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Speaker 1: listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. It's our

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Speaker 1: two and a Tuesday. Tom Brady's around the corner. Welcome in.

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Speaker 1: We're live in LA. It's the Herd. You know, I

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Speaker 1: like going to the Super Bowl when Fox has it

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun. But I saw somebody said the

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Speaker 1: other day, Megan Rapino said, you know, sports is about inclusion,

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Speaker 1: and I think sports is mostly about competition. If it

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Speaker 1: was inclusion, people wouldn't get cut in high school, college

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Speaker 1: and pro sports, right right. Inclusion's great, but the bottom

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Speaker 1: line of sports is standing's first last cut day. I

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Speaker 1: always think that about the super Bowl. We're trying so

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Speaker 1: hard to get the super Bowl in all these different locations.

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Speaker 1: Put it in Miami. Where in America are you guaranteed

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Speaker 1: to get usually. Now, I know it's snowing in Florida

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Speaker 1: this week, but in my lifetime, where is the weather

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Speaker 1: good in February? It's not California. LA's second, Arizona's kind

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Speaker 1: of second ish Miami. I am for super Bowls in

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Speaker 1: one place, Santa Clara. Nobody in San Francisco for goes.

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Speaker 1: What do you want to do to have lunch today?

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Speaker 1: Where you want to go? Santa Clara.

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Speaker 2: To me?

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Speaker 1: Where? Like the Grammys are held in one spot, Marty

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Speaker 1: Grass held in one space. They dropped the ball in

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Speaker 1: Times Square. Why don't we have to move super Bowls

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Speaker 1: to multiple locations? You know these owners they want they

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Speaker 1: want the action in their hometown. I went to a

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Speaker 1: super Bowl in Jacksonville. Nothing against jackson One hotel. They

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Speaker 1: had to bring in cruise ships for rooms. They had

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Speaker 1: such a shortage of taxis in Jacksonville. These are great people.

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Speaker 1: They tried so hard. They had such a shortage on taxis.

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Speaker 1: I was with a producer, Chad, You sat in Valet

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Speaker 1: waiting for it. That there was no uber back then,

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Speaker 1: were calling on local citizens to help. At one point.

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Speaker 1: and there was like a surgeon gloves and rope, and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, that's Buffalo Bill. Silence of the lambs, Like

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Speaker 1: I can't get in the van. Like Jacksonville's a great town,

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Speaker 1: should not host super Bowls, right, Like in Santa Clara.

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Speaker 1: Nothing against Santa Clara, but it's like nobody in San

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Speaker 1: place for the beach. It's international, it's fun, it's an

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Speaker 1: NFL city. The weather's good. Yeah, there's places to hang

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Speaker 1: out for you know, and just enough places for players

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Speaker 1: to get into trouble. Hot people everywhere. Do you remember

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Speaker 3: It snowed significantly, like two thousand and five ish.

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Speaker 1: All the parties had to be indoors. And Michigan's amazing

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Speaker 1: and Detroit's great. They've read done in Downers not yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's what it is. So we were

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Speaker 1: talking about Mike Rabel and so Robert Craft didn't get

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Speaker 1: How's Jerry Jones in and Robert Craft is not in?

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Speaker 1: He's got eleven Super Bowls. The New England Patriots had

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Speaker 1: the worst record in the NFL the previous five years

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Speaker 1: have the best record in the NFL. Multiple coaches, multiple quarterbacks, don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't so. Anyway, Mike Vrabel was sort of asked

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Speaker 4: Hottest name on the coaching cycle this time around.

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Speaker 2: Presumably you had your pick of job.

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Speaker 4: So personally professionally, what really separated this choice among the others. Well,

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Speaker 4: I think that the ability to have open dialogue with

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he said open dialogue with the owner. Mike McCarthy

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Speaker 6: What he's evolved into is the total package as a

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Speaker 6: head coach, leadership relationships, scheme, game management, roster building. I

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Speaker 6: just think when you're talking about the totality of what

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Speaker 6: I just think Mike has grown in to becoming the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I said this yesterday. Most ex players, you

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Speaker 1: You know, an next player of some renown that you

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Speaker 1: just I just you know, the NFL tends to be

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Speaker 1: starters do not plan in preseason free agents, draft picks.

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Speaker 1: This team will be fully baked by Thanksgiving, and they

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Speaker 1: are and with that, Tom Brady, he is joining us

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Speaker 1: now Live. Seven times super Bowl champ. So you were

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Speaker 1: known for preparation. I think a lot of things you

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Speaker 1: were known for, but more than any thing, almost a

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Speaker 2: Bit, we're unhealthy obsession.

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Speaker 1: One of those two. I'll be I'll be diplomatic, but

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Speaker 1: I would say this. Sean McVeigh admitted after losing to

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Speaker 1: the Belichick. He said, I over prepared. The game got

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Speaker 1: into my head. Is there a danger for like a

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Speaker 1: Drake may or a Sam Darnold figure, I mean, I'm

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Speaker 1: paralysis by analysis. You went to so many that you

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Speaker 7: First of all, I'm gonna apologize for the drill that's

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Speaker 7: They're literally doing I don't know, redoing the kitchen or something.

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Speaker 7: I'm trying to figure this out, and you know, I

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Speaker 7: I wasn't the type of player that could ever feel

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Speaker 7: I will say, some players don't do great with that.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: So some players are option.

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Speaker 7: Some players they just want to know what they need

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Speaker 7: I think a guy like ray lewis, a guy like

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Speaker 7: could there be a danger and over preparing? Maybe overthinking,

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Speaker 2: You feel like you.

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Speaker 7: Give your team the best chance of succeeding, which means

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Speaker 7: you have to prepare as if this is the only

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Speaker 7: reality is that's all that should be going on in

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Speaker 1: So this is a different way of asking this question.

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Speaker 1: Is that you know, you look at a lot of

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Speaker 1: film and there you have a pretty good understanding all

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Speaker 1: your years in the league. Man, we don't match up

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Speaker 1: pushed to the limit against Justin Tuckins Strahan, And you

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Speaker 1: know you kind of know going into games. Did you

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Speaker 1: ever go into a Super Bowl and think we have

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Speaker 1: better personnel? And if you did, did it affect the

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Speaker 1: way you played? Did you think, Okay, just Tom, let's

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Speaker 1: you did you ever battle that psychology of we are

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Speaker 1: going to wear this team down, we got better players.

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Speaker 7: I have a feeling you're referring to the two thousand

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Speaker 7: and seven undefeated Patriot team that lost to the Giants.

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Speaker 7: You're bringing up my worst football memory. I mean, there

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Speaker 2: Seven chances to get it right. In football, you got

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Speaker 1: So you had a line about us Donald, and I

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Speaker 1: So when you went into these Super Bowls, a majority

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Speaker 7: These teams are have played so well all season long.

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Speaker 1: So you you know, you always get asked about, you know,

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Speaker 1: the last week about Belichick but I defended Robert Kraft

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Speaker 1: this morning, and I said, the Patriots had the worst

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Speaker 1: record in the league for five years before Robert Kraft

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Speaker 1: owned them, from the day Heat bought them until today

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Speaker 1: they have the winningest record. And I said, wow, And

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Speaker 1: I said, go to the Yankees with George Steinbrenner thirty

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Speaker 1: seven years, won seven titles, had twenty three different managers,

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Speaker 1: sometimes Billy Martin for a third fourth time, different gms

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Speaker 1: and players. I said, we don't like to admit because

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Speaker 1: owners are billionaires and they've got their own plane and

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Speaker 1: the quarterback, the coach, the coordinator. I said, but most

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Speaker 1: business people I know, I work at Fox. Most of

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Speaker 1: us make seven to ten decisions a day, and the

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Speaker 1: smarter people make the right one ninety percent of the time.

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Speaker 1: And so I said, if you're going to be outraged

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Speaker 1: by Bill, and Bill will get in, then you should

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Speaker 1: be equally outraged that Robert Kraft, who has more Super

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Speaker 1: Bowls then the rest of the AFC East, the AFC South,

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Speaker 1: and the AFC North combined. You don't understand, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Washington changed owners Tom twenty four years, embarrassing. The next

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Speaker 1: year they're in the NFC Championship. I do not believe

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Speaker 1: in coincidence. So I want to just address the craft

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Speaker 1: part of this and that he was not necessarily a medaler.

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Speaker 1: But I don't believe it's a zany happenstance that you

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Speaker 1: guys literally coaching hires, draft development trades in season. Could

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Speaker 1: you give me a sense, I know you were close,

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Speaker 1: are close with Robert Kraft. I don't think. I think

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Speaker 1: fans just think it's all players and coaches. I'm like, no,

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Speaker 1: it's the same crappy teams drafting at the top every year.

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Speaker 1: It's the owner. It's not the coaches, just your thoughts

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Speaker 1: on the just.

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Speaker 7: A great point that you make, and it always starts

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Speaker 7: at the top and the leadership, the figurehead of the

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Speaker 7: organization is for the Patriots RKK, and it's you know,

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Speaker 7: being there for twenty years with him and watching the

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Speaker 7: nuances of that ownership role was something for me to

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Speaker 7: learn a lot from how he managed different personalities, how

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Speaker 7: he could fill in the gaps when he saw them

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Speaker 7: and where he saw them. He just did the most

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Speaker 7: unbelievable job. And it's seeing at firsthand of being a

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Speaker 7: part of it, recognizing the importance of that role in

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Speaker 7: a football organization. I believe that the owner is the

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Speaker 7: chief accountability officer, and you know, you hold everyone to

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Speaker 7: a standard and you expect everyone to live up to that,

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Speaker 7: and believing when the owners sitting in their team meeting room.

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Speaker 2: The players are sitting up a lot straighter.

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Speaker 7: The head coaches message is directed a lot more intently.

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Speaker 7: And RKK his office was at the stadium. He would

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Speaker 7: sit in there in team meeting rooms. He would be

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Speaker 7: out there on the practice field. He would be there

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Speaker 7: at every road game, shaking people's hands as they walked

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Speaker 7: off the field. There's an importance of football that that

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Speaker 7: in Patriot Football that RKK.

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Speaker 2: Does not take lightly.

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Speaker 7: And not only that, look at the contributions that he's

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Speaker 7: made to the league, to the NFL in general, to

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Speaker 7: negotiate media rights deals.

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Speaker 2: This is the most popular sport in America.

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Speaker 7: It's you know, the thousands of hours that he's spent

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Speaker 7: bringing this game to life for the fans.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't go unnoticed.

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Speaker 7: Certainly, now that I'm in TV, I understand the amount

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Speaker 7: of work it takes for Fox to actually broadcast the game.

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Speaker 7: The partnership that Fox and its partners have with the NFL,

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Speaker 7: it's extremely important that working relationship is so critical to

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Speaker 7: this game being you know, spread throughout our entire country

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Speaker 7: and bringing a lot of joy.

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Speaker 2: To people's lies.

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Speaker 7: So to me, it's not a matter just like Bill,

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Speaker 7: of if they're going to get in, it's when they're

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Speaker 7: going to get in, right. They're tremendous at what they've

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Speaker 7: done in the league, and maybe it's not trending so

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Speaker 7: well for ex patriots. Maybe I should be a little

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Speaker 7: concerns here, but you know, I think at some point

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Speaker 7: this thing is going to go in everybody's direction the

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Speaker 7: right way.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's It's what's interesting I want to cap it with

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Speaker 1: this is is that you know, Bill could come off

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Speaker 1: as very hardened because Bill is that that is his personality.

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Speaker 1: And do you think it hurt him for that twenty

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Speaker 1: four to forty eight hours when he didn't get in

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Speaker 1: just what you know of Bill.

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Speaker 7: I actually think in some ways it rallied a lot

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Speaker 7: of people who played for Bill and made sure they

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Speaker 7: reached out to him to express, you know, how much

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Speaker 7: they appreciated him, which I'm sure felt good for Bill,

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Speaker 7: And I said before, it doesn't look we all want

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Speaker 7: everything in life to happen on our time frame.

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Speaker 2: And our time schedule.

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Speaker 7: We want everything to go when we wanted to go,

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Speaker 7: But the reality is that's not life. I actually think

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Speaker 7: it's going to work in his favor when he does

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Speaker 7: get in, because there's gonna be a lot of people

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Speaker 7: that realize the impact that he made on their life

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Speaker 7: as a coach, as a player, and they're going to

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Speaker 7: be there to celebrate him. And this was another opportunity

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Speaker 7: for everybody to reach out to him and tell him

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Speaker 7: how much they appreciate him, even though he didn't get

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Speaker 7: exactly what he probably deserved here the first time around.

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Speaker 1: All right, Okay, well I didn't hear the construction. According

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Speaker 1: to you, it's it's quite a job video. I can't

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Speaker 1: hear it.

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Speaker 7: Geez all right, good yeah?

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Speaker 1: Great? Seniors though, is Tom see my brother?

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Speaker 2: Take care. I'll see you this, you know, Okay, bye, guys.

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Speaker 1: Bye bye.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think it's I said this about craft, is that

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Speaker 1: the Roger Goodell picks an owner. My understanding he picks

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Speaker 1: an owner, a singular owner to negotiate with the networks

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Speaker 1: Fox and you know and and all these networks. My

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Speaker 1: understanding it was Robert Kraft. If the commissioner has thirty

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Speaker 1: two billionaires that he can pick, and he picks Kraft,

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Speaker 1: pretty good indication that he trusts him. That's a big responsibility.

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Speaker 1: So here we go. It is an annual Super Bowl tradition.

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Speaker 1: It is a Wednesday. Here are the top ten players.

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Speaker 1: Number ten Milton Williams, New England outstanding. He has changed

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Speaker 1: their rush defense. Patriots now number one run defense in

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Speaker 1: the league. Darnold's going to have to throw. Highest graded

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Speaker 1: interior lineman in the entire postseason. Led all players with

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Speaker 1: eight pressures in the AFC Championship Game according to PFF

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Speaker 1: SO people thought he was a little overpriced. I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: worry about that. He is a game altering interior d

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Speaker 1: lineman has been great, worth every penny for the Patriots.

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Speaker 1: Number nine DeMarcus Lawrence Seattle. What a year for him.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't like he was a reclamation project, but he

581
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Speaker 1: just got on a team where he couldn't double him

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Speaker 1: as much. Led the Seahawks and force fumbles and fumble

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Speaker 1: recoveries and defensive touchdowns this year. Led the Seahawks in

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Speaker 1: sacks and pressures. It almost feels like its body has changed.

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Speaker 1: He feels twitch year, he feels quicker this year. A

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Speaker 1: good cat. Dallas let him go. You know everybody talks

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Speaker 1: about Micah DeMarcus Lawrence has just emerged as a big

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Speaker 1: time player. Eleventh highest credit edge defender this year. Number nine,

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Speaker 1: Number eight Mike Owhennu for a guard for the Patriots.

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00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: We had him on last week as well. He's their

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Speaker 1: best offensive lineman. He does not miss snaps and it's

592
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: not a great offensive line, so he was their only

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Speaker 1: returning starter. No sacks or pressures allowed all postseason, and

594
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Speaker 1: nobody else in that offensive line has played at his level.

595
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Speaker 1: Eighth highest graded guard this year, and I think he

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Speaker 1: really matters in this game because I do think New

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Speaker 1: England's tackles could struggle in pass pro, so I think

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Speaker 1: he's very important. Number seven Nick aman Worri, the rookie

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Speaker 1: from South Carolina. That dude is versatile. When you can

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Speaker 1: get a guy who can provide sacks and coverage, dude

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Speaker 1: to safety and opposing quarterbacks have a seventy two point

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Speaker 1: five passer rating against him. He is really something else.

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Speaker 1: A second round pick. I remember draft day when he

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Speaker 1: got picked, all the draft experts said that could be

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Speaker 1: the best player in the second round. He has been sensational.

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Speaker 1: Number seven, Number six Stefan Diggs. Play him in the slot,

607
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Speaker 1: play him on the sideline. Second highest graded player for

608
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Speaker 1: the Patriots. You know, people talk about his personalities, disruptive.

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00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: You know, here's what I know. Line him up anywhere

610
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Speaker 1: these wide receivers where you can line up on the

611
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Speaker 1: slot or the sideline, outstanding top ten receiver PFF slot

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Speaker 1: and on the outside Stefon Diggs, number six, number five,

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Speaker 1: Drake May. He's young, he'll get better, but he's really

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Speaker 1: good now. First quarterback to win three playoff games against

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Speaker 1: top five defenses in a single postseason. He's twenty three

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Speaker 1: years old. He had a couple of bad halfs, had

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Speaker 1: won against Pittsburgh early in the year, but again, this

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Speaker 1: team had so many free agents and so many rookies

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Speaker 1: playing key roles. Here's all I know. When the game's

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Speaker 1: on the line against Denver, they asked him to run

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Speaker 1: and him to make the big throw. That shows me

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Speaker 1: trust from coaches. They dialed his number in the biggest

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Speaker 1: spots in that Denver in Houston game. I can live

624
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Speaker 1: with some mistakes for a rookie quarterback. He's five, number four.

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Speaker 1: He's not a rookie year too. Sam Darnold thirty and

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Speaker 1: seven over the last two years. Like May, there times

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Speaker 1: he can be a little loose with a football, he'll

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Speaker 1: get it knocked out of his hands. Love his arm strength,

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Speaker 1: Love his toughness, love his coachability. You know, Sam played

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Speaker 1: nearly a perfect football game against the Rams defense, and

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Speaker 1: that is sand something. I put him at four. Number

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Speaker 1: three Kenneth Walker, just like he was at Michigan State.

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Speaker 1: He breaks tackles. Highest graded running back in the playoffs.

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00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: Now is he Christian McCaffrey in terms of versatility, No,

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Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey is one of the top three or four

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00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: running backs I've ever seen. But what he provides, I mean,

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00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: you go to that Ram game. What he provides he

638
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: makes people miss. This year second most misstackles force behind

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Speaker 1: Bijon Robinson. That is an additive player. Number two Devin Witherspoon,

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Speaker 1: the corner for the Seahawks. Let him entackles in the

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00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: Divisional round. Highest graded cornerback who could beat him once.

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00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: But it's there's an argument that's about his hard a

643
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: position to play in the league. He has been great

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00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: physical since he came out of Illinois. You know, again,

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Speaker 1: when you come in, they are going to test you

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Speaker 1: as a young corner. He gets tested a lot and

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Speaker 1: he is always up for it. I just love his mindset.

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00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: I love his toughness. He can tackle, he doesn't shy

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Speaker 1: away from contact. I love him as a player.

650
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Speaker 8: Number what a.

651
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: JSN route running hands. These young receivers now omar On

652
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,959
Speaker 1: Saint Brown JSN, the've got the route tree figured out.

653
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just there's nothing I don't like about him.

654
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: This year when Sam Darnold targeted, JSN hit one hundred

655
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: and twenty three passer rating. And you know, these young

656
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: receivers like a like a pook or a jsenter good

657
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: because teams are game planning to stop them and they

658
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 1: are still repeatedly open. So they're my top ten players.

659
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: It is six to four Seattle advantage. At number eleven.

660
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: I had Leonard Williams of the Seahawks, who had a

661
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: tremendous year. He has just been a stud forever. So

662
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: I've said this before. I think these teams are a

663
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: lot alike. I think the weakness of both is the

664
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Speaker 1: old line. I think the quarterbacks are aggressive that can

665
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 1: make mistakes. I like the running games for both, the

666
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: secondaries for both, and the defensive fronts for both, and

667
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: the coaches are magnificent. I think it's a very even

668
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: football game. I think it's twenty three to twenty. I've

669
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Speaker 1: said I'm going to go out and say New England

670
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: and I'm from the Pacific Northwest. Underdogs and lower seeds

671
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:53,439
Speaker 1: do very well in this game.

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Speaker 8: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

673
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 8: and noon Easter nin am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio

674
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,479
Speaker 8: FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

675
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Speaker 1: So it's his first interview of the day. So Christian

676
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:11,760
Speaker 1: McCaffrey comes in hot. He's ready to go. Nine years

677
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 1: five all pros. I've said this before. He's one of

678
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: the top three running backs I've ever seen, Walter Payton,

679
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: Barry Sanders and Christian. So you carried the ball. You

680
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: had four hundred and fifty touches this year. How many

681
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 1: days after the season ended did you wake up and feel, man,

682
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: I feel grabbing to go for a walk. I'm gonna

683
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: walk the dog. I don't even know I'm a football player.

684
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: How many days after the season did you feel you

685
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: rolled out of bed and it felt great?

686
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Speaker 5: Oh?

687
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,280
Speaker 2: Man, it's a good question. I think.

688
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 9: I was talking to Kyle Yuschek yesterday. We were at

689
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 9: the Pro Bowl, which was such a great experience, but

690
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 9: I hadn't done really anything since that or before that,

691
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 9: and so being able to move around a little bit

692
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 9: actually felt great. So I was happy about that. You

693
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 9: never know when you when you take a couple of

694
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 9: weeks off that first workout back, I don't know how

695
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 9: I'm gonna feel, but it was good to move around

696
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 9: and my body felt pretty good. So it made me

697
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 9: excited to start training this offseason.

698
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Speaker 1: So you face the Seahawks three times this year, so

699
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: we know. I mean, they've got a lot of dudes.

700
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Speaker 1: I mean on the corners, Nick Im and Wara, that's

701
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: the safety. The rookie is a tremendous rookie. So what

702
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 1: are the looks for you you? I mean they they

703
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: did a as good a job as shutting down you

704
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Speaker 1: as anybody in this sport has done since you entered

705
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: the league. What was their secret sauce against your offense?

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Speaker 9: Well, I think you know, when you play against a

707
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,240
Speaker 9: defense like that, you really can't make mistakes. You know,

708
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 9: you have to be very detailed and efficient stay on

709
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 9: the field, and they play such good team defense. They

710
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 9: swarm you know, and I think that to me is

711
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 9: the biggest testament to how good they are. It's not

712
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 9: just you know this scheme, but they have the players

713
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 9: to make the scheme come to life. Obviously you mentioned

714
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Speaker 9: all the end visual players that they have that are fantastic.

715
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Speaker 9: But you know, I always think the best defense is

716
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Speaker 9: that I've always faced played the best team defense. They

717
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 9: play together, they play as a unit. The pass rush

718
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 9: is linked up with the secondary. The linebackers flow hard,

719
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 9: and you know, can be downhill, they can play well

720
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 9: in coverage and you know, really makes a complete defense.

721
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Speaker 1: You know, you were teammates with Sam Darnold for a year,

722
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Speaker 1: and I love Donald as the guy. I loved him

723
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Speaker 1: at SC. I just think he's a guys guy. He's

724
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Speaker 1: a he's a pro athletes, pro athlete, he's a really

725
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: solid human being. He wasn't playing in San Francisco. That

726
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: it's really hard. You've always played to be a good

727
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: talented guy and sit and watch what was he like

728
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Speaker 1: as a teammate during that time.

729
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Speaker 9: Actually, Colin I was a teammate with him at Carolina too,

730
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Speaker 9: So I've had two I've had two stints with him,

731
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Speaker 9: and you know, I remember when people asked me about

732
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 9: Sam when I had first you know, I'd always known

733
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 9: him a little bit. But when I first met him

734
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Speaker 9: in Carolina, from the jump, I was like, this guy's

735
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 9: a dude. And the more and more you see him

736
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 9: at practice that you see the throws you make, you

737
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 9: understand why he's a top pick in the draft.

738
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Speaker 2: And then you're around him more.

739
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Speaker 9: And you're like, this is one of the best players

740
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Speaker 9: I've been around, period.

741
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: Wow.

742
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Speaker 9: And it's because of how talent talent, how talented his

743
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,439
Speaker 9: arm is. H He's he's way more athletic than people

744
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 9: give him credit for. And he's really good at taking

745
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 9: what's given to him and doing his job. And I

746
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 9: think so many times you see quarterbacks who start out

747
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 9: in bad situations and get the blame for it. And

748
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 9: he's somebody that I can't say enough good things about

749
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 9: he He shows up every day with an unbelievable attitude

750
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 9: whatever position he's in, never makes excuses, never complains about

751
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 9: you know, something that happened in NTV Frank Man. I mean,

752
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 9: he's he's gone through so much in this league that

753
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 9: a lot of people would have folded or would have

754
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 9: had to, you know, blame, blame whoever it might have

755
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 9: been that they felt was their fault. He never did that.

756
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 9: He showed up every day, kept working, you know, even

757
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 9: last year, taking you know, taking minutes so to a

758
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 9: fourteen win season and taking him to the playoffs, and

759
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 9: then doing it again this year and now playing in

760
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 9: the super Bowl. I think it's a testament to his resiliency,

761
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 9: the kind of guy he is and the player he is.

762
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 9: You know, if you're not a quarterback in this league,

763
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 9: that's good, and don't take a team to a super Bowl.

764
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Speaker 9: So I mean, he's one of my best friends and

765
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 9: also an incredible player.

766
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Speaker 1: Well you mentioned best friends. In fact, it was your

767
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: wedding in Rhode Island. I walked into the hotel and

768
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Speaker 1: there was all these Carolina Panthers and there was Greg Oldson,

769
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: Jonathan Stewart and uh, uh was that Matt Khalil was was?

770
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: I think he was? That Luke Keithley was saying ran

771
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: Khalil and then and then I saw Darnold later and

772
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: I saw a long snapper. So that's I remember that

773
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: moment that he was one of your guys. He was

774
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: one of the guys you roll with. You know, it's

775
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: interesting when I think New England and Seattle are a

776
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: little alike. Here's what I worry about Seattle. Josh McDaniels,

777
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: the OC has been in. This will be his tenth

778
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Seattle's a young team, as good as they are,

779
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: this is a new experience, overwhelmingly for this roster. So

780
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, go back you play it in

781
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty three Super Bowl, go back to your

782
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: first Super Bowl? Is it? Is it jarring? Is it overwhelming? Early?

783
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Speaker 9: You know, I think youth can be a crutch for

784
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 9: a team, but it can also be a superpower. Now,

785
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 9: if you've got a bunch of young, hungry, young guys

786
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 9: who play the right way and play extremely hard, that

787
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 9: can be a massive advantage on a big stage. And

788
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:37,959
Speaker 9: so I think, you know, each game has a life

789
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,919
Speaker 9: of its own. All the distractions are what they are.

790
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 2: You know.

791
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Speaker 9: I was lucky enough to be on a team that

792
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 9: had a bunch of guys who had already played in

793
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 9: a super Bowl. Obviously, Kyle's been to Super Bowls, and

794
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 9: so the advice throughout the week was how to control

795
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 9: some of those distractions and keep the mind on football.

796
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Speaker 2: And I thought our guys did a good job of that.

797
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 9: You know, it's once the game starts, it's football, you know,

798
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 9: and it's all about execution. You know, for me personally,

799
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 9: I felt like, I, you know, we manage those as

800
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 9: best as we could. Listen.

801
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Speaker 1: I know when you're on the sidelines, you're not watching

802
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: necessarily other offensive players. But JSN for Seattle is insane.

803
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,959
Speaker 1: I said this. He reminds me has a little Jerry

804
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: Rice to him, and in that he never slows down

805
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: into the break, out of the break. It's just one gear.

806
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: You have this ability like you cut and it's the

807
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 1: same speed. When you're on the sidelines and you're and

808
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,760
Speaker 1: you're watching JSN, what do you see?

809
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 2: What?

810
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: What do you look at and go, wow, that is

811
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 1: different than other guys.

812
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 9: Well, you're right, Yeah, I don't always watch other guys,

813
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 9: but I think when you're playing against somebody like that,

814
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 9: you can't help but watch him because he you know,

815
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 9: he's always making plays. I think he has everything you

816
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 9: would want. You know, he's fast, he strong, he's quick,

817
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 9: he's really good after the catch. He has great hands,

818
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 9: so even if he is covered, he's not uh, makes

819
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 9: great contested catches. But you're right, you know, to maintain

820
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 9: the same pad level in and out of routes is

821
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 9: very deceiving for corners and you know, he does as

822
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 9: good a job of anybody at that.

823
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what Brady said. He keeps the same pad level,

824
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: so he keeps you off balance. You don't really know

825
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: where he's going. Okay, by the way, you're this prebiotic soda.

826
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: I live on this stuff. This all the pop stuff

827
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Speaker 1: you're doing. So you tell my wife all the time,

828
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: and I got my family on this. How long have

829
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: you been working with them?

830
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Speaker 9: I just started working with him, but I've been drinking

831
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 9: it for a while now. I mean, I love the stuff.

832
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 9: It's it's a soda you don't have to feel bad

833
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 9: about drinking, you know.

834
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Speaker 2: I love it.

835
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Speaker 9: I absolutely love it. And now I've been with Aolipop now

836
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 9: for about seventeen minutes or whenever this started. But it

837
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 9: was one of those partnerships that I got really excited

838
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 9: about because I genuinely love the product. You know, it's

839
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 9: good for you. It's very low in sugar, high in fiber,

840
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 9: and something that I don't feel bad about putting my

841
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 9: name my name to it. All.

842
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,720
Speaker 1: Hey, a lot of people think I don't like rock Purdy.

843
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: It is not true. It's just that my partner here, Jason,

844
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: is so obnoxious and I'm a Donald guy because I

845
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: love Sam, so I don't want that spreading that I'm not.

846
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: I'm not a Rock Purtty guy. He's a quality quarterback.

847
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 1: If I didn't have this guy across from me telling

848
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: me he's better than Elway, I always feel like, you know,

849
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,399
Speaker 1: I have to like slow him down. But I will

850
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: say this about Rock Purdy. I think he genuinely loves

851
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: seeing his teammates succeed. You can see it in the

852
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 1: way he greets his teammates. Not all, not all pro

853
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: athletes are happy for other guys to succeed. Did you

854
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: initially did you know he was going to be this good?

855
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: This quick? When you mean seventh round guy Iowa State?

856
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 1: Did you see it?

857
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 9: I didn't. I'll be honest with you. I knew he

858
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 9: was going to be good. I didn't know he was

859
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 9: going to be this good. He's past every expectation of mine.

860
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 9: I've I've played with a lot of quarterbacks and he's

861
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,720
Speaker 9: one of those guys where every day he does stuff

862
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 9: that Now it's not a shocking because it's who he

863
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Speaker 9: is and he does it every day. But he's unbelievable, man,

864
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Speaker 9: he really is. I think I go back to when

865
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Speaker 9: I first got traded to the Niners. I was trying

866
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Speaker 9: to learn the plays as quick as possible, and he was.

867
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Speaker 9: He was the third string quarterback at the time, and

868
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Speaker 9: it was him who I.

869
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Speaker 2: Was going over the plays with.

870
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Speaker 9: We were doing walkthroughs and after hours, you know, trying

871
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Speaker 9: to get this stuff done, and you could see the

872
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Speaker 9: intensity and the urgency. And he wasn't just doing this

873
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Speaker 9: for me. He was doing this for him too, trying

874
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Speaker 9: to go through his reads, his progressions and so man,

875
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Speaker 9: he's had a chip on his shoulder.

876
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Speaker 2: I'm sure since he was a kid. He plays with it.

877
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 9: He plays with with with so much confidence and swagger,

878
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Speaker 9: but puts the work in. You know, he's calm and collected,

879
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 9: but he's a killer. And super can't say enough good

880
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,240
Speaker 9: things about him and pumped up that he's our quarterback.

881
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he is, I mean there is. He is

882
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: one of those guys that he is one of my

883
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: favorite quality. If he throws a pick, it does not

884
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: bother him. He just he has a short memory. He's

885
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,919
Speaker 1: a gamer like and some guys it bothers. It never

886
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: bothers him. I mean, listen, it's hard in this league.

887
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Speaker 1: You get fourteen possessions. You're playing a Seattle, You're gonna

888
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna make mistakes, You're gonna fumble, You're gonna do this.

889
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Speaker 1: And I I will say this, this guy has been

890
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Speaker 1: well coached. I don't know his parents, but they did

891
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Speaker 1: a good job because he is just a gamer. I'm

892
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Speaker 1: glad you like him. That helps I love him. I

893
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Speaker 1: love him Christian.

894
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Speaker 2: As I do you like him to.

895
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Speaker 1: I swear to God, I do. I swear Christian.

896
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Speaker 2: Good, good Senior, Good seeing you co. I appreciate it.

897
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Speaker 9: Man.

898
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Speaker 8: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

899
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Speaker 8: and noon Eastern non a em Pacific.

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Speaker 1: Thursday night is the night that I spend some time

901
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,439
Speaker 1: kind of deep diving on stuff. And all week long

902
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Speaker 1: I've said low scoring, I'm taking the points. I think

903
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Speaker 1: it's I think it's very twenty four to twenty one ish,

904
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Speaker 1: but there is a stat and a theme that I

905
00:47:56,200 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: can't get passed and it benefits Seattle. I want you

906
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Speaker 1: to think about this. In a division. Seattle was in

907
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Speaker 1: a division where they had to face Christian McCaffrey, the

908
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 1: best running back in the league, just pure talent, and

909
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan probably the best run game coach. They had

910
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Speaker 1: to face them three times. They also had to face

911
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Speaker 1: McVeigh Kyron Williams in the substantial rams run game three times.

912
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Speaker 1: So Seattle had six games against McVeigh and Shanahan in

913
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Speaker 1: those run games. Yet Seattle led the NFL the entire

914
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: league infuest yards per attempt. I can't get past that,

915
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: meaning Drake May is going to have to throw the

916
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Speaker 1: ball thirty five times or more, twenty three years old

917
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Speaker 1: for Super Bowl. Do you know what his career record

918
00:48:56,040 --> 00:49:00,919
Speaker 1: is when he attempts thirty five passes or more? It's

919
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: one in seven. Big Ben's for Super Bowl, Brady's for

920
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Mahomes first Super Bowl. I think Josh McDaniels,

921
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator for New England, and it's certainly something

922
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: he could do, is going to have to call a

923
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: perfect game. I believe there'll be a lot of screening,

924
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: a lot of eight ten screens. There has to be.

925
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 1: You cannot ask Drake May against this defense with that

926
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Speaker 1: old line of New England to drop back thirty seven times,

927
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: five seven step drops. They'll get crushed, They'll get rolled.

928
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: I can't get past that. Seattle facing elite run games,

929
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: regularly fewest yards per rush in the league. I think

930
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: New England needs a touchdown on defense and a perfect

931
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: game plan called by Josh McDaniel. Ryan Fitzpatrick likes New

932
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: England and I get his reasoning too.

933
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Speaker 2: Here he is.

934
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Speaker 5: Longer.

935
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Speaker 2: This thing is the game. They're going to shorten the game.

936
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Speaker 10: On offense, Romandre Stevenson is gonna have a ton of carries.

937
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Speaker 10: Josh McDaniels is the X factor in this game. He's

938
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Speaker 10: been in a bunch of these. Drake May has a

939
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Speaker 10: calmness about him. When Josh is calling the place, he's

940
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 10: gonna put him in good situations. I think the New

941
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Speaker 10: England Patriots are gonna win this game.

942
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Speaker 1: I think that reasoning is sound. But my question is,

943
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Speaker 1: you go back to the Denver game, pre Blizzard Patriots

944
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: could not move the ball. Pun punk, punt, punt. So

945
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Speaker 1: here is my Super Bowl pick, Seahawks versus Patriots. New

946
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: England's played eleven games this season against teams that eventually

947
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:48,240
Speaker 1: fired their coach, so it's not that they played average teams.

948
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Speaker 1: New England built up a lot of their credibility against

949
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Speaker 1: teams that were in chaos. Drake May in Game three

950
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: throws thirty five or more, and they don't want him to.

951
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 1: I think he's going to have to do. He's won

952
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 1: in seven and he is the most sacked quarterback in

953
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: the league including the playoffs. He's a first quarterback with

954
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: five plus giveaways and fifteen plus sacks ever taken in

955
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:17,879
Speaker 1: a single postseason, and I'd argue Seattles defense is better.

956
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: The Seahawks have led for one hundred and thirteen to

957
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 1: the one hundred and twenty minutes, so they'll probably take

958
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 1: a lead. Okay, the three games they lose in the

959
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: regular season, they lost them by a total of nine points,

960
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 1: one to the Rams. They're ten to zero best in

961
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: the league when committing one or fewer turnovers. That's the

962
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Speaker 1: secret here. Can New England force two? Their defense allows

963
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Speaker 1: three point eight yards per rush. I can't get past that.

964
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Speaker 1: Drake May is going to have to play a nearly

965
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Speaker 1: flawless game with one or no turnovers, and most of

966
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Speaker 1: it will have to be from deep in the pocket.

967
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Speaker 1: I don't think you can bubble screen Seattle to death.

968
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Speaker 1: I'm going to take the Seahawks to win close. I

969
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:15,240
Speaker 1: think it's low scoring. I think Seattle's capable of making

970
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:19,800
Speaker 1: mistakes a very young team twenty four to twenty Seattle

971
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Speaker 1: still like the Patriots plus the points and the under,

972
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Speaker 1: and I do think Seattle, the second youngest team in

973
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Speaker 1: the league, makes mistakes. Greg Cosell was on the show

974
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Speaker 1: yesterday and I just again Greg comes on Thursdays, and

975
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Speaker 1: I thought a lot about this. There's a reason I

976
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Speaker 1: put co Sell on the day before my blazing five picks.

977
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Speaker 1: He talked about Seattle's d against New England's offensive line.

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Speaker 5: They have tremendous versatility with their back end players, which

979
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 5: allows them to do multiple things from a coverage and

980
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 5: a pressure standpoint.

981
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Speaker 1: Do they feel they need to help Campbell?

982
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Speaker 5: How about Wilson, the rookie left guard, What do they

983
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 5: feel about him going up against perhaps Williams or at

984
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 5: times they even move Lawrence inside. So I think that

985
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Speaker 5: it'll be interesting to see how the Patriots handle that.

986
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Speaker 1: I just now jmck will make his pick in two hours,

987
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:21,320
Speaker 1: little less than two hours. But I went down last

988
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 1: night and I went and looked at Brady Mahomes and

989
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 1: Big Ben's first Super Bowl starts number one. The second

990
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Speaker 1: thing I looked at is Seattle's run defense is remarkably strong,

991
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: leads the NFL in a key category, yards per rush,

992
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 1: and that's facing the Rams multiple times and the Niners

993
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 1: multiple times. Those are very good run teams. New England's

994
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: not in that class. So again, I think New England's

995
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:50,399
Speaker 1: got some clear edges. Drake May is I don't think

996
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: one of them. I don't think that's one of their edges.

997
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:57,399
Speaker 1: I think Vrabel's Super Bowl experience, Josh McDaniel's Super Bowl

998
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: experience is a key here. So you're just your impressions

999
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: on some of the game. I can see, but I

1000
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: just can't get bast the speed and the explosiveness of

1001
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,280
Speaker 1: the Seahawks. J mac any response.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm with you, Colin.

1003
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 3: We are in lockstep almost universally on this game. I

1004
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 3: was just texting one of our staff members, was like, Hey,

1005
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Speaker 3: here's an amo to go back at Colin, and I'm like,

1006
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Speaker 3: I can't because I agree with them. I mean, look

1007
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,800
Speaker 3: at the three playoff games, right, the Patriots run offense.

1008
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 8: It was kind of working.

1009
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Speaker 1: Seventy yards or whatever.

1010
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Speaker 3: They were leading in the second half of all those games,

1011
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 3: so they just relied on the run game. They don't

1012
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 3: want to trust Drake may because they had the lead.

1013
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 3: I think Seattle gets the lead here and kind of

1014
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 3: chokes them out. I don't see this game being close.

1015
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Speaker 1: Conan, Wow, I will say this, you don't call that

1016
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Speaker 1: a lot