WEBVTT - Licensed to Ill 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:07.080 You're listening to Winning on Reparations, a production of My 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:10.600 Heart Radio. All right, yo, alright, this is how we 0:00:10.720 --> 0:00:13.480 do things. COVID gotta do strain must got the Delpha 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:15.600 back loops sort of like two chains. It will make 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:18.119 your mood change. Billionaires of place in best gamble with 0:00:18.160 --> 0:00:21.600 the system, gut everybody placed in debt, vote against the interest, 0:00:21.640 --> 0:00:23.960 get a great regret. Now they're going after oh Ma, 0:00:24.200 --> 0:00:26.800 and they're making threats. That's a no, no, we can't 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:29.800 forget Chris Quobo helping his brother out pro bo. No. 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:32.680 So understand when you see in my face, it's like 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:35.360 the trouble on the speaker, see Evaperate when it comes 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:38.319 to Rob Muffucker. Seeing op Grate make white boys say, 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:43.760 why I gotta be about race? He happening? What's popping? 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:47.720 My good people? What my name's dope? Night and we 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:53.519 are waiting on reparations. We are back. I had to 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:56.800 take a little little load off for Thanksgiving. How was 0:00:56.840 --> 0:01:00.760 your Thanksgiving? Happy thanks Giving? Happy Thanksgiving? Happy belated thanks Giving? Um, 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:03.040 it was it was good. It was RESTful. I went 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:05.520 up to my aunt's house. M My family lives on 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:08.160 this compound in the middle of nowhere in North Carolina 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:10.440 to my auntie's house. My other auntie lives on the 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:13.920 other side of my grandma. Other auntie and cousin live 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:16.839 right down the street. And so UM went out there 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:25.160 held some babies. UM got very full, UM, and very high. UM. 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:28.360 And it's it was interesting to me. This is the 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:31.600 first These are the first years in which I'm reflecting 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:35.600 on how fucked up of a holiday. Thanksgiving it like deep, 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:38.960 you know, deeply and big graining awareness about like the 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:43.119 the new observance of the National Day of Mourning for 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:46.960 Indigenous folks on that day. UM, and my family is 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:50.160 actually Afro Indigenous. Um, I've known my whole life, but 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:54.400 have not really like researched or or at all attempted 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:58.120 to learn about our customs or heritage or history. And 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:01.600 so with the passage of a Gigenous People's Day as 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:04.280 the first Monday in October, I guess, you know Columbus 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:08.240 Day earlier this year, I started thinking about, Um, just 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:12.120 like Indigenous life ways and knowledge and how that could 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:14.760 be incorporated into you know, policymaking, but also just like 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:17.440 what does it mean to try to recover your lost 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:20.960 heritage that it has been erased? UM. And so I 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:24.919 sometimes on Wikipedia, uh, just reading about our tribe, the 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:27.360 hallowel Sa pony tribe that my family still lives on, 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:30.639 like the tribal lands. UM. And yeah, I learned a 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:34.440 lot of interesting history. For example, under Jim Crow, Indigenous 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:38.720 people were treated the same as black people, disenfranchised from voting, 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:42.960 harassed and terrorized in all these ways. UM, there's this 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:46.519 resistance for for the indigenous folks. They wanted I guess 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:49.840 we we wanted our own schools, We wanted separate stuff 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:51.960 from black people because we didn't want to get lumped 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:54.000 in with black people because black people were treated like shit. 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:58.760 But even down to like the the birth certificate records 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:02.480 and things like that, UM, in this area, like you 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:04.160 were either black or white. They didn't even have like 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:07.320 a checkbox for if you were Native American. And so 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:10.560 like all these ways that you know, I just assumed 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:12.440 I grew up and they just didn't teach me my history. 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:17.399 But before that, there's like very systematic erasure of UM 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:21.000 our all of our past. Like you couldn't even yeah, 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:23.959 you couldn't even check the box to say I am 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:27.360 a Native American on a lot of official documents, UM, 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:31.239 which is partially why you know, I grew up thinking 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:33.320 myself black, and I am black. I'm very black, proud 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:36.160 of my black heritage. But like you know, the the 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:39.800 Indians ship got like just totally bulldozed since you rolled 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:42.680 generations before I even came along. So anyway, that was 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:45.160 a day of reflection on all that stuff for me, 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:49.160 and um, I'm looking forward to seeing where I don't 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:52.240 know what my study is and like reflection on that 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:56.280 take me policy wise and just like personally, it's like 0:03:56.320 --> 0:04:00.960 peeling back an onion way, Yeah, turned it all over 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:04.200 all the stones. You know, It's like I don't I'm 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:11.880 not quite sure what the like just regular Liberian like 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:16.039 holiday or festivity is, or even if it even as 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:18.839 a holiday. It's just Thanksgiving has always been something that 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:26.320 we've celebrated, but never really like the we never really 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:30.600 paid any emphasis to like the I guess story of Thanksgiving. 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:32.640 It's always just been kind of an excuse and in 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:36.839 my household was right family to get together exactly exactly 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:39.039 exactly to give it and to give thanks and to 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:41.599 do all that sort of thing. But I don't know 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:45.520 that the whole you know, Pilgrims and Indians and the turkey, 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:49.000 and it was that was less of an important thing 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:51.640 and or less of a thing when I was growing up. 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:55.440 And then I do remember, like, you know, being a 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:58.960 kid in the Iced Tea albums, there were a couple 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:01.680 of Iced Tea albums where he makes like an explicit 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:06.720 reference to Thanksgiving and how he doesn't celebrate it because 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:09.599 black people were in chains when they created it and 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:12.360 ship and that always stuck with me in the back 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:14.159 of my head when I was a kid and just 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:17.280 growing up, So like I just always had that sort 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:21.039 of feeling that there's something wasn't right about Thanksgiving, so 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:23.360 that by the time I got old enough to you know, 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:27.200 learn learn the things, it wasn't really like a shock 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:28.640 to me. It was more like, yeah, I knew this 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:32.400 holiday was some bullshit. Yeah, taking turkey was good though. Yeah, 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:36.840 speaking of like shocking things, UM in sort of considering 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:44.160 what like UM returned to, like Native American stewardship or 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:48.160 like incorporation of their practices and like knowledges into governance, 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:49.920 looks like I've been learning a lot about the people 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:52.120 who used to live in the lands that we now 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:56.039 called Athens, Georgia, where I live. And it turns out 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:59.080 that the Muskogee Creek people who have since relocated to 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:04.520 Arkansas were a slave owning tribe, were slave owning and Asian. 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:08.560 So yeah, they actually, um, they actually owned slaves or 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:13.159 like you know, had people that were um yeah, captives 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:16.920 that they forced to work. Um, And so either like 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:20.320 a warrior based thing or where they like chattel slavey 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:22.919 ote um. This is something we should perhaps do a 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:25.240 future episode on because I'm still learning more about what 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:29.320 that meant, because I imagine with their different conception of 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:34.760 property than you know, the eurocentric white supremacist framing of 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:37.480 what property rights are. But it's probably a little bit 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:40.680 different than like chattel slavery as we have generally learned 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:43.800 about or conceive of it. I just thought about, like 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:49.760 you said, like okay, so it's just okay, So whenever anyone, 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:52.600 you know, when you're having like these conversations, right, and 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:56.200 obviously it's always you gotta have the caveat of you know, 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:58.480 I guess looking at things in the past with the 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:02.200 lens of today and that sort of ship. But like whatever, 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:05.799 like motherfucker's you're talking about, Like like if you're talking 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:10.400 with somebody who is maybe like a conservative or or 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:13.040 Republican or racist or whatever, and they're like, oh, well, 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:16.640 you know, this group of people had slaves too, and 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:18.960 that group of people had slaves too. And it's like 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:23.440 the explanation that you give when you're arguing with these 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:27.120 people is it's like, yeah, but it's not like it's 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:30.280 wrong when that person did it, because you know, it 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:32.760 wasn't race based and ship and then like you stopped 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:34.960 for a second, you think it's like, damn, but it 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:38.720 was slavery. It was slavery and it was very wrong 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:41.000 that they did that. And so what does that mean 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:44.040 for like when we talk about reparations we talked about 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:47.280 when there's you know, increasing discussion of reparations for both 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:51.840 Indigenous and African descendants of slaves. But like, you know, 0:07:52.160 --> 0:07:55.040 so it you know, that knowledge of that history, it 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:58.200 does complicate those conversations and a way that I do 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:01.440 hope that folks can like productive work through, because yeah, 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:05.280 we gotta you know, we're never gonna well, I don't 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:07.920 want think never, it's not it's not something that's gonna 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:12.200 get resolved you know shortly. Well, part of the whole 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:15.760 you know, I think part of the most important step 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:20.920 to the project of reparations, I guess would be having 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:23.880 as many people be informed of the past. Does it 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:27.320 really happen? Yeah, you know what I mean, so that 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:31.280 you can get that sort of you know, just general 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:37.120 social understanding that you know, these wrongs are committed, need 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:39.160 to be righted, and all that sort of stuff. You'd 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:41.760 be shocked at how many people will that. You probably 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:46.280 wouldn't be shocked. You're and educator. Motherfucker's don't know a 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:51.360 lot of stuff like like the you know what the 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:53.679 Jimmy Kimmel does the thing where they ask people the 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:59.800 questions and ship. Yeah, like that's that's just like indicative 0:08:59.800 --> 0:09:03.000 of lot more than we would want to would want 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:06.640 to think. Yeah, Unfortunately, I'm supposed to be going on 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:10.480 in the news today. I got a couple of stories 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:14.199 pulled up. You got anything? Um, I'm excited to talk 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:18.760 about the things that you, um, you pulled Yeah, things 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:20.760 that have also been on my mind. But yeah, what's 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:25.360 on yours? Okay? Well, going from the most important to 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:27.520 the least important, I guess, so the two things I 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:33.560 got So there has been a new kid on the 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:40.160 block in terms of COVID strains. The how do you 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:44.040 pronounce O Macron. I feel like I gotta say, I 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:47.400 don't know, I just do it in a robot. Yeah, 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:51.400 the new Adventurous movie the O Macron strain that the 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:56.120 white man is saying started in South now know that, Yeah, 0:09:56.280 --> 0:10:00.240 this is such fuckery and ridiculousness. Then then out of 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:04.160 confirmation that it originated in Europe or it was in 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:08.040 Europe way before they realized they was just identified in 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:12.120 South Africa and South the whole of the South African 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:14.959 portion of the continent had to suffer as a result, 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:22.080 um diaction. Unsurprising, but why I'm surprised that they didn't 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:25.600 like just straight up try some ship like that from 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:28.600 the very beginning, Like yeah, they were probably like jumping 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:31.840 and waving their hands and waving flags and smoke sigles. Like, bro, 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:35.000 we're not saying it came from here. We're just the 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:37.160 fucking as well. As I had mentioned in our interview 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:40.679 to this coming up, we're just the best epidemiologists in 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:45.360 the world because of the HIV AIDS epidemic. Um like, 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:47.480 we just happened to have found this first because we're 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:52.080 sucking sick with it with our scientific skills. But no, 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:58.760 and literally often but nah, man. Yeah, I mean I 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:03.360 feel like the like Western media was, it was always 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:06.800 eager to jump on. You know, it's funny that Trump 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:09.760 got so bland basket for that like ship whole country comment. 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:12.320 He was just saying, well, a lot of people were thinking, 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:16.520 you know what I means, excuse me? You know what 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:20.960 I mean, like in policy like policymaking, they might not 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:24.080 say it out loud, but it's like indicating a similar 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:28.959 orientation towards this whole fucking continent. Yeah. I think I 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:32.240 think that's like the that is like the brand of 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:35.439 the Republicans. Now you heard about that ship with Lauren 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:40.040 Bobert and the is homophobic. Yeah, so yeah, I mean 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:42.480 it's like ship like that, Like it doesn't matter what 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:45.960 punishment that they do to her or whatever as far 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:52.320 as in the RAI because ters and they're like, oh, 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:55.760 the Liberals are trying to silence me. Can you give 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:59.120 five dollars today? If you if you watch that tape, 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:02.120 like people in the room, we're laughing, you know what 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:04.840 I'm saying. And first it was like nervously so, but 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:07.440 then once they look around, it's like oh yeah, no, yeah, 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:10.200 we're all yeah, we're all pieces of ship. In here, Okay, 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:14.839 it's safe, and then the voters, her voters are with that. Ship. 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:18.040 Republican voters are with that. So you're absolutely right when 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:20.559 when Trump says something like ship the whole countries, it's 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:25.800 not some gasping thing like I can't believe he said that, because, 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:30.520 in honesty, fucking at least seventy billion people in America 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:36.120 think that way too. And what to me, um, conjurs, 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:38.720 is that if that's what they're willing to say in public, 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:41.640 what are they saying in private? Like it's deeply concerning, 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:44.160 Like that scares the ship out of me, Like I 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:48.559 didn't imagine what their private conversations are, Like, Uh, why 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:50.720 do you think Trump doesn't want them to get the records? 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:53.240 I know, I know, I know people think it's for 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:56.240 the January six ship, but I think it's more than that. 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:59.240 I think if they get the White House records of 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:04.559 the Trump years, more and words than the new two 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:10.520 Chains album. Yeah yeah, who dark Times, Dark Times? But 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:14.960 rays of Sunshine? What happened to Chris Plomo? Oh word? Okay, 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:18.200 so yeah that was the in the unimportant half, I 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:24.160 guess um. Chris Como was suspended indefinitely by CN for 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:27.520 trying to help his brother in the midst of his 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:33.400 sexual harassment allegations now, which I just feel like I'm 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:34.880 gonna keep it real with you, folks. I don't know 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:37.959 exactly how he helped his brother in doing this. He 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:41.560 like when he was getting like sources for news stories, 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:43.319 he was like letting his brother know, like yo, this 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:47.200 person and said this and it was out in sources. Yeah, yeah, 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:51.760 like about you and stuff like that. Yeah. And then 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:54.720 also the other way around, like coordinating I believe, like 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:58.880 spin like, hey, you like trying to like what we 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:00.960 knew what was going on, and the whole time to 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:04.959 be frank, because like he was covering for him, and 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:07.600 there's stuff that you would expect, you know what I'm saying, Like, 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:10.400 I mean, there was a natural like at least for me. 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:12.760 I mean I don't really watch Chris Homo or follow it, 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:15.880 but just knowing that their brothers and one a journalists 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:18.400 and one was a politician, for me, there's just like 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:21.200 you know, there's like a built in amount of corruption, 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:25.400 automatic corruption. So it's like for me, it's just like 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:28.440 a big Okay, dude's probably gonna help his brother show 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:31.160 for brother, and you know, seeing and knew that and 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:36.200 so what's happening. Probably should have suspended them immediately without malice. 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:38.320 But yeah, they probably should have at least taken him 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:43.240 off the air until taken them off. Yeah whatever. Anyway, 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:46.480 It's like, I mean, you could pick any journalists you want, 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:50.480 but like I know and Anderson Cooper's uh families, like 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:52.560 you know, they're they're they're rich and famous and ship 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:54.800 and it's like, yeah, if like something happened with Anderson 0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:59.320 Cooper's family, you would just expect that the dudes coverage 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:03.640 would now be compromise, even even if he's got the 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:05.640 integrity to be like, no, I'm not gonna help my family. 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:07.400 I'm not gonna blah blah. I'm gonna call it down 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:11.040 the middle. As the employer, you've got to make that 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:14.720 executive decision to be like all right, like why don't 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:18.000 you just let you sit back until this ship is done, 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:19.840 go collect your check, and we're just gonna take They 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:23.000 make the decision to hold these people accountable when they 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:26.880 get when they get caught, it's being put complicit in 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:29.360 the corruption by like this is probably going on. We're 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:33.200 not gonna say anything because you know, people love people 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:36.080 love this anchor, but that's expect it's probably going on. 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:38.320 I was like, what's the daisy. We got caught not 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:41.760 censoring them or not like holding them accountable, So now 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:43.560 we got to you to cover our own guts. Yeah. 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:47.160 But I mean even even with that though, I mean, 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:52.960 it's like that's outing sources and ship is not what 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:56.120 I'm talking What I'm talking about, I'm talking about more 0:15:56.320 --> 0:16:00.280 like underhanded ship, you know what I mean, Like give 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:03.560 favorable coverage or I'll cover the story in this way. 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:05.720 That's the sort of ship that I would expect. But 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:09.360 if motherfucker's is like yo, such as such as writing 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:12.120 this about you, yo, such and such as came to 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:14.480 the CNN office, is to drop it, Like if you're 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:17.160 out in the sources and ship, that's a step away 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:20.440 from mafia ship. Yeah, like you know what I mean, 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:23.120 if the Trump administration was doing that, I would be 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:26.080 all over them. So fun these dudes. But I did 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:28.120 call it a little way of sunshine because at least something, 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:32.280 at least there's some accountability because generally when there's just 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:36.640 media moufie, since nothing happens, no one should never be 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:40.600 able to get another journalism job. If that's the case. 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:43.640 Motherfucker's gonna start a sub stack and get a bunch 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:49.560 of subscribers who love his chiseled jaw. And yeah he's 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:56.200 gonna only fans, isn't ship Like yeah, okay, legit. I 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:59.600 would probably subscribe to that because it's not that it's 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:04.440 not you know. But yeah, now you shouldn't do journalism anymore. 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:06.720 All right, So what do we got going on today? 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:12.400 So we opened talking about omicron um and this continuing 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:15.399 crisis of public health that we are still facing, as 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:18.520 well as public policy and reaction to public health challenges, 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:22.440 you know, with the travel ban on South African countries, etcetera. 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:25.760 So I thought it was appropriate this week to speak 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:28.440 with a public health practitioner. So we're gonna talk a 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:30.840 little bit about what public health is, UM, how it 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:36.480 manifests in like practice, in local um, local contexts UM, 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:39.720 and a little bit of just like hip hop obviously 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:43.640 because you tune in a way, no reparations. So let's 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:46.640 get on into it. This is demontem. We'll be right 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:59.399 back with that after the job, all right. So today 0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:02.240 I I'm here with this Monte Dismute, host of a 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:04.800 Dope public health podcast, which I had the pleasure of 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:07.639 joining UM a couple of weeks ago this Monte. How 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:10.280 are you doing today? I'm doing great. I'm doing great. 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:12.680 How are you? I've been fabulous except for you know, 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:16.959 having a slight little code UM today. But UM, speaking 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:21.520 of you know, being sick, I feel like UM. With 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:24.280 the coronavirus pandemic, which I don't think I've a rona, 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:28.000 but you know, thinking about UM things like viruses and 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:30.440 things like that. You know, the pandemic has brought public 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:33.680 health into mainstream conversation in a way that I don't 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:37.280 think has ever been true before in our lifetimes. But still, 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:40.159 folks may have a limited scope of understanding about what 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:42.160 public health can mean. So I wondered if you could 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:44.479 tell us what public health is to you and describe 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:48.240 your own public health practice. Sure? Absolutely so, like to me, 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:50.840 like in a nutshell public health. The way I described 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:53.879 it to people is like, okay, well, just think about 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:56.840 you as an individual and all the things that make 0:18:56.960 --> 0:19:02.960 you you, so whether that be uh, your physical health, um, 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:07.440 your environment, all those things. So basically, so if we 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:09.520 start from an individual, then we go up in the 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:12.240 air like in the drone. Then we get to looking 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:14.880 at society as a whole. So, now it's hot, how 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:17.120 are all of these people doing? And how do these 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:21.840 behaviors dictate how we're moving throughout society? And do we 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:25.879 need to encourage certain things to help people make healthier 0:19:25.960 --> 0:19:29.639 decisions or or do we need to you know, you know, 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:33.840 encourage certain type of behavior. So, in a nutshell, basically 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:37.160 public health is just that overall, how are we doing 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:40.960 as a people? Yeah? So I think that gives us 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:44.560 a good h foundation for what public health can mean. 0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:46.600 But could you talk a little about your own practice 0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:49.480 as a public health practitioner? Sure? Absolutely, So what I 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:53.119 do um for a living in addition to my podcast 0:19:53.200 --> 0:19:57.520 as I oversee a program for youth ages eighteen two 0:19:57.840 --> 0:20:05.000 twenty one that age at a foster care So you're like, okay, um, 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:09.439 my program runs off of what we call five pillars 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:12.919 of stability. The organization that I work for is UH 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:16.280 Well Point Care Network UH formerly known as Saint A. 0:20:16.760 --> 0:20:22.160 So essentially our five pillars of stability are housing, education, employment, 0:20:22.920 --> 0:20:27.560 caring connections, and health. If all of those things are 0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:31.119 addressed with the youth that we serve, then they have 0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:35.639 a more optimal opportunity to live in healthier life and 0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:39.000 because they age out the faults or care system. UM. 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:43.080 You know, this program exists to allow folks to just 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:45.639 trying to level that playing field. So there's just certain 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:50.760 things like UM tuition UM scholarships that are available. That's 0:20:50.800 --> 0:20:54.000 something we call a Brighter Star scholarship. And folks can 0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:58.680 get UM five thou dollars towards their education, housing assistance 0:20:58.760 --> 0:21:01.760 up to three a month. So we are literally hearing 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:04.840 all of those different things, and the five pillars of 0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:09.960 stability pretty much mirror UM, you know, the World Health 0:21:10.040 --> 0:21:13.479 Organization Social Determinants of Health. Yeah, that's what I got 0:21:13.560 --> 0:21:16.280 thinking about UM when we talk about like a healthy future. 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:20.080 I think that particularly well for me and other folks 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:23.359 UM that have become who who have had their consciousness 0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:26.320 raised through last Summer's uprising, starting to think about and 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:28.280 and the pandemic as well, started to think about health 0:21:28.359 --> 0:21:30.679 in a in a broader way. Like you brought up 0:21:30.720 --> 0:21:33.840 housing and your housing, and we have heard the refrain 0:21:33.880 --> 0:21:35.520 a lot of housing is healthcare because you can't shelter 0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:36.920 in place if you don't have a place to go, 0:21:37.080 --> 0:21:39.560 and things like that. So I wonder, I wonder when 0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:42.160 you talk about a healthier future. Are you looking specifically 0:21:42.400 --> 0:21:46.040 at like physical health indices or or does that extend 0:21:46.119 --> 0:21:48.159 to like behavioral or is it a is it a 0:21:48.400 --> 0:21:50.920 absolutely even broader than that and thinking about just like 0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:54.880 health like healthier life outcomes in terms of self actualization. Yes, 0:21:55.000 --> 0:21:57.720 it's it's actually yes, the big picture of just healthier 0:21:57.800 --> 0:22:00.680 life outcomes and in that kind of like you know, 0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:05.560 you look at you know, sometimes we collaborate with other 0:22:05.800 --> 0:22:11.240 countries and we try to do things like alleviating UM diseases. 0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:13.720 So like, if you think about it, certain things that 0:22:13.840 --> 0:22:16.680 we have, um, you know that we're popular when we 0:22:16.800 --> 0:22:19.760 were younger are just no longer a thing due to 0:22:20.000 --> 0:22:24.320 the advances of medicine. So um. But then broadening that 0:22:24.440 --> 0:22:26.480 scope to make sure that okay, well can we make 0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:30.480 a healthier planet? So you know, but it's all broken 0:22:30.560 --> 0:22:33.080 down to you know who members in leadership in that 0:22:33.200 --> 0:22:37.359 particular location. Mm hmmm. And so what has your interaction 0:22:37.480 --> 0:22:40.000 been with I guess the leaders in your location around 0:22:40.080 --> 0:22:44.080 issues of public health. Do you find that, um, your 0:22:44.119 --> 0:22:47.560 representatives at the state of local level are being responsive 0:22:47.600 --> 0:22:51.080 to what your understanding and your UM what the needs 0:22:51.119 --> 0:22:53.399 that you've identified through your work about how we can 0:22:53.480 --> 0:22:57.560 approach public health both in like a physical health um understanding, 0:22:57.680 --> 0:23:02.520 but a broader understanding as well. Yeah so, and that's 0:23:02.520 --> 0:23:05.359 a great question. And I think I just so happened 0:23:05.400 --> 0:23:10.760 to be in the right place after you're you're in Milwaukee, correct, Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:23:11.080 --> 0:23:14.800 I'm located in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. And you know, so I 0:23:14.920 --> 0:23:17.879 collaborated the Department of Children and Families, which is more 0:23:18.000 --> 0:23:21.800 like a governmental issue, I mean entity, but you know, 0:23:21.880 --> 0:23:24.640 and that's how I'm able to to oversee my program. 0:23:25.160 --> 0:23:29.359 But then we have you know, county supervisor, you know, 0:23:29.480 --> 0:23:33.879 like David Crowley who yeah, yeah, so yeah, So I 0:23:33.960 --> 0:23:38.040 facilitated a public health panel back in August, and it 0:23:38.240 --> 0:23:41.040 was so cool having him on the panel because when 0:23:41.119 --> 0:23:46.560 he's talking, he literally within the first sixty seconds he 0:23:46.640 --> 0:23:50.920