1 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: You're listening to Winning on Reparations, a production of My 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. All right, yo, alright, this is how we 3 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: do things. COVID gotta do strain must got the Delpha 4 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: back loops sort of like two chains. It will make 5 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 1: your mood change. Billionaires of place in best gamble with 6 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:21,600 Speaker 1: the system, gut everybody placed in debt, vote against the interest, 7 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: get a great regret. Now they're going after oh Ma, 8 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: and they're making threats. That's a no, no, we can't 9 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: forget Chris Quobo helping his brother out pro bo. No. 10 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: So understand when you see in my face, it's like 11 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: the trouble on the speaker, see Evaperate when it comes 12 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,319 Speaker 1: to Rob Muffucker. Seeing op Grate make white boys say, 13 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: why I gotta be about race? He happening? What's popping? 14 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: My good people? What my name's dope? Night and we 15 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: are waiting on reparations. We are back. I had to 16 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: take a little little load off for Thanksgiving. How was 17 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: your Thanksgiving? Happy thanks Giving? Happy Thanksgiving? Happy belated thanks Giving? Um, 18 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: it was it was good. It was RESTful. I went 19 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: up to my aunt's house. M My family lives on 20 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: this compound in the middle of nowhere in North Carolina 21 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: to my auntie's house. My other auntie lives on the 22 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: other side of my grandma. Other auntie and cousin live 23 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,839 Speaker 1: right down the street. And so UM went out there 24 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: held some babies. UM got very full, UM, and very high. UM. 25 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: And it's it was interesting to me. This is the 26 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: first These are the first years in which I'm reflecting 27 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: on how fucked up of a holiday. Thanksgiving it like deep, 28 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 1: you know, deeply and big graining awareness about like the 29 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:43,119 Speaker 1: the new observance of the National Day of Mourning for 30 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 1: Indigenous folks on that day. UM, and my family is 31 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: actually Afro Indigenous. Um, I've known my whole life, but 32 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: have not really like researched or or at all attempted 33 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: to learn about our customs or heritage or history. And 34 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: so with the passage of a Gigenous People's Day as 35 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: the first Monday in October, I guess, you know Columbus 36 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: Day earlier this year, I started thinking about, Um, just 37 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: like Indigenous life ways and knowledge and how that could 38 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: be incorporated into you know, policymaking, but also just like 39 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: what does it mean to try to recover your lost 40 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: heritage that it has been erased? UM. And so I 41 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 1: sometimes on Wikipedia, uh, just reading about our tribe, the 42 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: hallowel Sa pony tribe that my family still lives on, 43 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 1: like the tribal lands. UM. And yeah, I learned a 44 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: lot of interesting history. For example, under Jim Crow, Indigenous 45 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: people were treated the same as black people, disenfranchised from voting, 46 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: harassed and terrorized in all these ways. UM, there's this 47 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,519 Speaker 1: resistance for for the indigenous folks. They wanted I guess 48 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: we we wanted our own schools, We wanted separate stuff 49 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: from black people because we didn't want to get lumped 50 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: in with black people because black people were treated like shit. 51 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: But even down to like the the birth certificate records 52 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: and things like that, UM, in this area, like you 53 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: were either black or white. They didn't even have like 54 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: a checkbox for if you were Native American. And so 55 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: like all these ways that you know, I just assumed 56 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: I grew up and they just didn't teach me my history. 57 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:17,399 Speaker 1: But before that, there's like very systematic erasure of UM 58 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: our all of our past. Like you couldn't even yeah, 59 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,959 Speaker 1: you couldn't even check the box to say I am 60 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 1: a Native American on a lot of official documents, UM, 61 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 1: which is partially why you know, I grew up thinking 62 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: myself black, and I am black. I'm very black, proud 63 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: of my black heritage. But like you know, the the 64 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: Indians ship got like just totally bulldozed since you rolled 65 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: generations before I even came along. So anyway, that was 66 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: a day of reflection on all that stuff for me, 67 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: and um, I'm looking forward to seeing where I don't 68 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: know what my study is and like reflection on that 69 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: take me policy wise and just like personally, it's like 70 00:03:56,320 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: peeling back an onion way, Yeah, turned it all over 71 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: all the stones. You know, It's like I don't I'm 72 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: not quite sure what the like just regular Liberian like 73 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:16,039 Speaker 1: holiday or festivity is, or even if it even as 74 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 1: a holiday. It's just Thanksgiving has always been something that 75 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: we've celebrated, but never really like the we never really 76 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 1: paid any emphasis to like the I guess story of Thanksgiving. 77 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: It's always just been kind of an excuse and in 78 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 1: my household was right family to get together exactly exactly 79 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 1: exactly to give it and to give thanks and to 80 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 1: do all that sort of thing. But I don't know 81 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: that the whole you know, Pilgrims and Indians and the turkey, 82 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: and it was that was less of an important thing 83 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: and or less of a thing when I was growing up. 84 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: And then I do remember, like, you know, being a 85 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: kid in the Iced Tea albums, there were a couple 86 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: of Iced Tea albums where he makes like an explicit 87 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 1: reference to Thanksgiving and how he doesn't celebrate it because 88 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 1: black people were in chains when they created it and 89 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: ship and that always stuck with me in the back 90 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 1: of my head when I was a kid and just 91 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: growing up, So like I just always had that sort 92 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 1: of feeling that there's something wasn't right about Thanksgiving, so 93 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: that by the time I got old enough to you know, 94 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: learn learn the things, it wasn't really like a shock 95 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: to me. It was more like, yeah, I knew this 96 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: holiday was some bullshit. Yeah, taking turkey was good though. Yeah, 97 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 1: speaking of like shocking things, UM in sort of considering 98 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 1: what like UM returned to, like Native American stewardship or 99 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 1: like incorporation of their practices and like knowledges into governance, 100 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: looks like I've been learning a lot about the people 101 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: who used to live in the lands that we now 102 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 1: called Athens, Georgia, where I live. And it turns out 103 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: that the Muskogee Creek people who have since relocated to 104 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: Arkansas were a slave owning tribe, were slave owning and Asian. 105 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: So yeah, they actually, um, they actually owned slaves or 106 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 1: like you know, had people that were um yeah, captives 107 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: that they forced to work. Um, And so either like 108 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: a warrior based thing or where they like chattel slavey 109 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:22,919 Speaker 1: ote um. This is something we should perhaps do a 110 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: future episode on because I'm still learning more about what 111 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: that meant, because I imagine with their different conception of 112 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: property than you know, the eurocentric white supremacist framing of 113 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: what property rights are. But it's probably a little bit 114 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: different than like chattel slavery as we have generally learned 115 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: about or conceive of it. I just thought about, like 116 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: you said, like okay, so it's just okay, So whenever anyone, 117 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 1: you know, when you're having like these conversations, right, and 118 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: obviously it's always you gotta have the caveat of you know, 119 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 1: I guess looking at things in the past with the 120 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: lens of today and that sort of ship. But like whatever, 121 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,799 Speaker 1: like motherfucker's you're talking about, Like like if you're talking 122 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: with somebody who is maybe like a conservative or or 123 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: Republican or racist or whatever, and they're like, oh, well, 124 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: you know, this group of people had slaves too, and 125 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: that group of people had slaves too. And it's like 126 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: the explanation that you give when you're arguing with these 127 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: people is it's like, yeah, but it's not like it's 128 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: wrong when that person did it, because you know, it 129 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: wasn't race based and ship and then like you stopped 130 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: for a second, you think it's like, damn, but it 131 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: was slavery. It was slavery and it was very wrong 132 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: that they did that. And so what does that mean 133 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: for like when we talk about reparations we talked about 134 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: when there's you know, increasing discussion of reparations for both 135 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: Indigenous and African descendants of slaves. But like, you know, 136 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: so it you know, that knowledge of that history, it 137 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: does complicate those conversations and a way that I do 138 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: hope that folks can like productive work through, because yeah, 139 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: we gotta you know, we're never gonna well, I don't 140 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: want think never, it's not it's not something that's gonna 141 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: get resolved you know shortly. Well, part of the whole 142 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: you know, I think part of the most important step 143 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: to the project of reparations, I guess would be having 144 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: as many people be informed of the past. Does it 145 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: really happen? Yeah, you know what I mean, so that 146 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: you can get that sort of you know, just general 147 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: social understanding that you know, these wrongs are committed, need 148 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: to be righted, and all that sort of stuff. You'd 149 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: be shocked at how many people will that. You probably 150 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: wouldn't be shocked. You're and educator. Motherfucker's don't know a 151 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: lot of stuff like like the you know what the 152 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 1: Jimmy Kimmel does the thing where they ask people the 153 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: questions and ship. Yeah, like that's that's just like indicative 154 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: of lot more than we would want to would want 155 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: to think. Yeah, Unfortunately, I'm supposed to be going on 156 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: in the news today. I got a couple of stories 157 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:14,199 Speaker 1: pulled up. You got anything? Um, I'm excited to talk 158 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: about the things that you, um, you pulled Yeah, things 159 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: that have also been on my mind. But yeah, what's 160 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: on yours? Okay? Well, going from the most important to 161 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: the least important, I guess, so the two things I 162 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: got So there has been a new kid on the 163 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: block in terms of COVID strains. The how do you 164 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: pronounce O Macron. I feel like I gotta say, I 165 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: don't know, I just do it in a robot. Yeah, 166 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: the new Adventurous movie the O Macron strain that the 167 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: white man is saying started in South now know that, Yeah, 168 00:09:56,280 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: this is such fuckery and ridiculousness. Then then out of 169 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: confirmation that it originated in Europe or it was in 170 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: Europe way before they realized they was just identified in 171 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: South Africa and South the whole of the South African 172 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,959 Speaker 1: portion of the continent had to suffer as a result, 173 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: um diaction. Unsurprising, but why I'm surprised that they didn't 174 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: like just straight up try some ship like that from 175 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: the very beginning, Like yeah, they were probably like jumping 176 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: and waving their hands and waving flags and smoke sigles. Like, bro, 177 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: we're not saying it came from here. We're just the 178 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: fucking as well. As I had mentioned in our interview 179 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 1: to this coming up, we're just the best epidemiologists in 180 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: the world because of the HIV AIDS epidemic. Um like, 181 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: we just happened to have found this first because we're 182 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: sucking sick with it with our scientific skills. But no, 183 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: and literally often but nah, man. Yeah, I mean I 184 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: feel like the like Western media was, it was always 185 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: eager to jump on. You know, it's funny that Trump 186 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: got so bland basket for that like ship whole country comment. 187 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 1: He was just saying, well, a lot of people were thinking, 188 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: you know what I means, excuse me? You know what 189 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: I mean, like in policy like policymaking, they might not 190 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: say it out loud, but it's like indicating a similar 191 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,959 Speaker 1: orientation towards this whole fucking continent. Yeah. I think I 192 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: think that's like the that is like the brand of 193 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 1: the Republicans. Now you heard about that ship with Lauren 194 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: Bobert and the is homophobic. Yeah, so yeah, I mean 195 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: it's like ship like that, Like it doesn't matter what 196 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: punishment that they do to her or whatever as far 197 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: as in the RAI because ters and they're like, oh, 198 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: the Liberals are trying to silence me. Can you give 199 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: five dollars today? If you if you watch that tape, 200 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: like people in the room, we're laughing, you know what 201 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: I'm saying. And first it was like nervously so, but 202 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: then once they look around, it's like oh yeah, no, yeah, 203 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: we're all yeah, we're all pieces of ship. In here, Okay, 204 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:14,839 Speaker 1: it's safe, and then the voters, her voters are with that. Ship. 205 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: Republican voters are with that. So you're absolutely right when 206 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 1: when Trump says something like ship the whole countries, it's 207 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: not some gasping thing like I can't believe he said that, because, 208 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: in honesty, fucking at least seventy billion people in America 209 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: think that way too. And what to me, um, conjurs, 210 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: is that if that's what they're willing to say in public, 211 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: what are they saying in private? Like it's deeply concerning, 212 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: Like that scares the ship out of me, Like I 213 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:48,559 Speaker 1: didn't imagine what their private conversations are, Like, Uh, why 214 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: do you think Trump doesn't want them to get the records? 215 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know people think it's for 216 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: the January six ship, but I think it's more than that. 217 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: I think if they get the White House records of 218 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:04,559 Speaker 1: the Trump years, more and words than the new two 219 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: Chains album. Yeah yeah, who dark Times, Dark Times? But 220 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: rays of Sunshine? What happened to Chris Plomo? Oh word? Okay, 221 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: so yeah that was the in the unimportant half, I 222 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: guess um. Chris Como was suspended indefinitely by CN for 223 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: trying to help his brother in the midst of his 224 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: sexual harassment allegations now, which I just feel like I'm 225 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: gonna keep it real with you, folks. I don't know 226 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,959 Speaker 1: exactly how he helped his brother in doing this. He 227 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: like when he was getting like sources for news stories, 228 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,319 Speaker 1: he was like letting his brother know, like yo, this 229 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 1: person and said this and it was out in sources. Yeah, yeah, 230 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: like about you and stuff like that. Yeah. And then 231 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: also the other way around, like coordinating I believe, like 232 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: spin like, hey, you like trying to like what we 233 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: knew what was going on, and the whole time to 234 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 1: be frank, because like he was covering for him, and 235 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: there's stuff that you would expect, you know what I'm saying, Like, 236 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: I mean, there was a natural like at least for me. 237 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: I mean I don't really watch Chris Homo or follow it, 238 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: but just knowing that their brothers and one a journalists 239 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: and one was a politician, for me, there's just like 240 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: you know, there's like a built in amount of corruption, 241 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: automatic corruption. So it's like for me, it's just like 242 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: a big Okay, dude's probably gonna help his brother show 243 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: for brother, and you know, seeing and knew that and 244 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: so what's happening. Probably should have suspended them immediately without malice. 245 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: But yeah, they probably should have at least taken him 246 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: off the air until taken them off. Yeah whatever. Anyway, 247 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: It's like, I mean, you could pick any journalists you want, 248 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: but like I know and Anderson Cooper's uh families, like 249 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: you know, they're they're they're rich and famous and ship 250 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, if like something happened with Anderson 251 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: Cooper's family, you would just expect that the dudes coverage 252 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: would now be compromise, even even if he's got the 253 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: integrity to be like, no, I'm not gonna help my family. 254 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna blah blah. I'm gonna call it down 255 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: the middle. As the employer, you've got to make that 256 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: executive decision to be like all right, like why don't 257 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: you just let you sit back until this ship is done, 258 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: go collect your check, and we're just gonna take They 259 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: make the decision to hold these people accountable when they 260 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: get when they get caught, it's being put complicit in 261 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: the corruption by like this is probably going on. We're 262 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: not gonna say anything because you know, people love people 263 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: love this anchor, but that's expect it's probably going on. 264 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: I was like, what's the daisy. We got caught not 265 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: censoring them or not like holding them accountable, So now 266 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: we got to you to cover our own guts. Yeah. 267 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: But I mean even even with that though, I mean, 268 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: it's like that's outing sources and ship is not what 269 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: I'm talking What I'm talking about, I'm talking about more 270 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: like underhanded ship, you know what I mean, Like give 271 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: favorable coverage or I'll cover the story in this way. 272 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: That's the sort of ship that I would expect. But 273 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: if motherfucker's is like yo, such as such as writing 274 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: this about you, yo, such and such as came to 275 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: the CNN office, is to drop it, Like if you're 276 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: out in the sources and ship, that's a step away 277 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: from mafia ship. Yeah, like you know what I mean, 278 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: if the Trump administration was doing that, I would be 279 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: all over them. So fun these dudes. But I did 280 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: call it a little way of sunshine because at least something, 281 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: at least there's some accountability because generally when there's just 282 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: media moufie, since nothing happens, no one should never be 283 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: able to get another journalism job. If that's the case. 284 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: Motherfucker's gonna start a sub stack and get a bunch 285 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: of subscribers who love his chiseled jaw. And yeah he's 286 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: gonna only fans, isn't ship Like yeah, okay, legit. I 287 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: would probably subscribe to that because it's not that it's 288 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 1: not you know. But yeah, now you shouldn't do journalism anymore. 289 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: All right, So what do we got going on today? 290 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:12,400 Speaker 1: So we opened talking about omicron um and this continuing 291 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 1: crisis of public health that we are still facing, as 292 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: well as public policy and reaction to public health challenges, 293 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: you know, with the travel ban on South African countries, etcetera. 294 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: So I thought it was appropriate this week to speak 295 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 1: with a public health practitioner. So we're gonna talk a 296 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: little bit about what public health is, UM, how it 297 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: manifests in like practice, in local um, local contexts UM, 298 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: and a little bit of just like hip hop obviously 299 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 1: because you tune in a way, no reparations. So let's 300 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 1: get on into it. This is demontem. We'll be right 301 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 1: back with that after the job, all right. So today 302 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: I I'm here with this Monte Dismute, host of a 303 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: Dope public health podcast, which I had the pleasure of 304 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 1: joining UM a couple of weeks ago this Monte. How 305 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: are you doing today? I'm doing great. I'm doing great. 306 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 1: How are you? I've been fabulous except for you know, 307 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:16,959 Speaker 1: having a slight little code UM today. But UM, speaking 308 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: of you know, being sick, I feel like UM. With 309 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: the coronavirus pandemic, which I don't think I've a rona, 310 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: but you know, thinking about UM things like viruses and 311 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 1: things like that. You know, the pandemic has brought public 312 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 1: health into mainstream conversation in a way that I don't 313 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: think has ever been true before in our lifetimes. But still, 314 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 1: folks may have a limited scope of understanding about what 315 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 1: public health can mean. So I wondered if you could 316 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:44,479 Speaker 1: tell us what public health is to you and describe 317 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: your own public health practice. Sure? Absolutely so, like to me, 318 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: like in a nutshell public health. The way I described 319 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 1: it to people is like, okay, well, just think about 320 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: you as an individual and all the things that make 321 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: you you, so whether that be uh, your physical health, um, 322 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: your environment, all those things. So basically, so if we 323 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: start from an individual, then we go up in the 324 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: air like in the drone. Then we get to looking 325 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 1: at society as a whole. So, now it's hot, how 326 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 1: are all of these people doing? And how do these 327 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: behaviors dictate how we're moving throughout society? And do we 328 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 1: need to encourage certain things to help people make healthier 329 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: decisions or or do we need to you know, you know, 330 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: encourage certain type of behavior. So, in a nutshell, basically 331 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 1: public health is just that overall, how are we doing 332 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: as a people? Yeah? So I think that gives us 333 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: a good h foundation for what public health can mean. 334 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: But could you talk a little about your own practice 335 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: as a public health practitioner? Sure? Absolutely, So what I 336 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 1: do um for a living in addition to my podcast 337 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 1: as I oversee a program for youth ages eighteen two 338 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: twenty one that age at a foster care So you're like, okay, um, 339 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 1: my program runs off of what we call five pillars 340 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 1: of stability. The organization that I work for is UH 341 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: Well Point Care Network UH formerly known as Saint A. 342 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:22,160 Speaker 1: So essentially our five pillars of stability are housing, education, employment, 343 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: caring connections, and health. If all of those things are 344 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 1: addressed with the youth that we serve, then they have 345 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: a more optimal opportunity to live in healthier life and 346 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: because they age out the faults or care system. UM. 347 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: You know, this program exists to allow folks to just 348 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 1: trying to level that playing field. So there's just certain 349 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: things like UM tuition UM scholarships that are available. That's 350 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: something we call a Brighter Star scholarship. And folks can 351 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: get UM five thou dollars towards their education, housing assistance 352 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: up to three a month. So we are literally hearing 353 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: all of those different things, and the five pillars of 354 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: stability pretty much mirror UM, you know, the World Health 355 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,479 Speaker 1: Organization Social Determinants of Health. Yeah, that's what I got 356 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: thinking about UM when we talk about like a healthy future. 357 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: I think that particularly well for me and other folks 358 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 1: UM that have become who who have had their consciousness 359 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: raised through last Summer's uprising, starting to think about and 360 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: and the pandemic as well, started to think about health 361 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 1: in a in a broader way. Like you brought up 362 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: housing and your housing, and we have heard the refrain 363 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: a lot of housing is healthcare because you can't shelter 364 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 1: in place if you don't have a place to go, 365 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: and things like that. So I wonder, I wonder when 366 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 1: you talk about a healthier future. Are you looking specifically 367 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: at like physical health indices or or does that extend 368 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 1: to like behavioral or is it a is it a 369 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 1: absolutely even broader than that and thinking about just like 370 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 1: health like healthier life outcomes in terms of self actualization. Yes, 371 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: it's it's actually yes, the big picture of just healthier 372 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 1: life outcomes and in that kind of like you know, 373 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: you look at you know, sometimes we collaborate with other 374 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: countries and we try to do things like alleviating UM diseases. 375 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: So like, if you think about it, certain things that 376 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 1: we have, um, you know that we're popular when we 377 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: were younger are just no longer a thing due to 378 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: the advances of medicine. So um. But then broadening that 379 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: scope to make sure that okay, well can we make 380 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: a healthier planet? So you know, but it's all broken 381 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: down to you know who members in leadership in that 382 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 1: particular location. Mm hmmm. And so what has your interaction 383 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: been with I guess the leaders in your location around 384 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: issues of public health. Do you find that, um, your 385 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: representatives at the state of local level are being responsive 386 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: to what your understanding and your UM what the needs 387 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 1: that you've identified through your work about how we can 388 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: approach public health both in like a physical health um understanding, 389 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: but a broader understanding as well. Yeah so, and that's 390 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 1: a great question. And I think I just so happened 391 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: to be in the right place after you're you're in Milwaukee, correct, Yeah, yeah, yeah, 392 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: I'm located in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. And you know, so I 393 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 1: collaborated the Department of Children and Families, which is more 394 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: like a governmental issue, I mean entity, but you know, 395 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 1: and that's how I'm able to to oversee my program. 396 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: But then we have you know, county supervisor, you know, 397 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 1: like David Crowley who yeah, yeah, so yeah, So I 398 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: facilitated a public health panel back in August, and it 399 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: was so cool having him on the panel because when 400 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: he's talking, he literally within the first sixty seconds he 401 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 1: mentioned social determinants health. So having amazing leaders like him 402 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: um leading the charge, I feel like I'm in the 403 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 1: right place at the right time because he hears what, 404 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: you know, what what's needed in the community. That's good 405 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: to hear because as in my role wasn't elected official 406 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 1: here on the local level. When I bring up as 407 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: we spoke about on your podcast, I believe the fact 408 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 1: that like the c DC is now identified gun violence 409 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 1: as a as a public health UH crisis, a public 410 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: health issue, or when I bring up UM, you know, 411 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 1: youth development then as an avenue to improve UM public 412 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: health outcomes by ending gun violence. So some of my 413 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: peers is particularly like older folks prep more moderate folks. 414 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: It's it can sound like, well, you're just twisting UM, 415 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: you know, science or whatever to like to match your beliefs, 416 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: when really it sounds like like in the world of 417 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: public health as well, you know, as I understand it 418 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: as someone that doesn't practice but does interpret UM public 419 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: health understandings and findings to inform my work. UM, this 420 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: is actually more like you know, the state of the 421 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 1: state of UM the field at this point of understand 422 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 1: looking at these social determinants of health and so UM 423 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 1: we definitely as a country and then many localities have 424 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: face struggles with mashing what we understand from science and 425 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: what we understand from experts to our actual UM practice 426 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: as in governance. It's all I'm happy to hear that UM, 427 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: in your setting, you found UM a lot of help, 428 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: a lot of UM positive interactions with the folks that 429 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,959 Speaker 1: are making those decisions for the community. Yeah, and I mean, 430 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: and we have an uphill battle. I mean, and I'm 431 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: doing everything that I can, so I want to which 432 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: is why I wanted to start my podcast, but it's 433 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 1: also to Um, you know, there's a lot of different 434 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: things going on in for example, in the city of Milwaukee, 435 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: that we need to address these things on the public 436 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: health level. And like you know, I'm sure you've heard, 437 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 1: you know, with your practice, Like there's this push not 438 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: in just wiscontent, but throughout the country evidence based policy. 439 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, like you said, folks can 440 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 1: say you're twisting it, but if you look at the 441 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 1: data and look at the research, it's it's evidence based. Yeah, 442 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: And it's so hard to get people, it's surprisingly difficult 443 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: to get people to like consider evidence based practices. Like 444 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: there's so many, so many practices that are just um 445 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: ingrained in us, either the media or just what we 446 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: grew up with. And so that's what you know, what 447 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,959 Speaker 1: we expect and what we put push forward, this continuation 448 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 1: of stuff that just like doesn't have any sort of 449 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: scientific backing. Um. I definitely, I think I think it's 450 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: true of many many kinds of government, both local and 451 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 1: even at the federal level. UM. That people really struggle, 452 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 1: you know, even even you know democrats sometimes say like, oh, 453 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,120 Speaker 1: we believe in science, but like what science, like y'all 454 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 1: you know, and how is that actually impacting um, the 455 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: decisions you make UM at times not not everybody is 456 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 1: always like up with it or just like you know, 457 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: engaging with like the data and like wow. And that's 458 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: such a great point because when you think about, you know, 459 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: the last roughly two years now was what we've been 460 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: going through with this pandemic, you can so different governments 461 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: are making different decisions in regards to you know, lockdown 462 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: and this or that, and when you look at it 463 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 1: from a public health lends, it's like those leaders are 464 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: making decisions based on evidence as opposed to based on 465 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,239 Speaker 1: emotion on economy. And it's really interesting when you can 466 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 1: just take a step back and look, oh, wow, they 467 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: made that decision and they were able to you know, 468 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 1: alleviate this, you know, the severity of the virus in 469 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: that area versus this group is really like, well, to 470 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 1: hell with it, We're gonna do our things. So it's 471 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: just very very interesting, and that that's literally all public 472 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: health because we're trying to push towards you know, a 473 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: healthier community so we can all truly go back outside. Yeah, 474 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 1: and so this actually makes me think of like what's 475 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: going on right now with like the omicron Um coronavirus 476 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: that been posed this this lockdown, this travel band from 477 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: all these South African countries, despite the fact that the 478 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 1: variants been found in Israel and Belgium and Ireland and 479 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 1: many uh, white Western countries. And so in the name 480 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: of public health, you know, we're making we're making decisions 481 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 1: that perhaps aren't actually are actually more informed by emotion 482 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:22,479 Speaker 1: or even some racial animists more so than um facts 483 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 1: about like you know, what is actually a threat to 484 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 1: to the health of our communities at times? Absolutely, and 485 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: you know, like like you know, the information that I've 486 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: been able to get my hands on this far, it's 487 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: so new that it's just like well, everybody's learning and 488 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: you know, but some of the things that like this 489 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: the scientists are saying already is just that this probably 490 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: is everywhere already and now we've identified it, right, it 491 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: was identified in South Africa because they have the best 492 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: epidemiologists in the world, because of the AIDS in HIV epidemic, 493 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: it's my understanding, and so they were able to track 494 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: it down even though it's probably everywhere already. Yeah, and 495 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: it's just like you said, it's it's some people are 496 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: making decisions based on emotion, others are making it based 497 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: on science. Yeah. We talked a lot about I'm sorry, 498 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: go for it. And the last thing I'll add it 499 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: is like when you think about certain things, it's just 500 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: it makes you kind of think like, well, there's a 501 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: lot of other things that we're deciding and we're you know, 502 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: doing because of our personal interests as well. So it's like, yeah, 503 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 1: it's a it's a tough tough spot. Yeah, for sure. 504 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: We talked a lot about the science of public health, 505 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: but the World Health Organization also defines public health as 506 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 1: the art and science of preventing disease, prolonging life, and 507 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,719 Speaker 1: promoting health through the organized efforts of society. So um, 508 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: I have been increasingly, like you know, looking at the data, 509 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: looking at evidence based practices, trying to inform my governance 510 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: and policymaking. But I'm interested in this idea of public 511 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: health being in art. Do you see that in your 512 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: practice at all or your understanding of public health? And 513 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: if so, aware and how I see it as an 514 00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: art because I don't think that there's um, you know, 515 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: it's just so tough as far as perfection, Like, you know, 516 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 1: we could come to solutions a lot of different ways, 517 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: and like kind of having that artists background is like 518 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 1: just getting people to understand it's more like it's trying 519 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: to convey that information. And I just truly believe that 520 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: that that's that's an art form, you know, just trying 521 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: to inform and help, you know, shape and mold behaviors 522 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: with honesty and like, you know, truly with the people's 523 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: best interests. I think that that's in art form for sure. 524 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: I mean it makes sense to me that if a 525 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: part of the effort is promoting health, that then is 526 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: it is an act of communication, of communicating to people 527 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: you know, what will keep them healthy and will keep 528 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: them safe, which you know, language is an art form, 529 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: you know, communicating effectively is an art form um to 530 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: a certain extent. So that makes that makes a lot 531 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,959 Speaker 1: of sense to me. But I'm glad that we kind 532 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: of shifted to talking about the arts because you have 533 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: somewhat of an artistic background as well. Is that right? Absolutely? Yeah, 534 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 1: I talked us a little bit about that, so I 535 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: really am a student of and I even tell my kids, 536 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, I am the I'm part of the first 537 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: generation of hip hop. I wear that. I wear that proudly. UM. 538 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 1: And hip hop has influenced everything that I do. UM, 539 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 1: how I lead, how I um? You know, a fellowship. 540 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: It's it's all in this, you know, under this umbrella 541 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: of hip hop. And I just think about the power 542 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: of hip hop. You know, there are other entities and 543 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: organizations that have done some amazing things and creating social change, 544 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 1: but hip hop is up there as well. Yeah, So 545 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 1: talk to me about the role you see hip hop 546 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,719 Speaker 1: playing and making systemic change. Yeah. I think it's um. 547 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: Maybe because I was born into it, it seems like 548 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: it's always been there. I think what we're seeing lesson 549 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: less of is maybe folks in the mainstream talking about things. 550 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: But then we have you know, people like Kendrick Bamar 551 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: who are very you know, they're informing, as is J Cole. 552 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 1: And but I go back to like groups like Boogie 553 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: Dawn Productions because he's like cares one Common and you 554 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: know so many public enemy where they they have this um. 555 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: They were conveying the stories of their their neighborhood, which 556 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: basically is conveying the stories of the conditions in which 557 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: they live in. That's public health. That's public health all day. 558 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: So and I think that's where I think look at 559 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 1: it as an art form for sure. Yeah, there's that 560 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: consciousness raising aspect to it that I think is an 561 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: important precursor. Yeah, and I think, you know, I don't 562 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 1: think it's every artist's responsibility to do that, um, but 563 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 1: I always feel that there's always the right ones that 564 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 1: are doing it that can help. Galvani has changed, So 565 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 1: it just seems like it's just this responsibility that you know, 566 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 1: every ten plus years or so, MC's past that torch 567 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 1: and and it's always woven in within hip hop. Are 568 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 1: you talking about being born into hip hop, particularly being 569 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 1: in the first generation, because now we've had several you know, 570 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: there's there's um, you know, the second generation. I guess 571 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: probably on third or fourth at this point. Hip hops 572 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: around for what fifty years? Um, So what do you think? 573 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: So what to you does being born into hip hop 574 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 1: as like a first generation hip hoper mean? And what 575 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: was that for you? To me, it's everything because growing 576 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 1: up African American, like I don't, you know, I can 577 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: do the twenty three and me, and it says like, 578 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: oh wow, like you're thirty something present Nigerian. But it's like, 579 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: but I don't have that direct connection to my Nigerian 580 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 1: Andrew and Scestry, so like, and then I can look 581 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: at other folks and you can see, oh wow, that's um. 582 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: You can see that culture. Hip hop was the first 583 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: culture I was able to see and be a part of, 584 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: and it's actually mine, not one that was like that 585 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 1: we had to assimilate to. Mm hmm. Yeah, that's powerful. 586 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 1: That's powerful. Um. In watching successive generations who are themselves 587 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: also born into hip hop, but maybe taking it up 588 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,840 Speaker 1: in new ways, what has that been like for you? 589 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: I think it's been amazing because some of the things 590 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: that I've been saying with some of the younger artists 591 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 1: have been blowing my mind. And and I mean that 592 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,839 Speaker 1: in a great way. Um. And what I say by 593 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 1: that is um um. So for example, an artist like 594 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 1: Uh Corday or also when you think about um essence, 595 00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:00,840 Speaker 1: just Uh had like multiple covers Uh of Moan Biles 596 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 1: and and Naomi and he was there calling it radical 597 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: self care into me. I'm like, they not only do 598 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 1: they get it, they're they're so open with their expression 599 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: of of being their best selves. So I find it 600 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:22,799 Speaker 1: to be amazing with with the newer artists today. Yeah, 601 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:27,240 Speaker 1: I definitely think we're UM becoming a more conclusive community 602 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 1: though by you know, steps forward and steps back with 603 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: the kinds of truths that people are able to express 604 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 1: in their music UM, whereas previous generations UM may have had, 605 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 1: you know, struggles with coherently tackling and deeply tackling things 606 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: like depression or homosexuality and things like that. UM for sure. 607 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 1: But it's interesting you bring up self care. It would 608 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 1: be really interested to hear your perspective as a public 609 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 1: health practitioner about UM. Self care is becoming increasingly mainstream 610 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 1: and I think at times opted by UM corporate like 611 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 1: corporate forces, just like, oh, self care is buying this 612 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: bath bomb, or you have to take this expensive ski 613 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 1: trip to Aspen, UM and things like that. So where 614 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: do you see self care fitting into your practice or 615 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 1: you know, what you try to instill in your UM 616 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 1: in the populations you work with, and what do you 617 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 1: think some of the barriers that people face UM that 618 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,880 Speaker 1: you work with as well. UM. I would say I 619 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,800 Speaker 1: think it's it's so important in it. And like I 620 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 1: was facilitating my first first conference, Um, I think back 621 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,840 Speaker 1: in September, and I went around the room and I 622 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 1: asked people about self care, and one person gave the 623 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:48,239 Speaker 1: most honest answer. She was like, I'm still trying to 624 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,239 Speaker 1: figure it out and get it. I don't really understand 625 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,800 Speaker 1: it yet, I know what I'm supposed to say. And 626 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,279 Speaker 1: to me, that was just so powerful because I'm like, 627 00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,399 Speaker 1: it has been become this cliche thing, so I'm trying 628 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 1: to take the cliche away from it. It's one of 629 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,799 Speaker 1: the things that we discussed in our meetings all the time, 630 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 1: and and and now I just say with my team, 631 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,800 Speaker 1: are you doing what you said you were going to 632 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,239 Speaker 1: do to take care of yourself? So that's kind of like, 633 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 1: you know, how how I go about leading. In the 634 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 1: second part of your question again, um, I think the 635 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:23,920 Speaker 1: second part of barriers that people face, I think you 636 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 1: started to touch on that where you counter clients or 637 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 1: populations you work with that people just don't even know 638 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,359 Speaker 1: how to begin to confront that question of what they 639 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 1: need and how they get get there. And and I 640 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 1: agree with that because when you um the barriers for 641 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 1: like the youth that I serve would be you know, 642 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:49,919 Speaker 1: internet connectivity could help self care, but I don't live 643 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 1: in an area that has WiFi, nor can I afford it, 644 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,800 Speaker 1: So we say these self care things. But music is 645 00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,400 Speaker 1: my thing. So this is how I felt sooth I 646 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,960 Speaker 1: listened to music. Well, these are some of the barriers 647 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 1: and folks that you know, young youth, did I serve 648 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 1: their their face with when they tell me demante this 649 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 1: is they give me the reel. So that allows me 650 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,920 Speaker 1: to do what we can to try to help, like 651 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 1: you know, not for example, I think it was recently released, 652 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 1: like Oprah donated, um, I forget the exact dollar, and 653 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,480 Speaker 1: I think twenty dollars or something to our organization just 654 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 1: to make sure you've had access to things like WiFi 655 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:36,400 Speaker 1: throughout the pandemic. Yeah. Wow, I mean that's so interesting 656 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 1: the ways that we think about, particularly the issue of 657 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 1: internet access that's impacting education, ability for people and get jobs. 658 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:45,960 Speaker 1: But I didn't even think about the fact that, like 659 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,759 Speaker 1: I probably probably know about self care because of the 660 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 1: Internet of seeing tweets about it or seeing something on Instagram, 661 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,759 Speaker 1: let alone like being able to get on Spotify and 662 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,879 Speaker 1: listen to my favorite music on a walk or something 663 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 1: like that as a way to um to undertake self 664 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:03,759 Speaker 1: care and the ways that that could serve as a 665 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:08,480 Speaker 1: as a barrier. Also absolutely, because there's all these meditation 666 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,240 Speaker 1: apps and things. Yeah. Yeah, I listened to like bird 667 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,560 Speaker 1: sounds when I go to sleep at night because I 668 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 1: have wife thought in the house. You know, stuff like 669 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:21,320 Speaker 1: that for sure. Um. So getting back to you know, 670 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:26,439 Speaker 1: public health, particularly the WHO definition we discussed earlier. Talking 671 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 1: about public health, it's the organized efforts of society, which 672 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,480 Speaker 1: to me, it sounds like they're talking about collaboration in 673 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,759 Speaker 1: the sense and if you think, for example, um um, 674 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 1: an example that I think is readily accessible to all 675 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 1: of us. During the pandemic we talked about early on 676 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 1: flattening the curve by wearing masks, social distancing and the like. 677 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,840 Speaker 1: They were meant to be collaborative efforts like I protect 678 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,200 Speaker 1: you and you protect me, but we seem to struggle 679 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 1: with that as a society. So can you talk to 680 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,000 Speaker 1: us about the power of collaboration both in public health 681 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 1: and in community service more broadly? Yeah, because into me, 682 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,359 Speaker 1: they go hand in hand. That's a you know, when 683 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:04,920 Speaker 1: we're talking about different communities making different decisions for their society, 684 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,920 Speaker 1: which helped, you know, help them flatten the curve faster 685 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:13,239 Speaker 1: than a country such as the United States. Meanwhile, there 686 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,000 Speaker 1: was a lot of back and forth with you know 687 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,839 Speaker 1: a lot of people that made big decisions about how 688 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,799 Speaker 1: do we collaborate. So, you know, I just think it's 689 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:26,720 Speaker 1: it's just so important that like collaboration is everything because 690 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,759 Speaker 1: we have like we were talking about evidence space practices, right, 691 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:35,560 Speaker 1: but if you're not really working with communities that need 692 00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:41,920 Speaker 1: these things met, how evidence space is that research? So 693 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 1: to help society get better. You know, I understand that 694 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,920 Speaker 1: researchers make the big books, and you know, other folks 695 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:54,760 Speaker 1: that fall under this epidemiologist and all and things like that. However, 696 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,040 Speaker 1: the people in the communities in which we are trying 697 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,560 Speaker 1: to serve are also just as important. So if we 698 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:07,840 Speaker 1: don't collaborate, then we'll continue to have this power struggle 699 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:12,399 Speaker 1: and this authoritative view on public health. And it's like, yeah, 700 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,839 Speaker 1: I understand, you're smart, but let me teach you how 701 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,600 Speaker 1: my people roll. For example, I mean, being black and 702 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,680 Speaker 1: so many things that I ate growing up that like 703 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 1: and now, like I eat a primary primarily plant based diet, 704 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,440 Speaker 1: and it's like that was a cultural shift for my family. 705 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 1: So I feel like collaboration is like the number one 706 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:37,919 Speaker 1: thing that will help really advance this this field. Yeah, 707 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,840 Speaker 1: and I I love that you brought up, you know, 708 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:45,279 Speaker 1: collaboration with communities, between scientists and researchers and like the 709 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,880 Speaker 1: folks living in you know, like living the impacts of 710 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,680 Speaker 1: public policy and the impacts of organized efforts of society 711 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,160 Speaker 1: to advanced health um particularly resonates in my own experience 712 00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,239 Speaker 1: as a scholar that you know, I'm out here as 713 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,800 Speaker 1: community organizer and workingmmunity center, phone cook apps, all this stuff. 714 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:03,880 Speaker 1: And as a pH d student, I have a lot 715 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,000 Speaker 1: of my colleagues that want to do community based research 716 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,400 Speaker 1: but just don't have the connections. So they come to 717 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:10,880 Speaker 1: be like, oh, how do we get in, Like how 718 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,400 Speaker 1: do we recruit people to do this or that study? 719 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:18,880 Speaker 1: But there's such resistance, particularly in you know, African American communities, 720 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,640 Speaker 1: because of the way that science has been sort of 721 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,120 Speaker 1: like harvested from these communities without anything given back, like oh, 722 00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,560 Speaker 1: we got this data or you know, you look at 723 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,439 Speaker 1: even an example like the story of like Henrietta Lacks, 724 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,560 Speaker 1: where like ourselves were just taken and use for research 725 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:36,440 Speaker 1: and you know, without her permission, etcetera, etcetera. All all 726 00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,880 Speaker 1: this history of science sort of being a very extractive 727 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,080 Speaker 1: and exploitative People don't trust you when you show up 728 00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 1: to say, hey, we you know, we're trying to we're 729 00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,120 Speaker 1: trying to do the study or that study. Um, do 730 00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,200 Speaker 1: you think the field of public health is reckoning with 731 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:55,239 Speaker 1: this adequately at this point in time? Honestly, I feel 732 00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,640 Speaker 1: like it's too early to to say. I know, like 733 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:02,920 Speaker 1: back in you know, Wisconsin, you know here the Public 734 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 1: Health Association day declared racism of public health crisis. Um. 735 00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:13,000 Speaker 1: You know, however, it just seems it's so tough to 736 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,680 Speaker 1: say because it's like, well, we need more public health 737 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:21,000 Speaker 1: practitioners that look like us. So I think, um, you know, 738 00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,400 Speaker 1: I think the jury is out on that because you know, 739 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,120 Speaker 1: through you know, throughout the last two years, how many 740 00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,759 Speaker 1: times have we heard folks response just they just say 741 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,920 Speaker 1: to ski. But I'm like, I'm like, yeah, but I 742 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:39,480 Speaker 1: know people that look like us and that are researchers. Now, yeah, 743 00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,320 Speaker 1: I've heard oftentimes that like the visibility of scientists that 744 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,880 Speaker 1: are doing this this work could be helpful in in 745 00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:50,360 Speaker 1: spashing some of that stigma. Um, but the jury is 746 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,640 Speaker 1: still loud. I think those relationships take a really long 747 00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,400 Speaker 1: time to form, and those and that history takes a 748 00:43:55,440 --> 00:44:00,320 Speaker 1: long time to absolve, um, or to be absolved. So hopefully, 749 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,600 Speaker 1: hopefully we'll see you know, if these changes are happening 750 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,279 Speaker 1: and not in this in this particular field that I 751 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,759 Speaker 1: think holds a lot of power. Um. I should have 752 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:11,759 Speaker 1: asked you this at the beginning, but perhaps I will 753 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,080 Speaker 1: now ask you this to close out. Um, how did 754 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,080 Speaker 1: you get into public health in the first place. I 755 00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,960 Speaker 1: think I just kind of fell into it. Um, you 756 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,640 Speaker 1: know my mental health guy love mental health. Excuse me, 757 00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,160 Speaker 1: but um. But then I was like I was working 758 00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,759 Speaker 1: with youth, working with mental health, and but then it 759 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,440 Speaker 1: was like there was a disconnect. And part of the 760 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,560 Speaker 1: disconnect was therapist didn't look like the kids that we served. 761 00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:44,640 Speaker 1: And as I got promoted the young men that I 762 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,120 Speaker 1: work with, I started to see less and less of 763 00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,200 Speaker 1: an impact. But I thought, well, if I can get promoted, 764 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,520 Speaker 1: I can help more young men that look like me. 765 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:59,440 Speaker 1: So long story short, I ended up saying that you know, 766 00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,839 Speaker 1: it's out to be something bigger. So I ended up 767 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,880 Speaker 1: I've taken like I'm my degrees on hold right now. 768 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:11,200 Speaker 1: But I'm I've taken like six seven MPH classes and 769 00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,239 Speaker 1: essentially that's that's what our society needs and not just 770 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,520 Speaker 1: so happened to be overseeing this program where I got 771 00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,120 Speaker 1: a promotion and I now oversee this program for you 772 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,239 Speaker 1: to age out, And I just feel like it was 773 00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,160 Speaker 1: like a destiny kind of thing because you know, these 774 00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,480 Speaker 1: social determinative health I work with them every day with 775 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,440 Speaker 1: one of the most vulnerable populations, you know, in my 776 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:39,799 Speaker 1: in my city. M hm. Um. Earlier, you said something 777 00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,080 Speaker 1: I thought was interesting, you love mental health, which I 778 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:43,920 Speaker 1: think is like sort of I mean makes sense who 779 00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,040 Speaker 1: who was? Mental health is way important? But how did 780 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,920 Speaker 1: you get to that point of loving mental health? Um? 781 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:53,840 Speaker 1: I think it became with UM. So, like one of 782 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,640 Speaker 1: the things that I experienced is I was going to 783 00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,719 Speaker 1: UM school for Human Resources and I was working as 784 00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,480 Speaker 1: a recruiter and I talked about this on like one 785 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,319 Speaker 1: of my first podcast, but like, I didn't like how 786 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,880 Speaker 1: I was being treated by cops when I was driving 787 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,640 Speaker 1: out to the suburb. So I literally switched my major 788 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:18,879 Speaker 1: from human resources to human services management. And and when 789 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,560 Speaker 1: I started when I got my degree, I got my 790 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:26,080 Speaker 1: first drop as a care coordinator for an entity call 791 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,680 Speaker 1: to wrap around Milwaukee, and it was just like I 792 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:33,040 Speaker 1: was able to help young people make better outcomes and 793 00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:37,960 Speaker 1: normalize these different feelings in these different emotions. You know. 794 00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:41,120 Speaker 1: Now it's kind of like it's more publicly acceptable, But 795 00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,920 Speaker 1: back when I started in like two thousand and eight, 796 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,560 Speaker 1: not many black men in the community we're talking, we're 797 00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,520 Speaker 1: even talking about mental health. So I think that's what 798 00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:52,759 Speaker 1: made me fall in love with it because I'm like, well, 799 00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,960 Speaker 1: if I can be one of the people in my 800 00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,400 Speaker 1: city talking about this and trying to do right by 801 00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:02,160 Speaker 1: my community, like I mean, it's it resonated with me 802 00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,040 Speaker 1: because I feel like I'm one of those people that 803 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,640 Speaker 1: you know, I try to normalize, like things like therapy. 804 00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,440 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. We had a recent episode on mental health 805 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,560 Speaker 1: and how it's addressed in hip hop, and we discussed 806 00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,120 Speaker 1: some of the structural barriers to accessing mental health support. 807 00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,800 Speaker 1: You know, our system of insurance and shortage of doctors, 808 00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,200 Speaker 1: you know, therapists most up color, but just in the 809 00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,640 Speaker 1: field for broadly because of it's just not the most 810 00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,799 Speaker 1: lucrative kind of doctor you can be. For um, where 811 00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:31,840 Speaker 1: do you think some of the other what do you 812 00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,040 Speaker 1: think are some of the other barriers to accessing mental 813 00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,759 Speaker 1: health support, including cultural stigmas in the community. Where does 814 00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,759 Speaker 1: all that come from? Yeah, I think it's a lot 815 00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:44,000 Speaker 1: of a lot of the issue with the barriers is 816 00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:49,240 Speaker 1: just because you know, again, can I trust this person 817 00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,799 Speaker 1: who's so supposedly an expert. Yeah, that's something I don't 818 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,120 Speaker 1: think we got to but yeah, just trusting is like 819 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,560 Speaker 1: really so you know, and I think, you know, if 820 00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,200 Speaker 1: you look at the stats, like the last time I looked, 821 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:07,760 Speaker 1: African American people seek therapy like maybe like one third 822 00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,799 Speaker 1: of the amount of folks that are white. And it's 823 00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,759 Speaker 1: just because culturally we've just been raised to tough it 824 00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:19,239 Speaker 1: out or pray pray through it, not not knowing that 825 00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,239 Speaker 1: there could have been some some schizophrenia and play, which 826 00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,200 Speaker 1: is why Uncle so and so behave that way. So 827 00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,560 Speaker 1: I think it's really really opening up the eyes to uh, 828 00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,719 Speaker 1: you know us as an African American community, so we 829 00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:36,680 Speaker 1: can be kind too, take that healing another step for sure. Yeah, 830 00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,520 Speaker 1: that trust is really important and like hard to build, 831 00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,760 Speaker 1: um for sure. And it's in the distrust is warranted 832 00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,920 Speaker 1: again based on just the history of of health and 833 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,560 Speaker 1: science and black people in this country. Um, and yeah, 834 00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,880 Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, we do have this culture and this 835 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,520 Speaker 1: something we also somehow didn't touch on in that episode. 836 00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,279 Speaker 1: If it's like being hard, it's value. It's being really 837 00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,880 Speaker 1: tough and being able to weather it all um is 838 00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,840 Speaker 1: is val valorized. And I think that's that also extends 839 00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,000 Speaker 1: to broader culture as well. I mean, I think just 840 00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,400 Speaker 1: like a capitalist society, you're supposed to just work and 841 00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:15,680 Speaker 1: work and expend yourself limitlessly, um just because that's what 842 00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:20,280 Speaker 1: we're expected to do, but particularly so in black communities, 843 00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,000 Speaker 1: that then gives rise I guess to you know, gun violence, 844 00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,880 Speaker 1: organized crime, interpersonal you know, in domestic violence, things like that, 845 00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:32,239 Speaker 1: which themselves are additional um public health issues. People aren't 846 00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,279 Speaker 1: showing up at the yard with gunshot wounds or you know, 847 00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:37,879 Speaker 1: dealing with toxic stress from living in a in an 848 00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,879 Speaker 1: abusive household, things like that. Yeah, And I think it's 849 00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:43,440 Speaker 1: it's some of those. It's one of those things that 850 00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,600 Speaker 1: like part of my you know, one of my roles 851 00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,840 Speaker 1: is I used to have to go to court because 852 00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,120 Speaker 1: I work with young men that were judy kid. You know, 853 00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:56,360 Speaker 1: something happened and they got charged. But then convincing the 854 00:49:56,560 --> 00:50:01,040 Speaker 1: judges that we're making decisions that keep feeding this pipeline 855 00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:05,000 Speaker 1: to prison was an uphill battle because going in front 856 00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,760 Speaker 1: of the judge saying no, it's actually because of this diagnosis, 857 00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,719 Speaker 1: these are some behaviors that aligned with that. However, with 858 00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,879 Speaker 1: the support of services, we can help this young black 859 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,400 Speaker 1: man as in like instead of you sending him away 860 00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,600 Speaker 1: exactly exactly, Well, it's all the questions I had. Is 861 00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:26,239 Speaker 1: there anything else that we didn't touch on that you 862 00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,879 Speaker 1: want to talk about? No, I just I just really 863 00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:34,080 Speaker 1: appreciate um the collaboration, just in in in the spirit 864 00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,560 Speaker 1: of it, I mean, being able to kind of catch 865 00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,799 Speaker 1: you doing your thing when you presented, you know, at 866 00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:44,279 Speaker 1: a someone on poverty in Milwaukee. You know that right there, 867 00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:48,120 Speaker 1: just saying I'm like, wow it is It's a good 868 00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:52,880 Speaker 1: feeling to see that there are other people fighting this 869 00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,560 Speaker 1: good fight. So, you know, just I I appreciate you 870 00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,359 Speaker 1: and extending that hand in collaboration because if we can 871 00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,440 Speaker 1: continue in form each other, we can help our communities 872 00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:06,279 Speaker 1: even more. Amen. Amen to that. Well, thank you so 873 00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,440 Speaker 1: much for being here. Dsmante. Where can we find you 874 00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,760 Speaker 1: and learn more about your work in their and their media? 875 00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:16,200 Speaker 1: Absolutely so you can find me. Just adult public health podcast. Um, 876 00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,440 Speaker 1: pretty much on all social media platforms. That's where you 877 00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,000 Speaker 1: can learn about what I'm doing and how I want 878 00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:25,120 Speaker 1: to amplify the voices of public health practitioners. So you 879 00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,680 Speaker 1: can definitely find me there. Um you can actually you know, 880 00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:32,480 Speaker 1: listen to the podcast and and provide feedback and you know, 881 00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,480 Speaker 1: let's just keep this thing going and helping our communities 882 00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,759 Speaker 1: become better and better. Amazing. Thank you so much, man, 883 00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:52,480 Speaker 1: No problem. Hey, we are back. We are back, and 884 00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:54,760 Speaker 1: we are closing it out today with a little preview 885 00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,520 Speaker 1: of things to come. Next week, we're gonna be talking 886 00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:01,600 Speaker 1: about Dick Gregory mac who's the Greig Gury. I I 887 00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,480 Speaker 1: know him because he was like a vegetarian activist, but 888 00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,480 Speaker 1: I didn't realize he had a very storied history otherwise. 889 00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:11,719 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Dick Gregory is a famous African American comedian, 890 00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:17,040 Speaker 1: political activists. He even ran for office a couple of times. 891 00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:18,799 Speaker 1: I think he ran for president, like I think back 892 00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,600 Speaker 1: in the sixties and shop like that. So we're talking 893 00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,400 Speaker 1: a little bit about that. Yeah, we're we're chat about him. 894 00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,359 Speaker 1: Uh don't we have an interview coming up with Yeah, 895 00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,879 Speaker 1: so um soon we're gonna have on my esteemed tell 896 00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,719 Speaker 1: me Aaron Thorpe Um, who was a brilliant writer and 897 00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,840 Speaker 1: political thinker. UM, gonna talk to us about retroism and 898 00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:43,480 Speaker 1: the sense of futurelessness that drives this like nostalgia, UM 899 00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:48,880 Speaker 1: trend with media, with fashion, etcetera. The sense that like 900 00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,239 Speaker 1: millennials and gen z feel like we don't have a 901 00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,960 Speaker 1: fucking future. So we reached back in time to like, 902 00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,880 Speaker 1: you know, kick the nineteen eighties looking T shirt or 903 00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,640 Speaker 1: like watch Stranger Things and things like that, because we 904 00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,759 Speaker 1: don't believe there's anything ahead of us. So we're gonna 905 00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:03,440 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about that and it's and what 906 00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,560 Speaker 1: it means for hip hop UM as well coming out 907 00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:12,480 Speaker 1: very excited for that. So I checked Twitter and found 908 00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:17,560 Speaker 1: that across the state of Georgia, progressive swept conservative incumbents 909 00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:21,920 Speaker 1: out there seats in mass and so, in preparation for 910 00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,799 Speaker 1: discussing that next week, I've got to break it off 911 00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:29,760 Speaker 1: a little some right now. That motherfucker's thought that Georgia 912 00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,439 Speaker 1: was Virginia Dania. And that is why I've never cared 913 00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,560 Speaker 1: for your opinion in the way, since we'd be winning 914 00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,880 Speaker 1: when the people who have held the power lookout. But 915 00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,600 Speaker 1: the Renchester are reaching themselves and selved in our communities. 916 00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:41,480 Speaker 1: But who would think that we let them renew the 917 00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,560 Speaker 1: seas instead of the electrics and fresh seat out the 918 00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,400 Speaker 1: junior League. If you believe in, but in organize and 919 00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,000 Speaker 1: do what dutifully, then you can leave. That's the lesson 920 00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:54,520 Speaker 1: from Tuesday Leaves. I'm Lingua, frank Gun. We are waiting 921 00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:58,960 Speaker 1: on reparations. Listen to Waiting on Reparations on the I 922 00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,080 Speaker 1: Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your 923 00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:02,600 Speaker 1: podcasts