's so true what you were saying about other people
Speaker 2: that you've talked to is just putting the hand head
Speaker 2: in the sand. Because this is was obviously a very
Speaker 2: tough conversation, and I think a lot of people get
Speaker 2: so uncomfortable with it that they just don't or it's
Speaker 2: just too mature. It's like these are our kids, I know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a wild world, and that it's just makes me
Speaker 2: sick that it's the number one yeah money maker, Like
Speaker 2: it's disgusting, and that's what people don't know.
Speaker 4: Like, I literally, I don't think people understand those numbers.
Speaker 2: No, I really, and I I do think a lot
Speaker 2: of those people probably will go into the conspiracy of
Speaker 2: those Oh it's just political.
Speaker 4: Oh, it's just I had someone I had this conversation
Speaker 4: with about when Sound of Freedom Freedom came out and
Speaker 4: they were very angry about the movie because that's not
Speaker 4: the only way it happens.
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, I know.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's always it's usually the uncle or the person. Yes,
Speaker 2: a lot of those cases are too Yet it's.
Speaker 4: Still shedding light and I'm not saying to be aware.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's people that we know.
Speaker 4: And like she said, she talked about how there's so
Speaker 4: many different ways. What are they looking for, what are
Speaker 4: they doing? There's so many aspects of this that to me,
Speaker 4: I can't fathom or understand why any light being shed
Speaker 4: on it can be a negative, right, And that's hard
Speaker 4: for me. And I understand that there might be other
Speaker 4: alternatives or ulterior motives, or there may be whatever, But
Speaker 4: to me, the positive outweighs the negative to awareness on it.
Speaker 4: And I understand there's so many different aspects of it,
Speaker 4: and yes, there's a lot of people that are close
Speaker 4: to people that do it, but there's also different ways
Speaker 4: and all the things we talked about.
Speaker 3: Yep, learn it all.
Speaker 4: Yep, right ladies, Well, yeah, thank a lot, maybe all right,
Speaker 4: good bye,