WEBVTT - Protecting Our Children with Marisol Nichols 0:00:01.960 --> 0:00:05.400 Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio podcast. 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:11.039 So this week's podcast, do you guys ever watch Riverdale? No? 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:11.480 I did not. 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:14.720 Did I watch? Did I maybe had? I don't know 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:17.240 how many seasons there were? Yeah, but I think I 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:20.320 watched like maybe three or four seasons. Yeah, I don't 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:22.400 remember how many there were, though I stopped at some point. 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:24.280 I think I auditioned for it, but I can't remember. 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:26.560 I feel like we've talked about this. I feel like 0:00:26.600 --> 0:00:29.320 you did, did I? It was really great? 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:29.920 Uh? 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:30.560 Riverdale? 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:31.520 Yeah? I liked it. 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:35.519 I yeah, I never I never watched it, but I 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:38.320 heard it was a great show. But we've got Marisol 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:42.879 Nichols coming on, and this is a conversations that started 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:44.880 in our dms. Did you ever end up seeing that 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:47.480 video I posted? Because I never really talked about it. 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:51.080 I saw your like explanation, but I didn't see the. 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:54.040 Actual video of actual video. It's cute, but we'll get 0:00:54.040 --> 0:01:01.440 into that. But uh, yeah, she works with a nonprofit 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:05.520 organization dedicated to combating human trafficking. So it's going to 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:08.560 be a tough conversation, but a conversation that we all 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:15.800 should obviously learn. And and and here and how it's just. 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:17.360 It's going to be it's going to be else. 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:20.319 Yeah, a little education, and also it's going to be tough, 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:23.120 but it's one that needs to be had. So let's 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:24.000 get Marisol on. 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:27.680 How are you guys good? 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:28.800 How are you good? 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:32.040 I'm good. I have my dog on my lap now 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:36.039 we're talking. He is refusing to go anywhere else but 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:36.560 on my. 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:39.120 Lap, so it doesn't need to go anywhere else. 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:43.479 Well, we're really excited to have you on and have 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:46.920 a very important conversation. And we were kind of just 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:50.680 talking before the show too, because I remember talking to 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:55.240 David because he was so passionate about, you know, all 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:56.800 of this, and and then he said that you guys 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:59.360 started this podcast and that was I mean, how how 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:00.440 many years was has it been? 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:00.560 Now? 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:01.520 Is a two? Three? 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:04.320 Well? Three? Or actually about three? 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:05.560 Yeah, okay three years? 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:09.800 And so you know, I and we were trying to 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:11.760 chat because I'm like, wait it did it start from 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:13.880 a role? Was it something you've just always been passionate about? 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:17.960 Or like, how did you get into the sex trafficking 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:19.359 fighting exactly? 0:02:19.360 --> 0:02:23.400 It's like the question, I've been doing this since twenty twelve, 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:27.160 twenty thirteen. I have my own nonprofit called Foundation for 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:32.000 Slavery fee World, and I dove in kind of pretty 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:35.560 much as soon as I started hearing about the horrific 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:37.840 things that were happening to children, and I was shocked 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:41.120 that it was in this country, like it was always 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:43.640 something that like that wasn't always, but it was. You 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:47.000 would hear whisperings about it back in twenty twelve, twenty thirteen, 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:50.799 and I would I would think, probably like everyone else did, oh, 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:53.800 that's such a horrible thing to happen to kids over there. 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:58.320 Over there was because there's no way this could be happening, 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:02.040 you know, here in America CA. And then I learned 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:04.320 it was here in America, and then I learned it 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:06.480 was in every single city, and then I learned the 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:10.160 extent of it. And it's grown, you know, exponentially since 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:14.280 I started back then. So I dove in and I 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:17.920 ended up. You know, I'm sure you've read that I've 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:22.760 gone undercover and done these stingops in both here in 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:25.920 America and different countries off and on for the last decade. 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:28.280 How many sting operations have you been on? 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:30.799 At least a dozen, if not more. 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:32.280 And have you caught them? 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:35.680 And have you caught the sex trafficker in each sting 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:36.720 operation that you've done. 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:42.120 I wish I could say, yes, some of them we 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:45.280 haven't been able to go back and take down yet, 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:48.360 and a lot of them, yes, like that's the payoff. 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:52.000 Like a lot of them is these women and children 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:55.880 being like wait and able to go home and putting 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:58.680 the bad guy behind bars. And it's not like I 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:01.600 can say, oh, hey, I did that one. But you know, 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:04.240 I've saved the newspaper clippings and stuff when they when 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:06.920 they do go down, because it's really nice. 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:09.080 You know, it's really sad. And maybe I'm just missing it. 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:11.160 But I just don't feel like I hear the stories 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:15.640 of sex traffickers getting caught. I feel like it should 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:18.120 be headline, headline news. Am I missing something or is 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:18.520 it just not? 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:22.080 I think if for me personally, because it is not 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:24.640 like you by any means but a passion of mine. 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:28.120 I do see those stories, but I am looking for that, 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:31.800 you know, So I am following things, looking at things 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:34.359 for those success stories. So I do see them, but 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:37.680 I don't think that if you otherwise are. 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:41.040 Hearing a mainstream media, I've not seen them. 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:45.400 When you've got like a diddy. Yes, that's me, sure, sure, yeah, 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:50.159 But when it's it's so prevalent, you would think you'd 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:53.279 be hearing about it. Oh And like she said, like, 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:57.800 once you do start hearing about this and educating yourself, 0:04:57.800 --> 0:05:01.160 you tend to see it everywhere. But before that, it's 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:02.440 just sort of I don't know what it is. I 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:04.960 don't know if it's a protective mechanism, but you just 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:07.960 kind of it's a hard thing to confront. 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:10.680 Yeah, well, I think what's interesting too. And something that 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:13.920 you said was, we think that it's happening everywhere else, 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:15.960 and up until a couple of years ago, that's what 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:18.440 my thought process was. I truly was like, oh, this 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:22.279 just happens in you know, these smaller countries or countries 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:25.000 that are far away. There's no way that happens here. 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:28.279 And then you realize it's a whate hundred and fifty something. 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:31.120 How much money is this business? 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:33.000 One hundred and fifty billion, one. 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:36.719 Hundred and fifty billion dollar business. I'm like here here 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:39.440 in the United States, Like, that's right, that's the number 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:40.080 for the United States. 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:43.239 It's percent of all women and children that are rescued 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:46.320 in the United States from sex trafficking or American citizens. 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:49.520 Like, that's insane, that's I mean, that's just like, how 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:52.120 were people not like eyes wide open on that. 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:57.840 I think everyone's sort of still catching up to it, Jane. 0:05:57.920 --> 0:05:59.840 I think most people are still like, what do you 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:02.680 I mean, this happens here? Like even police departments in 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:04.640 this country are still catching up to it. You know. 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:07.720 One of my dear dear friends started the trafficking department 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:10.880 here in the LAPD and he goes around the whole 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:14.320 all around the United States, lecturing and talking to other 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:18.200 police departments, educating them and teaching them how to do 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:21.719 this and what to look for. Because people are still 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:24.920 kind of playing catch up. You know, for the longest time, 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:27.720 we thought, oh that girl on the street is there 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:32.320 willingly you didn't know, Oh she's being controlled by someone 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:33.640 that you don't see. 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:37.320 Tell us is there something that you and I know 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:40.560 this Like, I'm so overwhelmed by the topic. I think 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:42.719 I don't even know what specifically to ask you. There's 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:44.400 like a couple of things I have pinned in my brain. 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:49.520 But is there something that is like ultra red flag 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:52.359 everyone could see that we just choose not to see. 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:54.800 When say, you're at a mall or you're on a 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:56.360 street or whatever. 0:06:57.440 --> 0:07:00.200 That's a great question because there's so many different tactics 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:06.560 these guys use. My main number one, major, major thing 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:14.040 is Instagram, meta, Facebook apps, anywhere where these predators can 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:18.600 contact a child, and I look for who's following. Okay, 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:20.880 so there's a young girl, she's twelve or thirteen, she's posting, 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:23.320 you know, I don't know her pictures that she drew, 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:28.080 and you'll see immediately like hundreds and hundreds of men 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:32.840 immediately following her. So looking in the dms, looking in 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:37.840 the messages on roadblocks or minecraft or anywhere really where 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:42.800 they can contact kids. Another red flag would be, you know, 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:45.400 something that's more obvious that maybe a mother would just 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:48.240 see going to Like I'm the hawk, I'm the one 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:50.280 who will go to a park where my kid may 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:52.200 be playing at and then I'm looking for all the 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:54.400 men that are at the park, and do they have kids, 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:57.080 are they talking to kids? Is there a guy in 0:07:57.160 --> 0:08:00.720 a car idling which happens all the time, just watching 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:04.720 the kids play? So any any like even gymnastics. My 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:09.240 daughter was in a gymnastics class and I was looking 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:12.560 at the men in the audience just you know, they're observing. 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:15.520 And then when the class ended, I was like, oh, 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:17.400 half these men are not half. I shouldn't say that. 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:20.440 Some of these men aren't walking home with any kids, 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:22.920 aren't leaving with any kids. They're just they're observing. 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:26.040 And these are areas that I'd assume you're in safer 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:29.000 areas safer in air quotes like it's not like you're 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:32.320 I just want to, like, I guess expand our brains 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:35.240 in the way that like this is quite literally everywhere. 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:37.319 Christen, you do know, sorry, but you know it's one 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:39.160 of the largest hubs is here. 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:42.640 Yeah, Brent with Tennessee, which is rich and spring into 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:43.439 spring Hill. 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:45.880 Because of I sixty five. It's an easy out. 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:49.640 Everywhere, everywhere everywhere in the United States. 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:52.520 How do you know what you know and be a mom? 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:55.640 I think that's where like my throat is like literally closing, 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:57.480 Like I was reading through everything last night and I'm 0:08:57.520 --> 0:08:59.559 just like, I just want to cry and I feel 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:02.440 helpless and it feels huge and unstoppable, and I hate 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:03.000 that feeling. 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:07.360 I'm sorry, as I know, it's just real. It's why 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:11.080 I started, you know, my nonprofits, why I started the podcast, 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:13.920 It's why I started going undercover because it was so overwhelming. 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:17.400 To be honest, I just couldn't sleep. I was like, 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:19.440 I don't know how to do this. Once you know, 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:22.360 you can't unknow I can't pretend that I don't know 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:25.640 anymore that these things are happening, or once I've seen stuff, 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:28.480 I can't pretend I haven't seen it. So I couldn't sleep. 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:30.840 And so the only way that I could come to 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:32.440 terms with it was like, Okay, I have to find 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:36.520 something that I can do about this. What is needed? 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:40.560 Where can I help the most? And by diving in 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:42.120 and learning as much as I could, and then with 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:44.800 the audience that was kind of built in from Riverdale, 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:48.200 I was like, okay, let me talk about this. Let me. 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:52.200 Let me speak directly to teenagers and directly to moms 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:55.120 and dads and be like, hey, guys, this is what's happening. 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:57.360 This is what you can do to protect your kid 0:09:57.840 --> 0:09:59.839 or hey, teen that person that you're talking to the 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:04.640 guess what that could not be. That's not them, that's 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:07.079 not them. Especially with AI. 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:09.520 Remind me how old your daughter is. 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:12.240 Well, now she's sixteen, but I started this when she 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:13.200 was six. 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:16.240 Did you let her have what was your journey with 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:18.480 letting her be on social media? Did you let her 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:20.960 have it? Did you or did you ever see it? Like? 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:24.200 What is? What has that journey? And now that she's sixteen. 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:27.640 So she still doesn't have an Instagram account and not 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:32.400 because she she's just like no, she's like no, But 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:36.400 it was it was a bit I had to gently 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:39.440 explain because I don't want to scare my kid, and 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:41.720 how do you explain this? So I would sort of go, look, 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:44.800 I go the internet. I would draw a picture and 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:47.920 I go, you can contact like all of these people. 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:50.440 And I did like a thousand dots, right, all of 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:52.679 these people and any of them can talk to you. 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:54.719 And then I used like a red pen and I 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:59.000 was like that this many people are bad guys and 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:02.319 they look like the good guy and you can't tell 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:05.520 and so you have to be very, very careful. And 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:06.880 then I'm going to tell you what to look for 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:10.120 bad guys. But I want to know how old you are. 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:15.520 The bad guys are going to tell you you're pretty, You're one. 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:19.280 They're gonna be so nice and so interested. They're going 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:22.360 to ask you where do you live? Where do you 0:11:22.400 --> 0:11:25.160 go to school? They're going to ask personal questions. So 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:26.679 at first my daughter would go, oh, I just say 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:30.000 Venus or I say Canada, or I say this, And 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:32.840 then now I'm like, let's just not we don't even 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:37.520 talk to those guys. And I explained to her, I go, look, 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:40.920 you're going to run into this. It's not everybody out there. 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:42.400 And I go and I lecture at high schools, and 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:45.680 I lecture at where kids are to explain like, it's 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:49.400 gonna it's there no matter what, but if you know 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:51.200 what to look for and you know what not to 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:55.920 give away, and that these guys can pretend to be anyone. 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:58.040 And I show people how easy it is to make 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:02.160 a fake profile and put a fake kid's face, and 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:03.880 now you're that kid, and you're talking like that kid, 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:07.080 because that's what I do in the stints. I pretend 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:09.760 to be kid. It's it's just kind of like, do 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:15.000 you see the difference, And so she's very I had 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:17.080 to educate her because there was no way to avoid it. 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:21.480 There's literally no way. You're never gonna unless you never 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:24.520 let your kid online, which is I just don't. I 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:27.640 don't think that's real. So I had to educate her. 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:29.480 And then as she got older, I told her more 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:32.760 and more and more, you know, but not not. It's 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:34.439 a fine line because you don't want to freak out 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:34.920 your kid. 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:38.120 Hmm yeah, and you also want like, you know, Catherine 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:40.960 has older children, and you know, she's like, my kids 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:43.480 talk through Snapchat, like that's the new generation, Like that's 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:45.640 not something. So I'm going to be obviously leaning on 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:47.520 her when you know, my kids get older. But you 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:50.120 knew she's got high schooler and middle schooler. So it's 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:53.199 like that world has got to be so tricky to 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:54.160 navigate well. 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:56.960 And I think that every parent parents differently when it 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:59.440 comes to that. I know, for me personally, we have 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:03.600 those toscussions a lot. I have all their passwords, I 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:05.840 go through their dms to make sure they're not talking 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:08.880 to anybody they shouldn't. Snapchat is a new one for us. 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:12.440 I was very anti snapchat until lately, but they do 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:16.440 all communicate via Snapchat, which has been you know. But 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:20.200 I just think everyone navigates that differently, and I agree 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:22.920 with you that you cannot avoid it and it's a 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:27.400 conversation that has to be had, so just everybody has 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:28.400 to navigate that differently. 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:31.000 One of the things that I also did because My 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:33.040 daughter would do this thing when we were out in public, 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:35.040 like let's say we were at like an outdoor mall 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:37.360 or something, and she would love to run ahead, and 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:40.319 I was like absolute, or she would love to like 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:41.840 I want to be friends with this, I want to 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:44.280 go here, that kind of thing. So I very gently 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:49.800 because what I was saying didn't get through. I had 0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:51.560 to explain to her. I go, look, there's like I said, 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:53.760 there's very few bad guys, but they like, they go 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:55.720 after kids, and then these kids are missing, and we 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:58.280 don't want that to happen, and it wasn't real to her. 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:00.640 It was like, no, don't know. So finally I was like, okay, fine. 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:02.040 As she got older, I was like, let me explain 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:05.040 this to you, and I went on, there's the National 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:08.600 Center for Missing and Exploited Children, right, they're the milk 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:12.120 carton guys. So and I would go look, let's look 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:15.640 at and I would show all the missing kids posters 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:19.960 and then it was real. And then she was like, Okay, 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:22.920 my mom's not making this up. My mom's not being 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:26.600 you know, exaggerating or anything like that. And she finally 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:29.520 got it, and now she educates other kids of what 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:31.400 to look for and actually got one of her friends 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:33.400 off of a chat with the predator. 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:39.920 When did this become the because again my naiveness goes, well, 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:43.160 the drug industry, that was what the big industry was. 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:44.880 When did it switch to children? 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:49.560 It's a great again, a great question. It's been gradual. 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:53.800 But as the internet sort of as the internet and 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:58.880 other things became more available to everyone, this the child 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:03.200 thing kind of grew. And then not to do a 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:07.400 whole comment on society, but we kind of sexualized children. 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:11.400 We kind of do. It's like you know, the hot er, 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:14.560 all this in music and you see you see it, right, 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:18.280 So along around two thousand, two thousand and four, two 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:22.240 thousand and five, this whole thing started to started to 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:24.200 take off. Because you didn't hear about this in the 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:25.640 nineties eighties. 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:25.760 Well that's it. 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:28.680 And I was also curious statistically what the stats are 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:32.000 between missing kids in the nineties versus missing kids today, 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:34.360 Like what that's what that stat looks like, because that'd 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:36.720 be an interesting stat It's huge. 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:40.280 I mean, it's the numbers between just people in modern 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:44.760 day slavery overall have doubled in the last decade, like doubled. 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:47.440 I remember when it was it was I think it 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:50.280 was twelve or thirteen million worldwide, I think back in 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:54.600 two thousand and one, and now it is thirty the 0:15:54.720 --> 0:16:01.320 latest numbers of thirty seven million people worldwide? Why and 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:03.160 the sex trade? I believe the number is six point 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:05.240 six million women and children? 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:22.520 Do you know the number of girls or women being 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:24.920 Is it primarily? I just want to say, is that 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:27.200 is that statistically right that it's mostly just women? Or 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:29.320 is there also a percentage of the boys And. 0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:31.760 There's a small percentage of boys for sure, it's not 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:36.280 just exclusively, but the majority is women and children, but 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:37.560 it is do people as well? 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:40.800 So what is the percentage of. 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:46.680 The kids being trafficked overseas being brought here? And then 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:50.880 is are the American kids that are being trafficked? Are 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:54.480 they going overseas too? Like? What is the like when 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:57.280 you've seen in your what you've been doing? Like what 0:16:57.560 --> 0:17:00.160 what does that even look like? Because again, this is 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:03.240 the only reference that I have that's been out there, 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:06.359 you know, which got pretty much torn to shreds with 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:11.959 sound of freedom with what they shared. And I don't know, 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:15.600 I've I've heard kind of like people having difference of opinions, 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:17.119 but that was the first thing where I was like, 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:19.680 oh wow, I'm like, is there a truth in all this? 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:23.399 And yeah, it was very interesting to watch who was 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:27.400 doing the tearing. That was interesting to me. I was like, wow, 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:30.960 you really have a you're going after this like very 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:34.640 Why is what I was exactly why does this bother 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:35.480 you so much? 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:36.080 Yeah? 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:40.840 Period? Yeah, like period. It's this has been an issue 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:44.439 for it, Like the United Nations has been doing this forever. 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:47.840 It was Barack Obama when he was president, the coin 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:51.000 the term modern day slavery. This has been going on. 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:54.040 It's not a it's not a Republican issue, it's not 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:56.719 a democratic issue. It's the one issue that both sides 0:17:56.760 --> 0:18:02.879 actually agree on. Period. It's kids, right. It has nothing 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:05.400 to do with the political climate today, even though it's 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:08.760 being sort of turned into that. Right. But to answer 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:15.280 your question about a decade ago, it was the United 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:18.960 States was not on the list of countries that people 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:23.119 traveled to for sex with kids. It's called sex tourism, right, 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:25.159 And there's a whole list of countries. I know. 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:28.440 Sorry, so let's just say I'm just say it. 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:30.960 Used to be countries that you always heard like Thailand, 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:37.960 you knew about Highland the Philippines, Mexico, Dominican Republic, places 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:41.119 like that. The United States is now not only on 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:44.440 that list, but high on that list. So a decade ago, 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:49.359 if you were a kid taken, essentially you would be 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:52.560 shipped off to one of those countries because it was easier. 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:57.080 Now that there's not really a need to bring in 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:02.080 supply for lack of a better word, from other countries 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:06.080 into America because you've got the supply and the demand 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:11.280 right here period. You've got it and the majority of 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:13.280 kids and you don't And anyone who's listening to this, like, 0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:16.119 just look this up. Please, don't just base it on 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:19.080 what I'm saying. Do your own research. You can look 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:22.200 it up. But in America it's foster care children or 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:28.080 the number one foster care children and runaways are number one, period. 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:30.040 And they're picked up by a trafficker, and their traffic 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:33.960 through hotel rooms, hotel rooms and businesses pretending to be businesses, 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:37.320 and they're traveled all along the corridors want to be mentioned. 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:42.040 And they're drugged, threatened, yes, fully, all of yeah. 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:44.000 Fully, And I hate to say it, but I'm like, 0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:51.640 because it's such a horrific and unconscionable thing to imagine. 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:53.719 I was like, oh my god, thank god they're drugged, 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:58.320 because I can't imagine going through something like that as 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:04.200 a kid without something to numb you, something to shield you, 0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:08.560 because it's it's un it's unthinkable. Now. At the same time, 0:20:08.560 --> 0:20:10.920 the good news is that there's a lot, a lot, 0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:14.880 a lot of organizations doing things about this and rescuing 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:20.680 children or rehabilitating women and children. And there isn't one 0:20:20.920 --> 0:20:23.480 sort of state government that I've seen that's not doing 0:20:23.520 --> 0:20:26.720 something about this, that isn't like, Okay, great, we have organizations, 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:29.640 we have money set aside, we have laws being put 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:34.280 in trying to tackle this. So that's the good upside 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:36.399 of this is that once people do hear about it, 0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:37.160 they want to help. 0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:39.080 Yeah, I mean like, how can we help? Well, how 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:40.520 can we go on? I'm like, I want to go 0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:42.720 into stings. How do we how do I help find these? 0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:46.119 Like what can we do? And on that side of things. 0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:48.399 Like exactly, I mean educating people about it. You have 0:20:48.440 --> 0:20:52.639 a giant audience. It's that's number one, right because if 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:54.840