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Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio podcast.

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Speaker 2: So this week's podcast, do you guys ever watch Riverdale? No?

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Speaker 3: I did not.

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Speaker 4: Did I watch? Did I maybe had? I don't know

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Speaker 4: how many seasons there were? Yeah, but I think I

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Speaker 4: watched like maybe three or four seasons. Yeah, I don't

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Speaker 4: remember how many there were, though I stopped at some point.

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Speaker 2: I think I auditioned for it, but I can't remember.

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Speaker 4: I feel like we've talked about this. I feel like

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Speaker 4: you did, did I? It was really great?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 3: Riverdale?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I liked it.

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Speaker 2: I yeah, I never I never watched it, but I

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Speaker 2: heard it was a great show. But we've got Marisol

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Speaker 2: Nichols coming on, and this is a conversations that started

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Speaker 2: in our dms. Did you ever end up seeing that

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Speaker 2: video I posted? Because I never really talked about it.

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Speaker 4: I saw your like explanation, but I didn't see the.

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Speaker 2: Actual video of actual video. It's cute, but we'll get

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Speaker 2: into that. But uh, yeah, she works with a nonprofit

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Speaker 2: organization dedicated to combating human trafficking. So it's going to

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Speaker 2: be a tough conversation, but a conversation that we all

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Speaker 2: should obviously learn. And and and here and how it's just.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be it's going to be else.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a little education, and also it's going to be tough,

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Speaker 2: but it's one that needs to be had. So let's

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Speaker 2: get Marisol on.

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Speaker 1: How are you guys good?

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Speaker 3: How are you good?

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Speaker 1: I'm good. I have my dog on my lap now

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Speaker 1: we're talking. He is refusing to go anywhere else but

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Speaker 1: on my.

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Speaker 3: Lap, so it doesn't need to go anywhere else.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're really excited to have you on and have

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Speaker 2: a very important conversation. And we were kind of just

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Speaker 2: talking before the show too, because I remember talking to

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Speaker 2: David because he was so passionate about, you know, all

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Speaker 2: of this, and and then he said that you guys

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Speaker 2: started this podcast and that was I mean, how how

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Speaker 2: many years was has it been?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 3: Is a two? Three?

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Speaker 1: Well? Three? Or actually about three?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay three years?

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Speaker 2: And so you know, I and we were trying to

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Speaker 2: chat because I'm like, wait it did it start from

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Speaker 2: a role? Was it something you've just always been passionate about?

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Speaker 2: Or like, how did you get into the sex trafficking

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Speaker 2: fighting exactly?

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Speaker 1: It's like the question, I've been doing this since twenty twelve,

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Speaker 1: twenty thirteen. I have my own nonprofit called Foundation for

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Speaker 1: Slavery fee World, and I dove in kind of pretty

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Speaker 1: much as soon as I started hearing about the horrific

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Speaker 1: things that were happening to children, and I was shocked

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Speaker 1: that it was in this country, like it was always

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Speaker 1: something that like that wasn't always, but it was. You

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Speaker 1: would hear whisperings about it back in twenty twelve, twenty thirteen,

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Speaker 1: and I would I would think, probably like everyone else did, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's such a horrible thing to happen to kids over there.

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Speaker 1: Over there was because there's no way this could be happening,

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Speaker 1: you know, here in America CA. And then I learned

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Speaker 1: it was here in America, and then I learned it

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Speaker 1: was in every single city, and then I learned the

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Speaker 1: extent of it. And it's grown, you know, exponentially since

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Speaker 1: I started back then. So I dove in and I

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Speaker 1: ended up. You know, I'm sure you've read that I've

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Speaker 1: gone undercover and done these stingops in both here in

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Speaker 1: America and different countries off and on for the last decade.

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Speaker 3: How many sting operations have you been on?

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Speaker 1: At least a dozen, if not more.

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Speaker 3: And have you caught them?

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Speaker 2: And have you caught the sex trafficker in each sting

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Speaker 2: operation that you've done.

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Speaker 1: I wish I could say, yes, some of them we

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Speaker 1: haven't been able to go back and take down yet,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of them, yes, like that's the payoff.

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Speaker 1: Like a lot of them is these women and children

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Speaker 1: the bad guy behind bars. And it's not like I

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Speaker 1: can say, oh, hey, I did that one. But you know,

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Speaker 1: I've saved the newspaper clippings and stuff when they when

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Speaker 1: they do go down, because it's really nice.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's really sad. And maybe I'm just missing it.

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Speaker 2: But I just don't feel like I hear the stories

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Speaker 2: be headline, headline news. Am I missing something or is

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Speaker 4: I think if for me personally, because it is not

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Speaker 4: like you by any means but a passion of mine.

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Speaker 4: I do see those stories, but I am looking for that,

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Speaker 4: you know, So I am following things, looking at things

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Speaker 4: for those success stories. So I do see them, but

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Speaker 4: I don't think that if you otherwise are.

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Speaker 2: Hearing a mainstream media, I've not seen them.

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Speaker 1: When you've got like a diddy. Yes, that's me, sure, sure, yeah,

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Speaker 1: But when it's it's so prevalent, you would think you'd

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Speaker 1: be hearing about it. Oh And like she said, like,

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Speaker 1: once you do start hearing about this and educating yourself,

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Speaker 1: you tend to see it everywhere. But before that, it's

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Speaker 1: just sort of I don't know what it is. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if it's a protective mechanism, but you just

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Speaker 1: kind of it's a hard thing to confront.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think what's interesting too. And something that

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Speaker 2: you said was, we think that it's happening everywhere else,

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Speaker 2: and up until a couple of years ago, that's what

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Speaker 2: my thought process was. I truly was like, oh, this

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Speaker 2: just happens in you know, these smaller countries or countries

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Speaker 2: that are far away. There's no way that happens here.

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Speaker 2: And then you realize it's a whate hundred and fifty something.

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Speaker 2: How much money is this business?

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Speaker 1: One hundred and fifty billion, one.

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Speaker 2: Hundred and fifty billion dollar business. I'm like here here

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Speaker 2: in the United States, Like, that's right, that's the number

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Speaker 1: It's percent of all women and children that are rescued

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Speaker 1: in the United States from sex trafficking or American citizens.

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Speaker 2: Like, that's insane, that's I mean, that's just like, how

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Speaker 2: were people not like eyes wide open on that.

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Speaker 1: I think everyone's sort of still catching up to it, Jane.

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Speaker 1: I think most people are still like, what do you

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Speaker 1: I mean, this happens here? Like even police departments in

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Speaker 1: this country are still catching up to it. You know.

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Speaker 1: One of my dear dear friends started the trafficking department

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Speaker 1: here in the LAPD and he goes around the whole

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Speaker 1: all around the United States, lecturing and talking to other

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Speaker 1: police departments, educating them and teaching them how to do

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Speaker 1: this and what to look for. Because people are still

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Speaker 1: kind of playing catch up. You know, for the longest time,

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Speaker 1: we thought, oh that girl on the street is there

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Speaker 1: willingly you didn't know, Oh she's being controlled by someone

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Speaker 5: Tell us is there something that you and I know

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Speaker 5: this Like, I'm so overwhelmed by the topic. I think

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Speaker 5: I don't even know what specifically to ask you. There's

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Speaker 5: like a couple of things I have pinned in my brain.

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Speaker 5: But is there something that is like ultra red flag

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Speaker 5: everyone could see that we just choose not to see.

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Speaker 5: When say, you're at a mall or you're on a

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Speaker 1: That's a great question because there's so many different tactics

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Speaker 1: these guys use. My main number one, major, major thing

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Speaker 1: is Instagram, meta, Facebook apps, anywhere where these predators can

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Speaker 1: contact a child, and I look for who's following. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so there's a young girl, she's twelve or thirteen, she's posting,

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Speaker 1: and you'll see immediately like hundreds and hundreds of men

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Speaker 1: something that's more obvious that maybe a mother would just

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Speaker 1: see going to Like I'm the hawk, I'm the one

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Speaker 1: men that are at the park, and do they have kids,

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Speaker 1: a car idling which happens all the time, just watching

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Speaker 1: at the men in the audience just you know, they're observing.

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Speaker 1: And then when the class ended, I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: half these men are not half. I shouldn't say that.

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Speaker 1: Some of these men aren't walking home with any kids,

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Speaker 1: aren't leaving with any kids. They're just they're observing.

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Speaker 5: And these are areas that I'd assume you're in safer

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Speaker 5: areas safer in air quotes like it's not like you're

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Speaker 5: I just want to, like, I guess expand our brains

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Speaker 5: in the way that like this is quite literally everywhere.

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Speaker 4: Christen, you do know, sorry, but you know it's one

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Brent with Tennessee, which is rich and spring into

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Speaker 4: Because of I sixty five. It's an easy out.

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Speaker 1: Everywhere, everywhere everywhere in the United States.

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Speaker 3: How do you know what you know and be a mom?

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Speaker 5: I think that's where like my throat is like literally closing,

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Speaker 5: Like I was reading through everything last night and I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, as I know, it's just real. It's why

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Speaker 1: I started, you know, my nonprofits, why I started the podcast,

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Speaker 1: It's why I started going undercover because it was so overwhelming.

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Speaker 1: To be honest, I just couldn't sleep. I was like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how to do this. Once you know,

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Speaker 1: you can't unknow I can't pretend that I don't know

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Speaker 1: anymore that these things are happening, or once I've seen stuff,

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Speaker 1: And so the only way that I could come to

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Speaker 1: Where can I help the most? And by diving in

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Speaker 1: I was like, okay, let me talk about this. Let me.

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Speaker 1: Let me speak directly to teenagers and directly to moms

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Speaker 1: and dads and be like, hey, guys, this is what's happening.

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Speaker 1: This is what you can do to protect your kid

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Speaker 1: or hey, teen that person that you're talking to the

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Speaker 1: guess what that could not be. That's not them, that's

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Speaker 1: not them. Especially with AI.

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Speaker 3: Remind me how old your daughter is.

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Speaker 1: Well, now she's sixteen, but I started this when she

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Speaker 2: Did you let her have what was your journey with

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Speaker 2: letting her be on social media? Did you let her

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Speaker 2: have it? Did you or did you ever see it? Like?

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Speaker 3: What is? What has that journey? And now that she's sixteen.

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Speaker 1: So she still doesn't have an Instagram account and not

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Speaker 1: because she she's just like no, she's like no, But

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Speaker 1: it was it was a bit I had to gently

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Speaker 1: how do you explain this? So I would sort of go, look,

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Speaker 1: I go the internet. I would draw a picture and

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Speaker 1: I go, you can contact like all of these people.

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Speaker 1: And I did like a thousand dots, right, all of

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Speaker 1: these people and any of them can talk to you.

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Speaker 1: a lot. In addition to me going undercover when I

434
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Speaker 1: can with different law enforcement, my main thing is trying

435
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 1: to educate preventative because that's what I care about more

436
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 1: than anything, is preventing any of this happening in the

437
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:55,119
Speaker 1: first place. So the podcast where I Reach My My,

438
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 1: you know, a very good audience, which I'm very proud of,

439
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 1: but also going face to face with kids. I can't

440
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 1: be everywhere in every school at all times, but we're

441
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 1: putting together something that we can put into schools that

442
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,159
Speaker 1: sort of like add a water and mix. Here's the

443
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:13,159
Speaker 1: data here. It is geared down to a junior high kid.

444
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 1: This is what a junior high kid or an elementary's

445
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 1: kid should look for. This is how to protect yourself

446
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,640
Speaker 1: without overwhelming and making every single person a bad guy,

447
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 1: because you don't want that. And then okay, hi, high school, Okay, college,

448
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,959
Speaker 1: this is what you have to be aware of because

449
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 1: and the Internet now is the new white van. You know,

450
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 1: growing up, it was like, look for the white van. Sure,

451
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 1: the white van, it exists, but it's the Internet now

452
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:39,360
Speaker 1: that's the right van.

453
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's kind of where I want to transition

454
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 2: to because obviously this conversation came about after I posted

455
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:49,680
Speaker 2: that video of my daughter. Yes, for those that didn't

456
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 2: see it, I'd posted a photo video of us doing

457
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:56,120
Speaker 2: this cute little TikTok dance. My daughter that morning we

458
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 2: were saying we were going to do yoga and then

459
00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 2: we were going to go grocery shopping and then get

460
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 2: some Halloween decorations, and we were doing this. So she

461
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,400
Speaker 2: comes down, you know, in her little sportspra and little shorts,

462
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 2: and I again thought nothing of it, because like she

463
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 2: likes to be in the gym while I'm working out

464
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 2: and just stretching, and we love dancing. And my almost

465
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 2: one year old little boy is just loves to dance

466
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 2: as well, and so I was like, oh, we should

467
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 2: do this cute little TikTok dance and so I then

468
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 2: post it. She was wearing her sports bra and her shorts.

469
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 2: I again just thought nothing of it, and then I

470
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,199
Speaker 2: started to see comments, and you know, I when it

471
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 2: came to the thing of the AI and like, I

472
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 2: don't know anything. I don't know what AI can do.

473
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 2: I because I didn't look at it, and I was like, wow,

474
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,959
Speaker 2: people are like sexualizing my daughter. I don't understand. And

475
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,719
Speaker 2: that was that kind of blew me away. But then

476
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 2: they're like protector.

477
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:47,959
Speaker 3: I'm like what.

478
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 2: At first, I was a little like this is more

479
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Speaker 2: than a bathing suit. I don't understand, Like this was

480
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 2: a sweet little video I did with my daughter, and

481
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 2: I at first was a little defensive when I was

482
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Speaker 2: talking about it to my husband, but then when I

483
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 2: texted David, I was like, Hey, you know this world,

484
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 2: and people are saying that they could take her cute

485
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,239
Speaker 2: little dancing, change her face or use her face and

486
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,199
Speaker 2: then like AI into a sexual video. If that is

487
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 2: the case, please tell me and I will take it down.

488
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 2: Like I trust your opinion, because you know this world.

489
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 2: I just didn't and I didn't think that that could

490
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 2: be a possibility. And he was like, I would advise

491
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,159
Speaker 2: to take it down. You should talk to Marisol, you know,

492
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 2: and this is why. And I was like all right,

493
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 2: and then I was like delete immediately. And then I

494
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 2: just felt terrible because I'm like, well, I didn't I

495
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,880
Speaker 2: didn't know. And then I'm like, you know, going through

496
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 2: all the things in my brain, and then I'm like, gosh,

497
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 2: I posted a video of her in her swimsuit at

498
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 2: the pool, and then I'm like, this is so sad

499
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 2: that we even have to think about this. I'm like,

500
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 2: why can't I just show a beautiful backyard? And then like,

501
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 2: I know, you posted things, you know, with your daughter

502
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,239
Speaker 2: in a bathing suit, and I'm like what, It's just

503
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 2: like I'm not saying that to you either, but I'm

504
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 2: just like it's just so sad that I'm like, we

505
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 2: can't just post photos of our family without being like, oh,

506
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 2: the Internet's going to take this and have a heyday

507
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 2: with it. But also I don't know the risks, so

508
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:01,880
Speaker 2: what are they?

509
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: So I mean, AI is a whole other tool that

510
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 1: is like a snowball rolling downhill that's growing and growing

511
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 1: and growing uncontrolled right now, period and law like, legally

512
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 1: and politically, everyone's again trying to play catch up with

513
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: this thing because this is something brand new that we've

514
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: never had to deal with. But yes, to answer your question, yes,

515
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: they can take an image of anybody. They're called deep fakes.

516
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 1: You may have heard of deep fakes, right, And they

517
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: do it with celebrities, but they can do it with anybody.

518
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: And they'll put your face on a naked body and

519
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 1: put it together and you will never, ever, ever, ever know.

520
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 1: It's very scary and bad actors are always going to

521
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: take technology and twist it and use it for criminal

522
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 1: and nefarious means. Now there's I work a lot with Meta,

523
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: right I've actually they're doing some really good things right now.

524
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,239
Speaker 1: And one of the things that they are doing is

525
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 1: they made it so that all child accounts immediately on

526
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: Instagram and Facebook are immediately private no matter what by default,

527
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: which means that strangers cannot just DM them, strangers cannot

528
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: just follow them. You have to approve access and improve

529
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: access for these guys to have access to your kids.

530
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: So if your kid is posting something, it's controlled as

531
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: opposed to just out there in the world. But again

532
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: you should know and as parents, what these guys are

533
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 1: looking for is they're looking for vulnerable children. They're looking

534
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: for kids that are like that are insecure, they come

535
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: from a troubled home, that are easy targets, right, kids

536
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: that are posting things like, you know, f my parents,

537
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 1: so I hate my mother, or oh my god, they

538
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: grounded me again? And sexually sexual kids. You know, we

539
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: all know kids like this. Those are the kids that

540
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: they're looking for. They're looking for vulnerable kids. So even

541
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: in life, I always use this example to my daughter.

542
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: There's let's say five girls walking down the street and

543
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 1: one guy who's a bad guy. I say, hey, you

544
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: guys are so pretty. If four of the girls are

545
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: you know, hey f you? Or get away from me

546
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: or where it all great? The one kid that's thank you,

547
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 1: that's their target. They're looking for vulnerable, easy kids. So

548
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: again this is speaking from the education point of view

549
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: and how to talk to your own kids and what

550
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: you're posting. But Janna, in the case of you, I

551
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: agree with you. It's heartbreaking that you can't just post

552
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: a picture of your kid Like I went back and

553
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: I deleted most of my pictures and rain my daughter.

554
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: I don't post anything of her now as her age

555
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: because I also know I'm a target. So I'll post

556
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: something of her being younger. Here she was, I'm so

557
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: happy of you. You're sixteen years old. Here's a baby

558
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: pic kind of thing. Because we have to think with

559
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: we have to think like these guys think, think how

560
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: bad guys think, and how they could twist something. And

561
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: then it's up to each individual if you want to

562
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: you know what you want to put out there and

563
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: what you don't.

564
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 4: Sure.

565
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: I know some parents that are like, sure, fine, I

566
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: don't care, You're going to do it anyway. I'm proud

567
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: of my kids and I'm going to celebrate this moment.

568
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 3: Well that's where I'm and I'll let you.

569
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 2: I know you. I know you've got something that you

570
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 2: want to say too. But like there was a for me.

571
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 2: It's like I don't want to not not share my

572
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 2: family because that is a part of I love sharing.

573
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 2: But I also know that now I can be a

574
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 2: little bit more aware of what I share right to protect.

575
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 4: But sure, Well I had a question about the meta stuff.

576
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 4: So they're going to now make kids automatically private, yes,

577
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 4: which just so we're clear, my kids cannot have social

578
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 4: media that is public. It has always been private. Yes,

579
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 4: that is rule number one.

580
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 3: But I hope you know there's no shame either way.

581
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 4: Like I mean, I've gotten it from some people on

582
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 4: here because I've open about that my kids do have

583
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 4: social media. People like or don't like that I control it.

584
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,239
Speaker 4: You know they have. They all have opinions, which is

585
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 4: everyone has an opinion. That's fine, but just so everyone

586
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 4: knows they are private. It is interesting to me to

587
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 4: hear that. I love that. But can they change it

588
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 4: to public?

589
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: Okay, So there's two things coming out, So that's a

590
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: great question. So by default, every kid's account is now private.

591
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: They rolled that out. I'm working with them on legislation that.

592
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: In fact, they just spoke about it in the South

593
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: Dakota Congress. They're going to state to state the state

594
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: and them federally. But what they what met US is

595
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: behind right now is making it controllable. Also at the

596
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: app store, So what does that mean? So that means

597
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: that when you buy a phone for your kid and

598
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: you download the software to start that phone from the

599
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: app store, you as a parent, right there go, this

600
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: is a phone for a twelve year old kid.

601
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 3: Oh that's cool.

602
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: I know. So that automatically everything that is on that

603
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: phone is known that it's for a kid, So any

604
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: every single app, every single thing, every single setting, because

605
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: who parents know how to do that right and know

606
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: how to go into every single app and set the

607
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: safety settings and set the privacy settings. It's impossible, and

608
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: they're constantly changing. So it's by default that everything would

609
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: all automatically be registered as a kid. And then anytime

610
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: your kid tries to change anything, download something, you as

611
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: a parent get a notification and you can approve or

612
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: not approve. And it's something that I really really believe

613
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: in because I think it's twofold, do you know what

614
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: I mean? It's if we can stop it at the source,

615
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: so that the phone, the advice itself is registered as

616
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: a kid. That is something that I think is going

617
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: to be very beneficial, especially as a parent and how

618
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: everything's changing and there's new apps and Snapchat and discord

619
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: and all of these different things. Can we just have

620
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: one sort of stable thing that everyone just knows and

621
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: does and it's automatic and I don't have to think

622
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: about it.

623
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: I'm such a This is where I go cynical, though,

624
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 2: is I'm like, it's controlled by someone probably in the

625
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 2: government that will change it or that can do loopholes

626
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 2: around it. I don't know where I just get or

627
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 2: corruption twins yeah where. I'm just like it's corrupt and

628
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 2: they'll find a way to make more money.

629
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 3: Like it may.

630
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Speaker 5: It gave me a deep breath that you said you're

631
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 5: working with Meta. I was like, okay, okay, I mean

632
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 5: I think I might have taken one breath since you've

633
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 5: started talking, because I'm just like.

634
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 2: Spyraling I do a life check on your I'm just

635
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 2: this is like.

636
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 3: My worst nightmare. Like it makes me emotional.

637
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: I don't yeah, it's scary, mind too.

638
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 3: It's wild.

639
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 5: That's so I have first once I can emotionally get

640
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 5: myself together. It's just it's such a big, crazy world

641
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 5: and it makes me so anxious as a mom. I mean,

642
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 5: I've got beautiful babies. We all want to share our

643
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 5: kids are listen and not to like be funny, but

644
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 5: like literally it's how I don't have to answer the

645
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 5: phone for a lot of people, you know, because like

646
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 5: they checked in on Facebook and we can keep rolling,

647
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 5: Like I don't have to send pictures out to the

648
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 5: group or all the things, but it's so wildly overwhelming

649
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Speaker 5: because it's like I don't take my kids to target,

650
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 5: I don't take my kids to the mall.

651
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 3: I don't want to be that mom, but I am

652
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 3: that mom.

653
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 5: Like it's like the I have to kind of almost

654
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 5: learn at a real slow pace because I digest it

655
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 5: so much into my DNA that I feel like I

656
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 5: can't sleep. So one, I want to just commend you

657
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 5: for the way that you're built, because I don't. I mean,

658
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 5: it's just heroic to me what you're up to. But two,

659
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 5: this is more of like a personal question how do

660
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 5: you know what you know?

661
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 3: Like how do you.

662
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 5: Come home from being like in a sting operation and

663
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 5: then just like wash your face and go to sleep

664
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 5: Because I don't, So I don't know how you're processing this,

665
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 5: Like you're still just a human and a mom. You

666
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 5: know this is really big, heavy, important work that you're doing.

667
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 2: It.

668
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 1: I'm it's overwhelming. I don't come home and wash my

669
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 1: face and just go to bed. I come home and

670
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: it takes me like a week to decompress to start

671
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 1: seeing people as normal.

672
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I hate everyone right now. For you. You know,

673
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:43,959
Speaker 3: it's a lot.

674
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: It messes me up. It takes a toll, and so

675
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: I dive in and I dive out because otherwise I

676
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,720
Speaker 1: can't function, And so I have to constantly remind myself

677
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: and look around and go, Okay, it's not everybody, it's

678
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: not every man. It's not like go I go if

679
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: I go to like, let's say when my child was younger,

680
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: and I would go to a park, and I'd be like,

681
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: I'd look at all the kids and I'd go, Okay, well,

682
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: all of these kids are perfectly fine. None of these

683
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: kids are being taken. Okay, I'll go to a high school. Okay,

684
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: all of these kids are doing well. The majority of

685
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: these kids are never nothing bad is ever going to

686
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: happen to them, And I constantly have to look at

687
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: and have to like train myself to really look and

688
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: observe from myself. Okay, the majority of people, I think

689
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 1: eighty percent of people are still very good and care

690
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: very much about this issue, and including men. And then

691
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: there's just the twenty percent that are the bad actors

692
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: that you have to protect yourself against. But otherwise I

693
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: could never live my life, my kid could never live

694
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: their lives. And it's a it's a it's a balance,

695
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: but it still is the majority. It's still good.

696
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, I needed that sentence from you selfishly, just because

697
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 5: I default to everyone's a creep. I mean, they would

698
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 5: probably tell you I'm the psychopath here, like I'm a

699
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 5: psych I mean we homeschool, we do, and not to

700
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 5: keep them in a bubble all the way, all the way,

701
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 5: but a lot of that reasoning is for me just

702
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 5: what they're exposed to. I feel like kids, even and

703
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 5: all things, are exposed way too fast, way too soon.

704
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 3: They don't get a chance to be kids anymore.

705
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 2: Like and we've just I think some passionate environment though,

706
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 2: like you know what I mean, Like in cat situation,

707
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 2: their kids, you know, kids got social media earlier because

708
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 2: her kids were hanging on older people, you know, like

709
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 2: with the sports and stuff like that. So it's like,

710
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, it's navigate it.

711
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

712
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 4: Like, well, yeah, and I think it's a lot of

713
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 4: its conversation but also kind of going back to what

714
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 4: y'all were saying and not being able to sleep, I

715
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 4: think that touches on a lot of not that people

716
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 4: don't know that this is going on. I have a

717
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 4: lot of moms that I've tried to talk to about this.

718
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 4: The problem is it is so overwhelming they put their

719
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 4: heads in the sand. I'm just going to be frank.

720
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 4: It is actually very frustrating for me because I'm like,

721
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 4: you have to be aware of this, especially if they're

722
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 4: on social media, especially if they're online. And I get

723
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 4: that it's overwhelming. And I've had people tell me that

724
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 4: they're like, if I go down that rabbit hole, my

725
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 4: anxiety will be so high. And I understand that, and

726
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 4: I think it's figuring out how to go in and

727
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 4: go out and to be able to educate yourself. You've

728
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 4: done it, but not control your life. And it's not easy.

729
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 4: I mean, I understand that. Again, I've had lots of

730
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 4: conversations with moms who feel that way, but then they

731
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 4: just go, I can't, I can't handle it.

732
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 5: We're really close with the family that's like that, and

733
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 5: I can't. I can't know. And kids are on roadblocks

734
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 5: and all the things, and I've I know, same face,

735
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 5: and I've had to have you know, the kids wear

736
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 5: less clothes and I've had to say to my daughter,

737
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 5: understand that you would love to wear that crop top,

738
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 5: and I said, there's I'm just I have to. She's eight,

739
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 5: so you know, they're still young, and I'm going, I'm

740
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 5: not going to go in the deep deep dive, but

741
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 5: I've had to say that. I was like, there is

742
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 5: something something called perception, and I need to help you

743
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 5: understand what perception could be if you're wearing something like

744
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 5: this or something like that. Like, but it is just

745
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 5: crazy that they're eight and we're having to talk about this.

746
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 2: The reason my daughter thought I was okay to wear

747
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 2: sports Burrow around the house was because I wear sports

748
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 2: Borrow on the house. So like call myself out, like

749
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 2: I'm not. That's an example that I'm not really putting

750
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 2: my best foot forward with that. Now, would I ever

751
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 2: let her go out in public wearing a sports prop.

752
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 3: No, I didn't.

753
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 2: Obviously made her put her shirt off, but then I

754
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 2: posted it to too milliy people like.

755
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 5: I was like, I don't think anybody is nailing it,

756
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 5: by the way, and I don't think none of us

757
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 5: are not nailing it, and I think we're all the

758
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 5: reason to me for women that like really have their

759
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 5: like pulse on it, I think it's just so overwhelming.

760
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 3: It's like where do we start?

761
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 4: Well, And I was going to say, I mean, and

762
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 4: this is hard for me because my daughters a cheerleader

763
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 4: who basically lives in a sports bra. R you know,

764
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 4: so I want to like throw that in there. I mean,

765
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 4: there are definitely things that are I just posted my

766
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 4: daughter doing a tumbling pass last night in a sports bra.

767
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 4: She is in it ninety nine percent of the time.

768
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 4: So I am aware of the AI part of this.

769
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 4: I am this close to taking my Instagram but I'm nobody.

770
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 4: I am this close to taking it back to the

771
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 4: people I know and making it private because I couldn't

772
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 4: care less about a following, you know, I am. I

773
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 4: think that that's where my path is going because I

774
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 4: do want to share that. I want to share that

775
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 4: she got a new skill last night. I want to

776
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 4: you know whatever. So I think that things will be

777
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 4: changing in our household anyway in that sense. But having

778
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 4: said that, I hate to hear you say that that

779
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 4: was a bad mom move on you because you wear

780
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 4: a sports bra to work out. That's not the way

781
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 4: to approach this, in my opinion, I don't think that.

782
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 3: But I d saying that for her, for her to

783
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 3: come down in a sports.

784
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 4: Bra, I don't. I don't what is wrong with the

785
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 4: sports bra. Understand showing it to the world, but what

786
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 4: is wrong with her wearing a sports bra.

787
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 5: That's where I'm also like the over sexualization of all

788
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 5: of us, Like we're women, we are I If I

789
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 5: have an AB, I'm wearing a sports bra so that

790
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 5: you can see it because I'm going to be so proud.

791
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 4: And I'm never don't right.

792
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: As a mom after you have kids, if you and

793
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: you have abs, I'm sorry. I'm like, absolutely, I'm not

794
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: twenty thank you.

795
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 3: You are naked all the time.

796
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: But we're adults. It's a thing we're not putting. I'm assuming.

797
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: Like to me, it's about the intention behind the photo.

798
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: Like two people could could post the same outfit and

799
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: they could be similar age, and one could be like

800
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: posting the outfit because it's like this is only book

801
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: when I have sex, and the other one could be

802
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,240
Speaker 1: posting the same outfit. That's like, look at me proud.

803
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: It's the intention, I think, and the flow and what

804
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: you're trying to communicate, you know.

805
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you look at these teens, like you're saying,

806
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 4: the ones that are more vulnerable, the ones, there is

807
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 4: a difference, I'm sorry, than my daughter's account and the

808
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 4: daughter who's doing this. It's just doesn't necessarily make it

809
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 4: right or wrong. But there's a difference.

810
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like, you're literally wanting, you're asking for older

811
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 2: men to comment on your page, and like it's like

812
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 2: it's painful. As someone close to this person, I'm like, like,

813
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 2: you know, young, and it's just you know, it's trying

814
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 2: to help teach, but just had a tough upbringing and

815
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 2: you know, so it's been it's been hard.

816
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: I think that I understand. I have friends that don't

817
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: want to hear about it. I have friends that are like,

818
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 1: I don't know how you do it. I don't want

819
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: to know. I don't to know. And then literally that

820
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: same friend something happened with her young son who she

821
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: thought would never ever, ever, ever happen, and he was

822
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: talking to what he thought was another fifteen year old

823
00:41:56,040 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: girl on Instagram on DM and sure enough, this girl

824
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: had sent an uber to him at midnight convinced him

825
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: to sneak out of his house and she caught him,

826
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: thank god, caught him and called me immediately, and I

827
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: put her in touch with different law enforcement in that

828
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: town and whereas and where the boy was headed, who

829
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: didn't even know where he was going these things. I

830
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: think when you know what to look for, when you've

831
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: gotten passed and through the horror of it and you're like, okay,

832
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: what can I do about it, it becomes less overwhelming

833
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: because it's specific. It's not everyone, it's not every communication,

834
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: it's not every single thing, and you know nothing about

835
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: it and it's all overwhelming. It's very specific. You look

836
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: for this, this, this, this. You know what to look for,

837
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 1: and so will your kids. And those conversations and that

838
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: education I think is empowered. Not you do have to

839
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: get through the confront of it, but on the other side,

840
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: it's a lot easier to control once you know what

841
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: to look for and you know how to protect yourself

842
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: and you know how to protect your friends.

843
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 2: What are the ages that it's again statistically, I know

844
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 2: it's a bunch, but what does the age range?

845
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:24,439
Speaker 1: It depends on specifically for what thing. So it's as

846
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: young as an eight year old chatting right and somebody

847
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: pretending to be another kid and show me or like,

848
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 1: it depends on what they're going for. If they're going

849
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: for I need a video or picture of a young

850
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: girl showing me her body. That can range from anywhere

851
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: from eight years old up. If they're going for convincing

852
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: a kid to sneak out to go do something nefarious

853
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: with them, right, that happens. That happens. I have a

854
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 1: whole episode on my podcast with the sheriff out of Michigan.

855
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 1: The guy who's traveling straight state doing this. That's your

856
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 1: twelve year old, your thirteen year old, your fourteen year old.

857
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 1: And then it also depends on if it's a boy. Right,

858
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: So mom's out there that have boys, think, Okay, I

859
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about that. Well, with boys, what

860
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: they're doing, it's a fifteen year old, sixteen year old,

861
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: seventeen year old boy who's you know, they're going through

862
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: hormonal changes. Let's just say it is what it is,

863
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 1: and they're they're looking for stuff, right, and so with that,

864
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: that'll be your your AI. That'll be your man pretending

865
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 1: to be a girl contacting the sun and sending what's

866
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: supposed to be a naked video or naked picture, convincing

867
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: the boy to do the same thing. And then they've

868
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: got them, and then it's it so. And then if

869
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: it's plain old trafficking and your own thing, that's a

870
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: little bit older fourteen on up if that makes sense

871
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: at least in America. Right, this is what we're looking

872
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 1: at in America.

873
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 3: That's good to know.

874
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 2: I have a question, and again this might be a

875
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 2: political question. You can also pass with it because obviously

876
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 2: you're an extremely successful actress. You were on obviously Riverdale.

877
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 2: Have you seen pushback from the industry because of what

878
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 2: you're doing?

879
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 3: Would you like to pass? You can also pass.

880
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: I just know it's okay.

881
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 2: It's interesting to me because I just feel like when

882
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 2: someone even scripts that people are wanting to make scripted,

883
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 2: there there's pushback on it in this world.

884
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 1: Yes, So you know, I have a movie that we're doing.

885
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: It started out as a TV show based on my

886
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: life and as an undercover operative and an actress and

887
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: a mom. And I will tell you that when we pitched,

888
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: and we pitched everybody in town. We pitched, you know,

889
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 1: Natsille Likes and m and Apple and everyone Fox, everyone,

890
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:59,720
Speaker 1: And in the rooms people would be crying, like literally,

891
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: and every individual that I would meet would be like,

892
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: oh my god, we have to this is incredible. Almost

893
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 1: every I can always tell the one that's like uncomfortable,

894
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to hear, and I'm like, oh, I

895
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: see where you're up to. Got it? You can tell,

896
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 1: you can always tell. Unfortunately, every single solitary entity though

897
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 1: passed this is too dark, we don't want to And

898
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: this is right before Sound of Freedom, which is what

899
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: I liked about Sound of Freedom was that it proved

900
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: that people wanted to know about this, that that this is.

901
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 1: People do need to know. This can't be something that's

902
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: just in the dark.

903
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 2: But yet so many people wrote that it's all just

904
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,320
Speaker 2: a bunch of bullshit and that it wasn't That's not true.

905
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,479
Speaker 1: Look at who was writing that, right, Look, I mean.

906
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 4: I yeah, why did it become a political thing? I

907
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 4: can write? I can never understand that.

908
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:54,959
Speaker 3: I'm like, how are why are we? Yeah?

909
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 2: But anyways, but yes too so so that was passed upon.

910
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: That was all passed upon. It Now we're doing it,

911
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: I think, for lifetime and doing it as a movie,

912
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: which makes me very very happy because there are now

913
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 1: and because of Sound of Freedom, of these other movies

914
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: and individuals in these positions will make these decisions. They

915
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 1: do want to tell this, they do want people to know,

916
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: they do want to talk about it. So it's very interesting.

917
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 1: Janet your question because Hollywood as an entity, yes, there's

918
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: pushback individuals within there, there isn't and there's no I

919
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: want to know, please tell us what can we do

920
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 1: about this? And so it always gives me hope because

921
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:38,919
Speaker 1: when I meet people individually, they do care.

922
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 2: It's just the boss that's paying the bills that's going

923
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 2: to end up saying.

924
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: Whoever's behind that whole thing. There's definitely a h on

925
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: it as far as I run across, run across. Yeah.

926
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, Marisol, thank you for coming on. I mean,

927
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 2: you know, there's having me many questions. I you know,

928
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 2: would want to ask about what I think. You know,

929
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 2: listeners want hear about Riverdale, but honest, this is what

930
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 2: I want to listen to. And so, you know, just

931
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 2: thank you for coming on and spreading not only awareness

932
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 2: but teaching and everything that you're doing. So can you

933
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 2: please let our listeners once again know where they can

934
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,399
Speaker 2: find you your podcast and everything that you're doing.

935
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,439
Speaker 1: Very thank you, very much, and thank you for having me,

936
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: and thank you for talking about the subjects. You can

937
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: find my podcast Mari soul Nichols podcast. We made it

938
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: as simple as possible so that it could be found

939
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: as easily as possible. And then my nonprofit is called

940
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: Slavery Free World and it's Slaveryfreeworld dot org. And we've

941
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: got lots of information on there and on the website immediately.

942
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: So you, okay, what can I do? What else should

943
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,760
Speaker 1: I look for? It's all It's there and we're updating

944
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 1: it constantly.

945
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 3: Yes, I love it.

946
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,760
Speaker 2: Well, thank you for coming on. We appreciate you, and

947
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 2: let us know when we can join the next thing.

948
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 3: Because yes, thank you, guys, dance take them down, thank you,

949
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 3: thanks girl.

950
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: Thanks.

951
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 3: I can't be honest ing. I think we all know

952
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 3: that we.

953
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 4: Got on the website right now to see what I

954
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 4: can do.

955
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 3: I want to talk to children, you about it.

956
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 4: You would probably be great, would be in the like

957
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 4: the rehabilitate rehabilitation part of it, agreed, okay, because that

958
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 4: would I mean that I wanted to kind of get

959
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 4: into that too, But there's just so much to ask.

960
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 3: I could talk to her.

961
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 4: I literally did a part it is, but there's there's

962
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 4: that side of it too.

963
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 2: It's so true what you were saying about other people

964
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 2: that you've talked to is just putting the hand head

965
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 2: in the sand. Because this is was obviously a very

966
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 2: tough conversation, and I think a lot of people get

967
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 2: so uncomfortable with it that they just don't or it's

968
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 2: just too mature. It's like these are our kids, I know. Yeah,

969
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 2: it's a wild world, and that it's just makes me

970
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 2: sick that it's the number one yeah money maker, Like

971
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 2: it's disgusting, and that's what people don't know.

972
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 4: Like, I literally, I don't think people understand those numbers.

973
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,919
Speaker 2: No, I really, and I I do think a lot

974
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 2: of those people probably will go into the conspiracy of

975
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 2: those Oh it's just political.

976
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 4: Oh, it's just I had someone I had this conversation

977
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 4: with about when Sound of Freedom Freedom came out and

978
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 4: they were very angry about the movie because that's not

979
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 4: the only way it happens.

980
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, I know.

981
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,959
Speaker 2: Yes, it's always it's usually the uncle or the person. Yes,

982
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 2: a lot of those cases are too Yet it's.

983
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 4: Still shedding light and I'm not saying to be aware.

984
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's people that we know.

985
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 4: And like she said, she talked about how there's so

986
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 4: many different ways. What are they looking for, what are

987
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 4: they doing? There's so many aspects of this that to me,

988
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 4: I can't fathom or understand why any light being shed

989
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 4: on it can be a negative, right, And that's hard

990
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 4: for me. And I understand that there might be other

991
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 4: alternatives or ulterior motives, or there may be whatever, But

992
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 4: to me, the positive outweighs the negative to awareness on it.

993
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 4: And I understand there's so many different aspects of it,

994
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 4: and yes, there's a lot of people that are close

995
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 4: to people that do it, but there's also different ways

996
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 4: and all the things we talked about.

997
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 3: Yep, learn it all.

998
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 4: Yep, right ladies, Well, yeah, thank a lot, maybe all right,

999
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 4: good bye,